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Bad Faith: Christian Nationalism's Unholy War On Democracy · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 2: episode was originally recorded and released back in February of
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  Speaker 2: this year, but it was behind a paywall for subscribers only.
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  Speaker 2: Now we are releasing it for free to the whole
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  Speaker 2: entire world. The episode covers a documentary that I talk
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  Speaker 2: about all the time called Bad Faith Christian Nationalism's Unholy
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  Speaker 2: War on Democracy. If you're a familiar, Christian Nationalists are
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  Speaker 2: the goons behind Project twenty twenty five who see Trump
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  Speaker 2: as God's chosen president who will carry their Nazi agenda
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  Speaker 2: over the finish line. This documentary is a fascinating and
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  Speaker 2: terrifying insight into how those people think. So it seems
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  Speaker 2: like a good one to let loose for free these days.
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  Speaker 2: Also joining us, probably in far less pain and turmoil.
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  Speaker 4: Little pain, little turmoil, but you know.
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  Speaker 2: But just like the everyday pain and turmoil, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just the normal agony of waking up every day.
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  Speaker 4: But beyond that, it's been great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, who's not great?
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  Speaker 4: M who's not feeling awesome?
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  Speaker 2: What we are covering today, I think probably contributes to
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  Speaker 2: people feeling as awesome as they do right now. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: In big old air quotes, we're covering a documentary called
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  Speaker 2: Bad Faith. Christian Nationalism's unholy war on democracy. This is
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  Speaker 2: a twenty twenty four documentary, and it is alarming. What
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  Speaker 2: did everyone think this documentary?
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  Speaker 4: Pretty bad man, Pretty bad thought. It sucked not from
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  Speaker 4: a filmmaking standpoint, but every other possible way. It really sucked.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm very sad that I had to watch this
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  Speaker 4: for you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, not many two surprises here, but I did
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  Speaker 3: like how they linked together the timeline of how we
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  Speaker 3: got to where we are today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some interesting facts that come up, especially
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  Speaker 2: about the extreme right in this country, the extreme religious right,
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  Speaker 2: and their motivations. But you're right, there's not a ton
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  Speaker 2: that is super surprising about this. It's just kind of confirming.
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  Speaker 2: I think what a lot of people know is already
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  Speaker 2: come in our way. Yeah. I mean, if they get
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  Speaker 2: their way, it's going to be some Handmaid's Tale shit,
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  Speaker 2: Which that is a comparison they make pretty early on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when they're differentiating between Christianity and Christian nationalism, Handmaid's Tale
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  Speaker 2: is Christian nationalism. That's a very different thing. I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people who would count themselves as Christians,
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  Speaker 2: who would in no way, shape or form participating in
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  Speaker 2: storming the capital on Trump's behalf. This is a different thing,
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  Speaker 2: but that is where it starts. The documentary January sixth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. That was a lot of God fearing
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  Speaker 2: folks just wanting to set the country right. That's all.
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  Speaker 2: That's all.
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  Speaker 4: They just wanted their voices to be heard. Man, that's
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  Speaker 4: all that was. Yeah, that one of evangelical preachers. I
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  Speaker 4: was there. I was there, but I was just there
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  Speaker 4: to stand. And then we see him at the end
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  Speaker 4: inciting a fucking riot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Cool guys, cool guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of the those rioters were Christian nationalists,
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  Speaker 2: and we meet a lot of the people who would
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  Speaker 2: have helped rile them up in the days leading up
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  Speaker 2: to this, and they're kind of all a little terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: Ken Peters from Patriot Church, he's.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the guy I was talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that guy is a real fucking problem. And
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  Speaker 2: but we also, like, they show Lauren Bobert a bunch
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  Speaker 2: oh him.
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  Speaker 3: I had to pull up a lot of these people
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  Speaker 3: look alike.
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  Speaker 4: So, oh yeah, they there's so many honkeys in this.
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  Speaker 4: I have I have honky face blindness.
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  Speaker 2: I love that Lauren Bobert is in this. So it's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, Dooper Christian jerk and.
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  Speaker 5: Dudes, this beetlejuice, hand beetlejuice.
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  Speaker 3: That's very christian ate it. Help your neighbor, Help your neighbor.
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  Speaker 4: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Your neighbors got a little chubb.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you stroke that dick, reach in.
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  Speaker 2: Help them out, even if you're at Beetlejuice the musical,
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  Speaker 2: presumably with several kids nearby close enough, you know.
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  Speaker 4: The beetlejuice theme is a good rhythm for a wink.
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  Speaker 2: It really is so Christian nationalism. They define it at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of this documentary as a political movement that
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  Speaker 2: believes America was founded as a Christian nation, privileging Christianity
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  Speaker 2: above all other faiths. Where would people have gotten that idea,
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  Speaker 2: God bless America. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in all our money too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.
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  Speaker 4: How many mantra is not the right word. But there's
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  Speaker 4: a one point in this documentary where it's showing one
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  Speaker 4: of these freak as rallies where they're all reciting like
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  Speaker 4: the seven Things or whatever. They're like seven goals for
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  Speaker 4: christ Land, and it's you know, it reminds me like
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  Speaker 4: the Pledge of allegiance where it's there's we have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of like things where we just droningly repeat things
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  Speaker 4: like in a chorus.
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  Speaker 3: In this country, did you promote the tax books?
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  Speaker 4: I visited. My parents lived in Texas for a bit,
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  Speaker 4: so I visited.
