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Ep. 84: Drinking With... Sin City · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: The Sobrose Network presents the movie podcast, breaking down films
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  Speaker 1: and their impact on pop culture as they approach the
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  Speaker 1: legal drinking age.
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  Speaker 2: This is Drinking With.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's your host, Steven m cash.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Drinking With, the podcast where we raise the
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  Speaker 3: glass of the movies that have reached the legal drinking age.
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  Speaker 3: I'm you know Stephen mccash and the Sobros Network, and
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  Speaker 3: join me as we embark on a cinematic journey through
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  Speaker 3: the classics of yesteryear, celebrating their twenty first birthday in style.
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  Speaker 3: From iconic blockbusters to hitting gems, each episode will toast
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  Speaker 3: to a different film that has stood the test of
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  Speaker 3: time and shaped our cultural landscape. So grab your favorite
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  Speaker 3: beverage or the one we've curated for this episode, and
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  Speaker 3: let's deep dive into the nostalgia as we explore movies
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  Speaker 3: that are finally old enough to join us for a drink. Now,
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  Speaker 3: joining me at the bar is always are the two
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  Speaker 3: best people I can think up to stumble out of
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  Speaker 3: a bar after a long discussion of movies. First, as
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  Speaker 3: the resident film critic of the Sobros Network, Brandon Vick,
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  Speaker 3: who's also a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association,
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  Speaker 3: a board member of the Music City Films Critics Association,
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  Speaker 3: and most importantly, this man has given birth to not one,
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  Speaker 3: but two podcast as you can hear right here, the
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  Speaker 3: vix Flicks and Cinema Chronicle podcast. And joining him as
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  Speaker 3: always is the man behind the scenes. He makes everything happen.
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  Speaker 3: He's the glue of the brand. A Jenni Fishonado, multiple
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  Speaker 3: cat lover, now all around football wordsmith, and budding sports
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  Speaker 3: talk radio star. Mister Stony Keeley, gentlemen, how is this
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  Speaker 3: day finding you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? It's great, mccash. Just a bunch of old men coughing,
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  Speaker 2: hacking into a microphone. It's you know what it's there
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  Speaker 2: are signs of spring outside, and the man, my allergies
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  Speaker 2: know it.
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  Speaker 4: I've been spitting in a tissue.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Or don't want to be gross?
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  Speaker 3: Both?
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  Speaker 2: And we're just like we're like the old men at
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  Speaker 2: Hardy's just getting together in the morning to talk about
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  Speaker 2: our movie.
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  Speaker 3: For a biscuit, talking about talking about politics and all
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  Speaker 3: the things that's wrong with these woke liberals and ship.
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  Speaker 2: And the women were letting and then women.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, uh yeah. If if you're as you're listening to
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  Speaker 3: this podcast. You should take a drink of today's drink
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  Speaker 3: every time you hear one of us cough.
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  Speaker 4: There we go, and remember drive responsibly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you probably won't make it through the intro
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  Speaker 3: description of the movie.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be blackout drunk.
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  Speaker 3: Well, today we're talking about a film that I saw
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  Speaker 3: once in theaters in the theater when it was released.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys did or not, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: visually it's one of the most I don't know, amazing
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  Speaker 3: is not the word I'm looking for, but a very
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  Speaker 3: provocative film visually, and.
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  Speaker 2: That's very distinct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's distinct. That's a that's probably the best word. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of films have come since it to
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  Speaker 3: try to replicate that look. Some did better than others.
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  Speaker 3: But today we're talking about Sin City. Sin City is
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  Speaker 3: set in the corrupt rainsoak basin City. The movie weaves
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  Speaker 3: together multiple violent, morally gray storylines, following characters like a
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  Speaker 3: vengeful brute seeking justice, a disgrace cop protecting a young girl,
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  Speaker 3: and a man avenging his lover's murder. The film, directed
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  Speaker 3: by Robert Rodriguez, also co directed by Frank Miller, who's
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  Speaker 3: the writer of the graphic novel the films based off
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  Speaker 3: of and most people, I should say most people. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of people may not know this, but one of
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  Speaker 3: the scenes was guest directed by the one and only
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  Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't, I think, is it the car chase?
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  Speaker 3: It? It is that And we'll get to that U
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  Speaker 3: later in the fun facts about Sin City.
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  Speaker 2: I know he was boys with all those that crew,
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  Speaker 2: like Robert ro.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then uh, like I said, it's written by
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  Speaker 3: Frank Miller based off the graphic novels, and uh, Robert
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  Speaker 3: Riguez also helped with the screenplay as well. But if
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it's stars, I'm not gonna say
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  Speaker 3: who's starring in the film, because more this is a
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  Speaker 3: ensemble piece, so we'll say it's featuring Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke,
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  Speaker 3: Clive O and Jessica Alba, Powers Booth, Venicio del Toro,
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  Speaker 3: who I think is unaware that he's caused playing is
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  Speaker 3: Jack White in the film because it looks so much
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  Speaker 3: like him, and then a whole laundry list of of
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  Speaker 3: other A list actors as well for the time.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, it threw me off to see Britney Murphy
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  Speaker 4: I forgot Yeah, me.
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  Speaker 3: Too, an r I p powers Booth as well. You
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  Speaker 3: know we lost him some time ago, so.
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  Speaker 4: Let's have a moment of signs for both of them.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows who else we lost in Uh?
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  Speaker 2: From that cast, Mickey looks dead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he looks better in Sin City than he does
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  Speaker 4: in real life.
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  Speaker 3: In today's world. In today's world, Bruce Willis doesn't know
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  Speaker 3: he's alive.
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  Speaker 4: That's true, but he still looks pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 3: He does, he does. I can't, I can't hate on him.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then, like as we talked about earlier, you know,
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  Speaker 3: take it. Take a drink every time you hear one
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  Speaker 3: of us cough. Uh. And today's drink is the Basin
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  Speaker 3: City Blackouts. There's your ingredients. You got two ounces of
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  Speaker 3: Rye whiskey. You want one ounce of black verm youth,
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  Speaker 3: a quarter ounce of Marschino liqueur. Uh. And then's some
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  Speaker 3: uh bitters and then some cherries for the side. And
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  Speaker 3: what you're gonna do, here's your instructions. You're gonna add
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  Speaker 3: the whiskey, the vermuth, the Marschino liqueur, and the bitterers
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  Speaker 3: into a mixing glass with ice, stir until it's chilled
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  Speaker 3: and silky straight into a chilled low ball glass and
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  Speaker 3: then garnish with a single red cherry let it sink
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  Speaker 3: in for a little drop of color that presents a
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  Speaker 3: black and white and it's black and white frame.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds delightful, almost like a bit of a dialed
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  Speaker 2: up old fashion, almost like a more flavorful old fashion.
