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Witness of Change · Pst T.D Jakes -The POTTER'S HOUSE

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Speaker 1: Coming up on the Potter's Tech.
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Speaker 2: But there's a process for promotion that requires that you
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Speaker 2: need a witness that authenticates it's time for a switch
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Speaker 2: in your life. Don't let restlessness be your witness. Come on.
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Speaker 2: Because if you start leaving stuff because you're restless, you're
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Speaker 2: going to leave your kids, your wife, your job, your church.
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Speaker 3: You can't be led by feelings. You need a witness.
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Speaker 2: Greetings to you in the name of Jesus Christ, our King.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to share the Lord with you and
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Speaker 2: to celebrate the new year and the holidays and all
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Speaker 2: of the festivities that God has done for us. We
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Speaker 2: are blessed. We are blessed to be here. I hope
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Speaker 2: you appreciate it as I do. I want to share
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Speaker 2: a word with you, though, that I believe will really
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Speaker 2: bless your life. The message is called The Witness of Change.
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Speaker 2: The Witness of Change. Take a It won't be before
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Speaker 2: you long, but I'm going to just point out some things.
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Speaker 2: Because you need, every change needs its own witness.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like they're gatekeepers that take you from one
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Speaker 2: dominion to the next. In the beginning was the Word,
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Speaker 2: and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Speaker 2: The same was in the beginning with God. All things
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Speaker 2: were made by him and without him was not anything
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Speaker 2: made that was made. In him was life. The life
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Speaker 2: was the light of men. The light shined in darkness
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Speaker 2: and the darkness comprehended it not. Verse 6, there was
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Speaker 2: a man sent from God whose name was John. The
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Speaker 2: same came for a witness to bear witness of the
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Speaker 2: light that all.
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Speaker 3: Men through him might believe.
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Speaker 2: Let's go a little further. He was not that light,
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Speaker 2: but was sent to bear witness of that light. I
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Speaker 2: want to talk about the witness of change. In the
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Speaker 2: book of Acts, it talks about all that Jesus began
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Speaker 2: both to do and to teach beginning from the baptism
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Speaker 2: of John. It started, it all started at the baptism
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Speaker 2: of John, but the relationship started before that, you know.
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Speaker 2: The relationship is really a generational relationship that goes back
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Speaker 2: to Jesus' mother and John's mother. John's mother being Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: and Jesus' mother being Mary. And both of them being
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Speaker 2: pregnant at the same time. Both of them by men
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Speaker 2: who didn't understand the pregnancy. Both of them were being
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Speaker 2: talked about at the same time. Both of them had
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Speaker 2: miraculous births at the same time. And both of them
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Speaker 2: were confused about it. You remember when they met and
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Speaker 2: they saluted each other. And the Bible said that the
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Speaker 2: babies leaped in the womb. John, baby John, in his
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Speaker 2: mama's belly leaped when he sensed baby Jesus. And his
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Speaker 2: mama's baby leaps. You know, when you meet somebody and
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Speaker 2: something leaps.
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Speaker 2: And you just know that you're supposed to do something
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Speaker 2: with them. You don't know what the details are. You
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Speaker 2: don't know, but you just know that this is no
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Speaker 2: everyday person. This is a witness. This is a gatekeeper.
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Speaker 2: There's something different about this. Those of you that spiritually
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Speaker 2: discern things, you ought to look for that leap when
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Speaker 2: you meet people. Stop running off with people when ain't
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Speaker 2: nothing leaping. I'm going to wait for that leap, that
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Speaker 2: inner kick that this is a destiny hookup. And when
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Speaker 2: it's a destiny hookup, don't let nobody mess it up.
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Speaker 2: That's why Elijah told his friend, his friend said, you
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Speaker 2: ought to leave, Elijah. He said, I ain't going nowhere.
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Speaker 2: As the Lord liveth, I shall not leave thee. Elijah
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Speaker 2: even told him you ought to go. He said, I'm
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Speaker 2: not going anywhere. This is a destiny hookup. God put
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Speaker 2: something in you that I need and I'm not going nowhere.
