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EP 8: Every Heart Has a Story - Corey Hudson on Truth, Trauma, and Healing · Tony & Sarah Unscripted

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Hey, everyone.
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Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Tony and Sarah Unscripted.
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Now, today's guest, as somebody that I've known for years.
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And the first thing I noticed
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when I met him was the kindness and his beautiful energy.
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You feel it immediately.
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And I know you're going to feel it today when you hear him speak.
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So welcome to this.
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Welcome to the stage.
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I said welcome.
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Welcome to the podcast, Corey Hudson.
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We're happy that you're here.
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Thank you. Tony. Sarah I'm happy to be here.
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So we're just going to like, dive right into it, right.
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So for people who don't know you, what should they know about you?
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Tell us a little bit about your story.
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Yeah, well, I currently work as a psychotherapist
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working with the LGBTQ plus
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population, and I have a history
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as someone with experience with mental health and substance abuse.
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Yeah. And trauma, of course.
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And it's kind of what they're doing into the field that I work in. So
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yeah.
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Do you want to talk a little bit about the road, how how difficult it was.
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Yeah.
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Yeah sure.
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So I, I think we're kind of the turning point.
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And my journey started was like 2013.
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It was on the heels of a breakup with my partner after
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probably four years and a few severely
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both ways.
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Lots of substance use, sets of drinking,
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depression, using medications, all sorts of things.
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But I sort of found myself backed into a corner,
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both financially, emotionally,
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without skills, without resources,
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without language to communicate
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what I needed to know where I was at.
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And I felt like the solution was to not be here.
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Solution to the pain, anguish that I was having
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was to.
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Yeah, to to die.
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Yeah,
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I can remember
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the conflict, you know, of that, because there's a part
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of us as human beings that is like, you got to survive.
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You know, that's not over here.
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So to be in that space of
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kind of kind of at war with myself, I can remember
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thinking, well, if I make the exit out the window and I survive,
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that it won't be laying on the pavement and paying cold.
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So there was a part of me that wanted to,
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you know, relieve myself, but also
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not incurred
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more pain and trying to make an exit.
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It was a very scary place to be very out of control.
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And I'm grateful that my acts at that time
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kind of got brought into the fold.
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I kind of threatened his life as well, and I think he
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didn't know what else to do.
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So we called the police.
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And at that time, I was so desperate
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that when they showed up at my door and invites me,
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if I was.
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If they asked me
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something to the effect of do you feel safe?
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Or you can answer self something along those lines,
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and I just kind of surrendered and allowed myself to be taken to the hospital.
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Expands a couple weeks at Yale
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and said court and I was in a real turning point for me.
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I went into that experience humiliated,
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shoveled, depressed,
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just felt completely neglected.
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And I can imagine maybe returning to a place that used to call home.
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But there's no
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body.
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Water windows are smashed out, some furniture and barren.
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Yeah, that's kind of how I felt,
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because returning to a really good space that I used to call home,
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and when I kind of look up from the spell of my own experience
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and recognize that experience, many people who are sharing that word with
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and that kind of
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moved me from a place of any
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and shame towards empathy and compassion.
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And I found really profound
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connection and that space of one ability, I never kind of recognize that
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vulnerability was a bridge to connection
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and to healing and to sharing stories
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which really rooted in trauma,
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chain, grief, fear.
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It began to recognize that there was value,
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the value to the things that we try to put away, hide things
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we try to outrun, and wanted to say, that's the hospital.
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Do something with that.
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I knew that I couldn't go back to that kind of darkness
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and that isolation that I had been in,
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and through sharing my city journey,
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something that kind of came out of that experience, and
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I began counting this surprised days on Facebook.
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And little by little, I was getting
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I'm just getting people reaching out
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to thank you for putting out there.
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I'm struggling.
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And over the course of maybe,
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you know, 6 or 8 months, I began to realize the power
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of sharing a story
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and getting it out there and took some courage.
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But I also recognize that my circumstances, just my recovery alone,
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could move people and inspire them.
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Whether people staged it, particularly the types that I heard from the hospital.
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And I was feeling so alone and isolated.
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Yeah.
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So to do something different that that.
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That's when I met you.
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I met you right before you were taken off to do your project.
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And it was, I mean, I,
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I left that day saying, man, like,
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what an amazing human being and how brave for you to just go off on your own.
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So I really want to dig into hearts of strangers, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because I'm serious. Like, I'm. I'm tearing up here.
