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A Golden Fantasy · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: My goodness, my, my goodness, what an episode. It's time
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  Speaker 2: for the Almost Famous podcast. We are here breaking down
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  Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor. Ashley and myself are so prepared, so ready.
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  Speaker 2: We also have a really special guest today. We have
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  Speaker 2: Shari coming on. Shrey is incredibly accomplished. She has led
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  Speaker 2: a city, she has been awarded Miss Senior World. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we have a guest, a rock star, really in our
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  Speaker 2: midst and we cannot wait to talk to her about
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  Speaker 2: her thoughts on the Fantasy Suite week. But before we
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  Speaker 2: bring her on, Ashley and myself have our thoughts. Ashley,
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  Speaker 2: what okay to me? This episode was one I was
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  Speaker 2: gripped by. I was into And here's what I love, Ashley,
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I love. The drama I love of this
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  Speaker 2: episode was not people necessarily being intentionally mean to somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: No roast in this episode.
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  Speaker 4: No rose. The drama is in the emotion and I
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  Speaker 4: love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Seriously. If you guys don't know, Ben had a
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  Speaker 3: huge issue with the roast that happened during the Bachelor
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  Speaker 3: in Paradise episode. We talked about it during our Bachelor
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  Speaker 3: in Paradise recap episode. Yeah, you're right, this is like
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  Speaker 3: some this is some good love drama. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: like what is what is my takeaway from this the
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  Speaker 3: overall this episode? Maybe like Teresa Moore saw her more
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  Speaker 3: as an intent contender and I still feel more physical
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  Speaker 3: chemistry though with Gary and Leslie.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, a couple rapid fire questions kind of out of
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  Speaker 2: the blue to get this thing started. One would be
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  Speaker 2: do you see any of these last two women potentially
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  Speaker 2: being the next Golden Bachelorette if.
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  Speaker 4: We were to have one.
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  Speaker 3: I still think that if there's a Golden Bachelorette, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be Faith.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like everybody was rooting for Faith. I mean
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  Speaker 3: I think it was just such a shocker that she'd
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  Speaker 3: be the bachelorette.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't think any of these two women will
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  Speaker 2: be the next Bachelorette Ashley.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think the.
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  Speaker 2: The way that Gary handled the Fantasy Suite week was
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  Speaker 2: I've never really hear I mean there's not, at least
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  Speaker 2: in recent memory. Juan Pablo obviously said something during Fantasy
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  Speaker 2: Suites that really threw him up. Do you just feel
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  Speaker 2: like he handled this like most leads do or was
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  Speaker 2: there an element different to you?
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I actually think that like a
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  Speaker 3: lot of leads handle it well, so I think he
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  Speaker 3: probably handled it even better than most leads, just because
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  Speaker 3: he has just the life experience. But as we'll talk
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  Speaker 3: about when we get on the phone with Sharie, I
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  Speaker 3: do think that he may have led the ladies on
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  Speaker 3: a bit too much.
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  Speaker 2: So my final kind of random question for you, did
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  Speaker 2: this episode live up to everything you were hoping for
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to Fantasy Suites and the Golden Bachelor?
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  Speaker 3: It really it? Did it?
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  Speaker 5: Did?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's dive into it now we start out this.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I could elaborate did it live up for you?
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  Speaker 3: Because you're the one, you know that's been, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest fan of the show. Not to say that
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  Speaker 3: I'm not, but uh, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think it did.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I for me, what I wanted to see
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  Speaker 2: in this episode was them taking the time to explore
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  Speaker 2: their relationship without cameras. I don't know how it spits
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  Speaker 2: them out yet, so I can't really say because there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things left unsaid. When it comes to
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  Speaker 2: kind of the breakdown of the two evenings they both
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  Speaker 2: seem great. They both seem fine, but they always, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if they go reasonably well, they seem fine and great,
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  Speaker 2: and you still really don't know what's going on in
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  Speaker 2: Gary's head, or really the women's head. I think we
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  Speaker 2: saw the dynamics of both women coming into this very excited,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we saw Gary getting very overwhelmed, probably
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  Speaker 2: more overwhelmed than the show showed. I think Gary was
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  Speaker 2: a mess of emotions and I think a mess of exhaustion. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: Fantasy Suits Week is tiring, no matter what you're doing
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  Speaker 2: behind closed doors. You're up late, you're not sleeping much,
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  Speaker 2: you're talking as much as you can, because obviously even
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  Speaker 2: if you are, you know, entering into intercourse, it ain't
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  Speaker 2: taken six hours. You have a lot of time to talk.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is one other thing I'd like to mention.
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  Speaker 3: The two storylines are so separate with the women. You
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  Speaker 3: have one woman who's never even felt like she's had
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  Speaker 3: like a great love, never been able to comfortably say
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  Speaker 3: I want to spend the rest or I will be
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  Speaker 3: spending the rest of my life with you. And then
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  Speaker 3: there's another woman who is more in his boat, where
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  Speaker 3: she's a widow, and she may have never expected another
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  Speaker 3: love again. Do you find one more compelling than the other?
