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U.S. and Iran trade strikes, SCOTUS allows East Wing construction to resume · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt. We are standing by, of course, as
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Speaker 1: darkness begins to fall in Tehran to see what the
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Speaker 1: president meant when he talked to Trey Yinks today on
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Speaker 1: Fox News. He talked on my phone, Trey Yinks reported.
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Speaker 1: Here is the clip from Trey earlier today, cut number seven.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence, good morning.
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Speaker 3: I just spoke with President Trump, who told Fox News
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Speaker 3: the United States will respond to the Iranian attack on U.S.
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Speaker 3: forces overnight in Jordan. The president said, we're going to
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Speaker 3: hit them hard. There will be a response. He indicated
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Speaker 3: that all of the missiles, except one, were intercepted by U.S.
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Speaker 2: Air defense systems.
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Speaker 3: One missile was identified as not going to hit anything significant,
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Speaker 3: and they allowed it to pass through the airspace. This
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Speaker 3: comes as the president said the Iranians want to meet
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Speaker 3: so badly, but he doesn't know if you can count
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Speaker 3: on them to make a deal, but added that the
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Speaker 3: current U.S. sanctions against the Iranian regime are kicking in strongly.
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Speaker 3: But again, the headline here, President Trump telling Fox News
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Speaker 3: that the United States will respond to this attack on U.S.
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Speaker 4: Forces in Jordan overnight.
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Speaker 1: That is likely to occur while I'm on the air
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Speaker 1: here on the Salem News Channel, the Salem Radio Network,
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Speaker 1: and all of our radio affiliates. If anything does make
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Speaker 1: it across the wire, I'll let you know when it happens,
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Speaker 1: but it'll probably be later tonight, as has been the
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Speaker 1: case throughout the war. usually after midnight, 1 a.m. in
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Speaker 1: Tehran is when we hit. Not that they have any
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Speaker 1: radar or eyes in the sky. Our guys just like
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Speaker 1: to fly at night, I think. Let me then go
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Speaker 1: to President Trump last night on Fox with Trey Gowdy.
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Speaker 1: Trey's a great, great interviewer. Cut number two on whether
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Speaker 1: or not the president would strike Iran again.
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Speaker 5: If you had to do it all over again, would
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Speaker 5: you come down the escalator? Because you had a great
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Speaker 5: life before you did.
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Speaker 6: I had a wonderful life. But, you know, I had
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Speaker 6: a little expression that you may have heard before. Make
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Speaker 6: America great again. So that's called a large-scale version of
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Speaker 6: what you just saw outside with the construction of what
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Speaker 6: will be an incredible addition to Washington, including the helipad
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Speaker 6: and the heliport and everything else that we're doing for
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Speaker 6: the White House where they've wanted these things for so long.
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Speaker 6: But I did that on a very large scale, and
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Speaker 6: I loved it. But this is really... There's just nothing
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Speaker 6: more important. Make America great again. It was the first
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Speaker 6: thing I thought of, and I used it as a phrase,
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Speaker 6: and MAGA certainly caught on, as you know very well.
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 1: He's right about that. I got the clips mixed up.
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Speaker 1: He was right. He was talking about why he would
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Speaker 1: do it again, run again. Here's what he had to
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Speaker 1: say about Iran last night, probably taped before the attack,
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Speaker 1: so it would not be specific to the attack last
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Speaker 1: night by Iran on our bases in Jordan, cut number four.
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Speaker 6: Iran is a number one leading state sponsor of terror.
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Speaker 6: You've heard that many times in the whole world. They
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Speaker 6: cannot have a nuclear weapon. I have numerous people said, well,
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Speaker 6: did you have to do it? And then I say,
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Speaker 6: do you think it's OK for Iran to have a
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Speaker 6: nuclear weapon? Nuclear weapon is massive destruction. You know, take
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Speaker 6: what you see and multiply it times 100. And everybody
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Speaker 6: says no. I've had people on the other side asking
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Speaker 6: me or debating me, let's say, on that question. Most
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Speaker 6: people are. absolutely fine with it. They were fine with Venezuela.
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Speaker 6: They were all against Venezuela when I did it. And
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Speaker 6: now look how that's turned out so great. But they
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Speaker 6: were against this too. And all I say is, is
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Speaker 6: it okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon? I've
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Speaker 6: never had anyone say yes. And as soon as they say, no,
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Speaker 6: it's not okay, I said, well, then I'm right. But
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Speaker 6: we're doing a great job. The blockade has been unbelievable.
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Speaker 6: The financial crisis The hits that we're giving them, we're
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Speaker 6: hitting them very hard. Nobody's ever been hit like this.
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Speaker 6: And they're a failing nation right now. And at the
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Speaker 6: right point, we'll either win or they'll do something. But,
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Speaker 6: you know, I don't mind winning, just winning. I don't
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Speaker 6: need a signature on a piece of paper. But we're
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Speaker 6: doing very well. Their Navy's gone. Their Air Force is gone.
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Speaker 6: Their leaders are gone. All of their anti-aircraft, I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's all wiped out. They're tough people. They're smart people.
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Speaker 6: But they're very evil. They killed 52,000 protesters as of
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Speaker 6: three months ago. And sadly, they've added very substantially to
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Speaker 6: that list. Even people that aren't protesting, they go into
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Speaker 6: the houses and they take them and they shoot them.
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Speaker 6: These are very violent, evil people. And if they had
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Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon, Israel would be gone. If I weren't president,
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Speaker 6: Israel would be gone. There would be no Israel and
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Speaker 6: there would probably be no Middle East. And the way
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Speaker 6: you know that is people that were sort of neutral
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Speaker 6: got along with them for years. As soon as the
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Speaker 6: shooting started, they started aiming at Saudi Arabia, at Qatar,
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Speaker 6: at UAE, at Bahrain, at Kuwait. They were aiming. Everybody
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Speaker 6: was shocked. I was surprised. I thought it was a
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Speaker 6: very good thing because they lost all of the support
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Speaker 6: that they had. They had a certain amount of support.
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Speaker 6: They were, let's say, neutral, largely neutral. That means that
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Speaker 6: if they would have had a nuclear weapon, they would
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Speaker 6: have fired it. So I think the Middle East would
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Speaker 6: have essentially been gone. But Israel definitely would have been gone.
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Speaker 6: And I guess we would be next or Europe or someplace.
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Speaker 6: But no, you cannot let them have a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 6: And they won't have a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 1: He's right. It's the nature of the regime. Cannot change that.
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Speaker 1: Now let's go to, they talked about the midterms. Trey posed,
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Speaker 1: how are we going to do? President Trump said this,
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Speaker 1: cut number six.
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Speaker 6: I think we're going to do very well because we
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Speaker 6: have Communists, we have a party that's been infiltrated by
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Speaker 6: bad thought, by bad policy. I used to talk about socialism,
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Speaker 6: but this isn't socialism. This is largely communism. I look
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Speaker 6: at the people running like in Michigan. I watched his
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Speaker 6: interview the other day with Jesse, and I said, wow,
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Speaker 6: this man is out of it. This is very dangerous
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Speaker 6: for our country. I'm not saying good guy, bad guy.
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying This is big, big trouble for our country. Likewise,
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Speaker 6: many others. And what's happened is your same Democrats, of
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Speaker 6: which there are fewer and fewer, are forced to vote
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Speaker 6: in a way that they would not vote. And they
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Speaker 6: don't even believe in their vote. But if they don't
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Speaker 6: vote that way, they lose power. With all of that
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Speaker 6: being said, I think we're going to do well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then we go to what's wrong with the Democratic Party.
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Speaker 1: President Trump to Trey Gowdy, cut number three.
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Speaker 6: I'm a perfectionist. And if I see a crooked line,
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Speaker 6: if I see a corner that's not square, if I
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Speaker 6: see something going on that isn't good, if I see dirt,
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Speaker 6: that's one of the things I hate about the radical left.
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Speaker 6: Everything turns filthy, dirty, and then it goes to hell.
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Speaker 6: And then the murders start and the crime starts and
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Speaker 6: everything else. I don't know if that's natural. I don't
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Speaker 6: know if it's picked up. My parents were very clean people.
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Speaker 6: They were very proud people. But, you know, I'm proud
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Speaker 6: of the country. I want to see it fixed and
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Speaker 6: made better. We've fixed 82 monuments, statues, waterfalls in Washington.
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Speaker 6: Maybe more important, Washington, D.C., was almost the crime capital
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Speaker 6: of the United States. And now it's it's a totally
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Speaker 6: safe place. You know, crime is down. The whole country
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Speaker 6: crime is way down for the whole country. But if
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Speaker 6: you look at Washington, D.C., which is a microcosm, but
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Speaker 6: it's our capital. We brought in the National Guard. They're unbelievable.