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  Speaker 4: If I was a younger man, I could you could pound.
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  Speaker 2: You could pound that wonderful to black out to. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think any of this is sugar free. So
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  Speaker 3: I think you're out on this one, Brandon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, like I said, when I was a
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  Speaker 4: younger man, and I didn't know I had.
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  Speaker 3: The diabet us. All right, So let's get into what
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  Speaker 3: we love to do here and talk money. What do
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  Speaker 3: we think for film like Sin City? What the budget was?
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, it's hard for me to believe in it's
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  Speaker 4: three digits, even considering who all's in it.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to go in the eighty range.
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  Speaker 4: I was too, I was thinking eighty three.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say eighty on the dot, eighty.
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  Speaker 3: And eighty three. You both are so well so off
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  Speaker 3: this movie, this movie, because it was pretty much done
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  Speaker 3: all in house by Robert Lriguez independently forty million.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that makes sense how he did it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, very surprising, but makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the question is does this movie make its
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  Speaker 3: money back? So we're gonna talk about opening weekend box
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  Speaker 3: office for US Canada. I will tell you this movie
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  Speaker 3: opened April first, two thousand and five, alongside the Queen
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  Speaker 3: Latifa let hit Beauty Shop.
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  Speaker 2: I think I watched Beauty Shop.
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  Speaker 3: I have, I can't say I have.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember what I felt about.
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  Speaker 4: It's a it's kind of the female barber shop, right right, right?
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  Speaker 4: Ye think Beauty Shop was number one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you what the top five are if
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  Speaker 3: you would like to know to help you come up
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  Speaker 3: with your box office guests. So number five, Miss Congeniality
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  Speaker 3: two okay, okay, dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's got to be like there a third weekend
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  Speaker 4: or something.
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  Speaker 3: And I will say, looking at this top five, I've
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  Speaker 3: seen one of the top five, and it's the movie
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about today.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of surprising because I feel like I remember this
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  Speaker 2: being like a big movie, but maybe it was just
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  Speaker 2: big for us because we were like teenage dudes which were.
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  Speaker 4: Miss Congeniality. I'm like, I think it was a hit,
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  Speaker 4: Like you know, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this was the biggest movie ever.
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  Speaker 4: So Miss Congeniality Too is number five.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and going to your dude's comment after kind of
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  Speaker 3: rewatching some of this movie and reading up on it,
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  Speaker 3: this movie is definitely a dude's movie. Yeah, it's very problem.
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  Speaker 2: We have some thoughts on that too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which I'm sure we'll get into. Number four Robots,
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  Speaker 3: I think film.
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  Speaker 4: It's an animated one. Yeah, I don't know, it might
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  Speaker 4: be DreamWorks.
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  Speaker 2: I just love that movie I did too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and number three the Ashton Kutcher vehicle. Guess who.
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  Speaker 4: Bernie Mac.
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  Speaker 2: I would hate to watch that again twenty one years later,
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  Speaker 2: but I liked it at the time.
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  Speaker 4: I remember liking Bernie Mac.
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  Speaker 2: I think I would cringe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's another one, gone, another moment. We're gonna waste
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  Speaker 4: all of our time by having moments.
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  Speaker 3: Or coffin drinking with a memorial. That's what we're doing today.
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  Speaker 3: Number two is Beauty Shop and since that he did
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  Speaker 3: debut at number one.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Okay for Rated R too, it's pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Good Rated R in the middle of spring.
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  Speaker 4: That still doesn't mean it made a ton of money. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm I still want to say, like, uh, I'm maybe
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  Speaker 4: twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say thirty six.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are kind of damn near directly in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty eight million dollars opening weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eight that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember this being a popular thing back then. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we were like, oh, everybody's like, oh man, this sin
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  Speaker 2: City looks really cool. Well you see it.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to you know, you've got a great cast
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  Speaker 4: that almost everybody would would know from somewhere. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: then fans.
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  Speaker 2: Of the comic graphic Yeah, novel.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: The style, the names attached to it.
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  Speaker 4: Robert Rodriguez is a is a big deal, oh yeah
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  Speaker 4: around that time, and people recognized his name more than
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  Speaker 4: maybe they do now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Desperado el Mariachi at that point, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if Dusk till Don is out at that point, I
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  Speaker 3: think it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I don't know is that end up
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  Speaker 4: doing that Desperade, know, a sequel that had Internal Bendaris
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  Speaker 4: and Johnny Depp and who's there at the nonsense that
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  Speaker 4: may have been that might have been after Sin City.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, anyway, he's he's got a name and like
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  Speaker 4: I said, Frank Miller in the graphic novels. So that
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  Speaker 4: makes sense. That's pretty good. I don't think he would
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  Speaker 4: make it in this day and age.
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  Speaker 3: No, let's don't forget, you know. Uh. Robert Riguez also
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  Speaker 3: did the Shark Boy, Lava Girl Uh trilogy kids movies,
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  Speaker 3: and he's also currently in development for making Machete Kills
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  Speaker 3: in Space. I'm just glad his career has gone splendidly.
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  Speaker 2: He was a hot shot back in the middle. He was.
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  Speaker 2: I remember this kind of feeling like, oh, he's got
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  Speaker 2: a chance to do something.
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  Speaker 4: Like doing his thing in Austin, Texas a.
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  Speaker 2: Little a little I don't want to say larger scale,
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  Speaker 2: but like a little more mainstream, like the almost like
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  Speaker 2: the rains are off from a creative sitting.
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  Speaker 4: Point where he can kind of be free.
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  Speaker 3: Oh there's one one coffee.
