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2-05-26 Hour 1 - A mixed bag Double Diparoo/An uncompelling Super Bowl/Vic's chat with Ryan Leaf · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: Three seconds, two seconds, one second, sound the horn. The
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  Speaker 3: Avalanche get their thirty seventh win of the season and
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  Speaker 3: they win the season series over San Jose two wins,
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  Speaker 3: zero losses, and one and over time. McKenzie Blackwood beats
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  Speaker 3: his forward team again, his sixth win ever versus the Sharks,
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  Speaker 3: as Colorado cleans up by a final score of four
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  Speaker 3: to two.
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  Speaker 1: There's the horn.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Numbs have two monster performances. Jokich ties Oscar
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  Speaker 4: Robinson with the total triple double in a career with
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  Speaker 4: thirty fourteen and ten. Jamal Murray has thirty nine points
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  Speaker 4: in this basketball game. Denver falls to the New York
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  Speaker 4: Knicks in double overtime. The final tonight from Madison Square Garden,
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  Speaker 4: New York won thirty four, Denver one twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: All right when fifty percent on the double. Diperu Vic
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  Speaker 2: is in San Francisco live at Radio Row. I do
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  Speaker 2: want to start with the Nuggets. I'm really sick in Taiwan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sick, but I'm sick and tired, vick of every
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  Speaker 2: time the Nuggets play, I have to talk about something
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  Speaker 2: that's not even the result of the game. It was
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  Speaker 2: a great game, but I watched Jokic go down clutching
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  Speaker 2: his legs again. Now luckily he stayed in the game.
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  Speaker 2: It was an ankle. He was fine. But then Peyton
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  Speaker 2: Watson walks immediately off the floor holding a hamstring and
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Jones got concussed. Yep, I'm tired of it. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so over it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and my hip hurts. It's hurt for about two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, dude, do I we need to have Kyrie
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  Speaker 2: come over there and burn some sage or something and
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  Speaker 2: walk around like because this is insane.
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  Speaker 1: See no baser Jones before we get into the discombobulation
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  Speaker 1: of the Nuggets lineup, because this is what it's caused.
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  Speaker 1: It's called discombobulation. There's no chemistry. It feels like there's
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  Speaker 1: a new team every night and they start games. You
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  Speaker 1: can see it in the way they finish games. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: different lineups, different trust factors, and it's affecting the way
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  Speaker 1: they play. You can see it unfold before your eyes. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get into that in a second. But
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  Speaker 1: listening to that open and hearing Cause talk about Joker's
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  Speaker 1: triple double. It's funny because I watched the game on
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  Speaker 1: ESPN last night in San Francisco, because it was on
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  Speaker 1: ESPN nationally, I didn't know Joker had a triple double.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's interesting how the broadcaster of the game will
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  Speaker 1: you'll inherit certain thoughts based on who's broadcasting the game,
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  Speaker 1: Like I had no idea. They never mentioned it. They
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  Speaker 1: never mentioned a Joker triple double. We do it all
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  Speaker 1: the time when we've covered the Nuggets, right because we're
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  Speaker 1: used to it. Nor did they mention again. And I
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  Speaker 1: hate to go here, but on the broadcast last night,
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  Speaker 1: follow along and tell me if I'm wrong, all right,
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  Speaker 1: because I watched the entire broadcast and maybe I missed it.
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  Speaker 1: I think on about ten occasions they talked about how
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  Speaker 1: the Knicks were missing Josh Hart. Oh my god, what
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  Speaker 1: a big win without Josh Hart. Hello, excuse me. Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Gordon and Cam Johnson are still out and Peyton Watson
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  Speaker 1: only played half the game. Are they just missing this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Or what am I missing? Not again, this has nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with the outcome. It has nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with the result. I'm just being a little nitpicky here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand this. Josh Hart was mentioned four or
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  Speaker 1: five times in that game. Hello, hey over here, Aaron Gordon,
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  Speaker 1: he's out, he's been out, he's gotta be out four
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  Speaker 1: to six weeks. And now Peyton Watson is headed down
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  Speaker 1: that same road.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The update, by the way, after last night, this
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  Speaker 2: from Bennett Durando. Peyton Watson will have an MRI and
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  Speaker 2: his hamstring. Don't want to speculate too much, but certainly
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  Speaker 2: seems like he could miss a decent chunk of time.
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Jones told me he got a concussion on the
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  Speaker 2: head to head and play with Kat.
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  Speaker 1: Not the first time Peyton Watson suffered a hamstring injury.
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  Speaker 1: If you remember two seasons ago, at the start of
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  Speaker 1: the season, he missed the first I believe eight weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Check my work for me, please, would Youinelly go back
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  Speaker 1: and look at it. After the championship season, he missed
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  Speaker 1: all of training camp and missed the first part of
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  Speaker 1: the season and it was a long haul back. It
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  Speaker 1: took a while for him to heal. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: the first hamstring injury. For Peyton Watson, this is his
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  Speaker 1: second that's been three years. But to watch him clutch
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  Speaker 1: it the way he did, and the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: have to they're undergoing an MRI. This is not just
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  Speaker 1: a mild cramp. No, that looks serious.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the problem, Like your team very obviously has
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  Speaker 2: two guys right now that and I think this actually
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  Speaker 2: exacerbates the problem. Joker and Christian Brown have never really
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  Speaker 2: been heard before, They've never really missed time, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that miss time is really affecting them. Like Christian
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  Speaker 2: Brown is looks like he's scared to do anything offensively.
