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MNF Breakdown, NBA Preview with Noah Eagle · Not So Fast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories.
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  Speaker 2: Of the day. Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz.
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  Speaker 3: Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Paps.
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  Speaker 2: It's NBA season. We are in the hardwood section of
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  Speaker 2: the DP Show.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we're calling it? The hardwood?
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  Speaker 2: I call this the basketball portion of the man cave.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite parts. And you know what
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  Speaker 2: that means, Paul.
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  Speaker 5: We're in the field house. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 5: a lot of stuff today. NBA, football, Monday Night Football.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, congratulations to the Tampa Rays. Not the
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  Speaker 5: Devil Rays. Once they shed that name, all they did
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  Speaker 5: was win. They're going to face the Brewers in the
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  Speaker 5: World Series. Someone's going to win their first title. But
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  Speaker 5: coming up later today... Our boy Noah Eagle in 15
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  Speaker 5: minutes of NBC Sports to get us ready for the
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  Speaker 5: entire NBA slate tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: The NBA is back today on NBC with a historic
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  Speaker 2: triple header to tip off the new season. Celtics, Pistons
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  Speaker 2: in the afternoon. Then defending champion Knicks raise a banner
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  Speaker 2: and host LeBron in the Sixers. Then the Spurs host
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  Speaker 2: OKC in what we're calling Game 8 of the Western
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  Speaker 2: Conference Finals. Watch it live on NBC and Peacock. Ball,
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  Speaker 2: it's all happening.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you're a Philly guy.
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  Speaker 5: I remember when LeBron went to Philly, you were texting
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  Speaker 5: me like 18 times, all your crew.
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  Speaker 4: Have you pumped the brakes? Are you more engaged?
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  Speaker 2: More engaged for the very simple reason that the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: have fallen apart. The Phillies are out of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: The Flyers look terrible. So now we're all about LeBron.
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  Speaker 2: Find that fountain of youth, baby.
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  Speaker 4: No pressure on LeBron. All right, let's get to it.
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  Speaker 5: Monday Night Football last night. We thought this would not
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  Speaker 5: be a great game, and I'm not sure it was
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  Speaker 5: a great game.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, you and I said, watch out for the Commanders.
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  Speaker 2: Had a little bit of a bounce back after that
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  Speaker 2: nightmare ending of the Giants game. And they made it close.
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  Speaker 2: It turned out to be a great game.
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  Speaker 5: But if you turn that game off at halftime, let's
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  Speaker 5: just say you turned it off. You'd be like, wow,
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  Speaker 5: the Niners are cruising. The Commanders have nothing. They can't
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  Speaker 5: figure anything out. But that comeback, was that based off
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  Speaker 5: a real comeback? I don't think so. I think that
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  Speaker 5: was where The Niners at halftime, they basically said, all right,
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  Speaker 5: this is an easy one. Let's start easing into it.
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  Speaker 5: like Usain Bolt pulling up at the 70-meter mark, and
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  Speaker 5: they let the commanders sneak back in.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. The Niners, like every other contender in the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: has serious problems. You saw it. To me, the moment
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  Speaker 2: I started to worry about the Diners is when Mike
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  Speaker 2: Evans caught a ball over the middle, ran out to
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  Speaker 2: the sideline, and had to stretch when he landed. That's
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  Speaker 2: like me playing basketball right now, Paul, having to stretch mid-game.
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  Speaker 5: He's wide receiver old. He didn't take a Zumba class
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of the thing. He just tried to
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  Speaker 5: play through an injury.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, but his... The second he went out of
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  Speaker 2: the game, they fell apart offensively. That's why I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was a real comeback. They've become really reliant on
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  Speaker 2: Mike Evans.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but Brock Purdy played well. Christian McCaffrey played well.
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  Speaker 4: Kittle.
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  Speaker 5: The defense played pretty well until that third, fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 5: I think that was one of those games where, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you're injured a little bit, but the commanders were a desperate,
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  Speaker 5: clawing animal at the end, embarrassed from last week, and
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  Speaker 5: they put up a good fight. I will say there
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  Speaker 5: was a moment in the game, I think there's about
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  Speaker 5: 4.15 left. Commanders are driving down. Pinheiro of the Niners
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  Speaker 5: misses that extra point. So it's only a six-point game.
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  Speaker 5: And you're like, this is closer than it should be.
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  Speaker 5: You even texted me like, this is way too close
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  Speaker 5: of a game for forcing us to stay up.
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  Speaker 4: But they had a touchdown run. The running back.
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy McNichols.
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  Speaker 5: McNichols, number 26. And an offensive penalty face-masked by their
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  Speaker 5: offensive lineman took that back. Do the Niners lose that
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  Speaker 5: game if that touchdown goes through?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, yes. I think they do because, again, the second
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  Speaker 2: Mike Evans got hurt, the offense fell apart. And the
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  Speaker 2: other thing, they had all these three and outs at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the game. What was a common ingredient
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  Speaker 2: in every three and out? They were not handing the
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  Speaker 2: ball to Christian McCaffrey. I don't know if they were
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  Speaker 2: trying to save him or he was a little run
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  Speaker 2: down or they just saw another advantage. Here's the problem
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  Speaker 2: with the Niners. Brock Purdy, it might be the MVP
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  Speaker 2: of the NFL. I will give you that. But he
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  Speaker 2: cannot do it alone. He needs circumstances to be right.
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  Speaker 2: He needs his receivers healthy. He needs that O-line to
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  Speaker 2: keep everybody off him. And he needs Christian McCaffrey to
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  Speaker 2: give him second and five. And that was not happening
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  Speaker 2: later in the game.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think the Mike Evans thing is a real situation.
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  Speaker 5: If he's not healthy for the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 5: he's kind of had a career rebirth. But if you
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  Speaker 5: look at that, Debo had a bit of a career rebirth.
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  Speaker 5: But Pearsall being out for the season, that's a bigger hit.
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  Speaker 5: But it's really on Mike Evans to stay healthy, or
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  Speaker 5: they don't have a chance.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. There are so many Niners that
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  Speaker 2: you need to stay healthy, and they are not staying healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Bosa's already hurt. Debo's out. They're an old team. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the Niners, if they're fully constituted, are incredibly talented. But, Paul,
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  Speaker 2: what makes you think that's going to happen?
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  Speaker 5: They've earned some wiggle room by being 5-0. They can
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  Speaker 5: afford to let a guy take a week off. They
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  Speaker 5: can afford a loss here and there. But they built up, math-wise,
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  Speaker 5: a playoff team.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. It's mid-October. The season starts after Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 2: What difference does that make? I'll be dead serious. We
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  Speaker 2: see this team right now at 6-0. Are we going
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  Speaker 2: to see the same roster come January?
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, maybe not the same roster, but there will
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  Speaker 5: be a point in the season. Let's say you get
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  Speaker 5: to week 16, week 17, where you can give some
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  Speaker 5: guys a week off where you say, maybe we don't
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  Speaker 5: get home field advantage. But we give Mike Evans a
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  Speaker 5: week off here then. Nick Bosa eases back.
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  Speaker 2: A little load management?
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, I would load management because you're ahead of the
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  Speaker 4: game on this season.
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  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, but you're not that far
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the game. And the season's so short. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't care how much you load manage these guys.
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  Speaker 2: They're all in their 30s. Trent Williams is the oldest
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  Speaker 2: guy there. And he somehow stays healthy at left tackle.
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  Speaker 2: And Kittle is coming off an ACL. There's just so
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  Speaker 2: many issues right now. McCaffrey's not a young running back.
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  Speaker 2: So if I had money on the Niners to win
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  Speaker 2: it all, I would feel good because I didn't expect
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  Speaker 2: them to be 6-0. But I would not double down
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  Speaker 2: on that. I think they are right in the mix,
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  Speaker 2: despite playing better than everyone else. I mean, honestly, look
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  Speaker 2: at the final score. This is a commander's team that
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  Speaker 2: lost Terry McLaurin halfway through. I don't even know who
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  Speaker 2: they're playing a running back. Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn
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  Speaker 2: are still having procedural problems. This is not a great
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  Speaker 2: commander's team, and it was in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to the commander's side of this.
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  Speaker 5: The commander's last week had that embarrassing loss versus the
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  Speaker 5: New York Giants in his time management, clock management. And
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  Speaker 5: in first half, it happened again. Jaden Daniels, who was
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  Speaker 5: a fourth down and two, he's rolling right. He throws
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  Speaker 5: it out of bounds. You're like, why wouldn't he give
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  Speaker 5: it to his guy to make a play, one of
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  Speaker 5: his crew to make a play? And it felt like
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  Speaker 5: same old commanders. We said on this show that the
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  Speaker 5: commanders don't, you know, if they could put, here's the play,
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  Speaker 5: fourth and two, rolling right, flag down, but you don't
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  Speaker 5: give anyone a chance to make a play, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to suppose that you don't know what's going on. It's
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  Speaker 5: fourth and two, whatever it may be. But if you're
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  Speaker 5: the commanders, you needed a statement win tonight to get
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  Speaker 5: everybody off your back. Did they do enough in the
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  Speaker 5: second half to cool the criticism of their franchise as
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  Speaker 5: a whole?
