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2073 - Pop and Bravo with Kate Casey · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Peak Shade. It's Thursday. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about pop culture and Bravo and there's nobody
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  Speaker 1: better on the planet to discuss it with than my
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  Speaker 1: pal Kate Casey, the amazing Comma k Casey.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I am elated
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  Speaker 2: to be here. Thought about it all night long as
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  Speaker 2: I watched from my couch watching the Summer House reunion
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  Speaker 2: that I knew that we would be brought together today
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  Speaker 2: to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't watch Summerhouse, but I like
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  Speaker 1: to have people on that do talk about it because
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  Speaker 1: all the rattling off of the things I'm seeing is
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  Speaker 1: that Amanda seems stoned or doesn't seem to have any
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  Speaker 1: reactions and maybe she took a little xanax. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it does remind me of when Vicky Gumbelson didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to discuss the Brooks cancer situation. So Brian moylan
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  Speaker 2: told me this morning that a producer told him and
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  Speaker 2: actually played the audio of her complaining saying I only
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  Speaker 2: took half a xanax, so maybe she took like three xanaxes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that she was like a devoid of
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  Speaker 2: but he did too. But then again, I also feel
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  Speaker 2: like they're the kind of people that maybe have got
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  Speaker 2: some sort of you know, Watts line to like the
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  Speaker 2: good the good stuff that people are doing today that
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know about. So they were on something
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  Speaker 2: because they didn't really answer any question, And I would
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  Speaker 2: think that's going to be a big problem moving forward
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  Speaker 2: for this network, is that they need to make sure
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  Speaker 2: certain shows that I think you drug test them. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: it's just you get you can't do that to a network.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're paid to be a reality star, and
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  Speaker 2: then you get to the reunion, then you don't answer
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  Speaker 2: questions because you've taken a pill. That's a problem to me.
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  Speaker 2: I think that those two are probably gone, maybe gone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I definitely don't think West is coming back.
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  Speaker 1: But people did also point out somebody pointed out that
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  Speaker 1: how quickly we forgot that his cousin murdered his step grandmother,
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  Speaker 1: like the day before the reunion.
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  Speaker 2: No, apparently he didn't know about that till after the reunion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't know about him.
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  Speaker 2: My first I was with you. I was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: now I feel terrible, But then I found out he
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  Speaker 2: didn't find out about it till afterward.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't understand the attraction to him, But
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  Speaker 1: I also have never arned.
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  Speaker 2: He's very charming. I interviewed him once. He's charming, but
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  Speaker 2: that was the first season, and then the second season
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  Speaker 2: I thought, m he's gone, baby gone. He just seemed
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  Speaker 2: like the fame and other extenuating circumstances did not make
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  Speaker 2: him the same person. And I think he's probably an
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  Speaker 2: innate people pleaser. I think having attentions extraordinarily important to him.
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  Speaker 2: And I also think that he has opportunities that the
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  Speaker 2: other cast doesn't because he's in a sort of a
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  Speaker 2: like a different vortex with his his day job, and
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  Speaker 2: then in the podcast space, he's more of like a
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  Speaker 2: like he's into that sports adjacent world. I think that,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know the Jen Fessler situation. He's probably
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  Speaker 2: thinking himself, I don't want a middle aged woman audience.
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  Speaker 2: I want to like go more into the sports field.
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  Speaker 2: There's you know, it's a bigger space for me. You
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  Speaker 2: can't tell me that after forty thousand new followers after
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  Speaker 2: the scandal erupted, that the people around him are not like,
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  Speaker 2: get off this train. Also, I will tell you as
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  Speaker 2: somebody who has to interview talent, or has interview talent
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  Speaker 2: over the last ten years, it would be a big,
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  Speaker 2: big no no for a cast member to have a
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  Speaker 2: scandal like that which happened in March. They would be
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  Speaker 2: told don't discuss it anywhere until the reunion, because they
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  Speaker 2: want them all to discuss their reunions. We're too much.
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  Speaker 2: He's got forty thousand new followers. He has a deluge
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  Speaker 2: of gms of telling me he's a horrible person. He's
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  Speaker 2: probably getting calls from brands and other things who don't
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  Speaker 2: really necessarily care about this. They just want somebody who
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  Speaker 2: has a big following is in the center of a
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  Speaker 2: news story to do things, and then he has to
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  Speaker 2: be careful because it can't violate this. I think he goes,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I went off this drain. This is
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  Speaker 2: even where I want to end up. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: looking at Paige. He's like, look at all the great
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  Speaker 2: stuff she's doing. I don't really want to be on this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he will end up with Amanda now.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's probably got a lot of women that
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  Speaker 2: he's juggling. I think he feels like he's stuck right now.
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  Speaker 2: He's waiting for the next big news story to happen
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  Speaker 2: so he can like kind of weasele his way out.
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  Speaker 2: But they're stuck together right now because of the sake
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  Speaker 2: of the show and the contracts and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So I think he's dart in his eyes. He's looking
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  Speaker 2: for the exits. And I think that she has she's
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  Speaker 2: devotive of personality. She always tries to find guys that
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  Speaker 2: have a personality and she can sort of ride the crowtails.
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  Speaker 2: She's a romantic climber. She looks for relationships where she
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  Speaker 2: can get access and opportunity. And they were in a
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  Speaker 2: miserable marriage for a long time. We know now because
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  Speaker 2: the reunion that they didn't have sex after they got married,
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  Speaker 2: so that was four years ago. So that sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a partnership to me.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she just sits around in her bed all day.
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  Speaker 2: We know that we went from the city in the
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  Speaker 2: city when we went to her apartment with that. She's
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  Speaker 2: basically borderline hoarder. Yes, so she's very lazy. I again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why they stayed together other than the
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  Speaker 2: television opportunity. The other thing is you feel terrible for
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  Speaker 2: all of these people, And then between the Summerhouse reunion,
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  Speaker 2: like the last ten minutes and the beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: In the City, I saw about what seemed like twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven commercials with the cast members for different brands, and
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  Speaker 2: then I'm like, they're all monetizing off this, so maybe
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't feel so bad for them at all.
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  Speaker 1: Is west On that in the City show?