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Speaker 2: Slap your neighbor and holler, stay. Don't let them move you.
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Speaker 2: Don't let them break you. Stay. Stay. Anyway, the babies,
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Speaker 2: Jesus and John, we know that they met in the womb.
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Speaker 2: We don't see where they met no more until down
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Speaker 2: here at the Jordan. The irony is, you would think
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Speaker 2: that Jesus would have started his ministry with miracles. You
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Speaker 2: would have thought that Jesus, being the son of God,
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Speaker 2: would need anybody to witness his ministry I mean, you
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Speaker 2: say you don't need nobody for yours. So you would
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Speaker 2: think that Jesus, being God incarnate, would not need a
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Speaker 2: man to ordain him or license him or point him out.
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Speaker 3: He'd just start doing it.
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Speaker 2: Because you say you don't need no man.
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Speaker 3: You're annoying it.
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Speaker 2: So I figured if you're so annoying it, you don't
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Speaker 2: need nobody to point you out. Then surely Jesus.
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Speaker 3: Wouldn't need anybody to point him out. But he did.
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Speaker 2: Now, Jesus did a little ministering in the temple, but
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Speaker 2: it didn't start there. He did a little, remember when
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Speaker 2: he was 12? He went in the temple and got
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Speaker 2: lost in the temple and he ministered, confounded the doctors
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Speaker 2: and the lawyers, but it didn't start there because you
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Speaker 2: can't start yourself. You need a witness. You need a witness. Witness, witness, witness, witness, witness, witness, witness.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to be wonderful in your own eyes.
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Speaker 2: That's what we got now, a bunch of people that's
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Speaker 2: wonderful in their own eyes. Nobody bears witness to your
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Speaker 2: wonderfulness but you. You are the president of your fan club.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You write the book and read the book and buy
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Speaker 2: the book back. You're just wonderful and everybody else is wrong.
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Speaker 2: But there's a process for promotion that requires that you
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Speaker 2: need a witness that authenticates it's time for a switch
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Speaker 2: in your life. Don't let restlessness be your witness. Because
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Speaker 2: if you start leaving stuff because you're restless, you're going
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Speaker 2: to leave your kids, your wife, your job, your church.
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Speaker 3: You can't be led by feelings.
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Speaker 2: You need a witness. Oh, shout out. I know I'm
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Speaker 2: old school. But if Jesus needed a witness, if he
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Speaker 2: couldn't go in the temple and start his ministry at 12,
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Speaker 2: you can't either. Just because you know some scriptures and
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Speaker 2: you can confound some doctors and lawyers doesn't mean that
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Speaker 2: you are ready to go. Somebody has to point you out.
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Speaker 3: So here's the interesting thing. We see nothing.
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Speaker 2: From 12 to 30. 18 years of silence.
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Speaker 3: Nothing.
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Speaker 2: Jesus is just a face in the crowd. Nobody even
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Speaker 2: knows who he is. In fact, they're not trying to
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Speaker 2: follow Jesus. They are following John. His cousin, John, the
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Speaker 2: one Liz had.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Liz's boy. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He's getting all the engagements, getting all the dates and everything.
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Speaker 2: Liz's boy. Got a strange minister, wild locusts and honey,
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Speaker 2: dressed kind of funny.
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Speaker 3: Liz's boy.
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Speaker 2: But they're all running out there to hear Liz's boy
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Speaker 2: baptizing people down there in the Jordan. Don't have but
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Speaker 2: one sermon, Liz's boy.
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Speaker 3: Amen.
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Speaker 2: Preaching the same thing every week. Repent, for the kingdom
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Speaker 2: of heaven is at hand. Next Sunday, repent, for the
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Speaker 2: kingdom of heaven is at hand. Repent, for the kingdom
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Speaker 2: of heaven is at hand. Next Sunday, repent, for the
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Speaker 2: kingdom of heaven is at hand. Now, it don't seem
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Speaker 2: like he would have had nobody in his church, because
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Speaker 2: after about a month of hearing you preach the same thing.
