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Iowa Women fall in 2nd Round, TJ Otzelberger's Future, Rob Dauster on the Sweet 16 & Scott Dochterman talks Hawkeyes · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon here
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  on a Tuesday. The Iowa Sports Radio Network
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  going to talk sports with you for the next couple of hours.
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  Thanks for starting your afternoon with us, Trent Condon
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  and myself, Ken Miller. Here's what's coming up on our
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  program. Rob Doster from the field of 68.
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  Very busy guy. Grateful that he's going to give
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  us a little bit of time here. Coming up at 12:25 or
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  thereabouts to Rob Doster on what he may be a couple of
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  takeaways from what he saw the first weekend.
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  Obviously, a good long look at the Sweet 16.
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  We'll get into that in the first segment coming up here.
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  But Rob Doster will help us out in about 25 minutes.
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  Then Scott Dockerman from The Athletic will put a bow on the
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  eye with women, with Doc as he was at Carver.
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  We'll do some some football things, related topics with
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  Scott Dockerman coming up at 12:45.
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  And then 1:25, we'll get Tommy Birch, who covers a couple of
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  things for the Des Moines Register.
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  Well, more than that, but he's on the Iowa State women's beat.
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  There are now 4 of Finley's team that have decided to enter the
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  transfer portal. None of the big 4 yet.
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  We'll get into that. We'll talk Iowa State women with
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  Tommy Birch. And then the I Cubs open on
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  Friday, believe it or not, Iowa Cubs baseball downtown Des
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  Moines as they will start another season.
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  By the way, the crew in the afternoon, the boys off the
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  bench, Sean and Lucas will be downtown Des Moines to do their
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  show on Friday, opening day at Principal Park.
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  They'll be playing ball in 2026. Trent will make some picks.
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  There is some basketball tonight.
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  How'd you do on the women's yesterday?
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  One in one. All right, so split lost the
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  juice, but you got one in the win column and put one in the
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  loss column. So that's the show in the next
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  couple of hours. Rob Dostra will join us here at
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  12:25. Look forward to that.
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  Then Scott Dockerman and Tommy Burch.
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  So kind of a quiet night if obviously after the women
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  wrapped up their season, the Iowa win with Virginia.
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  I did not watch any more basketball.
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  What did you watch last night? I watched more women's
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  basketball. Yeah, that was at the forefront
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  of things. What else do we have going on
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  last night? Oh, we had our first offseason
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  wrestling practice with Jack. So I took a big no, but it does
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  not. He's got baseball starting up.
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  He's got soccer around the corner.
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  Softball season is basically here is we'll have tournament
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  starting up here in a couple of weeks.
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  So it is that time of year. The busyness is going to hit
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  overload once again and got to bed last night a little later
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  that I wanted. I've told you I've been under
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  the weather. Didn't get a great night of
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  sleep Sunday night because I couldn't probably couldn't
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  sleep. I couldn't I really couldn't it,
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  it was I just was euphoric and and 27 years in 1999 and
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  everything that we talked about yesterday, I just didn't sleep
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  really well. And then it got even worse last
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  night. Sickness coupled with tiredness
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  overtired a kid in the bed that a second kid jumped into the bed
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  and so I went down to the couch and then my wife leaves at 4:30
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  to go to the gym and that's. What time Tara leaves the house.
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  She does, yeah. She's crazy.
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  What time's the gym open? 5 She's she's there.
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  Bright and early. Absolutely.
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  First one there and my daughter apparently came running out of
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  the house after her. She was pulling out of the
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  driveway because she couldn't find me because I was laying on
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  the couch. So she wakes me up and that's
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  been it. So I got about an hour of sleep.
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  Oh, good. Yeah, I am feeling punchy.
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  I'm feeling very tired. I'm feeling ill and yet I don't
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  care because I was in the sweet. 60s Yeah, indeed they are.
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  Nothing's gonna change their Trenton with a chance to punch
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  their ticket to the Elite 8, obviously.
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  So we'll get into that. But let's let's start with the
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  Iowa women and what happened yesterday with them as their
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  season comes to an end against Virginia team like it's very
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  similar to the Texas had to play into the play in game made it
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  through that get to the 2C get to Monday after winning over the
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  weekend and knock off the University of Iowa who had not
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  played well. You mentioned that Trent had not
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  played well against who did they play for Le Dickinson right on
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  on Saturday. Just just your thoughts.
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  What went wrong? And, and, and big picture, what,
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  what does this mean? Because I think I would.
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  Men are on an uptick. Yeah.
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  Iowa women, people still support them and still will.
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  I'm not saying that they won't, but the men are going to sell
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  more tickets. Yeah.
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  And in a lot of households, it's, you know, we can do one.
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  We can't do them both. What what does this mean?
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  Are there going to be women's tickets more readily available
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  than there have been in the last, what, handful of years?
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  Well, 'cause you couldn't get. Them, you couldn't.
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  And we found out that they probably left Bunny on the
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  table, certainly during Caitlin's final season.
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  I think that was an easy one. The tickets are very affordable.
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  They still are in comparison to the other options that are out
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  there. And when you're talking about
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  entertainment, yeah, women are always going to have their
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  place. But with this renewed optimism
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  and Ben McCollum continues this momentum going forward.
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  And by the way. He's not turning down any
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  national media. It's.
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  Absolutely good for him. He did barstool this morning,
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  did McAfee yesterday and why wouldn't you?
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  He's selling his program and that that on top of what he said
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  in the locker room after the game.
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  Like if you're soft, don't come to play for.
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  Us. Yes, absolutely.
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  If you're tough and you like being coach, we'd love to have
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  you. So that's kind of the message
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  that he's carried forward, he gets.
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  It he does. He gets it.
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  He has a long track record, a point guard, that's what they're
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  going to need going into next season, doesn't need another
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  lead guard. And depending on the NIL funding
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  and there was a list out there that hired, I was 16th out of
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  the Sweet 16 teams, who knows the validity behind those kind
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  of things, but. Yeah, 'cause Iowa State was just
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  a couple above them, right? I think that there's more money
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  there than being, you know, on the books.
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  And that Twitter account, I mean, there's no basis where it
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  came from or anything like that. So it is, I think, for wild
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  speculation. But that aside, they're going to
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  be in really good shape. But yeah, when it comes to the
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  Iowa women, there's an opportunity here and an
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  opportunity to carry this momentum.