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  Speaker 2: No No he made? No, no, no he made. He was
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  Speaker 2: in a scene with Sierra and Amanda last week where
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  Speaker 2: Amanda's really on in the city and they met for
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  Speaker 2: dinner outside and they're short of like their body languages
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  Speaker 2: off the netnut from the reunions. People are trying to
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  Speaker 2: put the timelines together. I mean they tried to suggest
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  Speaker 2: they started to have feelings for each other after the
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl, which was February third. I mean I think
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  Speaker 2: they if they were having sex, they were definitely gonna
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  Speaker 2: get there well before that. And he said something like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of fell for her because I saw how
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  Speaker 2: happy she was because we have the same friend group,
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  Speaker 2: and I see her out now and she seems so happy,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like something was happening before. It felt like
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  Speaker 2: she gave him a cheat sheet of answers, and then
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  Speaker 2: he had forgotten about the answers. You know, I used
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  Speaker 2: to quarterback. Then he got to the huddle and he
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  Speaker 2: was like, wait, what player are we doing? Like he
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  Speaker 2: completely forgot about it. Now again he said he was
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  Speaker 2: on He did sit confirming he was on Beta blockers.
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  Speaker 2: But also he reminded me of the sister and sixteen
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  Speaker 2: candles who went on the muscle relaxers loft. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what he took, but they were not there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they were not there, and so it was
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  Speaker 2: a bit of an So they're gonna have an aftermath
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  Speaker 2: another episode, and I can't imagine the network would be
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  Speaker 2: happy about that. Now. People would go, but that's another
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  Speaker 2: episode in advertising dollars. But it's also you've got to
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  Speaker 2: get a crew. You got to facilitate it. You got
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  Speaker 2: the lighting has to be right, the sound has to
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  Speaker 2: be right. You have to make sure that they're willing
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  Speaker 2: and open to discuss the matter at hand. You'd have
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  Speaker 2: to isolate Amanda from West because I think she's telling
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  Speaker 2: him what to say. Now, Kyle said at the reunion, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of isolating Amanda, like you keep her to yourself. No,
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  Speaker 2: Amanda is the person who don't want to leave her apartment.
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  Speaker 2: She like DAPs at her bed all day. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's the issue. I do think she was
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  Speaker 2: giving them notes. I don't think he remembered it because
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  Speaker 2: he would took the bit beta blocker. Plus, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know he'd again. I like his guy wants out. He's
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  Speaker 2: like and they're asking him, you to stay together, and
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  Speaker 2: he's like, hamah ahamad, ahama ahamada, and admitted that he'd
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  Speaker 2: been sleeping with this other girl that was She's basically
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  Speaker 2: like she was like Caroline looking into the light and Poltergeist.
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  Speaker 2: But the one time she showed emotion was they brought
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  Speaker 2: up the fact that he's been like sleeping with this
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  Speaker 2: other girl and they asked her, asked him about it,
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  Speaker 2: and she said something like, well, once we made the announcement,
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  Speaker 2: and by the announcement, I mean that Amanda wrote somebody
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  Speaker 2: with chachipe teen posted on scrim stories and made him
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  Speaker 2: repost it. Then we were exclusive. But then archival photography
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  Speaker 2: showed that the girlfriend was with west In like April.
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  Speaker 2: I think that all was coming to fruition where she
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  Speaker 2: was like in the moment of clarity, she was like, ooh, Alza,
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was the only one. Now. Brian thinks
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  Speaker 2: what happened is that he said something like You've always
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  Speaker 2: been the one. I've always been in love with you,
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  Speaker 2: and so all this other girl stuff probably didn't matter
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  Speaker 2: because she was like, well, it's always been me he's
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  Speaker 2: been in love with because she's living in like in
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  Speaker 2: John Hughes movie in her head, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so she thinks they're gonna add him together again. This guy,
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  Speaker 2: he's a guy in high school who had like a
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend at the high school, but he also had one
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  Speaker 2: of the neighbor in high school and then maybe he
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  Speaker 2: was sleeping with his mom's friend, you know. And she's
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  Speaker 2: kind of delusional. So she again is the girl that
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  Speaker 2: we knew in elementary school. On the recess McCadam crying
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  Speaker 2: and girls were around her comforting her. She's still like that,
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  Speaker 2: Like even at three Union, Kyle's like, m I still
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  Speaker 2: care about Amanda. I'm really worried about her. And then
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  Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, we're worried about Amanda. Why are you
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  Speaker 2: in a reality show? Your the tooth and skin. You
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be on a reality show. But I think she
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  Speaker 2: uses it as a control tactic. Is like to make
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  Speaker 2: people think that she's fragile. M Oh my gosh, that's
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  Speaker 2: what it is. That's that's what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll be interested to see what happens to that
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  Speaker 1: cast for next season. Even though I don't I just
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  Speaker 1: don't understand the idea of being in your late thirties
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  Speaker 1: What is Wes's day job?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know he had a day job. Oh yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: he works in media. He does work in media. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. If your son lived with a forty
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  Speaker 2: year old in a sharehouse, you'd be like, what's happening here?
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  Speaker 2: Am I an? I? Like, they're how old? They're losers? Like?
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  Speaker 2: Does it even a four oh one? K? Like to
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  Speaker 2: check on.
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  Speaker 1: These people are losers?
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking of?
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  Speaker 1: They should losers?
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Why are like? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Because I was
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: just talking to Chris about Love Island, which is like
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Don's age group, right, and it's like that's when you
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: like hook up a lot, because you got to figure
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: out what kind of person you want to be with.
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  Speaker 2: But like a forty year old and had a forty
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  Speaker 2: year old, it was married in a miserable relationship. I'll
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  Speaker 2: take a pass on that.
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  Speaker 1: Are you watching Love Island?
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  Speaker 2: I did. I just watched Love Island so we could
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  Speaker 2: talk about it, and I really did laugh so hard
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  Speaker 2: because Chris's observations are astute and true and sadly and
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: all the all of them complained about previous toxic relationships,
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: but they're all like twenty one and twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: You're like when you were fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: And then they've got these weird challenges where it's like okay, now,
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  Speaker 2: like you're all gonna be like lingerie and then you're
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: gonna have to rub paint on each other and then
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: be blindfolded and you have to make out with every
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: person and and just text texture wise figure out who's
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: the person that you're you're really into, like if it's
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: a matchup, almost like test tasting, you know, like I
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: don't know pasta, like you know, like to find out
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: like is it your mom's pasta?
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Or like four different wines? Can you tell which one is?