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Speaker 6: They did a job with the police, with everybody. But
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Speaker 6: one number that I love giving, 2% of the people
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Speaker 6: create 91% of the crime. Because you can handle 2%.
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Speaker 6: If it were 30%, probably can't handle it, right? So
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Speaker 6: you take care of just 2%, and your crime rate
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Speaker 6: goes way down. And that's what happened in Washington and
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Speaker 6: Memphis and a few other cities we did. I wish
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Speaker 6: they'd call me from New York, Chicago, and L.A. I
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Speaker 6: would take those numbers down to nothing.
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Speaker 1: But they don't want that in deep blue cities. Finally,
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Speaker 1: President Trump on being a consequential president, cut number five.
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Speaker 5: Has that, especially being shot, changed the way you look
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Speaker 5: at life, death or life after death?
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Speaker 6: So it's an interesting question. I think that. And honest
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Speaker 6: answers I purposely don't think about. I don't want to
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Speaker 6: think about it. Because if I did, I wouldn't be here.
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Speaker 6: Probably wouldn't have this job. It's a very dangerous job.
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Speaker 6: You know, I saw the race. Roger Penske had the
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Speaker 6: big race in Washington, which was such a success. 250,000
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Speaker 6: people came in. They had to close the bridge to
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Speaker 6: so many people. And it was great and beautiful. What
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Speaker 6: a job. And you see these race cars going in
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Speaker 6: front of you at 200, almost 200 miles an hour.
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Speaker 6: And then going around a turn at a ridiculous speed
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Speaker 6: and all that. One-tenth of 1% die. One-tenth of 1%.
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Speaker 6: I think bull riding looks pretty dangerous to me. I
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Speaker 6: wouldn't want to do that. I think I'd rather be
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Speaker 6: in a race car. One-tenth of 1%, same number, just
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Speaker 6: about the same number, die. President, 5.2%. Think of it.
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Speaker 6: So many times. It's a dangerous profession. But if you
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Speaker 6: think about it, you're not going to do a very
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Speaker 6: good job. And I really am. I'm surrounded by very
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Speaker 6: good people. Secret Service has been great. Law enforcement's been great.
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Speaker 6: The military has been surrounded by a lot of people.
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Speaker 6: The only thing I can say about it, though, is
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Speaker 6: and if you look at it, it's true. It's, I guess,
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Speaker 6: a compliment, but a very strange form of compliment. Only
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Speaker 6: consequential presidents get shot or shot at. And I am
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Speaker 6: very consequential. We've changed. this whole world. We've saved this country.
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Speaker 6: This country had our opponent, my opponent, gotten elected. Instead
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Speaker 6: of having 19.2 trillion coming into the country, you would
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Speaker 6: have had 10 trillion going out. Your welfare would have
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Speaker 6: doubled or tripled. And you would have had a country
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Speaker 6: that was a failed country. We were very close. We
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Speaker 6: were right on the tipping edge. And now we have
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Speaker 6: the hottest country anywhere in the world. This is the
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Speaker 6: hottest country in the world right now, Trey. Every country
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Speaker 6: respects us more than any other country. Nobody's close.
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Speaker 1: So that is last night's interview with Trey Yinks and
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Speaker 1: President Trump. Good one. Coming up. Dr. Michael Oren. But next,
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Speaker 1: Scott Besson on Canada. A little bit of a teaser
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Speaker 1: on my hour of Abdul El-Sayed, an hour and three.
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Speaker 1: all of our radio affiliates. Welcome back, America.
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Speaker 6: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Michael Oren, or Ambassador Michael Oren, represents the state of
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Speaker 1: Israel and the United States for many, many years. He
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Speaker 1: is now the founder of the Israeli Project, or what
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Speaker 1: the Israel Advocacy Group Project is. Dr. Oren, last night
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Speaker 1: the United States preemptively struck Iranian launchers on an island
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Speaker 1: that were going to attempt to mine the Strait again.
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Speaker 1: Iran responded by firing many ballistic missiles at two American
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Speaker 1: bases in Jordan, none of which did any damage. But
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Speaker 1: President Trump told Trey Yanks a few hours ago, we're
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Speaker 1: going to hit them very hard tonight. How does this
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Speaker 1: go in your view?
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Speaker 7: I think it goes. I think the Iranians are going
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Speaker 7: to try to drag the United States into more kinetic activity.
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Speaker 7: to get oil prices driven up, to weaken the Republican
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Speaker 7: chances of retaining the two houses of Congress. That's their goal.
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Speaker 7: They're not stupid, Hugh. They know what's up. They know
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Speaker 7: they're in an impossible situation with the naval blockade. They're
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Speaker 7: bleeding money, $ 100 to $ 300 million a day. This is
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Speaker 7: costing them. They won't be able to pay the salaries
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Speaker 7: of the IRGC soon, the Basij. Unfortunately, the Iranian people
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Speaker 7: will also suffer from this. It's not our goal, but unfortunately,
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Speaker 7: it's the only way we can advance the goal of
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Speaker 7: making the Middle East and the world safe from Iran.
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Speaker 7: The idea is not to fall into that trap. It's
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Speaker 7: to stay the course, stay the course, respond to Iranian
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Speaker 7: aggression and fire in a measured way, but don't get
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Speaker 7: dragged into an all-out war right now. Let's see what
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Speaker 7: happens after November 4th.
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Speaker 1: So, Ambassador, today Amit Sehgal of Channel 12 posted that
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Speaker 1: Iranian leaders are making plans to flee. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how the Israeli press works, but in America that's usually
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Speaker 1: based on a high-level source. Does it work that way
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Speaker 1: in Israel? Did someone tell Amit that?
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Speaker 2: Preferably, yes.
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Speaker 7: But I haven't heard it repeated ever by any other source.
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Speaker 7: So one wonders. Remember, we're in an election season. Maybe
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Speaker 7: people have an interest in showing that Israel's military activity
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Speaker 7: in Iran has been more effective.
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: But I would be very cautious in taking that on
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Speaker 7: face value.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: Now, the ultra-Orthodox have not been able to combine into
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Speaker 1: a single list. What does that mean for the likelihood
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Speaker 1: of the coalition enduring another four years?
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Speaker 7: Not much, because the ultra-Orthodox will, even though they don't
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Speaker 7: make it to a single list, they will band together
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Speaker 7: in any government. Very rarely do you have one Orthodox
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Speaker 7: party that joins a government and the others stay outside.
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Speaker 7: The last time I can really think of that was
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Speaker 7: during the Oslo period. When the Shas party joined with
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Speaker 7: Yitzhak Rabin in approving the Oslo Accords in 1993-1995, it's very,
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Speaker 7: very rare. And right now, as the issue is ultra-Orthodox
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Speaker 7: service in the military, or rather non-service in the military,
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Speaker 7: I don't see these ultra-Orthodox parties breaking ranks at any
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Speaker 7: time soon. The big question is whether the so-called change blocs,
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Speaker 7: those blocs that want to bring down Netanyahu, bring down
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Speaker 7: his coalition, and ensure that the ultra-Orthodox are conscripted into
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Speaker 7: the army, whether they can band together tonight and form
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Speaker 7: a coalition.
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Speaker 1: All right. Now my very complicated question. The Attorney General
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Speaker 1: of Israel was appointed by the last government. The Netanyahu
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Speaker 1: government has been the only government in Israel history to
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Speaker 1: last its entire mandate for four years. She's still the
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Speaker 1: Attorney General.
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Speaker 2: How long?
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Speaker 1: And she's an absolute political opponent, enemy of Netanyahu. How
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Speaker 1: long does she stay the Attorney General? And who thought
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Speaker 1: up this system?
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Speaker 7: Well, there's not much time I have to defend this,
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Speaker 7: but in America, you are blessed with three co-equal branches
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Speaker 7: of government that serve and check and balances. In Israel,
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Speaker 7: we only have two because our executive and the legislative
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Speaker 7: are the same. The president, the cabinet is made up
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Speaker 7: of members of Knesset. It's not experts chosen by the president.
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Speaker 7: They're not loyal to the prime minister. They are truly
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Speaker 7: a team of rivals. Each one is a potential prime minister.
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Speaker 7: So there's really no difference between our legislative and executive.
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Speaker 7: The only checks we have on government is the judiciary
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Speaker 7: and certain state-appointed officials, among them the Attorney General. The
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Speaker 7: Attorney General of the United States is loyal to the
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Speaker 7: President of the United States, appointed by the United States. No,
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Speaker 7: the Attorney General of the State of Israel serves as
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Speaker 7: a check on government. And as a check on government,
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Speaker 7: that Attorney General, as far as I know, there's no
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Speaker 7: term limit.