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  Coming off Caitlin Clark. You look at what they did and
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  they got well, let's go. Coming in next year, who's
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  outstanding highest rated recruit they've had since
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  Caitlin Clark? That's coming in next year.
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  She had a tremendous year coming off an ACL injury.
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  She's stuck. But we also saw Addie deal I.
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  Was about to say the very same thing.
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  Trent. I heard the same thing about
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  Addie Deal. And obviously she was not
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  surefire, you know, put her in the starting lineup, you know,
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  you're good to go. There is.
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  Is that maybe unfair? Not unfair to her, but maybe
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  expectations 'cause we saw Lucy Olson.
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  Mm Hmm. We were told I wasn't gonna be
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  Kate and Clark. Nobody is.
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  Yeah, right. And nobody bought into the fact
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  that she was going to be and she wasn't.
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  And she had a nice. Year she was really good.
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  She was really good. But she was older, yes, than
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  Addie Deal, 22, right? And Addie Deal was fresh out of
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  high school, yes, and coming across the country to Iowa.
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  She grew up in a California count, right?
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  We'll see. We'll see.
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  They have a lot of work to do in the portal.
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  But here's the thing about Jan Jensen at least strikes me from
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  afar. Correct me if I'm wrong, she
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  sure seems to get into her shares of living.
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  Rooms. Oh yes.
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  Yeah, I mean, people are listening to the Iowa message,
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  Roots and families. But they went big game, honey.
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  Yep. And all they came up with was 1.
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  And that's not fair to well, let's go.
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  And that's not fair because you got one better zero, right?
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  But it's a 0 sum game and that's what recruiting is.
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  Doesn't matter if you got in all those living rooms.
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  Because close the deal. You also, you look around and
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  there's girls here from the state of Iowa, they're going to
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  play high D1 basketball, going to Crate and go to Kansas.
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  Those are the prospects that normally you would have zeroed
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  in on. You didn't.
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  Is that going to hurt you recruit?
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  Harder you mean? Right, because you're going
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  after these big ones and that's where you're all your attention
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  is and that's where hey, the spot is yours and that next tier
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  that or I would normally got, well, you didn't get them
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  because we're going after the bigger ones.
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  And because of that, is that something that's going to impact
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  them? The momentum of Caitlin Clark
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  could only last so long as it pertains to the program.
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  We've seen this before. We've seen programs that have
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  had these great upticks but not been able in the women's
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  basketball game to carry that momentum.
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  South Carolina was able to do it.
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  UCONN's been able to do it. Tennessee, no.
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  Look at that program, no, for decades and decades and decades.
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  And now they're also ran. And certainly in women's
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  basketball in the way that it is.
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  It is a dangerous spot now because the pressure of what
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  happened with Caitlin Clark, of continuing that momentum when
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  you lose at home, second time in five years you've done that.
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  Are these sophomores going to take that and use that
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  motivation? Another thing, how many people
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  are wired like Caitlin Clark? Very few.
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  And she talked so much about that loss to Creighton and how
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  important that was and driving them getting to the final four
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  in the championship game the next two years.
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  Is that loss. Was that fuel?
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  Does everybody have that? Do all those players have that?
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  Because you saw yesterday certainly didn't seem like
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  players that are wired in the same way.
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  Well. Especially the last was the 67
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  apiece, the very last possession before I've of.
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  Regulation, yes, but what are we doing standing around?
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  Standing? Exactly what they were doing
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  standing around, settling and had a great look in overtime.
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  And Taylor Strumlow just couldn't knock it down.
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  She's one at 10. Chitchat.
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  What was he she, 88 to 22? She took a lot of shots.
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  She took a lot of shots and she should have taken even more.
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  I mean, there was one that's wide open at the top of the
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  shot, cloud coming down. She doesn't even fire up the
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  shot, and there was a lot of that.
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  Well, there was. I mean, if you were, it was
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  hiding in her, right? Yeah, and nobody else.
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  The other thing is. Stalking.
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  I don't know. What did she finish with 10?
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  I don't remember. I think it was she had a double
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  double. She had like 19 rebounds.
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  Again, but yeah. Right.
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  How many Miss Bunnies? How many inside?
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  Her development was incredibly frustrating to watch.
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  You saw a player when she had CC with her that could run the
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  floor, get up and down, do some incredible things and just never
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  developed more than what she was A tremendous athlete.
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  As good of a rim runners, you're going to find a women's college
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  basketball, but there wasn't that next tier.
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  Never developed a jump shot at consistent level, improved, but
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  not at the levels I think we thought we were going to see
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  from her. You never got that out of her.
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  And obviously the Taylor McCabe injury, we saw it again was out
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  of both these games. When you don't have that kind of
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  shooter with the bigs that you have, it can be like this
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  chitchat, right was a 50% three-point shooter on the air
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  wasn't good enough strum will turn into a 40% three-point
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  shooter. She's won a 10 and to see the
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  stagnation on offense, I think that's where the question for
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  Jan Jensen's going to be right in the triangle offense and some
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  of the things that they've done and we saw it at the highest
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  level when you had that high low action was Stulkey in the high
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  post and and hide in the low posted.
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  When it was going good, it was really good.
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  But when Iowa couldn't get those first looks, there wasn't that
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  second option. And that has to be the question
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  going forward. If you're going to be a triangle
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  team, do it. But you have to recruit to that.
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  You have to have the right fits. You can't just, we're going to
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  try this. Sometimes you have to go in if
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  that's the kind of offense that you're going to run.
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  And I just didn't see enough different options out of it
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  different ways. Well, all right, they're
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  guarding the post and the fronting, so we can't throw it
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  in for the wing. OK, what are you going to do?
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  And there were no secondary actions.
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  And that would be the questions that I would have about what
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  they're trying to do offensively if they're going to get to the
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  point and he lose to A10 seat, yeah.
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  Who was in the playing game? Yes, the first team ever to come
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  for the play in game. Let's take a call.
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  Jeff's been on hold. And Jeff, welcome to the
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  program. How are you?
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  I'm doing well. I just want to touch base on a
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  couple of quick things because I couldn't call in yesterday.
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  That Iowa game for me for being 38, that's the biggest win that
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  I can remember. Now you could talk about 1999.
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  I don't remember 1999. So you know, and that's not, you
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  know, I think that's the biggest one as a one seed defending
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  champion. The way that the way that Ben
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  did it in my in Tampa, there was one section of Iowa fans there.
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  They struggled to win on the road this season to go down
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  there as a 10 1/2 point underdog.