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen dollars eighty dollars?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, John and his girlfriend are watching it. They
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: talk about it every night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's what that's who watches it because Mea watches too.
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  Speaker 2: All the high school girls what they love it. And
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: there's a new guy named Caleb who's on the blue
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: added from North Carolina and the girls are losing their
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: minds over him.
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  Speaker 1: He's a it's a young person's game. Matt and Jake
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: are covering it, which I was like, uh, it's hilarious, hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I can't I can't imagine whether I, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I've watched it.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Is funny to hear a gay guy's perspective, because Chris
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: was like, uh, by the way, this is like toxic
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: masculinity and here's an example of it. And I was like,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, you're right, Oh yeah, it's a jazy. But
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: the guy Caleb, that's really cute, that just got to
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: the show. He works in air conditioning repairs. I gotta
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, twenty twenty six, that's the guy
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  Speaker 2: you want to date. Do you know how much money
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: they make repairs?
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Love Island. I'm gonna look him up right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, have you read your air conditioning break? I
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: mean they're making a lot. That's a good business to
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: be in.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb and Ganna. Yeah, he's very cute.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: He's cute, but he's you know, he's twenty one.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, uh yes. The HVAC people, Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, I'm always fascinated about h people because
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: they make a lot of money. Yes, they have a skill,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But it's interesting that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: in love after lock up they go to HVAC school afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you know why, because they make great money.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's right. Now, you know a skill and
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  Speaker 1: you make a lot of money, and they maybe don't care.
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  Speaker 1: They'll train you, they don't care. If you're a fellon,
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  Speaker 1: let's see if you can make it work.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, felons need to make money too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's right. It's like Ethan Plath. For a long
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: time did like copy or repair at offices.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a business that's going out of business, right right,
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  Speaker 2: that was a long time. Who the hell needs a
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: copy anymore?
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I've listen. I've got a coffee right there. That's
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: my coffee. It's a pretty send you DOCU sign. Now
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: it's a printer, do you know what I mean? Like
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I've printed and then that it's old school. I went
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to the beach too, just in case. Okay, let's talk
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: about Rhode Island because you and I have not had
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: a chance to chat yet. Now Rhode Island, I was
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: late to the game, but I'm all called up because
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: everybody's faces were the same when it was upsetting. So
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  Speaker 1: once I got everybody straight in my mind, now I
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  Speaker 1: am into it.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, there's one episode left of the season.
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  Speaker 2: You finally I know I've got it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I only was one behind the whole time last
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  Speaker 1: night before I was like, I got all caught up.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Now I got I went to my peacock, I got
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: it all done. What did you First of all, what
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: did you think about the ruler and the husband? And
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: then they showed on the preview for next thing like, yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: he got arrested for tracking me. I was like, you
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: gotta have been tracking him? What are you talking about?
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a theory about those Okay. I think
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: they can't get a divorce because they have lots of businesses,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if all of the businesses the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: other person's aware of what the business makes and how
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: it's operating. And I think, and I think I've heard
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: this too, that they were just supposed to be a friend,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: like she was supposed to be a friend of the cast.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: But because this was such a big story that it
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: was kind of intertwined everybody's, you know, storyline, that they
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: had to make her a cast member, so why she's
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: like barely there in a lot of things. She was
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a friend of. So now she's fucked
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: because she thought she'd be a friend of of a show,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: maybe do some little publicity for the MEDSPA. But now
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the podiatrist foot surgeon husband has this affair, which I
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: don't think she really cares about because it sounds like
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: he was with the Spanish teacher. Alicia's a Spanish teacher
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: when he met Rula, so she was the other woman.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: So he's probably that's part of it, like in an
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: agreement that they you know, she's probably like, uh, I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: won't I won't ask you about the other women. I
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: just want to make sure that you do the following
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: or whatever. There's some sort of agreement going on.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: It's like just don't embarrass me, don't ask, don't tell. Yeah, yeah,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I embarrass me, and now he's embarrassed her.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they probably don't even hook up. They
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: probably haven't for a while, but they have two kids
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: together and they have a life to get and it's like,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you know, they've got a lot of things, you know, intertwined,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: but they must know too much about each other that
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: they're like, I don't want to be in a situation
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: where we have to split for a multitude of reasons.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: And now we're screwed because we're on this TV show
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: and you can't leave me because I know all that info.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: But you've got this woman who you've been sleeping with,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: who you've clearly led to believe is going to be
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the next wife, and she's going to get real angry
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: when she realizes that he was probably lying to her.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: He's never going to leave Rula, And then that mistress
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: probably knows stuff too.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I just get the feeling that this is like a
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: true crime doc waiting to happen.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I agree, especially when I heard the whole like he
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: got arrested for tracking her. I was like, what's he
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: tracking her for? She's going to these housewives party or
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: driving her kids around, you know.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Or he's tracking her so he can't so the mistress
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: that they don't have to cross paths at allah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, But I mean, why don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: just put Find my Friends on iPhone like it? Because
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it's a different generation.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: They have little kids, you know, they don't have teenagers
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: where they you know, find my phone and all that's
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: three life, three sixty that they don't know about that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So he's got to go old school. He's gonna like
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: put a device under her car like it's, you know, goodfellows.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just saw also speaking of people being tracked
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and Lisa Hockstein and her boyfriend like their charges dropped
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever for the tracking of Lenny. And then it
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: said all these people had come out with allegations. This
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: woman had come out with allegations against Lenny of assault,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like being drugged and assaulted in a hotel room. So
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it's not looking good for Lenny. It'd be great if
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they were filming in Miami.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Well that's what's gonna say. What what a year? What
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: a couple of months to not be filming? Lots has
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: happened in Miami? I really feel like they used the bone.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miguel Luciano told me that not Marisa, all
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the other one are why is her name just Alexia?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Alexia.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Alexia and Todd are back together.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Back together, back together and strung. But he may have
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: been like, because it's off the air now, now we
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: can get back together, because I think again, maybe doesn't
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: want to be on the show because that's hanging a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: light on stuff.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, you see what happens when people get
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: too interested in your finances or your job.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So well, somebody could write a scripted series where it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a reality show and the woman gets involved with the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: man and then the man's doing something that's like super
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: shady and then like everything goes haywire.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah you have a lot, it'll be good. Yeah, what
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: did you think about this whole? Like Liz and Alicia
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: fight over the word homeless. I saw Liz and Watch
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: What Happens Live, and what she said to Andy was
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: basically she was kind of trying to protect Alisha from
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: her because when you said the word homeless, now maybe