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  Speaker 3: But when I was a kid, I looked there from
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  Speaker 3: kindergarten to kindergarten first grade, and you have to do
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  Speaker 3: the pledge of allegiance and then you have to do
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  Speaker 3: this like pledge to taxes. Sweet, it does mention God
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, are they still making kids say the pledge of allegiance?
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  Speaker 2: It's got so I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I think in some states. No, right, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like this was a controversy a few years ago.
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  Speaker 2: It is weird. It's a weird thing to make kids
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  Speaker 2: pledge allegiance to the government.
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  Speaker 4: We pledge allegiance to the flag. It's not even the government. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's to the flag with your hand over your heart.
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  Speaker 4: It's like like that. It occurred to me when I
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  Speaker 4: was a kid, Like it was it was between that
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  Speaker 4: and like when I would go to church with my
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  Speaker 4: dad and you know, you have to like repeat the
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  Speaker 4: Lord's prayer and shit, it was just like the same
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  Speaker 4: thing in this freaking rally or whatever. It's just there's
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  Speaker 4: something that really freaks me out about a room full
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  Speaker 4: of people repeating the same thing and like this droning unison.
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  Speaker 4: It freaks me out, and it's all over this goddamn documentary.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as of twenty twenty two, it's as forty seven
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  Speaker 3: states require kids to recite that It's sweet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's progress. Three states have struck it down apparently. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that thing where you like the droning and just repeating
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  Speaker 2: of the mantras, the monotone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, guess mantra is the right word.
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  Speaker 2: It feels programmy. It feels like, yes, programming a.
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  Speaker 4: Whole lot and feels culty.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed they never bring up Jonestown in this, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the evangelical types that they show from
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  Speaker 2: early on, like the evangelical preachers, Man, they got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Jim Jones energy. Like they look like they
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  Speaker 2: can really move a fucking room.
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  Speaker 4: Paul Irick fucking looks like Jim Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The sunglasses on them, Yeah, it's like reverse Clark Kent,
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  Speaker 4: who's still.
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  Speaker 2: Wearing those shades like that close to Jonestown.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Kented Glass foods.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like wearing the Hitler stash. It's like, buddy,
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  Speaker 4: they're still bringing those back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ess for Michael Jordan and a Haines commercial, but
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  Speaker 2: otherwise if he.
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  Speaker 4: Was doing both the mustache and the Jim Jones sunglasses.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that would have been such a heel turn for MJ.
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  Speaker 4: I was also surprised they didn't get into anything like
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  Speaker 4: Tim McVay Ruby Ridge and that kind of stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's like a whole other That's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of info it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's all related though, at least that's how I understand it,
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  Speaker 4: like the Turner Diaries that kind of shit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about Ruby Ridge and Waco both is the
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  Speaker 2: groups that they were targeting. One of their core beliefs was, well,
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  Speaker 2: we have to stockpile a bunch of weapons because someday
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  Speaker 2: the govern.
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  Speaker 4: Their doomsday cults, Yeah, go and.
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  Speaker 2: Try to take our weapons. So then the government shows
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  Speaker 2: up to trying to.
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  Speaker 4: Take their weapons. It's like they're going to take our
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  Speaker 4: weapons and kill our children. And the ATF shows up
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  Speaker 4: and guess what they do.
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  Speaker 2: They did exactly that.
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  Speaker 4: They did both of those things both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Waco documentary rules of engagement is that's yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like really surprised I didn't bring that up
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  Speaker 4: because that's been such a like like a precedent that
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  Speaker 4: all of these sort of cults used as see, it's
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  Speaker 4: happened before, it's gonna happen to us, like to like
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  Speaker 4: justify it is a bit of a different thing, though,
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  Speaker 4: You're right.
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  Speaker 3: Or did they like pretend it never happened? They're like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, was he's not one of us about
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  Speaker 3: one of their things?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the problem with identifying with that part
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  Speaker 2: of white nationalism is these people want you to really
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  Speaker 2: really love the government.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 3: True, right, this is more about loyalism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, those like Ruby Ridge types are
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  Speaker 2: not what this regime is looking for at all. Even
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  Speaker 2: if those Ruby Ridge types are looking for this regime
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, but it's not supposed to make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty eight percent of Americans want Christian nationalism, according to
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  Speaker 2: a survey sided in this documentary. That's one of those
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  Speaker 2: things where it's like, Okay, well at least it's not
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  Speaker 2: a majority, but the majority of people don't vote, like
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  Speaker 2: fifty percent of us vote, So yeah, then that number
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  Speaker 2: becomes a little more alarming. I think they do.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they do mention voter suppression. I wish
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  Speaker 4: they would have connected it more strongly. When they bring
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  Speaker 4: that statistic up, it's like half the country doesn't vote.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, well, yeah, but let's examine why. It's not
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  Speaker 4: all apathy. It's another part of it's another part of
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  Speaker 4: this movement's strategy is the voter suppression and all that jazz.
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  Speaker 4: And they say it multiple times in the documentary. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they keep saying the things like, well, if we follow
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  Speaker 4: the rules, will never win.
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  Speaker 2: What a fucking insane thing to just say out.
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  Speaker 4: And they do it all the time, Like freaking Lindsey
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  Speaker 4: Graham said it. Yeah, they just say it. They say
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  Speaker 4: all of this stuff in public. It's it trives me
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  Speaker 4: crazy to watch some of these clips. It's like they
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  Speaker 4: just they just write it on the cake. Man. It's
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  Speaker 4: not like you have to solve a mystery here. They're
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  Speaker 4: so open about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the whole thing about Trump too. If Trump says
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna do something fucking buckle up, no matter how
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  Speaker 2: crazy it sounds, He's probably gonna at least try.