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  Speaker 2: Yes and no. I mean, listen, they were competitive. They
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  Speaker 2: play hard for Dan Quinn. But that fourth down play, there's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of tentacles. Actually, Dan Quinn talked
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  Speaker 2: about it after the game and tried to explain why
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  Speaker 2: he was caught on camera mouthing down. That was fourth down,
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  Speaker 2: but he at least said there was a reason.
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  Speaker 3: No, I definitely knew it was fourth down. We were
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  Speaker 3: going for it.
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  Speaker 6: And I think what you're referring to, I was probably saying, like,
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  Speaker 6: with the illegal shift, there's not a penalty to go
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  Speaker 6: for a field goal. Like it doesn't go like it's
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  Speaker 6: the turn on downs. Like I think somebody asked me,
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  Speaker 6: can we kick a field goal?
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  Speaker 2: So that's interesting. There was an illegal shift. That was fine.
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  Speaker 2: And I had the same thought. I'm like, does that
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  Speaker 2: play count? Because it almost felt like it was a non-play.
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  Speaker 5: I almost threw the BS flag there. And Dan Quinn,
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  Speaker 5: I think he was a lot of people have.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I thought he was trying to confuse us with semantics
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  Speaker 5: there in his explanation. I don't think he would admit it.
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  Speaker 5: If he didn't know his fourth down, I wouldn't, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that the lip readers out there seem
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  Speaker 5: to think he said it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the, He said, basically, they said, are they going
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  Speaker 2: to replay the down because there's a pre-snap penalty? He said, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's fourth down, so we're out of luck. The truth
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  Speaker 2: is they should have kicked the field goal because they
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  Speaker 2: had no play on that fourth and basically two. They
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  Speaker 2: were kind of aggressive on fourth down. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it made sense. They almost felt in the first half
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  Speaker 2: like desperate. We need to get back in this game.
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  Speaker 2: And then they start running ball in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: I like Dan Quinn personally, but I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: recovers from that. Do you expect him to be the
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  Speaker 2: coach next year?
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  Speaker 5: No, I think if it was the play at halftime,
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  Speaker 5: if halftime was the game and it went on to
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  Speaker 5: be a complete blowout, he may have been fired this afternoon.
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  Speaker 5: We were talking about that in the DP show. If
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  Speaker 5: you're going to pull the Band-Aid, pull the Band-Aid.
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  Speaker 2: For who, though? They have two very young coordinators.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you're just announcing that the job's open first. You're
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  Speaker 5: just letting the world know that this job is open first.
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  Speaker 5: You were embarrassed on national TV. Some owners do that.
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  Speaker 5: Look at the owner of the Colts the other day.
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  Speaker 5: She fired her GM because she got embarrassed on national TV.
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  Speaker 3: And that happens.
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  Speaker 2: But Josh Harris was talking to Dan Quinn before the game.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, he's smart. He doesn't have any assistant
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  Speaker 2: who can possibly take over in the wildest dreams. So
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  Speaker 2: that's one thing. but they respect Dan Quinn. They did
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  Speaker 2: get to the NFL game. I have a feeling symbolically
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  Speaker 2: they would have given him the season, but they're not
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  Speaker 2: a good team and they're injured too. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: going anywhere positive.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get to not so fast helmet stickers off last
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  Speaker 5: night's game.
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  Speaker 4: Pearl, you're going first. Who gets the helmet sticker?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going with Mike Evans just about how impactful he was.
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  Speaker 2: I know he got hurt, but he had three catches
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  Speaker 2: for 94 yards. He was the key to the game.
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  Speaker 2: When he went out, the Niners forgot how to play
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  Speaker 2: offense and He's just so good, and he's perfect for
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  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy because Brock Purdy likes guys who are big targets. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: anything within five yards of Mike Evans, he is catching.
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  Speaker 2: I think they give him a week off against Atlanta
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  Speaker 2: if they're smart.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then they have a bye because he's got Achilles tendonitis,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want that to be anything worse.
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  Speaker 5: All right, my helmet sticker goes to 49ers safety. Malik Mustafa,
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  Speaker 5: back-to-back plays late in the game. He drilled the running back.
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  Speaker 5: Wait till you see this play.
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  Speaker 4: There he is. He's from Wake Forest. He's a heck
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  Speaker 4: of a hitter. I'm going to give you my comp
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  Speaker 4: on this guy, but first of all, he just drills
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  Speaker 4: the running back on this play.
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  Speaker 2: Bingo.
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  Speaker 5: Unbelievable hit. That looked like Steve Atwater back in the day.
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  Speaker 5: Shoulder to shoulder. And then the next play, they're trying
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  Speaker 5: to make a, this could have been a touchdown. This
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  Speaker 5: could have been the game. He hit and poked the
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  Speaker 5: ball simultaneously, knocked him out of bounds. No go, saved
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  Speaker 5: a touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great.
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  Speaker 4: Who's my comp on him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, who do you got?
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  Speaker 5: Bob Sanders. Remember the safety from the Colts back in
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  Speaker 5: the day? He has a Bob Sanders vibe to him.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go Cam Chancellor.
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  Speaker 4: Not that big. I don't think he's that big.
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  Speaker 2: He's a little bigger than Bobby Sanders, but one thing
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  Speaker 2: about the Niners, they hit with their helmet every single time.
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  Speaker 2: Every single time. Fred Warner, they famously picked up a call,
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  Speaker 2: picked up a flag when it was clear helmet-to-helmet, then
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  Speaker 2: made a make-up call. The next play he came out
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  Speaker 2: and helmet-to-helmeted somebody. I wonder how the NFL is going
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  Speaker 2: to view that because I think there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: four or five fines coming out of that. The Niners
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  Speaker 2: are trying to say we're going to hit on every
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  Speaker 2: single play illegally and dare them.
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  Speaker 3: To call it.
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  Speaker 4: And Greenlaw is usually the leader of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Warner was using his helmet all game long.
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  Speaker 2: Mustafa also uses his helmet, but I don't really want
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  Speaker 2: to yuck their yums after a big win last night. Nice.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up next, not so fast. I totally
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: tear into the AP poll. I have major, major issues.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: And Paul weighs in again on Steve Young. You're going
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: to want to hear this. Not so fast. Every week
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: on Not So Fast, we do the Pub and Grub
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  Speaker 2: of the Week. This week, the big game, Ohio State
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: and Indiana. Paul, you're a Midwestern guy. What do you got?
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  Speaker 4: Bloomington, Indiana. Been there a bunch. We got a lot
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: of recommendations. I have a few of my own. Everyone
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: knows Nick's English Hut. When you're there, get the Stromboli Pearl.
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: You're a big Stromboli guy.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Back in the day. I love Stromboli.
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: Upstairs Pub.
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  Speaker 5: Check that out before and during and after the game.
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: Crazy Horse, I'm told, has a huge beer selection. Here's
• 11:12
  Speaker 5: the bonus tip from Not So Fast. Pork tenderloin sandwiches
• 11:16
  Speaker 5: in Central Indiana are They're huge. They're like manhole coverings.
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: They're gigantic.
• 11:21
  Speaker 4: There's a place down 446 south of town, The Cabin.
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: Go to The Cabin to get the best pork tenderloin sandwiches.
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: It's debatable. Find out.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait. Help me grow the week.
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: Back on Not So Fast, Paxton Perloff, NBC Sports. That's
• 11:40
  Speaker 5: Junior Caminero gone, as Dan Patrick would say back in
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  Speaker 5: the day. He's going to take his time getting around
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  Speaker 5: the base path.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he's no hurry.
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  Speaker 5: He has no curfew. That looked like a scene out
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  Speaker 5: of a movie. He's beating his chest, playing with the crowd.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't win the World Series here.
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  Speaker 4: Did he, on this hit?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he won the World Series. That's a
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  Speaker 4: long trot.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, the rule is if you criticize MLB
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  Speaker 2: players for celebrating or taking too long, then you sound old.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, because you're a hater.
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  Speaker 2: You're an old fogey. You're a hater.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The bat flip is now perfectly acceptable. The fact that
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  Speaker 2: the higher the bat flip, the better.
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  Speaker 5: So you're not telling Junior Caminero what to do. What
• 12:18
  Speaker 5: do you think Senior Caminero would think of that play?
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  Speaker 4: He's probably old school, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that the celebrating is too much personally,
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: but I'm not saying that out loud. I said it
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  Speaker 2: right now, but I don't really want to be the
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  Speaker 2: guy who's criticizing players.
