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Enneagram Christmas Traditions, Gifts, and Carols Part 1 · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:11
  SPEAKER_06: Jingle bells, plates of cookies, turkey trots, and Christmas wishes.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, it's that time of year again.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_06: I can hardly believe it, can you?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_06: Hi, I'm Amy Wicks, wife, mom, author, certified Enneagram life coach, and host of the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_06: Welcome to the sixth annual Advent Series, where you're gonna hear all about the practical rhythms for cultivating gratitude and celebration this holiday season.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_06: Let's usher in this time of year with a tone of excitement because Christ's birth is something that has changed everything for you and me.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_06: I can't wait to share these powerful guest conversations with you about food freedom, navigating lives during times of celebration, sharing favorite holiday traditions, and even how to relate to all the Enneagram types, even unhealthy ones, at all those family gatherings.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_06: I pray this wholehearted take on the Avent season blesses you richly, sweet friend.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_06: Merry Christmas! Hey friend, welcome back to the Simply Wholehearted podcast.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_06: I am really thrilled to share with you once again one of my favorite Avent series, and it's all about Christmas gifts, traditions, and carols.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_06: Get ready to hear five of my friends who are going to share briefly about what lights them up most with joy when it comes to all things Christmas.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_06: Now, some of these friends are past podcast guests, past summit guests, or maybe they've been longtime friends that I've been just dying to introduce you to.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_06: These conversations will be similar to the rapid fire questions that I have been asking guests this holiday season.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_06: Though some of my guests today forgot to do the rapid part.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_06: Really, it's my fault because as you know by now, I'm a talker.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_06: But all is well because next week I'm going to share part two with the rest of the guests that I asked to be on this fun Enneagram Christmas episode.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_06: Now, each guest represents one of the nine Enneagram types because I gotta represent all the types, right?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_06: I do hope that this fun to listen to episode brings a little extra joy to your life.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe some of their family traditions will be something that maybe that you would like to start incorporating into your own Christmas rhythms.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_06: And most of all, I just hope it lightens the atmosphere and brings a little bit more celebration to your days.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_06: Now, today you're gonna get to hear from the Enneagram six, one, four, two, and the three.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, we're jumping around.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_06: We're gonna keep things fun here.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_06: All right, let's begin.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_06: Happy Christmas, Jessica.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_06: You are here in your Christmas gear.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_06: I'm ready.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_04: I love Christmas.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_06: Who's coming to yes?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_06: We've got Woodstock and Snoopy, and we're ready to go.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_06: You know, the Charlie Brown series, the the good old OG versions, it's a ritual in our home.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_06: We start off with the great pumpkin, we have the Thanksgiving one, and then we do the Christmas.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yay.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: I I didn't really grow up with Charlie Brown, but I watched it in like high school and college, and I really enjoyed it.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if that's the age, like the appropriate age for Charlie Brown, but this is fun.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, totally.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_06: My kids are in high school and it's a favorite.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_06: So I mean, they we did brainwash them early on.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_06: I'll mention it.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_06: Uh well, Jessica, it's so fun to have you officially for the podcast.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_06: I know I've been bugging you, quote unquote, a few times about news.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_06: But this time you are here to represent the Enneagram sixes.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_06: I really, you know, I'm I'm just so grateful to know a lot of wonderful, amazing Enneagram sixes.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_06: I love the connect point.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_06: I think the shared wing, the sense of loyalty, the shared pain and blessing of being in our mind, being those head types.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_06: So I feel like some of the sixes in the world are are are up there with my besties.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_06: So I just love, I love just the joy you bring, the effervescence is just awesome.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's the like ultimate and six compliment.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_04: We love having you in our corner.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_06: We're glad to be here.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_06: I know that a lot of my friends have gotten to meet you the last couple of Enneagram summits that we've had.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_06: And of course, I'm already dreaming about the third one that will be happening.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_06: You always are just such a like I can count on you to bring the truth, to bring the gospel message, to speak straight to the heart.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_06: I would love to know just a minute here what it is.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_06: What do you think your personality brings to the season, even as there's a lot of feasting and celebration and gathering?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just kind of curious to hear your take on what do you think six brings to the table, if you will?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man, I think six is it it's the sense of community.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's there's something we carry so like not just uh sectioned off for holidays or sectioned off for special things, but I think the way that our brains and our hearts work is always this idea of cultivating community.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I think when it comes to the holiday season, uh that can tend to be our superpower in the sense of like, I know uh wherever I go, I'm gonna gather.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna do something alone in that sense.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: And so uh I think that is the blessing of a six during the holiday season is uh we we will be connecting with our loved ones.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we will we will be reaching out, uh, whether you want to be reached out to or not.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: We'll we'll figure out a way to reach out in a way that you enjoy, but we're here, we're present and we're ready to uh really celebrate and and love our community well.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_06: That is good.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_06: It's so true.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_06: I the next question that we've been asking focuses on gratitude.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_06: And I've framed it a little bit in relation to orientation to time because we all have our strong suit when it comes to, you know, the three, seven, eights.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_06: We're looking forward, we're looking ahead, we're already doing our 2023 planning for the four, fives, nines.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_06: They're looking past reflection, honestly, remembering what to be grateful for is not an exercise they're unfamiliar with as far as looking past to explore what has been.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_06: And then there's the ones, twos, and sixes, and they're very present-focused, they're very aware of what's happening in the moment.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't mean that they don't get distracted from those that they're present with, but as you take time to reflect on the past, how is that exercise look like for you?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_06: And what is on that gratitude list?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think uh it's funny that my answer kind of blends in with from the past answer, this answer.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_04: I am grateful for community.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like when I read your email and this question of what are you grateful for this year was on there, I really thought, like, is there anything I'm more grateful for than having the space once again to spend time with loved ones and to cherish that time?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think you never realize, and it goes back to us being focused on the present.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: I never realized the gift that community was until we didn't have it for two or three years there.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_04: I think this is the first year uh that we really believe in the new normal.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: I think we we are constantly shifting as as humans and in sp in our times and spaces, but I've never been more thankful for um a gift that I think I just really never learned to take for what it is until we didn't have it.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_04: And so for me, even like just being in campus ministry, this idea of community has been it's been what's flourished uh our our our ministry this year, and that in a friendship space, in a family space, to just have the space to have time with loved ones uh and really get to know and connect people face to face in a way where it was just kind of easy to hide and isolate over the past couple of years.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's just been, man, it's it I've I've walked with more joy in the past year.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I think knowing the pain that we've been through in the past couple, and it's just been such a gift for me.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it it really is what I'm most thankful for this year.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_06: Beautifully said.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_06: I would wholeheartedly agree about this community piece.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_06: I see it in the community.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_06: I see it in the email replies I get, I see it in the comments and the direct messages.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_06: People are hungry for that connection.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_06: They're eager to not just connect at a face level, but at a heart level.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_06: I can tell in your personal Instagram account, oftentimes that is clearly like any posting there, because I follow both of them and one of them for all the Enneagram goodness and all the like, what's really going on in Jessica's life?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_06: And it's clearly community that's you're constantly snapping a picture of that moment together, those people you care about, wanting them to give a shout out of love.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_06: And um, yeah, I love it.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_06: I think that's so good.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_06: And it is as a Enneagram six, and any type can can do it in some measure, but there is a superpower ability that uh you clearly lean into.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_06: So way to go.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm I'm just thankful.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_04: I'm thankful.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: And like I said, it's just one of those, like when I think of all the people I've gotten to celebrate and learn from this year and and just know and and hold space for hard conversations and conversations that are just light and fun.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_04: You realize like you take for granted when you go into a state of isolation and everything is so polarized, just how much you really need people uh and and how much you bring to the table, any enneagram number, just as an image bearer of God, you bring something to the table that He has specifically designed you for in community that shines in community because that's what we're created for.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and it's just been such a, like I said, it's just been such a joy to get to see God's goodness in all these faces up close and right, like right here.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not much of a like physical touch person, but every time I see someone, I'm like, I can hug you.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just so glad you're here right now.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_06: Oh it's yeah, a beautiful gift, right?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_06: To be able to be in proximity and shared space.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_06: And again, I think I think the isolation maybe taught us that to maybe step outside of the fear we have for going deeper and invited us to maybe some of those deeper places and yeah, to connect in spite of the polarizing.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_06: And Lord help us.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you know, it's a tough but sacred gift.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_06: So yes, yes, it is.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_06: When it comes to Christmas music, to totally switch the subject.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_06: All right, do you listen before Thanksgiving or do you allow yourself or do you make yourself wait?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: Amy, I am Filipino.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: We start so the running joke for Filipinos is that Christmas, you start celebrating it in the bear months.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: So once September hits, like yeah, this is that is the like shining beacon for all Filipinos, the Batman sign up that Christmas is here, and so I I don't mind indulging in Christmas music a little earlier than Christmas.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: Normally for me, I'll really start it like Thanksgiving time comes, the airdrops because in Texas yesterday was still 80 degrees, you know.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_04: You can't we had a random cold front come in, it's gonna be like high of 50 these next couple of things.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_04: You're like freezing.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's just like it's it's such a whirlwind of weather, but as soon as as soon as we get this first drop of cold weather, you got the you got Christmas lo-fi on, or you know, just Christmas music, you get your favorite coffee, and and you just start like getting really excited for the holiday season.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: So yes, I am team.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: As soon as you can celebrate Christmas, start celebrating it.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_06: I love it, I love it, and that is so fun.