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  No one gave them a shot to win probably besides them and the
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  family and the coaching staff. And again, the by and the belief
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  that we can go in there and just punk them to a team that was the
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  best rebounding team in the nation.
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  Plus 15 to that's a push. That's that's really like a 1515
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  rebound edge, a team that could do that undersized all season
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  long. You can talk about Purdue, you
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  can talk about bigger teams that how they struggled.
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  The coaching, the the belief in those kids and the coaching
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  staff to get that done is remarkable.
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  And and the chance they have here in that region with
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  Nebraska, who they beat, who they lost in overtime on the
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  road the last regular season game of the regular season, we
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  have all that. This is such a winnable game.
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  Yes, it's in Houston. Yes, the pick is expensive, but
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  if if you're a huge donor, if you're a Hawkeye fan, I don't
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  you have to go down there. Like, I mean, this is a could we
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  say a once in a 25 year run here.
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  Like for him to do that, for him to do that year one is unreal.
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  You know, it's funny you mention that Jeff, because trend I was
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  thinking about this last night. I mean, when you're doing talk
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  rating with whoever you're working with in 10 years, is it
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  Fast forward to 2036 and and McCollum got bounced in the
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  first round after not making the tournament the year before and
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  you're getting caught. Well, 10 years was long time
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  ago. Yes, absolutely that elite 8 was
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  a long time ago. What's he done lately?
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  So he set the bar pretty high, I guess, is my point, Right?
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  Go ahead, Jeff. And it can get higher.
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  That's the I mean you when you knock out the one seed of the
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  defending champion, like the bars got set, yeah, pretty high,
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  but it can get higher. That's the that's, that's the
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  remarkable part about this, about this squad.
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  Let's move on to Iowa State. I'm not going to We talked about
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  what they did without Jefferson. We have all that.
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  Here's where I'm I'm happy that you guys haven't LED with this
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  because it's eating me up. And maybe I'm just I'm going
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  down the rabbit hole and maybe I'm panicking because I'm a huge
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  Iowa State fan. I'm a big North Carolina fan.
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  We know Herbert Davis probably is going to get fired, but why?
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  What are they waiting for? That's my question.
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  What are they waiting for? Because they don't want to fire.
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  So they don't want to fire him. And I've been down this rabbit
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  hole, which I wish I shouldn't. They've put a lot of money in
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  the Belichick. They took a lot of money out of
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  the basketball fund to the football fund.
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  They got to make. They got to cross their T's dot
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  their eyes with and they and they don't want to fire him.
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  They kind of want to meet in the middle because that's the North
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  Carolina way, supposedly. So let's say they they work it,
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  he gets done. I wouldn't have guessed this.
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  OK, TJS the third choice at +500 to be the next North Carolina
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  coach. Let that soak in there.
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  So then I started going down. You know the rumor I heard
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  before that Before North Carolina?
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  Let me tell you and see if I'm and see if we're thinking the
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  same way. So then I start going down the
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  rabbit hole with Kansas if Bill Sells wants to retire.
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  And then I start looking And these aren't just these aren't
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  just bull crap websites. This is Las Vegas Sports.
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  Books. TJ is the second choice for the
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  Kansas job. Well, those that's Kelsey.
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  That's that's not a sports book, but yeah, go ahead.
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  Yeah. That's that's fine.
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  And you got Jock Von, which is a Kansas guy, which you would
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  think that would make sense. Would he ever leave for the
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  Kansas job? I would hope not.
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  The North Carolina job, if that's real.
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  And North North Carolina's sniffing around TJ with you
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  would assume more NIL. You would assume a bigger
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  payday. You could talk about Duke.
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  I grew up with North Carolina. When I think of college
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  basketball, I think of North Carolina.
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  Michael Jordan. Hello.
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  So I feel like that would be really, really, really, really
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  hard to turn down. If he turns down the North
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  Carolina, the Kansas job, I would believe he's probably
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  going to be there for a long, long time.
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  But if I'm asking you, how do you turn down a North Carolina
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  job? I would say means a lot to him.
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  It does, yes. Wife is one of the best players
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  ever come through the program. He's got great connections here.
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  His best friend is a big is a huge supporter of the program.
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  See, I heard Kentucky. That was the one I heard last
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  week was Kentucky. And ultimately they would play
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  them and Mark Popes team obviously would fall to them.
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  I like I said the same thing about Matt Campbell that I've
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  really felt like this guys planting some roots.
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  Yeah. And he's off to pen and I don't
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  blame him. He did the right thing.
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  I I can't let me go ahead. Let me say this.
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  Let me let me let me throw this out here.
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  If you're TJ and you know that the NIL is tapped out, they have
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  no more money. Maybe they're throwing money to
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  a cost country or to track and field, which is that's another
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  conversation for another day. But if they're tapped out, it's
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  supposedly at 7 and a half million, which like Trent said
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  before, who knows if those numbers are real.
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  I have no idea. But if they can't get any more
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  money and you look at a North Carolina or a Kentucky that's
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  spent 20 some million, which again, who knows if that's play
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  money, who freaking knows? But if you look at these other
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  programs and you say, you know what?
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  I don't know what else I can do at Iowa State.
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  The funds are tapped out or you know, we can't get our assistant
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  coaches more money or I can't get more money.
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  And you know, they can say it's not about money.
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  Does that change your opinion on him staying if that's the truth?
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  Certainly got to factor into it. Right.
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  I think that's a huge Ave. and it's a question.
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  Jeff, thanks for the call, man. Appreciate it.
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  I don't think any of us have a true answer of what it is.
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  I mean, there's a couple of people maybe I don't know how
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  much daddy listens to us or, or people like that, right?
• 17:36
  But those are the people that really don't.
• 17:39
  Those are the people that have the idea of what it is and,
• 17:42
  well, you know who's also. Up on on on the list for North
• 17:44
  Carolina and Ben McCollum, OH. Yes, yeah, saw that one.
• 17:48
  Float it out. Ben McCollum.
• 17:49
  Yes. I mean, somebody called in
• 17:51
  yesterday and said, think about the coaches we've got coaching
• 17:54
  college basketball year. I mean, these two guys both
• 17:56
  coveted, both coveted both in the Sweet 16.
• 18:00
  Ben McCollum in his first year, TJ, what he is, I mean, he took
• 18:04
  over a team that did win a game in the freaking conference,
• 18:06
  right? I mean come on, they worked
• 18:08
  what, 2 and 22 in the whole. And Proms last year and?
