Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 465: Foundations - Hunt the Right Scrapes, Right Now
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,
- 0:11Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Today's episode of Foundations, which is brought to
- 0:17Speaker 1: you by First Light, is all about scrapes and how
- 0:20Speaker 1: to hunt them correctly. Buck signed, buck signed, buck sign.
- 0:42Speaker 1: The questions roll in by the week, and most of
- 0:45Speaker 1: them center on scouting and how to use buck sign.
- 0:48Speaker 1: The thing is, most of the buck sign I care
- 0:50Speaker 1: about comes in the form of rubs and tracks. Scrapes
- 0:54Speaker 1: don't really get me going a whole lot, at least
- 0:57Speaker 1: until a certain time of year, which is right free
- 1:00Speaker 1: can know if you want to kill a buck on
- 1:02Speaker 1: a scrape. Mid October is your window, as long as
- 1:05Speaker 1: you know which scrapes to hunt and when. Which is
- 1:07Speaker 1: where we are going with this whole episode. I'm guessing
- 1:24Speaker 1: that more than a few of the folks listening to
- 1:26Speaker 1: this podcast right now are thinking this is a good
- 1:28Speaker 1: time to hunt some wood ducks, or maybe get in
- 1:31Speaker 1: some last nights on the water catching smallmouth before getting
- 1:34Speaker 1: really serious about white tails. Here's the thing, at least
- 1:38Speaker 1: from my experience, mid October is underrated. I'm not going
- 1:42Speaker 1: to pretend it's as exciting as the rut because it's not.
- 1:45Speaker 1: But it's not a lost cause either, and it's an
- 1:47Speaker 1: opportunity for public land hunters as well as anyone who
- 1:51Speaker 1: shares the woods with other hunters, to have a last
- 1:54Speaker 1: week or two kind of to themselves before the rut.
- 1:56Speaker 1: Hunting army marches into the hardwoods with their brand new
- 1:59Speaker 1: grunt too and bottles a dopee, ready to post up
- 2:01Speaker 1: on every pinch point and funnel in the forest while
- 2:04Speaker 1: taking sunrise selfies for Instagram and filming themselves dipping donuts
- 2:07Speaker 1: into their coffee for TikTok. If you want to get
- 2:10Speaker 1: out before that on slot, do it, but do it
- 2:13Speaker 1: in a way that takes advantage of last week's staging
- 2:16Speaker 1: area advice and something else. Scrapes. This is purely anecdotal
- 2:22Speaker 1: on my part, but let me tell you a few
- 2:24Speaker 1: things I really believe about hunting scrapes. The first is
- 2:28Speaker 1: that when I started bowl hunting, I didn't know anything
- 2:30Speaker 1: about scrapes other than bucks made them, and I wanted
- 2:32Speaker 1: to sit over them because I knew bucks made them.
- 2:35Speaker 1: I hunted them for years without ever killing a buck
- 2:37Speaker 1: on a scrape, let alone seeing one use one, or
- 2:40Speaker 1: make one. At least to a young, mostly clueless Minnesota
- 2:44Speaker 1: bow hunter, they were like crop circles. They just showed
- 2:46Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, and that was
- 2:48Speaker 1: at In fact, I don't think I saw a legitimate
- 2:51Speaker 1: buck use the scrape until I was probably in my
- 2:53Speaker 1: early twenties. Then it was a scrapper and it didn't
- 2:56Speaker 1: register as anything meaningful at all. It wasn't until I
- 3:00Speaker 1: was on the hunt for a monster buck on public
- 3:02Speaker 1: land in the Twin Cities in two thousand and eleven
- 3:04Speaker 1: that got a real lesson on scrapes. While the really
- 3:08Speaker 1: big boy had disappeared on me, his younger sidekicks suddenly
- 3:11Speaker 1: showed up right where they had been all summer long.