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  Speaker 2: That was a sneeze. Okay, that was a sneeze. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's all tooth fly out too. Yeah, that that
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  Speaker 2: hit these allergies. Man, I got I've I've learned that
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  Speaker 2: like one cat is good, two cats is just enough
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  Speaker 2: to make my allergies go crazy every.
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  Speaker 4: Single I can't wait for people to tune into this
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  Speaker 4: and think we're going to talk.
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  Speaker 2: Since City, it was just a good.
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  Speaker 4: Job for them. I did not think it opened number one,
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  Speaker 4: so good for.
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  Speaker 3: The due uh total domestic it made a little over
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  Speaker 3: seventy four million dollars and then internationally it it made
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  Speaker 3: more money internationally than it did in the States, with
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  Speaker 3: right at eighty five million dollars for a grand total
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  Speaker 3: of just under one hundred and fifty nine million dollars
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  Speaker 3: for cent City.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a crazy, crazy turn of profit there. That
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  Speaker 2: kind of speaks to the cast. I feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I lean more towards the style of the
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  Speaker 3: film as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I think that's I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: after watch, after rewatching it, that's really it thrives in
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  Speaker 4: that element, and that's really about it. When you just
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  Speaker 4: take the stories for what they are, and like you said,
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  Speaker 4: you get into it where it's mainly it's a very
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  Speaker 4: macho movie. Yeah, where women thank goodness for that last story.
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  Speaker 4: If not, then it would be where basically they're either
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  Speaker 4: naked or dead. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a great international
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  Speaker 4: good for him forty million and got what one hundred and.
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  Speaker 3: Eighty or almost almost one hundred and sixty one hundred
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  Speaker 3: sixty good good job four times. The UK brought in
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  Speaker 3: thirteen million. That was the biggest winner overseas than Germany
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  Speaker 3: a little over nine million. Our good friends in Bulgaria. Really,
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  Speaker 3: I'm impressed with this seventy two thousand dollars intake from Bulgaria.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, showing up one of the highest coaching
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  Speaker 4: movies there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but your Kiwis in New Zealand did not like
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  Speaker 3: this film because it only brought in seven hundred and
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  Speaker 3: ninety dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Dang, they don't know who Bruce Willis is.
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  Speaker 2: Then they're they're a little more civilized than the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the world.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Or they hate black and white films that too.
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  Speaker 2: That could be it too. They thought it was old,
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  Speaker 2: they thought it was old. I forget it.
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  Speaker 3: I'd have to go back and see what they uh,
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  Speaker 3: what they did for Schindler's List.
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  Speaker 4: Who let's get right on another ro macho movie.
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  Speaker 2: Similar vibes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so the New Zealanders didn't like the film,
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  Speaker 3: But what did everybody else think? On rod Tomatoes Tomato Meter,
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  Speaker 3: where the critics chime in with their wa well appreciated
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  Speaker 3: views two hundred and fifty six reviews on Rotten Tomatoes
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  Speaker 3: or Sin City? What percentage is since City?
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say six fifty six.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say like seventy four.
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  Speaker 3: Brandon almost hit it for the critics, seventy six percent.
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  Speaker 4: I knew it was fresh, but I knew it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: like eighties or nineties for sure.
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  Speaker 3: And then obviously there's a lot more reviews from the
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  Speaker 3: average Joe's on the popcorn Meter two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: plus thousand. What percentage on Rotten Tomatoes did did the
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  Speaker 3: people like or love since See?
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  Speaker 4: I think that you would think it's gonna be higher
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  Speaker 4: than seventy six, but I don't really know if.
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  Speaker 2: That's I'm gonna say seventy five. I think this feels
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  Speaker 2: like a solid seventy five percent movie.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go seventy one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go a little lower, slightly undershot. It actually
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  Speaker 3: went up. It was seventy eight percent, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, so almost almost the dead even.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very surprising to me though that the critics
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  Speaker 2: were were that generous to this film because mccash I
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  Speaker 2: was telling Brandon earlier when we were talking about rewatching this, like, hey, Jude,
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  Speaker 2: did you get a chance to watch Sin City? Would
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  Speaker 2: you think that sort of thing? When I was, I
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  Speaker 2: guess I would have been eighteen, nineteen nineteen. I would
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  Speaker 2: have been nineteen years old when this came out, and
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  Speaker 2: I thought, Oh, my god, this is the most original
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  Speaker 2: movie that's ever been made with the talented cast. This
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  Speaker 2: is going to be an iconic film for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my days. And then when I rewatched it, I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is actually kind of a hodgepodge of a million
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  Speaker 2: movies that existed before it, and it did not age
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  Speaker 2: well at all. So to see how like the subject matter,
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  Speaker 2: like Brandon, that's a great line that Brandon said earlier,
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  Speaker 2: like it feels like the women in this movie are
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  Speaker 2: naked or dead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so for critics to watch this and be like, ah, yes,
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  Speaker 2: seventy six percent, it just really surprises me.
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  Speaker 4: I But and I'm I feel the same because this
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  Speaker 4: was in like my top five favorite movies of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I owned it and everything. Yeah, but then.