• 18:11
  Proms last year and boom instantly and and he's continued
• 18:16
  on down this path and now they're a game away from getting
• 18:20
  to the elite aid and taking on a Michigan team that looks
• 18:23
  beatable to look Michigan's really good.
• 18:24
  I don't want to say they're just going to steam.
• 18:26
  They're not. What are you hearing on
• 18:29
  Jefferson You? Going to make it a go.
• 18:32
  I kind of get the same feeling, yeah.
• 18:35
  A sprained ankle. I kind of get the same feeling.
• 18:38
  You get that second look, make sure there's nothing
• 18:40
  structurally wrong you go in there.
• 18:42
  And apparently all that that was clean.
• 18:44
  A week later, yeah, it's not going to be 100%, no.
• 18:48
  We've seen plenty of guys play on badly sprained ankles.
• 18:51
  And that old adrenaline takes all.
• 18:53
  Absolutely. And there's other shots that you
• 18:55
  can also do, sure, numb that thing up a little bit.
• 18:58
  Heck, I got one when I was 18 my senior year at Osage.
• 19:01
  I mean. They needed you trend.
• 19:02
  Well, not really. We need Condon out there.
• 19:05
  Yeah, You know when you need a 572 guard to miss a couple of
• 19:08
  three pointers, you got to get them out there.
• 19:10
  Absolutely that is the case. The other, the biggest component
• 19:14
  to me when it comes to Otzel Burger, a possibility, it goes
• 19:18
  back to 13 months ago when the contract extension was announced
• 19:22
  and the buyout went from $18.2 million and the new contract,
• 19:27
  the buyout became $4 million. That, I think, is something that
• 19:31
  has to, at minimum, linger in everybody's mind with the same
• 19:35
  80. It won't be there forever, by
• 19:38
  the way. It won't be there forever.
• 19:40
  Another clause in that, that if Pollard would leave, that buyout
• 19:43
  drops down to $2,000,000. But when you get a new contract
• 19:47
  and you see that buyout language go from 18 million to 4, I think
• 19:52
  that's something that at minimum you have to think about.
• 19:55
  Rob Doster field of 68 next Miller and Condon on a Tuesday
• 19:58
  to the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 20:03
  I'm Mallory Condon, welcome back 12:25.
• 20:05
  We're with you until 2:00. Scott Dr. Man from the Athletic
• 20:08
  coming up here in about 20 minutes.
• 20:10
  Let's get to our friend Rob Doster, field of 68.
• 20:13
  If you're not following the field of 68 on Twitter and
• 20:16
  you're a college basketball fan, you are missing out.
• 20:19
  Rob Trenton, Ken, thanks for finding time for us.
• 20:21
  You had a really good live look at you and the crew and I think
• 20:25
  Stanford, Steve was there. That had to be the Nebraska
• 20:29
  Vandy game That that that incredible finish when they made
• 20:33
  the shot and then Vandy comes down, almost goes in.
• 20:36
  Do you know the one I'm referring to?
• 20:37
  I'm guessing got a million hits. Yeah, it was.
• 20:40
  It was Santa Clara in Kentucky. It was the that's.
• 20:43
  What it was? Game where Santa Clara out the
• 20:45
  graves hit the three, which feels like that might as well
• 20:49
  have happened in 2020. Really Like that's how long ago
• 20:52
  Thursday and Friday feel like at this point.
• 20:54
  Yeah, no. Who's the most disappoint?
• 20:56
  I mean, obviously the Florida would be there one seed, but was
• 20:59
  there a team that you know that you were watching that that you
• 21:04
  were disappointed in how quickly they were gone from this
• 21:07
  tournament? Who is the most disappointing
• 21:09
  team to you? It's one that I think people in
• 21:14
  the great state of Iowa are going to be pretty familiar with
• 21:16
  at this point. You know, you're the reigning
• 21:18
  national champion. You come in with an SEC regular
• 21:22
  season and under your belt. You come in with a level of
• 21:26
  swagger and and a level of kind of what's the word word for
• 21:31
  confidence? It comes with being that Florida
• 21:34
  team and you go out in the first round where you kind of get like
• 21:39
  beat at your own thing by Iowa. That's kind of the way that I
• 21:42
  would phrase it, right, Like they they Iowa one on the glass
• 21:46
  against the team, you know, significantly bigger,
• 21:49
  significantly more athletic. They were able to run offense
• 21:54
  against the team that's supposed to be one of the better
• 21:56
  defensive teams in college basketball, were able to avoid
• 21:58
  turning the ball over and they just kind of controlled the game
• 22:02
  from from the start. And that's not something that's
• 22:04
  supposed to happen when you are, when you're Florida, when you
• 22:08
  are as good as that team is supposed to be, when you are as
• 22:12
  tough as the team supposed to be.
• 22:13
  So to me, that's the biggest disappointing.
• 22:16
  I thought Florida had a very real chance to repeat here, but
• 22:21
  it was not meant to be. Rob, we've been talking hoops,
• 22:24
  you and I for, I don't know, 12 years, 15 years now.
• 22:27
  It's been a long time, I know, since our past first crossed.
• 22:30
  And you know, my affinity for Iowa basketball.
• 22:32
  It's been a long, long, dry winter for me or throughout this
• 22:36
  time. But here we are and finally back
• 22:38
  in the Sweet 16 since my freshman year at the University
• 22:41
  of Iowa. It's been a long time, Rob.
• 22:43
  Ben McCollum, I want to just get your perspective.
• 22:45
  I was so excited when you had time to join us today because we
• 22:49
  see it here, but in the basketball community, we know
• 22:52
  how well thought of he is. Give us your thoughts on Ben
• 22:55
  McCollum, and not just the job that he did this year, but the
• 22:58
  possibility of something maybe special going forward for Iowa
• 23:00
  hoops. Yeah, I mean, look, you got one
• 23:04
  of the best coaches in college basketball.
• 23:07
  You know, I think that's kind of where you've got to be excited,
• 23:10
  right? Like, there's a reason why Ben
• 23:13
  McCollum has won every level thing you've been.
• 23:15
  There's a reason why he was just so dominant division two level.
• 23:19
  There's a reason why he steps up to the major level and he's able
• 23:23
  to do what he does with Drake. There's a reason why you're
• 23:25
  going to the NCAA tournament your first season in the Big 10
• 23:29
  with a roster of guys that like some of them were division two.