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: later people are gonna come after you and be like, oh,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't used that word. You're appropriating that word. It
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: really that's not what happened. You literally moved in with
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: your aunt. You were never you were never homeless. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Alicia's thought was, my dad like sold the house out
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: from under us, and we had nowhere to live. We
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: had to move in with my aunt. So you could
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: see both points. But Liz on Watch What Happens Live
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was trying to tell Andy. It was like if you
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: just all of a sudden were like I was never
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I was never gay. I've always been straight. I would
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: be like you would never straight. You know. She's like
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get you to da, I just
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: feel the wrong word. You know, it went on too long.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, why do you care? Just make a joke
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: like she's she's as almost as I am. Like without
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: plastic surgery or something, I don't know, she could have
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: like just let it go.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Joellen and then Liz. You know, we're
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: having this argument which went on for too long. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: love Joellen. I like to look at it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Very pretty.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Ashley, I because I'm not in the Bachelor Nation, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I just know her name and her husband.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: They look so much alike. She and her husband. They
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: both have such angry Yeah. They're beautiful people.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Beautiful people, and she's very nice. She was the first
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: guest I ever had on my podcast.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Stop it is that true?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: True?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The first guest ever? Uh huh, look at that. That's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a little Kate Casey history.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the same then and she is now totally
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the same person.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Rosie. I don't really have an opinion on I did think.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I did think her husband didn't do a Frank Sinatra impression.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: He was just singing.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably, but he's probably had a dream like he's
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't have a lot of opportunity in
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the state of Rhode Island. I'm sure, so good for him,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: God bless make it happen.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You can.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: You know what he'll probably do. And I would recommend
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: this to him. America's got talent, go for it, try
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: it out. Oh, not a bad not a bad idea.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Let's see D D D to D. Okay, that's it
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: for Rhode Island, I think, because next week is the finale,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and that's exciting. Okay, let's talk about Atlanta. Are you
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: caught up on Atlanta? Are you watching it?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched any of Atlanta, and I know I
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: keep meaning too, but then it's like, just when I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: am about to that, I have like a four season
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: documentary I've got to watch, so I'm totally behind.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It's a really good season, I think, Oh good, Yeah,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it's a really good season. The New People, Pinky and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ca Michelle. At first I didn't like k Michelle. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: found her to be sort of over the top and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: performative and bug. But I've really she's really grown on
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: me and I really like this new girl Pinky And
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: we got to see this week. We got to see
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Cynthia's boyfriend whose name is Prince, and I don't know
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: where he's from. He I think he's African. Let's see.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Let's look about Cynthia Bailey.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: At the Burden of Cynthia. She so gorgeous. I feel
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: like a man would feel. I don't know, dudes, but like,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like you gotta be real good looking to
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: be with her.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Well, he's nineteen years younger and his name, his name
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was La Prince. What she was calling him Prince. He's
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: an Amsterdam based musician.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And j yeah, okay, good for you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: They talked at some point. He said something at some
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: point and they put underneath he was speaking in Dutch.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Very hot, but he's got like giant dreadlocks. He does
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: DJ with reggaetronics dance music, reggae.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: He plays soccer. Soccer is very big there football. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: don't know. Don't make me look up his history. Wad
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: where does she meet him? This is like, this is
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this love story for the ages.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you I'll tell you are okay, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: this is the names of all these people are not
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: going to come to me, and that's why I have
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you here. I had Christa Rosa on to talk about
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: this documentary that was about the Princess of Norway marrying
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that scammy, scamming guy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, total scammer yep.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. So the two of them got who was like gay?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It's not like I mean he was gay, and then
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: he said, oh, I just happened to fall in love
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: with this Princess of Norway and she was very into
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like mystical healing and all this weird stuff.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So they had this wedding.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Vanity Fair article on that side note people could go
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: back and read that was that was a good one.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So there was a there was a whole documentaryund it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Christop Rosa came on to discuss it with me, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: at the wedding, Chris completely missed it that Sonya and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Cynthia were there.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, because he was like a social like
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: drifter or too.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yes. So my understanding from back in the day when
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I used to listen to Jeff Lewis, Cynthia had been
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: at that wedding and either she met that guy there
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: or they first started dating. But I think she met
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that guy at the wedding.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Oh I got to get to the bottom of that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I remember Santy Chris. I was like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Sonya and Cynthia were definitely paid to be at that wedding,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and he was like probably, yeah, God that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's a job for me. I'd
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: like to be paid to go to a wedding because
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I do like a wedding, especially if I'm able to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: like be the center of the dance floor, like I'll go.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I want to go to an Indian wedding in India,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: but I don't. I would like to go to that too.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I need like a high brow, bougie like four day event.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would love that too. Although the costume
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: shows on India yes, gorgeous and Dubai Dubai's Great weddings too.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm obsessed. And I met a guy when I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: was on this work trip with my husband in Paris,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and he was you know, it's all DC people and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: he was from like Washington State and his wife. His
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: wife was finishing up a fellowship. We were talking about that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: She was a doctor, and they were getting married the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: next summer and they were getting doing an American wedding
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and an Indian wedding. And I was like, well, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: my dream is to go to an Indian wedding. Why
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: would he know that he just met me. He's like, well,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I mean you can come. I was like, no, No,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: My husband's like, she's obsessed with going to an Indian
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: wedding because she wants to wear the outfits, she wants
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to do the hennah, she wants to go to all
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the different events.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, we're having one of those. He's like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: no elephants though, no elephants. We need to find somebody
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: who has elephants, because it's like we're going to go.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: We're going to go all out right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta do the Kardashians.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I gotta get like on their list, serve like maybe
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: if they don't want to go to something like, we'll
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: get the discount rate and we'll go for them as
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: ambassadors to Kardashian and world.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: A listener did write me and said that there are
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: these big, huge, fancy Indian weddings in India and they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: are paying people to like come. I was like, how
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: do I get on that list serve.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: No kidding, Yeah, He's like, yeah, I want to get
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: on the list serve where I could just get paid
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to do things that I really already enjoy, right, like
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: a wedding, Like a wedding or just like drinks like something,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: appetizers on a duffy boat, like, okay, let's do it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I don't get anybody into ship.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I keep telling Gibson every time gibbson John's goes something
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to New York, I'm like, I'm right here and you
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: see three hour train ride.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Brother the like crazy weddings.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I just got of everything, like I'm around, I can