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Speaker 1: Really? Because that seems– she found the other day that
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Speaker 1: the shutdown of the army– media station was illegal. She
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Speaker 1: comes out with like a pronouncement a week, and I
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Speaker 1: think to myself, how in the world does this government
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Speaker 1: function if the opposition has a right to declare every
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Speaker 1: action null and void?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but then the government will then take it to
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Speaker 7: the Supreme Court, and then, you know, the Supreme Court
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Speaker 7: will make a ruling. It is complex, as you know.
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Speaker 7: It is a very, very imperfect system. So now this government,
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Speaker 7: the outgoing government, had tried to change the rules and
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Speaker 7: get the Attorney General to be a political appointee and
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Speaker 7: not a state appointee. And the counter-argument is that it's
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Speaker 7: basically putting the fox in charge of guarding the hens, right?
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Speaker 7: How can the State Attorney General guard against, be a
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Speaker 7: check on government when it's actually part of the government?
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Speaker 7: So there's really no easy way out of this. As
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Speaker 7: you know, democracy in a perfect system, better than the alternatives.
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Speaker 1: All right, so last question. Does Iran dare strike Israel
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Speaker 1: in the renewed combat that is ahead?
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 7: The answer to that unequivocally, yes. And the answer is this.
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Speaker 7: They may strike us in an attempt to drag us
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Speaker 7: into a battle and once again sort of revive the
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Speaker 7: charge that Israel is dragging the United States into an
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Speaker 7: unnecessary and endless war in the Middle East. They follow
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Speaker 7: American politics very, very keenly, and they know that narrative.
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Speaker 7: And so they may conclude that, hey, we got through
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Speaker 7: the last round of Israeli airstrikes. We can get through
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Speaker 7: the next one. It can actually shore up our position
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Speaker 7: vis-a-vis the Islamic world. We're standing up to those horrible
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Speaker 7: Americans and those horrible Israelis. And they may conclude that.
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Speaker 7: So the Israeli military tonight, the Air Force in particular,
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Speaker 7: is on very high alert.
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Speaker 1: So, Michael, if they did that, do you think the
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Speaker 1: target list is significantly different, or do you think that
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Speaker 1: the IDF will hit whatever means of production they have left?
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Speaker 1: They don't have a lot left in the defense industrial base.
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Speaker 1: Do they go for the juggler of their oil and
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Speaker 1: gas facilities?
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Speaker 7: I think that generally speaking, the people of Israel, I
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Speaker 7: can't speak for the prime minister, but the people of
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Speaker 7: Israel do not want to have the same war we
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Speaker 7: had last time, where we were kept on a relatively
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Speaker 7: short leash. We couldn't hit what we wanted to hit.
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Speaker 7: And when the president said stop, we had to stop.
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Speaker 7: And I think the people of Israel want, if we
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Speaker 7: go back to war, we're going all out, which means
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Speaker 7: we get to hit what we want to hit. And
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Speaker 7: I think what we want to hit would be to
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Speaker 7: ignite Cargillan, and we can do that in a matter
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Speaker 7: of hours with our air force, and to take out
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Speaker 7: their entire energy sector. and not stop, not stop until
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Speaker 7: the regime is gone. And this is a matter between
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Speaker 7: the president and the prime minister, but I hope they
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Speaker 7: can reach an agreement on that, because if the prime
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Speaker 7: minister does agree to this, he'll have the full backing,
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Speaker 7: even in election season, of the people of Israel.
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Speaker 1: I've got to think Iran is not that stupid. Do
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Speaker 1: you think they're that stupid? 30 seconds, Michael Oren.
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Speaker 7: I think they are that stupid. I think that they
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Speaker 7: think that they can pull this out. It's a game
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Speaker 7: of chicken. They think they can get to November 4th
18:18
Speaker 7: and have the president lose one or two houses, have
18:21
Speaker 7: him face impeachment charges, and then, you know, get out
18:24
Speaker 7: of jail free card.
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Speaker 1: They really don't understand American politics. I don't think they
18:29
Speaker 1: understand the idea.
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Speaker 8: Dr.
18:31
Speaker 1: Michael Oren, follow him on exit, Dr. Michael Oren, head
18:34
Speaker 1: of the Israel Advocacy Project, Israel Advocacy Group. I'll get
18:38
Speaker 1: it right eventually. Michael, stay tuned, America. Welcome back, America.
18:44
Speaker 1: Breaking news. Supreme Court 5-4 upholds President Trump's right to
18:47
Speaker 1: finish the East Wing. I'm a little bit surprised Chief
18:50
Speaker 1: Justice Roberts went with the 4. I haven't read their
18:52
Speaker 1: opinion yet, but what matters is that the East Wing,
18:55
Speaker 1: or what we'll call now the Trump Wing, will be
18:57
Speaker 1: finished without interruption. Now I move on to the Washington Post.
19:02
Speaker 1: Kurt Schlichter was a target of a hit piece today
19:04
Speaker 1: in the Washington Post, and he's already written his response
19:06
Speaker 1: at townhall.com, which I want to read for you. This
19:10
Speaker 1: is Kurt. How can you trust regime media reporters report
19:14
Speaker 1: anything right when they can't even spell my name correctly?
19:17
Speaker 1: There's a second H in schlichter, guys. By the time
19:21
Speaker 1: you read this compendium of crap, expect a stealth edit
19:24
Speaker 1: to affix the egregious error. Sure, my name is a
19:27
Speaker 1: little tough for those not fluent in Deutsch. But it's
19:31
Speaker 1: out there all over the place. After all, according to
19:33
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, I'm an important conservative influencer, Kurt wrote.
19:38
Speaker 1: worthy of an expose because I decided to continue to
19:40
Speaker 1: serve my country after retiring, following 27 years in uniform.
19:44
Speaker 1: Of course, their spelling error isn't their only error. It's
19:47
Speaker 1: emblematic of their shoddy work in general. Thank you. Once
20:02
Speaker 1: WAPO published, a bunch of other outlets picked it up,
20:04
Speaker 1: regurgitating the original regurgitation. Oh well. I do appreciate that
20:08
Speaker 1: the regime media has now acknowledged me as an important
20:11
Speaker 1: conservative influencer. I got 300 or so new followers for
20:14
Speaker 1: at Kirchlichter. Thanks for the validation, jerks. For those of
20:18
Speaker 1: you who missed this non-story, which would be most of
20:20
Speaker 1: you on Sunday, the WAPO decided the fact that the
20:23
Speaker 1: Department of War hired three retired colonels to investigate and
20:27
Speaker 1: report on the status of the military war colleges is
20:30
Speaker 1: a major scandal of epic proportion. Move over, Watergate. Guys
20:34
Speaker 1: who serve their country continue to do so. The article claims, quote,
20:38
Speaker 1: they amplify Defense Secretary Pete Hex's viewpoints and attack those
20:42
Speaker 1: who scrutinize the Trump administration, which is true to the
20:45
Speaker 1: extent we agree with the Secretary of War. It's funny
20:47
Speaker 1: how those of Washington's leftist critics are those who scrutinize Trump.
20:52
Speaker 1: We'll be going after it only now validated by the
20:54
Speaker 1: Washington Post's key conservative voices. The article's implication was that
20:59
Speaker 1: somehow we were paid to tweet D.O.W. talking points, which
21:02
Speaker 1: is false, but add the predictable effect on the predictable
21:05
Speaker 1: dummies of X, who obediently morphed from screaming that I
21:08
Speaker 1: was a Zionist Jew lover and an Epstein protector to
21:11
Speaker 1: a Fed. It was all an IQ test, and a
21:13
Speaker 1: lot of people failed. The article in question is titled
21:16
Speaker 1: Pentagon Secretly Installs Military Influencers in Civilian Roles. But even
21:21
Speaker 1: the title is a lie. No one was secretly installed
21:24
Speaker 1: in anything. We were asked to do a very specific
21:26
Speaker 1: job within our military and civilian wheelhouses, and we did it.
21:30
Speaker 1: We didn't make it about us, which is apparently an
21:32
Speaker 1: alien concept in D.C. Here's what happened, and this explanation
21:36
Speaker 1: is only for the benefit of the patriots. The leftists
21:39
Speaker 1: who seize on this innuendio don't care about the truth,
21:41
Speaker 1: and it's irrelevant whether the regime reporters wrote the garbage
21:44
Speaker 1: on purpose or whether they are grossly incompetent. I don't
21:47
Speaker 1: argue with people who, through malice or ineptitude, act in
21:50
Speaker 1: bad faith unless I'm in court. but I will use
21:52
Speaker 1: this situation as a cautionary example of why regime media
21:56
Speaker 1: is trash and why your contempt for it is so well-deserved.
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Speaker 1: Last spring, a senior Pentagon official, not from public affairs,
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Speaker 1: which had zero to do with this project, reached out
22:05
Speaker 1: to me. Tom Anderson, a.k.a. Cynical Publius, and Rob Maness, a.k.a.