• 23:33
  Like Bennett starts as a as an All American and he was a guy
• 23:38
  that when Ben had him at Northwest Missouri State was not
• 23:42
  even the first team all Concord guy, let alone the first team
• 23:44
  all American. He wasn't the first team all
• 23:45
  conference guy in Northwest Missouri State.
• 23:48
  And McCollum saw something that dude, you know, there's there's
• 23:52
  something to be said for just really understanding how to be
• 23:56
  able to create the matchups you want, how to be able to be
• 24:01
  efficient with what you're trying to run and being able to
• 24:04
  kind of get your the, the confidence that you have and
• 24:09
  your execution and getting a team to buy into that when
• 24:12
  they're going up. You got an all American point
• 24:17
  guard. But the rest of those guys
• 24:18
  probably are going to be finding something else to do other than
• 24:21
  basketball within what, like the next 5 to 6 years at the most,
• 24:24
  right? And they're going to be a team
• 24:27
  that has Tommy Hawkins lottery pick and Alex Condon is going to
• 24:31
  end up being an NBA player. Ruben Cheniello is going to end
• 24:33
  up being an NBA player. And maybe I don't for playing
• 24:37
  the league, but he's going to be playing in some league for a
• 24:39
  while and buggy slams like NBA potentially you're going up
• 24:43
  against a team full of pros and you find a way to be able to
• 24:46
  beat them with their own. Just it's really, really, really
• 24:49
  impressive. And I it might not be the most
• 24:52
  aesthetically pleasing brand of basketball because of the pace
• 24:55
  that I will play that, but they're really good.
• 24:58
  And this is the thing that impressed for the most, right?
• 25:00
  A lot of times the easiest thing to do when you are the underdog
• 25:05
  and you're going up against the team that is going to try to
• 25:08
  press you, that's going to try to speed the tempo, that's going
• 25:10
  to try to make the game be a little bit more more up and down
• 25:16
  than you want it to be, is to break pressure and go in and
• 25:19
  attack and go try to take a leg or try to make a shot at the
• 25:21
  rim. And if you go back and you
• 25:23
  watch, I would never did that, They would have like three or
• 25:27
  two opportunities after breaking the press and they were just
• 25:29
  kind of getting her off and to go set it up like the control
• 25:32
  over the command they had over the tempo that the game was
• 25:35
  played at is is something that should be studied for
• 25:38
  generations. It was incredible.
• 25:41
  Your thoughts on Iowa State and where they're at?
• 25:43
  They'll obviously they'll take on the Tennessee team led by
• 25:46
  Gillespie. Your thoughts on the clones?
• 25:48
  Jefferson may or may not trending positive, but still a
• 25:52
  long way from Friday I. Mean look man, if if he plays,
• 25:56
  he's not going to be himself. There's no way possible, you
• 26:00
  know, you can talk to native men injured his ankle, what is it
• 26:03
  like 6 weeks ago now? And he's still the same guy that
• 26:06
  he was before that ankle injury happened.
• 26:08
  Silas Demery had nine days between the biggest tournament
• 26:12
  title game and he played in on Sunday.
• 26:16
  And like, he wasn't close to being himself or being what he
• 26:20
  he normally is. You know, the thing about ankle
• 26:23
  injuries is that they're painful, but he would take a
• 26:27
  couple, take some meds, right? You take that thing up as tight
• 26:31
  as you can. You let the adrenaline get
• 26:33
  flawed. You don't really feel it as
• 26:35
  much, but you don't have that explosiveness.
• 26:38
  Like you don't have that quick twitch, that quick burst, the
• 26:41
  side to side stuff. And if there is one benefit for
• 26:44
  Josh Jefferson is that that too hard?
• 26:47
  He doesn't have any of that. Like he already isn't quick.
• 26:50
  He already isn't like good laterally, already isn't fast or
• 26:53
  super explosive. So I do think that there's a
• 26:56
  chance that he could get in the game.
• 26:59
  I will I'll say that I think that I think that Iowa State
• 27:06
  wins without Tennessee. I just I think their guards are
• 27:09
  too much defensively. And the thing that's great about
• 27:12
  them and the thing that's so difficult to deal with is that
• 27:14
  they're going to make you run your offense starting like 40
• 27:16
  feet away from that. So I just I think Iowa State has
• 27:20
  enough. It doesn't mean that they're
• 27:21
  going to win, but I think they certainly have enough because if
• 27:24
  they, and I don't want this to sound like a shot at Joshua
• 27:29
  Jefferson, but I think a large part of why he's an all American
• 27:32
  is a product of the system more than it is like the simple fact
• 27:35
  that he's a surefire. Like if he goes and plays for, I
• 27:40
  don't know, like Houston, like he's not an all American just
• 27:42
  because he's an all American. He's an all American really damn
• 27:46
  good player that happens to play in a system at the perfect pit
• 27:48
  form. So I think there's enough there
• 27:51
  to be able to to win without him.
• 27:53
  And that's just kind of the culture and everything that TJ
• 27:57
  has developed and built there. We have 6 teams from the Big 10
• 28:00
  in the Sweet 16. It's a record for the Big 10.
• 28:03
  But does any of that matter? Or is it all about if we're
• 28:05
  talking about superiority in the Big 10, finally taking that next
• 28:09
  step and becoming the best conference in America?
• 28:12
  Does it have to conclude with the National championship?
• 28:13
  It is. Is it as simple as that for this
• 28:15
  conference as a whole? Because this has been the knock
• 28:18
  against him for 1/4 century now. They can't win a national
• 28:21
  championship. Is it as simple as that Doster?
• 28:24
  Look, I don't think that counting the number of teams
• 28:27
  that you get into to a certain round of the tournament is going
• 28:31
  to tell you who the best conference is or who the worst
• 28:33
  conference is, right? Like I think the Big 10 is
• 28:36
  really, really good. I think that they've been
• 28:38
  really, really good for a while. They just haven't had that elite
• 28:41
  level team. And when they have had one,
• 28:43
  they've run into something like UConn in 2024.
• 28:47
  This year, I think that you looked at Michigan, you look at
• 28:51
  Illinois, and you have two teams that are certainly good enough
• 28:54
  to get you to a Final Four. And if you're good enough to get
• 28:56
  to a Final Four in this era, you're going to be good enough
• 28:59
  to be able to compete with the teams that are also in the Final
• 29:01
  Four. So I think getting six teams in
• 29:04
  is great and it's awesome and it's a really good, you know,
• 29:07
  it's something that the conference can kind of stand on.