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: go my kids.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I think people just assume we won't go, assume i'll go,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Assume I'll go to anything.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I had a manager say that to me. She was like, oh,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I just thought you like don't want to go to events.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'll go. I just I'm I'm
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the girl at school that can't get a prom date,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Like who's left?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Will they ask me? Okay, so I will say that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Cynthia's new man is interesting about it. Atlanta and Angela
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Oakley is just really coming into it this season she's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: very funny. I really like her very very quick.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like what I like about her and this
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I haven't even watched the season yet, but I what
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I like her about her is I get the feeling
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: like she's had a life well lived, like a lot
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: of like a lot of stuff has happened. She's like
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the interesting person to sit with it at dinner party.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's funny. This week, she was talking about her husband
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and Shemia saying, Samia always says she sees my husband
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: outside of the house, but when he's outside of the house,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know who he sees Shemia so da da da da.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: So I've heard she says he keept. She said, when
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: my husband's outside of the house. I was like, is
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he not allowed to leave the house? Like she keeps
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: saying she sees my husband outside and when she sees
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: my husband outside of my house. I was like, it
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was just the hilarious the way she was talking about it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: By the way, Shemiah's husband owns an HVAC company too,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't he.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Uh, but he's like does airports and stuff.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I know again, let's go back to each fact. Like
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's the place to be watch What Happens Live.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Rosie was on there with Shemiah and Andy said to Rosie,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you're looking at the HVAC Queen of Rhode Island. Rosie,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it went over her head. She's like, why it's not
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: an h FAC. She's like, no, she MEA's husband owns
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: every HPAC thing in the state of Rhode Island.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Dumb. Yeah, she could have gotten some sort of deal.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Rosie's like huh. She is like, Oh, I can't deal
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: dumb people. I gotta go their house. Y'all.
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  Speaker 2: You know, have I talked to on the phone two
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• 32:28
  Speaker 2: What who? Yeah, I know, pase uh Lacy? Oh?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Interesting?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Why we have a friend in common and so my
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: friend Evelyn said, I think that you'd really like her.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, chat out with her for a little bit.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is she gonna come on the show?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I think she is. She lives in your area, right,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: she lives very close and we know a lot of
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: friends in common.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's all right. Interesting, Well that's good. Well, Valley,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm so obsessed with Danny's situation, and you and I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: have discussed this ad nauseum. But this past week, which
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: would have been not this episode that was out Wednesday night,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: because again I don't get screeners. This particular episode of
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this podcast comes out on Thursdays. But last week again
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: him saying I'm not drinking, I'm having water, and they
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: show him in the kitchen pouring Tito's into us cup.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And then at the other event, I'm not drinking. Da
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: da da da. And they show him with a white
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: claw walking around and going hiding in the gym to drink.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: It just makes me feel sad.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So you know, Nia can't avoid she can't ignore this evidence, right,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the evidence being like, yes, he does drink, but everybody
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: else drinks and does crazy things too, which is a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: fantastic point. But the point that they're trying to make
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: is he's lying to your face about it, right. It's
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit like Rula and her husband, like here
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: is video evidence, but just the.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Same, I don't think Nia cares. I think she's so
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: committed to like, what if there are problems, we will
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: discuss this off camera with our therapist, which again, you
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: shouldn't got a reality show then sorry.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Right, uh huh yeah. I think he's gonna have a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: lot to answer for with the reunion because.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: He's going to be on a beta blocker, that one's
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: gonna be on a baby.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Oh he's gonna he's gonna be on all the things.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But for him to be so like, oh, everybody else
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: can do it and I can't. And then it was
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: interesting too. He sits down with Jesse and Schwartz and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Jesse's like, you can do whatever you want around me. Man,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Like it's fine, right, because you're not a woman that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: he's grossing. Right, I'm sure it's fun for you, but
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: he's not a fun drunk. He's not He's not fun.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: He was being so gross at that dinner they went
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to and they were out of town wherever they were,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: San Diego, and he was looking at Michelle and goes,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: duncan no, Kai's junk. I was like, you can't even speak,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: there's lurring so bad.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And you know, I have a theory. Well, I think
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: he reminds me of Tom Cruise. They're Tom Cruise and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Kenny Holmes, Like she's just like got to play the part.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And he's I think he's very actually very religious. I
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: know that his father and grandfather are heavily involved in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the family church, and people have done investigations on things
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that have happened and like connected to the church. And yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: he's a part of a megachurch. That doesn't mean people
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in megachurches are, you know, terrible. It's just I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that the combination of like growing up in a home
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: with very strict set of rules and then you come
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: out west and you marry somebody who was in the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: pageant world, and it's all about like maintaining the image.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: That to me is very, very worrisome. It is, And
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna end up be a preacher. By
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the way, I'm going to say five year he's gonna
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: go off TV. It'll be a preacher.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I know you've said that. I can't in any possible
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: way or form see that before me. Now, yes he is,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: he is, and he's I want to say that her
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to be like, well, he'd had too many drinks and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the way he talked to me. Okay,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: well you guys were at the theme park and he
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: was speaking to you rudely. Did he have too many drinks? Then?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And we saw him of his loves a white claw.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: That man loves a white claw.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I had a white claw sip one day and I
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like it was anything delicious, Like it's gasoline adjacent. No,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: what it is.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's what people don't know understand about White Claus is
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: white claw is still like a malt liquor product. So
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it is still going to give you the same effect
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of like a beer. Right high dunes are or there's
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: another one of my kids like called something like Sunrise
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: or something surf side, surf side, okay, hens and surf
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: such a vodka based products. So like a high noon
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: is going to be like a like a vodka cran basically,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and that's the better way to go.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: But like one you would get at a bar. Yeah, yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: so somebody could be having like ten of those, yes,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: but it's not the same of having like a vodka
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: cranberry at a bar, like ten of them.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I don't think the alcohol
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: content is that. I don't think it's like a full
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: SHOT's worth of vodka in each high noons.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to gauge like how much alcohol we're talking,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine that because people say, like if
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you get a mixed drink or a glass of wine
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: or a beer, it's all the same amount of alcohol.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, but it probably also depends on twelve ounce
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: of this, eight ounce of that, you know whatever. But
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that he loves a white cloth so much.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's hilarious that they keep
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: showing him with a white clause and then on this
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: episode last week when when Jasmine found that white claw
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: in the bathroom. It's like, why is this white claw
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in your gym bathroom? And they show him going up
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: with it like he's hiding it, and he's pouring vodka
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: into a water glass, saying out loud he's drinking water
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and then looking over at the camera to see if
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the camera season like it's all bad.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: This just makes me very sad, it's all bad.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me real triggered, real trigger. That whole
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: drinking tequila in the closet, you know, and he's always