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  Speaker 2: Credit to him that he hit the two clutch free
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  Speaker 2: throws to send it into double overtime. Vic I actually,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding. When Jamal missed the shot, I
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  Speaker 2: changed the channel so fast that I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: They called the fuel Yeah, and then I walked out
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  Speaker 2: of the room and I came back and I go,
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  Speaker 2: why are we in the second overtime? What's going on
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 1: Can I be honest for a second, I thought the
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  Speaker 1: officiating in the final minute was absolute. Yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to give it a word. The mystery trip foul
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  Speaker 1: on Christian Brown Oh my god, where the Nuggets had
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  Speaker 1: to expend a timeout so they lose a time out
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  Speaker 1: and an opportunity to challenge was ridiculous. Yeah, and then, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at it both ways. That foul call
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game that allowed Christian Brown
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  Speaker 1: to shoot free throws was ridiculous. If shoes on the
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  Speaker 1: other foot, I'd be livid.
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  Speaker 2: Literally said the same thing I said. Shoe on the
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  Speaker 2: other foot, I would be incensed.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous call. Two ridiculous calls that affect the outcome of
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  Speaker 1: a game. But and I can't help but think that
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  Speaker 1: one was a makeup.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it could be, But all I'm saying is credit
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  Speaker 2: to Christian Brown for knocking down the two free throws,
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  Speaker 2: but very clearly Vic Joker was ten of twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: from the floor. He's not right yet. He looks kind
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  Speaker 2: of out of shape, which is to be expected when
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  Speaker 2: he can't use a leg for a month. Christian Brown
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  Speaker 2: looks a little bit out of shape. They look dead
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  Speaker 2: tired at the end of that game. And I know
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  Speaker 2: that they played a lot of minutes, but I think
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  Speaker 2: that's more of a byproduct of either guys not playing
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  Speaker 2: a lot recently or guys playing too much recently. It's
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  Speaker 2: been like a combination of kind of both there. But
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  Speaker 2: how about this, Joker and Jamal Murray combine for four
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  Speaker 2: of twenty seven from three point range, and still at
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  Speaker 2: the end of regulation, backboard rim, backboard rim, it looked
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  Speaker 2: like Joker was going to hit the game winner and
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  Speaker 2: you still somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Pull on a reel unreal. That would have been an
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  Speaker 1: Escape from New York type of win. Maaphaan Nuggets won because,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, they didn't deserve to win
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  Speaker 1: that game. No, they were just in it at the
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  Speaker 1: very end. A lot of circumstances another you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably a double digit deficit at halftime. If Jamal doesn't
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  Speaker 1: go nuclear to start the game, it's taken a while
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  Speaker 1: to get the engine started. He just sort of said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll do this, guys, nobody wants to come along. I'll
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  Speaker 1: do this. I'll handle this. So he dominated the first
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  Speaker 1: quarter and then he went cold. Yep, he went cold
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  Speaker 1: for a while, and they had their hits and misses.
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  Speaker 1: Too many different lines up, too many people in and out.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even blame the players because Jamal said it
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  Speaker 1: afterwards I didn't even know Peyton Watson was out. I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was coming back. They don't know who they're
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  Speaker 1: playing with. I know every other minute here who's on
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  Speaker 1: the court. I mean, Bruce Brown played power forward for
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  Speaker 1: the entire second half.
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  Speaker 2: Neck crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You got a six foot four power forward because they
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  Speaker 1: ran out of players.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to blame them. Now on the other side,
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  Speaker 2: the Avs get the win yesterday. Was that that was
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  Speaker 2: a much more dominant game than this score was going
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  Speaker 2: to tell you it was. I mean, the Abs could
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  Speaker 2: have been up five to nothing after the first period.
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  Speaker 2: They just couldn't find the back of the net. But
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  Speaker 2: they do find a way to get the four to
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  Speaker 2: two win over the Sharks. They get a win before
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  Speaker 2: this break. Now they keep their five point lead against
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota and their six point lead against Dallas alive, and
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  Speaker 2: now they get a nice little reset here. I'll say this,
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  Speaker 2: there is I think a huge benefit to this right
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  Speaker 2: coming when it did. It was something I was just
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  Speaker 2: kind of thinking about because we talked to Benar yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and we asked him about the power plays we have
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  Speaker 2: every week so far this season, and the power play
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  Speaker 2: was once again over three last night. It's okay at times.
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  Speaker 2: But he said something that I think is a really
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  Speaker 2: smart way to go about this, of what this break
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  Speaker 2: can provide for that simple aspect of the team.
