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  Speaker 1: She is Joe person, and he's nice enough to join
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  Speaker 1: us again here on the Mac and Bone Show.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, what's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 1: You're going to get it do We're gonna get a
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  Speaker 1: dry day for training camp here at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Well before we get into the weather. I want to
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  Speaker 2: address things that are popping. So I'm old enough to remember,
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  Speaker 2: and they still sell these things. I saw him this summer.
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  Speaker 2: Pop rocks. Oh, who remembers pop rocks. You put them
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  Speaker 2: in your mouth and some sort of chemical stuff would
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  Speaker 2: make them like pop in.
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  Speaker 1: Your mouth like fireworks. Also, things were weird. Why did
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  Speaker 1: we buy them?
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  Speaker 3: There was also the urban legend right that if you
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  Speaker 3: drank them with soda that you would explode.
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  Speaker 2: I believe, yeah you it got and I'm sure it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't true. But let me tell you, Bone, I never
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  Speaker 2: drank a coke with those pop rocks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like it feels like a show bed
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  Speaker 3: coming up here. Fitny, go grab a coke with the Vendgaria.
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  Speaker 2: City Radio stunt.
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  Speaker 3: Baby, let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: See if you survive it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've never I've never met someone that's hey,
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  Speaker 3: did you hear about Arthur?
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  Speaker 2: Or know what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he tried pop rocks and so I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like you could survive this Fitty. Would that be
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  Speaker 1: a problem with HR if we had to explain that
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  Speaker 1: Fitty's mouth exploded live on the radio. Oh man, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway to start with, he's a great throwback for us
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  Speaker 1: old people, Joe, I love that man, all right. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's ben rainy. Matter of fact, Devin Lloyd loves it.
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  Speaker 1: Coming from Jacksonville, he has loved the rain and the
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  Speaker 1: cool weather. What has I'll say this, give me a
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  Speaker 1: couple of who's who are some of the folks that
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  Speaker 1: have stuck out the most in a positive way, albeit
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  Speaker 1: non padded But the first few practice, who's been the
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  Speaker 1: standouts for you?
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  Speaker 2: Shaw Smith Wade has gotten off to a good start.
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  Speaker 2: He had a very nice pick of Bryce on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: Friday or Saturday, Uh No, they were off Saturday, so
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what day it was, Wow, Friday. I
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  Speaker 2: think he ended up with two. I think he ended
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  Speaker 2: up with two picks that day. So he's looked good
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  Speaker 2: yesterday just seem read, you know, a wide receiver kind
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  Speaker 2: of down to the roster who probably won't make the team.
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  Speaker 2: There have to be a lot of injuries, but he
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  Speaker 2: had a good day. I think Jonathan Brooks has looked good.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we we have added a caveat we
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  Speaker 2: did all spring with Brooks because it hundred you know
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  Speaker 2: one full speed, it was in shorts and helmets. Well
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  Speaker 2: that's still the case. So I think tomorrow, uh with
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  Speaker 2: with full pads will be kind of the next benchmark
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  Speaker 2: for Jonathan Brooks in his return from two acls. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm missing a couple of guys. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Bryce's look good man. Bryce did a really good day yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: He had a couple of plays that were kind of
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  Speaker 2: the vintage Bryce that the one I remember from from
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  Speaker 2: early on in team period. He was the pocket, got
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  Speaker 2: got flushed out of the pocket, He rolls to his
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  Speaker 2: left and kind of slip some pass back across his
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  Speaker 2: body to his old Alabama teammate John Metchi, which was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a nice improv play for Bryce. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a few just kind of off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, what's been your assessment of XL so far through
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  Speaker 3: camping and where do you think he ultimately fits in
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  Speaker 3: right now in that wide receiver room.