- 3:14Speaker 1: It was mid October, it was hot, it was windy
- 3:17Speaker 1: and really bad weather for white tails, and the timing
- 3:21Speaker 1: sucked if you believe in that sort of thing. I
- 3:24Speaker 1: was tucked into an overgrown fence row, mostly just watching
- 3:27Speaker 1: when he popped out of the cat tail slue and
- 3:29Speaker 1: worked his way down a woodline. That nine pointer. He
- 3:32Speaker 1: didn't make it too far before a smaller eight pointer
- 3:34Speaker 1: stepped out. They squared off, but didn't fight. Instead, they
- 3:38Speaker 1: stood ten yards apart and both made scrapes in the dry,
- 3:42Speaker 1: sandy soil. It looked like a whole digging contest from
- 3:44Speaker 1: my vantage point. The bigger buck worked his antlers into
- 3:47Speaker 1: an overhanging pine bow, took a leak on his tarslo glands,
- 3:51Speaker 1: and then made his way back to the cat tails
- 3:53Speaker 1: and out of sight. The following day, it got hotter,
- 3:56Speaker 1: it got windier, and less likely that anyone else would
- 3:59Speaker 1: go in there to hunt, so I grabbed a stand
- 4:02Speaker 1: in some sticks and I hiked in. I set up
- 4:04Speaker 1: seven yards from his scrape in the best tree I
- 4:06Speaker 1: could find, and settled in to sway in the thirty
- 4:08Speaker 1: mile per hour wind. It wasn't all that much later
- 4:11Speaker 1: when a doe came out, which got my attention because
- 4:13Speaker 1: I was hunting hungry and I had ant los tags.
- 4:16Speaker 1: I also thought the odds of the nine point returning
- 4:19Speaker 1: were very low. As she fed closer, I looked around
- 4:22Speaker 1: and saw times coming out of the cat tails, which
- 4:24Speaker 1: meant my focus shifted in a hurry. The wind meant
- 4:28Speaker 1: that calling was out of the question, so I just
- 4:29Speaker 1: had to cross my fingers and hoped the buck returned
- 4:32Speaker 1: to a scrape. When I lost sight of him. I
- 4:34Speaker 1: figured that wasn't going to happen, but it did. With
- 4:38Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of shooting, light left and at the shot
- 4:41Speaker 1: he took off cartoon level fast, and although I didn't
- 4:43Speaker 1: see it, ended up dying in the middle of a
- 4:45Speaker 1: pond that was deep enough to make me nearly swim
- 4:47Speaker 1: to retrieve him. Killing a really good buck in those
- 4:50Speaker 1: conditions on public land on a scrape left the mark
- 4:53Speaker 1: on me. It changed how I looked at hunting at scrapes,
- 4:56Speaker 1: which was further solidified a few weeks later when I
- 4:59Speaker 1: aarrowed a great ten inner as he worked a scrape
- 5:01Speaker 1: in Illinois. That buck, traveling after a five days stretch
- 5:04Speaker 1: of rainy, nasty weather that finally blew out, was working
- 5:08Speaker 1: a scrape when he was supposed to in the morning
- 5:11Speaker 1: after the rain during the rut. Together, the two bucks
- 5:15Speaker 1: made me realize that I was looking at scrapes as
- 5:17Speaker 1: fools gold. Yet in a span of three weeks, I
- 5:20Speaker 1: turned a clunker of a season into one that looked
- 5:22Speaker 1: pretty good, all because of scrapes. Since then, I've spent
- 5:26Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about and hunting scrapes, and
- 5:28Speaker 1: I really believe this is the time when most white
- 5:32Speaker 1: tail communication happens with them, but not all scrapes are
- 5:36Speaker 1: created equal. Just like the field edge rub, a scrape
- 5:39Speaker 1: on the edge of the soybean field is probably not
- 5:41Speaker 1: your best friend. It was probably made at night, probably
