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3 Guys Before The Game - Rich Rodriguez Returns - Spot The Ball v2 · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up. It's time, ladies and gentlemen for three
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  Speaker 1: guys before the game. It's episode six hundred. That's memorable
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  Speaker 1: in itself, but perhaps even more memorable than six zero
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  Speaker 1: zero is an historic chapter in West Virginia's athletics history,
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  Speaker 1: the rehiring of Rich Rodriguez as the mountaineers thirty sixth
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  Speaker 1: head football coach. We will break it down from a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different angles coming up on the program, textual
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  Speaker 1: healing as well a little basketball in addition to that.
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  Speaker 1: But we're here, the Senator that way, the Dean that way.
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  Speaker 1: We're all in. It's three guys before the game. Nice
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  Speaker 1: to have you here, felas good to be.
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  Speaker 2: Here, ma'am.
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  Speaker 3: Is it really episode six hundred?
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  Speaker 1: This is it episode six hundred?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a chance you screwed up the numbering somehow though.
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  Speaker 3: It could be like six twenty five, could be five
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  Speaker 3: to seventy two somewhere in there.
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  Speaker 1: Fair short answers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it's like when they spot the ball
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  Speaker 2: in a football game. That's close, close enough, it's close.
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  Speaker 2: No move it moved a little bit once way you
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  Speaker 2: move it.
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  Speaker 1: let's do this thing, jump right on end. I mean
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  Speaker 1: this is one of those Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Did you title the episode?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? I should have no, No, I titled it? What
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  Speaker 1: did I title it? Let me see, we just sent
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  Speaker 1: that off to the sent that off to.
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  Speaker 2: The GRAPHO could have been the title could have been
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  Speaker 2: right or oh my god, yeah you know with an
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  Speaker 2: exclamation point, Yeah, you could do that.
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  Speaker 1: It's uh. The name of the show is Rich Rodriguez
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  Speaker 1: returns hyphen Spot the ball V two Version two, Version two,
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  Speaker 1: Spot the ball.
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  Speaker 2: All right, you could have been quote the Bible, he
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  Speaker 2: was lost and now he's found.
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  Speaker 1: You could. Yeah, there's a lot of references that are
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  Speaker 1: being thrown around here, old Testament and new So so
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  Speaker 1: how do you put this into context? Because the great
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  Speaker 1: question it broke last night when we were on the
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  Speaker 1: air doing sports Line, and it literally does take you
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  Speaker 1: back in so many different ways, and it takes you
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  Speaker 1: up back as well. You can't script what we're seeing unfold.
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  Speaker 1: And for all of those reasons and many many more,
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  Speaker 1: whether you like the decision or don't like this decision,
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  Speaker 1: what it is, and it's undeniable that it is truly
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  Speaker 1: from a from a distance, it's a fascinating story. It's
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  Speaker 1: a fascinating story. Take this could be happening somewhere else,
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  Speaker 1: but from a from us story wise, this is like
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  Speaker 1: whoa like it's it's it's a movie esque type thing. So, well,
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  Speaker 1: that being said, rat how do we start these shows?
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  Speaker 3: Happy is obvious obvious observations without a sponsor, but still.
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  Speaker 1: Still and thank you happy. You're on holiday right now,
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  Speaker 1: and so you've come in to work and we do
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, every time I go on holiday, a coach gets
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  Speaker 2: hired or fired. So it just in fact, I think
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  Speaker 2: I was on break when Rich took the Michigan job.
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  Speaker 2: But that's another time.
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  Speaker 1: Tony.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, except that when you say you
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  Speaker 2: can't write the script, actually this is the script that
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  Speaker 2: has always written in literature. This is a literary this
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  Speaker 2: is this is a as you said, this is a
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  Speaker 2: great story, whether it's a great hire TVA tovd. But
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  Speaker 2: this is a great story because it's the basis of
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  Speaker 2: every story.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: What I mean by that is whether you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: movies or literature, there is a someone who is the hero,
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  Speaker 2: who's the focus of the story. And this would have
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  Speaker 2: been Rich, you know, twenty years ago and the return
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  Speaker 2: of the Prodigal Sun when he comes back Brad and
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  Speaker 2: takes over for Don Neelan As returns home to West Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: becomes the head coach, has great success and then fails spectacularly,
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  Speaker 2: dude to circumstances, some circumstances beyond his control and some
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  Speaker 2: because of his own failings. So the hero fails and
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  Speaker 2: is cast out, is cast out, and while he is
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  Speaker 2: wandering in the wilderness. He continues to coach, he picks up,
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  Speaker 2: maybe learned some lessons, regrets as regrets for how things went.
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  Speaker 2: And then then as the story goes, he gets a chance,
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  Speaker 2: He gets a chance to come back. He gets a
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  Speaker 2: chance at what at redemption, at redemption and we love
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  Speaker 2: those stories and so much literature. Think of Jean Valjean
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  Speaker 2: in Les Miserab or in Gladiator or all these things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a chance to come back, and so part
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  Speaker 2: of this story is written, the part of being initially heroic,
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  Speaker 2: then being cast out, then coming back. Now you have
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  Speaker 2: to wait and see how this story ends the final chapters. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I think that he will set the stage forward with
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  Speaker 2: asking for forgiveness, saying by saying two things. One is
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  Speaker 2: I think he'll say, on a professional level, worst decision
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  Speaker 2: I ever made leaving West Virginia went a mission. On
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  Speaker 2: a personal level, I regret the way I handled that decision.
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  Speaker 2: So I expect him to say that tomorrow. I expect
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  Speaker 2: him to say that repeatedly. And that's the start of
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  Speaker 2: the Redemption tour. And then it's about what do you win?
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  Speaker 2: Do you win? But if you are if you do,
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  Speaker 2: then and.
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  Speaker 1: By the way.
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  Speaker 2: In literature usually you do the hero wins at ending
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  Speaker 2: happy ending. In real life not so often. But you
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  Speaker 2: got a chance here. You got a shot at at
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  Speaker 2: what is already a fascinating story being a great story.
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  Speaker 2: You got a chance. I'm anxious to see how it
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  Speaker 2: plays out.
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  Speaker 3: A couple things. One he will say exactly that as
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  Speaker 3: he did on this program a few years ago. Rich
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  Speaker 3: was a guest on this program and said those two
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  Speaker 3: things right there, So I think, right he'll reiterate this.
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  Speaker 3: I won't go as highbrow as Hoppy did with Ley
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  Speaker 3: Miz and the story. I mean that area.
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  Speaker 1: I never saw that one.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get into lay Miss did not see that
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  Speaker 3: coming up on the show. But I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: A staple in Riches Mac Tour events over time was
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  Speaker 3: the reference to the Lion King. Talking about the hit
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  Speaker 3: the Lion King on that said why'd you do that?
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  Speaker 3: And he said, I don't like to look back, I
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  Speaker 3: like to look forward. Lion King pretty appropriate here.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Simba, Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Simba was king of the was going to be king
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  Speaker 3: of the jungle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Cast out out went away, Yeah, traversed around the wilderness
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  Speaker 3: for a long time and then returned to the Kingdom.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, well you guys are getting heavy and.
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  Speaker 3: Assumed the mantle, right right, So no, lay miss, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, but I do. Lion King Watch King a bunch.
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  Speaker 3: We got a Lion King reference here, and it's one
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  Speaker 3: of Rich's favorite shows.
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  Speaker 1: That's because fair. Was that fair? Absolutely fair?
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  Speaker 2: Whether it's The Lion King or Ley Miz or A
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful Life or or what was I thinking another one
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  Speaker 2: Christmas whatever, it's the basis of most literature.
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  Speaker 3: So which is what makes it what you said an
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  Speaker 3: unbelievable story, not just here. You called it last time
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  Speaker 3: on Sportsline biggest sports story in West Virginia since you've
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  Speaker 3: been covering it in forty years.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's hyperbole by you. I think that's accurate.