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't know that culturally and the connection with Filipino and that that culture that that would be hey, harvest is happening, you know, we're and you called it the dry season, right?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_06: Where it's it's it's time, it's time to bring out the jingle bells.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's time, we're ready, pasco season.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's just it's we're here, so I'm a big fan of the holidays.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I also my birthday's two days after Christmas, so everything's a party that week.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_06: Wait a minute, you and I share the same birthday.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_06: Mine is the 27th.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, let's go.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_06: I knew, I knew you were special.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_06: I love this.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: You understand the Christmas birthday season then?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: You are right there with me.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_04: It's double celebration time.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_06: It is, and Jessica, I have to say this because it's too funny to not state in this moment.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_06: I married a man whose birthday was December 22nd.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_06: Our first child was born December 23rd, and of course, one of my sister-in-law's her birthday is the 24th, so we've got that whole week.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_06: That's how my sister got a brother-in-law in there.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: My sister's December 20th, Christmas, December 25th, I'm December 27th.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: Then you got it.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_06: This is all the reason to one big party.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_06: We shut down for like a while here at Simply Wholehearted.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_06: Like we're just we're celebrating.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, that makes sense.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_06: We're enjoying the close of the year.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my god.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I love it.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_06: When you do turn on the Christmas music, what is that song that lights you up?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_06: Or when you sing it at church Christmas Eve, or I really love um some of the churches we've attended over the years, begin to sprinkle it in during the worship service throughout November and December.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm I'm a big fan.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_06: So for you, is there a song that you just love?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_06: And I know it's hard to choose one because clearly you love this as much as I do.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: I tend to so if if and when my friends listen to this, they're gonna laugh because I have a so like a real soft spot for sad music.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what it is.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, this is fun.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's that five-wing, like it just kicks.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm real introspective, like it's just so like you hear me.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: It is I think I'm the only person I think I keep the song Christmas shoes in business during the whole thing.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Are you serious?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: So for Christmas songs, Christmas shoes, I don't know what it is.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's like I'm ready to cry, I'm ready to hear the story of someone who's who's giving it all up for their mom.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's just it does something to my heart.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: But for for Christmas carols and church music, it's silent night through and through.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Just the that just the line of uh a weary world rejoices, like a thrill of hope is coming.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_04: And I think like yeah, when I think of the Christmas season, when I think of the story of God at work, and it's in the moments of mundane and in the silence where shepherds are in the field and people are going on with the world, and yet there's God moving in between it all, and we see that really cultivated and culminated in the birth of our savior in the most normal space, and you begin to think of how God is doing holy work in these mundane moments of our life.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know, there's something about Silent Night that reminds my soul like it feels like we're trudging along right now, but we know that the bigger story of our faith is that God has been weaving his beautiful work through and through.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: And so I don't know, there's just something about that song where I'm like, I gotta worship right now.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, we're so sad, sad girl, sad girl winter for Christmas songs, but Christmas Carols, Silent Night through and through.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_06: And you even pull out a line.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_06: I agree.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_06: The weary world rejoices, a thrill of hope, lyrics that have meant a lot to me over the years.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_06: And you're not the only one who has highlighted that.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_06: So shout out to Silent Night.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_06: I think it is a good one.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_06: I I feel like traditionally that's the one you start lighting the candle, you sing an acapella, and it's just a holy goosebumps moment that you can't ignore and just embodies all of what uh we love about Christmas.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_06: So anyway, great pick.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's really good.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's one of the it's it's uh it's it's a what is it called?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, it's like a a crowd pleaser, I guess.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, there you go.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, fan favorite, crowd pleaser.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: I'm with for good reason.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: If you're gonna be a if you're gonna be a crowd pleaser, at least be good.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: And it is so it is, it is okay.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_06: I know we've talked about this before.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know if it made it into anything that we've shared, but clearly someone likes to get shoes, and shoes might be on her Christmas list.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_06: I already know what shoes I'm getting for Christmas, Amy.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: I already know.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, then so clearly Jessica loves to put shoes on the list.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_06: I'm kind of curious to know why.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_06: And then secondly, what other things traditionally might be on the list?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_06: Is it is it those Enneagram six things that everyone puts on you, like home security systems and some of those goofy things?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: A little.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: So as far as like the six-ness part of me goes, I think a lot of people lean more into like this girl needs to relax a little bit.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_04: I got candles over here.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: You get like like just like relaxing, calming gifts, which I do need, but then I'm I'm just a very practical person.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: Like I just and I so for me, like water bottles galore, perfect gift, yes, perfect gift because I know I'm gonna use them and so yeah, you're prepared too.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm prepared.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: One of my favorite things I do with my roommates is uh I don't even know when or how we started this, but every year we get each other Christmas snack bags, just your favorite in a bag.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like this is awesome.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's it's things I know I'm gonna.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm totally gonna use this.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's things I know I'm gonna use, like, and it just makes it so easy too.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_04: But uh, I think for me, I like choose really big for me books.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: I love to read.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, I this is the first year in a couple years I'm not doing the 200 book a year challenge because it's just been a bit of a whirlwind of a year.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: I love to read it's like uh it's one of my greatest hobbies, and so um usually with my family, they we're very practical gift givers because we already tell each other what it is for the most part, yes, that we need or want, and so um that's that's been our Christmas gift tradition for as long as I know.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like just kind of hey, what are you wanting?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: All right, we'll see.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'll get it like that for my mom.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_04: I get vacuums or like an instant pie, and it's just like this is this is awesome.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's things I know I need that I'm not going out of my way to buy myself a lot of times.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yep.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I think it's great, and that practical nature of the sixes is right there, very shared with the one.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but I think it does have something to do, a little bit of that edge of of preparedness, if you will, and and being ready for whatever comes your way.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'm raised by a very, very strong Enneagram one mom.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, you I do something.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like I I know how to make sense of the world, gifts practically.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like, we're not, I'm I'm not a fan of surprises either for the most part.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: It's just not all like that makes sense.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_04: I don't ever know, like I'm one of those people that are like uh I dread the thought of someone coming out of a restaurant to sing happy birthday to me.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: Because you just like never know how to respond or react.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: That is my reaction with any surprises.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm torn between I know how.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: should be grateful for whatever it is this is but I also don't know how to actually anticipate this so it's like one of those like frozen yay yeah uh thanks are we safe here like just moment well I will not be sending you a singing gram on December 27th yep yep you'll be like uh uh I love it I love now I'm gonna totally remember my birthday twin and you will be getting a happy birthday wish from me every year now from here on out so you gotta you gotta when you find your birthday especially Christmas birthdays oh yes please can we talk about this where it's uh it's funny because the people that you love most go double time to celebrate you yes but then it's that like next section of people you know well but not super well I cannot count the amount of like Merry Christmas cross off birthday cards I've gotten in my life and it's just like it's the thought that counts I guess right right I could you can't do that to someone in March.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_06: Nope nope it's true it's the only time you can get away with it.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah oh I hear you okay well someday we might have to do a a Christmas um birthday episode for all the Enneagram types out there who share birthdays Christmas week or something what not to do holidays but yet you know okay well I have uh a good guess that you already shared that for your family you're used to being real practical and everyone shares the list and you give the list so what does gift giving look like for you maybe outside of that when it comes to because community gift giving that's probably a big deal yes so I'm I I use strength binders talk a little bit on the uh on the summit talk we did yeah but my number one in strength I don't know if you know strength binders language really well at all my number one's actually individualization no case that's where even like that for ish nature comes in right and so for me like it it does something to my heart to know that I know what I'm getting someone and so yes the that it there's fun in that for me of like what is something that I know you need but in a way that is just like very you and so you know uh so for me that that that's the like fun of gift giving where it's I get to celebrate the relationship that I have with someone through the gifts that I'm giving them in that sense.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: And so sometimes it does it comes off extremely practical because that's what I know like that person will love.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: And then I'll use an example I'll use one of my best friends is an Enneagram for and for years we've had a running joke when it came to Harry Potter houses because she always tested in Hufflepuff oh that's hilarious.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: It is like the bane of her existence just watched the Gryffindor so yes yes anything but it just became such a like funny running joke for us and so one year for Christmas I found on Etsy I found a certificate for Gryffindor like to be a Gryffindor that you could personalize.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: And I got I ordered it I got it framed and everything and it was just one of those like this is it it is not practical in any sense other than I know it shows you that I care about this joke that we have or this thing that I know about you.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's actually kind of really important because it I hear you I hear what you're saying when you say this and so for me it's it's little things like that where I'm like I I think with a lot of Enneagram sixes I wouldn't be surprised if gift giving is your time to shine because you listen I think we listen really well to our people and so I think it makes uh it translates well for for gift giving I think absolutely I love it I that is the theme the intentionality through and through what I hear again and again the overarching thing I you know I I've done a gift guide for years that's just kind of a fun general general thing and some extra cute little gift tags and things like that.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_06: But the the rule of thumb is if you want to be a good giver intentionally listen and be curious not just at Christmas time but throughout the year and when we pay attention and we turn outside of ourselves right like that's selfishness that we have but we begin to look outward and and see what other people are all about then we do have this opportunity to become really good gift givers and and delight delight those that we love which is so much fun it is I'm with you I'm with you oh Jessica I like you know these conversations it's fun it's frivolous and yet you brought so much of course I am not surprised so thank you thank you for sharing your heart your joy your laughter your intentionality and even your love for Jesus so have a very merry Christmas and thank you so much.