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I just thought
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that was the most beautiful thing that a human could think about doing.
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And you just did it.
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And I'm sure it wasn't like, yeah, this is easy.
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Like, you really, you know, had a courage to go out there and do that thing.
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And I don't think you know about hearts of strangers, but I'm fascinated.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I look back on what I did and I'm kind of cool with that person.
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Yeah.
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Because like coming out of that, that kind of confines of the relationship
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I had with myself and having the courage to to do that.
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But there was something else driving me, and I think it was the sort of collective
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experience of being human and then our pain.
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And then this is like something like Arab grief
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and something that's many people struggle with, and they don't share it.
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Like when like you sharing that on Facebook,
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I don't I don't only share when I'm happy and good on Facebook,
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sometimes it's dark places, but people need to see that,
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that other people like, they're not alone in, in that pain.
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So you turned your pain into purpose.
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I had no choice.
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Yeah.
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And I guess, you know, that's something that I tried to impart now.
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And that was kind of the crux of the project.
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I was of strangers was having harness the pain, pain as a teacher,
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payments and messenger and can can model us.
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It can really dismantle our lives in such a way.
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But what can rise from that?
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Something beautiful I think of painting is like the soil
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in which we grow it,
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and if we were trying to discard it and avoid it,
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we are missing out on the value of what that is and honoring that.
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Right? Right.
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And yeah, I think yeah, I guess I'll get into.
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Yes, please.
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So what kind of led me into that was coming out of the hospital sober.
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I had done job in a place today that's kind of searching for a while.
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And an acquaintance of my ex, take Me in,
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ended up moving through a couple of other situations,
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trying to reenter the workforce where I've got sexually harassed and fired
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and which culminated in my sexuality.
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So that was really discouraging.
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I had a convict from York kind of catfish me into thinking that
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he was hiring me to be his personal chef, and I made that very public.
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And I was, you know, here's my big break, me
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to go to New York and then I travel and maybe this guy, chef.
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And she ended up, you know, having quite a criminal history and being part of this.
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I was I was mortified.
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I was so embarrassed.
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I thought, you know, when when it's my time to come.
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Yeah.
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I never thought that I was going to be a ticket.
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But what was happening underneath that was I had been volunteering
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for friend who started a project kind of born out of her trauma.
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She had been sexually assaulted.
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She's a teenager at a music festival
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and finally gave up on people, gave up on life,
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and in sort of one last ditch effort
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to kind of find some open humanity,
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she created this postcard project
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asking people to share what they were grateful for.
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And over time and of course, of years, you began to get postcards
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about creative postcards from all over the country
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and internationally, and then felt kind of called
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to exhibit, use these stories
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and have been stories not just about what people are grateful for, but
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in sort of
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tragic experiences that they had, the losses
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and the things that sort of awaken them to gratitude.
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And so I was involved in
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doing some work with her to exhibit some of that work.
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And as I felt inspired to do something beyond just posting why,
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you know, days of sobriety on Facebook, I never thought for coffee.
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And I said, I'm thinking about and be combining inspiring quotes
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and pictures because I had been taking some photos
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the time I didn't consider myself a photographer,
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and I certainly didn't consider myself a writer.
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So just using other people's quotes
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and she was like, have you seen the humans in New York?
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And at that time I had it, which was kind of this form of journalism contact
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capturing, you know,
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photos of really strangers on the streets of New York
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and asking the questions and that sort of thing.
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So she kind of posed this to me under the umbrella
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of doing this for her project.
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And I don't consider myself an extrovert
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or something like super comfortable
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making conversations with people and unknown.
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But I was like, okay, yeah, let me try it.
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I wasn't working at the time.
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So I go on.
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The first person I approached, it was actually a farmer
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and just around the corner from where I was living and,
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and I had walked away and I was like, oh, maybe that was a moment to, to ask him.
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And so I turned around and I look back and sort of broke through my fears of like
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how he might respond or feeling ejected and somebody was grateful for.
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And then, you know, on and on.
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And I tend to be the course of probably a year and a half,
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I think I had asked people what they were grateful for,
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consulted them over 2000,
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2000 times, you know, and it began to get stories.
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And and that's the thing that stuck out to me was I wanted to be
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able to ask people other questions and to kind of diverge from
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and be grateful for what made you grateful and ask some similar questions.
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So then I thought, well, maybe I can sort of branch out and do my own thing.
