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Episode 370: Lessons from the Olympics · The Growth Project

• 0:00
  The man in the arena fits so well right here of. Although, you didn't get on that podium, you were in the arena and you were doing something that almost every other human in the world wasn't doing.
• 0:15
  And you've already won, in a sense.
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  Welcome to the Growth Project, a podcast brought to you by amylose doctor Drew Brannon, joined by Doctor Gabby Caveat as, Gabby, it is good to be talking about the Olympics at least one more time, because then we have to wait a long time before we can do it again, right here again, Winter Olympics.
• 0:36
  So we're going to wrap up the recently concluded Winter Olympics, knowing that it's going to be a few years where we can talk Olympics again. So we feel going to get this one in. And, you know, it's kind of cool to think about when we did this a couple weeks ago, I guess we were talking about the fact that, like, the Olympics always delivers, always delivers.
• 0:56
  So now here we are on the other side of it, and it exactly did exactly what we said it would do. Right.
• 1:01
  confessions here. How much tuning in to the Olympics did you actually do?
• 1:06
  Not as much as I wish I had it. Okay. Good answer, good answer. Which events did you actually see?
• 1:13
  I saw some speed skating events.
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  I watched some of the figure skating events.
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  the event with. I'm going get this, but,
• 1:21
  help me remember them. They have the curling. Is it curling? Yes. So curling. Curling. Oh, curling. Which I've never watched curling before, and it was fascinating. It's absolutely fascinating. Yes.
• 1:37
  yeah, that was pretty much my, my snippet of the.
• 1:40
  Okay, well, you saw some good stuff and probably saw plenty of highlights as well that made you feel like you were actually watching the events.
• 1:47
  would say I saw all of those, saw some bobsledding, which is always fun, a little bit of hockey. Although I did not see the gold medal game that we're going to get into and in full, but I certainly saw the highlights.
• 2:00
  And then, you know, it just so happened, that when I was cutting on the Olympics, saw some biathlon more than once. Are you familiar with biathlon? Okay. Well, then, before we get to anything else here, we gotta get this straight. So this is the combination of cross-country skiing and shooting. I saw some clips of this actually on social media, and I was fascinated.
• 2:25
  Yeah, it is like, I don't I'd love to know the history of how those two came together, but but it's a fascinating event to watch. And yeah. And just as we get into it today, you know, why are we talking about the Olympics again? And I think, you know, as people who work really, really closely in the realm of all things high performance, that's exactly, exactly what the Olympics are.
• 2:47
  This is a multi-week competition of the people that are the best in the world at what they do, where the stakes are incredibly high. And these folks have spent multiple years investing their life in the pursuit of a dream. And they've they've worked, they've made sacrifices, that we'll never know. And it all comes down to, a series of days in a very few number of opportunities, finite number of opportunities to fulfill a dream.
• 3:14
  So from us, those of us that work in the realm of psychology, it's a it's a fascinating, sandbox to pay attention. And as you know, you can see so many facets of the work that we do come to life and areas where people just aren't really paying much attention to how the mental side impacts these performances. And then you get this massive spotlight on the Olympics, and so much comes to light and, through what we see, but also what we hear the athletes talk about and their interviews and, yeah, it's a it's a great, great experience every few years to be able to reflect on and, and be involved with.
• 3:50
  Right. So just, you know, let's try to put it in. This will not do it justice at all. So I don't want to pretend like it is, but a just a slight attempt to put this into context. And I'll use the example of like, let's imagine you work in the world of sales and, you know, inevitably, what do you must do?
• 4:09
  What must you do to be successful in sales? You have to go conduct meetings and try to sell your product or your service, whatever it might be. And without those meetings where you're sitting across from a customer or whomever, it might be, you really. I mean, you can't do your job. And so I think for a lot of people that work in that realm, there's some degree of stress, anxiety that associate it so associated with those meetings.
