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The Kenny Report | 16 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 4: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in for Chris Kenny. I'm here
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Speaker 4: in Bondai, which has become an international focal point.
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Speaker 3: For this tragedy.
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Speaker 4: I'll bring you the very latest tonight with Jonathan Duniam,
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Speaker 4: Alex Ripchen, Mark Moray, and Kevin Hogan.
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Speaker 3: But first, here is what we know as we go
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Speaker 3: to air.
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Speaker 4: Father and son terrorists Sajid and Navide Akram were inspired
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Speaker 4: by ISIS. The vehicle they used to drive to the
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Speaker 4: scene contained explosive devices.
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Speaker 3: As well as two ISIS flags.
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Speaker 4: The pair also traveled to the Philippines in the week
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Speaker 4: leading up to the attack, a hotspot for Islamic terror I.
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Speaker 5: Can confirm that they did travel to the Philippines. The
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Speaker 5: reasons why they went to the Philippines and the purpose
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Speaker 5: of that and where they went when they were there
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Speaker 5: is under investigation at the moment.
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Speaker 4: Throughout all this, we must never forget the victims confirmed
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Speaker 4: dead a ten year old Matilda Reuben Morrison, Marika Poganey,
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Speaker 4: Dan Elkerman, Rabbi Eli Schlanger, Yakov Levetan, Peter Maher, Alex
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Speaker 4: Klateman t Ball Whitsun. Another victim has today been identified
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Speaker 4: as a forty year old man who is yet to
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Speaker 4: be named. And for the first time today here at
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Speaker 4: the Bondai Pavilion, we heard from the heartbroken family of
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Speaker 4: Matilda and finally today an admission of sorts from the
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister that radical Islam is indeed at the heart
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Speaker 4: of this.
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Speaker 2: Is radical Islam a problem?
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Speaker 3: And how can hate preaching still be allowed?
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Speaker 6: Radical a perversion of Islam is absolutely a problem. It
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Speaker 6: is something that has been identified globally as a problem
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Speaker 6: as well. Isis is created by an evil ideology that
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Speaker 6: has been called out.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: My question tonight is if hate laws are in place,
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Speaker 4: why aren't radical preachers of hate being arrested? If what
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Speaker 4: happened here at Bondai means anything, the time for talk
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Speaker 4: and tolerance is over.
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Speaker 3: We need action.
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Speaker 4: Yet every day the Prime Minister offiscates the topic with
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Speaker 4: changes to gun laws as somehow now being his answer
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Speaker 4: to this.
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Speaker 6: The consideration that will take place includes limiting the number
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Speaker 6: of guns an individual can own, the type of guns
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Speaker 6: that I legal, whether gun ownership should require Australian citizenship,
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Speaker 6: and accelerating work on the National Firearm to registered.
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Speaker 4: Spare us, Prime Minister, Spare us the diversionary tactics. Spare
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Speaker 4: us the lectures about not being divided by hate and violence.
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Speaker 4: Spare us the lectures about confronting it head on. We
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Speaker 4: are done. The time for courage is now because radical
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Speaker 4: Islam poses the biggest threat to a Western democracy. It
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Speaker 4: is incompatible with our values. Yet labor has important hate
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Speaker 4: under the guise of healthy and sustainable multiculturalism.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's failed yet.
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Speaker 4: The Australian National Imam's Council spokesperson Belile Ralph told the
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Speaker 4: gabies see that it has nothing to do with immigration.
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Speaker 7: It is not about immigration or Palestine or who goes
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Speaker 7: to the beaches and who doesn't. It's really not. And
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Speaker 7: for those that say it is, well, get a hold
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Speaker 7: of yourself. There are people that are being killed. And
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Speaker 7: you know on your coverage you spoke about Ahmed de Lahmed.
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Speaker 7: Well guess what, he's off Syrian background and a Muslim
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Speaker 7: and a father of two. Now should we condemn him
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Speaker 7: as well? Will we say he shouldn't have migrated here
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Speaker 7: or he should never go to a beach, because that's
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Speaker 7: what it sounds like.
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Speaker 4: Yes, one of the heroes in this tragedy, Ahmed Our
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Speaker 4: Ahmed is a Muslim, and this man deserves all the
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Speaker 4: accolades he gets because the bravery he showed. We will
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Speaker 4: forever be in debt. But him being a Muslim is
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Speaker 4: not the point of contention here, because the majority of
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Speaker 4: Muslims live peacefully in the country and are equally as
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Speaker 4: horrified by wondersignit it.
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Speaker 3: But the point is there are pockets of Islam which
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Speaker 3: are extreme.
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Speaker 4: There are radical preachers in mosques around the country preaching
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Speaker 4: hate and harm, not just on Jews, but on the West,
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Speaker 4: on all of us. Where were the leaders when Sheik
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Speaker 4: Dadoun openly celebrated the October seven massacre on our streets.
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Speaker 8: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 9: I'm in Latan.
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Speaker 10: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 3: Where was the condemnation.
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Speaker 4: But Muslim leaders are not coming to the table on
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Speaker 4: this where the one's getting told to be tolerant. They're
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Speaker 4: not meeting us halfway, and neither is the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 4: and so the issue is tiptoed around, and we at
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Speaker 4: times are forced to feel like strangers in our own
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Speaker 4: country because there is no political willpower and no courage
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Speaker 4: to talk about it.
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Speaker 3: The tolerance isn't on us.
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Speaker 4: We've been tolerant for a long time in Australia, after
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Speaker 4: the Link Cafe siege, we watched in horror when nine
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Speaker 4: to eleven unfolded, the twenty fifteen Paris attacks, the London bombings.
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Speaker 3: The list goes on.
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Speaker 4: What about when Labour let in three thousand gardens with
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Speaker 4: little to no security checks, when Homer Fairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 4: Burke gave some private meet and greet at Sydney Airport,
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Speaker 4: or when Labour led in Isis Brides.
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Speaker 3: We've been tolerant, but the tolerance has worn thin.
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Speaker 4: And that was on show right here last night when
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke came down to this memorial in.
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Speaker 9: Okay, what have we done?
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Speaker 3: You have best futed your faults done.
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Speaker 4: And that's what happens when leaders are too preoccupied with
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Speaker 4: votes and picture opportunities rather than confronting the issues head on,
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Speaker 4: because eventually the tolerance snaps.
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Speaker 3: And now here we are at Bondai.
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Speaker 4: We have sleepwalked into this horrific massacre and the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister is talking about gun control and blaming it on
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Speaker 4: right wing extremism.
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Speaker 3: Former Prime Minister John Howard.
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Speaker 4: Who introduced sweeping reforms too gun laws in the wake
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Speaker 4: of the Port Arthur massacre, visited the Bondai Memorial today
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Speaker 4: to pay his own tributes to the victims and show
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Speaker 4: his support for the community, and he too wade into
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Speaker 4: the gun debate on Sky News.
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Speaker 9: You can't legislate people's heart, that's right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Decades ago it was documented that after World War One,
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Speaker 9: Germany wrote a beautiful sounding constitution was all overthrown and
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Speaker 9: the Nazis came to power then perpetrated. Is absolutely historical,
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Speaker 9: historic horror on the Jewish people, and they want leaders
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Speaker 9: who not only say the right things, but mean what
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Speaker 9: they say.
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Speaker 3: And look, John Howard is right.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister can't just legislate his way out of this.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Aberneze was also asked today about what he's doing
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Speaker 4: about hate preachers.