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  Speaker 3: This is a massive story. This is a national story.
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  Speaker 3: You like to say, are you nationally relevant? What's the attraction?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: There you go, right, You're a story today across all
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  Speaker 3: of college sports. Let me say something else here too.
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  Speaker 3: This also isn't as deep as what Kerchival went. But
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  Speaker 3: I often say on this show, hop you're allowed to
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  Speaker 3: enjoy this stuff. Yeah, right, you should enjoy this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I have to say going back over the last
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  Speaker 3: twelve hours and watching entrance videos and seeing old pictures
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  Speaker 3: and seeing United Bank commercials that we spent hours from
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  Speaker 3: that we spent hours upon hours filming with Rich and
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of fun. To Hafey, yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 3: kind of fun. It's been fun to relive what was
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  Speaker 3: a magical time in mountaineer sport and mountaineer football. Now
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  Speaker 3: the question of can you recapture that magic magic, that's
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  Speaker 3: a whole nother conversation, and we can have that conversation
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  Speaker 3: and we'll have that conversation in the coming months and
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  Speaker 3: coming years. But I will say right now, short term,
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  Speaker 3: if you're looking for some fun, and I know there's
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  Speaker 3: a percentage of the base that isn't happy here. I
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  Speaker 3: know there's still a divided fan base, but there I
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  Speaker 3: did have some fun over the last twelve hours looking
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  Speaker 3: at some of that stuff and going back and remembering
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  Speaker 3: some of those good times. I thought about the two
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  Speaker 3: of us. I've said the story before, the two of
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  Speaker 3: us hoppy when we would get on a bus to
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  Speaker 3: a road game back then, instead of hashing.
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  Speaker 1: Aren't what do you have to do here?
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  Speaker 3: Who're gonna get the ball? How they get a round.
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  Speaker 3: We would literally sit on the bus as we'd pull
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  Speaker 3: up the clarks preader and say what are we gonna
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  Speaker 3: do for food? Where were we gonna eat? Because it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a question. You were going to go down and hammer.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody right right, right, right right.
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  Speaker 3: Those were fun times. That was an enjoyable time period.
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  Speaker 3: Even with all the craziness and chaos that was going around.
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  Speaker 3: That was a fun time period. Yeah, it's been fun
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  Speaker 3: to reminisce. That's my point.
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  Speaker 1: You went lay Miz, you went lion King. Do we
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  Speaker 1: also have a little bit of hoosiers here? Do we
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  Speaker 1: have a little hoosiers in the sense that in the
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  Speaker 1: sense that he lost his job right because he lost
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  Speaker 1: his mind at that one school and had to resurrect
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  Speaker 1: himself and then he came back Dennis Hopper character, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he comes back, well this was the Norton. He might
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  Speaker 1: punch somebody and then he comes back to a different
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  Speaker 1: and he resurrects himself right and he and he ultimately
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  Speaker 1: he wins the things. So I think it's got all
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 3: Dennis Hopper's character cand of do the same thing within.
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  Speaker 1: The as well.
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  Speaker 2: He did he fell off the wagon, played pick of fence,
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  Speaker 2: So just a bunch of random wild thoughts too.
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  Speaker 1: So what's also and again, there's an infinite number of
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  Speaker 1: intriguing storylines that still have to develop, and one is
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  Speaker 1: can you get back to a high level of winning.
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  Speaker 1: So Rich won sixty nine percent of his games while
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  Speaker 1: he was here, which is really really good, Okay, really good.
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  Speaker 1: So historically, and I went through these numbers last night
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  Speaker 1: when coaches have returned, and it's happened seven times that
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  Speaker 1: I can tell in the Power four or five in
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  Speaker 1: the last fifty years, it's happened seven times. And only
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  Speaker 1: one of those coaches won more percentage wise than the
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  Speaker 1: first time they were there, and that was Mike Riley,
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  Speaker 1: who had to win more because the first time was
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  Speaker 1: there he won thirty six percent. He goes back and
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  Speaker 1: he wins in the mid fifties. So Bill Snyder was
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  Speaker 1: the closest. He went sixty six as first stint at
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  Speaker 1: Kansas State, sixty one percent his second stint. And I
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  Speaker 1: think you would you would take that. So the question
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  Speaker 1: is that historically it says you don't do as well.
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Majors went back to pitt and absolutely tanked it,
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  Speaker 1: and Randy Etzel went back to Connecticut and tanked it,
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  Speaker 1: and there's other guys that had this modern of success.
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  Speaker 1: What I think here is is this, among those seven
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  Speaker 1: other guys that have done it, Mac Brown did it,
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  Speaker 1: is this They didn't come back with all of the
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  Speaker 1: drama and all of the ill feelings that Rich left with.
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  Speaker 1: I think Rich comes back and he's not back here
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  Speaker 1: to coach like those other guys went back to say
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this another run three or four years.
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  Speaker 1: I think he comes back in like absolutely illuminated to
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  Speaker 1: do one thing, and that's to show you that the
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  Speaker 1: first time Number one was no joke, and I'm better
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  Speaker 1: than I was the first time. And I know the
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  Speaker 1: league's tougher. I get that there's no more Rutgers. With
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  Speaker 1: all due respect to Rutgers and all the due respect
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  Speaker 1: to the others, Guls, I know that. I think he
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  Speaker 1: comes back with his own hard edge that he preaches
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  Speaker 1: constantly that his team has to have. He will have
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  Speaker 1: a new hard edge, and he's gonna be like one thing.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't here. I'm here to win well, which I like.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you, and I said the hobby. I
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  Speaker 3: said this on Sports Sign last night. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a really interesting dynamic. Heres used to continue to look
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  Speaker 3: at storylines, and it's along what Tony just said. There,
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  Speaker 3: you got early Rich beginning his coaching career right. The
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  Speaker 3: hard edge was evident. That was the style of play.
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  Speaker 3: It fit perfectly with the brand that fans wanted to see.
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  Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, you had super high level success.
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  Speaker 3: But you got Rich on a climb, right. You got
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  Speaker 3: him ready to what's next. I'm gonna win a national title?
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  Speaker 3: What's coming next? It was always what's next with Rich?
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  Speaker 3: You got him very hungry and motivated because he was
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  Speaker 3: starting his head coaching career. I think that still exists.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with Tony on that. I think you now get
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  Speaker 3: end of the career Rich, right. Who knows how many
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  Speaker 3: jobs are left after this? If any, this is probably it,
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  Speaker 3: And I think you're gonna get Rich coming in here
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  Speaker 3: highly motivated for the exact reasons Tony said, and getting
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  Speaker 3: after it right from day one, to write some past
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  Speaker 3: wrongs and to get back to a previous level to
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  Speaker 3: where he views himself and where he wants to be
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  Speaker 3: and where he wants this program to be.
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  Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I agree completely with both of you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: And here's another aspect of this is that rich Rodriguez,
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of us, is still a West Virginian. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's rooted in West Virginia. He really hasn't been able
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  Speaker 2: to come back. He has come back because he still
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  Speaker 2: has family here, but it's different because of the way
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  Speaker 2: he left. My understanding is that part of the motivation
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  Speaker 2: of wanting to coach and wanting to coach here again
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  Speaker 2: is to be able to come back and set things right.