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  Speaker 2: He's looked fine, He's looked good. He came back in
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  Speaker 2: really good shape. I know Sheena Quick did a piece
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  Speaker 2: on him that he's gotten into boxing is a way
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  Speaker 2: to you know, get into to train and get himself fit,
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  Speaker 2: and it was successful. He looked, he looks good. I
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  Speaker 2: think there were times that he has said that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was maybe a little heavy, or the Panthers certainly
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  Speaker 2: thought he was. Maybe that's what he was saying. That
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  Speaker 2: they had relayed to him that they'd like to see
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  Speaker 2: him a little leaner. Where he fits is interesting. I am,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think he's certainly among the top six receivers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's get crazy. I'm not suggesting that he
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  Speaker 2: could get cut. But I like that third receiver position battle,
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  Speaker 2: and I mentioned John Metchi. I think you throw his
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  Speaker 2: name into that, into that battle, that that competition, as
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  Speaker 2: well as Chris Brasel Obviously. I asked Canalis about playing
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  Speaker 2: Temac in the slot more a couple of days ago
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  Speaker 2: and because that's sort of been a theme, and he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they want to try to do that. And he mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that that Brasle playing on that single side receiver side,
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  Speaker 2: and his ability, his his length and his speed give
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  Speaker 2: them the ability. And I think the Internet went crazy
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  Speaker 2: with it, thinking that Brasle's already ahead of X and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's the case, but it could
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  Speaker 2: be here, you know, in another month. So anyway, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's one of the more intriguing position battles I want
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  Speaker 2: to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Real intriguing, no doubt about it. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: read about all this intriguing stuff going on in Panther camp,
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  Speaker 1: read Joeperson stuff Theeathletic dot Com Joe how much. Let's see,
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  Speaker 1: last week was a rough week for health news, right
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  Speaker 1: we found out about Taylor Moten and man, I'm wishing
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  Speaker 1: him the best. That's no joke. That's some serious stuff
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  Speaker 1: he's dealing with. That's way above football. But if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the football impact of what happened to him
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that he is going to start the season,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the sidelines, and then the Nick Scrton injury,
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  Speaker 1: does do those two things like make you think, man,
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  Speaker 1: they might not be as good as I was expecting
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  Speaker 1: them to be. Or do you look at these things
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  Speaker 1: and say, no, they can overcome these things.
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  Speaker 2: Collectively, Yeah, it tempered things a little bit for me,
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  Speaker 2: just because with Moten and Icky both I mean, you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about their two starting tackles since twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't just like from last year. And luckily, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, Dan Morgan had had taken steps to address
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  Speaker 2: the depth, but you know obviously drafting Monroe Freeling and
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  Speaker 2: then signing Rashid Walker, but bumping those guys up means
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  Speaker 2: that the now what was considered depth are now starting
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  Speaker 2: and so your depth is going to be impacted behind them.
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  Speaker 2: When you're talking about uh Stone for Sife, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Brady Christiansen was a good signing, but I saw Brady
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  Speaker 2: playing mostly guard the early parts of camp, but we
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  Speaker 2: know he can play all across the board, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then scorting, I mean that that's just you hate
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  Speaker 2: it for the kid. You know, he had a really
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  Speaker 2: nice rookie season. I was impressed with what he did
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  Speaker 2: and how he handled himself in the locker room. I
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  Speaker 2: remember after I forget which game, but after one of
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  Speaker 2: their kind of mid season losses, he thought, you know
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  Speaker 2: that there wasn't enough urgency, and as a rookie to
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  Speaker 2: come out and say that, I thought that showed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of moxie and yeah, that's tough, that's tough, and
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  Speaker 2: put a lot of onus now, on Patrick Jones and Princely,
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  Speaker 2: hum and me Ellen and thought Canalis kind of challenged
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  Speaker 2: Princely the other day saying that they need to see
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  Speaker 2: him become a little more complete player, not just be
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  Speaker 2: a guy that they throw in on obvious passing downs,
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  Speaker 2: but a guy they can trust to hold up and
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  Speaker 2: be stout against the run on first and second down
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, do you think there's full faith in Jones and
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  Speaker 3: Princely or ultimately will they want to bring someone else in,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's a current free agent or when someone gets
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  Speaker 3: released from their current team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they want to just kind of see
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  Speaker 2: how these next couple of weeks play out. That's my sense.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think it would be any sort of
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  Speaker 2: moved in the immediate following that, the injuries the immediate aftermath.