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Speaker 3: What are you doing right now to combat hate preaching.
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Speaker 6: See, we have past legislation to outlaw hate speech, the
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Speaker 6: first government to do so, to put in place those
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Speaker 6: laws as part of our response to any Semitism.
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Speaker 4: Well, if these laws exist, how about implementing them. I mean,
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Speaker 4: if there are they are in place, then why aren't
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Speaker 4: people being arrested in Mosques. I caught up with the
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Speaker 4: Minister of Diaspora Affairs of Israel, Amachai Chickley, who was
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Speaker 4: on a special mission to this country, and he is
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Speaker 4: worn that Australia is failing.
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Speaker 11: We saw the assaults on the Jewish community, leaders of
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Speaker 11: the community, synagogue's schools, the fit is. We saw a
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Speaker 11: rise of hundreds of percents of incidents and I hope
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Speaker 11: that this horrific Theo attack will be a rubicon for
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Speaker 11: the government to take much more decisive actions against jihadist incitement,
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Speaker 11: incitement in mosques, incitements in TV Algezera and others.
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Speaker 3: And I'll have more of that interview later in the show.
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Speaker 4: I also spoke to the CEO of the Zionis Federation
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Speaker 4: of Australia, Alan Casuto, who was equally as scathing.
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Speaker 12: We've been saying for two years that demonizing Jews, demonizing Zionis,
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Speaker 12: demonizing Israel, using horrific language by the thousands every week
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Speaker 12: in week out on our streets on social media will
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Speaker 12: lead to violence. Words lead to violence, Silence leads to violence.
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Speaker 12: The vacuum of leadership condemning these words and these acts
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Speaker 12: leads to violence and how.
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Speaker 3: Much can it be attributed to Labour's lack of action.
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Speaker 12: Our community is very angry. Our community is angry at
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Speaker 12: all levels of government. Our community is angry at the silence,
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Speaker 12: at the inaction. Our community is angry at the fact
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Speaker 12: that there were many symbolic gestures that emboldened those extremists
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Speaker 12: who were using hateful language against our community. Our community
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Speaker 12: is angry, rightfully so outraged, and we're seeking answers, We're
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Speaker 12: seeking leadership. I don't want to make this into a
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Speaker 12: political war of pointing fingers, but I think it's very
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Speaker 12: clear that Australia has a very serious problem of extremism,
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Speaker 12: of hatred, of anti Semitism, and of terrorism.
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Speaker 4: And look, we keep hearing that this is not the
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Speaker 4: Australia we know and love, and yes, that can.
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Speaker 3: Be said, but sadly, this is Australia now.
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Speaker 4: And this is more confirmation that the Australia we know
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Speaker 4: and love has changed. A country that was once a
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Speaker 4: safe place for Jews is no longer. This is not
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Speaker 4: peaceful right now. We are a divided country and it's
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Speaker 4: buckled as the social fibers of this nation have been
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Speaker 4: tested one too many times and.
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Speaker 3: The sad part is the sad part.
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Speaker 4: It has culminated in the worst mass shooting since the
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Speaker 4: Port Arthur massacre. Authorities around Jews have failed time and
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Speaker 4: time again in their very basic duty to protect freedoms,
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Speaker 4: our way of life, and democratic values. Instead, Labour put
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Speaker 4: votes first ahead of basic community safety, putting the values
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Speaker 4: of those who seek us harm ahead of our own,
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Speaker 4: importing radical Islam into this country, importing an ideology that
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Speaker 4: is incompatible.
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Speaker 3: With a Western democracy, and when the very.
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Speaker 4: Topic is raised, Labours quick to call out Islamophobia. Well
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Speaker 4: it's too late, and unless Labor and Muslim leaders stop
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Speaker 4: talking and act I do fear, we're all sitting ducks.
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Speaker 3: For joining me.
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Speaker 4: Now for more on this is Shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Dunham. Great to have you on the program this evening. Jonathan,
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Speaker 4: thank you so much for your time. Look, let's start
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Speaker 4: on this I mentioned there. The Prime Minister has today
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Speaker 4: finally acknowledged radical Islam.
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Speaker 3: He has danced around this.
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Speaker 4: Issue, but an admission of sorts that this is now
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Speaker 4: at the heart of it.
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Speaker 3: Why has it taken so long to get to this
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Speaker 3: point in your view?
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Speaker 13: Well, Denika, thanks for having me and what a sad occasion.
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Speaker 13: I mean, we've got hundreds of people here commemorating the
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Speaker 13: loss of fifteen innocent lives. And the fact is the
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister his government now can't escape the facts and
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Speaker 13: what the seed they're.
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Speaker 8: Written, what they've sown.
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Speaker 13: The reality is the tolerance they've shown, the willingness to
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Speaker 13: turn a blind eye to the things you've mentioned, have
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Speaker 13: led us to where we're at today.
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Speaker 8: For six months, this government has had sitting.
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Speaker 13: On their desk the report of the Special Envoid of
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Speaker 13: Combat Anti Semitism, and they've done nothing with it. And
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Speaker 13: so as a result, we've seen this heinous act, fifteen
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Speaker 13: lives lost. They can't run away from it anymore. Now
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Speaker 13: they say they're going to act, they say they're doing stuff.
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Speaker 13: Gillian Siegel says, they're not acting and haven't acted. So
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Speaker 13: as you say, the time for talk, the time for tolerance,
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Speaker 13: the time for thinking, it's well and truly past and
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Speaker 13: here we are today and we have to act well.
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Speaker 4: And it's not just that the anti Semitism envoys that report,
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Speaker 4: I mean that reports that on the Prime Minister's desk
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Speaker 4: for six months. But today he also said, well, we've
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Speaker 4: got hate speech laws in place. Now, my question is,
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Speaker 4: if there are indeed hate speech laws in place, why
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Speaker 4: have these hate preachers who are spewing hate constantly, why
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Speaker 4: has nobody been arrested so far?
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Speaker 8: And this is an excellent question.
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Speaker 13: I mean, they hide behind this, they point to this,
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Speaker 13: they point to other reforms they put in place. But
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Speaker 13: yet we've had fifteen people gunned down, innocent people, including
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Speaker 13: a ten year old girl, rabbi others who were just
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Speaker 13: going about their business and targeted at a specific group
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Speaker 13: of people simply because of their faith. So there is
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Speaker 13: no where this government can go. They haven't been implementing
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Speaker 13: the laws they have and I don't believe this argument,
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Speaker 13: this discussion around gun law reform is in any way
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Speaker 13: going to change what happened here. Unless you stamp out
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Speaker 13: anti semitism, you are going to do nothing to alter
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Speaker 13: what caused these events over the last day, and anything
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Speaker 13: less than stamping out anti semitism as frankly a failure
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Speaker 13: on the part of this government. We will see this
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Speaker 13: sort of thing happen again, no matter what they say.
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Speaker 13: We have an environment where this sort of thing is
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Speaker 13: being allowed to happen.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, gun laws to me just sound like
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Speaker 4: an excuse really as to not actually address the key
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Speaker 4: issues which we've just discussed. I've been speaking to a
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Speaker 4: lot of people here in the last few days, and
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Speaker 4: a lot of the Jewish community. They're saying to me,
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Speaker 4: we don't know where to go to now, we don't
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Speaker 4: know where to go to next.