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  Speaker 5: You can't carry the baggage of the fifty some games
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  Speaker 5: we've played now into the next game. But I don't
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  Speaker 5: see anyway but to just get them on the same page,
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  Speaker 5: make sure they know what they're supposed to do, and
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  Speaker 5: then try to execute through it. But if you're taking
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  Speaker 5: fifty games with baggage and that sort of frustration of
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  Speaker 5: mentality into every game, then you're not going to have success. Right.
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  Speaker 5: I look at the Detroit game and I go, okay,
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  Speaker 5: repeat it, repeat it tomorrow night, and you guys will score. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you have six seven scoring tens and two power plays.
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  Speaker 5: It's a good you're looking for those quality chaps. Someone
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  Speaker 5: needs to put one in the back of the vet
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  Speaker 5: and get the snowball rolling downhill a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's so true. You can't think about the
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  Speaker 2: fifty previous games. You just got to kind of reset.
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  Speaker 2: And Vicky, you playing a lot of golf. I would
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  Speaker 2: compare the same thing to baseball. You have like a
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  Speaker 2: rough first five holes, or in baseball you're oh, for
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  Speaker 2: your last seventeen. You can't think about the seventeen previous
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  Speaker 2: at bats. You gotta move forward.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, they got into the clubhouse after
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  Speaker 1: the first nine and they birdied number nine, So they're
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  Speaker 1: feeling positive night. Go get a hot dog, Go get
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  Speaker 1: a beer, rest a little bit, go to the bathroom,
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  Speaker 1: and get ready for the back nine.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I think that this three week break can
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  Speaker 2: provide that along with how about this VIC. This is
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  Speaker 2: just something I was thinking about. Maybe for you guys
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  Speaker 2: like mccarr McKinnon, when they're playing for Team Canada and
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  Speaker 2: these Olympics, they go on to power play and actually
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  Speaker 2: have success, maybe that breeds confidence when they come back.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows. I just told upon Hope that they can
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  Speaker 1: stay healthy. Half the damn roster is going to play
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  Speaker 1: in the Olympics for Team Avalanche. And I know as
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  Speaker 1: a coach coach Betnar is proud of his guys. He's
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  Speaker 1: happy for his guys. Who'll be cheering for his guys,
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  Speaker 1: But deep down he is he's scared. He don't want
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  Speaker 1: to because these dudes are gonna give it up for
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  Speaker 1: their countries and they should. They should. You just want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure nobody gets hurt. Nobody needs to pull
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  Speaker 1: a Kachuk the way he got hurt at the UH
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  Speaker 1: the Four Nations. So come back in one piece and
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  Speaker 1: make a stretch run here. I did ask him, yes,
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  Speaker 1: first case scenario there.
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  Speaker 2: I did ask him yesterday, And Nellie will try and
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  Speaker 2: find it. But if he is more excited or nervous
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  Speaker 2: watching his guys play in the Olympics, he said, he's
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  Speaker 2: more excited. But I you can tell it's like, we
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  Speaker 2: just need to stay healthy here and we can make
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  Speaker 2: a real run at this. Sure, because the good news
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  Speaker 2: is that, but it looks like both Landeskog and Natures
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  Speaker 2: is going to be at they've been playing in the Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a chance Logan O'Connor can be back after
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  Speaker 2: this break too, which would make you almost fully healthy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and do not dismiss that, Do not discount that.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time, and yet I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we give it enough health. I was watching
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  Speaker 1: as I'm watching that Nuggets game last night and the
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  Speaker 1: Avs game, I'm thinking to myself, Okay, these aren't the
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  Speaker 1: teams that we know right now. These aren't them. They're
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  Speaker 1: missing key pieces. These aren't who started the season. These
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  Speaker 1: aren't those teams. When they become those teams, we'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to fairly evaluate and assess them. The Nuggets team
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  Speaker 1: was the Nuggets team for all of ten games, and
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  Speaker 1: that's it. The starting five opened the season eight and two,
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  Speaker 1: and that's it. Ten games is all we've seen so far.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only piece of evidence we have that this
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  Speaker 1: team is a championship contender, fully healthy ten games before
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  Speaker 1: injuries started happening. And for the ABS it happened a
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  Speaker 1: little later, much later. But once guys went down, you
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  Speaker 1: saw what happened. We've seen what happened.
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  Speaker 2: We're probably gonna have to wait until April VIC to
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  Speaker 2: find the Nuggets potentially fully healthy, potentially fully healthy again
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  Speaker 2: April like.