• 4:32
  Imagine a world where you had one meeting every four years. Yeah. And that's all you get. Yeah. You're right. And so and there would be some other like meeting type things, other types of competition. But it's really about that. It's really about that meeting. And you think about the stress that you would feel and the pressure you would feel and the way you would, you know, right or wrong, good or bad, the way you would really measure yourself off of how it went and how it would stick with you for a very, very long time.
• 5:08
  Whether it be a highlight of like celebration or a really, really painful memory. So that's why the Olympics are so significant. So with that, what are some some highlights, like what are a couple things you want to touch on and then kind of break down? Gary. Yeah. Well I think we we start with the most recent that seems to be currently blowing up in the media, which is team USA, both men's and women's hockey.
• 5:35
  Incredible gold. Yeah. Incredible. And, you know, the if for our listeners, if you're not aware, although the US does dominate the world in a number of sports, hockey has never been one of those.
• 5:50
  But it seems like we might be changing the narrative. Maybe so. So, Gabby, give us give us a little history on. Let's start with the men's side. Like, why was that such a significant victory yesterday? Yeah, it was so significant because the last USA gold medal in hockey was in 1980. You heard that correctly, 1981. Is that over 40 years ago?
• 6:10
  That's. Yes, a long time ago. Years ago, it was, you know, done by the the Miracle on Ice team and kind of been this, this, legacy, if you will, that we've been trying to get back to,
• 6:24
  Canada has kind of dominated, the world of hockey. Yep. And so it's then this pursuit, our U.S. men's hockey team to try to redeem, you know, our our legacy and our image within that realm.
• 6:40
  And they did it this year, and they went in there, and that's the the underdogs.
• 6:45
  I didn't see it firsthand, but I've seen the highlights and recaps and what a game. Put on by the other team and and Canada's team. But ultimately, yeah, we were able to to redeem that gold.
• 6:59
  Right? Yeah. The if you haven't seen the clip of that goal in overtime, you you need to go watch that. I got chills the first time I saw it. And then seeing the celebration and thinking about the magnitude of that moment and, you know, there's, there's more than one, but there's one in particular kind of psychological, I think, component of this that I want to talk about here for a moment.
• 7:19
  And that is I'm always very curious about the relationship that people have between evidence and confidence. And, you know, in a perfect world, we would generate lots of our confidence from easily accessible recent history type evidence. Right. Oh, I just did this about a week or so ago. How do I know that I can do it today? And how, why and how can I be confident in my ability to deliver today?
• 7:46
  Well, I just did it a week ago, and it's not that difficult to have confidence when you have recent history type evidence. So then let's let's take that back to what you just said about the US in going into these games. Where were they drawn their confidence from, you know, like you tell me. So I know you didn't, you know personal conversations here.
• 8:05
  But you know, you'd be the you'd be the performance consultant here for a moment. And like, where do you think they drew confidence that they could go get this done. Yeah. Well, it's you know, it's kind of the the opposite of what you're speaking of here is that so long had passed since there was that belief in like, oh, we can do this.
• 8:21
  And now it's like I'm confident somewhere else. Yeah. Another source. And, from everything I've seen, this, this team of players were very bonded. They. Yes, trusted each other. They knew that they all came from great playing histories and trusted their abilities. And so I think that the culture they formed on that team became their confidence, as opposed to trusting in each other.
• 8:50
  Yeah, yeah. And so you think about it this way, obviously, because the U.S. had not won a gold in hockey since 1980, none of the former gold winner, gold medal winners were playing on this team. Pretty, pretty confident their time had come and gone. So there was not a single guy on this team who could step on that ice and say, I've done this before, right?
• 9:10
  However, any first that any of us ever accomplishes in life requires us to transfer some confidence. And now there's a huge difference between being in a place where, hey, I know I have what it takes to get it. Like I believe I can do this compared to I've seen myself do this before, but you'll never see yourself do anything if you don't.