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Merry Christmas happy birthday all of you above for you Christmas to everyone here uh I hope you enjoy your season and and really cherish your time with with your loved ones well but yeah I'm I'm excited for Christmas let's go let's go yay Mirna I am so excited to have you be a part of the advent season and since we last talked you have another edition in the family I do I do little Malia Rose she is everything absolutely perfect seven months old now which is wild oh that is wild that first one the milestones feel a little bit slower because you don't have a grid for time but that second one blink and they're walking so but facts she's actually trying I don't even know that it's trying anymore she's crawling she has two little teeth that came at four months she's crawling she literally like is just trying to do stuff trying to be with her big sister.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's awesome she's really such a light in our lives right now.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know if you know but my first two are 14 months apart two girls and at first I wasn't sure I was like will they hate each other?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_06: Will they always be competitive?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_06: How can I love two little people?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: And of course my first one didn't walk till 19 months old so I was giving two babies but I'll tell you what now they're teenagers so it's not harmony and they're seven and an eight respectively but but they really uh just some of my most precious memories of life is seeing their friendship develop and meld and oh it's so fun isn't it oh that's so fun to look forward to I'm seeing it now with the two little ones um just the way that my youngest Malia lights up when she sees Mia is truly everything.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like Mia loves her is protective over her checks on her at school all the time like they just oh my gosh my heart like I I love it.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: She this morning wouldn't leave the house um dad wanted to take them to go get donut or Mia to go get donuts but Mia refused to leave because she just wanted to be with Malia and Malia had to come with her or she wasn't leaving which I'm like go get a donut but nope Malia wants to come too and so it's just it's so precious how loving and protective she is over her.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: I love it so much.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh what a beautiful thing and I love the names as well well done it's really tricky we get them wrong a lot um but apparently I was told that it's gonna happen regardless of what we name them.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: So Mia Malia is perfect.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah yep and you know sometimes the dog gets called a kid name I don't think I call the kids the dog's name yet so we're doing good we keep it that way yeah yes oh well those who are part of the wholehearted Enneagram summit of 2021 got to meet you.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_06: You're known as Ennea Health on all the places you had so much goodness in that summit but because of a new baby this year it wasn't possible we're excited about next year.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah but in the meantime I had to get you on for something so this was my way of do it.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_06: So tell us a little bit what's the Enneagram type you're representing today and just a little bit about your experience maybe even right now as a mom juggling two kids a business and all the things.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so I'm an Enneagram type one um my subtype I think is self-prez and social is the um backup type and okay um it's it's been really interesting this this postpartum season didn't quite take me out because here I am and I'm in great spirits but it it it shocked me my first was a lot easier um kind of went with the flow and it was a lot lot easier to kind of go through that season but this post I had postpartum anxiety have had not really sure where we are in that um spectrum but it was hard my my husband struggled with my mood swings um and I struggled I was worried about both kids in a way that I've never been worried about them before and as a one it I think I already had anxiety right because I was trying to do all the things the right way and all the things but um that anxiety was just like wait what did I do wrong in this pregnancy like what why is this happening to me?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it was just a lot to reckon with and a lot to process through and I think what was the most beautiful thing about this season that I've been able to learn is just to be gentle with myself to just be with myself in a way that I don't think I've ever allowed myself to truly be.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I I actually I stopped working the business accidentally of course stopped really like I engaged with the clients I currently had but just like really took a break and allowed myself to just be with my family and it probably has been the most rewarding gift that I've given myself because I can see myself now coming out of that hard like the really you know it's still hard but the thick of it that hard I can see myself coming out and like I have a passion for my business in a way that I didn't before.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so much clearer on who I serve and how I serve them.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: And like I feel like I get it on a much deeper level like how to just be with myself in a way that is still challenging because I'm the like I gotta do all the things but um it's just it's beautiful and it's been really really rewarding for me and my girls I feel like they get to see and they've helped me become a version of me that I honestly never thought was possible.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_06: Well dang girl um I know we're talking about Christmas and gifts but I think you just had a mic drop moment for some friends of ours who are listening.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_06: So thank you thank you for sharing vulnerably I I would testify do uh the first one experienced some depression during pregnancy but then the second one it was the after and it wasn't anxiety it was the depression piece but there wasn't really a lot of conversation around it yet back then.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_06: And oh it it will take you out for a time and it definitely knocks you flat on your back and there are no ways to explain it unless you've gone through it.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_06: So our friends who've gone through it or who maybe are um let this be some extended grace and care um to you through this share.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_06: So thank you Myrna I yeah you're you're doing awesome I'm excited to see what's ahead then like the fruit of it is going to be fun to watch and I think you will be able to show up even more powerfully for the people that you're serving because of what you've been through.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah anyway just awesome well I have a feeling I know what's on your gratitude list this year but I'll just let you share whatever and we could also just like of course it's the girls but it could also be the girls it's the girls um I they have forced me to become a version of me like I said that I just didn't think was possible.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: But honestly like it would have I would have to say my husband Tyler is probably top of that list.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: I put him through a lot in these last seven months um and so have the girls but I I mean you know you get married you know who you're marrying you don't really know the future of who you're marrying and then you have a baby with this person and that person just kind of loses their mind and is like completely different.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: And the way he just stuck with me and has been patient with me and I mean we've had you know more tense moments than just patience and grace and beautiful ha it it hasn't all been pretty but like he's the most loyal human um that I've ever met and I'm just so grateful that he has hung out with me in this season and like he got in the trenches with me.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I am better because of it.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: Our girls are amazing because of it and I just feel like um it's just such a blessing to have him in our lives.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I'm just I'm so grateful for him and just how he has shown up for all of us in this season.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: They've just been patient with us.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_06: Oh what a gift I the shout out to the guys who have hung out through those thick and thin moments and who are like what is what is possessed her I don't know he's he's he's had some conversation with his friends that I've heard and I'm like yeah I know I'm a little uh not so great I'm not so great right now.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_06: It will always be this way yeah that's right that's right oh man I love this well I may this be a reminder for those of us who have someone to think of whoever has stuck with us through the thick and thin um may this be a good reminder to tell them how grateful you are so I love it.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_06: Okay this one someday I keep saying someday I might do just a Carol episode and talk about the neat stories about them I love Christmas carols.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_06: It's just so fun.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_06: We are dabbling in playing it now we're we're you know slowly easing into it even though at the time of recording it's not quite Thanksgiving yet.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_06: So I like Christmas music.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_06: For you though Myrna do you have a favorite Christmas carol maybe one that has a great memory or you just it feels like Christmas when you hear it or you know it's it's on repeat maybe.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny I just wrote a blog and a post about this that'll probably come out in December but um I played the viola and my viola lesson teacher just asked me what Christmas music I wanted to play and I was like none of that churchy stuff like none of the like slow like silent night like I want the fun up beat and I'm like this is very different for me like what's going on um and I think there's a season for everything right like there are some days where I really just want like the slower more gentle things.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: But right now it's joy to the world and jingle bells.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: Jingle bells I think because my daughter sings it all the time and it brings her so much joy.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: But I think my seven is starting to show a lot more too in this season.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And those are very upbeat and allow me to like to be and like enjoy.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: But joy to the world um I think mainly because of just the message that it brings and um joy would not necessarily be the word that I would have used to describe myself most of my life and probably serious you know and like all the things that the unhealthy one of me was like wicked and stubborn and all that.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: But I think Joy to roll really just helps with like in this particular season there's like a freedom and like I really feel like again it's a hard season but I'm seeing so much joy um and I'm appreciating joy in a way that I've never been able to before.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so it just feels like that that song just encapsulates so much of what I'm feeling in this particular season.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm excited to play it on my viola um this season and just hang with the girls and enjoy all the the upbeat music and there'll be moments where I enjoy the slower ones too but yes but celebration celebration just kind of the the victory and um funness that the season can be uh wow okay first of all you play the viola I don't think I knew that about you brilliant and I would echo the sentiment the joy and I it is such a parallel to you accessing that line to the seven and that has been birthed from forcing in this place of just being and being available but then what has been made available to you through that is this effervescence and lightheartedness and desire to celebrate what a gift what a gift to your girls what a gift to your husband too and may there be joyful sounds throughout these next several weeks and yes lots of lighthearted celebration.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_06: So good yes okay this is the fun element where we're talking about gifts we all have our different ways of engaging with gift giving and gift getting and some don't really do it for whatever their convictions are uh but we all at some point love to get gifts and gif gifts what's been pretty fun is throughout the years because I've done these this conversation before and I even have a gift giving guide because well there seems to be some consistent patterns out there not a hundred percent of the time but pretty strong patterns so you got to tell us what kind of gifts are on your list typically and maybe even on your list this year.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: That is probably my seven might show um in this question because it's it is so different every year.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: But in the past things like my Viola that hung out on my list for years um and then finally Tyler was able to get me one um but it's typically things to allow me to have fun.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: So like books, my Viola, um I like being able to get things for the house which is very one of me.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's probably the very one side um like I got an Instant Pot that I never used um but I did get that one year that was really exciting and loved getting the kitchen gadgets.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't actually have my list figured out for this year because I kind of want a lot a little bit of a lot.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: This is gonna sound really funny and very mommy.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I really want the like life size dollhouse for my daughter.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's funny because at this age it's like what do I want?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's really what I want for them.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so it does change a life size dollhouse for her.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: So that's very high on our list this year on mine slash hers.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: She doesn't know it yet because I'm getting it for her.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah I feel like this year is kind of like what are the things that are going to allow us to have fun and hobbies and um traveling is definitely like the the the big big ticket item typically every year.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like I just want to be able to plan for our trip for next year.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so like let's save the funds for the trip that we're gonna take next year as a family.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so we'll see what that'll be this year.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_06: Oh I that is so fabulous.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_06: And you know even the nod to it's fun and it's what's fun for you.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah maybe a seven wouldn't agree with things for the house are fun, but it doesn't matter.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: Works for me.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's me very happy I mean I won't use it but it's it's really nice to see them there.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: And then I convinced my husband to use them um so that's that's brilliant.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: It has been glorious he uses our air fryer um and it is a glorious that's awesome.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_06: I have yet to venture in that Instapot fryer space air fryer space it seems like a good idea but I would probably be guilty of being too afraid to use it incorrectly that's probably what's happening here.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_06: Like I'm just I don't I'm like I don't know how to use it but you figured it out so you just that's awesome and you know then I don't have to prep dinner it's perfect uh in the end this is a win win a hundred percent a hundred percent I don't see anything bad about this yes well you did mention something that you're really excited maybe to give this year you know whether it's on her list or not is this life size dollhouse which precious I hope you post them on the gram.