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Speaker 3: I would do like we do. You know, I don't
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Speaker 3: know what this means, but we, you know.
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Speaker 2: But John was limited for a reason. When God doesn't
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Speaker 2: give you more, it's because you don't need more to
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Speaker 2: do the purpose that he's given you to do. So
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Speaker 2: don't try to be more than what you are. Just
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Speaker 2: be good at what you are because you're going to fit.
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Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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Speaker 2: Let's just stop and do something right now. Slap your
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Speaker 2: neighbor and say, I fit. Don't look at me funny.
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Speaker 2: Don't act strange about me. Don't misunderstand me.
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Speaker 3: I am fearfully.
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Speaker 2: And marvelously made and for what I was created to
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Speaker 2: do I fit I don't have to be taller shorter
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Speaker 2: skinnier better looking knock knee to bow legged I fit
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Speaker 2: right where I am I'm perfect I fit.
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Speaker 3: Glory to God.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I feel a shout in this place right now. Oh,
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Speaker 2: I relieve you of the burden of trying to fit
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Speaker 2: in with other people, trying to do like other people.
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Speaker 2: God gave you what you need for the role you're
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Speaker 2: supposed to play. Stop letting people bang you in the
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Speaker 2: spots where you don't fit. Pop back out of there.
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Speaker 2: If I don't fit somewhere, it's a sign that I
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Speaker 2: do fit Somewhere, throw your hand up and say, Lord,
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Speaker 2: show me where I fit.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it a shame?
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Speaker 2: Some people spend 20, 30 years being crammed into spots
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Speaker 2: they didn't fit. And they could have been used, but
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Speaker 2: they end up abused because abused is abnormal use to
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Speaker 2: be crammed into a spot that you don't fit. Amen.
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Speaker 2: Just because the people around you need you to be
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Speaker 2: something that you are not. They cram you into a
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Speaker 2: spot that you don't fit. And you spent 20 years
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Speaker 2: trying to shape yourself around somebody else's need who left you.
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Speaker 2: When God had a place for you all the time. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: the boys hadn't.
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Speaker 3: Seen one another.
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Speaker 2: 18 years, we don't know that they've seen each other
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Speaker 2: for 30 years. And Jesus is in the crowd and
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Speaker 2: all of them come down to see John. And John
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Speaker 2: points him out. Nobody was looking at him until John came.
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Speaker 2: They're pushing past. Excuse me, excuse me. You know how
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Speaker 2: people do when it's not you they came to see. See,
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Speaker 2: there are levels. There are seasons. There are stages. You
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Speaker 2: got to learn how to appreciate your level and your
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Speaker 2: season and your stage or you'll be frustrated trying to
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Speaker 2: be something that you're not. When you come to the
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Speaker 2: end of the season, There will always be a witness.
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Speaker 2: And this is what you got to get. There will
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Speaker 2: always be a witness. Jesus had come to the end
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Speaker 2: of 18 years of obscurity. 18 years of obscurity. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to break out. He doesn't have to fight out. Somebody,
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Speaker 2: God ordained somebody to point him out. They put the
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Speaker 2: finger on him. Behold, the Lamb of God. We're taking
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Speaker 2: away the sins of the world. I don't know who
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Speaker 2: I'm preaching to. But God said somebody's getting ready to
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Speaker 2: put their finger on you. Whoever's supposed to hear this word,
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Speaker 2: you've come to the end of one season. You're on
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Speaker 2: the way to the next season. You're not going to
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Speaker 2: have to do it on your own. You won't have
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Speaker 2: to do it by yourself. Somebody's getting ready to point
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Speaker 2: you out, and a breakthrough is coming.
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Speaker 1: Still to come on The Potter's Touch.
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Speaker 3: The contacts that he put in your life.