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  Speaker 3: You do you find that their backgrounds play a play
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  Speaker 3: a role in who he's gonna pick.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it plays a role in who
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  Speaker 2: he's going to pick, because I think you have very two,
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  Speaker 2: very different dynamics. If he wants to be Leslie's first
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  Speaker 2: real love, then that's something that would be maybe intriguing
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  Speaker 2: to him. If he wants to have a partner who
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  Speaker 2: understands what it's like to love again, then he would,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pick Teresa. I think it just makes the
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  Speaker 2: women who they are in a lot of ways, Like
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  Speaker 2: you see, kind of their behaviors, their their characteristics, their
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  Speaker 2: personality shine through their life experiences, and I do. I
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  Speaker 2: I mean one of the reasons why I've been so
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  Speaker 2: much in the Teresa camp since the beginning, and this
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  Speaker 2: doesn't take away from Leslie's abilities, it's just life experience
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  Speaker 2: is Teresa will have a built in empathy that Leslie
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  Speaker 2: cannot have because she has not experienced loss. Teresa will
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  Speaker 2: be able to understand what it's like maybe on a
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  Speaker 2: random day when Gary starts crying because it's the anniversary
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  Speaker 2: of his late wife, and it's just filling him up,
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  Speaker 2: and she still loves him and she will sit beside
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  Speaker 2: him in that because she.
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  Speaker 4: Gets it too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, I think for Teresa there
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  Speaker 2: is maybe an emotional connection, and I think for Leslie
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  Speaker 2: it's always been not only emotional connection. I think they
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  Speaker 2: get along great and I think they care about each
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  Speaker 2: other a ton, but it's also been a very physical connection.
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  Speaker 2: Leslie has always been our sex panther. She's always been sexy,
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  Speaker 2: she's always been very kind of forward, and she's so
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  Speaker 2: it's just two different women, and now it's what does
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  Speaker 2: he want for this next stage of his life.
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  Speaker 3: Here are the two moments that are a little bit
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  Speaker 3: that confuse us as to who he's gonna pick. He
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  Speaker 3: tells He tells Leslie, Trista told me something. She said,
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  Speaker 3: you have to find the woman who you can't live without,
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  Speaker 3: not the one you can live with. And then he says,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're that one. I have to have coffee
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  Speaker 3: with you every morning, and I have to have you
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  Speaker 3: when I go to bed at night, Like that is huge.
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  Speaker 3: If that's how he feels towards Leslie and what he
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  Speaker 3: says to her on the first date of the week.
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  Speaker 3: Why would he go and say I love you to
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  Speaker 3: Teresa in the fantasy suite. Does he change his mind
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  Speaker 3: in his fantasy suite with Theresa? That's the big question,
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  Speaker 3: because I think leading into this episode is quite out.
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  Speaker 3: It seems quite obvious that Leslie's the frontrunner, but then
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  Speaker 3: it changes.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of uh understanding of
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  Speaker 2: where Gary's at, and I know from our perspective it
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  Speaker 2: seems like he's leading him on, and in a sense
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  Speaker 2: he is, and I'm sure he's not exactly sitting watching
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  Speaker 2: this being like, I'm so glad I did this to
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  Speaker 2: both of them because one of these women is going
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  Speaker 2: to end up being hurt. However, this, you know, based
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  Speaker 2: on my experience on the show, this is a part
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  Speaker 2: that's always very interesting to me because what I think
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  Speaker 2: Gary's doing is being as authentic as he knows how
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  Speaker 2: to based on his previous life experience. Typically, when you
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  Speaker 2: care about somebody and they're sharing that yeah, well, when
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  Speaker 2: they share with you, hey, I love you, the response
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  Speaker 2: is a really you know, if you feel the same way,
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  Speaker 2: it's really.
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  Speaker 4: Hard to be like that sounds great.
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  Speaker 2: No, you respond with a I love you too, and
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  Speaker 2: I think also there is an element here where for
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  Speaker 2: Gary especially, and I can't necessarily relate with this. He's
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmed with a feeling that he has not been used
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  Speaker 2: to in many, many years. He has two women that
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  Speaker 2: I generally think he cares about that I generally think
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  Speaker 2: he could see the rest of his life with, and
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  Speaker 2: as a result, he doesn't know how to navigate it.
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  Speaker 2: There's no road map, as he said, to how to
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  Speaker 2: do this well or what to say and not to say.
