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Catskill Mountain Bigfoot & the Little People on SOR with Charles Andrews · The Cryptid Huntress

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Okay, well, that's enough of the business, y'all. We have
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a fantastic show tonight. I have Charles Andrews in the studio tonight. I
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have been getting to know Charles. He is one of the most dedicated boots
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on the ground Bigfoot field researchers. He's out of New York. He's I
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think him a Long Island Bigfoot. They're gonna be good friends once they meet
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one day. They're just about They both do just about the same amount of
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boots on the ground field research. I myself have been out field research in
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this past week. My son was out of school for winter break, so
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we were up in the woods quite a bit this week, and man it
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was amazing. I am so recharged. I feel great tonight. So yeah,
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after this show, don't forget the After Hours has a fantastic program set
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up for us, So y'all go over there after we're done. Okay,
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that was long winded, wasn't it. Okay, let's get to our guest
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tonight. Charles Andrews is a bigfoot researcher from the Cat's School area of the
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cats School Mountains, located in upstate New York, who has a bigfoot research
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team called Catskill Mountain Bigfoot. They conduct field research on multiple family groups and
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areas in which they inhabit. From October twenty twenty one to October twenty twenty
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two, Charles conducted a year of full time research minimum of five days a
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week, which allowed him to work many different theories and hypothesis, ultimately obtaining
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an abundance of knowledge and information retaining to the bigfoot species in the Catskill Mountains.
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And Oh my gosh, I cannot wait to talk to Charles tonight.
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You guys please help me. Welcome to the show, Charles Andrews. Hey,
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Charles, Hello, Hey, welcome to Space Out Radio. Thank you
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for being here tonight. Let's do it. Can you hear me? Yeah?
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I can hear you? Yeah? Okay, good, awesome. I
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am so excited to be here. I've really had a good time talking to
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you the past week or so, catching up and learning about your research out
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there in the Catskill Mountains. You are a very dedicated boots on the groundfield
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researcher, and I can appreciate that big time. And I think you and
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I have a lot in common. Okay, So tell me tonight a little
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bit about your research, tell me how you got into it, and yeah,
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we're going to start there. How about that? All right? Well,
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the way I got into it was I seen the documentary Discovering Bigfoot,
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and I thought it was believable and interesting. And my family's from red Hook,
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New York, which is in Duchess County, and red Hook, New
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York is an extremely hot spot for bigfoot. It's like a common thing over
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there. Not that I was ever interested in it prior to that, but
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I've heard of it before. There's like a little museum over there, there's
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a lady that does research over there, and so when I saw the documentary,
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I was like, I want to try to go do that. So
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over like a month after I seen the documentary, I did a bunch of
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research, watching a bunch of different podcasts, into interviews with researchers, and
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I learned signs and symbols and how to read topo maps and qualifications for a
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habitat, and I made plans to go out for a hike with a buddy
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of mine, and the night before the hike it snowed like eight inches,
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so we canceled the hike the next morning, but I still went out for
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a ride, and that morning I found eighteen inch tracks going across the field.
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It was eight feet from step to step. The eighteen inch tracks were
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chasing a deer. They ran into a woods line where they ran into a
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sixteen inch track. At that point there was like a big indentation in the
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snow, and it was like yellowish green, mute is all down in the
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indentation. At that point, there's no more deer tracks, and the two
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tracks go down around the field into the creek and up into the ridges in
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the backside. That same day, my mom goes down the Catskill and she
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sees what she thinks are tracks on the way down the Catskill. So we
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go down there, we look, and sure enough it's again barefoot tracks in
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the snow. They're not as big as the other tracks, they're more like
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five nine and thirteen inches, but they are barefoot tracks coming down out the
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woods, hanging around this old eighteen hundred cemetery, and then going back up
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this hill into the woods and we go there and we check the tracks out,
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and we go up the hill and at the top of the hill we
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find the tree bray a couple of tree structures. So we're like sight right,
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And I have pictures and videos of all this on my Facebook group,
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probably not the YouTube channel. And so I go home that night and I
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google bigfoot sightings in Catskill, New York, and the first thing that comes
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up is a lady, miss Williams, that caught a juvenile eating out of
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her pigs pen, and she calls some researchers. They come over and do
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some research. They call it inconclusive. But the lady, miss Williams is
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like a mile down the road from where we found the tracks. It's the
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same batch of woods. So we wait. So we wait like three weeks
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for this snow to meltdown, and we go back there. And the first
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day we go back there, we find all kinds of tree structures and tree
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brakes and tracks. And then we're clearly being flanked the whole time, like
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something's following us through the woods pretty much the whole time. At one point
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we take little rest down in a gully with there's ridges on both sides of
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us, and on both the backside of both of those ridges, we could
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hear things moving around and we could hear something moving around. So we moved
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down a couple hundred yards and it follows us, and at that point we
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were pretty much we were hooked. You were hugged. So I got your
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adrenaline pump in, I bet, because that's that's kind of how I got
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hipped into. It was the It's just an adrenaline rush, right, and
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it's it's like, Wow, you're seeing things that aren't supposed to exist,
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and you're experiencing things that are not supposed to exist. We're not supposed to
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have monsters like this. You're a monster. They're not monsters. I'm not
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calling the monsters, but some people do. They don't know what they're what
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they're dealing with out there, so I can, I can. I'm sure
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there are so many things going through your head at that point. Yeah,
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it's definitely scary, fun, that's for sure. It's always scary. You're
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there for them, but it's always scary, right, But it's fun scary.