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Speaker 2: Are for a reason and for a season. That out
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Speaker 2: of those relationships will come the resources that open up
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Speaker 2: the door to take you into the next dimension. You
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Speaker 2: are not to worry about the money. Before I die
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Speaker 2: in a cage, I want to run in the wild.
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Speaker 2: We can do what it is without limits, without being
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Speaker 2: boxed in a cage, without being hindered. I want to
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Speaker 2: run in the wild of my destiny. I want to
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Speaker 2: run in the wild of my purpose.
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Speaker 1: Telling us to branch out and it's time to shift
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Speaker 1: and just about taking it to the next level and
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Speaker 1: just thinking outside of the four walls.
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Speaker 2: I got to get out of this cage. God has
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Speaker 2: given us a place. around where we are pastoring, to
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Speaker 2: take over that region for the kingdom of God. You're
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Speaker 2: frustrated about something that's just an incubator to take you
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Speaker 2: to the next dimension. Now we're going to grow and
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Speaker 2: go to global missions.
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Speaker 1: No more limits, no more boundaries. The cage is open.
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Speaker 1: You don't have any excuses anymore on why you can't
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Speaker 2: Sometimes when you get ready to come to another season,
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Speaker 2: people won't release you. They want to confine you to
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Speaker 2: be who you were. So you can't evolve to becoming
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Speaker 2: who God wants you to be. But right now, for
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Speaker 2: whoever I'm preaching to, you need to just command everybody
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Speaker 2: around you, release me, release me, release me, release me,
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Speaker 2: release me. I can't be who I was and who
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Speaker 2: I am at the same time. That's the biggest mistake
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Speaker 2: you can make in your life. It's trying to live
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Speaker 2: up to the expectations of who you used to be
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Speaker 2: while you're trying to get the energy to become who
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Speaker 2: God called you to be. You need to just forget
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Speaker 2: those things which are behind and reach to those things
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Speaker 2: which are before. You can't be backwards and forwards at
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Speaker 2: the same time. Let it go. He says, behold the
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Speaker 2: Lamb of God who taketh away the sins.
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Speaker 3: Of the world, and immediately, not gradually, immediately.
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Speaker 2: He went from, Jesus went from the background to the
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Speaker 2: forefront immediately. It's quicker when you do it God's way.
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Speaker 2: When you got to do it by yourself, it'll take
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Speaker 2: you years to do it. If you wait and let
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Speaker 2: God do it, it'll happen immediately. And all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: The crowd cleared out and here comes Jesus walking out
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Speaker 2: of obscurity into notoriety.
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Speaker 3: In a flash. In a flash. Watch this.
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Speaker 2: Can I go a little bit deeper? So him and
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Speaker 2: John are talking. 30 years since I saw you, cuz.
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Speaker 2: What's up, man? Look just like your mama, boy. That's
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Speaker 2: your grandmama's cheeks. I have a big old cheeks just
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Speaker 2: like grandma. And they're down there in the Jordan. Jesus
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Speaker 2: said to John, cuz, baptize me. And John said, oh,
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Speaker 2: I can't baptize you. Look at who you are. I
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Speaker 2: can't baptize you. He said, you got to suffer it
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Speaker 2: to be so, to fulfill all righteousness. Because it cannot
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Speaker 2: be said that I made myself. No. I got to
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Speaker 2: go through process. If Jesus had to go through process...
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Speaker 2: You got to go through process. I got to go
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Speaker 2: through process to make this happen. But here's the irony.
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Speaker 3: Look at this.
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Speaker 2: Can I show you just a quick thing? The boy
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Speaker 2: is standing there in the Jordan. The Jordan River, you know.
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Speaker 2: The salty Jordan River. Salty Jordan flows into the Dead Sea,
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Speaker 2: you know. Just above the Sea of Galilee. And then
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Speaker 2: there's the Jordan. And then there's the Dead Sea. Somewhere
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Speaker 2: between the Sea of Galilee, there's fresh water. And the
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Speaker 2: Dead Sea where it's totally salt, the Jordan goes salty.