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  Speaker 2: You just get thrown in it. And so I watch
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  Speaker 2: this and I say, Gary is a mess, and I
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  Speaker 2: like it for television purposes. I love it. I think
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  Speaker 2: he's in it. I think he's doing it. I think
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  Speaker 2: he's involved in it. I think he's feeling everything he
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  Speaker 2: can possibly feel from a real life perspective. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be really painful for Gary and the last
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  Speaker 2: two women, both of them. Honestly, I think one woman
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  Speaker 2: who he chooses is gonna have a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: to have to figure out. I do think Teresa would
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  Speaker 2: be more prepared to kind of navigate that with him
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  Speaker 2: than Leslie would. But however, both women are gonna be
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  Speaker 2: hurt because they're gonna have to watch Gary say this
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  Speaker 2: on national television, and then at the same time one
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  Speaker 2: of them is gonna be going home, and she's going
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  Speaker 2: to be confused to why she's going home when Gary
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  Speaker 2: said this could be the next first morning of the
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  Speaker 2: rest of my life, and hey, I think you're the
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  Speaker 2: one that I can't live without. So both women now
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  Speaker 2: have a verbal confirmation from Gary that is not just
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  Speaker 2: I care about you and I love you, it is
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  Speaker 2: after this, I see my life with you, I know.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the things I want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: Ashley about this scenario is I did feel, and Jessica
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  Speaker 2: did feel, that there was a disconnect between Leslie and
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  Speaker 2: Gary more than Teresa and Gary. The next morning, it
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  Speaker 2: felt like the the closeness of their relationship going into
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  Speaker 2: that night, like I was watching this going there is
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  Speaker 2: zero chance he's not choosing Leslie. In fact, Jessica says,
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  Speaker 2: are you going to be sad when he chooses Leslie?
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  Speaker 2: And I said no, I like Leslie. I just always
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  Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be Teresa because I was so convinced,
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  Speaker 2: like what in the world's happening here? But the next
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  Speaker 2: morning Jessica looked at me and she actually said At
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  Speaker 2: first she said, hey, Gary, seems distant. I said, hey, uh,
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  Speaker 2: after a good old you know friend, Lil Wayne. Once
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  Speaker 2: you do it, you come to your senses a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Ben, wait.
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  Speaker 2: Really I thought maybe he just had the like next
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  Speaker 2: morning kind of like hangover where like his mind is swhirling.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, wait, I don't know what I just did.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't done this in a while. It was so great,
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  Speaker 2: and now like I'm I'm getting some clarity like that
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  Speaker 2: is that is a thing.
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  Speaker 4: It is a thing.
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  Speaker 3: However, he feels like you think, like like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: like the excitement because like you said, she's kind of
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  Speaker 3: like the sex panther once like the sex was had
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  Speaker 3: and that was out of his system. Then things clarified
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  Speaker 3: whether or not it's like an emotional and match.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I do, gotcha? Do you agree? Disagree?
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  Speaker 3: I have to before making comment or rewatch the morning
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  Speaker 3: scene to see if it's if I really truly feel
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  Speaker 3: like it's that distant.
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  Speaker 2: We felt distance. I'll say that so that was my perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Is I felt distance the next morning?
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  Speaker 3: So interesting.
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  Speaker 4: It's a thing, Ashley. It's a thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good teller of when you
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  Speaker 2: found the right one, because when you find the right one,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you high five and you're like, let's try
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  Speaker 2: to get in tomorrow or tonight or in two hours.
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  Speaker 4: This was awesome, let's make.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, that's it's great. But it's out of
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  Speaker 3: my system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, I don't know if I can do
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  Speaker 2: this again.
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  Speaker 3: Because the lead up is so is the most fun
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  Speaker 3: part right exactly?
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's a thing. I can't say it was
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  Speaker 2: the thing that caused it. It's a theory that I'm
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  Speaker 2: placing on that next morning.
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  Speaker 3: Is this a guy thing or thing too? Or do
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  Speaker 3: you do you can't dominate a guy thing? I know,
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  Speaker 3: I know. I don't know why I asked you that,
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  Speaker 3: because Jess and I are obviously in a situation where
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  Speaker 3: we can't really answer it either, as we were not
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  Speaker 3: really so sexually experienced.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine it's both. I would imagine there is
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  Speaker 2: that uh you know, I'd imagine it's an element for both.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I know from my like from being
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  Speaker 2: a man, it is, you know, a thing. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know from a woman's perspective if it is a thing
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  Speaker 2: or not. But I would imagine it is and some
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  Speaker 2: maybe some different way, or you'd explain it some different way.
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  Speaker 2: Lil Wayne has a sing in one of his songs
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  Speaker 2: that explains it pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know ash I felt it. We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: It's a theory, but we should see if maybe Sharie
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  Speaker 2: feels the same way. I want to ask her because
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  Speaker 2: obviously she is in the age group that would be
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  Speaker 2: on the show. She would maybe understandable more and she's
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  Speaker 2: maybe reading into things that you and I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: based on our you know, lack of life experience. So
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  Speaker 2: let's bring her on now, we'll dive into the episode.
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  Speaker 2: We'll dive into what we thinks. Next, we'll dive into
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  Speaker 2: who she thinks. You know, Gary's gonna end up with. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: We're very lucky again this week have a very special
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  Speaker 2: person on here breaking down kind of their opinions and
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  Speaker 2: their thoughts on The Golden Bachelor. We have Shari this week, Suri,
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  Speaker 2: can you explain to our audience how we know you,
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  Speaker 2: how do we come in contact with you?
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  Speaker 4: Why are we so lucky to have you on our podcast?