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It's way better than a haunted, haunted hay ride or something. Right.
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It's like you, yeah, you want to have fun on Halloween go
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to go on a nighttime bigfoot expedition in a hot spot. That's why I
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always tell everybody it's so important to get your your mind straight before you go
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out in the field because it's not for the faint of heart, and you
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really need to have your thoughts together, okay, because when you do experience
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something that's a little scary, like that are a lot scary, you know,
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you don't want to be that person. That's like taking off running and
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waiting your pants, you know what I mean. So does you gotta be
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prepared for You gotta be tough basically, I think definitely. Yeah. It.
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You got to be spiritually sound, that's for sure. Yeah, for
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sure, for sure. Well you you actually spent a full year out there,
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uh five days a week, at least five days a week, every
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every week for a whole year. How was that and what did you learn
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from that? Well? Well, I think the coolest thing that I learned
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is I was able to go to multiple habitats in the same day, right,
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And when I did that and I had activity in multiple habitats in the
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same day, I started getting the drift that Okay, these are really it's
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not a family group that's inhabiting all of cat skill. It's multiple different family
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groups, right. And then I came up with a way to cause in
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Upstate New York, the tracks are kind of they're not pretty like you see
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on television. Right. I came up with a way to measure length and
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width of the tracks, and I started document them the tracks, and I
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started realizing that certain track sizes only stayed in certain areas. They were never
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over there, they were always here, you see what I'm saying. And
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ultimately I figured out that it's multiple family groups that if you ask me living
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some sort of community setting. Because if you look at but if you took
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a map and you knew where all the family groups were and you circle their
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habitats, it would ultimately look like a little community of properties, right.
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And I think that is one thing that if you went on the weekends,
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just the weekends, you would never be able to figure that out. The
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only way I was able to figure that out was being able to go five
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days a week constantly multiple habitats because it's so far hard to find fresh tracks
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because you're not going to measure the same track over and over. Right,
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The jacks only good for one measurement. You got to constantly be producing fresh
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tracks to get fresh measurements, to make sure that these footsteps, these sized
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footsteps are rolling in this habitat and they're not going over there right now.
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I don't necessarily think that that is universal across the country. I think it
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the bigfoot species here main food source is the deer, and deer in upstate
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New York aren't really a migrant species. Like if that buck lives in that
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woods, that buck kind of lives in that woods, right, they don't
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mind. Like elk is what I'm getting at. If you go over to
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like the western the West coast, like Colorado, their main food source would
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be elk as far as meat, and elk is a migrant source. So
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it would make sense that the sasquatch species over there would be a migrant species
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following the elk as opposed to the species here is more stable in one area
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constantly because their food source stays in that one area constantly, they don't have
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to migrate. That is so interesting. Okay, So I was out doing
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some big footing myself this week, and there's this one field that I keep
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getting drawn to, and it's an open field that's been plowed. It's not
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some government property, okay, like a WMA kind of a deal wildlife management
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area, and so they plow this field. And every time I go into
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up to this field, and there's a bunch of these fields all over Georgia,
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but there's always a ton of deer sign, okay, deer. Deer
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sign is like deer tracks, okay, any where there. We actually found
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a gigantic a big antler. Okay, it wasn't it was like a three
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pointer, but it was still pretty big, just laying on the ground there.