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  Speaker 4: Watching it back, it's really just a rehash of like
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  Speaker 4: all these like crime noir movies that have come before it,
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  Speaker 4: but it's just and again it is adapted from something,
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  Speaker 4: but it's mainly kind of switching it out for style
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  Speaker 4: and like more deranged characters and well, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: the violence.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like more creative violence. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it is a very violent movie in ways that I
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  Speaker 2: don't think are very typical.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, and if I'm not mistaken, I think
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  Speaker 4: if they're one of the first ones, which is probably
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  Speaker 4: what again was so impressive at the time, is that
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  Speaker 4: I think the film looks.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Like the graphic novels. Oh that makes sense, you know, like.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: They're they're they're they're making the comic the graphic novel
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: the movie and using that technology. And I think the
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: only thing I can try to associate that with is
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: probably like the way the Spider Verse animated movies kind
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: of change shit with the look since City was doing
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: it for obviously a different audience. But yeah, there really
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: is nothing special about the storytelling aspect of it. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: because if you take away that style and that and
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: and the way that it shot you, it really doesn't
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: add up too much.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, but so I'm I'm finished.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Well, no, I'm gonna say, but I'm glad they did,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: because if I just watched a regular, like live action
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: movie and I saw Yellow Bastard, I don't think it'd
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: be a school.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I kept thinking, paying Yellow Bastard, You're right, but he.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Plays it like Goldmember?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: So do we think? And I'm maybe I'm I'm jumping
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the gun here. We're going to get into some of
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: these reviews, but I'm I'm curious, are the technical aspects
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: of this film? What kind of prop it up? From
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a critical standpoint, I would think it has to be.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: There was no other way for it to be.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It really gives me like dark Dick Tracy vibes what
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I rewatched it, you know, but Dick Tracy was on
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the ultimate spectrum how colorful it is, but it still
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: has those over the top characters like since City had.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, you mean Dick Cheney, but no,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Dick Tracy. I recently watched that for the first time
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and absolutely loved it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I watched it rewatched it at Bellcourt a couple of
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: months ago. Well last year. It was great. Our good
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: friend Jesse Butler of danger Zone Video introduced the film.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Ah, that's pretty awesome.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. So we're talking about reviews. Let's talk
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: about what some people on letterbox thought about Sin City. First,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: we have Jack Molton, who I think we've visited before
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: on another film here because that name just sounds familiar.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: But he gave Sin City four stars and simply puts
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Zack Snyder has been chasing this high for fifteen years
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and hasn't come close once.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Shots fired, shots fired, But three hundred after sin City, Yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: three hundreds after and the fact that he's never he's
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: been chasing it, not once, I don't agree.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And three hundred is one of those films visually that
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: kind of steals from Sin City a lot of his shot.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: But you know what happens in both of those because
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: they did another three hundred movie, they did another Sin
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: City movie. Is you see that you can't scoop by
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: just on aesthetics because both of those are not very
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: good and certainly don't even come close to what Sin
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: City in three hundred did, So it just goes to
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: show it only takes you so far.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: The thing about Zack Snyder is I think that's the
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: only thing he's done, Like he loves that aesthetic so
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: much that that's what he's built his.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Career off of.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Yep, And Robert Rodriguez went to SPI Kids.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, and made a buttload of money doing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: So correct correct, We have ten ten.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's any relations to Wren or not,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: but gave it five stars and wrote this little emotional
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: poem since city ain't shitty, just gritty, lots of titty.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: That's yeah, that's beautiful.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: We'll put good, We'll put We'll give my my little
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: jazz the little snaps.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Then we have jo Yo, who gave it two and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a half stars, and Joyo says, this is what plays
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: in Tarantino's head when a girl strokes his dick with
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: her feet.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I fucking love that really got me. I didn't expect
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: that makes total.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: And then lastly, Isaiah Smith three stars says that, uh,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I need a live action Batman movie that looks exactly
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Himah, that would be fun. Yeah, sure?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Who would be the Batman in the Sin City style
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of film?
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Ooh, I'm going with my one of my faves, ste Steve,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: one of my faves. There's always space for him.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You know. Bruce Willis could probably still pull it off.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Really, Uh, feed the lines.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: If he has Alzheimers, he might just be walking around
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: thinking he is Batman.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Domingo.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna piss off about seventy six
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: percent of this country and go with bad Bunny.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, bat Bunny.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: As to the pointed ears a rabbit.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Ears were really something?
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Oh man, you think Tarantino would film one scene of
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that movie?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I guess if there's feet in it jerking his dick off, we.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Could definitely get Rodriguez to do at least one scene.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I'm trying to think of like
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'll get to work on the script.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel you know what I feel like when
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: people listen to this, they're gonna say, Jacob and Lordie,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: he's just like the man in Brown about Town.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: He's too good for this project.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, and he's too good looking. You don't put
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: a mask on that on that face.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: If you, if you put him, then I wantuh, Sidney
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Sweeney is poison ivy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that could work.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Ye.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Now, remember this is the this is like sin City,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: so she has to be there's no, there's no, that's
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: just how it is.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Have you seen her films before? I don't think that's
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a problem.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Who else, let's name a famous actress who could just
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: be dead in a bed by Murphy. No, no, no, no, honey,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: she's dead in the ground.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we mean in the movie.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Movie that was Jamie King, Right, that's the one who
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: guys from Mars, I will say, I don't think he
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: was mentioned. I kind of. I there's a there's more
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: than a few performances that I liked, but Elijah Wood
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: really fits him well with this. I really liked his
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: his character. I thought he was cool.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I enjoyed his death.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: So he can come he can come back with someone
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: else and the bat Bunny. No, we're at bat Bunny
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: what we've already cast back? Yeah, Steve Bashimi is now
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Harvey Dent Sydney's he is who poison?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: So we need a penguin.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely need a penguin.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Fat Jonah Hill.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: What about star Rose? What's his name, Peter star Rose.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce Stave's last name, but
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: he was in he's a comedian, Yes, yeah, oh.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Jesse Plemons could be the Riddler. He's also
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: too good for this. Yeah, okay, all right, let's let's
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: anyway Elijah woodsy come back to somebody.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Uh who's uh, what's it Ddton the police chief or whatever.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: That could be Elijah Wood commissioner, that's what it was. Yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: well Gary Army, that's uh yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: That Brandon's already cast.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Step is like a one man Batman movie.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: And just so you know, he real. Not a whole
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: lot of make up to be two face, not a.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Whole lot I'm trying to think of.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: That's why Tommy Lee Jones was two face forever.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Let's make Meryl Street commissioner Gordon Yes, yes, no good
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I yeah no, no.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Helen Mirren as Catwoman.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I will tell you she can still go. Yeah, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: she will not die. No, she will not die.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I want to allow that. Uh. We're already fun factoring
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: our own film movie. Yes, it's already better than Since City,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: but let's uh, let's get into the fun facts of
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: the film. Uh. Robert Arriguez has said that he does
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: not consider this movie to be an adaptation of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: graphic novels, but so much as a translation and this
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: is why there's no screenwriting in the credits. The only
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: mention of writing is Frank Miller as the creator of
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the graphic novels.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I still think it's an adaptation.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, you know, it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Sounds like you took the pages, took the words, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: made it into a movie. And I think that's an
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: adaptation translation. Sure, yeah, I'm gonna say, it's.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Not like you're you're changing things from one one language
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to another.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Because there's not a screenwriter credit. You think it's just
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: a translation.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Is that one of the ways he kept the budget down?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, we're not going to write anything. No, no, no,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: we're not paying anybody. Sorry for it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: It's thought process because he said he didn't want to
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: make Robert Rodriguez Sin City, but rather Frank Miller Sense