• 29:09
  I don't think it tells you who the best conference is.
• 29:13
  For me, it's still the Big 12. Like I think if you look at the
• 29:16
  top of the Big 12, you look at the coaches and teams and
• 29:18
  everything in that league, that's the best conference in
• 29:20
  college basketball. But Michigan is, I mean, they're
• 29:24
  healthiest at the right time. They're they're good teams are
• 29:27
  playing the best at the right time.
• 29:28
  But are you going to sit here and tell me that that Iowa is a
• 29:31
  better team than Florida just because Iowa won that game?
• 29:33
  No, I don't think anyone believes that.
• 29:35
  And all if you got Ben McComb the moment of honesty, he'd
• 29:38
  probably tell you that Florida is a better team.
• 29:41
  They just beat him on that night.
• 29:42
  So that's the beauty of the tournament.
• 29:44
  Drawing overarching conclusion about what is happening in the
• 29:48
  sport from a game, knockout event is generally speaking, not
• 29:53
  a good idea. But it's also the most fun way
• 29:54
  to cover this sport Like, and it's fun to just push all of
• 29:58
  your your agendas, you know, because there's if there's one
• 30:01
  thing you can do in the tournament, you can always find
• 30:03
  a way to argue your point, right.
• 30:05
  So you know what, I'm with you. The the big 10, they proved it
• 30:09
  best team, best league in college basketball.
• 30:10
  They're going to have two teams in the national title.
• 30:13
  Guarantee that they're going to win a championship here.
• 30:16
  Rob Doser from the Field of 68. My question is kind of a selfish
• 30:20
  one. I need Arizona and Arkansas
• 30:23
  scares the crap out of me. A Cuff is a different player is
• 30:27
  Arkansas are are they live in this game?
• 30:30
  Do you think Rob did? Should Arizona you know be be
• 30:35
  not fearful but they may be in in a tough spot against this
• 30:39
  Calipari LED Razorback squad. I don't think so.
• 30:43
  Good. Now look, can Darius A Cup go
• 30:49
  for like 40 points and eight assists and turn this into the
• 30:52
  Darius A Cup show and look like the best player in college
• 30:55
  basketball and go out there and win this game all on his own?
• 30:57
  Yes, he's certainly capable of doing that.
• 31:00
  But Arizona is, in my mind, best team in the country right now.
• 31:04
  They had two really, really good, tough, physical guards in
• 31:07
  the back court that can guard him and they are the best job
• 31:10
  coverage team in the sport. And I don't see Darius A Cup
• 31:13
  being able to finish over Crevas at the rim.
• 31:16
  If he's going to beat you, it's going to be through a steady
• 31:18
  diet, like kind of tough mid range pull ups.
• 31:20
  And I don't think that necessarily is bread and butter.
• 31:23
  So I I don't the way I phrase it is I don't think Arkansas guards
• 31:29
  well enough to be able to slow down Arizona to the point that
• 31:33
  they can score enough that they can win this game.
• 31:36
  Like I just, I think that they're going to, I don't think
• 31:39
  it can stop Arizona. I think Arizona puts up 90 and I
• 31:42
  don't think Arkansas against that Arizona defense will be
• 31:44
  able to match that. So not only do I like Arizona to
• 31:47
  win, I think Arizona is going to cover.
• 31:48
  I think that is not going to necessarily be all that
• 31:51
  interesting everything. Yeah, that defense for Arkansas
• 31:53
  always pops up. That Florida team we talked
• 31:55
  about earlier just put a butter 11 against him not too long ago.
• 31:58
  Doster, St. John's, Duke.
• 32:00
  It's fun. Remember those games from the
• 32:02
  early 2000s? They played in the Garden one
• 32:04
  year as Eric Barkley, I think, went off for St.
• 32:06
  John's. You're a Northeast guy though,
• 32:08
  Brucey. Thornton man, come on, put some
• 32:10
  respect on Brucey Thornton's. Name.
• 32:11
  There you go. There you go.
• 32:13
  You're a Northeast guy. I don't know if we get it here
• 32:16
  in the Midwest, what St. John's basketball and what it
• 32:18
  means in New York City. Can he fill us in a little bit?
• 32:21
  Because it just, it's so it's different.
• 32:23
  It's odd. We hear of New York City, you
• 32:25
  think of professional sports. Why does St.
• 32:27
  John's matter so much? Well, it didn't.
• 32:30
  For 25 years, that's true. For 25 years, the city forgot
• 32:33
  that it existed. But she brought back a guy like
• 32:35
  Rick Pitino, who everybody in New York kind of identifies
• 32:39
  with. But he is a New Yorker at his
• 32:41
  core, and he brought back a level of swagger and he brought
• 32:44
  back a level of toughness. And he understands what what New
• 32:49
  York means or what New Yorkers think of themselves because he
• 32:52
  is 1. He's been able to take that
• 32:54
  identity and shove it into a basketball program.
• 32:57
  He's been able to get a billionaire to come in behind
• 32:59
  him and be able to spend the money that he needs to be able
• 33:03
  to get the players that he wants.
• 33:05
  And he's been able to get a program and a team to the point
• 33:09
  where they are championship. But I don't know if you guys
• 33:11
  remember this, but we had very well real questions about
• 33:15
  whether or not St. John's was going to make the
• 33:16
  tournament in like December after they lost to Kentucky.
• 33:20
  We're like, is this is this is this team?
• 33:22
  Are they going to make tournament after they lost the
• 33:24
  province? St.
• 33:25
  John was on the bubble and then they lost one game since then,
• 33:28
  one. Now, they got their pants
• 33:31
  completely pulled down by UConn in that game, but they've lost
• 33:34
  one game since that province because they figured out how to
• 33:38
  defend, figured out how to be able to kind of play with a
• 33:42
  bigger lineup. There's a level of toughness
• 33:44
  that permeates this roster that was not there as recently as two
• 33:49
  months ago. And to me, that is coaching,
• 33:52
  that is, that is developing your player, that is getting your
• 33:56
  guys to buy into what you're doing.
• 33:57
  Like all of the stuff that you need to be able to do in
• 33:59
  college. And look, you've done an
• 34:02
  unbelievable job, man. That's going to be a war, I
• 34:05
  think. I think ultimately Duke ends up
• 34:09
  winning this game just because I think Pat and Gong were back.
• 34:12
  They're too good. But Saint John is going to give
• 34:14
  them a fight, man, Like they they are going to give Duke a
• 34:17
  fight. So we'll we'll see how this
• 34:18
  plays out. Good stuff.