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  Speaker 5: Hi, I'm from beautiful Port Angeles, Washington. Former mayor, former
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  Speaker 5: Miss Senior USA and Miss Senior Washington World. And I'm
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  Speaker 5: just a lady who loves advance, sure, who loves romance,
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  Speaker 5: and absolutely adore Gary from The Golden Bachelors. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: really happy to talk with you.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, you are from Twilight Zone, like literally
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  Speaker 3: the Twilight capital of the world. I'm so jealous. I
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  Speaker 3: want to take a trip there one day.
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  Speaker 5: Please come, We'll roll out the red carpet. I was
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  Speaker 5: the mayor of Twilight. I was mayor during the Twilight series.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a big fan. I actually I'm team Edward. I
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  Speaker 5: want you to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, of course, of course, as all people really should
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  Speaker 3: be no offense to our friend and sweet sweet man
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Lautner.
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  Speaker 5: We love Taylor, but you know when a guy's are als,
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  Speaker 5: it just makes your heart thraw. What can I say?
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  Speaker 2: Goodness, gracious, we have so okay, before we get into
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  Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor.
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  Speaker 4: You're the mayor for how many years.
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  Speaker 5: Port Angelus, Washington. I served on the city council for
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  Speaker 5: twelve years. I'm the only woman ever to serve three
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  Speaker 5: consecutive terms, and I turned out. So now I'm doing
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  Speaker 5: fun things. I'm still volunteering in my community because that's
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  Speaker 5: the heart of our community as volunteers. But I modeled
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  Speaker 5: in New York Fashion Week in September. I'm in three
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  Speaker 5: fashion magazines and I'm watching the Old Tessler and I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking to you, which is the highlight of my year.
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  Speaker 5: You must know that you.
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  Speaker 3: Have, oh please, you have way too much going on
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  Speaker 3: for this to be a highlight. And you were so
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  Speaker 3: you were, miss Senior Washington. Well, I yes, Senior world
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  Speaker 3: washing your world?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, because you know what, life doesn't need to stop
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  Speaker 5: or change, because I'm breaking barriers for women of all ages.
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  Speaker 5: Because if you didn't know how old you were, what
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  Speaker 5: would you do? What would your goal be? And so
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  Speaker 5: we're just ignoring that, and we're working on attitude, energy, experience,
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  Speaker 5: and just really looking for opportunities for women of all
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  Speaker 5: aid business.
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  Speaker 3: So you're inspiring. Now, what's your relationship status.
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  Speaker 5: I'm married to my nearly perfect husband's sweet pop and
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  Speaker 5: he supports me and I'm very grateful. He's the first
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  Speaker 5: man in my life who supports and encourages me and
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  Speaker 5: doesn't feel threatened. In fact, my name Sherry Kidd is
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  Speaker 5: he proposed to me and he has a lovely Norwegian name,
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  Speaker 5: And I said, I love your name, but I have
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  Speaker 5: three hundred yard signs that say kid for counsel and
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  Speaker 5: I can't change now, so I kept my maiden name.
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  Speaker 5: And he's just got a great sense of humor and
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  Speaker 5: it's a good partnership. So I'm lucky. Yeah. How many
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  Speaker 5: years are Yeah, seventeen years. And he's a former marine,
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  Speaker 5: so politically he's not always diplomatic, but I call him
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  Speaker 5: a nearly perfect husband.
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  Speaker 4: He is nearly perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's so much you've just said at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of this that I cannot wait to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you about when it comes to The Golden Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: So before we get into kind of breaking down this
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  Speaker 2: episode specifically, yes, and there's some big topic Sherritt SUI,
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're If you're uncomfortable speaking about physical intimacy,
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  Speaker 2: fantasy suites, the admissions of love, then let us know
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  Speaker 2: and we'll just bypass it. But there are some really
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  Speaker 2: interesting things I'd love to get your opinion on. But
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: before we get into that, I really am interested in
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: your overall thoughts on The Golden Bachelor. So as a sea,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: as the season how is coming to an end and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: it's been a whole new project obviously for the Bachelor franchise.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: We've seen things happen on the show and stories told
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that we've never seen before.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Would you, I guess, say that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: This show is breaking barriers and the way that you
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: hoped it would.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: They took a big chance on doing the Gold of Bachelor.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: It was either going to be a hit or a flop,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: and it's a hit, and so I commend, I really
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: commend the people who found Gary because he's really the
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: total package of women who are older than you know.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: The twenty year olds are looking for one thing. The
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: ladies who are experienced and more mature, you're looking for
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: something else. And to me, Gary's the total package. He
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: retired at fifty five, so financially he's able. He has
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: a loving family. He had one marriage and for forty
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: three years. And let me tell you, his wife trained
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: him well. Whoever the lucky lady gets him, he's well trained.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: He's domesticated, and he's ready to settle down and the
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: good husband. He looks good. Pickleball is the most fastest
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: growing sport for seniors in the world, and it's fun
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: and social. He's the first I watched The Bachelor since
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: the first season okay, and this is the first bachelor
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: who cries when someone doesn't get a rose.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: He cried, Yeah, sweet, He's so sweet. He's a great
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: communicator too.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: He has emotions, he has feelings, he has humor, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: he appears to be a good kisser. I can tell
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: you that, you know. So it's been fun to watch.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: It's been fun to watch. In fact, from the beginning,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I put my money on face. She just came out,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: you know, tossed her hair, and she just she's a doll.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: So she got the first rosen. She really made him
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: weak in the knees the first night that she sang
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: to him, so that she kind of started off really strong.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I didn't see Teresa coming. It's kind of like a
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: horse race, and you know, Teresa came from the back,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: and she just kept moving up, kept moving up, kept
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: moving up. So I've I've been amazed at Teresa's progress too.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: So he's founded to two interesting ladies, two wonderful ladies,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: and so it was fun last night. It was a