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: City because he loved the graphic novels so much.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Well, no, that's true, but I think I think both.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: I think both can be right. I do think that's
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: what he did.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And also that's still an ada.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: And yeah, Frank Miller's graphic novels were adapted to that
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: into the movie.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Robertez. What an idiot.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: That's why we only made one hundred and sixty million, Yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: could have made more cool. In fact, he started shooting
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the film before he even had the rights to the project.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a little balls.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: He shot the opening of the movie that's scene with
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Josh Hartnett and Marley Shelton to show Frank Miller in
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: hopes that he was signed off on the project and
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: also come on board to co direct the film as well.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So that was pitch yep, well, hey fair enough, shoot
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: your shot? Yeah, shoot shot.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And appears the cast loved having Miller on set
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: to co direct because he h They felt he obviously
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: knew the source material so well since he's lived it
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: and he was all even record, He's like, I even
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: know where these characters went to, like elementary school started deeping.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It sin City A biographs Miller. Yeah, basically, let me
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: tell you.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: After watching the movie, the first thing I thought was
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: where did Goldie go to elementary school?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: We need that? Yeah, you can really tap into this character.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I noticed she's on the bed with her boobs out, yead,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: but I just what's her story?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Where did Jessica Alba learn to lasso? Was that from
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: being raised on a farm?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Kid?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Do you know I don't.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's just because of the times and maybe because
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I'm also older. That was almost kind of creepy. It was,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: I don't really know if I was gelling with it
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: when he's like I thought she'd be reading books and
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: she's like doing that and then like they want to
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: have I don't know, it just I don't know.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Wasn't there a rumor too that like Jessica Alba wanted
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: to do the scene topless but somebody stopped her from
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: doing it or something like that, or maybe because I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: don't think it was, they were trying to protect like, oh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: she still has to have some sort of innocence for
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: this story to work.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I never heard that, but it makes sense if that
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: robbed us, they robbed us. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: watched three seasons of Dark Angel and I can't see
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: her boobies.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Should I get the girl? But I get the girl
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: from uh son in law with Polly Shores boobies.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize that. I still don't know her name,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: but she's in all of like Mike Flannagan stuff and
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: does uh yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I'll butcher her last name GIONI or something like that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize she just went full on just walking around.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, she was proud, and I don't blame her, but.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I was excited when I saw it twenty one years ago.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I will tell you she has one of the dumbest
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: deaths in this movie.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she actually like she was.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Gonna protect Marv and literally people whiten her and that's it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah again for somebody who knows this all the way
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: back to elementary school, it doesn't look like he gave
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: a shit about these women.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: So we're, uh, we're no better than sexist the sexist
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: people that made this boobies showing boobs. We can't even
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: remember game pronounced women's names. Why didn't Jess get help
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but show them nipples?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, by the time this is released, they're not
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: going to have the right to vote anyway. So oh
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: manhil Frank Miller, the way this country's going. Uh, let's
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: get back on track. We mentioned Tarantino, uh directed a
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: scene for this film, and that was during the segment
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: that's called Big Fat Kill that involved Clive Owen and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Venicio del Toro in the front of the car before
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Dwight was pulled over. By the police officers. It's kind
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: of shocking that Tarantino came on board to do this. Obviously,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: he did it because he's such good friends with with Rodriguez,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: and it was kind of his way of paying back
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: rod Reguaz for scoring Kill Bill Volume two for a
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: whopping dollar, and so Tarantino charged Rodriguez one dollar for
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: him to direct this scene. But the reason why I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: saying it's it's kind of shocking that he did it
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: because Tarantino hates digital film. He doesn't use the process
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: at all, So he was reluctant to come on board
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: because he wasn't gonna be able to use his traditional
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: method of using real film in the movie.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: What did Rodriguez do for Kill Bill? Like, was it
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: a part he know?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: He scored part two?
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: He scored the whole film part Bill, Yeah, for a
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: dollar for a dollar, and Tarantino repaid him by doing one.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Scene for a dollar for a dollar.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Rodriguez is a fool, scored a whole second, which that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: a full movie, I know, like the whole Bloody Affair
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I think has just come out now. But I love
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: that that was the trade off. And even then Tarantino
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: almost didn't do it because of the way he was
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: shooting or what he was shooting on I guess I
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: should say, but it is one of the best scenes
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: of the film.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I must say. Yeah, pretty damn cool.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: There's a lot are really great behind the scenes videos,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: which I'm I'm assuming are from the DVD that you
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: can find on YouTube that I did. I watched a
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: lot of for the for the research for this for
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: this episode that Uh. It gave me an appreciation into
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the making of the film. Uh, but it didn't make
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: me like the film anymore than I did.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I do think it's probably really fascinating to see how
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: they were doing it, especially back then. It's still cool
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: when they give you those first looks and stuff like that,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: and how far they've they've come.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Uh. We mentioned Jessica Alba being clothed during the film.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: She actually learned how the lasso rope for this movie.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Well, commit to yeah, as you should.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And then she also continued to go to strip clubs
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: as part of her research for the character. But however,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: she said, yeah, she said it didn't help because all
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of the professional strippers all they were doing is trying
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: to get tips from her.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Well, well, yeah, yeah, I would say, you're in their
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: place of business.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your fault. They know you got money.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's got even more.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Now, especially then.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah you were Dark Angel, You've got Fox money.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: So yeah, well what is that She's in? Whatever business
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: she has, it's a billion dollar business. Yeah, it's kind
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: of like Minneth Paltrow's thing Goop. They're making a ton
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: of money. Yeah, and I forgot what Alba's is, but
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a big one now.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: So that's why you don't really see her in anything anymore.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Good for her, Yeah, I mean she wasn't really she
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: didn't really do good movies anymore.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna say we're not going to talk bad
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: about Honey here.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I really don't remember much with what she's done. Besides,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: didn't she do Wasn't she in that Into the Blue
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: with Paul Paul Walker? Yeah?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that and Honey are the only.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: In since City. I'm sure she's been another. I know
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: she's been another stuff.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Oh good luck, Chuck. How can we forget? How could
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: we forget the fantastic.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: For Yes, I've forgotten all the fantast probably. Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: So basically she had.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: To form a company.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: She had to figure something she had too.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Good for her, So I didn't know. I don't remember
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: when I the thought or the knowledge of three D
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: printing first came into my memory. But the props department
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: on Sin City used three D printing to make the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: vast majority of the props used in the film.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Huh wow, Yeah, that's yeah, that's.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: What they really wanted to recreate the weapons and such
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: that you see in the graphic novel to scale. Uh
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: and some of those items you just couldn't pick off
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: a shelf somewhere, so they recreated him using three D printing.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: The fact that Rodriguez kept us to forty million, I mean,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: maybe it's not. Maybe it didn't cost that much to
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: do that, like John three D, but it seems like
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: there's so much involved that I'm shocked he only spent.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Well, we talked about it being all done in Austin
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: at his studio. He also has his own special effects
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: apartments in house, so he literally walked would walk across
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the parking lot to get to the special effects building
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: where all this is done.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Is it trouble Maker Studios? That's the thing I always remember,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: and it pops up when it has that explosion.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Robert, imagine that. Remember then, What I didn't know at
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: the time I learned doing research is that one of
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: my uh favorite people in Hollywood make up special effects legend,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Greg Nikotto, who most people know from The Walking Dead,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: was brought on as a special makeup effects supervisor, so
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: he did all the special effects for makeup and such
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: in the film.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does look good.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Could see that touch for sure?