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  Speaker 4: And that is some kind of Meffor like, it would
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  Speaker 4: have taken one person in the room to back him up,
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  Speaker 4: and we would have nuked that hurricane.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 4: It would have just taken one person to say like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: let's try it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's give it a shot at least. And there's
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  Speaker 2: that audio going around of Justin Trudeau right now. He
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  Speaker 2: got caught on a hot mic talking about Trump wanting
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  Speaker 2: to in a great Canada as the fifty first state,
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  Speaker 2: and he was like, no, he's serious, he really fucking
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  Speaker 2: wants to do that. Which Oh man, that what a
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  Speaker 2: huge state.
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  Speaker 4: That's a gigantic state.
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  Speaker 3: It's not gonna work. It's just not a.
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  Speaker 2: Are we trying to get invaded by the fifty first
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  Speaker 2: state someday?
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  Speaker 4: Like that's massive, way too much up there.
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  Speaker 3: Mixed messages from Republic.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost as though they don't believe in anything.
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  Speaker 3: I know. It's like like, oh, we hate we hate
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  Speaker 3: Canada when we're going to make them the fifty first.
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  Speaker 2: State and yeah, yeah. We covered on the there were
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  Speaker 2: two conspiracy episodes this week, and on the first episode
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  Speaker 2: we covered a documentary called The Grab, which is about
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  Speaker 2: all the ways water is becoming like the most precious resource.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and they pointed out something in that about Russia
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  Speaker 2: which I found really interesting, which is that global warming
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  Speaker 2: is going to mostly help Russia in that it's going
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  Speaker 2: to turn all their frozen areas into like.
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  Speaker 3: The tundra, into lush farmland.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna yeah, there's like the quote from the documentary
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  Speaker 2: is there's an Iowa under there. So at some point
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  Speaker 2: global warming is gonna make Russia like the driver of
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  Speaker 2: the global food supply. And a Tiff Myers on the
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  Speaker 2: episode about that grab documentary, his thinking was, maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: what the US is after here with Canada and Greenland,
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  Speaker 2: is those are also areas that are so far north
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  Speaker 2: of the equator that when the ice caps.
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  Speaker 3: Are starting to melt them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's gonna be minerals. I mean, Trump has
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  Speaker 2: already said he wants Canada because of the minerals they have.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure there's other considerations, like I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: drilling maybe, And I don't know. I'm not being like cheeky,
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  Speaker 4: I honestly don't know, but it seems like maybe Greenland
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  Speaker 4: and Canada would have some drilling opportunities for sure. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's not that far fetched. I mean, he is a
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  Speaker 4: goddamn maniac.
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  Speaker 2: So what do we think about Reverend William Barber the second?
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  Speaker 2: That guy's running for president at some point, right.
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  Speaker 4: I hope so I really liked him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like that's kind of what democrats
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  Speaker 2: are gonna need. I know, the idea of voting for
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  Speaker 2: someone who is as openly religious as he is isn't
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  Speaker 2: gonna sit super well with people on the left. But
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  Speaker 2: someone needs to be able to reach the people voting
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  Speaker 2: for Trump and like sufficiently drive home the point that
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  Speaker 2: you are being lied to by a fucking devil like
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  Speaker 2: it needs like they need their rhetoric turned on them
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  Speaker 2: and bad hair. Yeah, and these godless Democrats we got
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  Speaker 2: right and we stopped.
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  Speaker 4: We should have never stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we stopped calling them.
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  Speaker 4: We we should know no peace. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would be interested to see if this what would
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  Speaker 2: happen if this guy ran for president. He seems like
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  Speaker 2: he can definitely deliver a speech, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was just refreshing to see such a reasonable
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  Speaker 4: voice in the middle of all this madness too.
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  Speaker 2: So Yeah, and it really does drive home the point
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  Speaker 2: that Christianity and Christian nationalism are two different things.
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  Speaker 4: Very Yeah, not at all the same thing. Christian nationalism
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  Speaker 4: is a political movement.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but these people they don't say I'm a Christian
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  Speaker 3: Nationalist's like, it's all these people on Twitter, hope just
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  Speaker 3: Christian and their bio. These are scary people. Well you
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  Speaker 3: know they're awful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. College sports is getting really really religious. You get
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  Speaker 2: college quarterbacks now in their postgame interviews. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: the same old oh, you know, glory to God for everything,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah. It's like they're giving fucking Charlie Kirk speeches
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  Speaker 2: when they're God talking about when and wrote these plays. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, God just came to me in a vision
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  Speaker 2: last night and told me I should run that out
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  Speaker 2: route there on third nine, and I think that really
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  Speaker 2: sealed the game. So William Barber, he talks about how
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  Speaker 2: this has been happening for a long time in this country,
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  Speaker 2: and that's correct. KKK. For example, we're also Christian nationalists.
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  Speaker 2: They thought America was destined by God to be a
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  Speaker 2: white Christian nation. They railed against immigrants. He can believe that.
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  Speaker 2: They talk about Jerry Folwell in this a bunch. They
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  Speaker 2: also bring up George Wallace Man. That guy's got a
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  Speaker 2: complicated legacy.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't kind of turn around on a lot of
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  Speaker 4: things as it got older.
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  Speaker 2: And I have a video on YouTube. I was pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure Trump was going to try and pull the same
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  Speaker 2: fucking stunt because George Wallace got shot and he was
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  Speaker 2: like a vehement racist up to that point, and he
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  Speaker 2: got shot and was like, okay, fine.