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But there is just covered in deer sign, okay. And that includes
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poop y'all okay and all that kind of stuff. So you can tell it
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with where if that's how you tell, like if they're deer, if they're
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doze, or if they're bucks by that okay. But but I've I figured
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if there's any place that we're going to find some tracks, it's going to
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be in that field, okay, bigfoot tracks, because that is a perfect
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place for all the deers to go food source. The only thing we ended
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up finding, by the way, was just that antler. But but that's
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a great place to go. I think that's a good bit of advice for
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people who want to go bigfooting. And I want a good place to go,
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go go to a place it has a lot of deer deer tracks,
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you know, uh, somewhere that has a lot of resources for the bigfoots
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to eat, Right, wouldn't you say the same to produce constant tracks?
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Is I know I've put eyes on every single inch of the habitats, right,
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so I know there's certain areas of the habitats that are going to have
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softer ground when it rains, or maybe softer ground all the time, and
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you got to check those areas constantly. You gotta constant You gotta know every
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inch of your habitat. You gotta know what areas are gonna even take a
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track when they come across it. And then you have to constantly check those
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areas for the tracks. Right, Like we talked about, the mountains are
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the same here and where you're at, Right, it's the same stretch of
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mountains. It's the appalations all the way from New York where in Georgia,
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Yes, in Alabama, that area it's all rock, it's not soft soil,
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right, it's all it's not sandy it's all rot right. So you
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got to find the areas in your habitat that are going to be subcessible to
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tracks that they're going to leave a track, and you got to constantly go
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back and check that area. Check that area. Look for the tracks around
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a swamp, around the lake, around a creek bed, maybe a little
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runoff creek that only happens when it rains that comes down through the woods,
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off a bridge, anywhere that gets moist, soft ground. You got to
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know it, and you got to go back constantly and keep checking and keep
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checking, and the tracks will be there if you know what you're looking for.
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Yeah, you know, I had read you know. I follow you
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and I'm part of your Facebook group Caskill Mountain Bigfoot, and you put some
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fantastic videos out there. It's super impressive. But I remember you making a
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post talking about the black bear population. You are saying that you believe that
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some of the Bigfoot families and the groups up there outnumber the black bear population.
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There's a lot of black bear up in New York. From want I
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understand, I believe that if you took a map out and you drew a
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line at the Hudson River, right, we're talking about Catskill, New York.
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So if you took a map out of the Catskill, New York,
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and you drew a line at the shoreline of the Hudson River, and then
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there's Route twenty three that goes from Catskill to Panlin Bill, you drew a
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line just off off that Route twenty three, and then you got Route twenty
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three that goes from Catskill to Caro. I you drew a line there,
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and then you connected that line. I just made you a box, right.
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I can tell you without a doubt in that box there was easily an
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equal amount of bigfoot to black bear. But I believe it exceeds because I'm
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researching the foothills of the Catskill Mountain. So I'm researching significant size patches of
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woods that have the qualifications for a habitat. Right. So while I'm in
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there in those patches of woods, looking for bigfoot, looking for bigfoot signs,
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what else do I see? I see the and I see the bear
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tracks, and I see the bear signs. So I get an idea of
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how many bears are in this batch of woods, and I get from taking
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lengthen with on the tracks, I have an idea of the size of the
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family unit that lives in that woods. In the family unit, even if
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it's by one, always outnumbers the bears. So if that happens in each
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habitat, what do you got more big foot than bear? Right? Yeah?
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Okay, how many how many members of each family or group do you
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think there are? Are they are these big groups big families? Or are
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there like five or six or three or four? What do you think?
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What I've counted ranging from three to seven, seven being the largest, three
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being the smallest, and and is what I think personally? Right? This
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might be a little bit out there, but uh well, we're not talking
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about animals. Let's just get that straight. Right, We're talking about people,
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right, and people that have a level of discipline that us people could
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never even begin to understand. Right, So we're not talking about a stupid
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person or anything like that. We're talking about an extremely disciplined, intelligent person
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of the woods, right, So let's get that straight. So I believe
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that they live in a community setting right where I used to live. They
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used to come up on the creek bank all spring, summer, and fall.