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  Speaker 2: And he gets an opportunity to do that. And you
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  Speaker 2: know what, if you got any if you have any
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  Speaker 2: self awareness at all, you realize the significance of that opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: which usually doesn't come usually does not come correct, but
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  Speaker 2: you got it this time due to a variety of circumstances,
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  Speaker 2: which we'll talk about. And I think he's probably I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure he's self aware enough to recognize. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he would have gotten the offer. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he would have gotten the job if he
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  Speaker 2: was not able to convince Rin Baker and Gordon Gee
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  Speaker 2: that he was self aware about everything that has happened
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  Speaker 2: and about what he needs to do going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into how we got to this point,
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  Speaker 1: or as best we can do, the figure out the
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  Speaker 1: outline as to how did it come because Rich was
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  Speaker 1: not the very first name on the list. But oftentimes,
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  Speaker 1: as we see in coaching searches, things happened during the
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  Speaker 1: search and it comes to Hey, this is going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But first I've got to tell you. But as a
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  Speaker 1: West Virginian, I don't have this confirmed, and it may
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  Speaker 1: be the first time that I say something on this
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  Speaker 1: program that's unconfirmed, probably, But I've got a pretty good feeling, Brad,
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  Speaker 1: that Rich Rodriguez has had a tutor's biscuit. Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure sure, And when he comes back, I'm going to
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: tell him about the Tutor's biscuit. Because last March thirty
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  Speaker 1: and Gun magazine, and they won themselves a World's championship
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  Speaker 1: with the Tutor's biscuit. There it is, there's the brackets.
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  Speaker 1: There's the brackets. Don't know if BUCkies is on there
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  Speaker 1: not lined up beat BUCkies laughed at them and they
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  Speaker 2: but Tutor's biscuit.
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  Speaker 1: No, you're exactly. I'm glad you're on top of that
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  Speaker 1: movie on it, and don't forget as we head towards
• 16:35
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• 16:38
  Speaker 1: on the twelfth. There's not that many days left, nineteen
• 16:42
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• 17:01
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• 17:17
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• 17:18
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• 17:20
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• 17:22
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• 17:27
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• 17:30
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• 17:32
  Speaker 1: all those merry rewards. Have yourself a big time. That's
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Tuesday coming up, Tuesday, triple points. I won't be in.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Just get three cents off a gallon with your app there,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: So I'll just take that today.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Hop you can do that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I'll take today.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I gotta get gas. I'm down, well, I gotta get gas.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: You know, your food management and your gas management about the.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Same and horrific lately this this Christmas season. I'll tell
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you what you need more junk?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: How did we get to where we are? What's your
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: What is your take?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: My take is the following that you you started with
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Rin Baker, hoping that you didn't get blown out of
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech and that you could find a way to
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: keep Neil Brown. You start there, so I don't know
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: where he was in the with that infamous list everybody
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: supposedly has in the desk. Droyer whatever.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: We know he's.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Analytical, we know they he had probably had zoom calls
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: with more than a dozen individuals. We know the names
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: of some of those individuals when they got down to
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the to the in person interviews, and then things just
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: start to happen. I mean the Barry Otum thing. West
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Virginia can't pay a coach six million.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Dollars you talk about wow, that was a wow producer
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: dropping six and a half million. Six year thirty nine
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: million reportedly paid the buyout as well.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean that's just like, okay, well that's
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: off the table. You can't do You can't match that,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you can't do that. Chadwell, I guess is staying at
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Liberty some roll staying at Tulane and Tulane, I know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: not a power for pretty good job, good job, pretty
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: good jumping off point for the next job. Someonell's staying there. Munkin.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: We heard a lot about Munkin and obviously a great coach,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: but there were gonna be questions. I mean, it hasn't
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: done the nil runs. The bone hasn't worked in the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: transfer portal, so not questioning is coaching ability, but just
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: there was some things there that were untested. You know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the heartline thing out of Ohio State, that was early on.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: But that kind of disabout was sort of in and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: out early. I know I got attention late, but I
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: think that was in and out early. So Cotal Nicky.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I think they visited with codl NICKI. I don't know
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: what the story was there. I'm not sure if Anthony
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Beck never got a serious look. I'm not sure. So
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that those are the nuggets I have on the coaching search.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And as an athletic director, and not necessarily specific to
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: West Virginia, but like you have this thing, you have
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: to make a decision internally, do I hire a coordinator
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: or do I hire a guy that's already coached. And
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's tough to eat that hurdle and you go like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I know this person. I know one thing. This person
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: can absolutely call plays, whether it's offense or defense. But
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: this is so much more than that. That's why I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: think sometimes athletic directors go like, Okay, what do I do?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And then they look across the landscape, and a lot
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of time coordinators they don't make it let's just take
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a look a little bit here. Who's been really successful
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve of late Matt Campbell right previous
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: head coaching experience, Chris Kleiman incredible head coaching experience. Lance
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Leipold comes to the Big twelve head coaching experience. Willie Fritz,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the new head coach at Houston coached head coaching experience.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, like, this is not a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: league where oftentimes coordinators come in and have a great
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: level of success, okay, And I think sometimes ads look
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: at and go, okay, I want a guy that at
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: least has sat in the big seat, that's done all
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of the things that are required the head coach, rather
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: than having a coordinator come in who again could be
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic and have him learn on the job at
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: this level because there's just too much at stake if
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you don't win.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: There were questions, So every name you just mentioned there
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: were significant questions around and that's one of those we talked.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: One of the great challenges in hiring a football coach.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: That variance between known and unknown is the biggest gap
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: of any of the sports. The job is different at
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: every level. It is not your head football coach at
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a G five and a power forest. It's different jobs.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: The management part alone is different. The management of Jeff
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Monkin going from Army to here. There were significant questions.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Although you talk to football people, they rave about Jeff Munkin, right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: but nobody's pulled the trigger on Jeff Mounkin for a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: lot of things. You mentioned there just to name one name.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So every candidate or every name that came up, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: there were more people that were talked to than names
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: that came up publicly in this. Everybody had a question,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: here's what you do know about rich And are there questions?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: And it mostly comes around the drama of the departure
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and the feelings. And I totally understand that. I get
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that there's a portion of the base that may never
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: come around. I get that there's a portion of the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: base that is not there now but will come back
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: on board if the wins follow. I totally understand that
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: people feel how they want to feel. Here's what you
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: do know. If I'm ren and I'm sitting down and
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I'm doing a search and I'm looking for the boxes
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to check, here's what I know sitting head coach, right,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: got it? And we know Reren's preference is a sitting
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: head coach, and he said so publicly in his press conference.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Coordinators weren't off the board, but for a lot of
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: reasons that he outlined, head coaches were the preference. So
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: he's got that. Now you're not only a sitting head coach,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: but have you had success at multiple places? There's no
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: doubt here, right as a head coach. Go all the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: way back to Glenville, right, and then you can go
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: to his coordinator spots at Tulane and Clemson, which he did.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: He won at Michigan, guys. I mean, that's the thing
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: that was a bad fit for him. That was a
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: bad fit for Rich to go there in the first place.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: But if you look what was happening there, he leaves,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Brady Hope comes in year one, wins what eleven or
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: twelve games or whatever they did there, had a great year.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Then goes to Arizona, got them a conference championship, goes
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: to Jacksonville State, got them a conference championship. I don't
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: know that there's many questions surrounding Rich's football acumen. The
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: guy has won and been successful everywhere he's been. So
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: if you just look at that particular profile and box
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: if you're searching for a head coach, I don't know
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: how you can't be intrigued by that. That's number one.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Number two.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: This isn't mandatory, but I do think it helps if
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you can get it. Knows the terrain, knows the job
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: here intimately well, knows the challenges that come with the job,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: knows the people around the job extremely well. Again, that's
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: not a deal breaker, but if you can get that
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: with the other thing, okay, that's pretty attractive. And then
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the third piece, if some of the stuff being said
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: publicly that you know about, I'm going to assume there's
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: some stuff privately. When it comes to the financial side
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: of things. If there's a financial piece to this from
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: some of the folks that have said they're going to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: give a financial piece, well that's a hell of a
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: bonus too. And I don't know that that automatically comes
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: with every other candidate on the front end. It would
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: have got with wins Hop. But you couple that with
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: what the university is stepping up and doing financially, stepping up,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: with the schedule changing a little bit, I think you've
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: got some things that fit and the schedule is going
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: to change regardless of the coach was, but head coach
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: experience and success, knowing the job and its challenges intimately
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and being able to tackle those head on, and getting
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: some extra financial incentive if in fact that part comes
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to fruition.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Those are three.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Pretty big boxes you're checking right there. I think that
