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That's when I farted, and then a portal opened.
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What are you talking about, Ben? Coming up...
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We haven't talked about egregores in forever.
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Most cemetery hauntings are egregores. Whoa.
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In my mind's eye. This is so weird to say, and
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I hate it, because I don't like thinking about
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that sort of stuff. I've never heard you say
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this. Ever. So here's the thing, gang. I have
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a question that would have been a good question
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for our Paranormal Yes or No iconic episode.
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It's like a fan favorite where we spent an hour
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trying to answer simple yes or no questions,
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but we couldn't agree on anything, okay? I think,
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though, we'll agree on this. Can cemeteries be
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haunted, yes or no? Yes. Yes. I agree. All right,
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great episode. We all agree on something. But
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oddly, something we rarely agree on. It's rare.
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We often don't agree. We finally agree on something,
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yet we still have to do a whole fucking episode
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about this, because we agree. We're always the
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odd ones out. One of the few things we agree
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on. Anytime we post anything spooky, adjacent
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-related in a cemetery, We get swarms of comments
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saying something to the effect of, but cemeteries
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aren't haunted. Cemeteries aren't haunted. Why
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would a ghost choose to hang around in a cemetery?
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If I was dead, I wouldn't go back to a cemetery.
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Cemeteries are peaceful. You are being disrespectful.
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Don't ever say a cemetery is haunted. I have
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people buried there. okay so i'm sputtering out
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here but you get the drill people don't believe
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that cemeteries can be haunted one of the three
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fucking things we agree on is controversial welcome
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to our podcast where we take deep dives looking
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at various topics through a paranormal lens well
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i think the big thing why people don't think
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cemeteries are haunted is like you have the argument
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of, like, oh, well, ghosts are because, like,
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the person died dramatically, and, like, they're
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in the, like, where they are, where they died
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is where they haunt, and they didn't die in the
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cemetery, so why would their ghost be there?
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So, I think that's one of the bigger arguments
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I see, that they didn't die there, so why would
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their spirit be at the cemetery? Which is understandable,
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but, like, But what if you don't believe in intelligent
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hauntings? See, now we're getting into different
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waters because I remember a while back, I don't
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remember if it was on one of the podcast episodes
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or if it was on an old episode where we talked
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about how when we're at cemeteries, like you
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go to a cemetery for a funeral. it's a solemn
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event lots of people have emotions a lot of energy
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and what does that create and what have we talked
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about in the past about when there's an event
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with a lot of energy and emotion impression so
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yeah i i don't know if we talked about this on
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the podcast because We just talk about this often
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off air. So if it was in an early episode of
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the podcast, then someone can let us know. But
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yes, I agree. I like that theory because my mindset
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is the same thing. If we go to a creepy old abandoned
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asylum and we say, oh, so much emotion happened
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here, so much grief, especially like a hospital
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is a better example. you know grief sadness sorrow
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all these emotions can create residual energy
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that can still be felt years to come you know
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go to any cemetery have you attended a funeral
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that's some real emotion that's not just from
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the 1800s 1900s that in many of these cemeteries
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they're still active or recently active that's
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emotion has been going on continuously since
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the 1800s every week there's more and more and
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you're amping it up why wouldn't a cemetery contain
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either a residual energy or b guess what i'm
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gonna say egregore that's not what i was gonna
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say oh my god i did not actually anticipate you
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going to that but we haven't talked about egregores
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in forever and yeah that does make sense I actually
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think, because I was thinking about this earlier,
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I think, in my opinion, right now, most cemetery
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hauntings are egregores. Yeah. Strong emotions
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can create egregores. That's a known kind of
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theory. So I think a lot of cemeteries are haunted
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because of the, again, to beat a dead horse,
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you know, it's like continual emotion, emotion,
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emotion, feeding the air, feeding the environment.
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um i think that can create a haunting born out
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of grief born out of emotion and so let's say
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we're i don't believe in intelligent hauntings
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at all if we go to a cemetery and we're talking
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with a spirit right do we think it's You know,
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just because we look over and we see Betty is
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buried next to us, are we talking to the ghost
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of Betty that's been communicating back to us?