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Speaker 3: What needs to happen now in your view?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think that first of all, the Jewish community,
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Speaker 13: the ones I've spoken to here, say, we told you
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Speaker 13: this would happen. We've been warning you for years this
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Speaker 13: would happen, not just the last two years, but for
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Speaker 13: a very long period of time. So we have let
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Speaker 13: them down as a country, We've let them down, and
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Speaker 13: we're all paying the price. What needs to happen now, well,
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Speaker 13: I think there are a few more questions that need
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Speaker 13: to be answered. How on earth is it that we
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Speaker 13: had two people who perpetrated these acts were allowed to
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Speaker 13: travel to the Philippines, as reports are indicating, and apparently
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Speaker 13: participate in again. Reports are saying terrorists like training. How
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Speaker 13: on earth did that slip through and then come back
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Speaker 13: to Australia and undertake the acts that they did with
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Speaker 13: home made explosives in their cars and Islamic state flags
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Speaker 13: as well to boot. What needs to happen is we
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Speaker 13: need to actually look at the laws relating to those
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Speaker 13: sorts of activities and how we can actually empower intelligence
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Speaker 13: agencies and law enforcement agencies to do the jobs they
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Speaker 13: need to do to protect our country. Make sure they're
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Speaker 13: properly resourced. I mean, it clearly is a resourcing issue.
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Speaker 13: I have every faith in the AFP that they can
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Speaker 13: do the job. What I don't have faith in is
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Speaker 13: this government. Ones who in secret bring back Isis brides
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Speaker 13: into this country and don't want people to know what
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Speaker 13: they're up to. The ones that will go to the
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Speaker 13: airport and welcome Taliestinian refugees coming into this country, but
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Speaker 13: will stand hardly by while this community is the one suffering,
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Speaker 13: and they run in here, pretend that they are sorry
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Speaker 13: about what happened, but do nothing to support them. They
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Speaker 13: need to act now, and the ball is in their court,
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Speaker 13: and I'm just so furious on behalf of this community
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Speaker 13: for what's happened.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all the other thing is is that, And we
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Speaker 4: were just talking there about the ASIO and our intelligence
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Speaker 4: agencies are the best in the world. But one question
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Speaker 4: I want to ask you, because the sun Naven, one
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Speaker 4: of the gunmen.
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Speaker 3: He was on a well, he was being monitored.
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Speaker 4: At one point by ASIO, and there are reports in
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Speaker 4: the Australian newspaper this afternoon that he had links to
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Speaker 4: an Islamic center in Bankstown, but it wasn't because of
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Speaker 4: his personal ideology. That's what the Prime Minister said yesterday.
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Speaker 4: But naturally there's a lot of concern about why he
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Speaker 4: actually wasn't being monitored. How does that work that a
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Speaker 4: person might be flagged but they're not being monitored properly
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Speaker 4: by ASIO.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and look again, this goes to the questions that
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Speaker 13: need to be answered, and I think the community deserve
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Speaker 13: the answers to these questions as well. So to be
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Speaker 13: involved with the Al Medina Dawa Center here in Sydney,
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Speaker 13: which of course is Islamic outreach, to be as has
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Speaker 13: been reported doing street outreach and trying to get people
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Speaker 13: to convert, but then additionally, to have been on a
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Speaker 13: list of people that is of interest to intelligence authorities,
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Speaker 13: and then subsequently though to be able to travel as
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Speaker 13: has been reported to the Philippines, a hotspot for terror
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Speaker 13: related activity, and to go unchecked, unnoticed, no red flag anywhere.
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Speaker 8: And this is in the last few.
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Speaker 13: Weeks month or so that this is alleged to have happened,
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Speaker 13: and then to come and perpetrate these acts.
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Speaker 8: Something has failed here.
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Speaker 13: We saw in the Australian also this morning, AFP officers
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Speaker 13: saying that the workload around the watch list is too great.
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Speaker 13: One officer monitoring twenty or thirty cases and it's just
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Speaker 13: not sustainable.
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Speaker 8: So it is a resourcing issue.
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Speaker 13: If the government are serious about protecting people like the
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Speaker 13: ones who've been impacted here, then they've got to fix
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Speaker 13: the system. This is happening on their watch and it
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Speaker 13: is at the feet of the Minister and the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: Look it certainly is, and there's so many unanswered questions
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Speaker 4: and look, the community's rightly shattered right now, but they
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Speaker 4: want answers. They've been wanting answers for the past two years.
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Speaker 4: Jonathan dunheam great to have you on. Thank you so
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Speaker 4: much for joining me on the show. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's move on now.
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Speaker 4: Joining me is our senior reporter Jonathan Lee, who has
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Speaker 4: been down at the scene all day having a look
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Speaker 4: at the tributes that are being laid and that the flowers,
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Speaker 4: the floral tributes are getting bigger and bigger. Jonathan, tell
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Speaker 4: us what you're seeing down.
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Speaker 8: There, Daneka.
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Speaker 2: There are hundreds of bouquets of flowers down here. This
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Speaker 2: is one of at least three, maybe four memorials which
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Speaker 2: have sprung up around Bondi.
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Speaker 8: The emotion gets too often.
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Speaker 2: This one to Daniel Caum, Thank you for always bringing
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Speaker 2: light into every room.
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Speaker 8: We'll remember you as someone.
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Speaker 2: Who always lives life to the fullest and marks even
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Speaker 2: the simplest moments and made them so much fun. We'll
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Speaker 2: move to this one up here if you can see.
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Speaker 8: May your soul soar.
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Speaker 2: Surrounded by peace and love. This one's important. Stamp out
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism. May the light be brought back into Australia.
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Speaker 2: May your memory be eternal, God bless. I want to
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Speaker 2: move just a little bit further down, if you'll come
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Speaker 2: with me, Daneka, so we can see. We know one
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Speaker 2: of our victims was young ten year old Matilda. There
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Speaker 2: are teddy bears, peace not hatred. It says there's the
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Speaker 2: name on an elephant. Perhaps the symbolism, if anything else,
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Speaker 2: of an elephant is having very long memories.
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Speaker 8: That these messages just go on and on. BONDI love
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Speaker 8: if we pin a little to the left and up,
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Speaker 8: you can see the RSL.
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Speaker 2: And the beret there, which comes with another mark of respect.
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Speaker 8: Deneka.
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Speaker 2: There is something so odd and incongruous about this incredible smell.
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Speaker 8: It's truly powerful, and.
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Speaker 2: You can feel the love and the heartbreaking on the
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Speaker 2: other side of this wall, the items which have been
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Speaker 2: left and are still waiting to be collected, Daneka.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's almost difficult to put into words, John
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Speaker 4: O as well. When you read some of those cards,
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Speaker 4: it truly is heartbreaking.
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Speaker 3: And we've both been.
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Speaker 4: Here for the last two days and those flooral tributes
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Speaker 4: have grown and grown, and we keep seeing people down
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Speaker 4: paying their respects, sitting in solidarity, hugging each other looks.
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Speaker 4: It is very difficult to put it into words what
20:10
Speaker 4: it's like the energy down here. Some of the Louis
20:13
Speaker 4: really appreciate you joining us. Yeah, thank you, thank you
20:16
Speaker 4: for that.
20:17
Speaker 3: Now.
20:17
Speaker 4: I mentioned a little earlier that I caught up with
20:19
Speaker 4: the israel Minister for Diaspora Affairs of Israel, Amachai Chickley.