• 9:33
  First believe that you have what it takes to accomplish whatever the goal might be. And I agree with you. I think they had, from what I could tell, and what I read about and saw high, high degrees of chemistry within the team. And let's see, these guys are pros, right? So they play in the NHL. They play at the highest level.
• 9:47
  These are the same people they're playing against night in and night out in the NHL. So certainly you've got to be able to kind of take a step back and realize, okay, although their jersey says Canada and mine says USA, I do this all the time. So how do you find generalizability in your performance domain that says, okay, I'm familiar with this.
• 10:06
  This is no different from what we've done before. We no were meant for this. Like we know we have what it takes. I think there's probably a lot of what they had to do. Yeah, I agree, I think a lot of it came down to, like you said, kind of that belief, but also the trust among the team and then the preparation behind it and really, you know, trusting in their preparation.
• 10:27
  And the process is out there on the ice. And, and yeah, it's, it's a different type of confidence going in there than in pulling from past experiences. It is, it is. And I'll tell you, Gabby, another thing I know these guys had going for them is, one of the most powerful words that I think exists in the English language.
• 10:47
  And that's the word enough. You know, I don't know if they I have no clue if this became any type of rally cry for them, but I can promise you, they thought about it of the fact that, like, hey, this had gone on long enough. The the gap between the US winning gold in 1980 and US winning gold in 2012 like it had gone on plenty long enough.
• 11:09
  We talked about this part. You're not going to like this part of the discussion. We talked about this. We be in Georgia before the SEC Championship game this year against your alma mater, the Alabama Crimson Tide, and we didn't have a single guy on our roster who had beaten Alabama before. Yeah. And we just talked about the fact, you know, we had never beaten Alabama in SE championship game, ever.
• 11:29
  We had never done that. So, we just talked about the fact that like, this had gone on long enough, we had waited long enough, we had put up with long, we had put up with more than enough. And I got to think that inside that locker room, that was a sentiment as well. Yeah, yeah. It's time. Had to make a change to shake up the narrative.
• 11:48
  Change the narrative. Right. And that's a whole nother BS. Narratives are so powerful. What you are telling yourself, the story you're telling yourself is so powerful. So if they had gone in there with the story of, well, we haven't been gold since 1980. Yeah, that's that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Canada is just this powerhouse and they're never going to knock them off that pedestal.
• 12:11
  And that mentality would have likely produced a totally different outcome for sure. It's a good reminder to to your point there that, you know brands don't win games. Players do. And the brand of Canadian hockey far superior to the brand of U.S. hockey, it's their sport. And that's what people refer to it as. And, you know, if it was a matter of logos and brands and history being the deciding factor of the outcomes in competitions, and there's no need to even fly over to Italy.
• 12:39
  And so I think it's a great example to. Yeah, of just how, you know, players win games, not brands. Okay. So the men did their thing in a pretty dramatic fashion. So did the women, although it wasn't quite like, hey, they we thought they were going to get it done. Right. So talk about that. Yeah. Well you know I thought they were going to get it done.
• 12:55
  Is, is a you know hopefully that's what we were all going in there thinking, you know they didn't last Olympics. They won the silver. So they were a strong contenders going into this year's Olympics for sure. I think the hope was always there like, hey, this is the year. You know, silver was with good, but we're coming back.
• 13:15
  We want more, right? They were so close. And you know, we'll get into that. And then the second part of the podcast. But I think that very they came in, they knew they were talented. They knew they could get there. Now it's just a matter of finishing saying it all the way through. And they did and off of the gold as well.
• 13:32
  And, I think that that's, that's huge for, for hockey, USA hockey to bring that home. Both gold medals there. It's incredible. We're a hockey country as face it you know although rather than our history of being, you know, baseball or football, it's really maybe we're just more becoming more of a hockey country equals. We shall see. So, Gabby, let's talk about some of the pressure that they very well could have experienced because, as you said, going back to the prior Olympics 2022, they went silver.