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: got an excuse, always got an excuse. Everybody else if
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: they're drinking, they're just like, okay, well you know, uh
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Luke was drunk or Kristin was drunk or they you know.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But he's very specifically hiding. I'm kind of obsessed with
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: what I'm going to find out this week, like every
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: week it's something new.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it feels like a true grind doc.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes it does. Are you interested at all in
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: anyone else's storyline? I'm interested to know if Michelle is
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: actually going out.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: With doctor Dre That I'm interested in. And I like
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Laala and Michelle's friendship. I think that's good they both
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: need a good friend.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I just think Luke and Kristen's support of Nia and
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Danny is just very I'm like, are they trying to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: be members of the Mega Church? Like, I don't know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that's kind of weird, but that the show is also
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: weird too, like their loyalties, like Channon and Jason seem
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to be like really supportive of Jack's and I never
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: really understood that, So I don't know, they're all kind
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: of weird. I have liked highlighting postpartum because I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that's important. I agree.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, people are like the show is so dark and boring,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm that's life, man, this is life
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in your thirties. This is where you are when you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: have little kids.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: This is right.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: It is dark and depressing, but you get through it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But this is what they're doing. They're dealing with little
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: little kids.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I do think that maybe Luke is the father of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Lalla's baby, and I don't know if that's a good thing.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: We've got to find out how she find that out.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I did hear a rumor that they like reveal it
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: at the reunion or something stupid like that, that they
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that they that that's not Luke, you are not the father.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, good well if I if, I hope
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: if that happens, like that can happen, because I will,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I will. I'm sitting on that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I would. I will release that footage. And I did
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: see Andy Cohen say after the Summerhouse Reunion that it
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: was Jennifer Lawrence that figured out who the person was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that leaks the audio from the Summerhouse reunion.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: How would she know? I don't understand that. Maybe she
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: knows the makeup person or something.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting right.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, she must have been like, oh, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: talked to this makeup person who did my makeup and
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: then they told me that so and so sent it
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: to so and so. Yeah, it must be like that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: It must be like that. It's crazy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Do you think that Lawrence listens to Bravo podcasts?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Uh? Well, I mean I don't know. She probably yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yeah, not this one, but probably.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: If she's like a mix Bravo super fan, I don't think. Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, before we started, she said, you had a story
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: you wanted to tell you?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, this is crazy. Okay. So I did
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: an episode like two weeks ago for Saturday series episode
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: where I was asking Jonathan Mark about like some houses
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: that I've lived in, including my mom's house, which I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: didn't live in my mom grew up in, about like
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: like who was honking them anyway? I did the episode
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and Alie sends me a DM. She goes, oh my god,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: you mentioned I didn't realize like you lived grew up
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: close to where we're from. Uh, we totally know my
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: sister's and I totally know the house that your mom
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: grew up in, and we which house on Fenerton Road
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: And I said one O two and she's like, oh
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: my god, I used to smoke. We'd at that house.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And in the episode to talk about I saw a
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: woman in the old woman in the third floor window,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and I walked outside and I asked my mom, like,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: who's the old woman upstairs? My mom was like, I
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. Scary.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I like totally know that house and I'm like, oh,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the basement. I would never go in it. She's like, yeah,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: basement was weird. And then she also knew my mom's
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: childhood home and as why we were dming before this started.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: She noted that the family that now lives in the house,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and there's gonna be a second part that we're gonna
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: have to do this, but tell me everything serious because
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it ties to a story that I've never been able
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to figure out about someone in my family that last
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: name matched. And I said to has that family lived
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: in that street before they bought that house? And she
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: said yes. So I think I may finally crack the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: code on like a family secret.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love a family secret.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I love a family secret too. I love it, and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I'd like other people's secrets. Like if someone's like, oh,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I've just got this weird family thing going on, I'm like,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I will cancel meetings to come and listen to you
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: and talk to you about your family secrets.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I am very also, very obsessed with bad mother in
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: law stories.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Oh there was a fun yes, yes, yeah, I.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Love that mother in law story. I didn't have a
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: bad mother in law and neither did you.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Oh no, my first time I did.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I forgot she had the first one seconds.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh she he did me and I did not
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: enjoy her. She was terrible.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I love those stories. I think they're fascinating.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Some of us, like, I just had a conversation with
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: my son recently, like in the last week, talking about
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: something with his girlfriend. And I said, well, I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: want to text her. I don't want to overstep or whatever.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: He goes, Mom, who cares, you Just text her and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: ask her. It's about her, the girl's trip, she's coming
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: here to visit us. I was like, well, I don't
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: want to bug you know, she's got her own parents
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: that can buger about it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: He goes, Oh, you could, you could text her? And
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I said, John, let me tell you what. I'm cool
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm dipping in when I'm needed. I'm dipping out
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: when not needed. When it comes to you and any girl,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: because we will not have the situation where you get
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: married to somebody and have kids and I'm not included.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It is gonna be fifty to fifty equal time. It
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: happens a lot. Yeah, where when your son gets married
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: they ditch you. And I said, oh, man, that's gonna
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: hurt and it's not gonna happen. And he's like, Mom,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I would never do that to you. I I don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: know the power.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I've cut those conversations with Jack too. He's only fourteen,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: who's going to high school? What? I go, what what
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: are you going to do if this broad doesn't like me?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And he's like, why would I marry somebody who doesn't
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: like you? I go, you're gonna be surprised.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It happens all the time.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I ingratiate myself like it's a total kiss off and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: try to get whoever John has ever dated to like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: me and the current girlfriend likes me just fine. But
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I you know, I was just telling him.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, I.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't, I don't know if you'll
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: marry this girl. You're very young, baby, you will, but
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I got I gotta, I gotta lay the foundation that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm cool, I'm chill, I'm not bugging, just as involved
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: as you want me to be. I was like, because
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you can't go and get married and move some very
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: very far away from me and not let me see
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: my grandchildren.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I watched this girl's video on TikTok and wish I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: could find it, and she did a really good job,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: and people at first wear hating on her because she's like, listen,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I have one of the greatest mother in laws in history,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you why, and people, you
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: know obviously were like, oh, happy for you, you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: but she was very informative. She said, here's why, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: it was basically like she, you know, she'll come over
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: to watch my kids, and she never criticizes the way
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I parent. She you know, she like adheres to anything
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that I ask, you know, she never goes off script.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: She respects the things that I ask. She if she