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Speaker 2: And it flushes, it represents our sins being washed into
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Speaker 2: the sea of forgetfulness, never to be remembered again. So
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Speaker 2: they're standing there in the Jordan River, and they're having
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Speaker 2: this conversation in the fluids. And the last time, they
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Speaker 2: were in the fluids.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And the last time they had got together, he was
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Speaker 2: in his mama's fluids and Jesus was in his mama's fluids.
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Speaker 2: And John knew that this was a destiny appointment because
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Speaker 2: the Bible said it was so strong that John leaped
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Speaker 2: in his mama's belly and was filled with the Holy Ghost.
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Speaker 2: Before the day of Pentecost and before the blood hit
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Speaker 2: the cross, John was filled with the Holy Ghost. Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: was filled with the Spirit.
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Speaker 3: Zacharias' tongue came.
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Speaker 2: See, when you meet the right people, it's a sign
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Speaker 2: all around you. It may take 20 years, but if
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Speaker 2: it's right, the contacts that he put in your life
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Speaker 2: are for a reason and for a season. That out
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Speaker 2: of those relationships will come the resources that open up
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Speaker 2: the door to take you into the next dimension. You
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Speaker 2: are not to worry about the money. It is not
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Speaker 2: about the money. Your resource is going to come through
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Speaker 2: your relationship. God is going to hook you up with
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Speaker 2: the right people at the right time to take you
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Speaker 2: where you have got to go. Do you hear what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying to you? And your sponsor, your sponsor may
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Speaker 2: not be related to you, but they will always be
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Speaker 2: somebody who relates to you.
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Speaker 3: To you.
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Speaker 2: On another level. You cannot be sponsored by somebody who
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Speaker 2: does not relate to you. When you meet them, they
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Speaker 2: may be on a higher level But they relate to you.
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Speaker 2: So a cousin was standing in the water with Cousin Jesus.
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Speaker 2: And they have what you would call a deja vu moment.
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Speaker 3: Wow. Feel like I did this before. You did.
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Speaker 2: You did. predestined, preordained before you was born. Here they
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Speaker 2: are back in the water again, only this time it's
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Speaker 2: on another level. Now I'm going to hasten to my close,
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Speaker 2: but what God is getting ready to do in your
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Speaker 2: life is on another level. It's on another level. Whenever
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Speaker 2: you go to the next level, you always need a
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Speaker 2: sponsor who is already there. Because people cannot take you
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Speaker 2: where they have not been. So I'm going to pray
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Speaker 2: for somebody in a minute. But this is what you
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Speaker 2: need to do. Always friend up. Because if you can
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Speaker 2: friend up, you're going to go up. Somebody up there
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Speaker 2: relates to who you are without you pretending to be
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Speaker 2: who you are not. This is going to be so easy.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to have to fake it. You won't
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Speaker 2: have to be phony. You can be your authentic who
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Speaker 2: you are self, and they are you on the next level.
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Speaker 2: That's why they invest in you, because they see themselves
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Speaker 2: in you, and they're trying to pull you up into
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Speaker 2: the next level of where you're trying to go. Who
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Speaker 2: am I preaching to? Just let me know who I'm
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Speaker 2: preaching to. So I'm going to keep this simple. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to keep this simple, but I want you to
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Speaker 2: rest right here on this thought. John said, I'm not
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Speaker 2: that light. There are some people in this room who
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Speaker 2: have to come to grips with the fact that you
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Speaker 2: are not the light. Your role in history is not
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Speaker 2: to be the light. You are not the man. You
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Speaker 2: are the one who points to the man. Don't let
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Speaker 2: people try to force you into being the man. It
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Speaker 2: is better to be a great sergeant than it is
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Speaker 2: to be a poor general. Okay, John is happy to
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Speaker 2: be who he is. We have too many church people
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Speaker 2: who are frustrated trying to be something that they are not.