20:25
Speaker 4: He made a special visit here to the memorial today
20:28
Speaker 4: from Israel, and he's worried, like a lot of Israeli
20:32
Speaker 4: ministers like Benjamin Netnyaho has been warning for some time
20:35
Speaker 4: and I managed to catch up with him.
20:37
Speaker 3: Here's a bit of what he told me.
20:39
Speaker 4: Dadekidi Joijo from Sky News Australia, thank you for coming
20:42
Speaker 4: here today.
20:43
Speaker 3: Can ask you why you have come? Why have you
20:45
Speaker 3: traveled here?
20:46
Speaker 11: One reason to stand strong with the Jewish community that
20:50
Speaker 11: stood strong with us after October seventh, and we are
20:54
Speaker 11: here to support them, to hug them and to be
20:57
Speaker 11: with them in their toughest hour.
21:00
Speaker 3: Who do you blame for what has occurred?
21:04
Speaker 11: Look, unfortunately, I'm not surprised. We've seen four months ago
21:11
Speaker 11: a huge demonstration here in Sydney. We've seen al Qaeda flags,
21:17
Speaker 11: Isis flags, ha Mass flags, Palestinian flags all together, tens
21:24
Speaker 11: of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of people chanting
21:29
Speaker 11: this to the Jews from the river to the sea,
21:33
Speaker 11: globalize the Antifada. And in a place where people this
21:39
Speaker 11: Jiodists feel free to raise Isis flag or to raise
21:44
Speaker 11: al Qaeda flags or ha Mass flags and to chant
21:48
Speaker 11: globalize the Antifada or from the river to the sea,
21:52
Speaker 11: there is zero surprise that these same people will take
21:55
Speaker 11: a shotgun or a knife and go and set a
21:59
Speaker 11: snago on file, or we'll just shoot innocent children and
22:03
Speaker 11: Holocaust survivors. We are gathering to celebrate Hanukah, so unfortunately
22:09
Speaker 11: there is zero surprise. We saw the assaults on the
22:12
Speaker 11: Jewish community, leaders of the community, synagogue schools.
22:16
Speaker 8: The fit is.
22:19
Speaker 11: We saw a rise of hundreds of percents of incidents
22:24
Speaker 11: and I hope that this horrific Theo attack will be
22:30
Speaker 11: a ubicon for the government to take much more decisive
22:35
Speaker 11: actions against jihad, this incitement, incitement in masks, incitements in
22:43
Speaker 11: TV Algegera and others, and that's.
22:47
Speaker 3: What I hope.
22:48
Speaker 11: But we're not here to have this political debate. We
22:52
Speaker 11: really came here for the sake of the community and
22:55
Speaker 11: to hug the community and support the community. That's the
22:57
Speaker 11: mission that we have here right now.
22:59
Speaker 3: Have you got message for Australia.
23:03
Speaker 11: People in His I love Australia and I just share
23:07
Speaker 11: a story with my friend my son. He loves surfing,
23:10
Speaker 11: so we had a dream to to come together to
23:14
Speaker 11: surf as a surfer. So people in His I love
23:19
Speaker 11: Australia and I wish for the for the OSSes that
23:24
Speaker 11: this state will be known for surfing, beautiful beaches and
23:30
Speaker 11: and not for tel attacks and not for anti Semitism,
23:33
Speaker 11: just like it used to be. And we love the
23:36
Speaker 11: people here. I think we share the same set of values.
23:40
Speaker 11: We love freedom, we love life, we love peace. That's
23:44
Speaker 11: who we are. And unfortunately because of the war, there's
23:48
Speaker 11: another image. But be well, well, what starts with the
23:57
Speaker 11: Jews never ends with the Jews, as Azaks used to see.
24:02
Speaker 11: And I hope we'd see peace in Australia.
24:04
Speaker 4: And Pierce in Islael, Yeah, that was Abachai Chickley there,
24:09
Speaker 4: and he's right, and we do share the same values.
24:11
Speaker 4: And let's hope that that dream that he spoke of,
24:14
Speaker 4: that we can get back to being that Australia.
24:16
Speaker 3: Once again that the world knows and loves does come
24:19
Speaker 3: back to fruition.
24:20
Speaker 4: We are going to take a quick break here from Bondi,
24:22
Speaker 4: but stay with us. Coming up after co CEO of
24:25
Speaker 4: the Executive Council of Australian Jury, Alex Ripchin.
24:27
Speaker 3: That's next.
24:32
Speaker 4: Welcome back to our special coverage of the Bondai massacre.
24:35
Speaker 4: Joining me now is co CEO of the Executive Council
24:37
Speaker 4: of Australian Jury, Alex Ripchin. Alex, thank you so much
24:40
Speaker 4: for joining me. We always appreciate your time. Look, we
24:44
Speaker 4: were just talking to Jonathan Lee just before, and he
24:46
Speaker 4: was showing us that the memorials here, not just here
24:48
Speaker 4: behind us. I mean that this has been growing and
24:50
Speaker 4: growing by the day, but in other parts of Bondi
24:53
Speaker 4: as well. People are coming sitting in solidarity, laying flowers.
24:57
Speaker 3: As a member of the community.
24:59
Speaker 4: What I mean, what does this say about how the
25:01
Speaker 4: community has responded to this.
25:03
Speaker 14: It says what we always knew, which is that this
25:06
Speaker 14: country of ours is great and has made up predominantly
25:09
Speaker 14: of fair minded, decent, loving human beings. And when they
25:12
Speaker 14: see these images of two psychotics shooting human beings as
25:19
Speaker 14: though they're they're animals, children, the elderly are speaking to
25:22
Speaker 14: one of the survivors today, he was telling me that
25:25
Speaker 14: he saw one of the gunmen picking off elderly people
25:27
Speaker 14: with headshots. You know, this is the level of barbarism
25:31
Speaker 14: and savagery that we're dealing with here, And of course
25:34
Speaker 14: ninety nine percent of Austrains abhor that, and they've come
25:37
Speaker 14: here to support the Jewish community. And I've been here
25:40
Speaker 14: all day speaking to members of you know, all different
25:43
Speaker 14: communities who have come from all over the state, Indigenous leaders,
25:47
Speaker 14: ordinary people who've come to show love for the Jewish
25:49
Speaker 14: community and to figuratively and literally throw their arms around
25:53
Speaker 14: us and show their soldarian support. And it's beautiful, and
25:56
Speaker 14: there are so many stories that are coming out again
25:58
Speaker 14: from survivors. There's also the story of one of the victims,
26:02
Speaker 14: Reuben Solomon, who so heroically tried to confront one of
26:06
Speaker 14: the gunmen, threw a rock at him and was shot dead.
26:09
Speaker 14: Reuven was an extraordinary human being. He was one of
26:11
Speaker 14: the people who willed the synagogue into existence through his
26:15
Speaker 14: enterprise and charity and devotion, and his loss will be
26:19
Speaker 14: felt by this community, as will all the losses. So
26:22
Speaker 14: we're really suffering at the moment, as you know, as
26:24
Speaker 14: you've seen, but we know that the strains are with
26:27
Speaker 14: us and we feel it so intensely at the moment.