• 14:03
  Great accomplishment. And it's natural then to walk away from a second place finish and feel at least a little bit of like, okay, we need to take the next step, right? Like we should take the next step. We should be able to get over the hump like that type of stuff. So like what some of the burden that that becomes, you know, heavy for the person who's thinking those types of thoughts of like, man, we should take the next step.
• 14:32
  We need to get over the hump. What does that do to us? Well, I think it goes back to how you have athletes on this team who have been there. They have, you know, been on that podium. And gotten a silver medal. They come back with not only this mentality of, oh, I should I should come back and get that gold this year.
• 14:53
  I should be one spot higher. And that's the pressure of expectations. That's the pressure of I need to to do better than I previously did. Yeah. And different from the men. It's like, this is okay. We know we have the skill. We've been here before. But we didn't get it last time. And now, you know, we've got gotta gotta show up differently, right?
• 15:21
  How do you avoid complacency or showing up? And getting that silver again and leaving. Still wanting more. Yeah. Yeah. And how do you continue to train and ultimately show up in Milan to compete and not have this mentality of like, man, we really need to to do it this time because it's the moment you shift into that gear and allow your thoughts to kind of go in that direction of like, what I need to do or what I should do.
• 15:47
  You've just created some of your own interference. You have more than likely kind of like elevated your heart rate, put your mind into a place that's not real helpful for you, and you've you've added to what's already in place as far as the challenge goes. So it's not easy to win a gold medal. I mean, ask me how many I've won in my career right?
• 16:07
  None yet. Okay. None today, none to date. And I feel like with each passing day, my window is probably closing a little more and more. But I can tell you, having worked with a ton of people, at high levels and some former Olympians, like, the moment you add to the challenge, you really put yourself in a position of weakness because it's extremely hard to get it done, even if you're thinking all the right things.
• 16:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's very unique. You're given all the right things. The moment you switch, you're thinking to, you know, what should I be doing? What do I need to do? It becomes less about the process. It becomes less about your skills and trusting that you can go out there and just perform and compete. And it becomes about all of the expectations, right?
• 16:54
  So, you know, it's there there are challenges that come along with both of these. You know, I think on the men's side, they're a big underdog. They get to the finals. And then if you're not careful as you get to that gold medal game, you get a little bit overwhelmed with like, man, we better not squander this opportunity.
• 17:11
  We better not screw this up. Those are common thoughts that can creep in. And then on the women's side, we're in the gold medal game of like, remember, you know, like we we really need to take the next step. Like we should get it done this time. We came up short last time. This is our time. And it's like yeah, be careful with that.
• 17:26
  Because really none of those thoughts are productive
• 17:30
  But I think, bottom line, hey, it feels great to see the US win the gold medal in both men's and women's hockey,
• 17:38
  So, so let's let's pivot a little bit here, Gabby. And we want to we're keeping on this theme of the Olympics, but let's go in kind of this direction of where we just were off talking about kind of the medal count, how everything went.
• 17:49
  You know, there were 116 medal events that occurred. Don't ask me to name them all. But what that means then is you had 116 examples of someone finishing in fourth place. Yeah. Which means what? What's the significance of finishing fourth inside you? You did not get on that podium just by a hair. You not only did you, you know, lose, if you will, but you lost so marginally that it was.
• 18:23
  You were so close. You consider like, seventh, eighth place finish compared to a fourth year. You were right there. Yeah. And that's, that's things like that. Right. And so, like, let's break down a little bit and think about the differences between certain discrepancies in the Olympics. Now, what I'm sure is an extremely heartbreaking discrepancy to experience is to be second.
• 18:49
  Right? It's like, man, I was I was one, you know, place away from being the best in the world at something, heartbreaking. I'm sure, you know, and there's research on this. Right. And so then even. But what's the research say about the silver medals versus the bronze medalists? So the bronze medalist are oftentimes happier than silver medalist for the exact reason that you're explaining that when you get a medal in general, that should be outstanding.