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_06: But typically what are the things that you're thinking about gifting other people that brings you joy to give them or even the why giving gifts brings you joy.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah uh this is probably not surprising um but things that really allow them to experience wellness or health.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: And so you know friends that like they take showers all the time with their two second showers.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like here's a shower steamer really enjoy that two second shower um or books for fun.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think so many of us enjoy reading but we're always reading like you know books to learn and sometimes it's just fun to read like a trashy book that's just for the trash sometimes that's just fun and escape.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: And so really thinking about I like to really think about what a friend or spouse or partner or whoever I'm getting a gift for like what what are they currently going through in this particular season and what would encourage them or really fill their bucket or really fill their soul and giving them gifts that are super aligned to that, especially the things that they wouldn't do for themselves.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because I find that you know for me there are a lot of things that I'm like I'm not gonna do For myself, but if someone gave it to me, it would be great.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like I would never buy myself a Viola.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just needed somebody else to do it and buy it for me.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's like, yeah, I get to enjoy this thing that really makes me happy.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I think I do that with others and just really think about like what is it that they need and leaning into that for them.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, that is that does seem to be a it's kind of that like higher end element of taking the practical and making it just a little bit more special and luxurious and all of that.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_06: This is a a really healthy way that one is improved.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_06: And I think, yeah, I think it's an awesome gift, awesome way and to to approach it.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_06: So I love it.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_06: I love this.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_06: I've loved our conversation.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's too short, but I cannot wait to connect again in 2023 and just get to watch and observe what the Lord does through this new new level of fullness and health for you.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_06: So Mira, thank you so much for sharing today.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much, Amy, for having me.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yay, Sarah, you are here on the podcast.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_06: I'm so excited.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, thanks for having me, Amy.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_06: I'm excited to be here.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_06: This is kind of fun because for you and I, we have gotten to meet as client coach uh on Zoom.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_06: So this is a little bit different.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_06: We're stepping into a new role, which is really fun.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, only a little bit nervous, but you always make it safe and just enjoyable.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_05: So we'll have fun.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_06: Well, it's just been such a joy to work with you over this year and to get to meet you and be part of your story in this, you know, chapter, if you will, I like to say.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_06: Uh today though, I when I was planning and dreaming of this episode, I went through prayerfully who gets to represent each type.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_06: Um, some of my first choices, it wasn't the right timing.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but and I I get the joy of knowing a lot of your Enneagram type, but I I was like, I think Sarah.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_06: Sarah needs to represent.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_06: So let us know a little bit about who you're representing today.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm representing the type twos.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_05: So those of us out there who are focused on others most of the time, um, not always from the most pure heart intent.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, just people person and um always trying to love and help and encourage and um connect on a heart level.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_05: So that's that's me.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_06: It's one of those things that when a woman who loves Jesus says they're an Enneagram too, I typically gotta like, really?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_06: Right, right, absolutely.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_06: So I would love to just hear maybe in a couple words or phrases, how what was it that you you're going, I I know that I know that I know that I'm a two.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_06: And because we've done the work, I can very confidently say, yes, Sarah leads as a two, that is for sure.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_06: But for you, what was your aha moment?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think um definitely when I heard it first described, um, you know, it was that moment that you hear described of your soul is known at a level you didn't even know it.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but as I continued to do that deep dive and held that area of caution of, I know Christian women are often, you know, in that two bucket because of the behavior of serving.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but as I as I looked deeper, it really was that core fear of being rejected that, you know, when I thought about, you know, in this situation, I felt anxiety or I felt fear and why and trying to pull those layers back.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_05: It more than any of the other fears represented by different types, it's that fear of being rejected by people that I love that just seemed completely detrimental to me.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um, that helped me to know that I know that that's that's what drives me.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I, you know, just absolutely never would never want to happen.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: So I'd be willing to shift who I am and you know, change what I do or change what I say if it meant that I was accepted and loved by the people that I'm that I'm looking for that from.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_06: So beautifully said.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_06: The the rejection itself is understanding that that's the derailing moment for you and and knowing that that's the root of it.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um helps helps ultimately the getting what the soul longs to hear from our creator and that longing met because we will get rejected again and again.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_06: That's a given on this side of heaven.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_06: So, how do we go to him so we're we're not stuck in that constantly getting derailed from what it is that we're supposed to do?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_06: So love it.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for sharing.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I know that there are probably many things on your gratitude list this year.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_06: I I could probably think of a couple of them just in our conversations.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_06: But for you, tell us a little bit what that's looking like as you're reflecting on the year past here, which is hard to believe that we're, you know, we're gonna be stepping into 2023.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_06: What?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_06: But what are you grateful for?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, well, as I was thinking through this, um, not to be cliche, but I think Innegram coaching is one of my just things I'm most thankful for from a few different angles.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um, number one, this is the year that I became a coach, and that's something that I've wanted to do for a long time.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_05: And um, my family's finally at the capacity level where that made sense for us.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_05: And so um it's interesting in being becoming a coach, just the deeper dive that I've had to do in the training and all of that has really unexpectedly given me a fresh view of the Lord's love for me.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and that has just been a gift.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_05: And then getting to, you know, experience that with others and lead others to that same truth has been incredible.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then the second angle on that is in becoming a coach, you know, I thought it's probably good to get coached too.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's probably like a good thing that I should do.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so the Lord led me to you.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_05: And that has been um, I very much underestimate underestimated the impact that that would have on me.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um the encouragement in that space, the challenge, um, you know, being able to for you to be able to see my blind spots in ways that I couldn't.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then the safe place that it is in that coaching session.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_05: I just um could never imagine that impact.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_05: And then thirdly, um, from a coaching lens, since we since I've been diving a little bit deeper um and doing a lot of that alongside my husband, he has actually become aware of his type, um, which is different than the type that we thought he was for the past seven or eight years.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_05: And so that new discovery, when we get to the core, what is truly the longing of his heart, what is truly driving him, um that, you know, other than just like what he looks like on the outside, the behaviors.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_05: And so that new realization together has brought him so much freedom, has brought brought our marriage so much transformation.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_05: And so it feels like through this that the Lord is kind of pursuing my heart in a new way and pursuing my husband's heart in a new way.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_05: And it's just been such a gift.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm really thankful for that this year.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I don't think that's cliche at all, knowing how kind of the trifecta of experiences that happened and really came together this summer for you.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_06: It has been an honor to get a front row seat to that.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_06: And and I don't, I don't want to say this in a way that discounts anyone else that I work with, but there is a special joy that I have derived from getting to coach coaches.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm not going to do a training program for coaches like Beth McCord.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_06: YEC has their become an Enneagram coach program.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_06: That is their thing.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_06: But what I have ended up doing is coaching a lot of certified Enneagram coaches who who realize, oh, I think there's a process here that I want to experience first.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I've created my own 12 session type of thing, you know, it looks a little different.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_06: But uh I I think what's fascinating is that those who are hearing about Enneagram coaching are still figuring out what is Enneagram coaching.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_06: And so this is just you even alluding to it being so different than what you knew.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, totally.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_06: Has been one journey.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_05: It takes, it takes the tool of the Enneagram and the language past just these are words on a page, you know, this is information in front of you, and it takes it to a level of, oh, this is how it applies to my life.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_05: This is how it actually shows up.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_05: When I'm in the kitchen and we got in an argument and I'm frustrated, you know, this this language is a tangible way to say, okay, how is my soul reacting?
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_05: What am I running away from?
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_05: What, you know, how am I defending?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_05: And how can I instead just be loved by God in this moment and react out of that space instead?
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_05: So it just brings so much life application to it beyond, you know, Instagram.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_05: I'm sliding to type two and seeing what it says.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_06: What does it say for me?
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_05: Right, right, right, right.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_06: And I think what's been fun is to see that even though uh the person that I'm working with has a lot of knowledge about the Enneagram because they've been trained and certified, there's still more work to do.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_06: And this is why I need a coach.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_06: This is why I need a counselor, this is why I need people offering spiritual direction in my life.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_06: We never grow past the need of it.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_06: There's always more to ultimately more to the Lord, more to more life in him.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and and yeah, so I gosh, I guess apparently there's a couple of these conversations I've been having lately that I'm like, oh, there's a whole nother episode in this because we got started on something and right one stop.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_06: But it's been a joy.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_06: I've loved it.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_06: I love hearing how that has been it is something at the top of your list and all the fruit of it.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_06: So I I'm getting to see the fruit of it and just excited for all the goodness to follow in this next year.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_06: I'm excited.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_06: Me too.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I have been wanting to do a Christmas carol episode for a long time or like a fun blog piece, dive into some of the origins of the lyrics and music and how they came about in the compilations.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_06: But what has been neat is to hear the different Christmas carols that are favorites of each type, not just because it there is a reflective nature of it because everything is.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_06: But there's sometimes really sweet memories attached or meaningful moments, or for some people, it just isn't Christmas until they hear all sorts of fun stories have come about it.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_06: So for you, what is that favorite Christmas Carol?