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  Speaker 5: I'd be more like the fist pump guy, probably like
• 12:34
  Speaker 5: a calm fist pump.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, beating the chest, you can do it.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm a Calvin Johnson, Barry Sanders guy. Hand the
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: ball to the official. Really? Run around the bases like,
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: of course I hit a home run. That's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to celebrate. It's not even celebrating. It's
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  Speaker 2: just what I do.
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  Speaker 4: What about pointing to the big man? You think about that?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: You do it quick. I mean, if you are an
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: authentic religious person, yes. But, you know, I have to
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: see your whole body of work in regards to your
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: spirituality before I say whether or not you can point
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: to the big man.
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: Pauly Palfs was an altar boy. We'll get into that later.
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: It's time for warm takes here on Not So Fast.
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: I'll go first, Pearl. Nice and warm. Getting you ready
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: for October. Here we go.
• 13:11
  Speaker 5: The New York Knicks are getting their rings and their
• 13:13
  Speaker 5: banner tonight, something I think a lot of people didn't
• 13:15
  Speaker 5: think they were going to see. Nobody had them going
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: to the NBA Finals last year. The Milwaukee Brewers are
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: this close to their first title. They're a feel-good story.
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: The Indiana Hoosiers last year, everybody knows they won the title.
• 13:26
  Speaker 5: They're the feel-good story of all time in college football.
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: I think it's a little refreshing these days that the
• 13:32
  Speaker 5: favorites in sports aren't winning. The Rams are in a
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: little bit of a jam.
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: The L.A.
• 13:36
  Speaker 5: Dodgers didn't win. In the NFL, who knows who's the favorite,
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: but baseball, it's usually Yankees, Dodgers. In the NBA, it's
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: certain teams, even like Oklahoma City, even though they can
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: be feel-good-ish because it's.
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: A small market, but it's refreshing. Look at the Knicks.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: You think they can't be a feel-good story because they're
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: a huge market? Well, they've been struggling for like 50 years.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: They've been good here and there, but they never got
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: over the hump. And they were kind of a likable
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: team last year, hardworking, not star-laden. Jalen Brunson supposedly took
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: less to help out the team.
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: It was a feel-good story.
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: And I'm not sure the reasons this is happening. I'm
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: going to defer to you, Perloff.
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: But in college football, you can say NIL. The money
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: is spread around. Parody, talent.
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: In the NBA, it doesn't feel like teams are being
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: built as superpowers anymore, like dream teams, three-man teams, the
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: big three type thing. And in baseball, it feels like
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: it's a bit of analytics. And the Brewers analytics team
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: seems to be winning it for their team because they're
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: not winning it by spending.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: So I think this is... It's good for sports to
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: have dynasties.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: It's good to have heavyweights like the Golden State Warriors
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: or whatever it may be. But it's also refreshing to
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: have some teams like the Dodgers, or not the Dodgers,
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: but the Knicks in there, the Indiana Hoosiers in there.
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: It's refreshing.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird, though, to say a New York team.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I know exactly what you mean. They were likable, but
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: they don't really feel like the same thing as the
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Indiana Hoosiers.
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: No, not historically, but the Knicks have struggled for so long.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: When they got there, you're like, I can't believe this team.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Not a team with LeBron James or Kevin Durant or
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: some superstar like Giannis is going to get it done.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you mentioned the Seahawks. I didn't. Yeah,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere.
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: The Seahawks, nobody had them before the season. They dominated
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: the whole season, and they did it with not a
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: superstar quarterback.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I agree. I think Anna Lakes is one
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: place to start. I think the way the financial structure
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: of leagues and taxes has a lot to do with it.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: And we'll see what baseball does to get to the
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Dodgers this summer. I mean this winter. Hopefully we will
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: have baseball next year. Okay, I'm going to turn to
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: college football for my first warm take. Paul, I'm going
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: to have a blanket statement here. I hate the A people.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I've always hated AP poll. Why they're doing a pre-season
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: AP poll when it's a bunch of 18 to 22
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: year olds who are on new teams and they have
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: no idea who's good or not. And then basically they
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: perpetuate the same mistakes throughout the whole season. Now, my
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: biggest issue, Miami number one and BYU number two, is
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: that neither of them have really played anyone. I know
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: BYU beat Notre Dame, and that's why they're number two.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: But why is Miami number one, Paul? Let me list
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you their wins. Go ahead. They beat Stanford. Academically, that's tough. Football,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: not so much. Florida A & M, that's tough on
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: the band front, but not on the field. Now, they
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: won at Wake Forest. At the time, we had no
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: idea Wake Forest was good. So I'll give them some
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: credit for that. But that's their one ranked win. Then
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Central Michigan, Clemson, who's terrible. Then they went to double
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: overtime against Florida State, who's not good, and that vaults
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: them up to number one. I think the poll always
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: overrates records and never looks at the quality of wins.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: They don't care who Texas beat. That's irrelevant. They have
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: two losses. So if you look at the top 10,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: it's really much more about avoiding a loss and actually
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: beating a good team, which encourages the team to have
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: bad scheduling and Oregon will play Portland State instead of
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: a real team. All right, Pearl.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: I'm going to speak for the AP poll. I'm going
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: to be AP Paul right now.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Call me AP Paul. Here's my thing.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: If I was the AP poll and heard your take,
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: my response would be, shh, don't tell anybody that we
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: don't mean anything, that half the time the people voting
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: don't really watch all the games.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: The AP poll is only 65 people.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Right, but what I'm saying is that the AP poll
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: serves one service, for the networks to alert you that
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: there's a 1 versus 7 matchup, a 2 versus 8 matchup,
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: They want to do this in September. If all of
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: a sudden I turn on the TV and I see,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: coming up later today on September 8th is the 2
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: seed versus the 5th seed, you know, the 5th ranked team,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: that makes you more likely to lean in and tune
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: into that game. They will never get rid of the
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: preseason poll, and the networks will never let it happen.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Wait, that makes no sense. It makes a lot of sense. Because,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: first of all, if AP said we're not doing a poll,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: then the networks would just use another poll. This is
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the Associated Press. This is the journalism outlet of record.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think AP is the way to serve. Somebody's
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: going to do a poll. So it doesn't matter if
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: it's AP or someone else. AP is pretty informed.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: The AP makes money off this. They get paid to
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: do this.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Right, but so why don't they do it the right way?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Why don't they do it based on who you beat? Yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: there's so many obvious biases. And then they play out.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: You think they're not important, but then they eventually are
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: used in the actual CFP selection committee. No, I think
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that making Miami number one just makes no sense.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I think it could be very lazy by AP voters
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: by saying, like, They always go with undefeated. Like you said,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: they always will defer to undefeated.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Because it's simple and unchallengeable by the average fan.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: But then it makes a huge mess come November when
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: they're trying to pick the 12-team playoff. It always does. Yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: which is good, but it just drives me crazy. And
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I don't buy your take that they're doing it just
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: for clicks. Because why do the networks do it?