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: would be the case Ren will make for why you
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: go for Rich Rodriguez.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're on point. A couple things to
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: add to that. One is financially, we don't know the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: terms of the deal yet. We'll find it out, but
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I think what you'll find out is it's a manageable amount. Okay,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that you're not going to have to pay six million dollars.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: You don't want them to be the lowest paid coach
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, but you don't have to pay
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: them six million dollars. And you can probably manage the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: buy out a little bit more economical in favor of
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the university. So that is a part to consider. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: also Rich, and you know this from working with them,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and I know it when he was here the first time.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Rich is good with the public. Rich is good. Rich
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: has a I mean he has a we've seen after
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: losses some of his dark side, but he can he
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: can turn it on. And he has a big personality.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: He when he walks into a room, he can work
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the room. He'll be good with donors, he'll be good
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: with the public. He's gotten probably even gotten better at that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So that that's a win too, you know.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And here perhaps is a win or a benefit that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it will be difficult to quantify. And that is the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: entire Pat McAfee factor. So what you just did by
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: making this higher is that. And I don't think Pat
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: was the catalyst or the sole reason why this happened.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I don't, not saying that at all. But one of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the benefits of having Pat and the role and the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: prominence that he plays in the space right now is
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that this becomes a basic infomercial for West Virginia University
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: football going forward. And that cannot be quantified. The value
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of that cannot be quantified. But if Pat says to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: his tribe, West Virginia football is cool and this flying
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: WV is cool, there will be those that will say
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that's cool. I'm in, and they'll follow. And that doesn't
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: necessarily be in the state of West Virginia. He will
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: bring a cool factor to it. There's no doubt, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you guys will think about this rich I wouldn't be stunned,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: will be a regular on the Pat McAfee show. You
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: can't put a value to that when it comes to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: your brand and you're recruiting. I think that's a separator
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that normally West Virginia would not be able to move
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that needle.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I agree with you on that too. I would just
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: say that I'll go back to stating the obvious. You
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: gotta win in games, man, I mean you've got because
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: if you if you don't, if you're not successful, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what the I don't know
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: what the length of.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: The rope is here.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: You got to hold it. Hold a rope pop.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But well, you know what I'm saying. I mean, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: don't know what people will expect the first year or
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the second year. I'm not I don't know what that's
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: going to be, but it's gonna be. If you're not
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: successful reasonably early, then it's how many people going to
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I told you not to bring him back? And if
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you are successful, how many people so I told you
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: should bring him back? So I mean, what year, what
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: do you got a year and a half years, two years?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Two years to show?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you have two, you might have
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to go next. I mean it might there might not
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: be any grace period anymore. You might have to win.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: But let's say this, So the the financial piece that
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I was talking about, there, I couple that exposure in
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: on the financial piece. It's not just people that Rich
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: is close to that you go to and say, okay,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: we need we need some.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Men eyel money.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Because that you talk about part of the job being different,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: there's a part of the jobs different, right.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: The recruiting, which Rich has clearly been good at, is
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: aided by the dollars you have to me. That's where
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: the Pat McAfee show part of this comes in. Is
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the exposure to the recruiting to help you. That's that's
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: where on the front and hot, before you worry about
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: what the expectations or wins are, you get a running
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: start with that. I mean, heck, take what pac Man
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: did last night on Twitter. Now I'm not even sure
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: this is legal, but as we say, I don't even
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: know if there's rules either. No r but packs already
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: packs already said any defensive back next year with more
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: than two interceptions, it gets one hundred K in a game. Yeah, no,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I think just that might be season wise. I don't
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: know that he put a disclaimer on there.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You're better not put that toward Charles Fisher. Charles Fisher
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: walk out there a rich Man.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Well I don't. He said no cap too, So I
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: think it just goes up. But again, whether that actually
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: comes to fists or can you I don't even.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Not sure you can do that. But here's the point.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Here's what it did for hundreds of thousands of views.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: It got some attention from one of the all time
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: great players here and a guy that draws a lot
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: of attention when he goes out and talks, and pac
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Man Jones. Right, So those are things that you you
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have under any other candidate that we've just mentioned
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: on this desk. That does come with Rich. Does that
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: guarantee a conference title?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: It does not.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Does that guarantee nine wins year? It does not, but
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: it gives you a heck of a start moving forward.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: In what is the most critical part of this program.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: We spend all our time on Rich. You go get players,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and when Rich has had great players, particularly at quarterback.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: What has happened? What has happened when a really good
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: coach is combined with really good players? What happens?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a lectric.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, go back, go back to quarterbacks.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Glennville scott Otis played for the national check quarterback.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Jed was pretty good too, right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Jed was very good. But scott Otis played for the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: national championship.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Sean King, Shawn King, Clemson, would road Danzler go to
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: West Virginia, Rashid Pat just go down the list, right, successful,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: you go to Michigan Shoelaces. I wonder if Rich can
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: you get that record taken away?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: We could ask them about that, We could ask him
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: He's got to get rid of that record. I agree
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: that kid was a great player, Yes, but he moved
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: a unning back and got yards accumulated as a quarterback
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: and knocked Pat out of the all time quarterback rusher
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: bad rightful champion in that horrific goes to Arizona. Kalil
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Tate goes to Jacksonville State. His quarterback this year was outstanding.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So recruiting in Okay, Now we've talked about the rich stuff.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Now you move quickly into we'll talk about staff, and then.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: You go get dudes.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: You gotta get dudes. And if Rich goes and gets
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: dudes combined with his x'es and o's, I think you're
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: going to win at a really high rate. And that
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: could have gone under your hobbies obvious.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Observation, so I realize.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: So here's how this thing happens, and it's going to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: happen really quickly. So we're recording Thursday afternoon. Rich is
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: going to be introduced Tomorrow afternoon at one thirty. Pat
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: McAfee is going to do his show from the coliseum
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and he's going to be singing West Virginia football praises
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: right for that. So do you understand where we are
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: right now in this transfer portal. These kids that are
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: on the current team have a couple of weeks in
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: order to make I'm going to stay or I'm going
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to go, And then all of those others that are
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in the portal right now or considering going into the portal,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they're looking around. Now. Tomorrow you're gonna get this unbelievable
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: catalyst of explosion of West Virginia football, and Rich is
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: gonna go on Pat show and he's gonna say, if
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you're a player and you want to play, he goes,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: we got him, come on over here. Now you know
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: who else is going to be able to do that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: on a national level. No one can do that. Rich
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: is gonna be Rich. I'm sure. I'm guessing. I don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: know if he is. I'm sure he is. I'm guessing
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he is. He'll be at the bowl game next Tuesday
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and he'll be down on the sideline and they'll bring
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: him over for the ESPN interview and they're gonna say,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: coach online, you're watching, you're watching your team right here.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: What do you think? And he's gonna put out another
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: sales pitch and all the people that are on that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: fence of going into the Portlin going, you know what,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good. He's got Pat mcaf he's really cool
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and at that thing West Virginia think and they got it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: These this next seven to ten days will be massive
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: of getting the single most important thing you need in
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: your program, and that's more better players, dudes, more better players.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I'm having deja vus. We're gonna have a lot of
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: da javu. Because I was at that Bowl game two
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: in the booth. Rich was there, succeeding don neeln and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: this now, well.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I told Tony last night, I mean, I know we've
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: got to do our show Tuesday, but I might not
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: be available Hobby because during that high sideline interview he
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: was talking about that was one of my first duties
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: with Rich. Got him from the suite. He and I
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: walked through the bowels of the Tennessee Titan Stadium. We
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: walked down to the walked out the tunnel. I can
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: picture it like a happened esay, walked out of the tunnel.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: There's a sideline reporter. I said, here's coach Rich Rodriguez. Rich,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: this is and I can't remember who the reporter was.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Stepped up, did the interview. We got done.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: We walked back up to the Yeah, but back in
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the suek deja vu it is?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And Don was like twenty what was that twenty four
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: years ago? When no, it was it and they were preparing, Yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: twenty two, they're preparing for the Bowl game. Rich had
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: an office in the press box and Don was still
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: downstairs coaching. Rich is in the press box making phone calls,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: putting his staff together, trying to get players. And I'll
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: tell you this later today when Rich walks through the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: facilities facilities buildy that's twenty four years ago, through the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: pushcar center, like, he's going to go like, what in
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the hell?