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  Speaker 4: Blasted the hate out of him.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, and he liked them super progressive. Near the
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  Speaker 2: end of his political run, he appointed a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: people of color to the government of Alabama. Like he
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  Speaker 2: delivered on all that shit. And I only know that
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  Speaker 2: because of a drive by Trucker's song where they point
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  Speaker 2: out that he's still going.
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  Speaker 4: To go to hell or well, yeah, you know all
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  Speaker 4: that shit.
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  Speaker 2: He's definitely burning in hell right now. But still, you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: he turned it around at the end. Good for him.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe it knocked a couple of years off, I don't know.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul Wyrich is kind of the key figure in this.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, I did not like him at all.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: I know, I know we don't do Ad Hominem's but
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: this guy's lips, Yeah, fucking stop it, man.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like mister Beast.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Like mister Beast has dead eyes.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: He does.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: He's a soposiopath. I watched some of his videos like
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: for research.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: He said that it's a fucking rick dis grin, And
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: every every thumbnail I see of him.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always catch myself saying, oh, I don't know
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: why that guy's so popular. It's like, I don't know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Have I tried giving my followers fifty six million dollars?
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Like that should be a tier of yours.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: That might back my popularity up a little bit.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: It's the fifty seven million dollar tier. I give you
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: fifty six million dollars.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It's only twenty five million dollars. Crazy, I'm gonna flip
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it in the crypto market. So actually, if someone wants
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to give me twenty five million to gamble and see
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: if I can flip it and just that's fine, let's
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So Paul Wayrick, he's the guy who discovered or realized that, hey,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: we could probably be harnessing Christian anger and using it
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: at the ballot box. And he decides to go to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Jerry Folwell and Pat Robertson, who are the biggest televangelists
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: at the time, and asks for their lists of supporters,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: and they use that list to build what comes to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: be known as the moral majority. Means you're an American citizen,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: your pro life, you're Christian. That's about it. Oh and white,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I forget.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: So you got to be as white as the driven snow.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: The white part.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be super duper white you to fit
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: in too. They preached that Republicans are the party of God,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Democrats are the party of the devil, which I don't know.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: You ever listened to a Motley Crue song, Maybe that's all.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's not so bad, it's pretty chill. But yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: this is like infamously how Reagan got elected. It's hard
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: to picture it because it's been this way for my
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: entire life, and I assume most of the people listening,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: But like, the Republican Party was not the party of Christianity.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: That's not what it was until like nineteen eighty, Right,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: it's so weird that it's that recent, but it was
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: just that's when it started. And boy, it just has
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: fucked us up for the past forty years.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's been destroying everything.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: It's the end of Oppenheimer.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: That kind of speaks to one of the really interesting
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: points they make in this which is when they're talking
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: about Roe v. Wade, which today we view abortion as
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that's what Republicans, that's what really got like the hardcore
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Christian conservatives like really up in arms in this country.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And it's not all right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: They said, it was like years before.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: That was five years before. Yeah, it was when they
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: lost all of their private colleges lost funding or accreditation
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: or something because of they were segregated. They had to
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: desegregate all their colleges, and they were like, fuck that,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: we're going to destroy the country.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost their tax exempt status.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: That's what it was. That's what it was for still.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Supporting segregation, and that is what the moral majority first
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: rallied around.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: It's so fucking funny to see them, like they play
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: clips of these guys whining about it, like that's the
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: biggest assault on religious freedom and they're just bitching about
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: having to pay taxes. Yeah, exactly, so an assault on
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: religious freedom. It's no, you have a university, you can
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: pay taxes. Yeah, what he's talking about, man.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And yeah, they just Republicans knew that wasn't going to
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: be a great thing to get in front of people
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and be like no, listen, to sell the gate. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: so they came up with abortion instead. And it wasn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: un till seventy eight that Jerry Folwell gave his first
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: sermon on abortion, which that's quite the gap.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I got whiplash when they played the clip of him
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: blaming nine to eleven on the gays. I remembered seeing
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: that clip live, but I hadn't seen it in twenty
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: four years.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was just man. Man that takes some
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: guts to get on TV and say some shit like that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: It was it was like right after too.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was September thirteenth.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: He wasted no time.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That's a little soon. I'm gonna I'm gonna just say it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: That's a little soon to be like, ah, the gays
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: did this, And to be clear, the gays didn't do it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: It just happened because of them, is right The right
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: wing argument here.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: It's so I don't want to say it's funny, Maybe
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I guess macabre or grotesque that he's sitting there is. Oh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: it's because of this godless heathenism. When like the September
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: eleventh attacks were on the World Trade Center, Bass very
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: specifically attacked on capitalism, like it's anyway, not to split hairs.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But it's just there is a quote in this because
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: where they're talking about conservative supreme courts throughout history just
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: do not uphold civil liberties at all. That's just not
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a thing they're concerned about. And the quote is, if
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: your goal is to preserve the white patriarchy, you need
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a conservative Supreme Court. And uh, oh, we got that
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: right now, We we sure got that. That's one of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the things that worries me the most about all the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Shenan against Trump.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Horrible yeah, horrible court, the worst one ever possibly.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And we're getting all these court stepping in to block
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the things he's doing. But it's just gonna get kicked
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: up to the Supreme Court at some point. And what
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: are they gonna do? Probably side with Trump, Yeah, yes.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And so they talk about Roe v. Wade being overturned.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It sure would have been nice if Biden made that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a law, huh.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Instead of that, it would have been nice. Would have
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: been nice if he prosecuted Trump for January sixth, Yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: prosecuted all of the people involved with that. Yeah, just
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: seeing all that, seeing the footage of it again as just.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Man, but Biden did prosecute the guy from the Fujis
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: on espionage charges for setting up a photo op with Obama.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: So yeah, well, you know, you got to tackle the
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: important things.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's keeping our national security intact.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: He only had time for a certain number of accomplishments