22:11
Speaker 1: Rob Maness, were asked to undertake a review and make
22:14
Speaker 1: recommendations about the military's war colleges, where senior military leaders
22:19
Speaker 1: attend as colonels and Navy commanders and captains. These programs,
22:22
Speaker 1: and there are about 10 of them of various sizes
22:24
Speaker 1: and forms, have had their problems, including but not limited
22:27
Speaker 1: to the same creeping wokeness that has affected the entire
22:30
Speaker 1: military until President Trump essentially banned it. But DEI was
22:35
Speaker 1: not the focus of the project, as the WAPO implies.
22:38
Speaker 1: The focus was how to ensure these institutions are preparing
22:41
Speaker 1: future generals and admirals for the challenges of war in
22:44
Speaker 1: the 21st century. The poison of DEI was a component
22:47
Speaker 1: of the inquiry, but just one part of a complex issue.
22:50
Speaker 1: We would come on board as temporary special government employees
22:53
Speaker 1: since we needed that status to use government information systems,
22:56
Speaker 1: access information, perform our duties. None of our duties involved
23:00
Speaker 1: tweeting or messaging. Again, the claim that we were paid
23:03
Speaker 1: to public a message is a lie. We would visit
23:06
Speaker 1: the campuses, interview people, review course materials, prepare a report
23:10
Speaker 1: with recommendations. We began by reviewing reams of written materials.
23:14
Speaker 1: We eventually made several visits to the pentagons and the
23:16
Speaker 1: various schools, plus had some video interactions. We each talked
23:20
Speaker 1: to hundreds of people. We conducted detailed interviews with large
23:23
Speaker 1: and small groups, including commandant students, civilians, military faculty, administrators,
23:28
Speaker 1: and civilian and military leaders in the field. So this
23:31
Speaker 1: was not a secret in any sense the WAPO implied
23:33
Speaker 1: to paint it in a sinister light, while at the
23:35
Speaker 1: same time noting that we were talking to people in
23:37
Speaker 1: connection with the project. It's weird that a journalist did
23:40
Speaker 1: not see the contradiction between calling it a secret while
23:43
Speaker 1: reporting we were doing it publicly. But hey, democracy dies
23:46
Speaker 1: in the darkness or something. Maybe the reporters expected a
23:50
Speaker 1: personal email notifying them of the project. That's the kind
23:54
Speaker 1: of arrogance we've come to expect from the journos. We
23:57
Speaker 1: eventually produced a report of 1,700 words, 1,700, 500 words.
24:01
Speaker 1: I'll pick up after the break and finish the story.
24:04
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. The Kurt Schlichter story is at townhall.com, and
24:08
Speaker 1: you ought to go read it all. I'll be right back.
24:11
Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. I am reading quickly the decision of
24:14
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court 5-4 to uphold President's authority over the
24:17
Speaker 1: East Wing. It's a standing decision by the five. The
24:20
Speaker 1: four say there is standing. The five say there isn't.
24:22
Speaker 1: The four also say it's illegal. The five say nothing
24:25
Speaker 1: about that. It's a standing decision. I'll summarize it at
24:28
Speaker 1: the start of next hour. I want to finish Kurt
24:31
Speaker 1: Schlichter's column in town hall, and I urge you to
24:33
Speaker 1: send it everywhere. He talks about a report that he
24:36
Speaker 1: and two other conservative influencers produced on the war colleges.
24:40
Speaker 1: We eventually produced a report of about 17,500 words. It
24:44
Speaker 1: is up to the Secretary of War to release it
24:48
Speaker 1: or throw it in the trash as we see fit.
24:50
Speaker 1: I will say we are proud of it. We made
24:51
Speaker 1: recommendations we think will help train the best possible senior
24:54
Speaker 1: officers to face the challenges of the future. Every moment
24:58
Speaker 1: we worked, we focused on one thing, making sure our
25:01
Speaker 1: young troops got quality leaders they deserve. I know that
25:05
Speaker 1: motive is not as juicy for the regime media. and
25:07
Speaker 1: they're lefty friends of some fantasy influencing scheme, but it
25:10
Speaker 1: is the truth. So why pick us? Why would three
25:14
Speaker 1: right-wing Internet guys get picked for this job? Well, because
25:17
Speaker 1: we have a very special set of skills. All three
25:20
Speaker 1: of us are retired 06 colonels, graduates of one or
25:23
Speaker 1: more of the war colleges, and we have extensive tactical
25:26
Speaker 1: and command experience. Tom Anderson was an Army logistics officer
25:30
Speaker 1: with multiple deployments. Rob Moness was a B-1 weapons officer
25:33
Speaker 1: who was on the Pentagon duty on 9-11. I was
25:36
Speaker 1: a chemical and an infantry officer serving both on active
25:38
Speaker 1: duty and importantly in the reserves, which make up about
25:41
Speaker 1: half of America's military forces, are often overlooked in projects
25:45
Speaker 1: like this one. The WAPO failed to provide these important
25:48
Speaker 1: details to its readers. Why? It also failed to mention
25:52
Speaker 1: our significant civilian experience beyond our writing, which he goes
25:56
Speaker 1: on to detail. It's true we are conservative, but why
25:59
Speaker 1: would it be wrong for an administration to bring in
26:01
Speaker 1: like-minded individuals to help enact its policies? And he closed,
26:06
Speaker 1: I guess, one, why don't you, what obscenities do you
26:09
Speaker 1: reply with, Kurt? Well, none. I did not reply. I
26:13
Speaker 1: don't comment on my work. I don't talk to regime media.
26:16
Speaker 1: Screw the Washington Post. He was asked for comment. You
26:19
Speaker 1: may also know that I appear in the Pentagon system
26:21
Speaker 1: and pop up in the system. So what was I
26:23
Speaker 1: doing there? He also said, actually, it's too long for
26:27
Speaker 1: me to summarize. All I'm going to tell you is
26:29
Speaker 1: Kurt took it apart, paragraph by paragraph, line by line,
26:34
Speaker 1: sentence by sentence, and the response of my readers has
26:37
Speaker 1: been the delight that I'm helping my country again. They
26:40
Speaker 1: understand that professionals don't promiscuously talk about what they do.
26:44
Speaker 1: If they are upset about it, they are free to
26:46
Speaker 1: read someone else's writings. Maybe their wife's boyfriend will give
26:49
Speaker 1: them a Bulwark subscription for Kwanzaa. So three retired colonels
26:54
Speaker 1: decided to help their country one more time. The Washington
26:57
Speaker 1: Post tried to make that a story. It failed. We
27:00
Speaker 1: have had a tremendous outpouring of support But we don't
27:03
Speaker 1: need it. The Washington Post, like the rest of regime media,
27:06
Speaker 1: is a pompous joke. If you want to know why
27:09
Speaker 1: it's dying, this fiasco is Exhibit A. We wear its
27:12
Speaker 1: hate like one of our medals. Oh, and the next
27:14
Speaker 1: time you hack scribblers want to play Mean Girls with me,
27:17
Speaker 1: remember that Schlichter has two H. I'm glad that Kurt
27:22
Speaker 1: is my guest host of choice, and I hope he
27:25
Speaker 1: will be back soon so we can talk at length
27:27
Speaker 1: about that. When I come back, the hour of Abdul El-Sayed,
27:30
Speaker 1: after I summarize, I want to make sure the per
27:32
Speaker 1: curiam opinion is pretty short, so I'll be able to
27:35
Speaker 1: read it during the break as well as the dissent.
27:37
Speaker 1: Surprise that Chief Justice went with the dissent, but I'll
27:39
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Speaker 1: Morning glory and evening grace America. This is the hour
30:46
Speaker 1: of Abdul El-Sayed, but that will begin in the next segment.
30:50
Speaker 1: Let me begin now. I want to explain to you
30:51
Speaker 1: what happened at Supreme Court this afternoon. Remember President Trump
30:55
Speaker 1: last year demolished the East Wing and began to rebuild it.
31:01
Speaker 1: And they're working, 250 people are working seven days a week,
31:04
Speaker 1: 20 hours a day. They've got to get it done.
31:08
Speaker 1: And it's been presented as a ballroom, but it's not
31:10
Speaker 1: a ballroom. It's actually bunkers, on which the ballroom rests,
31:13
Speaker 1: on which there will be a roof, on which there
31:15
Speaker 1: will be defenses of the presidential mansion. And my position
31:19
Speaker 1: has always been the president, by virtue of his grant
31:22
Speaker 1: of authority as commander-in-chief, has the right to construct the
31:25
Speaker 1: commander-in-chief's facilities as he sees fit. But that's on the merits.
31:32
Speaker 1: The question is, who gets to bring the lawsuit? Because
31:36
Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court or any federal court to entertain
31:39
Speaker 1: a dispute, There has to be an actual case or controversy.