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No, I don't think so. Could we be communicating
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with the energy associated with Betty after her
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funeral and all the people that come and pay
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their respects? You know, especially, all it
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takes is one ghost hunter to go there and think
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they have a creepy experience because, believe
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it or not, cemeteries... can be creepy especially
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at dark especially when you have hazing rituals
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and people teenagers going out getting freaked
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out you know if one person gets freaked out by
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betty's grave that can then spiral as well so
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you have like multiple angles of like egregore
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creations with the hazing with the anyways i'll
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let you guys digest that little egregore bomb
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yeah that's definitely an interesting interesting
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thought on that i had i It's crazy that I hadn't
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even thought about egregores. My brain just hasn't
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been on them. It's been on residual energy lately.
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I have a question for you. So I think one of
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our most striking cemetery investigations was
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at Soup Cemetery. And notably, I think you've
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talked about this, but if you want to talk about,
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remember that time? The first time you ever felt
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a vibe, you know, you walked into like a wall
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of energy. You want to talk about that? Yeah.
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It was really interesting because like I previous
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like this was maybe my second year ever doing
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paranormal investigating. Maybe it was the second
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or third year. Anyways, doesn't matter. Moving
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on. We were doing an investigation with MSUPS
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and we were investigating Soup Cemetery. It was
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the first investigation of the year. Um, we had
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everyone out. We were having a good time introducing
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people to all the equipment, doing all that jazz
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while we were wrapping up the investigation.
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And I think you were streaming a live on Facebook
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or something. So we're like, okay, we're going
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to go to Elizabeth soup's grave to wrap up the
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live. And I was not the person to feel vibes.
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Like, like I said, I hadn't been investigating
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long. I didn't think vibes were a thing. I walk
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through the cemetery and I'm like, I can see
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the tree where Elizabeth's soup is buried. And
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I just hit a wall of what I can only describe
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as heavy, dark energy. It's like at the time,
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was it negative? Was it just heavy? I don't know.
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But it was like an actual shift in the environment
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that I could feel. And it was like, whoa. That's
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weird. And it's just so odd because that's not
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something that I've felt before. And, like, I've
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been in cemeteries. I had been in cemeteries
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with the Paranormal Society. I had been in cemeteries
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for other reasons. Never felt that sort of thing.
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Was it just because emotions were high? Like,
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adrenaline? I would be inclined to not believe
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so. Because that wasn't my first time in that
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cemetery. And honestly, the first time I had
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been there, a lot more happened. And that night,
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some things were happening. But nothing super
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crazy the first time. It was the end of the night.
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My adrenaline wasn't high. And it was just a
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wall of energy. Super weird. Can you explain
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this wall of energy more? What does this feel
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like when you say wall of energy exactly? it's
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so it is so hard to describe like like you're
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walking into a room everything's kind fine dandy
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whatever but all of a sudden like you hit the
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only thing i can describe it is as a wall something
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has shifted in the air it feels heavier like
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you know how you walk into a room and you can
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feel like the humidity is different like i was
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I was thinking, is it kind of like when you walk
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into the room and you can tell that you're walking
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into a room where an argument just happened between
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people type of thing? Yeah, exactly. It's just
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you can feel the energy. Kind of like you can
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feel the shift in other things. And by wall,
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did it actually stop you in your tracks? Yeah,
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I stopped in my tracks and I'm like, whoa. holy
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crap what was that what is this i've never felt
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anything like this before um so that was that
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was like the first time i had ever experienced
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anything like that what this reminds me of is
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i know ben you only believe in like residual
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hauntings and type of stuff but if there is something
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more than just residuals i'm thinking of like
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threshold entities Yeah, I mean, I was, I brought
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this up initially because I think this is an
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example of like an egregore type of threshold
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entity. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And
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I think when you have a place of high emotion,
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you know, a place where, again, to reiterate.
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There's a lot of emotion in cemeteries that's
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contributing to the hauntings, whatever the hauntings
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is. I think it's more, like, energy, residual.
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These kind of rips in the seams, so to speak,
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of, you know, time. Melting layers in the cheese.