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: during his administration. And look, he just didn't get to
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: codifying Roe v. Wade or prosecuting the only person in
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: history to refuse the peaceful transition of power in this country.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Those were like right under prosecute prose from the Fujis.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So he just like hat that last one in and
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: then oh damn it and get these other two. Sorry, Jack,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: That was Biden.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Got to squeak in a pardon for my son real quick.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: They talk about Sondra Day O'Connor in this She was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: appointed by Reagan, but she was pro choice.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: And a pesky feminist. They had to yeah, she.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Might be a feminist, Jesus Christ. And it wasn't like
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: it was just on the news. It was just like
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: a news anchor saying it, I think, wasn't it. Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: So there's there's concerns she might be an active feminist.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: What the fuck are we talking about?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: This is the point in history where Paul Wayrich decided
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan isn't conservative Christian enough, which fucking yits what
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Reagan that's concerning for sure, And that is the point
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in history where he founded the Council for National Policy
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one. It's a secret network to kind
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of spearhead the conservative or the Christian nationalism movement, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: it is now one of the most powerful political groups
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: in the country. Their vision is rooted in a form
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of Calvinism that says God favors some people, and you
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: can tell who he favors by how wealthy they are.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Is that like that thing like buying indulgences from that
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: was a Catholic thing, but like when you can buy forgiveness,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: buy indulgences.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just a little donation of the church.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Little money.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: That peasant you choked last week. Forget about it. It's
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: all taken care of.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And that is a big thing. The god spoll of prosperity,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I think they call it, where you'll know God's favor
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in you when you start fucking brushing the poor people
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: under your thumb and pocketing the money you would have
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: spent being nice to him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Who was the guy that confronted about flying first class
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: and said like, I won't he flew private, he said
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I won't fly and por something like that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Whot he said, I'm not gonna fly in a tube
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: full of a tubeful of demons.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: That's twupul of demons.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And then he immediately transforms into a demon and is like.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I love that that. They confront Joel Ostine
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, you're the only rich person in this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: room right now, Joel Ostein. Yeah, he didn't have shit
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to say. I'm sure he said something, but.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like tied up in sort of the American
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: idea of virtue. I guess is it's just, oh, this
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: person has a lot of money, so they must be
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: brilliant and correct and successful at everything.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: They did everything right exactly.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so clearly this person is blessed by God because
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: they have tons of money.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Which would actually speak to why Christian nationalists love Trump
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and probably Elon Musk so much, because if you think, well,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the person who's the richest is the most favored by God,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: then you're gonna look at Trump and Elon Musk and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: be like, well, Elon Musk is the richest man in
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the world, and Trump says he is, but he's not right.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, he has gold toilets, so he must be wealthy.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Toilets made of gold.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Why would you want a gold toy?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know all of his man all the pictures
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: of his pant house. It's just such like a dumb
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: guy's idea of how rich people live.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his house looks like Master PA's house. I don't
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: know if anyone saw them TV cribs, Yeah, along kime
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Ago where he walks in and goes Can you believe
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I'm watching Beverly Hills two thousand? Would you think someone
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like me would be watching Beverly Hills two thousand? It's
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: like it's Beverly Hills nine or two one? Oh sir,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: what are you taking?
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't know what you were talking about.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It say. Actual moment from Masterpce episode of MTV Cribs,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Sweet look at Me watching Beverly Hills two thousand. Pretty funny, huh. Anyway,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: they talk about dominionism, which is the idea that we
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: need to rebuild this country along religious lines, which means
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: first burn the country down. Good thing. No one's working
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: on that right now. That would be bad time.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be a shame. You know, that'd be
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: really really frightening if that was happening as we speak.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Glad it's not.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's not. I mean I think we would
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: get sued for saying it was probably probably, Yeah, yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: in this political climate.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Serves us right, honestly.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I mean Trump derangement syndrome.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Toom it's true, that's true.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I think. I think that's that's the answer there. I
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: thought all the stuff about them teaming up with the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: oil industry was really interesting because that's another thing that
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: we identify Republicans with being so anti environment and anti
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: climate change. That's just like Roe V. Wade. That was
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a thing that some fucking political strategist, probably Paul Lyyrick
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: also was like, yeah, we can, we can rally right
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: wingers around this. There was a point where George W.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Bush or George HW. Bush sorry, a whole part of
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: his agenda when he was president was the climate and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: global warming, and then Republicans just decided it was a
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: thing they could rally people around. So they decided they
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: hate climate change.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Well, well they make too much money. They get so
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: much money from those industries, right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so his Council for National Policy agreed to
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: be a voice for keeping fossil fuels alive. And that's
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming what led to republic Plicans deciding they hate
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: climate change.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, you know, it's like Jesus would have.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly, like Jesus would invest heavily in oil. They talked
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to a guy who used to work for strom Thurmond.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: God damn it, that fucking racist mummy that was in
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: the Senate for like for seventy years.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how did he stay there so long? Like people
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: just kept voting for that fucking guy. That's crazy.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: A lot of these guys end up running unopposed for
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: like decades.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess that that is true. And you're
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: not gonna believe this, But this guy gets to working
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: for strom Thurmond because strom Thurman was talking about, you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: God all the time and being super religious, and then
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: he gets behind the scenes and uh, oh, Stroman's not
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: religious at all.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Oh no, he's just a racist.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Whoops. It's like, dude, you didn't need to work for
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: him to know that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Figure that out. Ye. Now. Strom Thurman was the most
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: vocally vehemently racist member of Congress for many many years,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: but then he decided to embrace religion, so I went
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: to work for him, but it turned out he was
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: still just a racist.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, kidd, and that guy didn't look old,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: this guy that used to work for strom Thurman. So
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: how long ago are we thinking he worked for strom Thurman?