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  Speaker 1: And that's scare OFFFS, that's scary. Hey, I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know we're oscillating back and forth between the ABS
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  Speaker 1: and Nuggets right here, but they're pretty much in the
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  Speaker 1: same predicament. And the predicament is can you get these
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  Speaker 1: guys back on the ice and back on the floor
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  Speaker 1: in time to gel for the playoffs? That is the
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  Speaker 1: question now, yeah, and for the ABS, there's a secondary question,
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  Speaker 1: can you fix the power play before the playoffs. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna be doing for three weeks,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe they're doing some you know, power retreat where
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  Speaker 1: they can work on it. I'm looking at the Nuggets schedule, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and listen. There is no shame the last three losses
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  Speaker 1: the Nuggets have suffered if you look at it on
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  Speaker 1: the surface. Okay, see best record in base in basketball,
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  Speaker 1: no shame in that. You'd want to win, but no
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  Speaker 1: shame in losing that. Yep, on the road at Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: best record in the Eastern Common had a chance to win,
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  Speaker 1: but no shame. You know, you don't cower in the
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  Speaker 1: corner and cry after losing to Detroit. It's best record
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  Speaker 1: in the East. The New York next second game of
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  Speaker 1: a back to back, another quality team you lost in
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  Speaker 1: double overtime with injuries galore, No shame. Those are three losses.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest with you. As much as I hated
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  Speaker 1: to see him, it sucks. I'm not sitting here crying
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  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, those are acceptable losses, if there is
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  Speaker 1: such a thing. However, I'm looking at the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the schedule. Now at Chicago, You've already lost to them
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  Speaker 1: once this season, then Cleveland comes to town. You've already
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  Speaker 1: lost to them once this season. There's a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: teams here that you have to beat. Now. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to get to where you hope to get, you
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  Speaker 1: have to this stretch run for the Nuggets. It is
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  Speaker 1: not easy. I'm looking at late February. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: at the Clippers at Portland, which is a tough win,
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  Speaker 1: at Golden State, Boston, OKC, Minnesota. Look at that stretch,
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  Speaker 1: then the Lakers, then the Knicks again, then Oka see
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  Speaker 1: then Houston, then San Antonio, then the Lakers again. Look
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  Speaker 1: at that stretch. Yep, you kidding me. This does not
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  Speaker 1: get easy here, folks. Not only are you not healthy,
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  Speaker 1: your schedule's not doing you any favors. The Nuggets are
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  Speaker 1: currently in third place. They're now two games behind San Antonio.
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  Speaker 1: They're now on me half game ahead is Houston a
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  Speaker 1: full game ahead of Minnesota. They're barely hanging onto that
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  Speaker 1: dropping hurry.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's like at the airport.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Now, oh, who told you that? I'm surprised he hasn't
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: tried to call in to get a day of labor,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a day of work.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: You and me both.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: If he does call Nelly, you know what to do, right.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: You cut that phone Nick, Yeah, you cut that phone
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: line immediately. So first of all, I know you had
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: a chance. You had a really good conversation with Ryan Leaf.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: We're going to run that in about twenty minutes.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was heavy, and we're not going to run
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the whole thing because it's about twelve minutes long. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: will post that up on social media if you want
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to watch the whole thing, because he got really heavy
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: about his personal issues. And I don't know if you
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: guys read the news, but yesterday Ryan Leaf, before that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: interview took place, like literally minutes before, was involved in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a kerfuffle with the former Chargers team doctor, that doctor
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Chow who's now the Internet doctor. Yeah, guy who sort
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: of diagnoses every injury.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about that. Did you see it?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it take place, but as soon as
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: he sat at our table, he goes, yeah, just got
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: into it with my old doctor. I'm like, huh, yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I should have done that, and I'm like, I don't
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. And then I read about
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it afterwards and yeah, apparently there were some words exchanged.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: So he was the doctor when he was in San Diego.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Is that he was?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, he was the doctor when Ryan played for
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the Chargers. And I don't know Ryan leave. You'll hear
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it from the interview. He's still chasing some demons.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll get to that in twenty minutes.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: We're also going to talk to Ryan Harris, who's down
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: there with you at Radio Row at eight fifteen this morning,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: as he's with Westwood One. But I've seen two names
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: because Vic from the guys you've talked to, I mean,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Terrell Davis said it, what's the issue with the Broncos offense?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: They need to get better talent wise, Like he wants
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: to see better running backs, and I think that's been
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: mostly the common theme from people who have been asked
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: about what's what do the Broncos need this offseason? It's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: more talent on offense, and so it's where do you
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: find it. AJ Brown looks like he's going to be
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: out in Philadelphia. That's a name that I saw brought up.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Tyler Plumbus is doing this engagement farming thing on Twitter.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It's like he's trying to make some some Twitter bucks.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: He's been doing this a lot. Twitter has anything, Yes
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: he has. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: noticed it. I got to call him out. He went
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: from being invisible to all of a sudden, Hey, mister
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: social media poster.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: It's like if I started doing it, victim, if you
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: saw me posting twelve times a day, you'd be like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: what's going on with You know he's trying to get
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: those Elon bucks.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: At least I have an excuse. I've done it from
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: day one.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: You have, yes, you can't stay off it. But he