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I would say tradition-wise, definitely Silent Night, you know, the Christmas Eve um service at church.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_05: So many memories.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_05: But I think the one that I um that causes the most just reflection and um peace and joy in my heart is Ocome Ocome Emmanuel.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_05: And I really think it's the um because Emmanuel is God with us, it really speaks to the relational desire in me of you know, God's presence being here, him being with me at all times.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like that, that is one of the attributes of him that speaks to my heart at a deeper level.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, when it's saying rejoice, rejoice, his presence and him being with us leads us to joy.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_05: And so that's the one that speaks to my heart a little, a little deeper.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, that's beautiful.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_06: That is, yeah, yeah, that's a good one for sure.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_06: And it speaks to just a piece of you as well of how you love to offer that out of the overflow to to provide some of that safe place.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I know with your spiritual direction combined with Enneagram coaching, oh, you're gonna just be able to help so many people.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_06: So thanks.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_06: So exciting.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_06: And the other two questions are all about gift giving.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_06: Every family has their own unique traditions and feelings around gifts and and all that sort of stuff.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_06: But what has typically been on your list through the years and maybe even what's on the list this year as a mom of young kids and as a wife and as an entrepreneur and all the things?
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_05: Let's hear about it.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I would say my classic answer is definitely I don't need anything.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but when I say that, I'm secretly hoping, you know, specifically my husband, I'm secretly hoping you've heard me say something the last couple months.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_05: You've written it down, you're gonna surprise me with it.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um so I say I don't need anything, but I'm still hopeful that you're, you know, thoughtful, thoughtful and considerate.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I think specifically in this season for me, I would love any gift that allows me to have solitude.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that that is both from the lens of this season of life with little kids, you know, having that space away, but also through my growth journey and realizing when my significance has always come from other people instead of the Lord, the more that I can have solitude, the more I'm tethering and reconnecting to his love for me and not, you know, receiving that from others.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_05: And so a massage or, you know, just time for a walk or a day off for a silent retreat, things like that that allow me to just be with the Lord really feels the most, that is the most refreshing and life-giving um that I could ask for.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_06: So good.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, it is kind of fun to hear some of the answers reflect that growth of that opening themselves up to something different, finding that it is really feeling and wonderful.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_06: So it's worth it's worth investing in asking for and all of that.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_05: So right, because you know, of course, I love the time with my people.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_05: And so I would love a gift that's like we're going on a family trip, you know, or some type of quality time with my people too.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_05: Like, of course, that's amazing.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I I have come to learn and experience more and more how, but I have to have that time in solitude too, uh, to be able, you know, to be sure I'm not um attaching too much to those relationships.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, yeah, it's good.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_06: All right, let it be heard.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_06: Massage on that's right.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_06: He knows my favorite place, so that's awesome.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_06: That is so awesome.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, and on the flip side, twos notoriously are labeled as the gift giver of the season.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_06: I I think yes, there is some because they're attuned to others, it does help their gift giving skills.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_06: But it also that reflects love language a lot of times.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_06: And we have to take that in the full scope and sequence as we're talking about personality.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_06: So maybe you're gonna confirm our theory.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe you're gonna give us some other thought process, but tell us about the gift giving.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_06: What brings you joy?
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_06: What do you love to give?
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_06: What what makes this season fun for you?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I would say I align with that because in my family, like that's my title.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the best gift giver.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_05: And so um there is a two in our family is as well.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, it's our intention.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there is a lot of joy in it.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I would say the most, the most custom and personal, you know, the the more exciting it is for me in the search of, you know, I remember a friend like walking into her house and she had a candle on, and I just asked, like, I was like, this smells so good.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_05: What what um scent is it?
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_05: And she told me, you know, the brand and the scent and said that that was her favorite candle, you know.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_05: So of course I write that down.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_05: And when her birthday comes, you know, I give her that exact one.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_05: And so the the more personal, you know, whether it's a flavor, a scent, or you know, the trend right now is like the birth flowers for, you know, your kids' different birth months, birth months.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so personalizing like that brings me a lot of joy because I know it's not just like, you know, some some off-the-shelf, you know, just uh boring item.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um but you know, I also love when I give the gift, I love for the reaction to be what I'm hoping for.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_05: I want it to be big and so emotional and oh, this is the best, you know, how did you know and all of that?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um but speaking to the growth journey again, um, the Lord has shown me how much of that really is about me and me wanting to feel that that puff up and that feel better of like I did it, I got exactly what they wanted.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I know that that feels good and that affirms for me that I am the best gift giver and there's a sense of pride there.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_05: And so I've noted that because there have been moments where people didn't react that way, where they opened the gift and they were like, oh, thanks.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_05: And instantly I'm like offended.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, do you know how much in my head, do you know how much time and energy and money I put into that?
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um or I either get offended or I get, you know, insecure.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_05: If it's someone I don't know if I have their love for sure or not, um, then that reaction really makes me feel a lot a lot more concerned of are we good?
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_05: And so the Lord's been opening my eyes to if my worth is attached to what I give, then that can be really, really high or really low based on you know how they react.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_05: And then I'm just giving to get something.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um, versus if I'm truly experiencing his love for me and acting out of the overflow, I could, I can be personal and I can be customized and all of those things.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um and if they respond well, great.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's just extra, you know, it's extra like cherry on top.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, not letting myself get too attached to that, but still enjoying the process at the same time.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_06: So that is so good.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_06: You just helped on Enneagram too, who has not understood their emotional roller coaster or gift giving.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_06: It can be high or low for sure.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but it's it's so true.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_06: And it's that it kind of goes ties into for a two of being generous and truly altruistic without tied to the outcome or what it might do for you, but to give, and that's going back to even you figuring out what it is that you need so you can give out of the overflow, not for a demand for something, even if it's just a reaction, right?
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_06: Because maybe maybe you've thought all along as a two, you're giving to be given back to, but you were given maybe giving for more of the response, which in itself may not feel bad, but if that's what it's your worth is tied to, it still creates negative coping mechanisms, right?
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_05: And it's ultimately not fair to them because you know, like I have a close friend who's a five, and she is never gonna give me the emotional response that that I'm hoping for and looking for.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_05: But if I'm, you know, if I'm holding her to that in any way, then you know, that's not unfair to her, and that's it's ultimately not loving in our relationship.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_05: So part of it is learning who am I giving to?
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, again, how can that be out of my overflow?
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, uh, that's good.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe that's even a segment of like, hey, just so you know this about these types they respond this way.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_06: This is why.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_06: It's bad, it's just because well, Sarah, I know you and I could talk all day.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_06: Uh typically our sessions are like, oh, the hours up, darn it.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_06: So much more.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_06: But thank you.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you for hopping on here, sharing about this.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_06: And I just wish you and your whole crew a very Merry Christmas.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_05: We wish you the same, Amy.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_05: Hope for uh good weather, appeal tea.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yay, Becky, you're back on the podcast.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_06: I'm so excited.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_06: I'm so excited to be here.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for having me back.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_06: I think you kicked off the fifth annual advent season last year.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_06: So here we are, sixth annual advent season of the podcast.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_06: And we're talking about Enneagram and gifts again, but also Enneagram and just Christmas in general.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_06: So who are you representing today?
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_06: Tell us all about your personality.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, where are my Enneagram threes at?
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I am a full-blown Enneagram three.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_08: Um and yes, you are.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_08: Proud of it.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_08: It's good.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_08: It's a gift to the world.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_08: I, you know, I feel like no matter what our personality type, whatever our wiring, it is a journey, right?
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_08: To see it as a gift, to also recognize the ways that the hard things about our wiring are meant to draw us closer to the Lord and not just closer into ourselves.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_08: So yeah, it's it's a journey for sure.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_08: But um, yep, enigram three here.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_06: Love it.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_06: I think women have a hard time.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_06: Really, those who are type three at first embracing it.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_06: I think there's a lot of avoiding and trying on the different types, but when you're a three, you're a three.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_06: There's just no, like, let's just own it.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_06: And it's not about Thing.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_08: And that's interesting that you that you say that.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_08: That actually has not been my experience.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I when I first was introduced to Enneagram and started reading about it.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_08: And um, I mean, even just the title Achiever, I'm like, yep, like that is who I have been since I was a kid.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and yeah, so I mean, there are definitely things where and I feel like, you know, as women in the church and Christian ministry, and there are definitely those layers of like, is it is it okay that I'm that I'm made to achieve?