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Sometimes there would be more individuals on the creek bank than there is in
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any family group. Then I learned, you know what, You almost never
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see big daddy, right, You always see juveniles. Big Daddy would probably
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never be on the creek bank, nor neither would mama. It's probably all
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the juveniles from the local family groups, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's
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nice. Something's juveniles likely to come out and mess with us and smack us
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from behind and things like that when out there when we're not paying attention and
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throwing rocks and stuff. I think that a lot of that is juvenile activity
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coming from my experience. Yeah. Well, so now the habitat that they
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inhabit, right, you would imagine that that family group probably inhabited that land
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for hundreds of years, right, Okay, but it would have to hand
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down, I don't know, maybe to the eldest child, right, because
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it would have to hand down eventually the parents would die and the land wouldn't
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just come open. You would think it would hand down to a child.
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Right. They're inheriting land like we inherit land. But the other siblings would
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have to go off and start their own family group in their own patch of
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woods. And when you come across the three member that's a new family that
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has a young new family that has recently inhabited dispatch of woods. They only
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got one kid, right, new family, it's not a full family.
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Full family got two adults, I would say four children. Right, That's
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that's what I think. Ok, that's it. Yeah, Well I was
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I have a quick question because I was thinking about this. My friend David
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Pardu up in North Carolina. He's a dedicated boots on the ground field research
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or too. He goes out with our and he's part of my team.
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And uh, and he's up there, he has a lot of He comes
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across a lot of stick structures and like trees that have been twisted time and
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time again, just like huge trees that are twisted and twisted and twisted and
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stuff. But there's there's some of these stick structures that he comes across,
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and they're very what do you want to call it. It's like not intricate
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or anything. It's just kind of plane, like some sticks up against a
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tree. And and to him, he's been going out there long enough,
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he knows these bigfoot families that are out there, and he says that he
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believes that those sticks are indications of how many bigfoot are in that area.
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Yeah, so like they put like a number there to like notify this is
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how many of us are here and stuff. So do you do you come
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across stuff like that out in your area that you research? You know,
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the biggest tree structure that I run into is triangles. You could say it
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looks like a triangle. You might say it looks like an a. Right,
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those the star structures. I don't run into them all the time.
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And I've never found a structure that the number of sticks directly correlated with the
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number of individuals in the family group. Right, I guess other than the
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three member group in the triangle is three sticks, but I never added that
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up like that, right. Yeah. Good. I have no idea what
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the stick structures mean. I just know that they do them. No,
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right, Yeah, we have been across a lot of like tree bins and
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tree arches and stuff, and well, you know, it's weird. It's
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like I want to Okay, So, like I've been taught they you don't
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just automatically think of it as being a bigfoot structure, right, because you
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can never underestimate the power of a drunk camper or something, or you know,
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just anybody that's bored or something, or somebody that's trying to like trick
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you or something. They know where your research area is, you know,
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but these things are so massive and they look small, but like when you're
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there in person, it's like this, you know, thirty foot tall tree.
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It's bent over and it's like twelve feet up in the air where that
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arch is, and then it's tied together with other sticks from other trees that
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aren't even around the area. Different types are trees and stuff where those sticks
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come from. So it's it's a little confusing, but it's also fantastic because
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I think that it absolutely could be a bigfoot made structure. Now is that
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kind of where your head is too, Like, do you think that it
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could be like humans out there making somebody's that bigfoot? This is a good
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way to look at it. It's never just the arch or the structure,
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right, It's everything in conjunction with one another. Right, So that arch,
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that structure, and that track all validate one another. You understand what
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I'm saying. So if you're somewhere and that track, that arch, and
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that structure all validate one another. The arch by itself might not be nothing
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spectacular, but when you take the arch and you put it with the structure
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in the track, it starts validating one another. That's one thing. Another
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thing is six out of ten times, right, And I don't care what
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anybody says. Six out of ten times the tree structures, the tree breaks,
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or the stick manipulations or the tree manipulations are in manners that no human
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can do it. No human can do it. The humans can't rip living
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trees off stumps and pick them up and put them places. Even a dead
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tree, a small dead tree is very heavy. You ain't picking it up,
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like, yeah, maybe even more. I'm trying to be conservative,
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right. Wood is so heavy, like if you topwood is heavy, man,
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Yeah, totally even Like I told you, I was out the other
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day and I took a couple of videos of a couple of structures, and
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one was so simple. But if we it was two live trees that were
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teepeed in a real old stick that was bent up and leaned on top of
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it. Right, if any humans tried to do that, they break the
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stick. There's only one stick. You only got one shot. They break
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the stick. They're not bending the wood, right, We're not able to
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bend wood somehow, they are able to bend wood and the other structure.