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Is he working with Mickey Now?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: He just looked like that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: They just they just left that make up on Its
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: slowly melted onto his face over the years.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. God had nothing to do with it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Those surgery did bless his heart, all that he wrestler
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Marv did look he did look really really good. Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I mean they did a great job by I mean,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: one of the best translations I've ever seen, one of
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: the best.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: And then del Toro's gun in his in his forehead.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: That was. Uh. This movie was shot on green screen.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's a shocker to anybody. And although
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: the majority of the movie was shot against green screen,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: there were four practical sets created. You had Katie's bar,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Shelley's apartment, hard against prison cell in the hospital. That's
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: using the epilogue.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, okay, a little bit of efficiency there, yep.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: According to an interview with Latino Review, Michael Mattson landed
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the role of Bob by approaching Robert Rodriguez at the
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Kill Bill Rat party and simply asked him why he
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: hadn't been cast. So Rodriguez obliges giving Mattson the only
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: part that hadn't been cast yet, and that was Bob.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, Madson brings a certain levity to every film
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: that he's in. I think it's his distinct voice.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: And I mean, playing a dirty cop, it just.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about his demeanor that is gritty in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: and of itself. So and especially like coming in so early,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I think he helps to kind of set the tone
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: for this film he does, which is weird to think
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that his casting was not really thought out. It was
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: just Oh, I just love that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Like that's like I could totally see him just going
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: up being like, hey, man.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah the deal, I need a job.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: What's the deal.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Why haven't I been cast yet? I'm gonna got it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he got it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: To quote Kethan Thompson on Saturay Night, live what's up
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: with that?
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you. I mean, I've you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: if anybody who hasn't seen pulp Ficient Reservoir Dogs, you should.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Michael Madison is killer than that. And that's why I
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: think between that and obviously him and Tarantino had to
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: be good friends because he was that. He was in
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know stuff. He could go up
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: to Rodriguez and be light. He could get away with
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: it without QT said you you'd be casting.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how we talked. That's a great Michaels.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: That's how we talked. I don't know if you guys
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: know this. He used a different voice in the movies
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: in real life.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: That's what he sounds like.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: In real life.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Getting back to the special effects, the signature white blood
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: proved hard to achieve on screen. Regular movie blood couldn't
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: provide the stark look Rodriguez was looking for, so the
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: crew had to use fulllorescent red liquid and then bathe
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: it in black light, so in post production the would
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: turned white.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh man, you have to get a little creative.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Can I just say? Sin City is way more interesting
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: on the making of Like mccash said, than what you
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: actually just see. Yeah, like the how they got all
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: of that on screen is is fantastic, But these things
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: is what like it. It doesn't make me like the
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: movie more, but it makes me appreciate, like, oh, this
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: really was a groundbreaking in some sort of trying to
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: to do again an incredible translation.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: And kind of a kind of like a testament to
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that creative spirit of like, we got to figure out
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: how to get this to look exactly like we want
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: because the math ain't math in right now, so we gotta.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: We gotta come up with You've got Frank Miller there. Yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: and apparently he's you don't just adapt anything, or he
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: doesn't let people just adapt whatever. Hell lets you translate it,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: that's right, write anything?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Nope, nope.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Uh So there was a night between filming days where
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: a rock concert, if you will, was put on at
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: a local nightclub and any guesses on what two bands
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: played for this for the crew and cast of Sin City.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna say I and uh Fear Factory.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: We're gonna go with Los Lonely Boys.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. You're both know. It was kind of
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a trick question. So, uh, Robert Rodriguez's Uh band was
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: the act. They were the opening act for Bruce Willison's band,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: the Accelerators.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Boy, what a turnout that was.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: That was the hottest ticket to get Austin at the moment. Yeah, man, uh,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: what I think is interesting this. This gives me some
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: added respect for Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis is left handed,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: but he Yeah, he played his character as right handed,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: so the shots from the movie would look even closer
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: to the comic books because his character is right handed.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't pull that off. Good for him, I can't
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: right handed.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: When he really when he really wanted.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: To act, he was, Yeah, you're right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: When when the role and the director everything uh came together,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: he could have He could be one of the best.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Now, one of my favorite scenes in the movie was
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the fight scene between Mickey Rourke and Elijah Woods characters. Yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: here's an interesting fact about filming during Sin City, Elijah
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Wood and Mickey Rourke never met on set.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they never filmed a scene together.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: So I guess it's all like special effects and stuff.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: It's all stunt doubles. Yeah, Mickey would fight Elijah Woods
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: stunt double and then Elijah would do the exact opposite,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: and it was put together because their their schedules conflicted,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: so they couldn't be on set at at the same time.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Again having to kind of wing it again when Mickey
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Rourke was busy.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And that wasn't the only only time this happened. Brittany
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Murphy and Clive Owen never filmed together in that bar
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: h Rutgers, Yeah, Rutger Howard and Mickey Rourke did not
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: film their scenes together either.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: You gotta do what.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Some of those I could see were like, oh okay,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: But then there's others where I'm like, I could have,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Like I'm shocked that they were not looking at each
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: other when they were.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's just it's amazing, Like you get this ensemble cast,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: this type of thing is liable to happen on top
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of the fact that you're trying to figure out, how
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: do we get this thing to look exactly like we
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: wanted to?