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  Speaker 2: But could they do it at cutdowns? Yeah? Absolutely, But
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  Speaker 2: I think they want to see what they have as they,
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  Speaker 2: you know, go into these joint practices and they even
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  Speaker 2: before the joint pride, just when they start doing one
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  Speaker 2: on ones here against their own offensive lineman. See how
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  Speaker 2: Pat Jones, I mean, he you know, he's a guy
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  Speaker 2: I liked what he had to say the other day.
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  Speaker 2: He said, you know, I was a free agent last year.
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  Speaker 2: I played in four games and I had a lot
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  Speaker 2: to prove, Like I came here with with some big goals.
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  Speaker 2: And he's the guy. Of course, Pat had the back
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  Speaker 2: surgery back procedure to alleviate a herniated disc, and so
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  Speaker 2: he and Princely and there are other guys too. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: but they brought back cam Gill, but I think he's
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  Speaker 2: more of a depth and special teams piece than anything.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think bottom line, I do think down
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  Speaker 2: the road there could be an option to add at
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  Speaker 2: that position if these guys don't have great summers.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, what is your feeling on on Bryce Young? Clearly
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  Speaker 1: it feels like they want to see more, right, like
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  Speaker 1: he's improved every year, but can you be more consistent
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  Speaker 1: take it to another level? Like what is your gut
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  Speaker 1: feeling on like does he earn an extension after this season?
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  Speaker 1: And like what will it take to earn an extension?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think from him? Well, I mean another step forward.
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  Speaker 1: I always go back to what Bran Tillis said last
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  Speaker 1: year around this time and that Bryce is an ascending
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  Speaker 1: player and you know we believe in him and then.
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  Speaker 2: And he did take a step forward in his third season,
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  Speaker 2: Bryce did, and they the consistency has to improve. And
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  Speaker 2: we've seen some really huge splash games out of him
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  Speaker 2: last season at Atlanta against the Rams and the playoffs
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  Speaker 2: other games, but then we'd see other times where like
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  Speaker 2: kind of took a while for him to get going
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  Speaker 2: in the game. He did not play well against a
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  Speaker 2: very granted, a very good Seattle defense. So it's that
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  Speaker 2: that is the question that will loom over this team
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  Speaker 2: all season because I do not think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do I don't think I don't think they have any
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  Speaker 2: intentions to extend him before the year, So it is
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  Speaker 2: kind of a wait and see deal. I mean, picking
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  Speaker 2: up the fifth year option was a no brainer, like
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  Speaker 2: that's what twenty five million, But that next step, when
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  Speaker 2: you start talking about getting into the upper echelon of
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  Speaker 2: quarterback salaries like that is they have to be right
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  Speaker 2: on that because you know they may obviously I'm a
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  Speaker 2: huge investment with draft picks uh when when they picked him,
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  Speaker 2: but it's going to be a big investment if they
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  Speaker 2: decide to extend him and uh and you can't be
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  Speaker 2: wrong on that.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, he's enters anything into the NFL uh trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out what happened with the scored injury, if the
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  Speaker 3: CBA was violated. What do you think of of that situation?
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  Speaker 3: And did you see exactly what happened to score and
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  Speaker 3: when he got hurt?
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I did poke around on it over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend bone And here's where I come down on it.
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  Speaker 2: They clearly they're out there in shorts and helmets like
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  Speaker 2: they're you know, they're not in full pads. And it
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  Speaker 2: was the acclamation period, and you can do football drills
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  Speaker 2: during the acclamation period and it's not like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're just standing around doing walkthrough. The gray area to
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  Speaker 2: me has always been like live contact. And I think
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  Speaker 2: in Dave Canalis, he was part of a Seattle staff
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  Speaker 2: by the way, like Pete Carroll, they they always would
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  Speaker 2: kind of push it to the limit on OTAs and
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  Speaker 2: they went over the limit. They three different times while
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  Speaker 2: while Canalis was was in Seattle, Carol got and the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks got penalized the third for too much contact during OTA's.