31:45
Speaker 1: And while anyone can bring a lawsuit over anything, they
31:48
Speaker 1: normally get thrown out unless you actually have standing to
31:52
Speaker 1: bring the lawsuit. Standing means you've been injured in a
31:56
Speaker 1: concrete and particularized way, a way that the court can
32:01
Speaker 1: remedy if they get to the merits. But you've got
32:05
Speaker 1: to be actually injured. And I always thought this was
32:08
Speaker 1: a hoo-ha case because the plaintiff is an architectural specialist
32:13
Speaker 1: who objects to the aesthetic injury she, I think it's
32:17
Speaker 1: a she, is suffering when she walks by the East Wing, which,
32:20
Speaker 1: by the way, most people can't see. So five justices,
32:24
Speaker 1: the five originalists, less the chief justice, said no standing,
32:28
Speaker 1: no standing. And the four dissenters, including the chief justice, said, yeah,
32:33
Speaker 1: standing here because it's a special building. And she's got
32:37
Speaker 1: specialized knowledge. Look, There are plays in the NFL, free play,
32:44
Speaker 1: and a free play is where the quarterback sees the
32:47
Speaker 1: flag is thrown on a defensive jump offside. So they
32:52
Speaker 1: just wheel off and they throw the bomb. They just
32:55
Speaker 1: throw something for the highlight reel. Maybe it'll work. You
32:58
Speaker 1: can decline the penalty. Maybe it won't work and you
33:00
Speaker 1: get the down over. I am tempted to say that
33:03
Speaker 1: Chief Justice had a free play here. And he wanted
33:07
Speaker 1: to make known that he doesn't like the fact that
33:09
Speaker 1: the president acted, in his view, illegally without the consent
33:14
Speaker 1: of Congress. I don't think he did. Chief Justice is
33:17
Speaker 1: the Chief Justice. He thinks he did. But five members
33:19
Speaker 1: of the court say there's no standing. And the five
33:22
Speaker 1: members of the court added their own dicta because the
33:25
Speaker 1: Chief Justice's line about likely illegal is also dicta. Dicta
33:29
Speaker 1: meaning not dispositive, doesn't bind anyone. What the majority said,
33:34
Speaker 1: and again, I don't know if Justice Amy Coney Barrett
33:36
Speaker 1: wrote this or not, but I've told many people, I
33:40
Speaker 1: think she's brilliant and the equal of any justice of
33:43
Speaker 1: my lifetime. I don't know who wrote this, but I
33:47
Speaker 1: like this. It's a per curiam opinion, so it's unsigned.
33:50
Speaker 1: The government has also established that it will likely suffer
33:53
Speaker 1: irreparable harm from the district court's injunction and that the
33:56
Speaker 1: balance of equities tips in its favor. Again, this is
33:59
Speaker 1: not anything except their opinions. the case doesn't proceed because
34:04
Speaker 1: no one's been injured. Start with this. The district court
34:08
Speaker 1: likely exceeded its Article III authority to enjoin the activities
34:12
Speaker 1: of a coordinate branch of government. And courts may not
34:16
Speaker 1: exceed the bounds of their lawful authority simply because they
34:20
Speaker 1: may think another branch has exceeded its own. Nor is
34:28
Speaker 1: that all. The government has also presented declarations from the
34:31
Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency,
34:36
Speaker 1: the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Director
34:39
Speaker 1: of the United States Secret Service, and the Secretary of State,
34:43
Speaker 1: the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Secretary of the Army,
34:46
Speaker 1: among others, attesting to the national security and other harms
34:50
Speaker 1: that would likely arise from enjoining a single coherent project
34:54
Speaker 1: that cannot be readily cleaved into distinct below and above
34:57
Speaker 1: ground pieces. The Secretary of the Army, for example, represents that, quote,
35:02
Speaker 1: the height and the mass, close quote, of the planned
35:04
Speaker 1: above-ground ballroom are, quote, crucial to shield the planned underground
35:09
Speaker 1: military installation, quote, from kinetic impacts, close quote, and that
35:15
Speaker 1: without such heightened mass, engineers would need to dig impractically deep.
35:21
Speaker 1: Of course, the district court's injunction does not completely preclude
35:25
Speaker 1: above-ground construction, quote, and might be read to afford the
35:28
Speaker 1: government sufficient leeway to revise its construction plans and install
35:32
Speaker 1: some form of protective cover over the below-ground military installation.
35:39
Speaker 1: But none of that calls into question the government's declarations
35:42
Speaker 1: of testing that constructing something approximating the height and mass
35:48
Speaker 1: of the intended above-ground crawl room is crucial to the
35:51
Speaker 1: security of the below-ground military installation, and that every day
35:55
Speaker 1: during construction delay impairs the Secret Service protective operations at
36:02
Speaker 1: the contemplated ballroom would enhance security for the presidents and
36:05
Speaker 1: their visitors who in the past have met in soft
36:08
Speaker 1: tents or off-site when gathering in large numbers. That a
36:12
Speaker 1: prolonged construction period increases the risk of foreign actors, quote,
36:16
Speaker 1: gathering intelligence on the project, close quote, or that freezing
36:20
Speaker 1: construction would risk significant, quote, construction-related problems, close quote, ranging
36:26
Speaker 1: from concerns about how to secure the structural integrity of
36:29
Speaker 1: a partially completed superstructure to the possibility of having to
36:33
Speaker 1: delay the installation of infrastructure, quote, required to make the
36:37
Speaker 1: below-ground facilities operational. Meanwhile, on the other side of the ledger,
36:42
Speaker 1: and against these harms, the only harm the National Trust
36:45
Speaker 1: claims is that the offense of one of its members
36:48
Speaker 1: will suffer from having to view a structure of the scale, height,
36:52
Speaker 1: and massing the government intends. These harms and equities are
36:56
Speaker 1: not nearly an equipoise. Today, we do not pass upon
37:01
Speaker 1: the legality of the government's East Wing project. We conclude only,
37:05
Speaker 1: based on the submission before us, the government is likely
37:08
Speaker 1: to prevail in showing that the trust lacks Article III
37:11
Speaker 1: standing to challenge the project in the federal court and
37:14
Speaker 1: that remaining stay factors favors relief. Accordingly, the application for
37:19
Speaker 1: stay presented to the Chief Justice and by him referred
37:22
Speaker 1: to the court is granted. The injunction entered by the
37:25
Speaker 1: United States District Court for the District of Columbia is
37:29
Speaker 1: stayed pending the filing and disposition of the government's petition
37:32
Speaker 1: for a writ of certiorari if such writ is timely sought.
37:36
Speaker 1: Should certiorari be denied, the stay shall terminate automatically in
37:41
Speaker 1: the event certiorari is granted. The stay shall terminate upon
37:44
Speaker 1: the sending down of the judgment of the court. What
37:48
Speaker 1: does that mean? That means the East Wing is going
37:50
Speaker 1: to get finished. All right, just English. That means five
37:55
Speaker 1: members of the court said, get out of here, that's
37:57
Speaker 1: not standing, it's not even close to standing. Four members
38:00
Speaker 1: of the court said, oh yes, oh yes, the National
38:02
Speaker 1: Trust for Historic Preservation has a member who is uniquely
38:05
Speaker 1: injured by this. I couldn't disagree more with the four
38:08
Speaker 1: members of the court, but they have a right to
38:10
Speaker 1: say what they say, and I do not do telepathy.
38:13
Speaker 1: No one should do telepathy. Read their opinion. They want
38:16
Speaker 1: to carve out an exception to standing doctrine for really
38:21
Speaker 1: important projects like the White House East Wing. That's not
38:25
Speaker 1: something I would do. But the Chief Justice went with
38:29
Speaker 1: the three libs. I thought it would be 7-2, because
38:32
Speaker 1: I thought Justice Kagan and the Chief Justice would go
38:34
Speaker 1: with the obvious standing doctrine, even if they didn't like
38:36
Speaker 1: the project, because it's obviously going to turn standing upside down.
38:41
Speaker 1: You know whose life this complicates the most? Not the
38:44
Speaker 1: construction that will get finished on time. Doesn't change standing doctrine,
38:48
Speaker 1: not in the least. Not ever, not now, not ever.
38:52
Speaker 2: It's overt.
38:53
Speaker 1: It complicates the life of Randy Barnett and Josh Blackman,
38:57
Speaker 1: and I need them to be done in a hurry.
38:59
Speaker 1: They're updating, I think it's the fifth edition of Cases
39:02
Speaker 1: and Materials on Constitutional Law, and I'm teaching in January,
39:05
Speaker 1: so I need it done. I need that done. The
39:08
Speaker 1: first part of the book is justiciability. Jurisdiction, standing, ripeness, mootness,
39:14
Speaker 1: political question doctrine. And I spend weeks on that. Not
39:17
Speaker 1: many con law professors do, but I do because cases
39:20
Speaker 1: like this get decided on standing. and obscure, and it
39:24
Speaker 1: tells you who gets to bring a case and who's not.