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And if I were to do that, well, my brain won't be.
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And I thought, well, what am I trying to do?
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I'm trying to connect to the heart of the stranger.
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Ding, ding.
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And so came up with hearts of strangers.
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And then there was my question.
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I thought,
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that's the most challenging thing
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that you've experienced or currently experiencing.
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That became my opener.
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And I found that that brought people right to the place.
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And they like for their experiencing pain or had experience pain.
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And so that was kind of starting in the darkness and working towards the light.
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And that's kind of what the interviews did.
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I remember being interviewed.
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Yes, I was interviewing.
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Is there a book?
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Is this a book?
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It became a book series as well. Yeah.
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So it was initially
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like interviews and photographs that were posted on social media.
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Okay.
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And then that evolved into the sort of naked book and so became a book series,
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and then it even evolved into filming
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some of the interviews.
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Yeah, but tell us where you traveled
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because you didn't stay in Connecticut to do it. No.
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You're into doing that.
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The guy that I was living with was like, oh, she should make a book.
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And I think he was thinking, you know, like a just like a photo book
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kind of thing that you might do online for a family, a family photo album.
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Yeah.
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And but through kind of putting some of that out there and had people
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reaching out and saying, hey, I'm a graphic designer or design books.
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And so it became kind of like this stone soup
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situation where people were like, I had a talent, or I have something.
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And I think even what you're doing and I don't know how.
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And so it kind of ballooned from there.
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And the idea about kind of testing this recipe
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beyond the walls of Connecticut began to be enticing a thought,
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you know, if people are open to being interviewed here,
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and we
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hear a lot of stories from other parts of the country, right.
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And even as I was preparing to take the trip, I've got a lot of, you know,
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feedback from people of that country scared
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you should bring, you know, the friend because of like, one child, like,
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you know, what a fear based on this stuff.
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So the goal was to spend
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eight weeks traveling across country
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and that's that ended up being what I did by yourself.
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Yeah. Yes.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I mean that I, I and Maya, let me just say this.
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I admire people that can take trips by themselves.
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Listen, if I travel alone
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and I stay in my hotel, I won't even go out in the street.
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So I really.
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I really admired you.
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I was like, check this dude out.
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That was for eight weeks traveling by yourself.
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I think I offered you my my, at that time you had like a magellan GPS or something,
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but you already had one. But I was trying to like, help.
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I was like, you know, I don't want them getting lost.
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I got all Italian about it, but. So.
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So how many states did you actually hit?
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It's a good question.
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So I cut through, I think, like a lot of the upper middle
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states to get to the West Coast
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and that sort of point was San Francisco and then down the West Coast,
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back through all the lower states and then back up to eastern. Wow.
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Over the course of eight weeks, and
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I raised a measly amount of money
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through my Kickstarter, which not my sort of goal of $3,000,
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which I came back on my website thinking, yeah, well, luckily I think
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in like the last two days of the campaign doubled the funding amounts.
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I actually left at $6,000.
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So this is what you would use to travel with.
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That's what I would use. Wow. Okay.
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Of course I had a beat up car that would not have made that trip,
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so I had to rent a car and I didn't really consider
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the cost of lodging and food.
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That's right.
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And that was important that time you couldn't work
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because you made no money from this project? No, it was not.
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It was, you know, it was led by the heart, not by a business plan.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So I ended up spending a lot of nights in the car,
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you know, along the road and also having this really cool experience
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of some of the people that I met along the way that can be in Wow
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meal, offering me a shower, offering me,
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you know, place to sleep for a couple of nights.
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When I was in San Francisco, a woman had seen me taking some pictures and
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so kind of
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a famous park in San Francisco, forget the name of it,
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but I was there saving some pictures, and she was very intrigued by me,
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and I ended up talking to her about what
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I was doing in the project, and she was so cool.
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She gave me the keys to her and she had a surfer fan.
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Oh wow.
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And she wants her thing and had two sleeping situation in there.
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She had known me for maybe 30 minutes.
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It's crazy.
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The keys were bad nights coming in and out of that
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and got to read children at times stories
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and to have the days with families, accidents and credible people.
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Is there one particular person that really sticks out?
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Sorry, sorry sorry. See, we.
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I'm telling you, brilliant minds. Brilliant minds.
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But is there, like a story? Yeah.
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It's like. Wow. Yeah.
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I guess the the one that maybe stands out the most was.