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: No, not for clicks.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: It's for networks to promote the upcoming weekend games of.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: like a battle of a two versus a four.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Well, who's paying the AP to do a poll? You
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: think the newspapers are paying AP to have a top
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: 25 poll? I don't think that it works. You're actually
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: ruining it for me by saying that I'm a sucker
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to corporate greed here. You don't think CBS is like, hey, AP,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: here's $ 30, 000. Let's put Ole Miss at number seven.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I love your response there. It's time for my next
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: warm take. Let's calm it down a little bit in here.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Steve Young has had a hell of a week. The
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: other day, he's at the sidelines for BYU when his
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: BYU squad beat Notre Dame. Last night, he's at Monday
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Night Football. There was a Ring of Honor thing, and
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: there he is with Joe Montana. What a great week
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: to be Steve Young. And everyone knows Steve Young.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Famer. He's a first ballot Hall
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: of Famer.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: But his path to get there, to be a first
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: ballot Hall of Famer at quarterback, is the weirdest path
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: of all time, right? He was drafted into the USFL out.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Of College of BYU. So he goes to the BYU,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: he goes to USFL.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: You get no credit for USFL when you're being voted
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: for for the Hall of Fame. So that delayed his
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: NFL career two years. Then he goes to play for
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: They stunk.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: He wasn't much better. They were 3-16 in his two
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: years with the Buccaneers. That made his career even worse.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: That means he's in the hole for his career. Then
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: he goes to, at age 26, the San Francisco 49ers.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: He sits, barely playing, behind Joe Montana for five seasons.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: That means from age 21... Until age 31, he had
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: done nothing positive in his NFL career to get into
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame. He'd actually made it worse. He
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: wasn't called a bust, but he was like this, what
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: are we doing with this guy? He's on ice in
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: San Francisco. Joe Montana gets hurt. They move on from
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Joe Montana. And at age 31, he takes over the
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: San Francisco 49ers. Over the next seven seasons, he's an all-pro,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: not pro bowler, all-pro six times. Led the NFL in
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: touchdown passes four times. Led the NFL in completion percentage
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: five times. a Super Bowl MVP, and during that time,
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: during those eight seasons, he ran for 3,600 yards at quarterback,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: one of the best of all time running the ball.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: This guy is a first ballot Hall of Famer while
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: doing nothing in his 20s.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: You'll never see anything like that again.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Stay with me, Pearl.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell people why you're talking about Steve Young.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Because I'm fascinated by Steve Young.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Well, also, too, because he affected the outcome of the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: BYU game.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, because he ran on the field first.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you were thinking about Steve Young.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I've been thinking a lot.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I think he's one of the more underrated athletes, not
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: just quarterbacks, in American history. Because when we talk about
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: the greatest quarterbacks of all time, His name rarely gets
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: brought up because he didn't have the 15-year, he had
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: the 9-year career.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm not saying he's a system quarterback, but it
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: helped being with Bill Walsh.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Of course it helped being with Bill Walsh, but he
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: maxed out that system.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of an analogy.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Kurt Warner? Yeah, the start was great, the end was great,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: but it's a wonky career.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm just saying Kurt Warner got started super late.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I can't really think of anybody else.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Warren Moon, maybe.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Warren Moon because he's sort of blackballed from the NFL.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Warren Moon would.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Be the only comp of a guy who started maybe
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: after age 28 and did all his work.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I think Karl Warren might have been 28. Yeah, could be. Okay,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that's a great one. I totally agree. All right, back
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to basketball. Tonight, they're going to raise the banner at
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. You're obviously going to get my guy,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Timothy Chalamet, Ben Siller, Michael Imperioli, Nurse Jackie. Go down
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the list. Enjoy it, New York fans, because this is it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone really cares. I think this
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: is the most one and done championship I've ever seen
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: in my life.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: In the sense that. The Knicks fans are like, we're good.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: That's fine. You know, it's been over 30 years. Actually, 1973. Right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Almost 50 years. It had been forever. Now they're absolutely satisfied.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: The team played in the late June. They're already older.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: There's already an issue with Karl-Anthony Towns' contract. They lost
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson. There are so many reasons, I think, that...
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people are picking the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Knicks to repeat, and I don't think a lot of
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: fans really care. The party is still going on from
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: last summer. Knicks fans are completely satisfied. Felt like a movie.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It probably will be a movie. In fact, You have
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the Ben Stiller documentary, and there'll be a fictional movie.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It was great. But I don't think anybody needs any more,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't think they're getting any more, Paul.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: I think if you're a 40 or over New York
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Knicks fan, you say, that's it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Let's wrap it up.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Let's watch some NBA. Let's watch our team. But I'm
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: probably not getting another one, and I have to be
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: cool with it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Right. You know, we have some crazy Knicks fans in
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the office. Let me ask you a question. If they lose,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: even tonight, game one against the Sixers on NBC, do
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you think they're already going to be a little bitter,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: be like, ah, man, we should be better right now?
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: It's all about the age of the person.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: The Knicks fan in the back room you're talking about
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: is about 28 years old, 27 years old. And he
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: still thinks, this is how life is. You get a
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: title every 20 years. You maybe get one in five years.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Or maybe we go back to back. As a Cub fan,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: in 2017, sure I wanted the Cubs to win the
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: World Series on repeat. But it's like, hey, you won
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: the lottery last week. You're still playing the lottery.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: You only get one.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, nobody repeats in the NBA anyway. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: if anybody's going to repeat, you would have thought the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: OKC from last year or maybe the Nuggets with Joker
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: or maybe the Celtics. Those teams all seem very poised
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: to repeat. Not this team.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Coming up next, we're going to get you all prepped
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: for the NBA season with our boy, Noah Eagle of
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: NBC Sports.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: He's going to hang with us. Right here. Stick around.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Not so fast. That's true.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I would love to be at the garden, though. That
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: being said, tonight would be exciting.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Noah could probably get us in. Make some calls.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Not So Fast. Perloff and Paps, NBC
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Sports Now and Peacock. And as we've been talking about
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: all show, we are so fired up. NBA is starting,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of course. The voice of NBA on NBC, Noah Eagle,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is joining us from San Antonio, 9.30 p.m. Eastern tonight.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Thunder at Spurs. Noah, how exciting is this?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's the best. It's the best.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: We've got three incredible games, certainly throughout the day on
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: NBC and Peacock. But our last game here in San Antonio,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: we feel, has a chance to be arguably the best
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: on the court. When you've got the Spurs and the Thunder,
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: we're calling it Game 8 of the Western Conference Finals.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: It feels like it. You feel the hate walking around
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: the town right now. So, yeah, it should be a
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: ton of fun.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: I want to start with Wemby. You've seen him in
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: person multiple times overseas here. I haven't seen him play
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: in person. And I'm curious, the physicality of him when
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: you're watching from your vantage point right next to the court,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: how can you describe it to the casual fan?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: It's almost impossible to describe.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: I say that there are only a couple guys who,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: no matter what the price of admission is, they are
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: worth paying. I've said that Steph Curry, even just his
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: warm-ups and everything that he does, that has always been
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: worth whatever the price of admission is. LeBron James, certainly
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: in his prime, that was special and unique when he
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: was early in his Cleveland days and then Miami and
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: back in his second stint in Cleveland. I've said Nikola
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: Jokic probably has to be on that list. If you
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: see him up close, it's so much different than when
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: you watch it on TV, and it's special on TV.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: But this guy's at the top of that list.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: He probably trumps all those other ones because when you
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: see it, especially when you're close to the court, it
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: doesn't look real.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I'd say let's start there.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: It looks like it would be an AI type of
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: thing that you just find online.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I'll send this to my buddies because it's funny. It's not.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: It's serious. And this guy is as serious as it gets.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: He's as competitive as it gets. You feel that competition.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: You feel that vigor towards his opponents emanating through him
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: when you're up close with him. And then the movements
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: and the athletic ability, I've never seen anything like it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: The hope is that he can stay healthy for 15
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: years and do this at this high level for 15
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: years because NBA fans are treated on a nightly basis.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: No, I don't really understand how the Spurs are built.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I know they experimented with a three-guard lineup this summer.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: You know, they seem very small and wimpy, kind of like, oh,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: he's 7'5. He's going to handle everything inside. I kind
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of worry that he has to do too much because
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he's surrounded by four guards.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: If there's one guy who can do it, though, it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: this guy. Watch games that the San Antonio Spurs play defensively.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Even last season when they had more length out there
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: and really the length that they were putting out there
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: wasn't anything crazy or different than what they're going to
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: you know Dylan Harper's he's fairly long Stefan Castle is
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: multiple defensively De'Aaron Fox would be one of the the
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: smaller aspects of that defense and then Devin Vassell is
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: is a physical presence himself but they were putting out
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: Julian Champagny last year well he might not be a
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: one or a two he's probably a two or three
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: And so he's kind of in that same vein. So
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: I don't think they lost that much size realistically going
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: to the three-guard lineup. But Victor Wimbonyama is such a
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: deterring force that when people drive, they see him even
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: out of the corner of their eye and they retreat.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: They stop going towards the basket. So I think no
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: matter who you put out there, as long as he's
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: the base and the anchor of that defense, it's kind
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: of irrelevant.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: So Noah, we do a thing here on Not So
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Fast and even on the Dan Patrick Show. We have
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: a stat we'd love for you to work in. You're
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: big time now. It's called Shots.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Discouraged, SD.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Because Wemba Nyama gets people to bail on a layup,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: and they just dribble through and give it off to someone.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: So if sometime during the season, maybe not tonight, you
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: could work in SD, Shots Discouraged, we'd appreciate it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: SD.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: You don't have to answer now. We understand a lot
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: of pressure. I want to get to the East a
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: little bit. Jalen Brown goes to the Sixers. LeBron goes
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: to the Sixers. It feels like a rebirth of Northeast basketball.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: The Knicks are more than relevant. They won the title.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: The Celtics are always good. It's a great time to
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: be a Northeast NBA fan.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: I think those three teams that you mentioned all feel
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: like they're going to be in the thick of things.