- 5:45Speaker 1: gets visited at night, and probably doesn't do you much
- 5:47Speaker 1: good as a hunter. Now, if you're in a secluded
- 5:50Speaker 1: spot with low hunting pressure, this might be worth setting
- 5:53Speaker 1: up over. It could really concentrate any movement you're likely
- 5:56Speaker 1: to see during shooting hours, and since you're already hunting
- 5:59Speaker 1: over food, you might as well get in a downwind
- 6:01Speaker 1: position to shoot the scrape just in case. A scrape
- 6:05Speaker 1: in the woods might be a different story. Might might
- 6:08Speaker 1: be a different story, especially a good size scrape, because
- 6:12Speaker 1: this often indicates you're in a travel hub. If the
- 6:15Speaker 1: scrape has a licking branch, then you're in business. If
- 6:18Speaker 1: it doesn't, forget it. It's worthless. If you don't know
- 6:21Speaker 1: what a licking branches, walk up to a scrape and
- 6:24Speaker 1: all hell, just google it. But when you're on the
- 6:27Speaker 1: woods and you find a scrape, look at the ground,
- 6:29Speaker 1: then look up four or five six ft in the
- 6:31Speaker 1: air and there will be a branch that was chewed
- 6:34Speaker 1: on and it looks like it's expertly twisted to hang
- 6:37Speaker 1: right over the scrape. That's real important. Now, A dished
- 6:42Speaker 1: out scrape in this scenario is one that is worth
- 6:45Speaker 1: thinking about. Usually it will be in a place where
- 6:49Speaker 1: dear end up as they travel through and stage, and
- 6:52Speaker 1: it will be communications central the licking branch, which is
- 6:56Speaker 1: more important than any amount of exposed dirt provide. It's
- 7:00Speaker 1: a spot for all bucks to leave their calling card
- 7:02Speaker 1: via the preorbital glands on their forehead. In both in
- 7:06Speaker 1: person observation and after running trail cameras on video mode
- 7:10Speaker 1: over scrapes. I've never seen a buck work of scrape
- 7:13Speaker 1: that didn't rub his face on the licking branch. It
- 7:15Speaker 1: seems to happen every time, actually pawing out the dirt
- 7:19Speaker 1: and peeing down their hawks to carry the scent away
- 7:21Speaker 1: from their tarso glands. That's another story. Sometimes they do this,
- 7:25Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. You might ask why, which is a
- 7:29Speaker 1: good question, and I don't know the answer. I also
- 7:32Speaker 1: don't know why you occasionally see a buck walking through
- 7:34Speaker 1: the woods making what looks like random scrapes along the route,
- 7:37Speaker 1: you know, every Maybe it's just a natural inclination that
- 7:41Speaker 1: allows them to saturate the area with his scent. But
- 7:44Speaker 1: it's a different behavior than visiting a community scrape and
- 7:47Speaker 1: adding to the matrix of scent deposited there by visiting
- 7:50Speaker 1: bucks and does And that's right. The ladies use scrapes
- 7:54Speaker 1: sometimes too, but it seems like they are almost always
- 7:57Speaker 1: interested in the licking branch and not the piste soaked
- 7:59Speaker 1: dirt to white tails live by their noses, and scrapes
- 8:03Speaker 1: sure seem to be away for them to check in
- 8:05Speaker 1: with daily updates, sort of like the dear version of
- 8:07Speaker 1: social media, without all the ads or selfies or humble
- 8:10Speaker 1: briggs or other bullshit. The key takeaway here is that, dear,
- 8:13Speaker 1: do visit scrapes at night and sometimes in the day,
- 8:17Speaker 1: and if you find one that is ripe, you might
- 8:19Speaker 1: kill a buck on it. But how do you know.