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: said AJ Brown's going to be available. What do you
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: guys think? Hard pass Like, I I know that you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: need talent and there is no question, VIC, that AJ
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Brown is supremely talented. He's big, he's fast, He's got
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: all the tools that you want. I want that guy
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: nowhere near my locker room, so he.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Would be the equivalent. Yesterday was brought up, how about
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Draymond Green with the Nuggets, hard pass for for me? Right,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: same type of player, good player, talented player. But I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: think he would do he would not do good for
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: your locker room.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: That one's a little bit different because that's it's a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: different personality sort of fit Draymond Green. Say what you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: want about him, Vic, He's all about the team in winning.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: He will do whatever it takes to win. He doesn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: care about his own numbers.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He cost you games too.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: From an attitude perspective, yes, but it's not. It's not
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a selfish nature from him, you know what I mean?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Like he he is ultimately about whatever I got to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: do to get the dub. I'm gonna get the dub.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It's not a diva. Yes.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown is about I get mine. I still remember
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: they won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: He sends an Instagram post from some King Kun or something,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and he goes, man, it was great.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: To win.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: But now it's my turn, and it's like, what the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: hell are you talking about? It's your turn? Yeah, if
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you go back, because I looked at it again. The
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Broncos played the Eagles in Week five of this season.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia was four to zero heading into that game, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the story leading up to it was AJ Brown's unhappy
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and what did they do in that game? They targeted
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: him eight times through the air, and they ran it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: with Saquon six times as a hey here, now shut
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: up the game, and they lost because of it. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: don't want somebody like that anywhere near this locker room
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that just won fourteen ball games.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see it, I can feel it. He's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: not that kind of player. He's you know what, He's
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: almost like James Harden.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I said the same thing.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear you say that. That's funny that we're
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: thinking the same way. He's a great player who makes
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: individual plays, but he's not a winning player. Big difference there.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Supreme talent. He makes your team look way better once
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: once it's on paper, but the actual act of putting
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: him in I think hurts you more than it helps.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And here's another name that a lot of Broncos fans
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: have thrown out there right, No, no, George Pickens, no
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you that was coming, like you have to factor in
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the guy. Because again, George Pickens, big, tall.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Fast, supremely talented.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Unbelievably talented. I've witnessed that man straight up quit in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: multiple games on multiple teams.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So are all the talented guys crazy? What's happening here?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: No, Pooka is not crazy. Justin Jefferson. I mean, he's
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: got a little bit of Deva mentality, but he's I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: said this too. Those guys aren't good enough for me
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to overlook that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Vick.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: If Terrell Owens was in his prime right now and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: he wanted to come to Denver, he's so good that
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, all right, I'll try it. I'll try it,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: like you're that good. Those guys aren't that good. They're good,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: not that good, but I can't you have. Somebody texted
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: this in and I think they're right, Texter said, mark
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: my words, George Pickens will go full Albert Hainsworth when
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: he gets paid.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: He might.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: He actually might where I don't care. I got my money,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm done now. I just you need to find talent
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that is mixed with the right kind of guy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Can I offer this? I mean, here we are. It
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is seven thirty on this Thursday morning. The Super Bowl
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is now three days away. I am on Super Bowl
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: roll and this is not a referendum on this show.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: It's just the game itself. How often have we sat
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: down and talked about this game, this actual matchup, this game.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't brought it up yet today. I think we've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: brought it up maybe twice in the last three days
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: since I've been here. It's the craziest thing. I sat
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: down with Woody Page yesterday. He's here doing Gorilla Sports,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and we brought it up during our conversation. Nobody cares
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: about this game. Yeah, it's crazy, Like do you care
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: about this game? I don't care about this game. It's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl Week, surrounded by media here for this game,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and no one is talking about the game.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's I think there's a lot of factors to it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: For us, It's like, are we jaded because we feel
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like the Broncos could have should have been in there?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: That's one thing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Sure, I understand the Denver perspective. I'm talking of about
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: just a buzz.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So is does this lend credence to the idea that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: maybe you do need superstars to play in this to
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: gain some sort of oomph that Holmes, do you need
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady? Do you need guys like that to participate
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: in these games? That?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And there's a drain because it's this. It's the Patriots again.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Stucks have been in multiple times since.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I know, but I just think people are tired of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that song and dance. Be totally honest with you, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's not just sour grapes. It's the truth, right, It's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the truth, man. There's just nothing. I don't care. Well,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it, You're gonna watch it. We're all
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: gonna watch it because it's a super Bowl. Of course
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna watch it. But I don't care at all.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Well, is it?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Does anybody care?