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Cheese layers. Cheese layers give way to residual
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energies, and they also give way to doorways,
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so to speak. So, Angela, you're correct. But
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also, I thought this was a good example, because,
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like, a wall of energy. is a good picture to
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like paint of like cemeteries have energy you
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have you know all these all this grief all this
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stuff that creates energy that can still be felt
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literally stopped in your tracks do you think
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that was a ghost because go back to the example
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i hate to use betty apologize if any betties
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are here if betty is buried next to you do you
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really think her ghost would be a wall that you
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bump into in the cemetery yeah i that's a valid
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point honestly you talk to the wall to the wall
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say hi i'm betty yeah that's that's so that's
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so fair i didn't think of it that way i just
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like the visual you know what i mean like it's
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a good visual of like imagine like a lot of walls
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of energies kind of like shifting through cemeteries
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i think that's what the emotion kind of does
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so what's really interesting is i mean especially
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when we first started doing paranormal investigating
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and when we first started with all like the online
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series and just going off from msups a lot of
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the things we did investigate were cemeteries
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and we have been to cemeteries like me personally
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as well like oh there's a cemetery down the road
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for me i'm gonna go check that out yeah it's
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easy There's no vibes. Not every cemetery has
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haunting. Not every cemetery has some sort of
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energy, palpable energy that you can feel in
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it. But there are quite a few. You can't actively
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dismiss and say, oh, no cemeteries are haunted.
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So many people have had experiences, but you
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can't say all cemeteries are haunted either.
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Do you think it is going back to what I said?
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the right conditions of like because there are
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the two layers you know people do piercini we
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did the whole film piercini plague in the pines
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that was yeah famous hazing spot that's like
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every town has their one hazing spot it's not
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going to be yeah all five cemeteries in town
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you're going to have the one cemetery that they
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go you know haze the kids you know prank the
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kids all that stuff go out drinking partying
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all that stuff that tends to be later the haunted
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spot may not have started out haunted but if
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we're talking about the egregore route it could
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have that added layer of heightened emotion yeah
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that combined with the grief and all that of
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the funerals could make it haunted later absolutely
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yeah what i mean i feel like we're beating a
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dead horse at this point what what are your guys's
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some of your guys's like favorite cemetery experiences
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that you have had like we've all had a cemetery
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experiences I've never walked into a wall before
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like a ghost walk definitely walked into like
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a real wall okay wait a minute remember Ben when
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you made a post and I think it was maybe TikTok
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or Facebook one of the comments was like it was
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purposely aimed towards Brianna when she was
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describing the wall and it said oh my gosh yeah
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people eat Belongs in a straightjacket in an
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asylum or something like that. I do remember
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that. It was like, hey, that's rude. Do I still
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have that? Because I have talked about that story
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on the podcast before. Add that to the list of,
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like, comments. And add that to our, like, notebook
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of comments or whatever. I don't know if I still
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have that comment. But, yeah, I posted something
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about it and someone was like... saying you need
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to go to a psych ward and be put in a straight
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jacket if you yeah yeah but like a year previous
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to that experience we would have agreed if if
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someone would have been like oh my god i just
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walked into a wall of energy i would have been
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like you're full of shit why did you say trump
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when you said that i was that was so funny Do
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it again. Nope. Laughing too hard. God. Anyways.
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I want to. I would have said you're full of shit.
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Like energies, vibes. No, I don't feel them.
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So I don't think they're real. But like ever
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since that experience, I've been like, oh, maybe
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they are a thing. And like you can kind of train
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yourself to like. feel them i don't know i haven't
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really trained trained myself but like i feel
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like as the years have progressed i have been
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a lot more sensitive to those sorts of things
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and that that was like my first experience of
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having some sort of energy in a cemetery okay
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i'm curious think to yourself now brie top three
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vibes you've ever like vibes you know top three
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times you've experienced a vibe, okay? Just a
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vibe or in a cemetery? No, no, just a vibe. Just
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a vibe. Because I'm wondering how many of those
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three were in cemeteries. I would say two out
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of three. Okay, so two -thirds of the vibes,
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most powerful vibes you felt were in cemeteries.
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What about you, Ange? You're not a vibe person
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either. You don't feel... I'm not a vibe person.
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There's only, like, a select few times where
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I'd be like, there's definitely a vibe here.
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Were any in cemeteries? The one was in the Lake
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Forest Cemetery in Grand Haven. Yeah, which we
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talked about a couple weeks ago on episode 45.
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there's this instance we're at a cemetery in
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grand haven and there's a big legend about this
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like hill this like stairway to heaven or stairway
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to hell they call where when a burial happens
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they'll see a white light at the top or the bottom
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of this big staircase and they say like that's
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either the spirit going to heaven or going to
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hell if you sit at top or bottom so we go up
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to this like top of this really tall hill and
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it's pitch black and all of a sudden We start
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feeling like we're not alone. We hear like footsteps
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all around us, like we're being surrounded. And
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then we see down below at the bottom of this
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hill, we can see them. They can't see us. What
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looked like two flashlights coming towards us.