- 8:22Speaker 1: You know by location and through trail cameras. I'll get
- 8:26Speaker 1: to location in a second, but let me first dive
- 8:28Speaker 1: into monitoring scrapes with trail cameras. It's fascinating. It's also
- 8:33Speaker 1: dangerous because this is often a here this week but
- 8:37Speaker 1: gone the next week's strategy. If you have a cell
- 8:39Speaker 1: camera and they're legal to use, setting one up over
- 8:42Speaker 1: a scrape in October will tell you a lot. If
- 8:45Speaker 1: you're on a traditional camera or three, you can learn
- 8:48Speaker 1: a lot from them too, but you have to go
- 8:50Speaker 1: in to check them, which means more intrusion in the woods. Obviously,
- 8:54Speaker 1: when I'm in this position, I tend to slip in
- 8:56Speaker 1: as if I'm going to hunt. Then I check the camera,
- 8:59Speaker 1: and if it's some daylight visitors, I actually probably will
- 9:02Speaker 1: hunt if the setup is right. If not, it's time
- 9:05Speaker 1: to slip out and head somewhere else, or back off
- 9:07Speaker 1: and just observe the area. Now, as far as good
- 9:10Speaker 1: scrape locations go, they have to be where the deer
- 9:13Speaker 1: want to walk first and foremost. It doesn't matter if
- 9:17Speaker 1: you find scrapes where you want to hunt. If it's
- 9:20Speaker 1: not where the deer are likely to walk during the
- 9:22Speaker 1: daylight hours. What happens there is that they visit at
- 9:26Speaker 1: three in the morning, and that's totally worthless to you.
- 9:29Speaker 1: Scrapes on wooded ridges, deep in the swamps, where three
- 9:32Speaker 1: fingers a slightly higher ground meet next to the lowlands,
- 9:35Speaker 1: or where a hardwood point next down to feed into
- 9:38Speaker 1: distant egg fields are all spots where a scrape could
- 9:42Speaker 1: really round out your hunting plan. Now, don't just get
- 9:46Speaker 1: excited when you find a car hood sized scrape with
- 9:48Speaker 1: a licking branch hanging over it, because it has to
- 9:51Speaker 1: be in a great spot and you have to be
- 9:53Speaker 1: able to hunt it. This is trickier than it sounds
- 9:56Speaker 1: because it's so easy to find a scrape and decided
- 9:58Speaker 1: to climb up ten yards away so that you can
- 10:01Speaker 1: arrow any heavy beam visitors who are surely coming. Because
- 10:05Speaker 1: you're hunting in middle to late October, you've got to
- 10:07Speaker 1: consider the cover. Consider the reason for a buck to
- 10:10Speaker 1: be in the area and moving in daylight. Is their
- 10:13Speaker 1: security cover around? Are you fairly close to some known
- 10:16Speaker 1: or suspected betting areas? Does he have to put himself
- 10:19Speaker 1: in any real danger to get there, like by traveling
- 10:22Speaker 1: through openings or simply covering a lot of ground. If
- 10:25Speaker 1: he can get up in the late afternoon and work
- 10:27Speaker 1: his way to the scrape without getting into trouble, you're
- 10:30Speaker 1: onto something. But now you gotta think about the wind.
- 10:32Speaker 1: This is a big one because you want to be
- 10:35Speaker 1: down wind, but so does he. Most bucks I've seen
- 10:38Speaker 1: approach a scrape to work it, and they just come
- 10:41Speaker 1: in from downwind, it's just how it happens. This is
- 10:44Speaker 1: where a lot of hunters get into trouble because they
- 10:46Speaker 1: think they have to be within easy shooting distance of
- 10:49Speaker 1: the actual scrape. If you can get that and play
- 10:52Speaker 1: some type of train feature like a steep drop off
- 10:54Speaker 1: or a lake that simply won't allow a buck to
- 10:56Speaker 1: get down wind of view, then by all means hunt
- 10:59Speaker 1: that sucker that way. But if you can't, which is
- 11:01Speaker 1: really common in flatter areas like you'll find in many
- 11:05Speaker 1: plain states, or when you're dealing with big woods bucks
- 11:08Speaker 1: in a pile of different regions, you might want to
- 11:10Speaker 1: back up. This is a hard thing to do, but
- 11:13Speaker 1: instead of planning to shoot the scrape, I sometimes set
- 11:15Speaker 1: up fourty or fifty yards down wind. This might sound
- 11:18Speaker 1: like I know that bucks will always approach from twenty