39:26
Speaker 1: And they're probably done with that. They're probably close to
39:29
Speaker 1: sending it to the printer. Stop the presses. Go back
39:34
Speaker 1: right after Lujan versus Defenders of Wildlife, which I teach
39:37
Speaker 1: every year. They're going to have to put in this,
39:41
Speaker 1: which confirms Lujan versus Defenders of Wildlife, but notes that
39:46
Speaker 1: four members of the court wanted to blow the doors
39:49
Speaker 1: off of standing because they like the White House. And
39:54
Speaker 1: I'm amazed, I am surprised, but I am glad to
39:57
Speaker 1: have the dicta from the majority on the fact that
40:01
Speaker 1: the record before the court says this is a national
40:04
Speaker 1: security project and the common sense dicta is that we
40:10
Speaker 1: don't want to mess around with that. And in essence,
40:13
Speaker 1: we decided on standing, but the weight of the dicta goes,
40:17
Speaker 1: I think, with people who put the national security first.
40:20
Speaker 1: Chief Justice does too. Chief Justice knows the White House.
40:23
Speaker 1: But so does Brett Kavanaugh, maybe even better. Maybe he
40:27
Speaker 1: remembers it because he was there more recently. Very interesting, though,
40:30
Speaker 1: that the chief went with the libs and the other
40:34
Speaker 1: five hung together. They didn't lose Barrett and they didn't
40:38
Speaker 1: lose Kavanaugh, which, I mean, mind read away. It is
40:42
Speaker 1: what it is. The East Room will be finished and
40:44
Speaker 1: they'll dance for the next 200 years in the Trump ballroom.
40:48
Speaker 1: And there ain't nothing anyone's going to do about it
40:50
Speaker 1: now because the government is going to seek cert. Cert
40:55
Speaker 1: is going to be certainly granted. They will argue it out.
40:59
Speaker 1: And it will be moot, another justiciability question, by the
41:03
Speaker 1: time the court ever hears the argument, I think. It's 70%
41:08
Speaker 1: done now. They're going to work before the fall turns
41:12
Speaker 1: into winter in D.C. And it's going to be up
41:15
Speaker 1: and it's going to be done. Coming up. I'm going
41:18
Speaker 1: to talk with the vice president of the Manhattan Institute,
41:20
Speaker 1: who attempted to get, but CNN shut him down, to
41:23
Speaker 1: the merits of the El-Sayed Piker case. And the rest
41:26
Speaker 1: of the hour is on El-Sayed. Stay tuned. Welcome back, America.
41:38
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt, as promised. I'm joined by Jesse Arm.
41:41
Speaker 1: Jesse is the vice president of the Manhattan Institute. I'm
41:43
Speaker 1: doing this against my better judgment. Number one, he's a
41:46
Speaker 1: University of Michigan graduate, so he can't know much. Number two,
41:49
Speaker 1: he worked for Senator Tom Cotton, so he didn't learn much.
41:52
Speaker 1: Number three, he's very likely to just put words in
41:54
Speaker 1: my mouth, and I'm going to be very upset. Jesse,
41:56
Speaker 1: how are you?
41:58
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good.
41:58
Speaker 9: But you're a University of Michigan graduate, too, so how
42:01
Speaker 9: can I not know much?
42:03
Speaker 11: I am a law school graduate, and I root for
42:05
Speaker 11: The Ohio State University, and so I treat Michigan like
42:09
Speaker 11: the Vikings treated England.
42:10
Speaker 1: Go get everything worth having and leave. Jesse, why did
42:13
Speaker 1: you go to the University of Michigan? Are you really
42:15
Speaker 1: a Wolverine State guy?
42:19
Speaker 9: Well, I went to the university that I now root
42:22
Speaker 9: for in college sports, Hugh. So I think that makes
42:25
Speaker 9: a lot of sense. Why did I go to Michigan?
42:26
Speaker 9: Because I'm from Michigan. And the truth is you've got
42:30
Speaker 9: to be like a super genius who's going to get
42:32
Speaker 9: a full ride to Harvard to really justify.
42:34
Speaker 2: Going anywhere else for university.
42:36
Speaker 9: It's an incredible deal if you're an in-state resident to
42:39
Speaker 9: go to the University of Michigan.
42:40
Speaker 1: That's a great university. I give people a lot of
42:42
Speaker 1: grief on that. But tell me, what did you study
42:45
Speaker 1: at the U?
42:47
Speaker 9: I studied political economy and international affairs.
42:50
Speaker 1: And how did you end up with Tom Cotton?
42:55
Speaker 2: Tom Cotton.
42:56
Speaker 9: Well, I ended up working for Senator Cotton because after
42:59
Speaker 9: doing a couple of programs and reading some books and
43:01
Speaker 9: not enjoying a whole lot of what my professor said
43:04
Speaker 9: at the university, I decided he was really the kind
43:06
Speaker 9: of conservative I wanted to emulate and I wanted to
43:09
Speaker 9: work for, and I sought out the opportunity to go
43:11
Speaker 9: work for him.
43:12
Speaker 1: Okay, now you're at one of the preeminent think tanks
43:14
Speaker 1: on the center right to the right, the Manhattan Institute.
43:17
Speaker 1: And I've been very happy to have Chris Ruffo on.
43:19
Speaker 1: I've been very happy to have everyone from the Manhattan
43:21
Speaker 1: Institute on. When did you go up or to the
43:25
Speaker 1: Manhattan Institute? They might have a DC office. I'm not sure.
43:29
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Well, I've been at the Manhattan Institute since the beginning
43:31
Speaker 9: of 2021. I joined shortly after Raihan Salam, my boss,
43:36
Speaker 9: became the president of the organization. Prior to that, I
43:39
Speaker 9: worked in data analytics and predictive modeling and kind of
43:43
Speaker 9: the data and polling space around politics and a little
43:47
Speaker 9: bit in the private sector. But I really wanted to
43:49
Speaker 9: build an outreach operation within the Manhattan Institute so that
43:52
Speaker 9: we could do more than just produce white papers and
43:54
Speaker 9: get some wins on the board.
43:56
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I asked you on is because of
43:57
Speaker 1: your memorable exchange with Adi Cornish last week. And by
44:00
Speaker 1: the way, my rule is I never talk trash about
44:04
Speaker 1: people with whom I've worked. If they've paid me, if
44:08
Speaker 1: they haven't paid. So I won't say anything about the
44:09
Speaker 1: Washington Post or NBC or MSNBC. And I'll never say
44:13
Speaker 1: anything about Fox or Salem. I don't know if CNN
44:15
Speaker 1: pays you. Are you paid yet, Jesse?
44:19
Speaker 9: I don't get paid to go on CNN, but I'm
44:21
Speaker 9: still not going to say anything bad about CNN.
44:22
Speaker 1: Good. You know, it's actually, there is no upside and downside.
44:26
Speaker 1: What I want to learn, what I want the audience
44:28
Speaker 1: to learn from you is what you were thinking when
44:31
Speaker 1: you're confronted with an anchor who suddenly goes hostile. Now,
44:35
Speaker 1: that's objective. She suddenly went hostile on you, said, don't
44:38
Speaker 1: put words in my mouth. I played it a few
44:40
Speaker 1: times last week. It was so.
44:43
Speaker 1: But what was your immediate thinking? Because you've got to
44:45
Speaker 1: stay clear-headed when that happens.
44:48
Speaker 2: Well, it's tricky because on the one hand, you're trying
44:50
Speaker 2: to make a point, right?
44:52
Speaker 9: And on the other hand, I sort of feel like
44:54
Speaker 9: I'm taking off on this tangent where now I'm in
44:56
Speaker 9: an altercation or meeting with some amount of hostility about
45:00
Speaker 9: a point that I'm not even really looking to argue about, right?
45:03
Speaker 2: I mean, I just meant to say that the frame.
45:06
Speaker 9: In which we were talking about and introducing this segment
45:09
Speaker 9: was a little bit too charitable to Piker. Let's talk
45:11
Speaker 9: about what Piker actually said and meant, this extremist kind
45:16
Speaker 9: of Islamist pro-terror streamer who says 9-11.
45:20
Speaker 2: Is something that America deserved.
45:21
Speaker 9: I wanted the subject to be on this guy and
45:24
Speaker 9: on Abdul El-Sayed, who is basically running with Hassan Piker
45:28
Speaker 9: for this office, the U.S.
45:29
Speaker 2: Senate in Michigan, where I actually am right now.
45:32
Speaker 9: And it's just, it's a little bit of a distraction
45:34
Speaker 9: when you're getting caught up talking to an anchor about
45:38
Speaker 9: the program. It's really not where you want to be.
45:40
Speaker 9: You want to be talking about the candidate and this
45:43
Speaker 9: crazy influencer in question.