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not familiar.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: He will get lost and he will walk in He'll go,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: wait a second, the doors are they move the doorhere's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the doors? How do I get in here? And he'll
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: go in there, and I think he will be mind blown.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: He will be mind blown as to what that building
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: has become.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Are he won't be able to find Laurie's desk.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: No, And what's going to be neat is I know Ross,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: good old Ross mar our buddy p one listener here
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to the show. He's on the plane bringing him back,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and so he's going to videotable this. I want to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: see Rich's reaction when he walks into that building for
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the first time and goes, oh my goodness, because it's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things have changed within that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: football program, and he will get a while when he
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: walks in there today.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: You know, it's I'm just thinking the year before it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: all fell apart was the year that he had the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Alabama job? Is that right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Correct?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Right? And I remember being at the Pushcar Center facilities
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: building team meeting and I remember some of the players
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: coming out. I heard a roar and some of the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: players coming out, and he's staying. And remember the sense
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: of relief, like this coach just turned down Alabama to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: stay at West Virginia, even though there's some question he
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: might have more interested in that job.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: It turned out to be a seminal moment in the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: college football lands.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Ye, Nick Saban, they did it pretty.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Good with their next hire, but always a West Virginia connection. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And then the following year was a great year in
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the pick game. And and but it wasn't just losing
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the pit game. It was then the way he left
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and then the lawsuits because didn't want he didn't want
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to pay the buyout, and the legal fight and the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: things that came out and the legal fight it got
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it got really ugly. I mean, it was tantamount to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: an ugly divorce and ugly and after an ugly divorce,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: there's hard feelings and it's hard to get past that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: And for some folks it'll be hard to get passed
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: or never get passed. Yeah, because of the hard feelings.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: But West Virginia. What do we love in West Virginia?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: What do we love more than anything in West Virginia?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: We love it when a West Virginian is successful.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mind blowing when you think Tony Gibson's the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: head coach at Marshall Rich is back at West Virginia.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I begain. Like I said at the start, you can't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: make this stuff up. You can't make this stuff up.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Staff now is going to be interesting. Who comes back,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: who's back in? You know, the kind of round like
• 35:34
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• 35:37
  Speaker 1: in that car, got the big speaker on the top
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of the old cop car and they keep stopping a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: different place and going we're putting the band back together,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: like how many guys rejoin the band? How many guys
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: rejoin the band?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Good question, because he's got a bunch of West Virginia
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: guys with West Virginia ties currently on staff. But there'll
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: be some new folks as well. There's another little element
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: to who will be joining that will get to and
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested, you said you. Basically you're announcing his staff.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm announcing his staff. But you know what's different
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  Speaker 3: about the job of the many things. What you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Open, portal wide open.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Well, well, I mean he had some success. Yeah, Oh
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: they had some dudes.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: You're talking about a James Madison type thing.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not thirteen guys, thirteen.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: All due respect to jackson I'll state I'm sorry.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, what does that mean. I'm sorry for what.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry about me.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I just it's part of the landscape. Now, it's sorry
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: for them.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Over under Signetti took thirteen over under under? What's the number?
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: That's that's a good question. I wish i'd thought about
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: that before. Right this second, I'm going to give it
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: six six and a half.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I was thinking that, but I'm going to go one
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: more seven and a half. I think you're which side
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: which side on the seven and a half?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe under? I don't know they were successful. So I
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: was just doing some numbers. I'm just looking through something.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: That's what this is. It's a segment about numbers.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. Jacksonville State had a at A
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: team eighty two point four coverage grade very good.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: In coverage and what was West Virginia not good in coverage?
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Third best in Conference USA twenty third best in all
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: of G five. Huh five. The highest graded defenders on
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: that entire team were defensive backs, two safeties, three corners.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I mean one of those safeties. Two of the cornerbacks
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: have eligibility left. I don't know anything beyond that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: We common I don't know.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything beyond that. Maybe they're not of interest,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Maybe they don't want to play for Rich anymore. Maybe
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Rich doesn't want them.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I do not know.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: One of the safeties too.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Of the cornerbacks have eligibility hobby.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Offensive side of the ball, fifth best overall offensive grade
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: in G five for Rich, There which no surprise, right, Hoby,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: What have we said when he has a quarterback that
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: is productive? Start with that. His offenses are good full stop.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Fifth best offensive grade. And G five had a quarterback
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: that really produced. Their highest graded offensive player, however, was
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a receiver at six hundred and some yards receiving on
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the season.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: We COmON has some ill's ability left. Third best run
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: grade in Group of five, ninety two point six run grade.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: So had a great year. They put up some great numbers.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And again, if that happens, I'm sorry Jaxonville State. I
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: don't know if any of that's going to happen, have
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: not talked to anybody about any of that hobby, just
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: simply looking at this is a number segment. I looked
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: at some numbers. That's what That's what I saw on
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: a quick perusial, just a couple of minutes in.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, but.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: That in all seriousness, that is one of the differences, right, Yeah, yes,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I mean it's not just a coach leaving a program,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: which all throughout time you've seen guys follow before, but
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: this is a potentially different era. If there are guys
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: that he thinks can play at this level from that school,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: it would not surprise me if there's a big number
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: of guys that come.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Or guys that he played against this year. Sure he
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: sees other teams that he's appeared to play it against,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: he might you make the phone call and go. He
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: sure got an opportunity. Yeah, I mean, you can't live
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: off those guys. But Kurt Signetty made a heck of
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a dent this year and establishing his base and something
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to be said, and I talked with someone about this
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: just yesterday. He will bring a certain number of guys
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: with him because he wants to show those that are
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: here what the expected level of workload is, which is
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: which is a unique type of a mode of preparation.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just what the cultures like, right, I mean,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: here's what it's going to.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Take to play here. Yes, exactly. So I remember the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: first time he did it. I remember the first spring
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and you talk about a night and day difference. Uh,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: he went out there and it is the one thing
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: about him is that it's it doesn't there's no there's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: no day that is not a day filled with tension.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement? Right? Yeah, there, there's constant
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: it's just this constant tension among everyone involved, coaches, players,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that hey, this is the bar, and if you don't
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: hit that bar every day, then you know. His term
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: used to be the Orange suckers. What do you mean
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: remember the Orange suckers. The Orange suckers were during off
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: season conditioning, there were a group of guys that would
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: go up in the endoor and they would they would
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: work at the level that they expected. And then he said,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: then we got the orangetuckers. So what do you mean
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: by the Orange stuckers? He goes those guys, they really
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: don't care. They just like to go over by the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: training area and those those orange segments slices, they just
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like to put them in their mouth and like they're
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: just they're just having a good time. He goes, that's
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: not what we want. We don't want orange suckers. We
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: want the guys they're gonna work. And so he creates
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: this whole very tense thing to create his recipe of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: hard edge so that when they go out there, they
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: got hard edge.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: It's one of the things we talked about when Darren
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: arrived basketball wise, and and Tucker. How you mentioned Tucker.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: We're going to get into his his absence the other
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: night and what's listed as indefinitely and what that means
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: for this team. But there weren't a lot of guys
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that knew about Darren, right, that's an entirely new roster.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: But you know who did, Tucker. You know who knows
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: how it's supposed to look, Tucker. You know who knows
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: how it's supposed to look at practice, Tucker. And that
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: was when your very best player was your best driver
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: of your culture. It can bring it all lo along
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: more quickly, as you've seen with this basketball team. Now,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: you've got a bunch of hard workers on that basketball
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: team that bought in instantly. That's why they were brought
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: in in the first place. Darren and that staff thought
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: they would fit. But that matters. I mean, you need
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: somebody that's going to be there inside that says this
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: is the level of expectation that it now takes.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll watch the tape of the players that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: are here, and anyone that they watch tape of who
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: may take a circuitous route to go make a tackle,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: theyah just kind of a lollygag to get over there.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: They were instantly, They're gone, instantly gone because not acceptable,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you know. And Neil would have cleaned out a lot
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of those guys as well in this offseason, but like, no,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you can't do it. So that's how they get to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: be that hard, ferocious hitting team. You know. I look
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: back to the Kansas State game this year and we
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: got physically beat up, like they were having their turn on,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: just physically pounding us. Took Garrett out of the game,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: really pounded us. That's that is where this thing needs
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to get back to. Just that physic Now, we did
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it at Cincinnati this year, right, up ended them. Yeah, physical,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: God got the quarterback knocked him around, cause turn off.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: That is what we've come to know it to be correct.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And so that's where this thing will get back to.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't know how long, but it'll be quicker.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: It'll be sooner than later because of the portal. You
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: can go get. You can go get dudes.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: That's all I had on football, just I thought that
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: was interesting. A couple of the high end guys there
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: were slit. It was interesting to have basketball for a second.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Bethune Cookman's are coming in.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna go back first before we go forward.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Haven't recapped North Carolina Central.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I guess that's true. Were you at that one?