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Because?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you can? I mean, seriously, I want
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Seattle to win for obvious reasons. But there's no like
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: sit on the edge of my seat. There's there's nothing
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to really nothing at steak here. All right.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. If the bron if Josh
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Allen makes the pass to Dawson Knox and they beat
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the Broncos at the end of regulation in the divisional
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: round and they're in this spot. Does this game have
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: way more Jews if it's not. If it's Buffalo and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. And Josh Allen is going for his
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: first ring and that'll be the big storyline going in.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And I've got a couple of Texters saying that I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: said the same thing last year. Well, last year's game
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: involved the Chiefs, So I was jaded obviously last year, clearly,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: So maybe I'm just admitting my extreme bias in Jade here. Whatever.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I think this has a lot to do with you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: think of Super Bowl in super Bowl for better for worse.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: This is what we've turned our sports into. It's become
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: about legacy and talks like that. And I don't think
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: anybody cares if Sam Donald wins. If this was Josh
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Allen versus Matthew Stafford. I think this game is insanely
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: talked about.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. It's a different type of game.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Because with Josh Allen, it's like, can he get his
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: first Super Bowl? With Matthew Stafford, it's like if he
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: gets a second, then where is the all time in
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: quarterback rank? He's like, that's the discussions you'd have, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: nobody cares if Sam Donald wins and Drake May and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. You're just kind of like meh.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm asking you, the listener, the viewer. Some of
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you are saying, don't tell me what to do, says
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Johnny Jazz. You're not my boss. I'm not telling you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what to do. I'm asking you. Do you care? Do
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you care about the game. I got no juice going
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: into this game at all. Zero. I'm here and I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: got no juice. That's not I'm having dinner all alone
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: because Jesse left me all by myself. Oh dare you?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Jesse at Jasper's restaurant joining the hotel and there's this
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Seattle super fan that's there, you know, one of these
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: super fans that shows up and he's got all his
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: garb and I'm like, hey, what's up with that? And
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, yeah, he introduced himself and he goes
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to every Seattle game. His friend came all the way
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: up from Australia. He's a Seattle super fan and they're
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: into it. Man, they're into it. And I said it,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: huh in it? Yeah, of course I know. But they're
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: like really into it, and they're nervous. They said, yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: their safety at practice hurt his ankle yesterday. They're so nervous.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Says hey, guys, don't be nervous. You're gonna win this
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: game pretty handily. Calmed down, New England's not that good.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Calm down, You're gonna win. Donald's gonna be crowned, MVP.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: You see it, you got it, don't worry about it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But they're they're so into it, and I wished at
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the time. I said, ye, I wish I had just
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a modicum of their energy and buzz for this game.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I just can't. Manifact isn't that also it?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: You just said Seattle's gonna win, It's gonna be a blowout. Now,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: if that's the assumption, then yeah, that changes the way
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna view a game too. I think a
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: lot of people feel like Seattle's gonna dominate this game.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I'm one of them.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: As somebody says, well, we're still gonna watch it. Of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: course you're gonna watch it. What sports fan? What American
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't watch the Super Bowl? Again? One of my favorite
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: social I love the sociological nature of walking outside during
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl to see who's not watching the Super Bowl? Yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you know, isn't that always intriguing to see the people
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that aren't watching the Super Bowl? Like what are you doing?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I will never forget, dude. I know this isn't the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: super Bowl, but it was. It was such a crazy
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: thing to me. The first year that I moved here
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: was the first time that Nebraska came back and played
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: SeeU H. So all my family, it was not my family,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like wife's family, her brother, all that stuff was in town.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So I went down to have a few beers with
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: them before the game. And we're walking through this neighborhood.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I can see folsome I can see it, and this
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: woman's walking her dog. Yeah, and she stops us. She goes, hey,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: why is everybody wearing red today? And I was just
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: blown away. I'm like, ma'am, you live. You could throw
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: a rock and hit the stadium. What do you mean
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: You've already went two and two together.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I've already had this rant. I gave it the rant
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: mid season and that was three d on. Maybe it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: different now. Yeah, but during during a Broncos game, you
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: could walk through Denver during a Broncos game in the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: eighties and the streets would be literally empty. I walked
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: through North Denver during a Broncos Sunday now and there
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: are people walking their dogs, tossing around the frisbee, having
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a good old time, and I just shake my head.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It's just so different. It's just transplants that have zero interest,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: zero vested interest in the hometown team. Zero. Yeah, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that's what it's become.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: But again, I think you're right that this game obviously
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: has less juice. I think it's a number of factors.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: One of them is quarterback matchup isn't something that interests people,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and that's how they sell football now.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Second, well, let me think about it. Donald and May.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Can there be two more quiet quarterbacks in the history
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of the game?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Donald and Nicks?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those two as well. I mean, listen, I am
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: not that blind here that if it were the Broncos,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it'd be the same thing for most of the country,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: same way. There's no juice. But Drake May and Sam Donald,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you put them up, you barely get four words out
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, text are so right that if this
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: was Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford, like, this game has
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a ton of a ton of buzz a ton. But
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it's just it's not the appeal.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's not. But you're also, says this Texter, Travis, you're
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: also walking around. You're mad at people doing the same.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not walking around, I'm observing people walking around on
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a Broncos Sunday, Travis, and you sound like you're one
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of them. Get in your house and watch a damn game.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Your dog can walk after the game. You got that, Travis.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: You wait till the game's open. Next time.
• 31:16
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• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Uh a little chat with Ryan Leaf that VIC had yesterday.