• 19:20
  You were one of the top athletes in the world, right. And you're doing top three, as a bronze. You're like, okay, great. I may top three silver that you're you're excited because you got a medal. So you're you got second place. But human minds can't you? I mean, that is haunting. Yeah. You think I was one away.
• 19:44
  Yeah. And the data on this is very clear. And it's it's going to be a little challenging to articulate this over an audio clip without be able to see the visual, but they've done long term health outcome studies on Olympians. What we see in that data is that, gold medal and in bronze medal winners, if you if you track them over the long haul, they live longer and they experience better overall health outcomes, particularly as they age and get into those know their 60s and come an age where we begin to really deteriorate physically, mentally, emotionally and have a lot of health problems, which is normal, silver medalists, unfortunately, they tend to trend
• 20:23
  very much in line with the general population, which is a is a significant, significant finding because you know that what you would expect from Olympic athletes, from a health outcome standpoint would be pretty different in the general population. I mean, keep in mind, who is the general population? Everybody else, people who smoke cigarets for 30, 40 years, people who are obese, people who have all kinds of medical problems, some of which they kind of created for themselves.
• 20:48
  But to think that over the long haul, silver medalists outcomes aren't better than the general population. And so, of course, people then begin to ask, well, why in the world is that? And most of the working theories all point back to the degree of disappointment and heartache and depression and just the letdown in their mind of being, as they say, right?
• 21:14
  Kind of like one step away from it. Wholesome. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense, but that is a shocking finding that it's sad. Yeah. You know, why are the gold medals and the bronze medals, you know, better off happier because because if I'm the gold, one's pretty obvious, right? I just I'm the best in the world. And the bronze medalist are just so happy to be on the podium.
• 21:37
  Right. Because they're one step away from the people we're about to talk about who's in fourth. So you think about the discrepancy of if I finish in fourth, what does that mean? It means if I stick around for the ceremony of some type, there are three people on a podium. Everyone's paying attention to them. They're on TV, they're playing the the winners national anthem.
• 22:06
  There's a medal around there. It's just such a place of honor. Right. And if I finish in fourth, I might have already left. Right? You're not. You're not on the screen. A little picture of you with, you know, where you place in the lineup. Maybe at best, at best. No one knows my name. No one's going to be talking about me for in the days and months and weeks and years.
• 22:35
  You know, that are ahead. It's just a place of complete anonymity, oftentimes. Yeah. So what do we do with that? What are those people, Gabby? I mean, for for those men and those women who, despite their efforts and sacrifice and work, find themselves in that spot? What are some of the the things that pop up in the the considerations that must be made for these folks?
• 23:01
  Yeah. Well, you know, I think the first thing is we always talk about significance, the outcome and how that's oftentimes tied to our identity, especially in sports. Is as an elite athlete, an Olympian, your oftentimes your identity is who you are in sport. Yep yep yep. You wouldn't have been to this level without it. So then one of the challenges that these individuals encounter as well, I got fourth.
• 23:33
  I'm a nobody in my sport now. You know, and it becomes their identity. And, that's a challenge that they have to overcome, learning to to not tie that outcome to who they are, or let it define them. And like you said, if you spent four years preparing for this to then just miss by tenths of a second or a 10th of, or 100th, 100th.
• 23:59
  Yeah. I mean, it's that's hard. Oh, my gosh, it's crushing. And, look, I have worked with Olympic athletes in the past. Some of what you won medals, some of what you did win anything. And, you know, you'll hear language. And we talk about it not just in sports, but really in many ways. And life will say things like this, hey, your sport or your job or whatever it is, it isn't who you are, it's what you do.
• 24:25
  All right. Now, do I believe in that philosophically? Of course I do. Of course I do. Here's where it gets tough. Here's the tension for me. If you're an Olympic level athlete and you spend the better part of four years training six, seven, eight, nine hours a day, you dedicate your entire life to this. You move away from your family for this.