45:46
Speaker 1: So Jesse, I'm an old man, you're a young man.
45:47
Speaker 1: I've done 10,000 hits on TV. I've had my own
45:51
Speaker 1: show in three different places. I know how to handle
45:53
Speaker 1: this stuff. But do you go to media training school
45:57
Speaker 1: to how to do jujitsu when the host goes rogue? No.
46:02
Speaker 2: I think such things do exist.
46:04
Speaker 9: I've been the beneficiary of it once or twice at
46:07
Speaker 9: maybe the Manhattan Institute office. But the truth is I'm
46:11
Speaker 9: fairly new to this. I've just kind of stumbled into this.
46:14
Speaker 9: We've done some polling and focus groups that picked up
46:17
Speaker 9: steam at the Manhattan Institute. I oversee our public opinion work, so...
46:20
Speaker 9: I did a couple podcasts on that, and then a
46:23
Speaker 9: couple of these networks started inviting me on, and now
46:26
Speaker 9: I just kind of go when I'm invited and, hey,
46:29
Speaker 9: talk about whatever it is.
46:30
Speaker 2: They want to talk about. Sometimes I don't know up
46:31
Speaker 2: until right when I'm about to be on.
46:34
Speaker 1: Well, what I appreciate is you did not get flustered.
46:37
Speaker 1: Some people get flustered and they'll apologize and they'll back up. Instead,
46:41
Speaker 1: you didn't get into a fight. You avoided a confrontation,
46:44
Speaker 1: but you did make your point that the reframing which
46:47
Speaker 1: was extraordinary. Now let's go to Piker, because I'm going
46:50
Speaker 1: to play my comments from Fox earlier and talk to
46:52
Speaker 1: Lilacs about it after the break. Piker is a nut.
46:57
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a real anti-West, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic nut.
47:02
Speaker 1: And Al-Said has put his arms around him and can't
47:05
Speaker 1: get away from their, you know, glued together. Is there
47:09
Speaker 1: any way he can reverse that? Let's get to the point.
47:12
Speaker 1: Is there any way that you think, as a Michigander,
47:15
Speaker 1: El-Sayed gets away from Piker before November 30th.
47:19
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
47:20
Speaker 2: I think he could.
47:20
Speaker 9: The way to get around it would to say, I
47:23
Speaker 9: had this guy on my campaign trail. He stumped for me.
47:26
Speaker 9: I didn't realize the extent to which he was a nut.
47:28
Speaker 9: I became aware of more of his clips and streams.
47:31
Speaker 9: And the truth is, he's not me. He doesn't reflect
47:34
Speaker 9: my worldview. And I'm telling you so. But the point is,
47:37
Speaker 9: El-Sayed won't do that. Much like Zoran Mamdani in New
47:41
Speaker 9: York City, these are candidates who are willing to actually
47:45
Speaker 9: play with moderation on the edges, right? I wouldn't be
47:49
Speaker 9: surprised if Abdul El-Sayed, who is an extremely devout Muslim,
47:53
Speaker 9: for example, who, no way, whatever he says on the
47:55
Speaker 9: campaign trail, that's not a guy who believes in child
47:58
Speaker 9: sex changes, okay? He's saying it because he thinks he
48:00
Speaker 9: has to within the Democratic primary. He doesn't even drink
48:03
Speaker 9: alcohol because he's so devout in his commitment to Islam.
48:06
Speaker 2: His wife walks around with her hair covered, okay?
48:08
Speaker 9: So I wouldn't be shocked if he moderated in certain
48:11
Speaker 9: ways between now and November, okay? Let's say on pornography
48:14
Speaker 9: or on weed or on sports gambling. but you'll never
48:18
Speaker 9: hear him moderate an inch on the Middle East, okay?
48:21
Speaker 9: Because that is what he feels in his heart. Mike
48:24
Speaker 9: Rogers says it best. Abdul El-Sayed is running to represent Palestine.
48:28
Speaker 9: Mike Rogers is running to represent Michigan. It's not going
48:32
Speaker 9: to be something he moves away from, and that's why
48:34
Speaker 9: you're not going to hear Abdul El-Sayed do the very
48:37
Speaker 9: easy thing that he could do, which is simply say,
48:40
Speaker 9: I'm sorry I brought Hassan Piker on the campaign trail.
48:44
Speaker 2: You won't see him again. I condemn.
48:46
Speaker 9: his awful statements, especially that America deserved 9-11, because that's insane.
48:51
Speaker 2: But you won't hear him say it.
48:53
Speaker 1: He could do that. Now, let's assume, as I do,
48:56
Speaker 1: I think you're correct, he won't. Who's going to win
48:58
Speaker 1: in Michigan, and do you believe the polls that show
49:00
Speaker 1: it's a dead heat, or even El-Sayed a couple of
49:03
Speaker 1: points ahead, which I think is nuts? What do you
49:05
Speaker 1: think is going to happen there?
49:07
Speaker 9: So it's important to remember that El-Sayed was a massive
49:11
Speaker 9: underperformer relative to polling expectations. in this primary election. You
49:16
Speaker 9: saw a barrage of polls come out that said that
49:19
Speaker 9: he was going to blow Haley Stevens, the moderate Democrat
49:22
Speaker 9: who campaigned against him, out of the water.
49:25
Speaker 2: He did not do so. That result did not materialize.
49:28
Speaker 9: There are a lot of very excited El Saeed voters
49:31
Speaker 9: who were super eager to hop on the phone or
49:34
Speaker 9: hop on the online responses online. and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
49:37
Speaker 9: I'm going to vote for him. He's my guy. And
49:38
Speaker 9: the Stevens voters were a lot quieter. I think that
49:41
Speaker 9: phenomenon will play out again in November. And you can
49:44
Speaker 9: anticipate that El-Said is going to be an electoral underperformer
49:49
Speaker 9: come November. The Democrats have candidates in actually a lot
49:52
Speaker 9: of red states. James Tallarico in Texas, Josh Turek in Iowa.
49:57
Speaker 9: Those guys will do better than El-Said does.
49:59
Speaker 2: I don't know where it ends.
50:01
Speaker 1: Jesse Arm of the Manhattan Institute, where he's vice president.
50:03
Speaker 1: I appreciate your coming on. I look forward to having
50:05
Speaker 1: you on often. Don't stop doing anything just because it's confrontational.
50:10
Speaker 1: You're good at this, even if you are from Michigan. Jesse,
50:14
Speaker 1: thank you. Don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right back.
50:18
Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. It's Monday. That means Lilacs is in
50:21
Speaker 1: the house. JamesLilacs.substack.com. Humorist extraordinaire, regular guest on The Hugh
50:26
Speaker 1: Hewitt Show for 20 years or so. Lilacs, I want
50:29
Speaker 1: to ask you about Michigan because Minnesota starts with an M,
50:32
Speaker 1: so you must know everything about Michigan. I just did
50:36
Speaker 1: a segment with John Roberts earlier this afternoon about El-Sayed
50:40
Speaker 1: and Piker. I just talked two segments ago with Jesse
50:43
Speaker 1: Arm of the Manhattan Institute about El-Sayed and Piker and
50:46
Speaker 1: the CNN host that yelled at him for trying to
50:49
Speaker 1: reframe the question correctly into how crazy can you get.
50:53
Speaker 1: From your vantage point, high above Michigan and Minnesota, Do
50:57
Speaker 1: you think El-Said represents the coming or future of the
51:03
Speaker 1: Democratic Party or the past of the Democratic Party means losers?
51:09
Speaker 8: Well, the future, I think, because he ticks all the
51:12
Speaker 8: right boxes. He irritates the right, the people that the
51:14
Speaker 8: left wants to irritate. And he's got a broad base
51:17
Speaker 8: consensus among those who believe that America should be fundamentally altered.
51:21
Speaker 8: And I say that not as somebody whose dog just
51:23
Speaker 8: woke up right now and is angry at me for
51:25
Speaker 8: talking to you. But as somebody who's seeing the same
51:27
Speaker 8: thing play out here a little bit, but not so much,
51:30
Speaker 8: you know, it's state fair time here in Minnesota. So
51:33
Speaker 8: we've all sort of turned our brains off the politics, except,
51:37
Speaker 8: of course, when it comes to the CDART department, where
51:39
Speaker 8: controversy rages of.
51:41
Speaker 4: The sort that I don't expect to get National News
51:44
Speaker 4: in my time. Birch, no, quiet.
51:46
Speaker 8: Anyway, ask me the question again or something else state
51:48
Speaker 8: fair related while I placate the dog.
51:50
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
51:51
Speaker 1: Well, I've got to ask you, though, speaking of the dog,
51:53
Speaker 1: Birch is a new dog, and those who've been watching
51:57
Speaker 1: you on the Hugh Hewitt Show on the Salem News
51:59
Speaker 1: Channel for five years or listening to you for 20,
52:01
Speaker 1: they're used to Jasper. Jasper's gone to dog heaven. What
52:05
Speaker 1: is Birch's denomination? Is he a Presbyterian? Is he Episcopalian?