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Did Michael Madson even touch Bruce Willis's arm?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Don't know.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I mean it happens a lot in music when you
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: when you hear artists doing like duets together. Yeah, Like
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: one of the most famous ones is when Janet and
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson did Uh, that scream song. Janet recorded her
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: parts over phone.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Over the phone?
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Wow, what phone was that? Because that's good quality. They
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: don't make them like that anymore, do they know? Just
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: kidding people film movies with cam't with phones. But also,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, we need to keep a tradition on this
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: podcast or this episode at least. Michael mattson R.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I p Yeah, moment of silence.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, moment of silence again.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I forgot. I didn't. I don't know if I knew
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: he had passed.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I honestly, it just hit me because I remember thinking, oh, man,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: that sucks.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. Brittany Murphy filmed all of her scenes in
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: day nice. But if you're not acting against anybody, it's
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: not really that hard.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Knock it out.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing is did is that how Rodriguez
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: saved money? It's very possible we can do all of
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: your scenes in one day.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: What do you think you get in at eight am
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and I put you back on a flight at six
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Let's go. I've got some could have would have should us? Uh?
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: To wrap up my fun facts, let's talk about some
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: people who could have been in six City. Robert Rodriguez
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: originally visioned Johnny Depp playing the role of Jackie Boy,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: which was played by Benicio del Toro, but sadly had
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: prior commitments.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I could see that one hundred percent. Yeah, and that's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: one of the rare instances that I think that probably
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: would have been pretty cool.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not better, but I think.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: But different and cool.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Johnny Depp's Jack White would have been fun to
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: see in this movie.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: The character of Arke Junior that played Nick Stall played
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: in the film was originally set to be played by
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: one and only Leonardo DiCaprio.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Whoa, now I can't see that. Yeah, who also becomes
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: yellow bastard?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say Ben Foster. Yeah,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: now we're that. Yeah, we're talking DiCaprio. For that would
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: have been.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Why didn't that happen?
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't want to be a yellow bastard raping
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: women on screen?
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Or DiCaprio's price tag is half of that forty million.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: That's sure, even in two thousand and five.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Even yeah, and even if he's on the effort, Yeah,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: not even half of the movie.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But okay, well that makes sense.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: So I mean, listen, if you can't get DiCaprio, Who's
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: next on your list?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Next? All, there has to be other people who've turned
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: it down. That's a pretty wide gap. This guy went DiCaprio.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Matt Damon slowly worked its way. Probably Ben Foster did
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: see it. This is too much, This is too much.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Another notable actor that auditioned for the role of Jackie
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Boy that later went to Benicio del Toro was Adrian Brody.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: WHOA no, that would have been I love him. I
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: love Adrian Britton. He actually auditioned for it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think he would have any trouble doing it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: But no, but it's not the it's yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: That might feel a little out of place. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: We have who's who of actresses who were considered to
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: play the part of Lucille before Carla Gugina was cast.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I think I said that right that time.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: That might be right.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: It sounded good, It sounds good. We're just gonna roll
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I've got one, two, three, four, five names
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: for the role of Lucille two thousand and five, spitballing.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Who you got, Alicia Silverstone.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Nicole that's a great throwback, but both are.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Wrong Angelina and Jolie Nope, Meg Ryan, Meg Ryan two
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: thousand and five, Meg Ryan's boobs, I'm Jessica Biel. No,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: it's really thrown me off. Since DiCaprio is supposedly I know, though,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, like, maybe it's real a list.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Meryl Street, Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I would consider these very much a list. And maybe
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: we've got an Academy Award or two in here.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I could be wrong, Judy Dinch, this is tough. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: at least thought Angela, Joelia and Nicole Kidman.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Naomi watched Michelle Williams.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Uh Naomi wats is one of them?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, right now we're talking, we're on the board.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I'll give you uh Uma thurmant Oh, yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I could have known that that. Yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: One, I don't want to see Sarah Jessica Parker.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Now in two thousand and five, Ashley Judd would have
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: been a great choice.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I could see I could see her doing it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: And then lastly Carrie Anne Moss.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: And then the role of Gail, who I'm I've drawn
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: blank on who Gail was in the film.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: That was Roo Dawson was yeah, okay. Uh.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: The first choice for that role was Kate Bosworth. Okay,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I think I think I.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Was thinking of Kate Beckhamsale. But Kate Bosworth from like
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Blue Crush.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what did she go on to do?
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: She was she still does horror movies. She was just
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: in one called Thank You For Asking. She's in a
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: new movie with Justin Long call Coyotes.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Guess what was about Coyote?
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh was no, that was Becant. Who was in
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: the that vacancy movie with That's Kate beckinsal bec Okay,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I'm getting my Kate's mixed up now.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: A lot of Kate's Kate Bosberth.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I hope she has a billion dorror company. Yeah, doing
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: something doesn't sound like it now.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: The the role of Joy of Joy, of Dwight.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Joy Steve Shimmy.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: The role of Dwight was once considered to be given
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: to Anthony Michael Hall.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Huh yeah, it's been interesting.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: That even in two thousand and five.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Dwight's role is where I could see Adrian Brody.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, who's Dwight again?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Dwight is Clive Owen's character.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, now I think, yeah, Adrian Brody
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: would be would be kind of cool for that. I
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: think a Johnny Depp could do that too.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean I feel Johnny Depp could
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: That's almost anything. But I don't think that's correct at all.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I completely I completely missed that Nick Offerman's in this movie.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I couldn't list everybody. We've been
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: here all day talking about who's in this Yeah.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: I remember seeing him.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: He played Slub.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Oh was that in the.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I mean Michael Clark, Michael Clark Duncan's also, Yeah, we
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: didn't mention him.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, hold on, rest in peace, Peace, moment of silence.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: This is getting depressing, is it. Rutger Howe, I think
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: he's dead too.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: He is the movie. If he's passed, I'm not really
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: sure off the top of my head.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: But yeah, there's a ton of there's a ton of
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, this is like a dark and gritty,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: nasty Wes Anderson. Everybody who was somebody around that time
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: is in it. And apparently they could have gotten even
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: more if the schedules would have worked out.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it still wouldn't have the budget at all.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: No, because he's doing it at his house.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Another person who auditioned for the role of Nancy, which
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: was the Jessica Alba character was Jessica Simpson.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: What oh man?