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And then a guy's voice yelling. we assumed it
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was like at a dog or something yeah it sounded
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like they were yelling for the dog a dog or something
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but we didn't hear there was no dog there was
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no dog we didn't hear a dog see a dog you could
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see whether they were illuminating in their little
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light and we didn't see a dog didn't hear a dog
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but do you want to know what's even weirder do
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you know how in the beginning it started off
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as one light yeah first going back and forth
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And then the light divided. Because at first
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it seemed like there was only one person. And
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then the light divided. And then it started to
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be like two people. And they both started going
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around the hill area. Coming together. Then coming
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back apart. Surrounding us on the hill. For like
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a good 40 minutes. I didn't even notice the split.
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That's one thing I remember. Because I'm like.
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well i didn't see them at first you alerted me
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to them so i saw them after they were already
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two that's so weird if it started as one and
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then it did start as one yeah so it's like if
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we are assuming these are people then it's like
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what they were walking all the way around this
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hill isn't it like the entrance it's in the back
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so they're walking all the way with one and then
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right when they get to where we are and we're
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silent we're just you know up there quiet we
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can see them they can't see us from our vantage
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point then they're like we're hiding behind a
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big headstone yeah somehow they know we're there
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so then they're like let's with these people
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and turn on our second line kind of what it seemed
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like they could have known and they were just
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going to run then the lights went out remember
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they just went out dude that was scary that was
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scary because we were also getting like on the
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spirit box saying how like don't go down there
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they're dangerous we got like a voice saying
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like they have a gun and stuff too and it's just
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kind of like what the heck and that's why oh
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that's why i didn't see them at first we were
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in the middle of estus and that's that's why
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we were quiet too because we were doing estus
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and then you like tapped me and you're like you
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know yeah and i kept one headphone in while they
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were doing that and i was just like what the
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fuck Another one was actually here in this apartment
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the first time we were investigating with David.
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You've only experienced a vibe twice, and one
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out of the two - Like a hardcore vibe. One was
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when we did a fucking ritual opening a portal
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in our apartment, and one was in a cemetery,
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so the odds are pretty - The two that have been
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in cemeteries, I believe, are the only two that
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have actually stopped me in my tracks and been
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like, oh. That's something there. The first was
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Soup Cemetery. That might just be because that
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was like the first time I ever felt something
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like that. And the second time was, I always
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forget the name of the cemetery, but the one
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up in the UP. Mission Hill Cemetery. Yes, Mission
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Hill Cemetery. Was I there with you? Yes. Was
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that when? That's when I farted and then the
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portal opened. What are you talking about, Ben?
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The first part of that, but yes, there was definitely
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a portal there. I farted, and I didn't want anyone
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to know, but right after I farted and was trying
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to be discreet about it, y 'all started yelling
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out loud like, oh my god, a portal just opened,
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and I'm like, huh? Ghost hunting. What? Why have
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I never heard this before? This is the time you
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choose to reveal this. Is this the first time
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you've ever talked about this? And not on the
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episode where we talked about portals. Okay.
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No. The secret's been well protected. Until now.
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I'm trying to think of what the cemetery was.
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They're all like the wooden crosses. All the
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wooden crosses. It was up in the UP. Yeah, was
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it up in, like, a hill and there was, like, an
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overlook and stuff? Yeah, we could see Canada
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from where we were. Yes, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. There's some really good mushrooms in that
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cemetery. Yeah. Amanitas. Sorry, I just find
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it so funny. It's like, you know, on one hand,
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we're talking about, like, oh, that one cemetery
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where portals literally opened up and none of
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us could remember the fucking cemetery. But then...
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Secondly, all of us remember, oh yeah, that's
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the one, I farted, oh, that's the one, there
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were mushrooms, and Brienne was like, wall of
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energy, guys, portals, stick with it. Anyone
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else, this would be like, like a defining moment
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of their lives. But to us, it's just like, trying
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to remember. It's just the normal day in our
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life. Not the farting part, but the portal part.
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I will say, going back to talking about our top
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three vibes. Well, this is one of them. Yeah,
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my third one was the one that's not in the cemetery.
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I'm actually having a hard time deciding the
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third one between two witches. Well, what happened
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at Mission Hill? So we were... At the back part
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of the cemetery where I believe there was some
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Native Americans who were buried. And I had pulled
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out my dowsing rods and I was asking yes or no
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questions. And all of a sudden I saw a shimmer
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go through the trees right above the white crosses.