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: Certainly the Knicks essentially running it back with the roster
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: that they had last year, adding Andre Drummond to replace
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Mitchell Robinson, who goes to Boston and feels like he's
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: a great fit for Joe Mizzoula, just from a personality standpoint.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: Maybe not necessarily in terms of three-point shooting and what
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: we've seen from Mizzoula teams and the way they like
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: to play offensively, but I think mentality-wise, he and Mizzoula
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: are going to click. I think that team's going to
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: be really good. It's a really good at minimum regular
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: season team, a team that easily could end up the
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: top team in the Eastern conference, which is a loaded
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: Eastern conference this year when it's all said and done.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: And Philadelphia feels like the scariest playoff team, right? I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: curious how it looks for the regular season, but so
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: long as they're on the dance floor and you've got
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: to play them seven games and they are fully healthy,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: they are going to be a scary out for any
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: team in the Eastern conference this I'm certainly partial to
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: the Brooklyn Nets. They're going to be a lot better too.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: That's the thing in just the Northeast. If you want
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: to consider the Wizards kind of in that realm as well,
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: they're going to be a ton better. I think they're
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: going to be a ton of fun this year. The
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: fun thing about the Eastern Conference, I feel like there's
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: 15 teams in the conference. 14 of them feel like
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: they are going to be postseason teams this year.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Internally, I should say.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Internally, they believe going into the year, we're going to
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: be a playoff team. I'd say Milwaukee's the one team
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: that probably going into the season doesn't have the expectation
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: they're in that retool, rebuild mode. But Brooklyn thinks, hey,
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: we're going to be at minimum a play-in team, top
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: 10 in the Eastern Conference with Julius Randle and Michael
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Porter Jr., high-level scorers, high-level ball handlers now with Yegor
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: Domen and Mikel Brown, Chicago Bulls. Much improved. They're going
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: to be Norman Powell, an all-star last year. Caleb Wilson
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: has a chance to be the best player from this draft.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: His ceiling is probably the highest. You add pieces to
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: all these other teams that weren't necessarily contenders last year.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's what makes it the most fun.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: But all those teams you mentioned, they expect to be
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: at the top, which is exciting for NBA fans to
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: watch exactly how it plays out.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: No doubt. I know you might have already answered this
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but we're doing our surprise teams later
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: in the show. Give me an out-of-nowhere team that could
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: even be a contender. A little sleeper.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that the teams that picked one and
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: two in the draft, both Washington and Utah, I would
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: expect them to be fully in the thick of things.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: I mentioned Chicago. I think Chicago is the type of
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: team that's going to get off to a really quick start.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: And the question will be, can they sustain all of
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: that through the season? I just think Caleb Wilson is amazing.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: and is going to be one of the best players
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: in the league. Again, staying healthy over time is going
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: to be the key. But Nick Claxton's a good addition there.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Norman Powell, Josh Giddey is probably better than people give
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: him credit for. Modest Buzella, same type of deal. That
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: starting five is intriguing. And Tiago Splitter, I think, is
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: an excellent head coach. But the two teams that picked
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: at the top of the draft, Washington, top six seed
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: to me in the Eastern Conference, if everything comes together
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: the right way, which I expect it to.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: And Utah, I think, is going to be legitimately good.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: I just think that Darren Peterson is NBA-ready, NBA mentality.
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: Lowry Marketing is a legitimate all-star. Keontae George just got
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: his extension, rightfully so. He's deserved that. Jaron Jackson Jr.,
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: former Defensive Player of the Year, a guy who can
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: go out there and spread the floor. He's multiple offensively.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: He's certainly a beast defensively. The one concern for them
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: is going.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: To be rebounding.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: But Will Hardy, their head coach, I think, is finally
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: going to get to show just how impressive he is
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: because he hasn't had the rosters or the direction yet
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: that he can go out there and really flex his muscles.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: There are a lot of people that thought he'd be
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: the next head coach for the Boston Celtics. There are
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: a lot of people thought he'd be the next head
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: coach for the San Antonio Spurs when Greg Popovich retired.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: He ends up in Utah. He stays on a contract
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: extension in Utah. I think he's going to showcase himself
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: a lot this year, which is going to put them
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: in a good position long term.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: All right, Noah, I know you just came from L.A.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: If you're a Los Angeles sports fan, where do you
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: look for hope right now? Because the Dream Team Rams
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: are more of a nightmare right now. I don't know
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: what the vibe is out there, but if I'm a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: young fan and I need to invest in one team
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to do well, who do I got?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's look at USC. Come on, on NBC.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: For the next two weeks. Yeah, it's a legitimate question.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: UCLA would actually be probably the correct answer. UCLA football
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: team right now. undefeated top 10 in the country, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Bob Chesney is special. And they have a chance, if
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: you look at their schedule, to get to the end
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: of the season in that final week against USC without
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: a loss. That would be unbelievable. They would be a shoe-in, essentially,
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: for the playoff. It's Kurt Cignetti 2.0 all over again.
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: But in terms of the professional teams, I still do
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: have belief in the Rams. I know that Devontae Adams,
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: that was unfortunate news, and that does change things a
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: little bit offensively. I think Pukunuku is still working himself
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: back as well. The Kyron Williams stuff was interesting after
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: the game the other day. But you made the move
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: to acquire Miles Garrett, expecting you were going to have
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: Miles Garrett defensively. And they just haven't. I was there
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: in Australia. Even the one game he played, he was
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: not anywhere close to himself. It was so obvious. He
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: never made a single impactful rush. There was never a
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: play where I'm like, oh, there was Miles Garrett in
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: the backfield. So at some point, he's going to be
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: back there. And at some point, Trent McDuffie is going
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: to be back. And at some point, this defense is
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: going to be whole. And you feel like the defense
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: gets whole. That's a really challenging unit for offenses to
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: go up against. And then the second part of that is,
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: even without Devontae Adams, the genius of Sean McVay that
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: is now permeated through the rest of the NFL was
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: in the 13 personnel stuff, what they've been capable of
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: doing with their three tight end looks. They also took
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: Max Claire in the second round, and they believe in
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: this kid moving forward. At some point, one of these
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: tight ends will emerge as the next threat. whether it
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: is Terrence Ferguson back on the field becoming the receiving threat,
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: Max Clare turning into what they expected him to, or
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: the other guys who have just been steady presence, Tyler Higby,
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: a Parkinson, Davis Allen, all of those guys do different things.
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: So I still kind of would put my hope into
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: that if I were an LA sports fan, but it
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: is definitely a challenging time, which by the way, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: get it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: They've had a lot of success recently.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: So maybe, maybe it's just the, the, the scales evening
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: out a little bit.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: All right, Noah, you got to get ready for work.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: We're going to get you out of here in one minute.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I want to go back to the Olympics, France versus USA,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: you and Dwayne Wade. Everyone knows the golden dagger final call.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: My favorite call was a different one. I think it
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: was the play before the shot before by Steph Curry.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: When he hit it, you just went out and yelled ridiculous.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: It's great.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I love that call Noah, because it's exactly what everybody
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: was thinking in my head.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I was like, that is a ridiculous shot. You don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: even try that. And you just go, Ridiculous! Sometimes when
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: you throw that out, do you have to watch back
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: later to remember what you said?
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: That one I think was unique because, to your point,
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: it was almost like I blacked out a.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Little bit during that entire stretch.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: The thing is with Steph, I was so lucky because
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I did the Clippers on radio for four years. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: when you're in the Pacific Division, you get to see
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: Steph Curry four times a year if he's healthy. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: you see the Warriors four times a year, potentially in
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: the playoffs as well. And so I had enough experience
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: with Steph Curry to know that all.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Bigger shots still coming.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: I just had seen too many of those Steph Curry avalanches.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: I was like, I can't go all in yet. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: so at that point, I just think I just going
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: off whatever I was feeling to your point that that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: how I felt at that exact moment.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: And I just let it rip. So.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: I don't think I recognized it probably to your point
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: until afterward, but most of the time I'm pretty aware
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: of what I'm saying.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Love the call, bud. Thanks, Noah. Tonight, 9.30 Eastern, Thunder
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: at Spurs. Can't wait. Enjoy the beginning of the season.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: Appreciate it, guys. Always great to be on with you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: And again, congrats on the show.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: It's been great.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks, buddy. That's fun.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Great to have Noah on the show.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: But I wanted to go back to that because he
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: has now a little bit of announcer immortality. That Steph
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Curry last five, six shots. against France in the gold
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: medal game. I'll remember that the rest of my life.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: And to get to call that, that gives you broadcaster immortality.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great. Olympics will do that. I mean, yes. Yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And also he's just incredibly talented. Him and his dad,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a huge, huge fan. All right. I'm also very fired
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: up for NBA. We're going to get into some more NBA.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And we have interesting comments from Louis Riddick on the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: DP show that I think will start a very interesting conversation.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: That's next. Not so fast.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember watching that, and the ball goes in,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and I was like, he goes, ridiculous. And I was like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: that's the word. That's the word I wanted to yell out.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: That was great.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: C.J.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Stroud, Caleb Williams.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Don't do this, Dan. Don't do this to me.
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: You know when I do this, there's always the people
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: who go.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: You hate my guy.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You love my guy.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: You hate my guy.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I hate that crap. Come on. Your network does this
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: every single day, Lois. I know, and I.
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: Hate that too.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I hate when I get put in that position.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: But yeah, you're right. That's what we do. I like C.J.