52:10
Speaker 1: What is he?
52:12
Speaker 4: He is a dogitarian, and you are so far behind
52:14
Speaker 4: the curve.
52:15
Speaker 8: Jasper, my great dog who lived 19 years, died a
52:17
Speaker 8: long time ago, was followed by Scout, who we had
52:19
Speaker 8: for four. I've had Birch since 2017. He is a
52:22
Speaker 8: senior dog living with me here, and it doesn't show it,
52:26
Speaker 8: but he's my sole companion here at the time. I'm surprised, however,
52:29
Speaker 8: that you are not rising to the bait of talking
52:31
Speaker 8: about the Minnesota State Fair.
52:32
Speaker 4: Infinitely more interesting.
52:33
Speaker 1: Than Michigan College.
52:34
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm going to.
52:35
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask if you've been yet, and if so,
52:37
Speaker 1: was Peggy Flanagan at the Al Franken corner? Because what
52:41
Speaker 1: I noticed in the many years I went, either Norm
52:44
Speaker 1: Coleman or Al Franken would plot themselves right at the
52:47
Speaker 1: front corner. You came through the main gate, corner top left,
52:51
Speaker 1: there was Al Franken, corner top right was Norm Coleman.
52:54
Speaker 1: Where is Peggy Flanagan?
52:57
Speaker 8: I don't know, but corner top right, if I remember correctly,
53:00
Speaker 8: is the AFL-CIO booth.
53:02
Speaker 4: The Republicans are down that way by the water wheel
53:04
Speaker 4: and the cookies. I haven't been yet. I'm not sure
53:06
Speaker 4: I'm going to go.
53:07
Speaker 8: It's steamy. It's 85 degrees. It's absolutely miserable here. The
53:10
Speaker 8: bus lines are long. And from what I'm hearing, political
53:13
Speaker 8: controversy is tearing up the place.
53:15
Speaker 4: There was a.
53:16
Speaker 1: No. Look at your dog's tail. Your dog's tail looks
53:20
Speaker 1: like a stopwatch. It's going around and around and around.
53:24
Speaker 11: I like being liked by dogs. I think that being
53:27
Speaker 11: liked by dogs is a good thing. It's the sound
53:29
Speaker 11: of my voice. The dog heard me, and the dog's
53:32
Speaker 11: tail immediately went into propeller mode.
53:35
Speaker 1: And propeller mode is a good thing.
53:38
Speaker 12: It's the most astonishing bit of Pavlovian training I've ever seen.
53:41
Speaker 12: The minute I sit down and start talking, he activates
53:43
Speaker 12: from the deepest of coma slumbers and demands that I
53:46
Speaker 12: give him something. And every time it works, we're going
53:49
Speaker 12: to have to load him up with phenobarbital and transit.
53:52
Speaker 1: Maybe he just likes my voice, Lilacs. Did you see that?
53:58
Speaker 4: He can't hear your voice. You're on headphones.
54:00
Speaker 8: So the state fair has crop art every year, and
54:03
Speaker 8: it gets increasingly political from year to year.
54:06
Speaker 4: Even though the sort of.
54:06
Speaker 8: State as a whole right now probably isn't all that
54:09
Speaker 8: confused about politics and you're going to have a grand
54:11
Speaker 8: on your throat if you go to the seat are
54:13
Speaker 8: so somebody posted up eighty six forty seven that's all
54:17
Speaker 8: and it's been taken down now because apparently she got
54:19
Speaker 8: death threats right below it is falchi lied that's all
54:23
Speaker 8: it says in cedar is falchi live there is something saying.
54:27
Speaker 4: Ice out uh.
54:29
Speaker 8: fair goers demand ice out and there is one protesting
54:32
Speaker 8: water usage by data centers So something that was previously
54:36
Speaker 8: a picture of Sammy Davis Jr. rendered at all the
54:39
Speaker 8: seeds of the state has now been driven down to
54:41
Speaker 8: the miseries of politics by people who insist that absolutely
54:45
Speaker 8: everything has to have a political message.
54:47
Speaker 1: But are the Lutherans still there with the Lutheran chapel
54:50
Speaker 1: on Main Street? I'm sure the chocolate chips and the
54:53
Speaker 1: french fries are still there.
54:56
Speaker 8: One of the shot the difference was that a massive
54:58
Speaker 8: controversy this year because supposedly they change suppliers and people
55:01
Speaker 8: are saying this is just the way of this is
55:03
Speaker 8: the way of the world it used to be taters
55:05
Speaker 8: from big lake and now they're getting them from Colorado
55:08
Speaker 8: get a rope it was like why can't we have
55:11
Speaker 8: our fare with our potatoes but turns out that they
55:14
Speaker 8: came back to a couple days later had to do
55:16
Speaker 8: with the average size of the Minnesota tater and what
55:18
Speaker 8: not People are complaining the veggie fries aren't the same.
55:21
Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, the green pepper booth was destroyed. Life
55:24
Speaker 4: is never good.
55:25
Speaker 8: Every year is the same as the last. Every year
55:27
Speaker 8: is an incremental bit of difference. And every year you
55:30
Speaker 8: go out there and sweat and consume that bag of
55:33
Speaker 8: mini donuts with a combination of lust and regret, and
55:35
Speaker 8: you stagger away from it full of carbs and starch
55:38
Speaker 8: and having loved the state of Minnesota all over again.
55:41
Speaker 1: But, Lyle, we have one abiding memory, you and I, one,
55:45
Speaker 1: of the Minnesota State Fair. Do you remember what I'm
55:47
Speaker 1: talking about?
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Speaker 8: When we almost ended up actually in Oz, because a
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Speaker 8: storm of such ferocity and immediate nearly took the booth
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Speaker 8: away and dumped us on Wicked Witch somewhere.
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Speaker 4: You know, it would have been great after that.
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Speaker 8: If I'd known that storm was coming, I would have
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Speaker 8: hired a lot of little people my size, actually, to
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Speaker 8: come out after it was done and dance around and
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Speaker 8: proclaim you the new ruler of the state fair.
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Speaker 4: But, you know, I didn't know it was coming, so.
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Speaker 1: It wiped everyone off of the street. It was the
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Speaker 1: only time it's ever been empty. I want to end
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Speaker 1: with El Saeed, though. Do you think he comes back
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Speaker 1: and is within three points of Mike Rogers by the
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Speaker 1: end of this thing, or is he done?
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I honestly don't.
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Speaker 8: It has to do with what people at the last
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Speaker 8: moment going in, whether or not they're going to put
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Speaker 8: something aside to do this, to vote, to say the
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Speaker 8: absolute obvious, or whether they regard this as a step
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Speaker 8: towards a sort of politician that they're not going to
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Speaker 8: want to get in bed with, because after they have power,
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Speaker 8: then all of a sudden the people who were the
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Speaker 8: useful idiots are up against the wall and things start
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Speaker 8: to change again. So no, less DSA, less DSA, out, out.
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Speaker 8: And if the Democrats make that decision, then... The republic
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Speaker 8: has a choice.
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Speaker 1: Back to the fair. Michelle Tafoya told me she will
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Speaker 1: be there. Will you go over and chat with her
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Speaker 1: and send us a picture for next week's show?
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Speaker 4: If I'm there, I certainly will.
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Speaker 8: The GOP booth isn't always the most easily, it's not thronged.
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Speaker 4: Shall we say, at the state fair.
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Speaker 8: So you generally can get in relatively quickly, faster than
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Speaker 8: you could.
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Speaker 4: To get a corn dog.
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Speaker 1: But she'll be on the Norm Coleman-Tim Pawlenty corner. They
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Speaker 1: don't get near there. Finally, since NPR's funding has been
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Speaker 1: cut off, does NPR still pay the same rent for
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Speaker 1: the best place in the fair?
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure.
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Speaker 8: It's right by the Fresh French Fries, which, of course,
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Speaker 8: are now back to Minnesota Fries. It's a great place.
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Speaker 8: It's by the Haunted House as well. You don't really
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Speaker 8: mistake one for the other. But it's down from the barn.
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Speaker 8: So sometimes the wafting of the barn perfume can make
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Speaker 8: it all the way to NPR.
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Speaker 4: And you might confuse it for some of the politics
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Speaker 4: of some of the hosts.
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Speaker 1: Well, please greet the Butter Princess for me. I miss it.
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Speaker 1: But Jay Larson is now 50 years old. And we
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Speaker 1: don't go anymore because he's walking with a walker. If
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Speaker 1: Jay Larson was alive, this wouldn't have happened. Lilacs, good
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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Stay tuned, America.