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_08: But definitely learning, there's a there's a stark difference between achieving and striving out of our own strength versus embracing and leaning into the gifts and passions that are God given and saying, God, I want to partner with you in whatever you are doing.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_08: Like I'm along for the ride and I will be your yeah, go getter, do it with excellence, um, girl.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_06: So that's awesome.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_06: And I would bank on there's some healthy family of origin and parents sewing into who you are as a person that really has helped you to be able to own it and celebrate it because the women that I tend to that have danced around it, they're they haven't felt that freedom necessarily.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_06: And I think that makes a big difference, a real big difference.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, you may be right.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_08: I I honestly can say that I can see some unhealthy family of origin stuff as well.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_08: But um, you know, coming from a family of divorce and feeling like in my early years, I didn't, I don't think I had a healthy view of being an achiever.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_08: It was my way of seeking affirmation and attention and security and control when I felt like I didn't have those things.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_08: Um But also I did have parents who who were proud of me, who who who were like shoot for the stars and who also grounded me.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_08: Um, like one of my favorite stories is I remember in high school being up late at night working on a paper because it had to be, you know, excellent.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_08: The best, the best, because I was the best.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and my mom yelling from the bottom of the stairs, go to bed, take the bee.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, what?
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_08: Like that was like not even like in my psyche of like possibilities.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so there wasn't, I think I think I could thrive because there wasn't the pressure from other people to achieve it was it was self um inflicted.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, inflicted is a good word.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, that is so cool.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_06: Just whatever your parents' personalities, how they balanced you just in their natural, maybe they weren't even intentional about it, but they just knew how to offer that other side of take the B.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_08: That is just brilliant.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_08: Go to bed, take the B.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I think it was, yeah, I I do appreciate that voice of like like what you achieve is not who you are.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_08: And that was, and that and that is that is the message that God tells us too.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_08: Like, like we cannot earn his love, his grace.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and we will life will be really hard when we try to.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it'll be a lot of a lot of work.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_06: We'll be tired, more tired and weary and exhausted, and it's just not worth it.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, that's good.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_06: Awesome.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_06: I love that we went on this little rabbit trail about personality types.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_06: And this is, you know, I'm always so surprised when someone messages me emails or something of like, I listened to this conversation with such and such, and I had the aha moment that they've been looking for, where they heard something back that reflected their narrative journey, experience, thought process that it clicked.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_06: And so it's why it's so fun.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_06: It's that's how we learn a story and all that good stuff.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_06: Which leads us to the next question of reflection and wanting to know.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, I'm sure we could talk for hours about catching up on this last year, but as you engage in the rhythms of gratitude and thankfulness, kindness, all the good stuff during the Appens season, what is really standing out to you as a prominent thing that you're thankful for?
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_08: I am really thankful for rest this year.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_08: Um, that was the word that I felt like the Lord gave me at the beginning of the year.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_08: And for anyone who is an Enneagram 3 or knows an enneagram 3, you will know that rest big deal is not my natural inclination.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_08: Um but I felt very clear in my spirit back in January that God said, Becky, I want to save you from burnout and breakdown.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_08: Wow.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, I I want you to save me from those things.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_08: And I didn't feel like I was already there, but I could see that if I continued, it's been a really long, long, intense season of of work and and and and writing and producing content, um, which are all good things, but just realizing that I that's that pace was not sustainable.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_08: Um I can't remember if we talked about it before, but um, you know, I I write about it, I talk about on my social media that I struggle with anxiety.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_08: And so there's, you know, just parts of my mental health that I I need to to take care of myself in.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and so this year I just that's what the Lord said to us.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_08: Will you let me teach you how to rest?
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_08: Will you receive the gift of rest?
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_08: And um I never want to forget it because it has been such a life-giving year.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_08: Hard, hard in a lot of ways, but um, but but really life-giving.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm really grateful for that.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_06: Whoa.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, for my Enneagram threes here listening, and you're all natural forward thinkers.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe you could consider that word or invitation being a thing for 2023.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_06: Where will the Lord have you engage with rest?
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_06: So, oh, so good, Becky.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_06: Not easy, not easy at all, but beautiful.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, the next fun question that we are talking about this year is Christmas carols.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_06: I would love to do a book or a like a series of episodes about just Christmas carols because they're there's just so many that are beautiful and it's just such a distinct rhythm in the church and outside the church, which I think is really cool because a lot of times we'll hear the Christmas carols at Walmart and Costco and just you know, in the craziest places, right?
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_06: It's being like Christ is being proclaimed throughout every department store at some point or another in these months.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_06: But for you, what is the Christmas carol that you love to sing or brings back special memories, or I don't know, just makes it feel like Christmas?
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, so I have a favorite Christmas carol for sure.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_08: And I was surprised, shocked that you know how like every year on social media or Instagram, whatever, um, there'll be those lists of like the most annoying Christmas carols ever.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and my favorite popped up on that list.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_08: I'm like, wow, that's terrible.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sorry.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe, maybe you will have the same reaction.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_08: But I love the little drummer boy.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_08: Oh that's so sweet.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_08: My favorite Christmas carol.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and I do, I remember listening to it as a little girl on a cassette tape that my sister and I we would play, and that would be the music um during the Christmas season that we would uh listen to going to sleep.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_08: And I don't know, just every year, it just it is so dear to me.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_08: Just the that picture of a child being part of proclaiming um the coming of Christ.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_08: And I love the little drummer boy.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, that is fabulous.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think you should apologize.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_06: I can't believe it made it on the most annoying uh list.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_06: The purpum just like gets on people's nerves.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I have Christmas carols that I would prefer not to listen to.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_08: So who knows?
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_08: But uh I find it very sweet and very soothing and endearing.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_06: I'm curious to know, do you remember the music artist that was had the cassette tape that you would listen to?
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_06: Oh or was it like a mixed compilation or something?
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_08: I think it was, I think it was a mixed.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I always love some good Harry Conick Junior Christmas albums, right?
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but no, I do not remember the specific one that was like the original in my soul.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I um mine's a record version of Amy Grant, uh, the her first Christmas album from 1979.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_06: So that's hard to ask.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_06: So anything, Amy Grant, I have passed on the tradition.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_06: My teenagers, even what Amy Grant, I'm like, yes, I have I love that.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, oh, this is so great.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, these questions have been so fun, year in and year out.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_06: But, and because it's really telling, ironically, and I know the Enneagram is about freeing us from the box, but there are just similarities that are undeniably true for each type.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_06: So, what kind of gifts do you typically ask for?
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_06: And maybe, maybe highlight one on the list that doesn't feel typical, but is just a reflection of who you are.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_06: Oh.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I, you know, I guess like we don't really we do Christmas very simply, both as like a nuclear family and as an extended family.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_08: And so I don't, I'm at the point now, I don't, and for really the last maybe like 10, 15 years, I don't really ask for a lot of gifts.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_08: Um, like I don't put out a Christmas list.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_08: However, I don't know if this is typical Integram three or not, but um, I will always be extremely delighted in a gift card because I like selecting uh my own gifts.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but then like under that, I mean, I will would always books, absolutely, like so happy with books.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I do love clothes and jewelry and makeup and skincare, like pampering things that um I I wouldn't just spend money on myself.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, um, yeah, if you gave me a gift card for a pedicure or a massage, like I'll be your best friend forever.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, please.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, yeah.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_08: So um those are yeah, those are some special ones.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_08: Tell me about those are those are just typical.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_06: Those are typical.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_06: No, this is great.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, some people would maybe go, those are the things that you want because some of the pampering or the indulgent enhance your even the books, your gift set, your ability to show up in the world, the how you want to.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_06: So yes, you know, all of those, it's just so fun.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_06: I I love it.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's great.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_06: And the I in particular, those who are more decisive love the gift cards because they really don't have a problem spending them ultimately.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_06: It's the joy of getting to choose.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_08: Well, and I and I'm such a I guess it's a good thing.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_08: I'm a terrible liar.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_08: And like, so if I get something and it's like I I still appreciate the thoughtfulness, but like I can't hide it.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_08: Like if like I would never wear that sweater.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_08: Like I get like my face, like since I've been a kid.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_08: It's like just it's kind of it's kind of bad.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_06: So um it's not bad at all.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_06: People know if you're happy with it or not.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_08: So they're I feel like I I feel like I'm Rachel Green, you know, like the that's the epitome of like, do you like it or do you like it for the amount of store credit you like it?
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_06: So that is good.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_06: That is good.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_06: That is a great way to reframe it.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_06: That is a good one.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_06: And that's where you can still have joy on your face.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yay!$50 at my favorite store.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_06: Uh okay, last but not least, this has been really fun to explore the what is the motivation in your gift giving?
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_06: What do you love to give, or what is it about gift getting and giving that brings joy to you?