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Speaker 2: Because you're trying to find ways to be recognized and
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Speaker 2: be acknowledged. And there are only certain things we acknowledge
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Speaker 2: and recognize. And so you have stopped being John and
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Speaker 2: you're trying to be Jesus. John knew he was not
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Speaker 2: the light. but he was good at pointing out the light.
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Speaker 2: Are you understand what I'm saying? Do what you're good at.
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Speaker 2: So your goods show you what you do. Do what
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Speaker 2: you're good at. So your goods show you what you do.
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Speaker 2: The level of your gifting will show you the level
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Speaker 2: of your destiny. God will give you the giftings or
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Speaker 2: the goods for what you are called to do. If
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Speaker 2: you don't have the goods, don't do it. Listen, the
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Speaker 2: most asked question that we get over the internet, on Facebook, online, anywhere,
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Speaker 2: is this whole thing about purpose. Purpose. I don't know
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Speaker 2: my purpose. I don't know what I'm called to do.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what my skill set is. Look at
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Speaker 2: your goods and you'll know what you're supposed to do.
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Speaker 2: He will give you goods according to what he predestined
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Speaker 2: you to do. If he gave you the goods to
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Speaker 2: be John and you only got one message, do that
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Speaker 2: one message and point at Jesus and say, that's the
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Speaker 2: one right there. And you will get the same well
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Speaker 2: done as somebody who had more because you only have
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Speaker 2: to give account for the level of goods you got.
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Speaker 2: I gotta find where I fit just because I'm not
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Speaker 2: the general don't mean the army don't need me we
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Speaker 2: need privates and corporals and sergeants and lieutenants everybody can't
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Speaker 2: do the same stuff John was not sent here to
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Speaker 2: redeem the world he said I'm not the light I'm
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Speaker 2: sent to bear witness of the light you will never
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Speaker 2: know what you're sent to do until you know what
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Speaker 2: you're not sent to do I am not this I
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Speaker 2: am not that. I am not the other. So I
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Speaker 2: am this. It takes a while to know what you're not.
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Speaker 2: Do some dumb stuff trying to find out what you're not.
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Speaker 2: Get crammed in some spots you don't fit. Trying to
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Speaker 2: find out where you do fit. You make some dumb mistakes.
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Speaker 2: have some consequences, pay a price, had some babies, got
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Speaker 2: in trouble, got into some perversion, got into drugs, got
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Speaker 2: into all kinds of stuff, crammed in the places that
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Speaker 2: were not you. Thank God you popped out, you popped out,
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Speaker 2: you popped out, you popped out, you popped out. You
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Speaker 2: popped out so that this stage of your life should
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Speaker 2: be the best stage of your life that you ever had.
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Speaker 2: Because you are strong enough as an individual to say,
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Speaker 2: I am not this, but.
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Speaker 3: I am that.
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Speaker 2: And through that, the doors, the doors are going to
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Speaker 2: start popping open, popping open, popping open, popping open, popping open,
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Speaker 2: popping open. Because when you know what you are and
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Speaker 2: you know what you're not, you can do what you
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Speaker 2: were created to do. My friends, I have to go.
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Speaker 2: It's been a real joy. I'm praying that God would
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Speaker 2: bless and strengthen you as you go into a new year, that.
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Speaker 3: Go with God. God bless you. Have a good one.
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Speaker 2: Nobody wins the Olympics by mistake. Success is always intentional.
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Speaker 2: You've got to untangle all of the things that you
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Speaker 2: have been through, reset, start over, reboot.
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Speaker 2: God wants to grow with you and go with you
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Speaker 2: and develop you and shape you, but he can't do it.
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Speaker 2: If you read something or you let somebody teach you
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Speaker 2: something or put you in a spot and they cram
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Speaker 2: fit and you can't grow. You can't grow forward. Who
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Speaker 2: going to meet tomorrow morning that don't fit what you thought?
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Speaker 2: is the potter's touch.