• 24:47
  We can sit here all day long and say, it's not who you are, it's what you do. The reality is, it's also who you are. I mean, it just is. And that's why when it doesn't go your way. And if it's this close to your point, Gabby finding a way to not allow your identity to be completely overwhelmed, which is disappointment, is extremely hard,
• 25:11
  hard.
• 25:12
  And and then, you know, we also see this aspect of,
• 25:20
  Athletes can sometimes lose sight of the value in the process when they come that close, but come up short. Yeah. For sure. You've put in all this work all this time, these years, like you said, the sacrifices you've made, and then you're faced with falling short. Now, a decision of, do I dedicate another four years of my life to this and try again?
• 25:50
  The process didn't work this time, and I put my everything into it. Yeah. So you almost lose faith in your process? Which is so dangerous because sometimes the reason you didn't win is because they're just better than you. Yeah, it's nothing to do with your process. Nothing do with your process. Yeah. Sometimes you didn't win because the ball didn't bounce your way.
• 26:09
  The, you know, the wind kicked up at the wrong time. You name it. It's so many uncontrollable. Yeah, yeah. And then let's, let's think about this too, because, and here's one of the, there's a lot of unfortunate components to this, this reality and even in this conversation. But, people who finish fourth are almost always more unhappy than those who finish eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th.
• 26:38
  Talk about that a little bit.
• 26:39
  it's kind of what we were saying is you come so close and the disappointment becomes that much greater. Yeah. There's this what we call counterfactual thinking that occurs where you become hyper focused on if I had just if, if I could just perfected that one moment, maybe I would have been there.
• 26:59
  Yeah. Because you. What? You are at that line. You were. You can touch it. You can feel it. You came so close. So you just start going in your mind as to to what was the one misstep I made that prevented me. Yeah. We talked about the identity threat and how that that plays in here, but something I think also is the invisible achievement.
• 27:21
  Yeah. You become invisible about your performance. Right? It may have been outstanding. Just so happens that three other people were also outstanding and marginally better. Yeah, yeah. And like think about the irony of this too, because in this is what why the Olympics are such an outlier and an anomaly in many respects. If whatever you do in life, if there was like a documented way to establish that you were the fourth best in the world at whatever it is you do, right?
• 27:55
  Do you know how most people would celebrate that? Right? I mean, it would. It's like, hey, we have this whole formal process we go through, and at the end we've decided that you're the fourth best in the world. Insert whatever, right? In almost every other example in the world, people would be ecstatic, right? They'd be thrilled to be the fourth best heart surgeon, the fourth best, you know, high school math teacher, whatever it is, they would be on cloud nine.
• 28:21
  But in this example, they're devastated. Yeah. And unfortunately, we just lose sight of the fact that what they've accomplished because of the context that it's in feels like a complete loss, a complete a complete miss when reality, it's an incredible achievement. Yeah. And that's what happens when you incorporate these types of rewards into it. Right? When these three individuals get that.
• 28:47
  Yeah, right. Get the recognition. But then to your point, like if you were top ten, anything in anything. Yeah. I mean that's. Yes. Like amazing. Right.
• 29:00
  But when you get it reduced to just the top three, right? I mean, I had a conversation just last week with a guy, a gentleman who was top ten sale, a top ten salesperson in his company for 2025.
• 29:15
  And he was he couldn't be happier. Yeah. And this is one company in one industry in one country in the world. And he could not have been happier. Right. But the thing goes there where I'm sure that whoever was the second best salesperson, well, he was he wasn't that he wasn't the best. Yeah. He was he was just top ten.
• 29:36
  Yeah. Right. And he's just that happy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just it's it's unfortunate that it shakes out this way. It's a really tough place to be for these athletes. So, Gabby, let's let's hit this too. On this topic, how do you move forward? How do these athletes move forward? Yeah, well, there's a process here where you have to have done with great it you have to acknowledge the disappointment and don't try to bury it or push it away.
• 30:03
  An acknowledgment is it's going to be the first step here and moving past it and gaining some resilience. Then what we talked about really being of a separate yourself from the outcome of it, just because you placed fourth does not mean you were not one of the best. We still are. Right? Then reflect, gain some lessons, you know, learn from the individuals ahead of you and that line up.