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And it was going to the left. And I'm like, do
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you want me to go in that direction? And my dowsing
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rods pointed that way. So I started walking down
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the road of the cemetery. and walking walking
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walking and then all of a sudden i can just get
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this palpable energy coming from this secluded
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little dark spot like it seemed darker over there
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too like just off the side of the cemetery in
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the woods it was just i know it's it's crazy
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woods being dark um But it was just physically
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darker in that area, in that spot. And it was
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just like, I cannot go anywhere near that. Like,
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vibes were off the chart. Could not move. And
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I'm like, hey guys, something's happening. And
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everyone's like, what do you mean? And everyone
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got up to where I was. And you guys were like,
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oh, yeah. Like, we can feel it too. And it's
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like, yeah, there's something over there. And
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I think someone meandered over there and got
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freaked out and came back, but I don't remember.
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But I think at that point, like, a couple of
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us were seeing, like, things shifting, moving
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in and out of the cemetery, going towards this
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dark area. And we're like, I'm talking to the
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dowsing rods still at this point. I'm like, did
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a portal just open and that's why you wanted
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me to come over here? And they crossed to yes.
25:30
It was literally like a three -minute time span,
25:33
and then all of a sudden, gone. Vibrance gone.
25:37
Seemed to lighten up. No more vibes. It's like,
25:41
oh, went over there. It's totally fine. Didn't
25:46
get really any more responses from the dowsing
25:48
rods. It was a really weird experience. And another
25:53
thing, too, because that's interesting. This
25:55
is the same cemetery we talked about. previously
25:59
on our mimics episode where we were hearing your
26:02
voice come through the spirit box so if you want
26:05
to talk about how mimics i mean no i don't want
26:08
to talk about it again we did a whole episode
26:09
on this but if if you know mimics we believe
26:13
are like residual energy and have to do with
26:16
residual and the portal opening up and the different
26:21
Layers of time intersecting. Like Angela was
26:23
saying. In terms of wall of energy. It would
26:25
make sense. There's some sort of rip in the veil.
26:28
Kind of threshold type of thing. That exists
26:30
here. Again at a cemetery. Because of again.
26:37
Emotions. Interesting. Yeah. Emotions. That is
26:44
a good thing. Good point to make. We believe
26:46
in emotions around here, you know? How that manifests
26:50
spiritually, I think, is a whole separate conversation,
26:55
but I think there's no denying that they manifest
26:58
into something, be it a ghost, be it residual
27:02
energy, be it an egregore, be it a time slip,
27:05
whatever. They do manifest sometimes at cemeteries.
27:09
You know what I'm learning? And this is a good
27:12
life lesson. If you want to create a haunting,
27:17
don't hold back your emotions. Yeah. Be emotional.
27:23
Or if you don't want to ever experience a haunting,
27:29
don't ever have a single emotion. I'm a very
27:32
emotional guy. I feel vibes. There's one cemetery
27:36
I can think of that definitely Changed your perspective
27:42
there for a period of time. Which one? Striker.
27:48
Oh. You got barked at. Yeah. So for context.
27:55
We also caught that shadow figure. Sorry. Go
27:58
ahead. Yes. Yes. So for context, there is an
28:02
instance we were waiting for someone to join
28:04
us and y 'all wanted to go. explore the woods
28:08
surrounding the cemetery a little bit so you
28:11
guys took a camera i went back there while i
28:13
waited by the car for this guy who was meeting
28:15
up with us brandon to meet us at the cemetery
28:18
so i was by myself and i thought that was a scary
28:21
situation but no the group was was a scary situation
28:24
because there was a growl that scared you guys
28:27
so bad it was terrifying because we were all
28:29
sitting there where we had found a little like
28:31
alcove off to the side of the cemetery it was
28:35
right by one of the more like haunted areas haunted
28:40
headstones whatever um it was right next to that
28:43
there's a little alcove in the woods we were
28:45
all sitting there together in a little circle
28:48
and the wind was blowing really strong and like
28:52
the trees were making noise and then out of nowhere
28:56
there's like a growl bark something that came
29:01
from nearby in the moment my brain was like that
29:04
was just a tree creaking listening back onto
29:07
it it is not a tree creeping but everyone else
29:10
i was with freaked out took off left me in the
29:14
woods by myself i was like get your asses back
29:18
well i was so mad and then right when brandon
29:23
who i was waiting for shows up and he opens his
29:27
door and i say i'm about to say hey brandon i
29:30
reach out my hand to shake his hand right as
29:32
i reach out my hand all we hear from the woods
29:35
and he has he has no idea you guys are in there
29:37
he probably assumes you guys are in the car all
29:40
he hears is and i hear and then everyone running
29:44
out of the woods and he's like what the fuck
29:47
i'm like one sec brandon and i start char i'm
29:50
like but i think uh quinn wouldn't mind if i
29:55
say this our friend quinn who was there with
29:58
you guys, stopped investigating for a while after
30:00
that because that really shook her up. You guys,
30:02
to reiterate, it was an alcove, but it was in
30:05
the middle of the woods, in the dark, and in
30:07
the middle of you. And playing back, it was not
30:10
a tree. No, it was not a tree. What bothered
30:13
Quinn and what she said to me after when we played
30:15
back the audio, it sounded like a human trying
30:19
to mimic a dog bark. It didn't sound like a dog.