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I ran into this gentleman in Denver, Colorado.
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He was doing some kind of work on the street, trying to
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raise
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awareness for some making nonprofit organization.
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I think I have run into and maybe a couple other people
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who are doing some of the work ethic on this hitting the streets.
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And, and I think I had just asked him a question.
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I had like short, shorter versions of the interviews from Ask People.
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It was compassion me to this connection to is vulnerable
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to try to get like little quick, quicker snippets
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that I could transcribe into up on social media and all the way.
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But I forget what I had asked.
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And and so I had that interaction with him.
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And then fast forward maybe like two weeks later,
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I'm in San Diego, Ocean Beach, at the boardwalk.
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And who I run into with this same guy
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from from Denver would be chances, right?
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And so I was like this, I'm going to like, seize this moment.
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And I did a more in-depth interview with him, and he ended up talking about
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his his issues with drinking.
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He was having a struggle with alcohol.
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We talked a little bit about his childhood and, you know,
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he thought even though maybe
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there wasn't a profound experience in that moment,
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I don't know that he would have talked about
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or even if the knowledge, you know, that you just struggling with drinking
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and maybe that he was self-medicating or that he was feeling evolves during the
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night and of broken home kind of thing, I don't know
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that he would have continued to that and whether or not he did anything
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following that interview to address that or change his life,
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there's power in saying things out loud, and I think there's
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a lack of someone to witness or
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hear what you need to get off our chest.
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And, you know, I think that that in hindsight,
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that's what I was doing for people.
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They were so ready to unload something,
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you know, finally somebody asking me type of thing.
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Yeah.
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Someone's curious, you know, someone's holding space for me to to to share this.
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And I think it would be really interesting to see
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where everyone's ended up.
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Yeah. Interviewed.
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And I have, you know, some idea for people that that maybe
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I consider friends, you know, of, of how their lives have evolved since.
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But yeah. Those. Yeah.
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But you're a very safe person.
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I like, I like I said like see his energy when I'm talking about like
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when I was going through some stuff recently,
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you didn't try to fix anything you said to me.
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Whenever you're ready, I'd love to hold some space with you.
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That to me, that was amazing to me.
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Like I'm like, oh my God.
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Like, okay, I don't have to explain what I need.
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You just wanted to come and hold space with me.
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And I just think that's beautiful.
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But I can see how people would open up to him.
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Yeah, right. Well, I think there's also something about.
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It's it's it's easier in a way, to open up to a stranger
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because you, you don't fear judgment as much, right?
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Because you don't know anything about them. You don't know where.
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Sometimes if you open up to friends you know, or family well,
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you already know what their preconceived notions are about things.
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We already know that, gosh,
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maybe they're going to think differently about me,
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but a stranger doesn't have any thoughts about you to begin with.
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They don't know you.
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Yeah, you have to see me again.
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But here's the kicker, right?
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The agreement and them sharing whatever they decided
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to share with me is that it's going to be public, right?
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Whoever they may be having that fear about,
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you know, perception, criticism, judgment,
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their secret being in notice
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there's a risk that they were willing to take often
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to ensure that someone else, someone
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that they will never meet, never know.
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You might not have to feel what they're feeling.
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To know that they're not about their wanting to
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step into that, that bravery
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out there.
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And I thought that was this sort of tremendous thing.
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And I think that, you know, there's the essence of the human spirit and our
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capacity for empathy when we've known pain.
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There's something about that,
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I think, especially when we're in the act, transforming it where
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we want to
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ensure that no one else has to feel that there has to know it the way that we did.
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Yeah.
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And that's I mean, just through people sharing your story, that was a way
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that they could sort of transform that pain into something that was useful.
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It's inspiring.
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It gives them that's kind of a lifeline or.
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Yet social media is still out there.
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So the YouTube channel that has some of the campaign videos
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and the interviews is still up, I think the Tumblr is still active,
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which is kind of the archive of all the photos and interviews.
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I had all this stuff on a website,
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but during Covid, a kind of I put it to bed.
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Yeah, during the Covid, just before Covid, my plan was to kind of
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turn this into a public project and invites
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every person to kind of use their camera phone.
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There's a recorder, go out and talk to one person.
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That's perfect.
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I one talk to one stranger and approach him
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with curiosity and compassion for you and the ripple effect.
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Yeah, right.
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Because we we interact with strangers
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all the time, have no idea what someone story is.
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They make a lot of broad assumptions.