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_08: I love to give um gifts that help the person know that I that I know them or that I really appreciate them.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_08: Um I remember, you know, again, like I said, like we get like we're not a big gift family now, but I can remember um being this way as a kid, like saving up my money.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_08: And my older sister um had a Converse sneaker collection, and I saved up and I went to the Foot Locker in the mall and I bought her American flag Converse with my own hard-earned little money.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and just yeah, I just I I I loved that.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_08: Or one year, um, speaking of old music, my sister had um a record of um Sesame Street classic songs and she loved it.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_08: And I one year I found it on eBay and and I and I bought it for her.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_08: Um so things like that.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_08: Like, but so if you're my friend and I know that like you love plants, like I'm gonna try to find like the cute mug with the plants on it.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so yeah, just things that say like, I remember that you told me that, or um, you know, it doesn't have to be like big or extravagant, but um like I I want people to feel seen by me.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_06: That's beautiful.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_06: That is a great it is just telling of who you are, the beauty of your personality and what you like others to maybe even recognize about themselves that I think there's something about a three that can draw out the best in people where they don't even know that's there, that gifting or that love, and maybe that friend getting a mug about her being a plant lady or a plant mom.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_06: She's like, Oh yeah, gosh, I am.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and I like that about myself.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yes.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, this is so fun.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, you and I, we could talk forever.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_06: I felt that way last time we had a conversation.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_06: No time is gonna be long enough, but thank you for representing the threes and sharing a little bit of your world today.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_08: Thanks for having me, and thanks for the work that you do.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_08: And uh happy holidays, happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas to all of you Enneagram Threes, um, and everyone who loves a three.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_08: So tell your three today that that she is uh that she is loved for who she is and not for what she does.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_06: It seems like a silly, frivolous podcast episode, but there's been some amazing truth bombs that have been shared along the way that I know people are gonna listen and go, oh, whoa, I I don't think I've thought of that before, or I really needed to hear that, or it reframes something in a way that I don't know.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_06: I I mean it was very intentional with who I asked.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_06: So um I'm grateful um and intentional by praying and you know, picking picking people who are quality.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_06: So you know, I'm not having any Josh Mill on this podcast, that's for sure.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's exciting.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: I just did something just before we started that said because I think I always need to know all the answers and how it looks before I step into something.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: I just am realizing that more and more.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it said, I'm not afraid of what I could go wrong, I'm excited about what will go right.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_06: Ooh, I feel like that.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_06: That is good.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote it down.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_06: Would you say that's very interesting?
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_06: Would you say there is an element even of your personality type that would lend itself to the glass half empty, and this is speaks to how to live with it more full?
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that is awesome.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_06: That is awesome.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's always my heart's desire to be able to be quick to be joyful about something, and it always is an effort.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I would say I wouldn't say always, I don't like saying always, but often it's an effort.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'll find that, and I it's not like I'm just heavy and melancholy all the time, but but sometimes it's it's like hey, be intentional.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_00: I I know I need to be joyful about this right now, and so yeah.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that was like I'm excited about what will go right, and right now God has me in the middle of you know, reading through every day some declarations, just speaking truth to my heart.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that that really encouraged me.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_06: That's beautiful.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_06: I yeah, I mean, this is where I'll let our friends into the conversation and say, Well, clearly you can tell already that Deanna is a deep well, and this is why I love having gotten to coach Deanna, though clearly there is an element where the coach inside her can't help but share all of that stuff.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_06: Which which um I've I've loved getting to work with you this year and and meet you and just get to play a a character in this chapter of your life, if you will.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I hope I get to be part of the a lot of chapters in the years forward.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_06: But I I mean, one of the the reasons I wanted to invite you on is I think you just reflect such a healthy version of your type.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_06: So that being said, let our friends in on your personality type and who you get to represent today in this conversation.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, I am an Enneagram type four, and I'm currently 55, and I've known that since I was in my twenties.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it really stuck out to me.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_00: So they call that the individualist, but I have a very strong wing five, which is a bohemian.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I was thinking today in basic terms, I love withdrawing into beauty and the beauty of things, and then helping others see the beauty that God has brought.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful who I am in my type for sure.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, that is so good.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_06: I forget sometimes the different names of the pairings of how how that looks, and there's even names when you start going into tri-types and subtypes and all these different things, but um I think Bohemian captures it really well.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_06: Plus, plus it's a cute type of clothing, so there's that one can see.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of hits the hippie part of me, I think.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, I see it.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_06: I totally see it.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_06: Oh well, as you are reflecting on this last year, which there is a strength that four has in reflection.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_06: I like to talk about it every once in a while because it often lends a lot of off a moments to those who are using the Enneagram, and that is orientation to time and how it how we relate to it.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_06: Four, fives, and nines in particular, can relate to the past a little bit easier.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_06: They can uh reflect.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_06: Now, the goal for the four is to not be ruminating but reflective.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_06: As you are practicing gratitude in your day-to-day and looking for that glass half full, as you look back over the year, what are those things that are on the list of going I can be grateful for this?
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we were just discussing trying to be grateful for snow last night, and I have a click on there.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_06: Well, and let it be said, it is beginning of November, and I got pictures from Nyla, who doesn't live too far from you in the Saskatchewan territory, and I'm like, What?
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_06: This is like and it's only the beginning.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Beginning of our six months, we call it, yeah.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think I always try and walk with a grateful gratitude, like always, about being God's daughter, about being my husband's wife, about being my children's mama, and um about most of all, this is my greatest joy in my life right now, being the grandma to five.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, one of my treasured roles.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but if I narrow it down this year, Amy, I'm gonna put you in that list because I'm grateful for my job as a coach.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_00: And in that the path led to you, and I get to bring you from your wisdom and um experience, and I'm excited.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_00: See, lucky I'm getting there now.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm excited to see what God has in our new ventures together.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, Deanna, I this blesses me so much.
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_06: I it's an honor and a joy, and and just to give a peek behind the curtain because I I clearly have already stated in one of the other conversations, I love coaching coaches.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_06: There's just a new level of joy because a lot of times you have the information, but you're getting to learn how to wear the information.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_06: And sometimes in the coaching process, every client is uniquely different, and we're investigating different areas and and bringing Light and healing to them.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_06: But it it is it is a unique joy to get to help someone take that information to the next level.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_06: And and just to peek, I there's some people who have called me and done the discovery call to do coaching with me, and I haven't been able to serve them for different reasons.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_06: And Deanna has been at the top of my list of who I've been able to refer those people to, and they found it to be a wonderful fit and have had wonderful things to say.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_06: So kind of for those of you who are listening and part of the wholehearted community in this way, you get to get a sneak peek to go, hey, Amy's gonna be creating what is called or how I'm not gonna be creating what's been created for me, is called the collective.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm really excited where there'll be just a small handful of uh highly respected and vetted coaches who I'm gonna be excited to say, hey, if I can't serve you, if I'm not the right fit, I know some women who would be a really great fit for you.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_06: So it's kind of been happening and it it was very organic, which I think for you and I in particular, that's been the fun thing where it it's not forced, it's been really natural.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_00: I remember you saying at the beginning, I I always knew I wanted to work with other people.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you said, but you as a four, maybe not so much.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that is that would probably be my tendency to do that.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_00: So stepping in is is a great adventure and very frightening, to be quite honest.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_00: But it's again, I'm excited.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, it's frightening for me too.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_06: Let me let me be clear on that.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_06: This is a step of courage.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_06: There's a couple things that um the God has been really kind.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_06: I've been there's been some like like challenging things, I would say, over the last two years, but it's been more God being kind to me and giving me fun distractions and and just cool wins and and like the summit and things like that.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_06: But I feel like 2023, having gone through the healing journey that I am, he's finally like, okay, it's time for you to step up.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_06: And so there's a couple things right off the bat that I'm like, okay, this has to be a God idea.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_06: So anyway, I'm excited.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_06: We'll, yeah, well, there'll be more to come, more to follow in that.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_06: I don't want to derail the conversation here.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_06: But thank you.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_06: I, gosh, I feel honored because um I know you adore your kids and your husband and of course your grandkids, and you're you're good.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_06: I I think I would just like to state for the record one of the things I immediately saw in you and in working with you was your wholeheartedness.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_06: And that's where the kindred spirit comes in, and where um just let it be said, when you find another wholehearted person, and it's not because they weren't broken, but it's because they allowed the Lord to mend them.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_06: And and there's a different connection and kindredness that happens.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_06: So just know that as my wholehearted friends, these you're navigating, you're like, why do we connect with certain people over another?
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe it's because of their maturity in Christ and how they have let the Lord heal those hard places.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_06: So anyway, okay.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_06: Back to the Christmas.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_06: All of these conversations, it's gonna be so fun to see them all come together and be like, wow, who knew?
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_02: So good.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_06: I love Christmas music.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_06: I love listening to it, kind of maybe even uninterrupted, though.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_06: Sometimes I've learned in years past I'm feeling a little um, oh, I don't know, a little bit more drained.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_06: And I realize, oh, my normal worship set hasn't been listened to.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_06: It's been more all the cutesy Frank Sinatra, Michael Boublet, Harry Conig Jr.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_06: tunes, which are fine.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and some of them capture the meaning of Christmas, but there's there's, you know, always those songs that capture our attention, maybe even arrest our heart.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_06: And funny I'm using this term because probably for a four, that would be true.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_06: There's a dive, there's a dier.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_06: So what has been a favorite Christmas, Carol?
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_06: And even either because it there's a special memory or it just it feels like Christmas when you hear it.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the first thing that came to mind is every year with my family, we crank up the Boney M Christmas album because that's what my mom used to do when we decorated the tree.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've kept that tradition.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so out of that one, I would have to say Mary's Boy Child is probably my favorite one that I sing to probably more than just Christmas time.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there's that one, um where's the other one?
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Mary Did You Know?
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's more a resentment one.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_00: And what captivates me about that, um I just imagine myself putting myself in Mary's shoes and thinking, I'm going to give birth to the savior of the world.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what?
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Mary, did you know what?
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like she must have been so just overwhelmed by the grace of God.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_00: And um, the one line I love in there is when you kissed your little baby, you kissed the face of God, and it just wrecks me every single time, you know?
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_00: So my heart is wrecked by that.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_00: But um I'd say classics, like Jangle Bell is so fun and silent nights.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I really love them all.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know my I tease my friend who starts Christmas music in November, and and but I love them all, especially when they celebrate, you know, and tell of the reason to the season in Jesus.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would say it was really difficult to pick one.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell?
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, yeah.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_06: No, that's so great.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_06: And what's so funny, I was trying to wreck my brain.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_06: Two things though.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_06: First of all, what was the album that you said?