- 11:20Speaker 1: five yards down wind, and therefore I've played chest to
- 11:23Speaker 1: their checkers. That's not the case. What I'm doing is
- 11:26Speaker 1: just playing it safe, and I know that the bucks
- 11:29Speaker 1: that visit scrapes are often in a staging mood. They
- 11:33Speaker 1: often mill around and are highly collable when they're in
- 11:36Speaker 1: a comfortable spot. If a buck walks right into a
- 11:39Speaker 1: scrape and doesn't give me a shot. It might be
- 11:41Speaker 1: a matter of a couple of soft grunts or bleeds
- 11:43Speaker 1: to get him into range, or I might just see
- 11:45Speaker 1: something to work with for the following day's hunt. What
- 11:48Speaker 1: I don't want to do is blow them out of
- 11:50Speaker 1: there by crowding right into this scrape if I can't
- 11:53Speaker 1: get away with it. Sometimes this cautious approach absolutely burns me,
- 11:57Speaker 1: because they do just march right in and work it
- 12:00Speaker 1: without thinking too hard about wind direction. That seems to
- 12:04Speaker 1: be mostly a young buck move, however, and not as
- 12:07Speaker 1: common with older deer, So I just play the odds,
- 12:09Speaker 1: and you probably should too. You should also pay close
- 12:12Speaker 1: attention to the weather when you're building a scrape hunting plant. Now,
- 12:16Speaker 1: this didn't come from me. It's been in the deer
- 12:17Speaker 1: hunting zeitgeist for a long long time, but it's worth repeating.
- 12:21Speaker 1: It seems that bucks are interested in freshening up scrapes
- 12:24Speaker 1: after a rain. That Illinois buck I mentioned earlier, he
- 12:27Speaker 1: was absolutely on that program when I airrowed him. I've
- 12:30Speaker 1: seen other bucks do this as well, and since they
- 12:32Speaker 1: live off their noses and olfactory communication is huge in
- 12:35Speaker 1: the white tails world, it just kind of seems to
- 12:38Speaker 1: make sense. It might also be bs, but that's okay.
- 12:42Speaker 1: Deer move when it rains, and they move when fronts
- 12:45Speaker 1: blow through. Now, even if they don't think, holy cow,
- 12:48Speaker 1: that rainstorm last night probably removed all my sweet glandular
- 12:51Speaker 1: calling cards they left for the ladies, or the thinly
- 12:54Speaker 1: veiled threats of violence from my rivals. They're out there,
- 12:57Speaker 1: moving around when the rain is falling and after the
- 12:59Speaker 1: rain is quit it. You should hunt those conditions, whether
- 13:02Speaker 1: you're on private land, public land, clued into giant community scrapes,
- 13:06Speaker 1: or couldn't reliably tell a scrape from a spot where
- 13:08Speaker 1: a fox squirrel dug up a walnut. Now, I have
- 13:10Speaker 1: to say this as a disclaimer, Scrapes aren't the answer
- 13:13Speaker 1: to all of our deer hunting problems, even if you
- 13:16Speaker 1: time it right, hunt when the conditions are favorable and
- 13:19Speaker 1: identify a perfect scrape in the perfect spot. Scrapes are
- 13:23Speaker 1: primarily used at night. They're far from sure things. When
- 13:27Speaker 1: you're stuck hunting between first and last light, they can
- 13:30Speaker 1: be the ticket, but more importantly, usually just show you
- 13:33Speaker 1: where lots of deer travel throughout the day and night. Now,
- 13:36Speaker 1: even if you're in a low density situation, like on
- 13:38Speaker 1: a big woods up north type of hunt, the right
- 13:41Speaker 1: scrape can clue you into a spot where deer like
- 13:43Speaker 1: to be at some point in the week. This is
- 13:45Speaker 1: good news and can allow you to either focus on
- 13:47Speaker 1: the spot or use it as a starting point to
- 13:49Speaker 1: backtrack from, kind of like when you find a monster
- 13:52Speaker 1: buckbed tucked into a small island in the swamp. Clues
- 13:55Speaker 1: they are important. Maybe you won't arrow a buck on
- 13:58Speaker 1: a community scrape, but given its location, it will give
- 14:01Speaker 1: you an idea of direction to travel, and that will
- 14:03Speaker 1: lead you to a softer edge deeper in the woods,
- 14:05Speaker 1: or a benjy hillside where he sleeps away the midday hours.