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I did saw that one.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it turned out well, turned out well for the Mountaineers.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: But the story Hoppyer right, the story there was no
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: no Tucker Devrees, which is which is a massive story
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: mask board and changes this team. And again the release
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: says indefinitely, so you don't know when that will be
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: a return, if there will be a return there. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: what that makes this team do. It's got to play
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: differently and it's got to ask more guys to play
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: more minutes and do more things. You saw it the
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: other night, and you've got theoretically a couple of good
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: games here where you can try and get used to
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: what these new lineups are going to look like. Man,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: you saw some really nice performances the other night. How
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: about Joe yesafu Hello four threes. He scored eleven in
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the final three forty seven of the first half, including
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: two threes in the last point three seconds of the
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: shot clocked soul breaking for the opposing team, soul breaking shots.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I was happy to see Joe have some success and
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: be able to score like that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: He was great.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Had not played since the Lewisville game.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: And he came in and was excellent, gave me great minutes,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: gave you great buckets there in the first half to
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: kind of create that wave of scoring. Jonathan Powell was outstanding.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Season high for him was seventeen. Hop He's a guy
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you're going to count on. You have counted on already,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: had a really good start to the season and then
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: had been in a shooting slump there for the last
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: few games. You absolutely not only needed to have him
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: break out when he did, You're going to have to
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: have him be consistent moving forward here, He's going to
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: get a lot of important minutes without Tucker for however
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: long he's out.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of guys got a lot, got
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of court time there. But I can't get
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: past the devrez thing. I mean that it's like the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Celtics without Larry Bird. I mean it's not just the points,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: but it's everything.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Points might be as crazy as it sounds, the points
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: might be the least important part of Tucker's absence. Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: it's the ability to keep that team connected at the
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: offensive end and the defensive end, the ability to get
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: in passing lanes and nowhere to be defensively, the ability
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: when the offense bogs down to do something, just do
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: something to create some movement on the offensive end. So, yeah,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: this this team's got a lot of work in front
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: of it, and you're again you're going to ask for
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: some of these guys to really step forth at wardo
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Andre is going to have to play more. You saw
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: him start the game the other night alongside Amani Hansbury,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: which means Harris is going to have to get some
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: more time somewhere along the line in a backup role.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: So you start to see it the other night. That
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: was a good night. You win by thirty four. A
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: lot of that hop was due to just elite three
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: point shooting. This team was fantastic from three made. Fifteen
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: of them had a plus thirty nine point advantage from
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: the three point line. That was ballgame. So Yesufu was tremendous,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Powell was tremendous, and of course well noted the second
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: best shooter in Valley High school history. The sniper Jake
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Hour comes off the bench and doesn't even need a
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: minute to get loose. Now, does not need to break
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: a sweat Hoppy. You put Hour in the game and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: threes are going up hop and they're gonna fall.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: He banged three of them. You set the over under
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: in the three game stretch on the last show at
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: three and a half. I think we all took the over.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: He almost got the over in one game. Jake was tremendous.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you enjoy his success or do
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: you have some jealousy because you were the Valley player
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that was unable to step up to the Division one
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: level and do it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no jealousy.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Super happy for the young man. Yeah, but do you
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: see yourself in that Iowa uniform doing that for doctor
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Tom Davis years ago. Would that have been the moment
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: inside a Carver Hawkey, you coming off the bench, crowd
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: cheering for you and just dropping just dropping threes down A.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Long long time ago, hard to remember back that far.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Somebody and somebody in a podcast saying, not a podcast,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: somebody on live radio is saying, boy, it's nice to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: see Brad the young man in there. Brad, how he
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: worked so hard in practice, come out and get a
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: chance and make a couple threes.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: We'll always appreciate doctor Tom Davis and Rudy Washington for
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: the for the offer. Yeah, certainly would have loved to
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: put on the black and gold and go in there
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: and do that. Would have been nice to see my
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: name in the in the newspaper, so that would have
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: been the source. Would have been nice to see my
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: name in the newspaper there in the box score. What
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I had to go to the box score? How for
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: four four four threes? That would have been nice. Never
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: got the opportunity. So I'm gonna live vicariously, so you
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: are living here. He and I had a conversation about it,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: to shoot around on Monday. I mean, I fully conceded
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: he's the greatest Valley high shooter ever to play at
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Western University.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I just like the fact you referenced the agate page
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: and newspapers.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Asked. I asked Darren about this after the game, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I did it in a jokingly joking manner. But I
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised to see Jake find his way into
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: some games. We've seen coaches do that in the past.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Teddy Talkington was one, Johnny West was one, James long
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Under Hugs was one. Guys that you can put in
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: hop in those those there's certain situations where you go
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: in guys that can heat up immediately, don't need a
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: warm up period. I know I joked about that, but
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Jake doesn't need a warm up period. You put him
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: on the floor and he can shoot it and if
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: nothing else, they come into the game after a timeout,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: end of a half for a game and the other
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: team has to go got to guard him. Well, no, no, no,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: He'll be on the scouting report. They'll say he's in
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: there for one reason, and if we want to leave
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: him alone and double somewhere else, the guy's going to
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: take a shot and might hit it. There might be
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: some spot duty for Jake coming in a valuable moment.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly in the right sequence, Like you could put
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I'm gonna put Javon Small, he can
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: make a three. I'm gonna put Jonathan pol he can
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: make a three. I'm gonna put Jake Auer. He can
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: make a three. Right, I'm put Toby o'connie. He could
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: make a three. Amani Handsbury for that, So you could.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: He can run some stuff that really forces you to
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: honor each person on the floor. So yeah, you're you're
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: exactly right about Tony. Great job. The other night.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: A couple couple seasonal numbers I thought you guys would
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: find of interest through. What are we through nine games,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: seven to two at this point for the Mountain yeer nine.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Number two nationally in transition defense, if you're looking on
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: a point per possession basis number two nationally. And that's
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: not just okay, that's a number because you're playing overmatch teams.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: You've played Gonzagar and Arizona, who wants to push it
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: as much as anybody, And you're number two nationally in
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: transition defense. Super impressive, number eighteen nationally overall in defense
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: on a point per possession basis. So I say this
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: a lot hoppy. With Darren's teams, you get or I
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: get fascinated with the offense and the sets and the
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: aftertimeouts and everything you're drawing up and the performances. It's
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: really defense is the calling card here. That's what generates
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of this offense, gets them flowing, gets them going.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: It happened the other night they got some steals and
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: runouts and that got everybody going in that defense is
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: really really good offensively number ten nationally points per possession
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: when using the pick and roll ball handler. That's not
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: a surprise coming out of Atlantis. That was Javon how
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: often just saying Okay, really, what do you want to do?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Will A?