26:29
Speaker 14: You know, the Sydney Swans came down on how it
26:32
Speaker 14: was here. It almost surprises a little bit because in
26:34
Speaker 14: a way we still feel like it's our own internal tragedy,
26:37
Speaker 14: but it's not. It's a national catastrophe. This is the
26:40
Speaker 14: worst mass killing since Port Arthur, which says something about
26:45
Speaker 14: the peacefulness of this country. But we've been rocked and
26:47
Speaker 14: we've been shaken, and things have changed here irrevocably.
26:51
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes when the worst of humanity is shown,
26:55
Speaker 4: at the same time the very best of humanity is shown.
26:58
Speaker 4: Because we've seen people from all walks of life, everybody,
27:02
Speaker 4: everybody has been affected by this, you know, not just
27:05
Speaker 4: the Jewish community. I want to talk to you about
27:07
Speaker 4: the anti Semitism report by the Special Envoy Gillian Siegel.
27:11
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister, of course, held that emergency meeting of
27:13
Speaker 4: National Cabinet in the wake of the Bondai massacre.
27:16
Speaker 3: He did not raise it.
27:18
Speaker 4: He did not raise it, though it's been sitting on
27:19
Speaker 4: his desk now catching dust for the last six months.
27:22
Speaker 4: He was asked about this at his press conference today.
27:25
Speaker 4: This is what he said in response, Have a listen.
27:28
Speaker 6: That is what it is. We have taken the report
27:32
Speaker 6: from the Anti Semitism Void and what we are doing
27:35
Speaker 6: is busy implementing it. And we talked about that yesterday.
27:39
Speaker 6: We went through the full range of measures which we
27:42
Speaker 6: are doing. I talked about it, including the hate speech,
27:47
Speaker 6: Nazi symbols, what we're doing on dosing, what we've done
27:50
Speaker 6: with the creation of the National Student Nombudsman, what we're
27:53
Speaker 6: doing with the education program on together for humanity and
27:58
Speaker 6: skills as well as secure already migration issues and cultural
28:03
Speaker 6: issues as well.
28:09
Speaker 4: So alex As you heard him there saying, no, well,
28:11
Speaker 4: we are implementing it.
28:13
Speaker 3: We are doing it. Is Is that how you feel?
28:16
Speaker 14: Do you think he is implementing Look, it's not the
28:18
Speaker 14: experience of the community at all. From my conversations with
28:21
Speaker 14: Gillian Siegel, it's not her experience either. And you know
28:24
Speaker 14: we heard after Jillian handed down that report in August.
28:27
Speaker 14: I believe their education is to say that he's going
28:31
Speaker 14: to hold off on implementation until this lamophobia report comes out,
28:35
Speaker 14: which was just scandalous at the time, and we knew
28:37
Speaker 14: that there was no time to dither. We knew this
28:39
Speaker 14: was a matter of urgency. The whole point of that
28:42
Speaker 14: diligent piece of work by Gillian Siegel, who consulted widely
28:44
Speaker 14: in formulating that she built on the work that people
28:47
Speaker 14: like you and me did at the Sky News Anti
28:49
Speaker 14: Semitism summit with Shari led It was to have a
28:53
Speaker 14: series of meaningful, clear reforms that would prevent us from
28:59
Speaker 14: getting here. That's exactly what this was about. We were
29:02
Speaker 14: in a crisis and we didn't want to be in
29:03
Speaker 14: a massacre. And the failure to implement meaningful reforms then
29:07
Speaker 14: is why we are where we are. And the fact
29:10
Speaker 14: that the government now is talking about having implemented it
29:12
Speaker 14: in part or whatever, it's so hollow and I'm not
29:15
Speaker 14: sure it's factually accurate either.
29:17
Speaker 4: No, well, that's the thing, and as we said, it's
29:19
Speaker 4: been sitting on the desk for six months and there
29:21
Speaker 4: was some terrific recommendations in that report, and for the
29:25
Speaker 4: Prime Minister to not even raise it as an emergency,
29:28
Speaker 4: an emergency National Cabinet meeting number one priority after fifteen
29:31
Speaker 4: people emerdered, I.
29:33
Speaker 3: Just think it just absolutely beggars belief. Alex. I have
29:38
Speaker 3: to ask you, because.
29:39
Speaker 4: You've been down here for the last two days and
29:41
Speaker 4: you are such an integral member of the Jewish community.
29:43
Speaker 4: You really do such a wonderful job.
29:46
Speaker 3: How are you? How are you doing personally?
29:51
Speaker 9: I don't know.
29:51
Speaker 14: That's not an easy thing to contemplate. I don't think
29:54
Speaker 14: anyone's doing particularly well. And if they tell you they're
29:56
Speaker 14: doing well, I think they're misleading you or themselves. So
30:00
Speaker 14: I'm not sure to be honest, but I'm buoyed by
30:03
Speaker 14: being part of a wonderful community and I know we're united,
30:07
Speaker 14: and I know I'm part of a tradition of thousands
30:09
Speaker 14: of years of history ofwithstanding the greatest hardship and foes
30:13
Speaker 14: that fall by the wayside, and we succeed and we
30:16
Speaker 14: survive and we endure. And the reason is simple. It's
30:18
Speaker 14: because we believe in an eternal truth of life over death.
30:21
Speaker 14: We believe in our traditions in our community, in the
30:24
Speaker 14: goodness of life, and that's why we get through these catastrophes.
30:28
Speaker 14: But this is a catastrophe, to be sure, and you
30:31
Speaker 14: know we're suffering, and in the coming days we'll bury
30:34
Speaker 14: our dead, which will be important to begin a healing process,
30:38
Speaker 14: but will be really painful as well to see that happen.
30:41
Speaker 14: But we'll get through this one day at a time.
30:43
Speaker 14: That's the only way.
30:44
Speaker 8: Yeah.
30:44
Speaker 4: Well, look, you're doing a wonderful job being an advocate
30:47
Speaker 4: for this community, and you know, our hearts do go
30:49
Speaker 4: out to everybody because it's been a very, very tough
30:51
Speaker 4: few days.
30:51
Speaker 3: It's been a tough two years, but.
30:53
Speaker 4: It's culminated in the most horrific atrocity.
30:56
Speaker 3: Alex Riften. Great to have you on. Thank you very
30:58
Speaker 3: much for joining me. Really, I really appreciate it.
31:01
Speaker 4: Thank you well joining me now for more is the
31:05
Speaker 4: crime editor at the Daily Telegraph, Mark Murray.
31:08
Speaker 3: Mark, thank you very much for your time.
31:10
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the two gunmen, because police revealed this
31:14
Speaker 4: afternoon that they were indeed inspired by ISIS, that they
31:18
Speaker 4: had an ISIS flag in the car that which they
31:20
Speaker 4: drove to Bondi. They were also explosive devices found. But
31:24
Speaker 4: crucially as well, that they traveled to the Philippines and
31:26
Speaker 4: the month leading up to this.
31:29
Speaker 3: Why is that significant?
31:31
Speaker 15: Tell us more well that Philippines since about twenty nineteen,
31:35
Speaker 15: is ISIS was faltering in other parts, Philippines became a
31:39
Speaker 15: hot spot for terrorist organizations and ISIS to start trying
31:42
Speaker 15: to train people. Now, you know, the investigation will look
31:47
Speaker 15: very very closely at how they traveled there, what they
31:50
Speaker 15: were doing, what parts they went to. Parts of the
31:52
Speaker 15: South are known to be very very big on helping
31:55
Speaker 15: out some of those organizations. Now you know, ISIS it
32:01
Speaker 15: was something that I think we thought was almost over.