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Like two thousands probably?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well he died in Structhan died in two thousan three.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it could.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Have been late nineties, early odds because he said he
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: was born like a couple of days after Reagan took office,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: so that means he was born in eighties. That makes
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: him like forty Scott.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: He had like dark hair and a beard.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah he eventually meets William Barber
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and gets back on track. But yeah, I just thought
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it was funny that someone would go to work for
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: strom Thurman, like actually thinking he is a religious and
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: righteous man. It's like, you fucking fool. Yeah. They show
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that clip nine to eleven caused by the gaze. It
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: would be DEI today, right, Oh yeah, probably either that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: are transgender hijackers or a combination of both, you know.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Or in the airport security that let them get through DEI.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't have that much security back then.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Remember when you could go to the gate. I barely
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: on the Turma in some place.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Up until the seventies, you could pay for your ticket
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: while you were on the plane.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: What it's nuts. I didn't know that.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Did they have the credit card machine where they like
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: do this? But it's a like that thing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: They've probably caught. The plane tickets probably cost like thirteen
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: dollars back then. Yeah, Hey, everybody paid cash for it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: What happens if you get up there and you don't
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: have the cash?
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: They just chuck you out, kick you out. They turned
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the plane around. We gotta drop this dead beat off.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Everybody glares at you the whole time. It's like a
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: full metal jacket sitch. They beat you with soap when
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: they land.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my favorite thing about that movie is how it
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: kind of sucks right after that moment.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: It's great. You always forget the stuff after boot camp.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good building up to that, and then
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: they leave boot camp and it's like, all right, I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: over this.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: It's not very good after that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But are they going to win this war? Beating someone
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: with bars of soap? Because that I would watch, but
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: never shakes out that way.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Rambo should have brought that with him in a First
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Blood part too.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to read Paul Wyrick's manifesto, depending
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: on how many words it is, how many pages.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: He just melted he man looking as us.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: He wrote a manifesto that is basically about how Christian
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: nationalism is going to take over by violence if need be,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: calls for the destruction of American government and institutions, which
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: uh uh oh they talk about the seven pillars.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I screenshot at this because I liked that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: The seven pillars are the things that Christian nationalists feel
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: like they need to take over to effectively rule the land.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: They kind of imply in this documentary that they've already
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: taken over entertainment.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I do not make.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Last clips of horrible Christian movie.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: All their fucking faith based and all the entertainment is
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: one of the pillars. Yeah, yeah, they're showing these daily
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Wire assmen.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Did kind of remind me of do you remember Jim
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: cabizl And in the early two thousands, he was in
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: that Count of Monte Christian movie and then he like
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: got like weird hard right Christian right and then he
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: like the past. Was he in?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: He was he in the Passion of the Christ? Or
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: did he direct it? Did he direct it? Also?
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: No mel Gibson direct he yes, okay, yeah, nous.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Well I never saw it, my dad. I remember my
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: dad saw it and he comes home and goes, that
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: was a good movie.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: My dad actually before he you know, got married, he
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: was studying to be a priest, so he loved the Bible,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Catholic Bible.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: There was a it might still be, but when I
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: lived in South Dakota, there was a Christian music festival
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: every year that was the I believe, the biggest Christian
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: music festival in the nation. And me and my friend
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Doug would go every year and just get so drunk
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and just like chain smoke and be conscious drunk in
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: that crowd. And it was so fun and like especially
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the part where you'd get like a twelve year old
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: calling you a baby killer. That was great. But one
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: year we went it was the year Passion of the
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Christ came out. There was a guy in full military fatigues.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I shit you not with about I'd say fifty to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: seventy five Passion of the Christ. Buttons just all over.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It's too many, Like it was fucking armor. It was
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: so so bizarre and kind of alarming.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: It's only acceptable to wear that many buttons if they
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: have mister T on them. I would agree with that. Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: then it really is armor.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Are either of you familiar with the Trump prophecy, the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: movie that they point to as proof that Christian nationalist.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm sure that my friend's mom
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: probably texted me that when she was having like delusions,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: So yeah, sweet, Like what if my friend's bomb. She's
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: like constantly text me like these conspiracies related to Trump.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I just like stopped responding.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you bring up delusions because we covered
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the Trump prophecy on an episode of this podcast, also one.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It's based on a true story, which that alone is nuts.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: But that true story is that this guy had a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: vision after watching an interview with Donald Trump. God told
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: him Donald Trump was going to be the next president.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And this guy goes to his psychiatrist and tells them this.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: In the psychiatrist, instead of being like, Okay, let's maybe
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: up your meds a little bit or something, this guy's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: psychiatrist decides instead to commit some medical malpractice and is like, oh,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you should talk to my wife. She is an organizer
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: for Christian right wing types. And you know, if what
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: you're saying is true, we got to get the word out.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: This guy's wife starts this daily phone call, a daily
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: prayer phone call where people just get on the phone
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and pray for Trump to get elected. And by the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: end of the twenty sixteen election, there were like one
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand people on that call every day.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: That would freak me the fuck out. One hundred fifty
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: thousand people saying the same prayer at the same time.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and can they all hear each other? I hope not.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: I hope So I hope it's a big party line
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: with one hundred thousand people.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Like, that's got a sound like God, you have one
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand people just saying the same shit at once.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Fucking Pink Floyd album.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: But that's what that movie is about, and that when