30:24
But it sounded like a person. And that was so
30:27
creepy when she said that. I couldn't unhear
30:29
it. So a human ghost was just trying to scare
30:33
you guys, it sounded like. Yeah. And when you
30:38
put it that way, too, we had a thermal with us.
30:41
And we checked the woods to make sure there weren't
30:44
any animals or people or anyone. stalking us
30:48
and there was nothing no like um let's just insert
30:52
a clip right now of the growl to let the listeners
30:55
make up their mind on what it could be what happened
31:01
okay yeah so that was a weird sound there the
31:09
thermal there was nothing around yeah um i remember
31:14
that person or animal Now that I'm thinking about
31:18
it, that night as well was like one of the second
31:21
times that I actually felt energy in a cemetery
31:24
too. Yeah. Well, I was having weird like. mind's
31:29
eye images which i've never had what are you
31:31
talking about and i've never had since you had
31:34
a third eye for a second like a mind's eye like
31:37
you know how like zach baggins is like i can
31:39
see in my mind's eye that like why is this picture
31:42
that being like your third eye type yeah yeah
31:45
yeah but what happened to you i didn't know about
31:47
this was this before or after the growl both
31:51
because like all night yeah Like, what were you
31:56
seeing? Like, is this what you're okay sharing?
31:58
When we were in the alcove, I don't actually
32:01
remember if it was before. I think it was before
32:03
we heard the growl. I felt like I could see something
32:07
stalking us. Like, in my brain, I'm like, something's
32:10
stalking us. What do you mean, something? Like,
32:12
a person? Or, like, an animal? In my mind's eye.
32:17
This is so weird to say it. I hate it. Because
32:20
I don't like thinking about that sort of stuff.
32:23
I've never heard you say this. ever there was
32:26
a human haggard like almost witchy looking person
32:34
stalking us around like around the alcove like
32:38
not wanting us there and then at a different
32:42
point point in the night i was walking through
32:44
the cemetery and there's one tree that has like
32:47
low hanging limbs Which I think one of the last
32:51
times we were at Stryker, those limbs had been
32:53
cut down. But I had been walking through there
32:58
and I had went and ducked under the tree and
33:00
I glanced up and I thought I saw feet hanging.
33:05
And I looked away and I'm like, looked back and
33:09
there was nothing there. Like, hanging from a
33:10
tree? like they were hanging like around the
33:13
neck type of thing yeah and that was that was
33:16
unsettling to me like it was super creepy like
33:19
in my brain i saw it and i thought i saw it with
33:22
my eyes and i like i made the distinction of
33:25
oh that's not something i want to see and then
33:27
like wait a minute what that's so scary that
33:30
makes me think of like that the scene in the
33:33
conjuring movie when she's out by the water and
33:36
she sees like the feet hanging type of thing
33:38
or it's behind her yeah I don't like that. The
33:42
witch thing creeps me out, too, because we went
33:45
back later and we caught a shadow of what looked
33:49
like something, like a typical witch. It had,
33:53
like, a pointy nose that kind of walked on a
33:56
grave behind Quinn. Yeah. Who, again, was the
33:59
one that pointed out the uncanny and everything,
34:02
so it seemed to be, like, connected of all the,
34:04
you know, identifying what it is. Like, that's
34:07
uncanny. That's a witch. behind the two of you
34:10
is what looks like i don't know i mean it's like
34:12
again my mind projecting on it oh which which
34:16
you know but um it's just creepy and then that
34:19
initial night too on the spirit box we caught
34:23
something laughing at us which i don't like i
34:25
don't like that at all i don't like hearing laughter
34:27
like coming yeah it was a really weird night
34:31
Like, and then... We need to go back to Stryker.