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: comes over, she always gives us fair, fair, you know, warning.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: She makes sure that I always have great gifts at
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the holidays. It was like all these little things and
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is really helpful. Yes, this
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: is fit.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yes girl, yeah, yeah, I did I do that. I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: think that's why I love a bad mother in law story.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: And by the way, neither one of my sisters have
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: bad mother in laws eat, but you know, they also
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: have kids that are now grown up and having kids,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and all of those experiences swing wildly with like being
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: included or not being included. And I'm like, I'm watching
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and learning from everybody I know. Like I've told John,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. I'll move next door if I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: have to, and I don't want to have to.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to do that. You've had
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of luck because you really, you know, you
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: really like his girlfriends, so that's really good.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do like her a lot.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So by the way, I've got to I've got to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: start figuring out what we're gonna do for the fall
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: visiting Almoss.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I know, Dave literally, my husband just asked me last night.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: He said, uh, Kate's daughter is going to come and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: look at all. Miss I said, yeah, I said, we
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: got to. He goes, well, she knows that she can't
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: come on a football game weekend because they'll never get
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a place to stay.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I know, I know we might not be able to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: go on a football weekend, but it doesn't really matter.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: We still get the feel of it.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Ready, Yeah, you just look at the feel of it,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and a football game weekend is super fun. But you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: do you want to spend ten thousand dollars on an
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: airbnb for two nights?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Probably? Not? Right?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Crazy?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah and crazy, And there'll be plenty of time to
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: enjoy the football games. And it's not like we don't
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: have a great football team, so we'll just figure out.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Probably the game, like when they have an away game,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: our team goes to like Las Vegas and Hawaii and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: all these crazy places. So we'll just do it like
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: when they're away, and then she doesn't miss.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: The game, right because she can't miss her games because
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: she's on the dance squad, dance team.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called song song, which is really very confusing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: It's called it's called dance song or just called just
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: called song. It's like a song leader. It's short for
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: song leader, which is like I think a term that
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: probably came from the South and then the Northeast, like
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: when you know, like George Bush, remember he was like
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: a cheerleader song leader with the big megaphone, like, yes,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that was my dad. I think it maybe originates from
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: those those early days. But song basically is a hybrid
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of cheer and dance. So I think like a Laker.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Girl love it. I love it. The sororities love a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: girl that can dance and put together a routine.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: To tell you that much, can I just tell you
• 48:08
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  Speaker 1: She's she's a person in your daughter's age or a
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• 51:11
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the winter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We had a spinoff podcast called tell Me Everything,
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  Speaker 1: and you could find it on both of our Patreon
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  Speaker 1: and pay fees. You could find its same content both places,
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  Speaker 1: And people loved it, and so I said it would
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  Speaker 1: come back this summer, but we haven't done it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to do it. We need to do it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: We need to do it. We've got a lot of
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: stuff simmering over the last couple of weeks months, so
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to tell.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Also, I want to tell you, face to face how
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: proud I am a view of your Vanity Fair article.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I was just dying because you know, you and I
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and very similar in that Vanity Fair would come and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that's it. I'm sad. I was so excited when Graydon
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Carter's book came out, like me too, very very very
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: into Vanity Fairs. Still still get it paper to this house.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And I was so excited that you got to write
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that article and tell everybody like what the article is about.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So it's about the Martha Moxley case, a lifelong obsession
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: of mine that originated when I was in high school
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and my sister started talk to me about it, and
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I got a season of Purgatory written by Dominic Dunn,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: who then later recovered this murder case extensively for Vanity Fair.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Long story short October thirtieth, nineteen seventy five. A girl
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: by the name of Martha Moxley leaves her neighbor's house,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the Scahole House, to go home and somewhere along the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: way she was murdered and the weapon was a golf club,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: and so they traced the golf clubs back to the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Scaho house. And it's notable that the Scaehol kids were
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the first cousins of Robert Kennedy's children, so there's a connection.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: There's this tony town in Connecticut called Greenwich, and you've
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: got power and balance because the Moxley famili's only been
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: in town for two years. They came from California, and
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: the neighbors have kind of a wild house because rushedn' skaygold.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: The father was married to his wife Anne. They had
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: seven children and dies of breast cancer. No one ever
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: discusses it. In this very catholic home. Everyone's sort of
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: running amuck. He's an alcoholic, he's barely running the company well,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: and this crime happens. So Dominic Dunn covered the case
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: extensively for Vanity Fair and there was a trial and
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: then Michael, one of the boys, went to jail and
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: then he was released. The case will not be you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: he will not be retried. So in covering the case
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: for my own episode, I did two episodes with the
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: narrator of a podcast series on the case called Dead Certain,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: And I kept thinking about the history of the coverage
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: of the case. All of the prosecutors, the defense, the reporters,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: the judge, they were all men. So one of the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: pieces of the evidence that was used in the case
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: were her diary entries. So I revisited all of those
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: diary entries, which were written in the weeks before she
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: was murdered, and looking through the lens of the contemporaneous
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: writings of a fifteen year old girl, because I noticed
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: when people talked about it, some of the nuances were
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: missed because of course they were not women. So I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: encourage you to go back and read it, because what
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I think the standout thing is a lot of the
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: same issues she was facing, my own mother faced, and
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: our children are facing about the understanding that we language
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: that we now have a lot of it due to
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: true crime documentaries, of course, of like coerceive control and
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: male entitlement and navigating a world where you're beginning, you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: you've just come out of puberty and you're coming into
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: your own and not really being oblivious to boys and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: men and when they're unchecked, what could happen and what
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: did happen. So it's very special to me, and I
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: hope I can write some more pieces. And my dream,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: my dream, dream dream is to sell a series based
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: on a treatment that I wrote about the case. But
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Vinnity Fair was a dream of mine since I was
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: sixteen years old. So I had this bottles of champagne
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: that I've kept and I refuse to open it until
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: something big happened and I so I can finally crack
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: it open. I've been waiting for my husband to come
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: home because he was on two business trips, but I,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: you know, this weekend, maybe I'll crack it open. You should.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: You should be so proud. It's really great. It's really great.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I keep telling you, like, don't forget about me when
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you make it back.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope I do. Lately. You know, it was
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: kind of funny with the article too, like some people
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: wrote things that I was like what they were like,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to see your careers beginning.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what you're like, girl, I've been around
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: ten years, man.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Ten years that well, previous to that, I did you
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: know crisis media litigation for law firms for seventeen so
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's like it's been a long,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: long long thing.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: What a life, Kate, What a life?