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah? What back then?
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: That?
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's silly, but I I.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: See he was trying to get into movies there. Yeah,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: because was around that time.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she already had the costume.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: That's probably what she wore.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so hey, who knows, maybe I stand corrected. Yeah.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: And the last note I have, uh is also I
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: could have would have should have? Uh. There are four
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: legendary actors who were offered roles in this film, but
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: for some reason or another couldn't make it work. Those
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: four actors include Christopher Walken, William Dafoe, Michael Douglas, and
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: the one and only Steve Besimi.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, I get it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I could see all of those guys in this movie.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: I could too. And you know what surprises me? Not
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: one mention of Nicholas Cage.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or John Cusack or John Cusack Yeah, work that
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: He could have fought him. I'm gonna use fucking Brandon's
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: on joke. If he was in it and he fought himself,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: they would have just used Joan as the stunt double.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Exactly exactly. You're welcome, sir, exactly, thank you.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Michael Douglas was offered the role of Hartigan. I think
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that's the Bruce Willis character is Bruce Willis. Yeah, Steve
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Ashimi was offered the part of Yellow Bastard.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Yes well, yes, yes.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: And then William Defoe and Christopher Walking were both offered
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: the role of Senator Ark.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, I could see that. I could totally see all that.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: I'm actually kind of sad Christopher Walking. Yeah, Willem Defoe
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: has done a lot of stuff, not that Christopher Walking hasn't,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: but I would have liked to see him in that.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're actually gonna talk about Christopher Walking next month
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: on Hell Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of the most subtle, funny scenes
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: in that in the movie we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 4: about Yes, anyway, I love all let me tell you
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: this is I can't remember the last time we've done this.
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  Speaker 4: Should have, would have, could have, and I actually see
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  Speaker 4: most of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's almost like they they would have
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: had trouble going wrong with all of the Thames they're
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: throwing around no matter who ends up in the role.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it still wouldn't have made the movie better though, No,
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  Speaker 3: not with the.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Not with the yeah, not with you if nothing else
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: changed except the faces. No.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: I honestly, before I went back and research rewatch the film,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: and everything I forget. I completely forgot how rapey this
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: movie is.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: It is, Yeah, it is almost everything involves again Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: harm to a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: So we should we should take our physical copies of
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: this movie and burn them.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: I don't have mine anymore.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I never had one. I was for this ship back
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and five.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I gave mine a danger Zone video and then I'm
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: pretty sure two months later I went back in and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, they've got sin City for three dollars
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: and bought it.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: Dangerous sounds going to stay in business forever. Yeah, well
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: danger Zone either has mine too or McKay's.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know which one. Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe wait, I think min was eight Yard still actually,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: because it was just the DVD, I didn't give nuts.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's an awesome story though. Hey, honey, they got
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: sin City here for.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Oh the deal?
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Uh, that's all I have for Sin City guys, unless
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: you have something else.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Let me add one thing to talk about the making
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: of the film again. The scene with Clive Owen where
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: he's in the car driving. Yeah, all right, So it
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: was filmed, like I said, on a green screen in
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: the studios that uh that Rodriguez has, but that space
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: was too small to actually uh drive the car. So
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: what they did is they attached uh, they had multiple
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: cameras that could zoom in and out, up and down
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: on like uh what do they call them? The uh
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the cranes. So what they did is they attached wires
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: to the car and so then they would move the
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: car on the with the wires and then have the
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: cameras come up and down to mimic the car driving.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is a pretty clever crew.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: They had only written a better film, I know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Myself.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Is this AI film? Before AI?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: It could have been? Yeah, Frank Miller's the real culprit here.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is so, like I said, that's really all I
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: have for Sin City, unless you guys have something to
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: add before we get to our Mount rushmore.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: No, but we are hitting the end of the recording.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: So should we stop and go anew or do you
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: think we can wrap up here in three minutes?
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: I can go quick.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's do it, fave Bruce Willis Films, I go
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: die Hard, Unbreakable, Moonrise Kingdom, and something else that I
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: can't remember, but I did want to give a shout
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: out to Death Becomes Her because it's a very different,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: very different Bruce Willis that we see in that film
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: pulp fiction.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Those are those are mine?
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Mine Mine are almost the same, die hard pulp fiction.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: But I'm going with the sixth cents, and honestly, I
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: really like him in Moonrise Kingdom. But I'm gonna I'm
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: going to change it up and do Looper with Joseph
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Gordon lew.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Oh wow. Yeah, so two of mine have not been mentioned.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: I oh, actually I don't think three of mine have
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: been mentioned. I went sixth since I went red. I
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: liked it, like yeah, the Last Boy Scout with Damon
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Waynams yep. And then Twelve Monkeys.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Twelve Monkeys is a good one. I almost went with
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: that one, but I sort of remember Brad Pitt Moore
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: so and I could not mention the other ones. But yeah,
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: good stuff from Bruce. Good stuff.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: All right, boys, let's get it out of here. We're
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: up against the clock. So cheers to another episode of
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Drinking With where we've explored the films that have come
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: of age just like a fine wine. And as we
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: raise our glasses to the movies turning twenty one, we laughed, reminisced,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: and we shed our tier or two over some titties
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: in this timeless classic. So until next time, maybe it
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: drinks me cold, your conversation is lively, and your movie
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: night's unforgettable. Drink responsibly. Remember AIGs is just a number,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: but great films of forever. You can find me at
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  Speaker 3: they can find you real quick.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: That's stony heallee uh pretty much everywhere.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, at Sir Brandon be on Twitter and Sir Brandon
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: on letterbox.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: So until next time, folks. We'll see next month where
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: we talk a little Christopher walking and guests. But I've
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: got some videotapes to return