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: fun episode to watch. It was very very interesting in
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: many ways.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: What is your takeaway from just last night's episode, Like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: what do you leave thinking? Was going to happen next week.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Well, so last night was Fantasy Sweets. Yeah, Gry is
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: a widow. He hasn't been involved general manipulation relationship for
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: a long time. My first thought was they had him
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: back to back in consecutive nights with Fantasy Sweets and
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: didn't give him a breather. I think he probably needed
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: to breathe her because he was because he spent the
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: night with Leslie and he went into it. They had
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: a nice date and they repelled down this cliff, which,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: frankly was it would be very frightening to any of
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: us if you're not someone who does that normally. I mean,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: you look down and it looks like you're going into
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: the depths of the earth. And she was scared. I
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: was scared watching it. And if you had wrote me up,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I would have you know, that's that's to me. It
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: was that a game changer. Do you say nice to
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: know you're Gary, I'm out here, or okay, let's do this.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: She sucked it up. She did it, and you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: points for Leslie for actually repelling down that scary cliff.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: And then he went on to say, well she she's
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: got rose colored glasses. She doesn't asked me any hard questions.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: And I think that's important. If you're talking about not
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: a TV show, not a dating situation, you're talking about marriage,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: you need to ask the hard questions. And so they
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: started getting into that. What's interesting is he says easily
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: to Leslie, I love you. He doesn't do that for Teresa.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: He never has. And on the you know, on the
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: home dates, on the home dates, Leslie's family said, are
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: you in love? He said a big smile. Teresa's just
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: didn't get it out. So so I've been paying attention
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: to that. And then but he had such a lovely
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: overnight with Leslie that he was just in. He was glowing,
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: he was in that, he was in it with Leslie.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: And too soon here's Teresa riding horses and he's still
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: overwhelmed with his romantic night with Leslie, which really put
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: him in a place where how do you switch gears
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: like that so fast? He couldn't.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I would.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I wonder what would have been like if if they
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: switched and if Teresa went first.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you, Teresa realized he was quiet,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: and she realized he had had an opportunity to be
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: with Leslie. So this is the first time I was
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: impressed with Teresa. The girl brought it. She realized he
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: was quiet and she was following someone else who was amazing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: So Teresa started selling. I mean, she brought it, she said.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: She said, Oh, I know you're thinking about you know her,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: but let's you must still be kind of quiet, so
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: let's talk about her future. Let's talk about being together,
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: let's talk about holidays together. Teresa, who never impressed me
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: as being that aggressive, the girl just absolutely came out.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: So he didn't know anything about her career.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Boo, she showed a whole different side of herself yesterday. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I look at her differently now after she talked about
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: her career as well.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: So she was far more accomplished than anyone realized. She
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: had come across early in the seas and frankly even
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: a little naive. I mean, you know, with the thing
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: with Kathy and zip It, and she just seemed a
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: little naive. But boom, she comes across as a strong,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: capable woman and it's like whoa. And then she's talking
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: about their future together and their their bond and I
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: was like, who is this woman? She's just And then
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: in the morning he said this is the first day
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: of the rest of my life. That was huge. So
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: I think did well.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Theresa definitely did well, And I wanted to clarify that,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: like love homemakers. My mom was a stay at home mom.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I just liked the way her demeanor changed when she
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: talked about her business.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Too, I do too.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: She came across a very capable, very intelligent. She came
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: across as a woman, woman who gets it done and
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: who can take her situation and prove herself to do
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: what she needs to do. But she kept referring back
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: to Gary and the way they could do things together.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Now Leslie, the beautiful girl from Minneapolis, he said, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: are you going to well, let's talk about our life together.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Where are we going to be, where we're going to live?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, if we're married. This this is a hard question.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Leslie cannot lead Minneapolis permanently. And she said, we'll figure
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: it out. Well, honey, you better figure it out before
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: the ring goes on.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: He liked that they would figure it out together, that said,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: he said, that's what he wanted to hear.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah he did. He likes that. But if you're looking
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: at situations, those things you need to know because she
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: is so established in Minneapolis with her family. That's something
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: they need to work out before the wedding because those
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: kind of things are stressors on a relationship. So so
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, So anyway, I last night I totally
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: flipped on Theresa with her ability yet and her selling
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: herself and they obviously had. She obviously got rid of
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: the ghost of Leslie in the fantasy sweet I do
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: you know the girl brought it? That's all I can say.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a few things that I want to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: touch on with you. You know, this show has been
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: breaking barriers, and maybe I would say as much as
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: breaking barriers illuminating truth to life that I think we
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have either forgotten, we've made taboo we don't want.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: To think about.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: But this episode was very much focused, as we would imagine,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: on physical intimacy. Jesse and Gary sit down and they
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: have this this talk about what is expected, and Gary
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: is fairly upfront with he is willing, able and wanting
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to be intimate in whatever way. Both parties kind of
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable with, right, and it's it's something different, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen people make out in their sixties and