• 31:59
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• 32:01
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• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, VIC, you had a chance to talk to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Ryan Leaf yesterday.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: By the way, that was the running gag when I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: was on with the PhD in the afternoon and everything
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: was so, yeah, they should make a commercial right now
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: with PS two pushing what is it bound Bounty? I
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: called it representing Bounty here today, So yeah, I did. Seriously,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: if they were smart, they would release a commercial just saying.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, I'm here representing tagline Bounty.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So I don't know what Ryan Leaf is
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: representing outside of himself. Yeah. Ryan Leaf, of course, the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback played for the Chargers, played for the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Washington State college team. What's that Koog's Yeah, And he
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: came out the same year as Peyton Manning and there
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: was a lot of debate who would be the number
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: one pick, and we got into that in his relationship
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning. A little later, we'll play that portion
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of the interview. It was really heavy man when he
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: went to prison. I mean, this is a guy, Ryan Leaf.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: If you don't know his history, he's gone through it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Deamons.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's had a very rough life last few years,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and he was in jail for a while. Hell, he
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: tried to take his life. And Peyton Manning, of all people,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the guy who was with him, who walked with him
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: during those days in college, he reached out to him
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and helped shepherd him through those dark years in jail.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: We'll get into that later. I also asked him about
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: bo Nicks because he covers a lot of college football
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and as an analyst covers a lot of football games
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: up in the Great Northwest, and he loves bow and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: had a lot of good things to say about Bonix.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: He got very particular as to why, So listen to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: this conversation. Ryan Leef still knows his quarterback play Denver
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Broncos around the way to the Super Bowl, they hosted
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: an AFC Championship game, and in the final moments of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the divisional playoff, bow Knicks just mysteriously breaks his ankle.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You ever heard of anything like that before?
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: I freakish thing. I texted Bow after the game. Well,
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: I waited about five or six days, so everything can
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: kind of cal him down. He's an exceptional player, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you there's a there's a definitely different outcome
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: if he's the starting quarterback. You know, nothing against study,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: but like that he is. He is kept rising and
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: rising and getting better and getting better and getting better.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you a little story about Bone next, please
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: do so you know, covered him in the Pac twelve
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: and then uh played in this golf tournament at Bandoned
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Dunes with him and got to know him a little bit.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: And then one of my high school teammates has a
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: son that's that's on on the spectrum a little bit
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: but has the same birthdate as Bonis and loves bo Nix.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: And all I did is reach out to Bone. I say, both,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: could you sign a jersey for him? Not only does
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: both sign it for him, but he sends it FedEx,
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: and you know on the mail it says from bow
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Knicks and it has in the kid is over the moon.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: It changes his whole his whole living room or bedrooms
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: like that. And then sure enough, when Bo gets hurt,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: the kid standing next to this frame, Jersey says, we're
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: praying for you.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: We love you, Bo.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: And so I just sent him that video about six
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: days after and and Bo was just like thanks, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: like just things that that keep me moving forward. He's
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: gonna get healthy, he's going to play in this offense
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: and have another year under his belt, and they're gonna
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: have a chance to get back to this this this situation.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: There's no there's no reason why they shouldn't.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: What makes him so great that you describe him? What
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: is it about his game?
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: Well, he he he is a third down monster. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: think that's the best way to describe bow Knicks. He
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: is a real problem for any defensive coordinator on third day,
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: the most important play, for the most important play for
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: a quarterback. He can do it with his arm and
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: more portly. And I think this is incredibly important is
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: that he can use his legs. And I don't mean
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: in a way that he's a running quarterback like he
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: like how Patrick Mahomes was a problem on third down
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: for about the last seven years. Yeah, that's what bo
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Nix presents, finding a way, finding a way to get
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: the first down and everything. Whether he does that with
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: his legs and he does a tremendous job and when
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: he steps up in the pocket keeping his eyes down
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: the field. And Davis Webb, I think has had a
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: real real hand in this, making him understand when you
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: get those opportunities and they play a lot of two
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: man and third down, you have those defenders with their
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: backs to you. You either run it or you have
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: a chance to get the ball down the field. And
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: he made a lot of hay this year I did.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I think he's the I think he's the third down
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: monster of this league. That's great to hear.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: All Right, you're on a par five at Olympic Club,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you're tied with the guy you're betting against. Do you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: go fourt and two or do you just play it conservatively.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: I'm not hitting that. I'm not hitting that two hundred
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: and thirty to two hundred and forty yard club very
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: well right now. And so you know, and less and less,
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: I feel really confident with it. I am really dialed in.