• 30:31
  You know what? What did they do better? What can I do better? Four years from now if I choose to come back. And, and we always talk about, you know, learning from, from mistakes or learning from failures and, fourth place is not a failure. But to these, these athletes, it feels like it. Yeah, it definitely does.
• 30:51
  So yeah learning from from the failure and then and then recommit to the process. Like you said, it's not that your process failed. You. There are so many other factors at play here. So continue with your process if you still want to try again. And four more years. Three commit. It takes just as much effort and work as it did leading up to this one to come back and do even better.
• 31:13
  So it's, I think that that's really the process is acknowledge acknowledge the disappointment. Separate yourself from the outcome, learn and grow from it. Yeah. And in the midst of all that, I agree with all those points. Be able to see the achievement. Yeah. Be able to see the many, many, many things you did right to be in that position.
• 31:38
  And then I always go back to I'm sure many of our listeners are familiar with the great, man in the arena,
• 31:45
  The man in the arena fits so well right here of. Although, you didn't get on that podium, you were in the arena and you were doing something that almost every other human in the world wasn't doing.
• 32:00
  And you've already won, in a sense.
• 32:02
  So I know that might feel like, you know, a softening in a sense of, of the challenge. And that's not what that is at all. It's just a healthy recognition of what's really at play there and the difficulty involved in what we're talking about, and the fact that you, frankly, just won't make it if you're not able to go back and assess what was really happening there and celebrate the opportunity, celebrate the effort, the fight, all of that stuff, you've got to be able to do that as a performer or else you just won't make it.
• 32:33
  Yeah, it's a great addition there because you do have to recognize how great you are to come. I made it to the Olympics at all. Yep. Made it to that arena that is in and of itself an accomplishment. Yep. It also really presses on our internal and personal notions and definitions of success. And what does that word mean to you.
• 32:54
  We've talked about that many many times on the growth project, but it's something that all of us need to have a great feel for and frankly, have it written down somewhere of like, what is my definition of success? And I've got to be able to step to the starting line day in and day out, whatever that might be for me in my life, and know what success means and looks like and if I can, if I really just constrain it to I gotta end up on the podium, it's too it's too tough, right?
• 33:21
  It's too it's too narrow. It's too unfair to, the challenge that I'm that I've signed up for. Yeah. Okay. So I know we need to kind of move to a close here. Gabby, closing thoughts from you on the kind of the Olympics. And as we want it down, it's going to be two years where it comes up again.
• 33:37
  So get it. Get it while you can. Now, I, I just think that it's it's always amazing to see what what these athletes do. At the Olympics and, and the mentality is they, they show up with the mindset and we can just learn so much from them, and all of our lives. And so if you haven't watched any of it, I encourage you to think about what some of the clips that we've referenced, because these athletes are impressive.
• 34:04
  Go watch some of the fourth place, contenders and, and compete and, and see how they did, because you will be just as impressed. And hey, it's never too early to start hyping up LA Summer Olympics, I think. I think we talked about that in our first, time we start breaking a little bit on a couple weeks ago of we're both more summer people, although the winter delivered.
• 34:27
  Hey, it was awesome. But to think that the Summer Olympics in 28, I guess are going to be on American soil is going to be amazing. Yeah, I am excited for it. I think it's going to really bring a lot of Americans into to the world of the Olympics that maybe aren't as interesting as they have. Yeah, I would agree.
• 34:50
  It'll be it'll be fascinating to see how that plays out. But yeah, and it will bring even more traffic to LA if that's possible. If that's another possible. Awesome. Well, thank you for tuning in. We always, appreciate the opportunity to spend time with our listeners and hopefully add value and resources to your life. Always welcome your feedback through both Spotify and Apple Podcast iTunes.
• 35:14
  Looking forward to our next conversation here real soon. Take care. Yeah.