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: seventies really in my life. I think it's actually really beautiful.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: My parents are very physically you know, open with me.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: As I grew up, it was never a secret that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: they loved each other, that they were attracted to each other.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I found it to be a very beautiful thing in
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: our household, and I never doubted that they were still
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: attracted to each other. However, I haven't lived in my
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: household for fifteen years, and so I don't see that
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: as much anymore, right, And so I just want to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: kind of ask you the broad question when it comes
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: to people in their sixties and seventies being physically intimate.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: What do you think was going through the woman's mind
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: on this show as they were entering into the fantasy suitees,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: What do you think was going on in Gary's mind?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: You know, kind of how important is it still? Just
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: maybe clarify some of the things that we didn't get
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: through the conversation with Jesse and Gary that I think
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: would be really helpful for listeners to understand.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I think Gary approached it very well. It's a wonderful
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: part of a relationship, It's a wonderful part of your life.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: It's a wonderful part with your partner and your sweetheart,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: your forever love, and Gary wants that he's looking forward
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: to that, and it seems to me, I mean, didn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Teresa kiss him on the first aid. I don't know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: but I mean the first day he promised it's grandkids.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: No kissing on the first day. Well, there were several
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: ladies who fuckered up and grabbed him really quick. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Gary's not a verse of kissing. He likes. He likes
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: the physical closeness of hugging. And he's just been very
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: very touchy feely though, you know, hugging with his ladies
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: and the whole season. And he came down to intimacy
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: I like some he explained it, we don't rush into it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: It's it's it's emotional. We savor it. We take it
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: slow and gentle and savor it. Well, I was kind
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: of I have to tell you, I was getting weak
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: in the knees when he was describing that. I think
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: he was just setting it up for a romantic evening
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: with the two of them, and I think that was
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: very important to both the ladies and to him that
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: they get close and have that time together. And frankly,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: they're still young to have intimacy to have fun. But
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: that's an important part of marriage. It should be and frankly,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: aries at have great age to still enjoy intimacy with
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: his sweeter.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: So Gary said something like, I don't give a crap
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: what you guys are thinking out there, Like we're gonna
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: we're keeping this private, right, But sorry, Gary, we're a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: podcast and we have to talk around things like this.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Do we think that he had sex with both of
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: them or one of them or none of them? Let's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: just say it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: You know, you sign up for the Golden Bachelor. Yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: the Fantasy Suites. It's on TV. They close the lights
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: out and they turned the lights up, but do not disturb.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: And next morning they're grinned from ear to ear.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I'm not so soul. I'm not one
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: hundred percent sold. Because of his little spiel where he
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: said like we can take it slow and stuff, I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: wondering if in his head he's like, oh, let me
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: just wait till I pick my final one. I'd rather
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: just wait till there's one lady left. This is just
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm thinking. And I think that he felt so
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: connected to them through conversation in the in the fantasy Suite,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: and he did say that, like wow, Like people at
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: home assume that it's all about sex, but actually it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: so special to have that private time. I think that
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: they could have just been smiling from the great connection
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: that they developed in the room.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, like he said, nobody's business. It's our night together.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: There's no cameras. We can talk about everything, we can
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: be together, we can struggle, we can talk, we can
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: kiss on it. You know, it's our night together, our
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: private time when we need that. Yet because there were
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: no cameras, so that takes the relationship really an important
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: step further. Whether or not they were intimate, they were close,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: and it was it was, it was good. They were
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: all happy, they all everybody was happy about the overnights together.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: So, sorry, Gary, we're speculating.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Sorry Gary, I think they had fun.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean and I would and I would
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: say too, you know, for for anybody, intimacy means a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: lot of different things. I mean, as long as they
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: were intimate, Yeah, and the Fantasy Suites did what it
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was supposed to do, which bring brings them together and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: allows them the space. I think it's you know, it
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: was a really I never got the sense from Gary
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in his conversation with Jesse that he wasn't prepared to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: go wherever they felt like as a couple in the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: moment they needed to go or wanted to go, or
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you know, desired to go. I think for me, it
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: was an interesting conversation to have somebody in their seventies
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: explaining that process of what was on his mind and
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: what was he thinking. You know, I know, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: from being around so many bachelors and so many leads,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: sometimes there is this like undertone of I just can't
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: wait to get to the fantasy suite to release everything
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that's been going on for the last three months. I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: don't you know, yes, it's gonna be great to be intimate,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: but like I have a lot on my mind that
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: is just going to be let go, a lot in
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: my body it's gonna be let go during the fantasy suites.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't get that sense from Gary. And so, you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the question that I can out of answer myself, that
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I know you could answer for us is how does
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: intimacy change maybe from your twenties, thirties to then sixties
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and seven.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I think Gary described it. It's it's softer gentler, sweeter more.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Really you just you you, you really try to be
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: considered of your partner. Right now. I had a little awi,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: so I've got you know, I'm temporary, little temporary, but