34:34
We do. Have I ever been there, Ethan? No, you
34:37
haven't. Because after that investigation, a
34:41
psychic we know well said, oh, the alcove? Yeah,
34:45
that's where the beast hangs out. He roams throughout
34:48
the whole... Yeah, and then that's where the
34:51
growl happened. And then you guys, not to go
34:53
back and forth between the two investigations,
34:55
but after the growl happened, again, I was alone
34:59
when y 'all heard... Y 'all heard that and came
35:03
screaming. So I was like, Mr. Tough Guy for two
35:06
seconds. Mr. Macho. So macho. I need to go do
35:11
a solo investigation in this alcove. Great impersonation.
35:18
At least that time didn't sound like Trump. Yeah,
35:22
thank you. Thank you. So I go down and I have
35:25
thermal, I have night vision, I have all the
35:28
cameras. Nothing's around. And then I hear barking.
35:33
It wasn't a growl, and it was different than
35:35
what we caught, but it was a legit barking right
35:38
behind me, and I was just like, yeah, no. Yeah.
35:41
And what was interesting and funny was we were
35:45
on the other side of the cemetery doing an investigation,
35:49
and we could hear the barking, and we thought
35:52
it was you mocking whatever happened. barked
35:57
or growled at us that was until we heard you
36:00
yell and i was like oh that's not him mocking
36:06
the thermal doesn't record audio i was walking
36:11
around at the time and the night vision camera
36:14
didn't pick up the barking all picked up was
36:16
me walking so i don't know i didn't actually
36:20
know until now that anyone else heard it For
36:23
a while, I thought it was in my head. No, we
36:26
heard it. That's so creepy. This is why we need
36:31
to write things down. This is why I want a big,
36:36
giant journal. Yes, we should start journaling
36:39
and kind of what Lauren Haunt said, too. If we
36:41
have a shared experience, do it separately. And
36:44
then come on the podcast and talk about it. I
36:46
really want to do that. This is cool. We learned
36:49
a lot of things tonight about past investigations.
36:52
Going back to Stryker, though, like, that's so
36:54
weird how, like, the growl, the barking, the
36:58
beast that we learned about later. Oh, there's
37:00
also someone commented on the video saying they
37:02
went there, you know, between our two investigations,
37:04
they went there because they saw the video and
37:06
they wanted to check it out. And in the alcove,
37:08
they found bags of human feces. What? No, yeah.
37:14
Why would that be there? No pun intended. Weird
37:17
shit is discovered there all the time. We found
37:20
a cat? you did you adopted a cat i did not adopt
37:24
the cat i found it brought it home and then like
37:27
a couple days later someone's like oh my god
37:30
we've been missing our cat and they like sent
37:32
me pictures and i had to drive all the way back
37:34
over there to bring them their cat which was
37:38
fine they had been missing it for like a couple
37:40
months so oh wow it was a happy reunion okay
37:46
but like also let's let's take a step back just
37:49
to take it back to the the theme or the topic
37:52
of this episode we're talking about a place where
37:56
you guys heard a growl that sounded like a human
38:01
mimicking a dog emanating an empty space between
38:04
you i was barked at you got mind's eye image
38:08
of a haggard witch thing stalking you we later
38:14
caught a shadow of what looks like a witch walking
38:17
around you you saw legs or feet dangling from
38:22
a tree we were laughed at on our devices audible
38:27
ha ha ha ha ha we felt incredible insane vibes
38:32
yeah that's not even mentioning all the other
38:35
stuff we caught evps all this other stuff And
38:38
we're talking about a fucking cemetery? Are you
38:40
serious? You think we're talking about, like,
38:42
you go on any TV show, Waverly Hills, no one's
38:48
come back with anything as striking as Stryker
38:53
Cemetery. That's a good one, Ben. Isn't that
38:58
crazy, though? Yeah. We're talking about a cemetery?
39:01
We're talking about a cemetery. That's not haunted.
39:04
Cemeteries aren't haunted. What are you talking
39:06
about? so disrespectful of you to think cemeteries
39:13
are haunted ben is it disrespectful though to
39:19
investigate cemeteries that is a good question
39:23
and a totally valid question because i mean there
39:28
is that fine line of like uh Someone's family
39:34
member just recently passed away in this cemetery.