• 34:20
  Rob Doster, the Field of 68. Check them out on X every single
• 34:23
  day following the games you guys are on for what, about an hour
• 34:26
  and a half following the games when everybody else's coverage
• 34:28
  is gone for the night, Field of 68 takes over and takes.
• 34:32
  You while they sleep, we talk and.
• 34:34
  That's right, buddy. We're great.
• 34:37
  We're grateful for it. Thank you, Rob.
• 34:39
  I appreciate you finding time for us here in Iowa.
• 34:41
  Thanks, Rob Doster. Always a pleasure, gentlemen.
• 34:44
  Yeah, good to talk to you. Rob Doster field of 68 as we
• 34:47
  check in on the hoops. I'll take your time out.
• 34:50
  Come back. Scott Dockerman is next.
• 34:52
  Miller and Condon on Des Moines Sports Station one O 6.3 KXNO Hi
• 34:57
  Miller and Condon welcome back 1245 Tommy Birch in the second
• 35:01
  hour of the program talk about the Iowa State women put a bow
• 35:04
  on their season with Tommy. Maybe preview a little AAA
• 35:07
  baseball down at principal park. I Cubs begin their season coming
• 35:12
  up on Friday opening day downtown Des Moines.
• 35:14
  Let's talk to our friend Scott Dr. and he covers a whole lot of
• 35:16
  things for the athletic football, basketball, college
• 35:20
  football, the draft etcetera. It never takes it seems like
• 35:24
  very few dull moments right doc? There's always something out
• 35:27
  there for you, which is good, I guess, if you're in the
• 35:29
  business. Yeah, you want it to be this way
• 35:33
  and yeah, to been a little bit crazier, you know, with, you
• 35:37
  know, where you're not doing anything like in the COVID year.
• 35:40
  But no, it's been good every day, actually parts of every day
• 35:43
  have been different. And I guess that's better than
• 35:46
  than the alternative. So the Iowa women their season
• 35:49
  came to an end disappointing barely won on you were there
• 35:52
  barely won Saturday got beat yesterday by a team that was in
• 35:56
  the playing game in Virginia and came out of that to 10 seed
• 35:58
  knocked off A2 disappointing end to to the Iowa women's season
• 36:02
  Scott. Yeah.
• 36:04
  And first, let me correct you. It's not a play in game, it's a
• 36:06
  first four-game. Beg your pardon.
• 36:08
  You learned first hand, yes. Yes, yeah, it it was a
• 36:12
  disappointing end and it was one that I mean, I didn't, I thought
• 36:16
  they were they, they had overachieved during the year
• 36:21
  because other than Ava Haydn it it and and Hannah Stoelke to an
• 36:26
  extent, I thought that they just didn't have the the pieces
• 36:30
  necessary to reach, you know, the Sweet 16, certainly second
• 36:33
  in the Big 10, which they did. They played really well to do
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  that. Very inconsistent, obviously
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  from three-point range. They were dreadful in these two
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  playoff games. And, you know, from the free
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  throw line, they, they had opportunities, didn't convert
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  and, and they are sitting at home and, and it's, it's
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  disappointing for them, but I think it, it also brings up some
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  questions for what they need going forward and the lack of of
• 37:01
  a true shooter from the perimeter and, you know, and
• 37:05
  really somebody who could create shots.
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  I think you saw that they they missed both of those really, you
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  know, quite a bit, especially in this game against Virginia.
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  Carrying the momentum of Caitlin Clark is big back-to-back
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  tournaments. That's a good thing.
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  In Jay and Jensen's first two years.
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  Are they equipped in the portal to still be able to go out there
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  and get a couple of big fish? They were able a couple years
• 37:28
  ago to get Lucy Olsen, which was huge for them.
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  Are they still at that level and the momentum and the finances
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  still there for them to be able to compete at the highest level
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  of the portal this offseason? Yeah, sure it is.
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  Absolutely. I mean, you know, do they have
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  the most money? I don't know.
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  I don't think they quite have the most, but they have more
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  than most. And when you look at what they
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  brought to the table yesterday, I was really surprised to see, I
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  mean, the crowd, it was a sold out arena and it was as loud and
• 37:59
  engaged as it ever has been. I think, you know, this year was
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  you look in totality, it's easy to be disappointed and point out
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  all the the shortcomings this team had.
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  But you also have to say this is one of the better coaches
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  coaching jobs that Jan Jensen did.
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  Now, we can criticize some of the decisions, in game
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  decisions, I think at the end of the regulation and overtime and
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  point out to some of the inefficiencies there.
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  But I think when you look at the grand scheme, you know, to do
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  what she was able to do with this team and this roster, I
• 38:32
  think it speaks to what I was more than capable of doing.
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  And then you have one of the best players in the country
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  coming in, you know, and McKenna Lesko, I think they are very
• 38:44
  much well positioned to continue to compete at a very high level,
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  whether it's in the portal and then on the floor.
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  What what on the men doc? Obviously Sunday night was just
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  amazing to get that monkey off the fan bases proverbial back,
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  if you will, collective back the the lack of Sweet 16 runs, just
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  an amazing to knock off the defending champ, A1 seed,
• 39:06
  etcetera. Your thoughts on the momentum
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  that McCollum in the Eye will men's program carries forward
• 39:12
  into next year whenever this run from this year does come to an
• 39:16
  end? I think you see it that there's
• 39:20
  nothing like March and Iowa fans knew it.
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  And right now everything is sky high.
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  It's it's house money, if you will, when you talk about where
• 39:30
  this program is. But it also shows that there are
• 39:33
  a lot of opportunities for this program to to take steps forward
• 39:37
  because as Ragtaggy is at times as Iowa women look to the men
• 39:41
  are even more so that way, other than one player and to to beat
• 39:45
  A-Team like Florida basically on the road defending champions,
• 39:50
  number one seed. And to do it the way they did
• 39:53
  it, they have now have that chance to say, just imagine what
• 39:56
  we could do if we had a real center or if we had, you know,
• 40:00
  somebody who could really break down the defense.
• 40:02
  I mean, granted, Brent Bennett search is a terrific point
• 40:05
  guard, but they still have. You know, they they really have
• 40:09
  just a a very pedestrian roster outside of him.
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  And I think, you know, Ben McCollum is proving his chops.
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  I mean, why he won all those national titles at at Northwest
• 40:19
  Missouri State. It's not just because it was a
• 40:21
  lower level, it's because he knows the sport.