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so many children, And there were many years where
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I was still doing crisis media litigation and the podcast,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: so both of them, and then raising children. So you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: this is not easy to be a woman in business.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: It is not easy to be a woman in podcasting.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: And there were many years where I was navigating a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: job that was paying with the job that I wanted
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: to one day be you know, paid for, while raising
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: little kids. And I actually had set My number four
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: was a year old when I started my podcast, and
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I had another child, my fifth in you know after
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: that too.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: How old is your youngest child?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Seven? Okay?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: How old your oldest child?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Almost seventeen? Okay, so they're nine years because kick Caroline
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: is almost eight, so yeah, nine years.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I always try to uh name your children because somehow
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I always forget one. But well it's yeah, Caroline Hayes,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Sutton or the three because I always got Jack and
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: me Hu and the Carolin Hayz and Sutton. Somehow I
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: will always just so well, I know, but somehow I'll
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: be like, what is that other one's name?
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: You gotta gotta gotta remember your friend's kids' names. It's like,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I just those three little ones, they're like the three
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: little Plath girls live left loff.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are, except the three and four they get
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're tight, and one and two they have
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: got their own thing.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But then two and five of their own thing too. Anyway,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: But you're just like the duggers. You just get hand
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: like this one's gotta raise that one.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Some woman said to me yesterday. I was like, this
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: is such a weird. She goes, I feel like the
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: new flex is saying, you have a lot of kids.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: That's been, that's been.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: The flex is the flex when you're drowning in stress
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: because you have to get them in activities in school
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: and all this, Like what is the flex with that? Sorry?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Oh god.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: When I was in Mississippi recently, I wentn't surprised my
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: mom for her birthday. I was only there for like
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: a day and a half. I went with my sister
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: to pick up her grandson, so my niece's son, and
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: they were in the middle of like vacation Bible school,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and as you go through the vacation Bible School. I
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I remember when vacation Bible
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: school time. We were just constantly looking to see so
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: we wanted to make get our kids in all the
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: vacation Bible schools because usually they were free, and they
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: would be like nine to twelve. And you're like, Okay,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I got this week blocked off for the Baptist vacation
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Bible School. I got this week blocked off for the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Presbyterian Vacation Bible School. I was like, whether you like
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: it or not, you're getting a lot of Jesus this week.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Nine to twelve.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: God, what vacation Bible school is always really fun. I
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: remember that rest time yest time.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: So that just like brought me back about just trying
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to get that schedule down to get this kid and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, John's almost old enough for vacation Bible school.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I have a whole morning.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, so true, so true, so true.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Young moms, we see you out there, just we watch
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the valley. We know it's hard.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It is hard. Yeah to all those people that shows
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: too dark, Well, what do you think women in their
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: thirties experience?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: It's rough, it's rough. Anything else we should know to watch.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, documentary is called Bring Me the Beauties, the Model Cult,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: So to watch that. That's about a weirdo. Oh. Maternal
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Instinct comes out of Friday. It's like a true crime
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: one episode doc on Netflix about a woman, a new mother.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: It's I can't I don't explain it. I just want
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: you to watch it. It comes out Friday. Maternal Instinct.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's you know how the crash everybody talked
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: about the crash. Maternal Instinct is the next one.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm still obsessed with the crash, still listening
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: to stuff about that.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I just finished listening to the Love Trapped podcast.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: We know I interviewed Clayton.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. And I thought I knew everything about
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: it until I'll listened to that podcast. I was like, Wow,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: there was so much more. I did not know so much,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: and I really I really liked kind of At the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: last one of the last two episodes, the host was like,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: you know, one word we've not used is and then
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: you have all these clips of people saying crazy, this
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Lade's crazy, this woman's crazy. God, this this bitch is crazy,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and she's like, we haven't we specifically, haven't
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: said that at all, because then it goes into kind
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: of a whole like believing women overall else And it
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: was very interesting how they touched on that at the end.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so at the end the last episode, they
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: were like, there's going to be this hearing on May
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: twentieth or something. I was like, well, what happened?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have to update that. I remember
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: when he was talking about that. Yeah, it's really like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: a never ending case.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it keeps people.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I was worried about him. I said, I'm worried. And
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: then I was like, maybe I shouldn't have highlighted it,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: but let's just call space of space. I said, I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: don't want your first experience with your partner, when you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: find out that you're going to be parents, to somehow
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: be diminished that joy because of what happened.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully not.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I hopefully not.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: That other guy was okay, I got Mike, that was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the other victim. Yeah, yeah, he's ahead a nice wife.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Layton is a very very nice guy. I liked
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: him a lot. That's good. And then this is not
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: a surprise to you. I ended up feeling like I
• 1:01:29
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good so far, really good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know you're a good reader too. You always
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  Speaker 2: have good stuff. Have you read Chill Piazza's books?
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  Speaker 1: She sent me that one she did, Yeah, she sent
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: me that one and I took it to the beach.
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  Speaker 1: i'll have a I'll have a next book. But I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: felt loyalty that I had to read Catherine's first.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: You're gonna like it. She's like us. She has a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: podcast too, going to our show. She is. I remember
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: we talked about her sending a book to you. Really
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: you're going to love her?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, good. Once I read that book, I'm gonna have
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: her on because it's about Paris and you know that's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: my favorite city.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, she would love it. Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Everybody, make sure you're following Kate. Make sure you're following
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• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Kate, Thank you him