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: people are like, no, Trump is God's chosen candidate, that's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: kind of shit they're referring to.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Cyrus stuff too. Yeah, made a lot of sense.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because I just thought it was all bad faith,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: not you know, I'm not really intended people supporting Trump
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: as like the candidate of Christianity because it's like so
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: ridiculous on its face, but them sort of casting him
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: as a Cyrus type figure, it's like, ah, fuck, all right.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's who God sent to destroy the institutions that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: need to be destroyed basically, and when you think of
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: it that way, Christian's level.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And it's like a former sinner who's been redeemed by
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: God to be his instrument.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Because there was that woman who talks about like, oh,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: this guy with this like weird, immoral past. It's like, okay,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: so they latched on. I didn't know that. They were like, oh,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: he can be redeemed, you know, through the power of
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Christ sort of things. So I guess it now it
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: makes sense in retrospects. But everything he does they're like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: oh no, it's okay, the same shit always.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, maybe he can be, but he's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: not gonna be. That's got it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: At this rate, there's going to be lines to piss
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: on his grave.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: The two thousand and eight election, let's talk about it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Right wingers weren't happy.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: They sure weren't. Man, I wonder why.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. What it was about Obama that the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: right wingers hated so much.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Something about Obama and his family being up there on stage.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll have to we'll look into it more.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: But there was something about Obama that really set right
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: wingers off.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: It's I don't remember who it was who blueskided it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Whatever we call those skeet skeets. I don't remember who's
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: skeeted it, so I apologize, but somebody skeate it earlier today.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: It's that it's in response like a lot of the
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: reactions to the super Bowl halftime show. It's it's like that,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: it's we just sort of expect conservatives to freak out
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: anytime black people are on television, which is like, of
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: course the conservatives are going to freak out. It's like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: but we really need to like stop and reckon with
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: how fucking weird that is.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: It is so weird.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't normalize that. It's like, oh, they're going to
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: freak out because there's black people on televisions, Like why
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: is what It's like At.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: This point, it's like so tiresome, and it's like the
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: same grift over and over, Like I like, I saw
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: so many tweets to today and last night they were like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: DEI halftime show, I know what, didn't understand what a
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: word he was saying. I'm like, okay, it's English, so
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: you know, just like the whole like anti rap thing.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Also still it's still watching onto that, you know, fuck.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Forty year old argument, and it really is.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it's not the case for everyone,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: but there are some of these motherfuckers really are just
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh shit, there's a black person. Everything's different.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: It's like all hands on deck until this threat has passed.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: That's why we're in this mess.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: The example that always comes to mind for me, I
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: was at a fucking San Diego Padres game and this
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: fucking bro comes and sits in our section and is
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: just being so loud and so obnoxious. And then a
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: black kid shows up who he could not have been
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: more than sixteen, and that dude's entire fucking demeanor changed.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You could tell he was so unhappy that a black
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: person sat that close to him, and it was it
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: was palpable, and I just like the kid was just
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: watching the game, making jokes with his friends, and this
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: guy was like it, like fucked with his worldview a
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: little bit that everyone in these good seats weren't white.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that was what it was or what,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: but it just like shut him down, which that part
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I appreciated, Like he completely shut the fuck up.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: But for once I was glad for his racism.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could just tell, like just seeing a
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: black person, he was like, Nope, nope, this isn't good,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: This isn't good.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Man. So goddamn weird that we just are like, yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: you know, if they're gonna freak out when they see
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: people of color on TV, we're not going to talk
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: about that, maybe we should, Maybe we should sit down
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: and really dissect this.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, what is there
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to dissect, Like, just fucking bunch of fucking racists.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, man, it's and what an indictment of America?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And so they bring up two thousand and eight and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a obamba because that's when the Tea Party started.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Which had nothing at all to do with race.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: No, No, it was just unhappiness with the government.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Is all taxed enough already?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just taxes. It was just taxes. And also
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the president was black, and it seemed like they didn't like.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: That, mostly that, but also but also the financial crisis, right, yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: you know, which was caused because our president was black obviously,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: and so yeah, the tea party movement rises up, and yeah,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: this is where we should have knit this in the bud.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Right, Yes, this gave us like freaking Marco Rubio and
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Ted Cruz.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maniers, I'm so offended that I have to keep
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: seeing Ted Cruz.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Oh he's the biggest wiener, he really is. He just
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: embodies that word.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: There's a documentary about Cambridge Analytica out there outfit that
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: helped Brexit pass in England, and one of their first
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: campaigns was Ted Cruz, and their literal sales pitch was,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: we got this fucking guy elected. You think we can't
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: get whatever you want done done.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Of course they've had their fingers in a lot of pies.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're they're a shady outfit, that's for sure.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: They helped start genocides too. It's great, it's great, Koch brothers,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: they started fucking a lot of the team came from them.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: They started going out and trying to primary regular ass
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Republicans who were like, guys, we're racist too, I promise
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: they're like, you're not racist enough, and it works, like
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Obama gets elected again, but Republicans just kind of get stronger. Yeah,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and that's actually a thing you see all around the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: world where a country that has a little bit of
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: a conservative underbelly. I guess I don't know if that's
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the right word for it, but in this case of this,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: if a liberal leaning official gets elected, there's about eight
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: years where the conservatives just like seethe and boil, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: eventually it around the eight year point, a Trump type
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: will pop up and fucking make that country great again,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: so to speak. Happened in Hungary with Victor Orbon He
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: was like one of the earliest. But there's so many
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: countries around the world right now where that's the thing.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: They had all these years of liberalism and the religious
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: part of the country did not like it, and eventually