32:04
Speaker 15: You know, we had the Limp siege and we had
32:07
Speaker 15: quite a few incidents in New South Wales Police and
32:10
Speaker 15: Australian authorities stopped a lot of potential attacks. In some ways,
32:17
Speaker 15: there was a false sense of security I think, and
32:20
Speaker 15: I don't think anybody saw this coming from ISIS particularly.
32:29
Speaker 4: No and there was reports today in the Australian that
32:33
Speaker 4: the Sun have Ben had links to ISIS through one
32:37
Speaker 4: of the Bankstown Islamic centers. But I want to talk
32:40
Speaker 4: to you about that because as did admit that they
32:44
Speaker 4: had him on their radar, but they weren't looking at
32:47
Speaker 4: him as a specific threat.
32:49
Speaker 3: It doesn't really leave you with a lot of confidence.
32:52
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't he have been investigated in the first place.
32:55
Speaker 15: I've asked other people, not Asia, they're not the most
32:59
Speaker 15: talkative organisation to journalists. But what we found a bit
33:05
Speaker 15: hard to figure out is yes, he was on their radar,
33:08
Speaker 15: considered a low level threat, and he was only nineteen,
33:12
Speaker 15: and it was never revisited again to see what had happened.
33:15
Speaker 15: Now they'll obviously be looking at it where they may
33:19
Speaker 15: have fallen down, because I think a lot of people
33:22
Speaker 15: are asking exactly that question, you are, what sort of
33:25
Speaker 15: confidence can we have in an organization that flags somebody
33:30
Speaker 15: and then six years later they have now been accused
33:34
Speaker 15: of killing fifteen people and wounding many many others. So
33:40
Speaker 15: it's a very fair question that Australian should be asking,
33:43
Speaker 15: and I think the head of Asia should be standing
33:46
Speaker 15: up and trying to explain it to the people and
33:48
Speaker 15: not hiding under the fact we're having an inquiry. We
33:51
Speaker 15: need to know the answers.
33:53
Speaker 4: Now, Mark, just some breaking news that our viewers can
33:57
Speaker 4: see that at the bottom of our screen that the
33:59
Speaker 4: alleged bondid Gone is now out of a coma. This is,
34:01
Speaker 4: of course, the twenty four year old son Devine that
34:03
Speaker 4: we were just talking about. What happens then now with
34:08
Speaker 4: this investigation he's woken from his coma.
34:10
Speaker 3: What happens next?
34:11
Speaker 15: Mark, Now, police have already indicated that they will very
34:14
Speaker 15: quickly they'll be looking at charging him for multiple counts
34:18
Speaker 15: of death relating to the shooting. Now they will still
34:23
Speaker 15: their investigation is obviously still in its infancy, but you
34:26
Speaker 15: know expect charges to be laid fairly quickly and you
34:31
Speaker 15: would expect they will not be granted and police will
34:34
Speaker 15: now start trying to collate forensically evidence, all sorts of
34:40
Speaker 15: evidence that they will be presenting to the court. So
34:43
Speaker 15: you know this will be dragging out for the next
34:46
Speaker 15: couple of years.
34:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's going to be interesting to see what
34:51
Speaker 4: happens now. But that breaking news that the alleged Bondi
34:54
Speaker 4: gunman is now out of a coma, so I'm sure
34:56
Speaker 4: police will provide more on that Mark. We also heard
35:01
Speaker 4: from the police commissioner today he has clarified the timeline
35:05
Speaker 4: of events of when the father the father was able
35:09
Speaker 4: to obtain a gun license. Take us through that timeline
35:13
Speaker 4: and why that changes things.
35:15
Speaker 15: Well, initially we were led to believe that he had
35:18
Speaker 15: been held he'd held a gun license for the last
35:20
Speaker 15: ten years. Now what has emerged is in fact that
35:22
Speaker 15: he applied for one in twenty fifteen.
35:25
Speaker 8: It lapsed because he didn't.
35:26
Speaker 15: Get photoid, so that application was withdrawn basically in twenty sixteen. Again,
35:32
Speaker 15: now he's left it for some time till twenty twenty
35:35
Speaker 15: before applying again and was granted a license in twenty
35:38
Speaker 15: twenty three. Now there's a whole lot of questions, not
35:43
Speaker 15: so much around just the gun license.
35:45
Speaker 8: It's now emerged that.
35:46
Speaker 15: Philippine authorities are saying that the pair traveled over there
35:51
Speaker 15: into that country on Indian passports. Now the prime minister
35:56
Speaker 15: refused to say where they originated from where the father
36:01
Speaker 15: was born. Today he said, no, it's part of an investigation.
36:05
Speaker 15: I've been led to believe that New South Wales police
36:07
Speaker 15: thought that the father was potentially from Pakistan. Also that
36:11
Speaker 15: the son who's now woken from his coma and we're
36:14
Speaker 15: going to get now, has been alleged to be involved.
36:17
Speaker 15: That he was not a dual citizen of any country.
36:20
Speaker 15: So there are a lot of questions, you know, about
36:22
Speaker 15: their identities, what they're using. They again to come into
36:26
Speaker 15: this confusion of a ten year, eight year difference between
36:31
Speaker 15: when he applied for a license when he was eventually
36:33
Speaker 15: granted one.
36:37
Speaker 4: Well okay, well that changes. That certainly changes things. But
36:40
Speaker 4: you're right though, I mean, there are so many unanswered
36:42
Speaker 4: questions now. Look it's still obviously early in the investigation,
36:46
Speaker 4: but that confirmation today firstly the alleged government's woken from
36:49
Speaker 4: the coma, and secondly that the pair were indeed inspired
36:53
Speaker 4: by ISIS and the ISIS flag was found in their vehicle.
36:56
Speaker 4: Mart Murray, good to chat with you. Thank you so
36:58
Speaker 4: much for joining me on the show. Really appreciate it.
37:01
Speaker 3: Stay with us. We are going to take a quick break.
37:03
Speaker 4: Coming up, I'll be joined by the Deputy Nationals Leader,
37:05
Speaker 4: Kevin Hogan.
37:12
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program.
37:13
Speaker 4: Joining me now is Deputy Nationals Leader Kevin Hogan.
37:15
Speaker 3: Kevin, great to have you on tonight. Thank you so much. Look,
37:19
Speaker 3: we've been talking.
37:20
Speaker 4: A lot about the threat of radical Islam. This morning
37:22
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister finally acknowledge that it.
37:24
Speaker 3: Is indeed at the heart of this issue.
37:26
Speaker 4: But I want to talk to you about immigration because
37:30
Speaker 4: this is not being against immigration in this country, because
37:34
Speaker 4: that's not the point of this. And don't forget the hero,
37:37
Speaker 4: the hero of all this came from Syria. He is
37:39
Speaker 4: a Muslim Man himself. But it's about better checks and balances.
37:44
Speaker 4: So how do we get to that point?