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: Stroud's demeanor. I like how people react around him. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: I trust D'Amico so much. And when he talks about
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: this kid, he loves him. And I just think that
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: those intangible things are the things that lead to a
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: guy being able to have 10, 15, 20-year careers. And
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: I think CJ could be one of those guys, and
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: he is on it right now. It's not as dramatic
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: as all the stuff that Caleb could do, and I
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: think that's what, and I love that about him.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I would pick CJ.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: That is CJ Stroud versus Caleb Williams, Louis Riddick. One
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: of my favorite parts about having Louis Riddick on the
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: show is Dan asks him questions. He doesn't know what's coming,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: and Louis grinds on them. And we hit Louis right
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: at the end with, who would you rather have going forward?
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams of the Bears, C.J. Stroud of the Texans.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: And he paused for like eight seconds like he needed
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: time to work this one out. What would your answer
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: be to this question?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I would, oh man, it's hard. I would lean Caleb Williams.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I do worry about Caleb Williams. He's at his best
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: when he moves around a lot and he could be
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: injury prone. I'm so impressed by C.J. Stroud this year.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I agree with what Riddick said earlier in the show,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: pay him whatever he wants. But I think I would still,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: ah man, I would lean Caleb, but I think it's
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: actually closer than you might have thought coming into the season.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a good point because if we
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: asked this question six weeks ago, C.J. Stroud still had
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: the stink of last year's playoff game on him, and
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: people would have been like, that's not even a topic.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: And Caleb was rolling in the offseason because he had
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: such a good finish to last year.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. The funny thing is the Texans are not winning. C.J. Stroud,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're winning a couple games now.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: They're in the mix.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how good Caleb Williams is. I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: really don't. I don't know what his legacy is going
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: to be. There still has not been a Chicago Bears
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: passer to get 4,000 yards, and I've got to be honest,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Caleb's going to be that guy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: He's not going to get it this year. We're missing
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: a couple games.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And even when they scored 59 points in week one
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: against Carolina, it's not like he's putting them 350 yards.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: They are a run first, run second team. So this
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: is very interesting. I mean, I think if we put
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a poll out, 80% would say Caleb, but I love
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Riddick's enthusiasm. for C.J. Stroud.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: All right, coming up, oh, Grant Hill also on the
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Dan Patch show today of NBC Sports talking about the
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: NBC season coming up. Now, Perloff, he may agree with
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: you about the Knicks that it might be one and done.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Here's what Grant Hill had to say about the East.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I think the East is much, much more challenging. I mean,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a tough, a tough road.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Knicks will be there. They're, they're a
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: great team. They bring everyone back. You know, I think,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you know, Boston's still going to be good. Philadelphia, Miami
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: is going to be upgraded with Giannis there.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Indiana.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, I think that team, you know, Halliburton, they,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he comes back, you, you bring Zubats, like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: The East is going to be a slugfest. I actually
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: think the Knicks, as good as they are and as
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: good as they'll be, they're going to have a tougher
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: road to the finals.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that Grant Hill agrees with me.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Just two smart guys talking sports.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Question for you, Paul. How many times do you think
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Grant Hill has been on with Dan?
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Oh, honestly, probably 40. And that's a lot.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking all the way back, remember, wasn't Grant
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Hill in the piano commercial for This Is Sports Center
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and Dan had a tough day and Grant Hill's playing
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: piano in the lobby and Dan puts a dollar in
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: his jar?
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I think, and Dan would join us to talk about this,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: but The first commercial he did for this at SportsCenter
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: was with Grant Hill.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: That was the first one Dan did.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Wow. And that was great. He did so many great ones.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But Grant Hill is always an A-plus interview. I don't
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: know about his background today. That was a little sparse.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: A little sparse. But, you know, he's a minimalist.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I keep hearing this thing about the NBA
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that the East is crazy right now. You really don't
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: have many off nights if you're playing an Eastern Conference team.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: It's kind of refreshed with LeBron going to Philly. You know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: you grew up back in the day when we were
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: real little kids.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was Philly.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Philly.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't really the Knicks.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: It was the Celtics and Philly were the top two
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: hammers in the East.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: They get to play the Lakers.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: They get to play the Lakers. You'd see Philly on
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: TV all the time.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's talk about Chicago. Toronto is a super
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: hot pick, too. There's a lot of teams that haven't
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: been good in recent years. Charlotte.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Detroit's been good in the regular season.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Detroit's been dominant, but I think you can go pretty deep.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Poor Knicks. I love that the Knicks are the defending champion.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: We're not giving them any love. Again, they were a
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: great story.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: As we say, I don't need love. I just need
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: a parade. All right, let's do some NBA picks. These
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: are our picks, Perloff. We've got to get them on
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: the record. I'm going to go with most surprising team
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: in the NBA. It doesn't mean they're going to win
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: the title, just they're going to outdo expectations.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: You want to go first?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. I have a very surprising team. The Brooklyn Nets,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why. They have some talent. Julius
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Randle and Michael Porter Jr., but it's not that. They
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: do not have their draft pick. They have a swap
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: with the Rockets from some old trade. So they have
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: no reason to tank. And in the NBA, come late
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: in the season, that is a huge advantage if you
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: want some Ws. So I think they hang around and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: hang around. And they have a very interesting roster. It
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: seems like they're headed in the right direction, which hasn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: been the case in a long, long time. But I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: think the fact that they don't have a draft pick
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: means that they're going to be trying really hard come April.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I'm going with the Portland Trailblazers, my most surprising team.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Nobody talks about them off the radar for a while.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: You love your guy Donovan Klingin. They're going to win
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: 52 games and be a little saucy.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: 52 games?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big jump for them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: That's expecting a lot of help from guards who are
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a little bit older. I don't know if I see that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Let's go with disappointing. Most disappointing team?
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go with the LA Lakers because the
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: coverage rarely matches the production. I just don't think they
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: did a lot to improve themselves. They've got new players.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think they've got great players. And it's going
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: to be Luka putting up a lot of action. And
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: not much help again. It seems like a rinse and
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: repeat type situation.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Walker Kessler in the middle maybe do
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: a couple things. I'm going to go my most disappointing teams.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go a little taller. How about the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs? Wow. It's not like the Super Bowl
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: where if you lose, you have a jinx. But I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: don't think the Spurs are quite.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: On the brink of a title. I think they were
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: a little ahead of their skis in last year's finals.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Here's my issue. I keep saying it. Wemby is not
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: getting enough help inside, so he's got to do everything.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like he'll wear down throughout the season. Keeping
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: him healthy for 82 games, then several rounds of the playoffs,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: that seems like a pipe dream to me.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: It's time for our MVPs. My MVP is a guy
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: who you said is going to disappoint, Victor Wemby.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: The media wants to give it to him. It's his year.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: All he has to do is play 70 games and
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: get the stats. Everybody else has won one. SGA has
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: won a couple. Everyone else has won one or more.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: It's destiny for him this year if he stays healthy.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Your MVP?
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Luka Doncic, because it's a narrative award. LeBron leaves and
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Luka steps up his game. I think they're going to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: be better without LeBron milling around the team. And Luka,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: we've seen him win with nobody, Paul.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: He does have an opportunity.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone well over 50 wins with the worst teams.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: All right, I'll go first. Our NBA Finals prediction. I'm
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: going 76ers. Over Oklahoma City in full seven games. Oh, wow.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I'm taking your Sixers before you can take your Sixers, Perloff. Hijacked.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going a little more obvious. I'm going to Oklahoma
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: City Thunder. In fact, if they were healthy, if Jalen
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Williams was healthy last year, they would have won last year.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: True.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: They're the best team in the NBA.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: All right, coming up next, constructive criticism and, oh, Noah
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Eagle will be joining us from San Antonio, getting you
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: ready for the NBA season.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Stick around.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Not so fast.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I think we have a big debate going on Luka Doncic.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: How good are the Lakers? I think with Luka playing well, healthy,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and in good shape, they're going to be fine.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: And my Sixers now. They're my Sixers.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can have them. Think that team's going to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: stay healthy?
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Paul Paps. So we did something last week called Done
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: or Done Done. Was that the name of the segment?
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the team could be done. Like, oh, man,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: they're done.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: But you have to declare them done done, which means,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: by definition, they cannot and will not make the NFL playoffs.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's start. We're declaring the Chargers and the Commanders done-done.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Now, last week we were in between on the Chargers
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: because you said Chargers were done-done, and I said just done,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: so that puts them in that purgatory area. I am
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: now ready to agree with you that the Chargers are
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: done-done and not making the playoffs.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about the Commanders because I think
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: anybody who can play any form of organized football could
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: win the NFC East. So I don't think the Commanders
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: make the done-done list.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think the Commanders make that list because
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: of the— not so much them— but the division around them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: It's still a weirdly winnable, but I don't think they're
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: a threatening team in any way, and the second half
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: last night didn't help a lot.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: No, they seem disorganized, too. That really bothers me. Sometimes
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: key plays are false starts, or they barely got the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: play in. Okay, LA Rams belong on a done-done list?