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: enough people agree and they elect some fucking tyrant And
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that's where we're at. Also, remember when we thought we
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: were gonna have to it would be like another January
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: sixth thing if Trump was gonna become president again, like
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: we just voted for him instead. That's awesome.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: They talk a lot about Trump being like this perfect
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: vessel for what Paul Wyrick and the Christian nationalists want
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: to do, which is destroy government institutions and rebuild them
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: in their image.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Man, how often do people have occasion to call Donald
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Trump a perfect vessel? Oh?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: So insane? That's got to be like a first unless
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: you were like, is there anyone in this room that's
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: willing to say the N word right now?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Trump, there, he is perfect.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Then he was already saying yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: He was saying it as someone was asking.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't hear the question because he was saying
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: the N word too loud.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: And this is actually kind of how Trump ends up
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: appointing all these right leaning judges is this same group
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: comes to Trump and they're like, if you will promote
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: your campaign, if you just like appoint the judge, we
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: want you to a point, and so they make this
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: unholy alliance sets up one of my favorite Trump videos
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: ever where these dummies actually ask him what his favorite
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Bible versus Oh my god, this may all of them
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: He said, I don't like to get specific. I don't
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: need to get specific. Old Testam New Testament equals equal.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I would read them both at the same time. Actually,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I have one big Bible. Yeah, they should have asked
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: his favorite Hitler speech. He'd have been like, well, thirty
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: eight holand let me tell you about that one. But yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: he he can't name a Bible verse. And in my defense,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I don't have a favorite Bible verse either, but I'm
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: not God's chosen candidate for president, so I don't have
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to have one.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't make out with the Bible for a
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: photo up. That's another thing. Everybody hugged the American flag
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: like a kid meeting Sanna, like me when I met
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: RoboCop at the auto show.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And he held the Bible upside down when he had he.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Did yep down in front of that church, him behind
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: the wheel of that fire truck. We let way too
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: much go in this country.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: A fire truck. There's just so many things that happened,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: but you, like, you forget about the and then there's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the next crazy one and the next crazy one, and
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: you're like, wait, that talked the other thing, and shocking.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I thought there was a really interesting moment right near
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the end of this where they're talking to I didn't
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: write his name down, but they're talking to some guy.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: He's an older guy, he's got glasses, got a beard.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: It's a Christian nationalist type. And they're talking about what
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: it's going to take to like unify the country again,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: and he's like, good can't unify with evil. It has
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: to be defeated, which I don't know, like if can
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: we get that in writing, Like can we get that
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: written down that that is the stated goal is just
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: like kill everyone who opposes them, because I don't know,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: let's get it started. I guess like, if that's what
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: it's I have to come down to, let's fucking do this.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: But I thought that was pretty alarming that he was like,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: there is no fucking unifying. We just got to kill everybody.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's been clear, but it's yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: it's still a huge bummer to just have him just
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: so openly state it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And one thing I found really interesting about this
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: documentary is that it's super timely but also a little
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: too early, because they're pointing to all these things Trump
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: did during his first term that are like, see, he's
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: fucking running rough shot over the government, but it's all
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: with this tone of so we better not let him
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: get in off the back. Yeah, and now he's back
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: in office and the things he's doing now compared to
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: what's in this documentary. Oh yeah, fucking clown shoes gets
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: nothing compared to what he's Yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: We're sprinting into crystal fascism right now.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that William Carve, It's like, yeah, he probably
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: should run for president. He's gonna get murdered by a
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: fucking Maga type, but give it a shot at least, Like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, we should see, let's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: move to another country.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get out of here.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: It's go to Canada.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: I'm eligible for Italian citizenship.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think I am eligible anywhere. I
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: don't have to go to Korea with my wife. Yeah,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: go to Korea. That's not the United States of Asia
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: at all, different from the United States. They don't even
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: have a CIA, Yeah they do. So do we have
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: any final thoughts on Christian nationalism? This all ends with
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of January sixth stuff, which, yeah, seeing
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: it again, it's alarming.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah you really forget how I'm not forget, but it's
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: just being reminded how violent it actually was. After four
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: years of these ghouls just trying to downplay and minimalize it, like, no,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: it really was a riot. It was an attempt to
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: overthrow the government.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a basic how people don't take that seriously?
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Yep, it's so.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: It's how you know they're liars and hypocrites. They don't
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: really care about this country at all.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean yeah, and that's obvious just because
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: from their stated mission, which is to tear the country
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: down and rebuild it along religious lines, which I hope
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: not I hope that's hope that's not what happens, but
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: it feels like that's what we're.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: It is currently happening. But maybe it'll stop.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe the Democrats are going to be the resistance someday.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah if we if we keep calling them, they'll consider
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: taking action.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, maybe we should send some faxes. Maybe that's it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: We should go to the polls to make our voices heard.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: That vote always works. So I think that's our episode.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Tom Heather, thank you both so much for doing the pod.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: What do we have to plug before we get out
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: of here? Besides the erosion of democracy? For the love
• 53:08
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• 53:10
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• 53:13
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• 53:21
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• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Heather, what do you got to plug?
• 53:25
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• 53:28
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• 53:31
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• 53:36
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• 53:46
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• 53:48
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• 54:04
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• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Start the machine search that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck out
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of here, Heather, say goodbye, Okay, goodbye, Tom, Say goodbye, goodbye.
• 54:14
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