37:46
Speaker 16: Well, very important, Danise, And as you said, you're the
37:49
Speaker 16: hero of this also is a Muslim Man. But we
37:51
Speaker 16: have a radical Islamist element into our community. And I
37:54
Speaker 16: think we saw it not long after October the seventh,
37:56
Speaker 16: where we saw those people celebrating that massacre outside the
38:00
Speaker 16: opera house. So you know these people are here and
38:02
Speaker 16: these people exist. Jillian Siegel, as you mentioned earlier, she
38:05
Speaker 16: made a recommend They made a recommendation that the immigration
38:08
Speaker 16: in this country has to change and have higher bars
38:12
Speaker 16: in weeding out people with anti Semitic views. I mean,
38:15
Speaker 16: there are people in this country who are celebrating what happened,
38:19
Speaker 16: and we have to know who they are and they
38:20
Speaker 16: either have to leave if they're dual citizens, or not
38:23
Speaker 16: come here. I mean, this is the Jewish community in
38:26
Speaker 16: our country do not feel safe, and we know that
38:28
Speaker 16: and for good reason.
38:29
Speaker 4: And it's not okay, No, it's not okay. The Prime
38:32
Speaker 4: Minister is talking about gun control. That's that's the angle
38:34
Speaker 4: that he's taking here. Now, obviously, you know, being a
38:38
Speaker 4: national you would know that regional Australia guns are a
38:42
Speaker 4: big issue, that there are a lot more out in
38:44
Speaker 4: the regions.
38:45
Speaker 3: But is this really the heart of the problem.
38:47
Speaker 16: Look, it's not me saying that the Jewish community are
38:50
Speaker 16: saying the Prime Minister has had weak leadership on this
38:52
Speaker 16: issue for the last over two years. They're saying that
38:55
Speaker 16: to us. They're saying that's how they feel.
38:58
Speaker 8: Look, this issue is.
38:59
Speaker 16: About anti Semitism and radical Islamists in this country. They're
39:03
Speaker 16: going to they had bombs here. Gun control wouldn't stop
39:06
Speaker 16: the bombs that they brought down here. To let off,
39:08
Speaker 16: we've had a synagogue being burnt down here in this country.
39:11
Speaker 16: We've had a lot of other things that have happened.
39:13
Speaker 16: So this is about radical Islam and we have to
39:16
Speaker 16: deal with this and deal with it thoroughly. Gun control
39:19
Speaker 16: isn't going to do that.
39:20
Speaker 3: So what do we do? What do we do? Because
39:22
Speaker 3: I've been speaking to so many Jews.
39:23
Speaker 4: Here the last two days. Where do we go to
39:26
Speaker 4: from here? And how do we tackle that problem?
39:27
Speaker 7: Well?
39:27
Speaker 16: Look, one is Asio obviously need more support as well.
39:31
Speaker 16: I mean, they've obviously identified some of these people. I
39:33
Speaker 16: think there needs to be things happened. They've they identified
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Speaker 16: one of these terrorists we know, so there has to
39:38
Speaker 16: be more that they can do and should do as
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Speaker 16: part of this as well. But we need tougher immigration
39:43
Speaker 16: laws in making sure that No we've just got we've
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Speaker 16: got three thousand people coming from Gaza thaniker. As you know,
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Speaker 16: we've had ISI supporters coming back into this country in
39:51
Speaker 16: the last few weeks. The controls over that need to
39:53
Speaker 16: be much better because if those some of those three
39:56
Speaker 16: thousand people coming from Gaza support and celebrate what's happened here,
40:00
Speaker 16: that isn't okay. And we all, I think have some
40:02
Speaker 16: things about that well.
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Speaker 3: And it's not just that. I mean, don't forget.
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke did a private meet and greet with some
40:07
Speaker 4: of them at Sydney Airport and you've probably seen the vision.
40:10
Speaker 4: When he did a come to the memorial late last night,
40:12
Speaker 4: he was heckled. They said, you've got blood on their hands,
40:15
Speaker 4: on your hands. So he wasn't welcome here because of
40:18
Speaker 4: the policies that he and Anthony Alberanez he have put
40:21
Speaker 4: in place from the beginning. As you said, these three
40:23
Speaker 4: thousand gardens that have come here, you've taken some time
40:27
Speaker 4: to see the memorial.
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Speaker 3: We talk about the.
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Speaker 4: Worst of times, but in the light there's also the
40:33
Speaker 4: very best.
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Speaker 3: Has it brought Australia closer together?
40:37
Speaker 4: I mean, it's sad that it's taken this but what
40:40
Speaker 4: do you think?
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Speaker 16: Well, I hope so, Tonick. It's very moving been here.
40:44
Speaker 16: It's very emotional being here. I mean, just earlier everyone
40:48
Speaker 16: broke into a spontaneous national anthem, anth.
40:51
Speaker 3: Boxing Matilda two. They've been singing today.
40:53
Speaker 16: There's a lot of hugging going on and there's a
40:54
Speaker 16: lot of good will here and a lot of love here,
40:57
Speaker 16: but there's a lot of healing to do. Here and
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Speaker 16: you know it's going to be a earning for us
41:00
Speaker 16: as a country. But you know again as leadership, we
41:02
Speaker 16: need stronger and semitism laws here.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yet the report by Jillian Siegel sat on the
41:08
Speaker 4: Prime Minister's desk now for for six months. It's catching dust.
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Speaker 4: Good to have you on, Kevin Hogan, Thank you so
41:14
Speaker 4: much for joining me. Really really appreciate it. Thanks, thanks
41:16
Speaker 4: so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: We'll stay with us. We are going to take a
41:19
Speaker 3: quick break.
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Speaker 4: Coming up, I'll be joined by my panels Susi O'Brien
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Speaker 4: and Stephen SENATMPO to get into the key topics as
41:25
Speaker 4: we continue our special coverage of the Bondi massacrep.
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Speaker 3: That's next, Well, welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Let's bring in our panel now, News Corps National Education
41:36
Speaker 4: Editor Susi O'Brien and Radio two CC host Stephen Senatempo.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining me on the program
41:43
Speaker 4: this afternoon. I want to start at the ABC. A
41:46
Speaker 4: very brave woman whose father was shot in the Bondai massacup.
41:50
Speaker 4: She was interviewed this morning here at the memorial by
41:53
Speaker 4: ABC and she really gave the presenters thought of her mind,
41:58
Speaker 4: a piece of her mind about what she thought about
42:00
Speaker 4: the bias that's been shown by the national broadcaster throughout
42:04
Speaker 4: this war. Have a listened to this and ABC, I've
42:08
Speaker 4: got to say, will you cut out the.
42:12
Speaker 3: Bias reporting mainstream media? We feel we've Yeah, will you?
42:18
Speaker 3: Will you cut it out? Will you actually let us
42:21
Speaker 3: have a voice? Susie.
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Speaker 4: I just think that she showed incredible bravery and composure
42:27
Speaker 4: to even say that, what do you make that she
42:30
Speaker 4: actually confronted them?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, and it's interesting they didn't really respond that it
42:37
Speaker 17: was kind of radio silence about those allegations. I certainly
42:41
Speaker 17: know that the media as a whole has been incredibly
42:45
Speaker 17: supportive of the Jewish people in the last two years
42:48
Speaker 17: since October seven. I think the ABC there have been
42:51
Speaker 17: times where some of the coverage has just been playing bizarre,
42:54
Speaker 17: where they've skated over the feelings and the experiences of
42:59
Speaker 17: Jewish people and have kind of magnified some of the
43:03
Speaker 17: experiences of Muslim people and Palestinians. You know, a national
43:08
Speaker 17: broadcaster needs to do better than that, and it would
43:10
Speaker 17: have been nice for them to at least acknowledge that
43:13
Speaker 17: she had said that in that interview.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I just think that a lot of
43:19
Speaker 4: the reporters have brought their personal biases into the workplace
43:22
Speaker 4: in the last two years and haven't given this topic,
43:24
Speaker 4: this very important topic, the topic.