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  Speaker 2: One of them might have been in camp, but two
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  Speaker 2: of them were ots. The third time they lost a
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  Speaker 2: draft pick. They lost a fifth round pick. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean Dave Canalis is complicit and he's doing
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  Speaker 2: the same things Pete Carroll's is doing. In fact, Canalis
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  Speaker 2: said yesterday, you know, having gone through that experience, he
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  Speaker 2: feels like he's done a good job educating the players
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  Speaker 2: on what's allowed what's not allowed. Like they're not out
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  Speaker 2: there tackling. I mean, sometimes guys go down to the
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  Speaker 2: ground in these non contact practices, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: was the case with unfortunately with Nick Scord and Tommy Tremble,
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  Speaker 2: who was on the field and who did see it
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  Speaker 2: or at least have seen the video of it. He said, look,
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  Speaker 2: this was an unfortunate deal. It was more of a
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  Speaker 2: fluke than anything else. And I feel like the Panthers,
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  Speaker 2: just from what I've been able to determine, they feel
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  Speaker 2: that they're in the right here. They were compliant and
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  Speaker 2: they will be cleared. But but we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, I've got a friend that is a Braves fan
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  Speaker 1: that has texted me right now. I already had to
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  Speaker 1: deal with him. They won the series over my Orioles
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  Speaker 1: this weekend, But now he says, does Joe want to
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: does Joe the Phillies fan want to concede the division
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  Speaker 1: live on the air now that we appear to have
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  Speaker 1: thwarted their charge, are you buying that or are you
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  Speaker 1: not backing down yet?
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  Speaker 2: Joe? No, your buddy must have seen me. I wore
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  Speaker 2: a Phillies hat out to practice on it and tape
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  Speaker 2: the old video for the athletics. So I'm stuck with
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  Speaker 2: it now like I can't back off of it. Hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully they hang in there. They're about to play your orioles.
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  Speaker 1: I know this weekend, Man, This weekend brings back memories
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  Speaker 1: of that world series Man when we were young. We
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  Speaker 1: were young back then.
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  Speaker 2: Pop Pop Rocks in nineteen eighty three Baseball with Rick
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  Speaker 2: Rick Gempsey behind the dish for the orile.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, baby, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do some real old man talk, Joe, go ahead
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: and promote your new venture you got there with with
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  Speaker 3: Duncan Gina. We're looking forward to this. I know you
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  Speaker 3: guys did an episode last week. Go ahead and tell
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: us how this came about. Where we can find it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. There's a gentleman out in LA
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  Speaker 2: who has been putting together a lot of these podcasts
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: that called the collective. Ours not naturally is called the
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Panthers Collective, but a lot of my athletic colleagues are
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  Speaker 2: doing it, doing these on their beats, and so seemed
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: like a cool opportunity. I've obviously done a ton of
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: podcasts over the years, but never been a part of
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: one where it's every week. So Shehena and Dunk. I'm
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: just kind of like the old guy, just trying to
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: stay in my lane, as evidenced by the pop Rocks reference.
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  Speaker 2: But it was fun. We did it last week. It's
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  Speaker 2: a YouTube deal. I'll you know, I'll tweet out the
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: link and I think we're going to try to do
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  Speaker 2: it every Wednesday evening. So it's a free deal. You
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: just subscribe to YouTube and we'll talk all things Panthers.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: That's a great, great trio. That's that's got to be
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  Speaker 1: an awesome listener. Remember Theeathletic dot com to read all
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: of Joe's work as well. Thank you, Joe, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see you out there tomorrow. Brother, appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds good. You all have a great week.