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: You're gonna guard here because I'm just going to each
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: you up with the pick and roll. Their top fifty
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: he Javon in particular, is fifty fifth nationally in points
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: per possession as the ball handler. And to put that
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: in perspective, that's rated over twelve hundred players. So what's
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: that quick math? Top four percent nationally in pick and
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: roll ball handler efficiency is Javon Small West Virginia's number
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: twenty two nationally in offensive points per possession after a timeout.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: We mentioned that to Darren the other day. He just
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: runs great stuff coming out of a timeout and they
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: they more often than not get a really good look.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: That shows in the numbers as well.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had talked with him today and he had
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: a coaching rarity. Now, this never happened to your coach.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He had to get on Javon Small at halftime for
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: not shooting enough. He passed on three threes in the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: first half. Didn't pull the trigger on it, and so
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: he said, dude, like, it's hard to get though. We
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: can't run stuff to get you those open of a look.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You have to fire it. And I said, that's a rarety,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: isn't we Normally you're telling kid, hey, hold back on that.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: We get a little something better than that. So I
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: think that's interesting, and I think that Javon is going
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to have to continue to pull the trigger as early
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: and as often as possible.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Just four field goal attempts in the first half the
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: other night, one of three from three, then in the
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: second half a concerted effort five to three point attempts,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: eight field goal attempts. He really got going ahead three
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: assists four rebounds in the second half, so you could
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: tell that that took and he kicked it in there.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: There's my numbers.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Weird start time Saturday, what is it? Five?
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: What five o'clock?
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Eastern, here's weird.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: It's for the OCHO or something. What is that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: No, it's just the ESPN plus games.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: It's one of those times. So holiday season, people out
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: shopping and get your shopping done.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: So you used to be involved in these meetings in
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the marketing department as to when at the game.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Time you can get your shopping done.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: In the morning, you used to be involved in them.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of errand's going on. Or if you're coming
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: from a long distance and want to come up, you
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: don't have to start first thing in the morning.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: You can get up here.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: You got time to do some stuff during the day.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: But then with basketball you start at five. It's over
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: at seven, seven fifteen. You still have time either to
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: get back home if you're coming from a long way,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: or you have some time to.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Go get supper. Go get supper, supper.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Holiday party if you want at night, you can combine
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: a game with a holiday party, Christmas party afterwards.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Idea that it's a good start time. I get a lot,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: you can get a lot in. You can have a
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: morning in, an early afternoon, you can enjoy the game,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: and you can have an evening. It kind of covers
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: all areas.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: You know what, It makes sense. Thank you, it makes sense.
• 56:00
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• 56:03
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  Speaker 3: We're going out of the world headquarters at Star City.
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  Speaker 1: I understand, are fired up about Rich coming back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Darryl, Yeah, they were jacked up about that.
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  Speaker 1: They're happy. Dave went to send some stuff through the
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  Speaker 2: Listen, put your face.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, pull the rope. Where is the rope? They took
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  Speaker 3: That might be the wildest piece of trivia in this
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: whole story. That's truly unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, AJ in South Park, I know that Brad's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: going to be pumped up about Jake Ower's performance since
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: they're both from Iowa, and Brad allegedly has the scoring
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: record and once lifted weights in a gym out there
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: or something. But the most amazing anecdote is that our
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: played against Caitlin Clark and elementary school. Did she teach
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: him how to shoot? He's a fan favorite for sure.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: AJ in South Park, I did not know that about him.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that about I.
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  Speaker 3: Knew that either, but I mean West Moyes, so they
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: probably played in the same youth league.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I was a little bit, didn't didn't
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  Speaker 1: Charlie from mid Lothian congratulations. On episode six hundred. You
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: and Brad were correct and explaining how our Kroger fuel
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: purchase is just one purchase. However, you mentioned we use
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: two vehicles now including the local daughters family, so it's
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  Speaker 1: three vehicles every time. That's what we get left of.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for always keeping us entertained. They run three cars
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  Speaker 1: through there, I mean the Charlie from mid Lothians to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: go on a parade to Kroger just to steal the gas.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Do they coordinate so everybody needs gas at the same time.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: That's a great question, Hobby.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: How do they manage that part? Yeah, like you better
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  Speaker 2: go out and drive around for two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie's going to get the gas. Make sure you're empty.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Texter says Famil. Again, we all knew this before him. Heck,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I knew it from a current player before Thamil.
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  Speaker 2: No you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the Texter says. I know, Texter says. I'm
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: sure you'll be getting a lot of text on Rich.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Feel this out for me. Rich can win here and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: we all know that. But that doesn't appear that the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: university had to make the decision for the money aspect
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: it brings. I know that Ren wouldn't hire a coach
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: that can't win, but no other candidate was going to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: have the support that Rich is going to get. Not
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: condemning the decision, I'm just curious of your guy's actual opinion.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I think we talked about that and I think we
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: went over there were just you. If you're doing it analytically,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: you just start checking boxes and with the with the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: field remaining, and the decision kind of makes it and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: look no higher. This athletic director has been very successful
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: with this higher so far. But you know what, coaches
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: get fired all the time, So any higher, any higher
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: is has a I don't know what's the failure factor.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Well, the twenty nineteen class, remember I read those guys
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that got fired. There are twenty seven dudes. They were
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: hired in nineteen oh only like and then seventeen got
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: fired and four moved and three of the guys are
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: still at their same place, Three are at the same place,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: have a wedding record, three are at the same place,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: have a losing record, four guys moved to different schools,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: and the rest got fired.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: That's incredible, and that Tony, those are real important numbers
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: because he just tells you that it's you. You are
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: rolling the dice. And there are factors that you're hiring
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: a coach, but there are factors that the coach can't
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: control because guess what, you play other teams that do us.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: So just stuff happens.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Man Charles in southwestern Virginia, did Comax have to come
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: in and enhance your text box in size? I'm guessing
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the news yesterday broke your old one. Also, how expensive
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: will the pit tickets be for next year? Who? That
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: might be a ticket that'll be fine, that will be
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: get on your stub hubs. Yeah, gentlemen, Hoppy may cover
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: this and his obvious observations. You might get dozens of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: similar texts, But here goes my obvious observations. Hiring this
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: coach will split the fan base. There was an impression
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: that no one else wanted the job when we were
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: forced to go with our last option. There is the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: impression this was forced on the athletic director by big donors,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: which will lead to the AD moving on and the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: eyes of many fans the football programs leadership is in turmoil.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: After announcing the hire, the AD and President Gee will
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: have fences to mend. Of course, all this fades away
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: if the team goes ten and two next year. Some
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: of the fans will return. If coach Rodriguez is not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: hired yet, you can tat trash this into the text.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Trash this text, thanks for letting me vent.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I think that the interest of the donors who wanted
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: to bring back rich and it wasn't all was a factor,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: but not the factor. It was somewhere in the top five,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't one or two or maybe even three.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: That it was four or five in considerations.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Interest from donors is always an interesting term. It's kind
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: of like it's kind of like what side are the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: sharps on when you're betting, and you know what the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: answer is to that, what side of the sharps on
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: hot is both sides. Professional sharp betters can be on
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: both sides of the bet, and that's that's really how
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: it is with donors. So I think we probably need
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: to move past the lexicon of donors wanted. Some did,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: and those folks are hopefully contributing to the program at
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: a point that'll push it forward. There are others that
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: did not right there. So there are donors on both
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: sides of that equation. There always is. I do think
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: that the interesting line of that text was the last
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: one you go ten and two. Yeah, because quite frankly, guys,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: that's the case with everybody. Is we talked last episode,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: we can talk about all the other stuff and all
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: the surrounding things and all the things you like or
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: don't like, given the candidate pool this time and maybe
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: every hire moving forward. There's always both sides. There's always