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Speaker 3: The coverage that it deserved. Stephen, what do you make
43:29
Speaker 3: of the woman confronting them this morning?
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Speaker 18: Well, good honor. I mean, hopefully that's the wake up
43:35
Speaker 18: call for the National Broadcaster that somebody from the Jewish
43:38
Speaker 18: community is actually telling them to their faces, this is
43:40
Speaker 18: how we feel about the way you're betraying us and
43:43
Speaker 18: the way you're portraying this issue. But having said that,
43:45
Speaker 18: the wheels have fallen off the National Broadcaster for quite
43:49
Speaker 18: some time now, and when the lead that the government
43:51
Speaker 18: is playing plays into that same narrative, well what do
43:55
Speaker 18: you expect? I mean, it's a fish rots from the
43:58
Speaker 18: head and the ishes rotting well. And truly at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
44:06
Speaker 4: Earlier on we saw One Nation leader Pauline Hansen come
44:09
Speaker 4: with her new recruits, Barnaby Joyce, and I've got to
44:11
Speaker 4: say they were given a resounding applause. They spent time
44:15
Speaker 4: talking to the mourners down here and here's.
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Speaker 3: A bit of what they had to say.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen for Albinice to come out. He can't
44:21
Speaker 1: of use the word that this is an Islamic terrorist attack.
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Speaker 3: He kin't of use their words.
44:26
Speaker 1: He's now deflecting to it the gun's issue, and so
44:29
Speaker 1: it's meant it's not about the guns, it's a person
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Speaker 1: behind the guns.
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Speaker 10: There is not multiculturalism. Let's just remove that from the lexicon.
44:38
Speaker 10: There is an Australian culture and it comes with certain
44:40
Speaker 10: rules and certain guidelines, and that those guidelines go into
44:44
Speaker 10: policy and if they're not fulfilled, they're fulfilled in our
44:47
Speaker 10: attitude and they're fulfilled in policy.
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Speaker 3: Susie Pauline Hanson has been warning.
44:55
Speaker 4: About this for years and continues to do so without fear.
44:59
Speaker 3: She says it like it is.
45:01
Speaker 4: Has she delivered some hard truths again today.
45:06
Speaker 3: Look, I do agree with some of what she's saying.
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Speaker 17: However, you know she's saying it's not about the gun
45:11
Speaker 17: as well. I think we do need to look at
45:13
Speaker 17: tighter gun control. She's also saying that she and Barnaby
45:16
Speaker 17: are not they're playing politics. You know, this is about
45:18
Speaker 17: the issues, but of course they're playing politics. She's out there,
45:21
Speaker 17: you know, on that site showing off her new recruit.
45:24
Speaker 17: And I also don't necessarily agree with Barnaby when he says,
45:27
Speaker 17: you know, Australia, you know is this just goes to
45:30
Speaker 17: show that the evils of a multicultural society. I actually
45:34
Speaker 17: think Australians as a multicultural society are coming together at
45:38
Speaker 17: a time like this and that we are showing just
45:42
Speaker 17: how united we can be. So I'm not a fan
45:45
Speaker 17: of the two of them standing there.
45:46
Speaker 3: I don't agree with.
45:47
Speaker 17: Everything they said, but certainly the broader message about the
45:53
Speaker 17: sorrow and the heartbreak that every day Australians are facing,
45:57
Speaker 17: I think certainly they're.
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Speaker 3: On the money on that.
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Speaker 17: Look.
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Speaker 3: I don't doubt it.
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Speaker 4: We are a multicultural society, but I think obviously that
46:06
Speaker 4: hard truths need to be spoken about Stephen, about radical Islam,
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Speaker 4: and that is at the heart.
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Speaker 3: Of all of this.
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Speaker 18: It is, and let's go back a step. We are
46:15
Speaker 18: not a multicultural society. Multiculturalism is everybody making their own
46:19
Speaker 18: arrangements and living their own cultures alongside each other, separate
46:23
Speaker 18: from each other. What we think multiculturalism is is actually cosmopolitanism.
46:27
Speaker 18: That's what Australians want. They've just we've been hijacked by
46:30
Speaker 18: the language. But Paul Enhanser's right, it is about radical Islam.
46:34
Speaker 18: But it's all well and good to point out the problem,
46:36
Speaker 18: but what about the solution? And when it comes to
46:39
Speaker 18: Barnaby Joyce, where was he with all of this rhetoric
46:41
Speaker 18: for the last twenty years? I mean he was the
46:43
Speaker 18: Deputy Prime Minister on two occasions. What did he do
46:45
Speaker 18: to solve all of this?
46:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's a wonderful question. Again, too many unanswered
46:52
Speaker 4: questions right now, we're almost out of time.
46:55
Speaker 3: Susie, but just very quickly.
46:57
Speaker 4: The heroes of all of this, I mean Ahmed al Ahmed,
47:01
Speaker 4: who's currently in hospital. We've seen young women grabbing children,
47:07
Speaker 4: hiding children. It's been incredible to see the Aussie bravery
47:11
Speaker 4: on full display.
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Speaker 17: Oh, unbelievable. And you know the story of the woman,
47:18
Speaker 17: the woman who was looking for her own son, who
47:21
Speaker 17: saw three year old Gigi and covered her with her
47:25
Speaker 17: body so that she would be safe, because she says
47:27
Speaker 17: a three year old doesn't know what you know, duck
47:30
Speaker 17: and cover means, and that you know, some of these
47:32
Speaker 17: stories really bring home the absolute terror that those people
47:37
Speaker 17: must be facing.
47:38
Speaker 3: You know, the parents who lost.
47:39
Speaker 17: Their kids, lost sight of their kids.
47:41
Speaker 3: You know, the parents who stepped.
47:44
Speaker 17: Up to save other people's children. I mean, this is
47:47
Speaker 17: the absolute worst of us, but gee, we've seen some
47:50
Speaker 17: of the best. It's just been amazing.
47:54
Speaker 11: Yeah.
47:54
Speaker 4: Look, it's incredible, Stephen, your thoughts on the very best
47:59
Speaker 4: of society at the very worse times.
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Speaker 18: Australians have always been amazing in a crisis. Sadly so,
48:04
Speaker 18: we're our political leaders once but not anymore.
48:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
48:10
Speaker 4: Look, I couldn't have put it better myself. It's shown
48:13
Speaker 4: up the best of Ozzie's but not our leaders. Stephen
48:16
Speaker 4: SENETI MPOs Susie O'Brien, thank you very much for joining me.
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Speaker 4: And look, I just want to end by saying it's
48:21
Speaker 4: been incredible to see in the last two days but
48:25
Speaker 4: Jewish people here that they're not frightened to waive the
48:28
Speaker 4: Israeli flag, they've had it draped around them, that they're
48:31
Speaker 4: proudly putting the Star of David around their necks on display,
48:36
Speaker 4: and for two years they've been hiding it because they
48:39
Speaker 4: felt like they had to hide it because they were scared.
48:42
Speaker 4: So incredibly, this is a real moment for the community
48:45
Speaker 4: and it's been amazing to see. Thanks for your company
48:48
Speaker 4: down here in Bondi now here's Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 3: Good night,