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: that's life. So you have to be considered of your partner,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: their feelings and you know, life events and so. But
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Gary came across that, it's it's let's let's be together,
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: let's have pillow talk, let's take a gentle and slow
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: and let's let's go where we want to go. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: there he's very considerate, very thoughtful, very kind, and I
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: really like his attitude.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: And he.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Made it very clear, I'm seventy two, I'm still romantic.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: I'm looking for a romantic partner. So honestly, he handled
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: it so well. Whether or not whatever they did, they
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: were close and it worked for them because Harry seems
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: to be an emotionally caring and considerate partner. So I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: you know, it worked for them.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Leslie asked him, when was the last time you had sex?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: And he said a very long time. We speculated last
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: week with that, assuming that that's what he was going
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: to sort of say that it had been. In my opinion,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I think that it was his wife. After seeing that
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: conversation unfold, do you think that she should have asked
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: him on camera or just waited for that question till
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: the fantasy suites.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Well, the camera theoretically is not supposed to be there.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's there, so we're watching. But they're building
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: a relationship. He asked her to ask him some hard questions.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: That's that's a question that a couple can discuss. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: that's just one of the things that if you're on
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: The Bachelor over your shoulder, but they were in theory,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: they're trying to build a relationship, and that was a
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: valid question and act in new couples coming together sometimes
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: that needs to be you need to have that discussions
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: because that way it gives you enough information so you
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: can be more considered with your partner. You can be
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: more gentle or take it take it slow, whatever they needs.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: But you have to understand each other that way. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: I think it was a very valid question.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: This is coming from a guy who has asked straight
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: up on The bachelor're at if I was a virgin,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And that wasn't a question I was prepared to answer,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: but it was also very important to answer. I think
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: for Caitlin at the time, and would I have preferred
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: her to ask me off camera? I don't know, because,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: as you said, every you kind of at some point
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: have to get over it. You just have to know that, yes,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: you've signed up to get your life exposed on national television.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Earlier on sureI we.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Broke down the episode before we brought you on, kind
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of just giving our overall synopsis of what we experienced
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: watching it. One of the things that I experienced watching
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: it was I felt and my wife felt. She said
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: it actually before I did that. There was it seemed
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: like a distance, a more of a distance between Gary
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and Leslie when they woke up in the morning. Yes,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: they were smiling, but she felt like, hey, he something
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: like he's pushed away a little bit more than he
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: was the night before. Would you agree with that sentiment?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Did you feel that or did you see something different?
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Well, it was interesting because he repeatedly told Leslie that
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: he loved her and he was committed, okay, so that
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: was significant. The next morning when he went to meet
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: with Teresa, his mind was still with Leslie, and I
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: wonder what Leslie's doing right now. So Teresa really had
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: to come from behind because he he was still in
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: the fantasy suite with Leslie and he couldn't get over it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: You know, well it's time for Leslie to leave, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: you know, here comes Teresa. It was it was too
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: fast the switch for him mentally and emotionally. So Teresa
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: had to pull him in emotionally, she had to She
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: had to get his attention to like, hey, big guy,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: let's talk about our future, you know, And she told
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: him she loved you. I mean she she really had
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: to overcome his break that connection, break makes the tra
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: chants with Teresa, and that's where I think she did
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: very very well. So he, I don't know, he had
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: a good time with Teresa. It took him a while to,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: like I said, break out of that mentally, physically emotional
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: bubble he was in with Teresa. But he talked about
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: he would have an exciting life with Leslie. But he
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: and Teresa have that bond and they're connected on a
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: very fundamental basis. And when he spoke up with Teresa
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: said this is the first morning of the rest of
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: my life. Wow, I think that meant a lot.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, I think that's a really good point. I
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: can I can feel that as well, if it weren't
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: for him saying on the date with Teresa that he
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: was in his head about Leslie, then I would have
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: probably made a bigger deal out of that, because it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: still it felt like he was still thinking about her
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: like a lot romantically, and they day. Jamie's Dave see.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: As explaining earlier that the interesting thing to me would
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: be if he was so sold on Leslie going into
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: this week and then all of a sudden his something,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe their connection wasn't what he expected, maybe
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: something was said that he wasn't ready for. Then I
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: would be in my own head too, because he had
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: just told Leslie the night before like you're it, which
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: was a.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Big mistake on I think that he's saying way too
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: much too soon because he's leading one of these ladies on.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But that would also cause you to be in your
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: own head. So you know, for me, I'm looking at
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: as he might have been in his own head for
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: two different reasons. One, yes, his mind was still with Leslie.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But if I had not been necessarily in the I
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: can't think of spending a day with anybody other than her.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: It's might be, Hey, I told her she's the one
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to break her heart.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's an emotional guy, but he you know, he
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: says things that are to me, you're telling he can
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: have an exciting life with Leslie, but he feels safe
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: and bonded to Teresa's.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: So he also said that he, you know, he had