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The top branch that was going through it was woven through. Right. We
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tried to do that. We break every branch on the stick, trying to
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do that. Right, If we don't do that and not break no branches
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and it looks pristina that the doesn't happen like that. It's just one of
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those sayings that mainstream media and mainstream science utilized to discredit the Bigfoot universe.
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It's one of so many of the things that people say, drive me nuts,
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and just a little bit of logic and really looking at it and you
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see that it really you're not mistaking a big foot track for a bear track.
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It's not happening. And I don't know, I just I'm not even
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like an avid woodsman. I'm not mistaking the two. You're not going to
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mistake your foot track for a bear track, are you. You're gonna go
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out step in the sand and say, wow, that looks like a bear
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track. No, no, no, exactly. Well, you know that's
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why it's so important for people who are out in the field, like really
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know your your animals, okay, know the animals that are negative to the
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area. I mean, we came across this gigantic bird track. It was
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like huge. It was the same size as my hand. I have like
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gigantic hands for them. Okay that begins. Okay, I'm not gonna lie.
28:03
That footprint was like that, the bird track, it was so large.
28:07
I was like, Okay, it had to be in a buzzard or
28:10
something. But it was in the middle of the woods on this back road,
28:14
like under a tree canopy. It was just really odd that this would
28:18
have been there and we found that day before I guess that was yesterday actually,
28:22
But it's important to know. And I was like, man, I
28:23
wish I knew that all the birds that were out here. You know,
28:27
I went home. I forgot to do my research, you know. But
28:32
nonetheless, it's important to know all the animals and to know what their tracks
28:34
their footprints look like before you go out there and do your big footing and
28:37
stuff. Yeah, remember what I told you earlier. If you're going to
28:41
go and do bigfoot research and you're going to research bigfoot habitats, one of
28:45
the most important things to do is to research not bigfoot habitats, right and
28:51
find this place that you know is definitely not there's nothing, no bigfoot living
28:56
there, and go research that batch of woods and see exactly what what a
29:00
natural batchelwoods looks like with no bigfoot species manipulation. Right, get a good
29:06
idea of what it looks like. Go to a couple places, get a
29:08
good idea of what it looks like. Then when you go, when you
29:11
start going into a habitat, you have a better idea of things. Yes,
29:15
don't listen. Don't listen to people. That's right, well, because
29:19
a lot of things that we're going to see are like the bree huts that
29:23
survivalists make and things like that too. But I have a question for you.
29:30
So when when the bigfoots are you know, I'm going to say go
29:33
to sleep? Okay, Like, where when the bigfoots are resting? Where
29:37
do you think they go? Because I know you have explored you have some
29:41
caves in your area where you live, and and a lot of people think
29:44
that bigfoots retire to the caves during the day or the night whenever they're sleeping.
29:48
What do you think about that. I think that they just wherever is
29:55
good for them at that moment. I think that they Okay, so they're
30:02
they're extremely disciplined, right, and their whole there, They've got to be
30:06
able to evade humans right at all costs. Okay, I doubt that they're
30:14
gonna all bundle into a cave unless it has multiple exits, right. I
30:19
think that they literally just right out in the in the open. They find
30:23
a nice thick pine needle bed, and that's where they sleep. The family
30:29
group rests there during the day while the day watchers watch out and make sure
30:33
nobody's coming through so they can rest. And they definitely use caves because the
30:41
one caves that are researched the most. They get real antsy every time you
30:45
go near it, and they broke trees down in front of it to hide
30:48
it from people being able to see it that are walking up or down the
30:52
creek. Right, they broke big trees down in front of the caves so
30:56
you can't see it no more from the creek. But I don't think that
31:00
the cave is like their home. I think they utilize it, but I
31:04
don't think it's their home. So they utilize it. They could be using
31:10
them as tunnel systems and stuff. Spin being Elsa, she says, here
31:15
in o Z, what is Oz where I don't know. Yes, okay,
31:23
I know, I'm we're just saying, okay, maybe it's Ozarks.
31:29
I don't know. Okay, they know their way through mountains and tunnels to
31:32
the other sides of the other mountains and stuff. And my gosh, we
31:34
have so many caverns and caves and and there are like tunnel systems, you
31:38
know, with these mountains. I mean, we can probably there's probably some
31:41
kind of tunnel that goes from where your house in my house down here,
31:44
okay, through the Appalachians. I had a buddy, right, I had
31:47
a buddy his name is Scott, growing up right, and he used there's
31:51
a cave system that goes from Jefferson Heights and Catskill across to the other side
31:56
of Catskill where Quorterskill Road would be up the map and look at it.