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised we even put them on this list. I
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: know at 2-4 you should be on the list. Is
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: this insulting for them to even be on the list?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think so, but there are a lot of problems.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Devontae Adams out for several weeks with a hamstring. What
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: is it, a ruptured hamstring?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like there's strained, sprained hamstrings. torn, ruptured.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Ruptured is the one you don't want.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: But the defensive line is also huge problems there. Think
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: about it. Aaron Donald came to play with guys like
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Puna Ford and Miles Garrett, and none of them are
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: on the field. It's just Aaron Donald. That's really disappointing.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: But no way are they done done. And they are
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: going to get some guys back.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: And we're not those hot take guys that declare a
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: team's done, and then when they win three in a row, say, up.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, look, they're back. Once you're done, done, you're done.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Would you use a draft pick to trade for a receiver, say,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Jr. from Jacksonville or Rashad Bateman in Baltimore?
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, because that's what the Rams do.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: They only value draft picks in, like, The one draft
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: pick they had this year, they even used that on
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: the future. They used their draft picks for now, or
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: they went with Ty Simpson out of Alabama.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: They don't look at the draft like normal teams look
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: at the draft.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: The Eagles, obviously we just learned that Jalen Hurts is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: likely out for the season with a blood clot issue.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Are they done done?
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: I think they're too decent of a team generally with
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: the talent on both sides of the ball. Tanner McKee
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I don't think will be bad. I think he'll be
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: probably like a C-plus, B-minus type quarterback for them. He's
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: been there a while, Tanner McKee. More of a drop-back guy.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I think they're going to be, I wouldn't say fine
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: because that's too complimentary, but that division. I think the
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: team they've got to get past is the New York Giants.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: They've been the most consistent, weirdly.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, I pulled up the odds. The Cowboys are
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the slight favorite, and the Giants right behind them. The
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Eagles are last. That is just done, done. Put it
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: in all caps. Stamp it on there. Really? Yeah. I mean,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Even if Jalen Hurts was still the quarterback,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: when Lane Johnson retired, they cannot win without their all-world
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: right tackle.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I think your done, done is based on them being
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: a threatening team. You're saying even if they somehow weirdly
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: snuck in the playoffs.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's it. I don't think that's in
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: play anymore. First of all, there's so many injuries. Right
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: now their defense is keeping them in games. But Tanner
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: McKee was fine. If you want to argue against me,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you're right. The division is terrible, but I don't know
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: how Tanner McKee does anything.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I'd like to take a 20 on this division. The
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Cowboys are going to regret this season more than any season.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: I know the Cowboys won seven each of the past
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: two years, and I know they don't have a great defense,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: but they should have offensive their way to a 500
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: record at this point. And if they somehow don't make
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: the playoffs... in this weak, you know what, division.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: It's embarrassing.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: You think Brian Schottenheimer gets fired if they don't make
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the playoffs? I do, because that means they have five wins.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I probably would, because Jerry Jones does not seem like
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: a patient guy under normal circumstances. I don't think he's
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: getting any younger. I just did the math.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: He has no relationship with Brian Schottenheimer to keep him.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: The thing about what they do, the problem with Dallas is,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I know we can do a big deep dive, is
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: they hire people who could be bossed around. They don't
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: hire alpha dogs since they got Parcells in there.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. You know, Jerry Jones has
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: not won another Bill Parcells. I heard a rumor that
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: he brought in Parcells so he could get a new
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: stadium built and win some games. And then the second
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the stadium was greenlit, he said goodbye. Okay, lastly on
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: this list, our producer Scott Messina, not us, put the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Raiders as a potential Dun Dun team. Weren't they the
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: feel-good team of the league just two weeks ago?
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: They almost won the game the other day.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: I know they've lost a few in a row, but
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Dundon is in that division, it's tough.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I would say I can't go Dundon on them.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I will say, though, that Kirk Cousins in about three
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: weeks or four weeks will be Dundon because once they're
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: out of striking distance of the playoffs, they're going to
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: pivot to Mendoza around week 10.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: What about a trade? How about Kirk Cousins going somewhere
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: else who needs a quarterback?
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Well, you need an injury. What you need is an injury.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: But I love this. Actually, this is a great take
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: by you.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: If some contender... somehow needs a quarterback three weeks from now.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Let's say Josh Allen got banged up hard.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? What about the Eagles?
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Man, like a one-year, a nine-game rental?
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a nine-game rental. It rarely works, but we've seen
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: teams try it before to switch gears mid-season.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: There's a Kohl's in Philadelphia. Kirk Cousins would look great.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: There are many Kohl's. All right, I don't know if
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: we really add to the list. The Chargers are definitely done-done,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: but everyone else is sort of hanging around for at
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: least one of us.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: We had Saints in Purgatory last year. Saints are.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: They won, though.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Same thing. They have such an easy division.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: You can not like the Saints, but agree they're not
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: done done because the division's easy.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right. All right. Well, hopefully the Eagles
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: are not done, done, done, which means not just done,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: but done for the next several years because it is
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: not going well. All right. Coming up next, we're going
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: to go to constructive criticism. You know what, BYU fans,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: leave my guy Paul Paps alone. We're going to get
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: in that not so fast.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Bring it, BYU. We're all friends here. I love BYU.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I do, yeah. We love BYU. Provo is gorgeous.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Gorgeous.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Can't really drink there.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: No, you can if you find some people, you know.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: You've got to find a hookup.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: You've got to. Welcome back to Not So Fast. Andrew Perloff,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Paul Paps, NBC Sports Now. And Peacock. All right, Paul,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's still fallout from last night's Monday
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Night Football game. The Niners hold off the Commanders. I'm
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: not so sure about the Niners. The Commanders are what
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: I think, I got to tell you, I'm quite surprised
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: that you don't think last night was a good night
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: for an injured, banged up 49ers team.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: They're at home.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: They should blow out the Commanders. They should have won
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: that game 38-7.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: It did feel like a step off the gas at halftime.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: At halftime, they're probably calling, making plans, getting ready for
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: a late dinner.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: But don't you think it was more when Mike Evans
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: got hurt, the Niners lost their offensive mojo?
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: But he's not hurt-hurt, he's hurt. He's not out six
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: to eight weeks hurt. McCaffrey's healthy. I think the bigger
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: picture is how Brock Purdy is playing relaxes everything. When
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: he got that big contract a couple years ago, people
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: were like, you're going to give this guy 255 or
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: whatever it was? And nobody asks that anymore because the
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: guy doesn't get sacked. He's been sacked six times in
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: six games.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: I think that's one a game. I just did the math.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: That's light. He barely gets touched.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: I think they're in a fantastic situation, and the benefit
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: for them is the Rams are struggling, and the Seahawks
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: look like they can't run the ball, and that doesn't look.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Fixable, those two things.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with that.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying the 49ers are great. I'm saying
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: by default they could have home field advantage.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Is Purdy, I don't want to say system quarterback, but
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: he's great when those pieces around him are great. He
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: needs McCaffrey to run the ball. He needs a big
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: target like Mike Evans. He needs Kittle healthy. If all
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: those guys go away, Purdy's not the kind of quarterback
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: who can do it alone. He's not Josh Allen.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: He does not wow you like Josh Allen with the physicality.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: He does have a little wiggle. I wouldn't say he's
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: a great runner. It's more like he gets downfield. He's
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: not scared to take on a little contact. So Brock Purdy, again,
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: he's not the roll left, throw right, 80 yards across
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: his body guy. He's not a highlight guy, but he's
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: got a little bit of that, I hate to say
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: gritty and guttiness, but that gritty toughness. And he's got
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: all the tools to like an 8. He's not a
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: 10 anywhere.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: And he knows when to run. Yes. He's very frustrating
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: if you're playing against him or you bat against him
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: because he will always get the first down with his legs.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I just think, Paul, six games. It's a long season.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: And you see the injuries sort of mounting up for them.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And if he doesn't have the pieces around him, forget MVP.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I think they could be in much different shape come December.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the Rams trading for someone. How about the
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: 49ers making a trade for the trade deadline? Defender or
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: wide receiver?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Definitely not defense. They have all these young guys who
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: have stepped up and will be fine. Even without Nick Bosa,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: they look dominant.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: But they need at least one receiver.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: So they're getting Stribling, the rookie, back. They're getting Debo.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Debo is coming back. Mike Evans, I worry about. Christian
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Kirk is coming back.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: But again, we talk about playing while you're hot or
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: making a move while you're hot.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: They didn't expect to be 6-0. It's almost like.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: A baseball team being above 500 right around the trade deadline,
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: let's press the gas.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: So the guy whose name is out there is Brian
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Thomas Jr. Jacksonville had an amazing rookie season, but he
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: had seven drops as a rookie, 10 last year, and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: he already has three this year. Are you sure that's
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the element you want to add? The other thing about
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: these Niners, maybe this is me just speculating, they seem
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: very cohesive. They're all buddies, especially the defense. The defense
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: is really unified. I don't know if you want to
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: bring in an outside guy.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: No, I know that.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: You don't want to bring in a guy who drops passes.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: But Houston brought in Marvin Harrison Jr., who had done nothing.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: But they said to themselves, we've got to spark this
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: up a little bit because we're having a bad September.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Sometimes a move for the move's sake is the move.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: But if you're 6-0, why would you make a move
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: for the move's sake?