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: his concern about Teresa to begin the date, where it
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, we're always bonding over our spouse is
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: having passed. I need to find out more about her
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: beyond that, because maybe that's just like our only bond.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: That being said, I do almost feel like it's an
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: important I feel like it's maybe a very important bond
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: to have because that's just something that they're going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: have to like having that understanding of each other, not abandoning,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: just still having sad days throughout the year, like oh,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that's the day that my wife passed, and having somebody
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: that like understands that is going to be so critical.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like, and Leslie is very far from understanding that,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: since she never even had like what she thinks is
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: like a great love.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: So my concern about Leslie from the beginning is her
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: two failed marriages have hurt her and she's she's been abused,
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: she's been abandoned, she has her her walls up, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Teresa has that in common with him. They had the
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: long term marriage, they had the love, they lost their spouse,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: So you're right there, there's a disconnect there, and in
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: that way, Teresa is a much better mass match because
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Unlesslie goes into another relationship, she's just going to bring
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: some baggage. She's just she's got it. She's She's mentioned
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: it the whole season, so she's going to bring that
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: baggage in and she has to learn to trust, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Teresa's light years beyond that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: The show is always really good, Sharia giving us little
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: foreshadowing of what is to come, and they sneak it
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: in in weird places, but as a fan like you,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: you usually can pick up on it. And there's a
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: phrase that Leslie says, she goes, I always sabotage it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I always sabotage good things. And it felt like to me,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: that was a weird moment to throw that in unless
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: something is to come, and I am expecting something to
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: come when it comes to the relationship between Gary and Leslie.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: As the season progresses, sure, as we say goodbye to
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you now, is there anything that we didn't ask you about.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Any thoughts on The Golden Bachelor that you'd like to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: share with everybody listening.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: I think the Golden Bachelor's a wonderful idea. They picked
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: the right guy. America of women of all ages have
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: fallen in love with Harry, and so I hope that continues.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: It's just been great fun, and it's been great fun
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: talking with you guys. Thank you so much.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Man, you are pro at interviews.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks Sherry Suri, thank you. All right, Ben, final wager
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: before we sign off. We have two weeks until we
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: find out who Gary picks. Who do you think is
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: going to be?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I've ridden the Teresa train for a long time, and
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: it's too late in the season to get off of it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I was shocked that she got by last week,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: and now I'm starting to feel more fifty to fifty
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: hilariously on her versus Leslie.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Ashley cannot believe that you're not sold out yet.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I am so convinced with the way the story is
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: being being unfold in front of her eyes that Teresa
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and Gary will be there in the end. I will
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: say this as a thought. Somebody's been there, somebody's walked
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: through it with real life. He has a lot of
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: explaining to do, and he has a lot of probably
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: after watching this episode specifically, he's going to have a
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: lot of things that need to be undone that you
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: cannot undo necessarily without a lot of work, a lot
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: of communication, a lot of validation. I think he's I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be a really hard episode for
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: really whoever is with him at the end to watch Ben.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: We love Gary, right, America loves Gary. If this was
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: a thirty year old guy saying all this stuff, would
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: he be able to get away with this?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: No? No shot, no shot?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean maybe I kind of did the similar
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: a similar thing, right, He didn't.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Milk it, So you didn't say it so so much
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: so many times.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if I got away with it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think I didn't, And you didn't.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: You said it so much more simply, and you didn't
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: get away with it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I'm worried about Gary, but here's the thing, I've been
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: there and I can't I'm not mad at him for this.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I know his emotions are all over the place, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I know he's saying what he's feeling, and I know
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: he's to being as honest and as authentic as he
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: can with who he's with. I'm not mad at him
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: for it. I'm not angry at Gary. I don't have
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: any ill will towards Gary. I don't think he means
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to be doing what he's doing. I will just say
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Gary's in trouble. He's in big trouble, and it can't
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: be easy in whatever household he's now spending his time in.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: But I will say I do feel like both these
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: ladies will be far more forgiving than maybe a lady
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: of her twenties or thirties.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's a part that is worth Yeah, definitely
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: considering is the partner in this is probably saying I
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: get it, I get it, You're doing your best. Hey,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: it's going to be an incredible, incredible couple. Well really,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: one more episode, Yeah, one more episode we get next
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: week off. It's obviously the holidays, we're going to be
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: celebrating the holidays, and then the next week I am
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: going to be on the edge of my seat to
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: see how this plays out. Neither of us know, but
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: we have our intuitions. I'm gonna be sad to see
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: it go ash It's fired me up in a way
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I haven't been fired up before.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be sad to see this version of you
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: gone to I.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Don't know if we'll ever get it again. Yeah, and
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: hopefully we will.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: As we discussed in the past couple of weeks, we
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: have no idea if it'll be renewed again. Ratings wise,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: it certainly should be, but it'll be up to the creators,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: so maybe we'll get more word in two weeks. Until then,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Love you guys, Thank you so much.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: I've been Ashley and I've been Ben.
• 48:21
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