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_06: Because you said it Canadian enough.
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure I know what it was.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_00: Bony M?
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know Bony M?
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you have got to check it out.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I do.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, can you spell it?
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just called Bony M Christmas album.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_00: So then K-O-N-E-Y, and then M, the letter.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_06: I have never heard of this.
• 1:34:25
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Bony M.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, I'm Googling it.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_06: I am guessing.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_06: I have a lot of friends who are Googling it right now, too.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_06: Because I figure I think I know all of Christmas music, but that is not not what I've heard of.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_06: So I can't wait.
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm excited.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_06: You'll have to tell me what you think.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_06: And the other thing is, all our friends listening who have listened to all the other conversations are have already made this connection, or maybe they're trying to remember as well.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_06: But someone else, and I think it was our five guest, said they really loved Mary.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um, Mary, did you know?
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_06: And like it's totally escaping me, and I can't even think.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and it was kind of that it was the thing too, is that there was a line from that song that really stood out to them.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_06: So anyway, I just thought that was fun.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_06: And if it's the five, you definitely have a strong five wing.
• 1:35:19
  SPEAKER_06: We've talked about this often.
• 1:35:20
  SPEAKER_06: And so yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_06: The irony.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_06: That's so fun.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_06: I can't wait to kind of piece all of these together.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_06: We've had some fun, uh different conversations that it was just one guest for each episode, and we've asked some of the similar questions.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_06: And so now combining all together, it's gonna be great.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_06: See if we can find some themes.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_06: When it comes to Christmas gift giving, everybody has their own unique traditions.
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_06: They have their maybe their way that how I think the the most culture shock I had from like how my family did holidays versus my husband's is gift giving was this big secret, conspiring.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_06: You maybe had some announcements of what was on your list, but it was supposed to be just general ideas.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_06: Like you give a general idea and the person gets to run with it and and find their own way.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_06: Where in my husband's family, if you put it on the list, you get that thing.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_06: And it's not that you don't get everything, but you just get that thing.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_06: There's like not a whole lot of creative thought.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_06: And it's that was like one of those radical things.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_06: But all of that, and then other families, they don't really do gifts, they just do experiences or they want to do charity.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_06: They everybody has their own way.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_06: But even with birthdays, we have some general things that we tend to ask for year after year.
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_06: So for you, Deanna, what's on what's been on the list in the past?
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe what's on the list this year, tell us.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was thinking about I'm pretty simple and practical, actually.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what I ask for.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_00: And just about everybody in my life knows that get me pens and get me journals, and then I'll just be.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_00: You should, you would just if you knew how many of those things I had is my quote.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of an obsession.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_00: And but I would love it.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh things to remind me about Jesus.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the practical sense, my husband would say, What do you want for your birthday?
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I need new runners.
• 1:37:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say stuff like runners?
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_06: So is that like tennis shoes?
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like sneakers.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Is that a Canadian word, too?
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_06: I think so.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_06: I love our global episode.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_06: We had our friend from Jamaica represent the fives, and we've gotten to do a little travel.
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_06: That's so fun.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_06: Runners.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna have to use that now.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_06: I need some more runners.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Although I don't actually run in them to be quite a little bit.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_00: But you move in them, right?
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_00: I do move in them.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I think probably, and I'm just learning how to do this to speak more of the longings of my heart, which would be as a gift, uh, when people see my heart to give me a gift, and it includes my loved language of uh quality time.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_00: So they got me something like let's go for supper, let's go to the movie, or adventures, or just even sitting with tea and having blankets and having deep discussions and all of that.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_00: That would be one of my favorite things to get for sure.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_06: Is quality time one of your top love languages?
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Quality time and physical touch, actually.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, too.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so massage could go on their pedicure, some things like that.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, definitely.
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 1:38:51
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I think that's great.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's really indicative of your lens that you're looking through as well and what is meaningful.
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_06: I do think it's fun to add in that layer of what is love language, and that is oftentimes reflected in what we want or how we want to give as well.
• 1:39:07
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_06: For you as you prep for Christmas with your mini children and grandchildren and all the gatherings that oftentimes ensue, right?
• 1:39:19
  SPEAKER_06: Because we don't, we're not always guaranteed to get together with everybody and we have to do sometimes pockets with this person and that person.
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_06: What is what is it that brings you joy when you give gifts or the type of gifts that you enjoy giving?
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think I'm simple and practical lots of ways in that way too.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like if new babies are born, I give diapers, or if someone's hurting, I take Kleenex and toilet paper to them, and um towels for my daughter, and sheets for the kids, and socks and underwear, you know, those kinds of things.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_00: But probably my favorite is just being really intentional.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_00: I love writing cards to speak truth and love to people.
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um I love holding space for people.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that that to me is a great, a great gift to give.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um just what just recognizing their love language and being really intentional about finding like that is and being authentic in it.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or just seeing if somebody tells me something they saw two months ago and I'm like, ah, I got that up here in my hand, and I'm going, I'll keep that in the back of my mind, and I make links for I saw this person love that, and they I saw this person love that.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes shopping though is really overwhelming for me because I see all the needs of the people and um want to give.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_00: So then I start.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I do it with my grandmother.
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_00: I start in October shopping because I think then I'll just be done and I won't overstand, but then I just keep shopping, and then I just see something else, and then I just think, oh no, they need the downmost to Christmas or whatever it is.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_00: So the let's go on and on.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's one reason why I get overwhelmed with it, and I want it to be something that can just be like a unique connection with this person, even if it's a grandbaby, to be able to go, oh I know.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I have one granddaughter or grandson, and she will wear nothing but pink right now.
• 1:41:27
  SPEAKER_00: She actually went into her drawers and took all the other clothes out.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_00: So she's two and she put them behind her dresser, and her mom said, What are you doing, Elsie?
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, No, mama, pink.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my land.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he's gonna be a force to rack them with, right?
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like your mama.
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's not even thinking, okay, Elsie wants all the pink things, so I'll get her all the pink things.
• 1:41:58
  SPEAKER_00: So just being yeah, really intentional about that.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's fun.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_06: So great.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_06: Clearly, Elsie needs to read Pink Alicious.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_06: They would be kindred spirits if she hasn't already.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_06: They're adorable children's books.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_06: They started coming out about when my girls were little.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_06: I think it became a cartoon, even.
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_06: So Pink Alicious will be her jam all day long.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I can't wait.
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_06: I can't wait for you to give that.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I wrote that down for sure.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_06: You brought up a great point.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_06: And I think some of the overarching themes that I'm just gonna share here because I've had enough of these conversations now where it's the in the intentionality of paying attention.
• 1:42:41
  SPEAKER_06: And one of the gifts of the Enneagram can help us become more curious.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_06: Oftentimes that's what we're talking about in our client sessions, not just you and me, but in general, that's that's what we come back to being curious about ourselves, being curious about others, engaging in difficult conversations with curiosity, but it it lends itself to the gift giving as well, because when we are in tune with what others' desires are and what lights them up, we we can be the gift giver that we want to be.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_06: So beautifully said, I I think it's true.
• 1:43:16
  SPEAKER_06: And, you know, a tip for overwhelm that I don't always follow well either because I'm the I just I'll start buying and then I've got to like match the buying so it's even right, you know, not necessarily dollar amount, but the quality and the love and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but someone gave a tip about choosing like themes every year.
• 1:43:41
  SPEAKER_06: It could change even where you uh or or you could stick to it, where you always give something for them to learn, to wear, and to play with, or you know, that kind of thing.
• 1:43:50
  SPEAKER_06: And they sometimes put some people have related it to the wiseman gifts, um, gold frankincense and myrrh.
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_06: And and doing that, I'm like, you know, the boundary does serve a person really, really well.
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_06: And helps me with the overwhelm.
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_06: So I I think it was, I think it was last, oh no, it was two years ago.
• 1:44:10
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't really stick to that, and I found myself feel like, uh yeah, okay, I need to get back on that.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_06: Like back into them.
• 1:44:19
  SPEAKER_06: Wonderfully placed.
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Deanna, thank you so much for sharing today and just coming on and being you and you, the wonderfulness of you um is gonna bless so many.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_06: So thank you.
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you for taking the time.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_06: And I really do wish you the merriest of Christmas.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Amy.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's an honor to be with you.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Merry Christmas.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_06: Friend, did you find anything in common with one of these wonderful women?
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe your family does some of the same traditions, or maybe you remembered something that you used to do that you would love to incorporate in your celebration rhythms again this year.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_06: I hope also maybe you got some inspiration that you've been needing for this year and the gift-giving extravaganza.
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_06: If you were a little bit disappointed for this episode to end, this is great news because as I mentioned earlier, you'll be getting to hear from the rest of the Enneagram types that weren't showcased today next week.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_06: As you were listening to these conversations, did you have a friend that comes to mind who would really need a little bit of lighthearted inspiration?
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe a fellow mom preneur, maybe a mom who is in the trenches, or maybe it's even your mom.
• 1:45:39
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe she would enjoy this.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_06: I'd love it if you would send this episode her way, maybe via text or in the Instagram stories.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_06: You know, just make it easy and have fun sharing it.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe even ask the Lord to put a name on your mind to send these episodes to.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_06: Any of the advent season episodes are meant to encourage and inspire wholehearted celebration rhythms.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_06: Also, if your Enneagram type got to share today and they had a Christmas gift idea that you would love, maybe send this as a little nudge and a reminder.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_06: Alrighty, friend, until next week, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for the wholehearted rhythms you desire.