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: From about one hundred and fifteen to one hundred and.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Thirty, twenty year old Ryan Leef put a golf for hell.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it would have ended up in the ocean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: and I would have taken seven and lost the match.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: The man right, Thank you very much. I appreciate your time,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Thanks. Yeah, we sort of segued into
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: golf there, as we often do, because we started the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: conversation he walked up. We were working on our golf
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: swings here in the media room. But you could tell
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: what he likes about bon Nicks. And that's such a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: great point that he made there about third down, which
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is a quarterbacks down. John Elway said this years ago
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: when he evaluated, like Tim Tebow used to come on
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: our radio show years ago and he said, you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Tim's fine, He's got to work on third downs. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I kept saying, why does he keep bringing up third down?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And how important third down is? That is a quarterback's down,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: especially the way that Broncos finding themselves third and long
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: all the time, and bone Nicks has a way of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: executing those third and longs.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: He just has a knack for He's a gotta have
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: it quarterback, like when you gotta have it, he does
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: it the beef that I've had with bow Knicks, because God,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: if you have that trade, it can take you a
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: lot of places. And we saw it this year took
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you to an AFC title game, and if he plays,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you're probably in the Super Bowl.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: The issue, though, is what happens in between all of that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: What about when you don't necessarily need it but it
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: would be nice to have it. What about those situations
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: it's second and eight, Can you get me a throw
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: that picks up fifteen yards? There was just a lack
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: of that. Now, I don't want to put that all
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: on bow. It's all of the offense. You've mentioned it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Vic Doing that without a good running game is really
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: difficult for a quarterback. But he is so elite level
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: at the I gotta have this play and he makes it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: No one had more third down conversions, longer conversions than
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: bo Nicks. Nobody have more downfield throws air yards than
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: bo Nicks. And listening to him compared to Patrick Mahomes
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in that respect, maybe we're too close to the situation
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: because we see it every week and we expect it. Yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: but when you take a step back and you see
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: it from like least perspective, that's a special trait man
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Moving forward, Yes, yeah, he can clean some things up,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of course he can. Of course, it gets a little clunky,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: but by god, when the game calls for a big play,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: he can make a big play.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, And it's that's half the battle for a quarterback.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd rather have this than the opposite, which
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: is he's good in a lot of different areas, but
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: he stinks in moments like that. Yeah, you'd rather have
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the opposite. Now, if he can put it all together,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: then you're talking about one of the better quarterbacks in
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the NFL. And that would be really really fun.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: By the way, and if he doesn't, if he doesn't
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: bust up his ankle on a crazy play right now,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the entire radio station would be at Radio Row and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you'd be talking about bon Nicks in the Super Bowl. Yep.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: By the way, I heard Joe Flacco yesterday and because
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: he was down here for the Pro Bowl, because he's
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: one of the Pro Bowl quarterbacks in the AFC, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: he talked about how much you know, Joe Flak has
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: been around a long time.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I saw him walking around here and it hit me.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, he used to play
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: for the Broncos. Yeah, I just like conveniently forgot that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: But he was asked about the hits on quarterbacks and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: what's fair and what's unfair. And because he's played in
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: essentially two different eras of the NFL. The pre roughing
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: calls every time you touch somebody in the post roughing calls.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Here's what he said.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: I don't think it should be ropping the passer when
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: they land on us. I don't think being slapped in
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: the head should be ropping the passer. It honestly annoys
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: me because it affects games in a negative way at
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: random times. Yeah, and they can call it or not
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: call it. It needs to get out of the game.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: They need to go back to it. I know CTE
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: is a thing these days and all that, but it's football.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: We signed up to play it. And I do think
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: that the guys in my generation probably benefit a little
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: bit from having that mindset, because the guys that are
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: coming into the league nowadays they look at me like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: you're I'm crazy, Like what do you mean you want
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: receivers to get laid out over the middle and you
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: want guys to be able to land on you. I'm like, yeah, guys,
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: that's football. Like, yeah, there's certain things that shouldn't be penalties,
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: and I don't think they see the side of it
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: where these fifteen yard penalties and big situations that really
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: shouldn't be penalties in the game of football. They change
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: these games, and as a fan like I just don't
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: like it. I want it to be up to us
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: and getting slapped in the face should not change the game.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: It really shouldn't.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: So that's flacko with Kevin Clark.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I want to marry him right now for those comments.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I want to wed him. Seriously, I want to wed him.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: That would be an odd wedding. He's so tall. That
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is so right up my alley. That is so true.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: He's saying what every every fan is thinking. And he's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a player who's actively playing right now, an older one.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? Why are we taking you know
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the translation there? We are taking the fear out of football. Yes,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and football is all about fear. The fear of going
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: over the middle, the fear of holding onto the ball
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: too long, the fear of the oncoming blitzer, the fear
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of there's fear is interwoven into the game and the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: rules are now trying to take fear out of it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: If you take fear out of it, we got the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: The way that he discussed that, I think is so true,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: because first of all, it's too punitive, like fifteen yards.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I keep explaining this to people. Do you know how
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: hard it is to get fifteen yards in the NFL?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Fifteen yards is very difficult, Okay.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And then it's just randomly awarded, yes.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Off of a nothing type of play. But I heard
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady talk about this a couple months ago that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: if you threw we used to call him hospital balls,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: which is you're running your receiver into a freight train.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It's not the defender's fault that he got that he
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: hit the guy really hard. It's the quarterback's fault for
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: putting him in a position to get a hit like
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and it takes away the responsibility of the quarterback to
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: be smart with his teammates, not just with the football.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand some of the he mentioned, like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the head slap to the quarterback, big deal. I know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: let me slap you in the head real quick, Jesse,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: tell me if it hurts, just just a quick slap.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: That would have been penalized fifteen yardstball game.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: The bodyweight thing is the most insane call I've ever seen. Like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: tackle him, but don't tackle him when you get to
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: the ground, be sure to convert your body to make
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: sure that he's going to be okay. You might hurt
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: yourself in doing it. It's the most insane thing ever see.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: But they've gone too far now and Joe can say
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: what he wants, but there's no way they reverse that trend.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Well they can't.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: They can't reverse it because the expectations coming in. And
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he mentioned that these young players coming into the game, well,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: don't you want save in the game. Well, yeah, everybody
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: wants safety, but you sign up to play the game,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and if you take violence and fear out of the game,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it's not the same game.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the same game again. Super Bowl sixty's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be right here. Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: on Sunday with Kevin Harlan, Kurt Warner on Westwood One.
• 44:19
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• 44:21
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