• 40:23
  So I think the momentum is very high and I think it's high among
• 40:26
  the fan base. It has to be.
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  I mean, that was I, I, I don't say this lightly and it's
• 40:31
  certainly not hyperbolic, but I think that's as big of a shot
• 40:34
  Iowa's made from Alvaro Fragaris as since Kevin Gamble in 1987 in
• 40:40
  the Sweet 16. So I think this is this is
• 40:43
  something that will re energize this fan base that had been
• 40:47
  largely apathetic and dormant for quite a while.
• 40:51
  I can vividly remember jumping up from my couch in my living
• 40:54
  room in New Haven, Iowa, watching Kevin Gable knock that
• 40:56
  one down to knock off Oklahoma and set the scene for two days
• 41:00
  later when I was crying after the UNLV loss.
• 41:02
  But that's a story for another day, Doc.
• 41:04
  One more for me on the Iowa basketball front.
• 41:06
  And now what we get this match up against Nebraska.
• 41:10
  I don't know if there's a media member that enjoys trolling,
• 41:14
  having fun with the rivalry between Iowa, Nebraska quite as
• 41:18
  much as you do, Doc. So I mean, are you kind of
• 41:20
  getting your fingers ready, the keyboard ready to go?
• 41:22
  This should be a fun one and a border rivalry that didn't make
• 41:25
  your top 50 basketball rivalries.
• 41:27
  But maybe we'll in the future if you revisit that column in
• 41:30
  another 5-10 years. It's true, but except I I don't
• 41:34
  really like trolling. It just kind of accidentally
• 41:37
  happened and and that and that's just I'm like, hey.
• 41:41
  I don't want to do this. Leave me alone, You know,
• 41:43
  especially with the Caitlin Clark effect stuff that was like
• 41:46
  so innocent. But, but, but I digress.
• 41:49
  I it's amazing because I, I mean, I think Iowa historically
• 41:53
  has 2 indefinite rivals in in Illinois and, and Iowa State and
• 41:59
  they're both in the Sweet 16 and they could play Illinois after
• 42:02
  Nebraska, but the Iowa Nebraska series and in all sports.
• 42:06
  But now basketball, too, has taken it over to the point where
• 42:10
  it is a real, you know, it is that's real.
• 42:14
  And I think it's really fascinating that you see Iowa
• 42:17
  get to the Sweet 16 for the first time in 27 years and
• 42:20
  Nebraska win a NBA tournament game for the first time ever and
• 42:25
  it's in the same season and they're meeting.
• 42:27
  I can imagine the thought process from Nebraska fans.
• 42:30
  They wouldn't admit it out loud, but is that did it have to be
• 42:35
  Iowa? You know, if if you're going to
• 42:37
  lose, you know, Florida, Oh well, you know, we had a great
• 42:40
  season. We really enjoyed it.
• 42:41
  But but the thought of I don't think they'd really want to
• 42:44
  stomach the loss to Iowa. And and I I don't know, it's
• 42:47
  quite the same for Iowa fans in basketball because of this year
• 42:51
  was didn't have the same trajectory.
• 42:53
  But I do think it's it's really interesting.
• 42:56
  But yeah, Mitch Sherman and I are combining on a kind of a,
• 43:00
  you know, an examination, let's say, of series and where it's
• 43:05
  going. So that's going to come out
• 43:06
  tomorrow. Yeah, I saw something from Steve
• 43:08
  Sippler. I know you know his radio show.
• 43:11
  The quote on it yesterday is we all know that this freaking
• 43:14
  state hates Iowa because they beat us in everything.
• 43:17
  They're going to the second weekend of the tournament for
• 43:19
  the first time ever. And in your way, that bleep in
• 43:22
  Iowa, Hawkeyes. So it's absolutely legit, Doc.
• 43:27
  There's no time to talk football because we wouldn't be doing it
• 43:29
  justice. We'll save that for the next
• 43:32
  time you're able to join Trent and I.
• 43:34
  I will reach out. I know you're busy.
• 43:35
  Thanks for jumping on for a few minutes, Scott Dockerman.
• 43:38
  We look forward to that piece with you and Mitch.
• 43:40
  Thank you doc. Thanks for having me,
• 43:42
  appreciate. Good to talk to you.
• 43:43
  Scott Dockerman from The Athletic.
• 43:45
  Yeah. Did you see that from?
• 43:47
  Simple, I didn't know. Saying that, and in a way that
• 43:49
  bleeping Iowa Hawkeyes would not be something.
• 43:52
  Bring it on. Oh, this game is going to be
• 43:56
  great. It is, and it just adds to it.
• 43:57
  I mean, it was going to be great for Iowa to be in there, but but
• 44:00
  against Nebraska? And it's not like it's going
• 44:03
  away. I mean, Fred's not going.
• 44:04
  In no, I don't know, he signed. What did he sign through 2031?
• 44:08
  A new deal? You got a Iowa kid that's going
• 44:10
  over there and Colin Rice, who is leaving after his senior
• 44:13
  year, completes here from Waukee Northwest.
• 44:15
  So he'll be playing for the Huskers.
• 44:17
  The guy that. Was what was the tie there?
• 44:19
  Do you know just want to leave the state?
• 44:21
  No, I, I don't know about that. I mean, he had plenty of offers.
• 44:25
  I think it's Hoiberg, I mean. You want to play for Fred?
• 44:27
  OK. Absolutely.
• 44:28
  Yeah. I mean, he's a very talented
• 44:30
  offensive player. Yeah.
• 44:32
  It's a good place to go, absolutely.
• 44:34
  So I think it was kind of as simple as that.
• 44:36
  So he'll be over there. You'll have that another year.
• 44:38
  Price, Sanford, obviously you got that connection.
• 44:40
  What a year he had Trent. God, I was wrong on him.
• 44:43
  What shirt Peyton wear? He's at the game Thursday night.
• 44:48
  Oh, he's. Wearing Nebraska.
• 44:51
  Just a Price shirt though, right?
• 44:52
  Yes, yes. That's his little brother.
• 44:55
  I mean, apparently they're really, really close, right?
• 44:57
  Yes. So yeah, we'll see our 2 coming
• 45:02
  up next. We got some time for open
• 45:04
  phones. You want to jump aboard Tommy
• 45:06
  Birch, 125, Miller and Condon with you until 2:00 on the Iowa
• 45:10
  Sports Radio Network.