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There's a lot of fear.
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There's a lot of judgment. Right.
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And that could really, I think, create a web of shared unity
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that could be really healing and powerful and yet
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increasingly guarded and honored and polarized.
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And Covid was not the time to invite people, hey, go see somebody.
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And I just think it's amazing.
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And I got to tell you everything about that project, even your merch, right?
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The t shirts, I think the t shirt says I am beautiful wasn't
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what is your t shirt say, do you remember you're beautiful.
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Yeah.
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Just everything.
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The way you approach the whole project was perfect.
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Would you ever do it again?
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I think I would.
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You know,
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when I look back on it, I'm kind of like, oh, I wonder if that was kind of
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like a test pilot for something that has the possibility
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to, like, reemerge in the future.
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Yeah.
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You know, now working as a therapist, I can really recognize that
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that was kind of like a lot of my training ground.
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Yeah.
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Particularly, you know, to be with people in their pain
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and not trying to fix it or change it or dismiss it
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to to remain curious,
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to quickly establish a sense of trust and safety.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I, I think that it's still a project
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like that still has value and I think maybe even more so.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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The world that we're setting and. Yeah.
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And I got to say, like I watched you become a therapist
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and you, it wasn't
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I mean, you really worked your ass off to get what you really wanted.
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And that was another thing that inspired me. I'm like, check this guy out.
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I mean, constantly studying, constantly, you know, it was it wasn't easy, right?
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I'm still not there yet.
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But I mean, I think that that's the journey.
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My my next step is to
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hopefully open my own private practice. Yes.
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I'm thinking about transplanting myself in BC in the coming years
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because there's a much bigger and more condensed LGBTQ plus population there.
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And I think if my specialty is trauma
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and working about what age group do you work with?
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Adults. Yeah.
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Right now my case case range is 19 to 74.
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Oh, wow.
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Working with a lot of males.
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Some other sexual.
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Trans women, trans men, binary folks.
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So gamut and and I really find that that work is meaningful.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I want to continue to be a vessel
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for people to heal and to come back home selves.
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And I just save and secure and return and.
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Yeah, so
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I'm still I'm still working really hard.
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You know, the studying, you know, some aspects is done and,
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and that and so forth.
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You know I'm still building.
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I'm building I'm always building, you know, how can I
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really use the time that I have left and the many years
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I have left in my career and my life
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to have the greatest impact.
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So I'm really trying to like, step forward and intentional way
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and to let you know
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by my heart as much as I can, even,
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you know, there's also financial
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reasons, you know, to to sort of be
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thinking about my future and sustain myself.
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But I always want
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to, you know, be by my heart, live in your heart, not in your head.
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Tell people that all the time.
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I just knew you as a photographer. I mean,
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no, he's much more than that.
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What?
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You're incredible human, and you've likely made a whole lot
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of difference to a whole lot of people already.
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And I think that that project is calling again.
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I vote yes. Yes.
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So now you can't say no because it's 2 to 1.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But you think about the idea of inviting people to participate.
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I love that, I love it, I love that idea.
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Yeah, absolutely. I would love to be a part of that.
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I would do it
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and just say, hey, because we don't know who's sitting in front of us.
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Like. Like I always tell people, just smile.
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Like when I'm walking down the street and I see somebody sitting there alone.
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Give them a smile.
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Nobody might even pay attention to that.
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Smile alone can make their day, you know.
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So lead with kindness in one day.
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A while ago, when there was this woman behind me who was just crying and crying,
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it makes me cry even to think about it, because.
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And I just. I couldn't leave without giving her a hug.
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And because when you see people in, in, in tears and in pain,
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it's just like you just want to help in some way or another.
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But the thing I try to teach my children constantly would talk about
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is that you never know somebody story, never, ever know what suffering is.
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Invisible, silent, could be silent.
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So I do think it's a fantastic idea to invite.
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I mean, I'm sure you're going to get you can have to go through a lot of
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maybe riff
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raff, but I think it's a fantastic idea, especially, especially now to to bring us
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closer as, as as as a community, as people, as humans.
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Humans. Yeah. But I just think I think you're amazing.
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I really, really do. Corey, thank you for all that. Yeah.
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And thank you for being on on the show today.
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We appreciate you.
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And definitely we'll let everybody if you do that project we will
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we will definitely blast it on the podcast.
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You know for sure.
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Thank you everyone for tuning in today.
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We'll see you next