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Because, I would say the injuries.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Because the age of Debo and the age of Mike Evans,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: one of the two probably will not be available in
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: deep January.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: But what is the issue we always talk about with
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: the Niners? The big issue. Probably the primary issue coming
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: into every season.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: The electric plant next door?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: You got me. No, Christian McCaffrey's usage. Yes. We always say,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: do not wear down your bell cow because he is
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the best player on this team.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: And I like the draft pick of Kalen Black out
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: of Indiana.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Where was he last night, though?
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: He only carried the ball about five times. I thought
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: they would get more. All right, let's go to... Fun
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: game last night. Let's get to a little constructive criticism.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Your feedback, your thoughts, your commentary. Heard from a lot
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: of BYU fans. We'll get to you in a second.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Here we go, Pearl. Constructive criticism time.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Let's go with it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is the little boy who won, who's grandmother.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: This is from Dan Casper. We know this guy. He's
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: a fan of the show.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Hey, Paul Paps, thanks for the shout out on Not
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: So Fast about my kiddo Hudson and his World Series tickets.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: What a week this guy's having.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, which is bigger to him, being on Not
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: So Fast, featured, or going to the World Series?
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Your thoughts?
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: It depends if the Brewers win. No, obviously going to
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the World Series. But first of all, he's still smiling.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. He has not stopped smiling since those tickets
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: came through. He almost makes me want to root for
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: the Brewers. Can you picture his face if they lose?
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I can't believe you even brought that up. You can't
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: say that. The little guy's watching.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: One team's got to lose, Paul.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: You go to school, eat your vegetables, the brewers are
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: going to be fine.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: Don't listen to that mean Mr. Andrew Perloff there. All right,
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: let's get to the next one.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, now Joe Montana walked out. There was a Ring
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: of Honor thing going on, so all the Niners were back.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Joe Montana did a quick interview before the game, and
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: he had this shirt on, which was, you know, I
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: would say questionable, risque, whatever word you want to use.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: And I tweeted out, Amongst the great things about being
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: Joe Montana is you can wear whatever the hell shirt
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: you want to wear because you're Joe Montana, you got
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: four rings.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But this might be fashionable and we might not
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: know about it. You know how Hawaiian shirts came back
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: about eight years ago? This might be cool and it's
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: just above our head.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Like a Bay Area thing? Yeah.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Kind of California.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: From Eric Jensen, when people refer to you as Joe Montana,
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: one word, you can wear any damn thing you want.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: That's correct. That's actually correct. Good job by you, Eric.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: And let's get one more from Will Dowdy. This one
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: was definitely not recommended by a stylist. That sounds like
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: he's making fun of Joe Montana. We don't do that.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: No, that's not allowed. But I've got to tell you,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: they did a team photo. I think they were honoring
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Keenan Turner last night. And the retired players have a
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: wide range of looks. Some guys let it go. Some
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: guys are still in great shape and wearing sleeveless denim cutoffs.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Other guys just look like they haven't played football in
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: 100 years.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: Best name in NFL history, Joe Montana.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just perfect. It sounds like a name.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Joe Cool.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Joe Cool.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: You give a quarterback in a movie. Like Johnny Utah
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: was based off Joe Montana.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: You know, Paul, you with this alliterate, or I don't
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: know what you call it when something actually does what
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: it sounds like. You thought Mike Quick was the greatest
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: wide receiver because his name was Quick.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: It's a great name.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: What was the linebacker for Ohio State who had a name?
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: There was Andy Katzenroyer, but you're thinking Michael Stonebreaker, the
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: middle linebacker for Notre Dame.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: Good pull by you.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted to vote for him in the Heisman
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: because you loved his name so much. So, of course,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to go, is that the ultimate name? But
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to me, it also depends on what you do. Tom
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Brady is not a name unto itself, but now it
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: evokes so much just by saying Tom Brady.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom Brady sounds like my accountant, Tom Brady. He
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: really knows what he's talking about. How about best sports
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: name for what you do, Usain Bolt?
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: You couldn't design a better name than Usain Bolt.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to think. If your last name was
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Duncan Basketball.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: There's... Tim Duncan, but he didn't dunk that much. He
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: was more of a crisp, one-handed runner.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or a bank shot. Wow. All right, a couple.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: More NFL questions before we get done. The Rams have issues.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: We're not talking about the Seattle Seahawks. Seattle's on national
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: TV coming up next week. Do they trade for a
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: running back, or do they hold Sir.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: I know. You've been jonesing on this one. Does Seattle
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: trade for a running back?
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: That'd be admitting an offseason mistake because they let Kenneth
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Walker go. They actually paid wide receiver Rashid Shahid. If
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: they traded for a running back now, it almost puts
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: too much of a spotlight on probably the biggest mistake
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: of the offseason, letting Ken Walker go. to Kansas City. Now,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price is coming back. Zach Charbonnet is coming back
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: off an injury. So I think Seattle's okay in that department,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: but man, are they regretting letting Walker out the door.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, what about a couple other teams? Like, let's go
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: to the NFC North. Chicago Bears, good offense. Caleb Williams back.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: They're good on offense. They have almost no threatening people
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: on defense.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what happened?
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I thought the defense was going to be improved.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: No, they lost a few guys last year, and they
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: lived off takeaways last year. Do you see any defensive
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: players in the play? Like years ago, Khalil Mack was
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: a trade bait.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you know, obviously a team that is struggling
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: is the Philadelphia Eagles. They actually have a couple defensive
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: linemen that might be extra. If you need a tackle,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: they got one.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: And the Eagles, you still think, are selling a little bit,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: or started, not... Not a fire sale, but an early
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: fire sale with Cam Juergens.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Right. Former Georgia pass rusher Nolan Smith can be had.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, come trade deadline, especially with a
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: pass rusher, nobody's training a guy who's really playing well.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: What about Max Crosby?
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: The Max Crosby situation, I still, from year to year,
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: he was traded. He was going to Baltimore, then somehow
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: he didn't pass his physical. I still think that's fishy.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Well, they limit his number of snaps, which to me
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: says that he's not 100% healthy. Now, I don't think
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: that's necessarily why Baltimore said no to the trade.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: But if you're a team that needs a pass rusher,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby will teach the young guys how to win. Well,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: not necessarily win, but he'll teach them how to play hard.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: How to play well on a team that doesn't win.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: That's the thing you've got to learn out there. All right,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: it's time for the feel good. Let's get you out
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: of here feeling good today.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Ready to go? Here's our feel good on Not So
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: Fast for a Tuesday. Look at these guys. Tampa Bay Rays. Yee-haw.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: A little pop fly, anticlimactic, and we're going to the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: World Series. Now, Perloff, the Rays have not been around
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: that long, but they used to be the Tampa Bay
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: Devil Rays. When they were the Devil Rays, they didn't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: make the playoffs even once in their history.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: They removed the Devil. They got the Devil out of town.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Next thing you know, they make the World Series the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: following year, and they've made the playoffs, I think, nine
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: or ten times, including this year.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Coincidence? Not so fast.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: So when they played the Phillies in 07 with Evan Longoria,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: that was just the Rays?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, just the Rays.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Okay. I think that is the key to their entire success.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Not analytics, not the players. It's the fact that they
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: got devil out of their name.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: But then the Duke Blue Devils never got rid of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: the devil and dominated for decades.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Your thoughts?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the last couple of years they've come up
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: short ball.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: Should they remove the devil and start playing some big basketball?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, if they keep going out on the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Elite Eight, then I think they should consider that. There
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Anything else football-wise before we wrap up? Not so fast.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: Baseball-wise, we got basketball tonight. Are your 76ers, here's what
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: I think is going to happen. I think your 76ers
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: are going to win big tonight, set expectations way too high,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: then lose like two of the next three and everyone
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: jumps off the bandwagon.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: I see it more as an early season dominance and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: then late season injuries.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: They're going to win tonight and then go on a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: little bit of a spill and everyone's going to get
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: off the bandwagon.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: Don't forget, tune in to the Dan Patch Show tomorrow
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: right here on NBC Sports. Then come hang with us
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: on Not So Fast. Enjoy the basketball at NBC. Come
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: hang with us after.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Take it easy.