- 14:08Speaker 1: Or maybe just finding one scrape that checks a bunch
- 14:10Speaker 1: of boxes will get you into the woods when the
- 14:12Speaker 1: rest of your hunting competition is home watching football and
- 14:15Speaker 1: thinking that there is no real reason to hunt when
- 14:17Speaker 1: it will be on fire in a couple of weeks.
- 14:19Speaker 1: That might be the best reason of all to get
- 14:21Speaker 1: into the woods and set up well down wind of
- 14:23Speaker 1: a scrape, So go do that. Just kill one before
- 14:25Speaker 1: the red base hunter parade shows up and changes everything,
- 14:29Speaker 1: or you'll just get clued into the buck concentration. Like
- 14:32Speaker 1: I said, this is something just worth repeating and always
- 14:35Speaker 1: paying attention to, whether you hunt private ground or public
- 14:39Speaker 1: A place with a well used scrape, like I said,
- 14:42Speaker 1: usually where deer concentrate and where the odds are high
- 14:45Speaker 1: that multiple deer will travel through there. Otherwise what's the
- 14:49Speaker 1: point of I'm trying to communicate with one another. This
- 14:52Speaker 1: means that instead of thinking of just sitting over that
- 14:54Speaker 1: scrape as a strategy, that that pot up dirt with
- 14:57Speaker 1: a well used looking branch might just be giving you
- 14:59Speaker 1: a peak into dear behavior in the moment. The bucks
- 15:03Speaker 1: that got blown out of the swamp on duck opener,
- 15:06Speaker 1: they might relocate to a deep woods basin where they'll
- 15:08Speaker 1: established scrapes. Right now, fresh well used scrapes indicate you're
- 15:12Speaker 1: probably in a good area, but that require a little
- 15:15Speaker 1: fine tuning. This is why I always bring in the
- 15:18Speaker 1: prospect of observation stands. You've heard me preach this over
- 15:21Speaker 1: and over again. If you find a scrape that checks
- 15:23Speaker 1: all the boxes, but you sit over and it doesn't produce,
- 15:26Speaker 1: what does that mean? Or if you find an area
- 15:28Speaker 1: where there are several scrapes in a point of woods
- 15:30Speaker 1: that leads out eventually to a pickcornfield. What does that mean.
- 15:34Speaker 1: It means you know something about deer concentrations right now
- 15:37Speaker 1: and likely your travel roads. That's not nothing, even if
- 15:42Speaker 1: it might be disappointed to think that you could just
- 15:44Speaker 1: find the right scrape, sit over and fill your tag.
- 15:46Speaker 1: The white tail woods are too fickle for that to
- 15:48Speaker 1: be a totally consistent season to season strategy, especially if
- 15:51Speaker 1: you hunt in public land. But it can happen, and
- 15:54Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you'll probably learn quite a bit about
- 15:57Speaker 1: how to use the knowledge of scrapes to keep the
- 15:59Speaker 1: hunting fire burning and the action going. That's a sweet
- 16:02Speaker 1: consolation prize. Now, next week I'll start to dive into
- 16:05Speaker 1: the very first stages of the pre rod where this
- 16:08Speaker 1: scrape strategy might hold out or it might die. It's
- 16:11Speaker 1: okay either way, because you're going to get a lot
- 16:13Speaker 1: more options when it comes to killing a buck simply
- 16:15Speaker 1: due to the dates on the old calendar. That's it
- 16:20Speaker 1: for this week, my friends. As always, thank you so
- 16:22Speaker 1: much for listening. I'm Tony Peterson and this has been
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