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: complaints on both sides, good not good?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: What about this problem? What about this question?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Go win games? That's what's going to come down to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: for Rich or anybody else. Go win games.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And I and also I tell you what didn't happen.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: What didn't happen was a particular donor who wanted Rich,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: called up wrenn Baker and said hire Rich, and then
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Reren hired Rich. That didn't happen. Correct, that did not happen.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: And also, this is whatever you think, this is rinn
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Baker's decison. Know, wren Baker has a career. This is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: his decision. So donors. You know, maybe people are in
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: his ear about different things, but ultimately who's gonna who
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: is going to benefit or be castigated by the decision?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Now that said, because of this particular hire,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: there's built in existing race relationships with this head coach
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: with people that do have dollars. Yes, that's the unique part.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I doubt Jeff Monkin was coming in with existing relationships
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: with anybody on the donor base. Those would have had
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: to be built and pick any coach who want their
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: hopp imperiotam anybody want to name. This particular head coach
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: has direct relationships with people that have dollars that are
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: in a position to donate. That's what'll be interesting to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: see moving forward in an era when the money that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: has always been important has never been more important than
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: it is right now because of the ability to help
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: you procure the talent with those dollars and two.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: To further your point, Hopy, you're exactly right, like Ren
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Baker's got a very bright future as an athletic director.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: How long he stays at West Virginia, I don't know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: but I do know he won't retire here, right, He's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: not going to be here for twenty years. And he's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: already had multiple opportunities to leave since he's been here.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: So you're exactly right. He knows that his hires are
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: what will get him his next gig, and he knows
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: if he screws one up really bad that will hurt him.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: He knows if he hits a home run that will
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: help him. And to your point, no one's telling him
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: who to hire. He did this. Now, could you make
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the case that this was a process of elimination higher, Yes,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: it was. Is he comfortable with this hire? Yes he
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: is for all of the reasons you just listed, went
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: through the system, went through it, and this is what
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: you ended up to be the best thing at this
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: moment or this program. But no one is going to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: tell him what to do because he's got way too
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: much gravitas in the industry and he is going to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: be someday at a different school. And that's the reality
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of it. And they're going to look back at his hires.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: And I can tell you this too that he so far,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: with his building of relationships and with his hires, has
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: built up enough credibility with President Ghee, the Board of
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Governors and donors. I heard from a lot of people
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: who said, well, we trust Wren to make the best decision.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, think about what he's already been able to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: accomplish in the funding of the revshare going forward for
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: next year. That's their trust in him to make that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: financial commitment to put West Virginia in the top third
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: of the Big twelve when you go to the market
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: starting in July with the House decision. So if you
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: didn't have the juice that he has right now that
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: he's dealing with, he would have never got that and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: you'd be sitting here going like, well, I hope it
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: works now you've set the table for it to work,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: where a year ago you did not have the table set.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: When you're twelve or thirteen in nil spending in the conference. Uh,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, three guys. I think it was great that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: happy gifted Pete Thambill with the privilege of breaking the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: news on Rodriguez optimistic. I think coach will come in
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: with a chip on his shoulder, a desire to make
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: things up to the fan base. Charlie from Princeton, I'm
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: a Day one listener, Willie G from Elkview. That's an
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: exit there on seventy nine. Yes, bridge there, You go
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: over the bridge and get to the Kroger.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Get to the Kroger's over there, yeah, or the subway
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: or they.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Hiring Rich is like getting back together with an axe
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: after a bad breakup. Some people are gonna love it,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: some are gonna hate it. Some will be okay, but
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: we'll be looking for the first reason to approve or disapprove.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Hopefully both parties are better than they were seventeen years
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: ago and can have a stable adult relations I also
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: have suspicion that this is a very donor influenced higher
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: This is outside of Red's patterns from other hires. Since
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Rich is coming back, I think Tutors should create a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: rich Rod biscuit. We need to have a Tutors installed
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: at Mountaineer Field, give the three guys royalties on that idea,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: of course, and sell the Rich biscuit, Three guys biscuit
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: and the Mountaineer biscuit. Spot the ball. I think tutors
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: should go spot the bacon. Spot the bacon, abot the bacon.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: What do you think bread or.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: The rich biscuit could be? If you buy one today
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: and come back in seventeen years, you get another one.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Well, if you bring that camo cup in there, they'll
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: still fill it up seventeen years from now for the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: price of an iced tea, there you go, or a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: small coffee. High three guys on your excuse me? Should
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: need popcorn on the air? High three guys on the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: last show you mentioned the twenty two percent revenue share
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: internal to each school. Every school would have a different
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: number to spend based on its revenue. That is not accurate.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: The revenue number used for all schools to arrive at
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: the cap is the average revenue of all FBS schools.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: For example, I if the average is one hundred million,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: then all schools can spend up to twenty two mil.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: So if a highest state is two hundred mili in rev,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: they cannot spend forty four mil, but still only twenty
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: two mil. And il obviously could be very different for
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: each school though, thank you, Rob new Jersey. Uh, thank
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: you Rob. Let me. I will look into that for
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: clarification because it is still a conversation that is being had.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: But that is significant. To your point, that is significant.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I'll get it. I'll figure that one out.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: I thought it was too I thought we said that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: that it's an average of the power for schools of
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the of their budgets, and then twenty two percent of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: that of the average.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I think anyway you would yeah, but yeah, I will
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: do a better job on and capped right. It goes up,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: but it goes up, yes, but it does go up.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I'll figure that out, right, thank you. Since I've become
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: a pastor and fully surrendered to God's calling, I don't
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: keep up with much in sports except West Virginia. I've
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: said many times before, bring back rich Rod when I
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: would run into him at the Greenbrier. I never thought, you, trader,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I thought, we don't know or appreciate how good we
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: had it with you. Now he's finally back almost twenty
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: years ago. Senior team ranked in the top ten consistently
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: is fun, and now we get back to that. This
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: should speak a lot to us as a Christian or
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: just as a person. The grass may be greener, but
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: that just means it's craped on more. We should always
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: realize how good we have our life in Christ and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: how good we have things taken care of. West Virginia.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Football does not matter an eternity. But boy, this is
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: going to be fun. DJ Monroe County Spiritual Referencery. Yeah,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that'll be along with to go along with le Miz
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: and the Lion King and Hoosiers. It's a good way
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: to ken. Yeah, it's a good way to cap it. Okay,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: are we all good?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: All good, all good, yea all good, exciting times, Hobby.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming in on your vacation. In fact,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I've seen you more this week on your vacation than
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: i've seen your day.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: My pleasure. Yeah, happy to be involved.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, don't forget. We're back when Monday. Right, Oh,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not here Monday, I'm gone. I'd be gone Monday,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: so Sunday morning he might have to do that. You
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: have to, Rea, you run, I'm gone Tuesday. I got
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: the bowl game.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I have to work on that.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Suddenly there's controversy at three guys, and it comes to
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: scheduling we'll figure out, figure it out.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: You want to just do another one right now? Just
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: keep going, talk about the coaching change.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Our next one is going to be the preview of the.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Ball right probably might not be one.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Can you do it tomorrow?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: I check, No, I'm out tomorrowt oh State Championships.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Of plus, you got the Rich you got the Rich
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: rod press conference. You got to do that.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: There will no longer be any three guys before the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: game's episodes. Thanks for being with us first six every
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: show told you we wouldn't get date hundred.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: We're done. Great, it's been great. Thanks everybody. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: all good things come to us.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: You just saw the complete unraveling of three guys before
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: the game. Fast scheduling conflicts did not allow the team
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to come back together. That'll be on the Wikipedia due
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: to scheduling concept. The final show was the hiring of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Rich Rodriguez episode six hundred. They've never been heard from again.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you know how it was with bands. I mean,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: people start to do projects on their own. They can't
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: get the band back together. People who have problems and issues,
• 1:17:48
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• 1:17:50
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