39:38
It is very hard because you want to be respectful,
39:46
but also you want to have experiences and have
39:52
those sorts of conversations. I think there is
39:59
a way to do it respectfully. Of course you're
40:01
not going to try to investigate a freshly buried
40:06
individual. We've been in cemeteries and have
40:11
seen when there's someone who's recently buried.
40:16
It's like you just avoid that area. Or you don't
40:21
even try to investigate there. And furthermore,
40:25
I... do my best i think it's good practice in
40:28
general to avoid putting you know like the full
40:33
names of any people or um you know claiming you're
40:38
talking to any spirits of people because there's
40:41
really no way to know that and the only time
40:44
we mention specific people is if they're highly
40:48
relevant to the history or they're like a notable
40:51
person and that's i think different than again
40:54
going back to betty if we you hit a wall and
40:56
we look over and just see uh betty something
41:00
something is buried there we're not going on
41:03
the internet saying betty something something
41:05
is you know an unrest spirit haunting soup cemetery
41:10
and she's making this dark creepy presence in
41:14
a wall that brianna hit because that's not true
41:19
it you know we have no way of knowing that and
41:22
you know in that experience we didn't pan over
41:24
to all the graves around saying could it be her
41:27
could it be her you know i think that's good
41:31
practice i think there's like i said there's
41:35
a very fine line um that all investigators try
41:40
not to cross like You want to be respectful in
41:46
every circumstance. And like, I also think of
41:51
it as the way of like, if you're going out in
41:54
nature or somewhere, you want to leave it looking
41:56
better than you did when you came. And I think
42:00
one good thing, like one good experience I want
42:02
to talk about in a cemetery before we end this
42:05
podcast is one of the, we went to a cemetery
42:09
up in the UP last year. I don't remember the
42:12
name of it. For the life of me. Because it was
42:15
a random cemetery. It wasn't like one we were
42:17
searching for. Went to specifically. It was just
42:19
during the day. I think you're talking about
42:21
Riverside Cemetery. In Sault Ste. Marie. I had
42:25
pulled out my dowsing rods. And was using them
42:27
to try to communicate. Try to see where something
42:30
would lead me. And it led me to the. Way back
42:34
part of the cemetery. And I found just this whole
42:37
row. Of graves. Of like headstones. That were
42:40
like the flat ones. covered in grass and I like
42:44
I just started uncovering them just because I
42:47
mean that's unfortunate like they got mowed they
42:50
got covered and they weren't cleaned off and
42:53
Ben came over and he was using the spirit box
42:55
and I was having full -on conversations through
42:58
the spirit box. They were saying, thank you,
43:00
or you're great, and you're my hero. I remember
43:03
this. This is so cool. This was so sweet. All
43:06
I did was just clean off these headstones. It
43:09
was a very wholesome and nice experience. Was
43:12
I actually talking to the spirits there? I don't
43:16
know. Was it just because there was a good energy
43:20
of, oh, we're cleaning it, we're making it better
43:22
than it was before? Maybe. I don't know, but
43:25
I think to say that cemeteries are not haunted
43:31
ever, you don't ever have paranormal experiences
43:34
ever in a cemetery, you can't say that. It happens,
43:40
and whether it is an actual ghost or just an
43:43
energy, there's something there. There isn't
43:47
always something there, but there's sometimes
43:50
something there. Yeah, and to your point about
43:53
it could be energy, when I'm investigating, I'm
43:55
investigating the energy. I'm not investigating
43:57
to see which random person in a cemetery I can
44:01
pluck out and create this sensationalistic urban
44:04
legend about. I'm investigating the energy, and
44:08
when we do investigate cemeteries, we may not
44:11
reiterate this in every 10 -second TikTok clip,
44:14
but in the full context of what we are pulling
44:17
clips from, and in our... you know language and
44:21
how we you know present ourselves and present
44:23
the content we're always encouraging like you
44:25
said to leave it better than how you found it
44:28
and to go with respect utmost respect for all
44:31
the people that are there you know uh presently
44:36
or spiritually because you never really know
44:39
what you're encountering and you just okay so
44:46
everyone listening angela just messaged us saying
44:49
i have an idea for an episode let's talk about
44:52
it and do you mean right now like should we just
44:56
make this a cliffhanger and just roll into totally
45:00
let's do it so yeah i guess i don't know what
45:06
time it is but let's do it hell yeah so the episode
45:11
so the episode that could have ended after two
45:14
minutes because we actually agree on something
45:16
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