32:00
It's a long cave. And he used to go down there all the time,
32:05
used to bring people. They used to go out party and get drunk
32:07
and then go hiking through the caves, climbing, crawling through the caves.
32:10
I guess, oh god, no, that is so dangerous. No,
32:14
I'm not a huge fan. I'm not a fan of cave of caves,
32:17
Okay, Charles, I went to I have investigated one cave and that was
32:22
in Tennessee, and I've talked about it, so dagga much it was.
32:27
It was. It was rather scary, actually it was. It was almost
32:31
like walking into a whole new realm as soon as you went down into this
32:35
cave. And yes, of course we were told there were skin skinwalker activity
32:38
and stuff, but there was bigfoot activity, dog man activity on the property.
32:44
All this stuff was going on there. But we got inside this cave
32:46
and the whole ground I remember, all all of us. It was me
32:50
and a bunch of guys and our friend Pharah, who lives there. We
32:52
put on we all had on our boots, our hiking boots. I had
32:55
on my mut boots. And as you walked in that cave, it was
32:59
so thick of mud. There was no way we would not have seen tracks
33:02
of a bigfoot in that cave. However, there were no tracks, there
33:07
were no footprints. There was nothing in there in that cave. So it
33:12
led us to it. But the chicken feathers from the missing chickens were all
33:15
like the feathers were leading into that cave. But once you got in there,
33:19
they disappeared which led us to believe. Okay, well, either the
33:22
bigfoot was If there was a bigfoot taking the chickens, it was either climbing
33:27
on the walls and going up into the caverns or something, or maybe it
33:31
went through a portal. I don't know. It was my bombing. Honestly,
33:38
I don't mess. I will not go in the kve. I have
33:40
a buddy that does some research with me. His name is Rob, and
33:44
he always wants to go in the caves, and the caves that was behind
33:47
my house, the one that you've seen in the picture of He always wants
33:51
to go in that cave, and I'm always telling him, like, dude,
33:52
this is in my backyard. If we go in their house, they're
33:55
going to come in my house. And I don't like the idea of that.
33:59
So right now I don't I'm a little bit looser. I might let
34:01
him know. Yeah, there it is. That's the cave. Wow.
34:07
Okay, yeah, that that looks like a fun place. Mean, it'd
34:08
be a great place to you know, bug out and stuff if you had
34:13
to. However, you just don't know what's in there. Okay, you
34:16
don't know what's in there? Do you do you think that the bigfoots could
34:19
be utilizing that cave, potentially that one cave right there, they could be
34:27
the babies could be shimmying up in there, right, Okay, Yes,
34:32
for sure something important about it. They get real anty when you go near
34:37
it, and they're trying to hide it. So there's something about it.
34:42
Wow, chances of any human answer we give to it is probably not going
34:45
to be correct exactly exactly. Yeah, well, I'm looking at these pictures.
34:51
I actually have several pictures uploaded here that you sent me, and some
34:54
of them are posted on your Facebook group, and there's there's some that are
34:59
really cool in and I would love to show the audience some of these of
35:01
that's okay, okay, okay, let me take the comments down so we
35:07
can see them. What's going on There's well, there's this, I believe
35:10
it's this one. I want to show the audience the one. It looks
35:15
like a bigfoot peeking around a tree or something. Here. Let's see if
35:17
I can find it. Is it this one? Yeah? That tell me
35:22
about this picture? What's going on here? That was I think like my
35:28
eighth sighting. Yeah, yeah, that's that's more closer to the original.
35:34
It's not so cropped up that one. I knew that they were following me
35:38
all the way out the woods. Yeah, that's back a little bit further.
35:43
Now you could really get a better idea. I can't see the top
35:46
on here, maybe everyone else done, but that one you can get a
35:51
better idea of how big the head was compared to the trees and everything next
35:53
to it. I knew that they were following me all the way out practically
35:59
to the road, when I was leaving the habitat a couple of weeks earlier.
36:05
A couple of weeks before that, me and my nephew were out there
36:08
hiking, And the whole time we were out there, like normally you get
36:12
like one or two sticks thrown at you in like four hours, and on
36:15
this day the sticks were coming like every twenty minutes. And and on the
36:22
way out we we saw like a concrete colored bigfoot behind a tree. I
36:30
got a picture of that as well. And when I seen that one,
36:36
I knew that they were following me out. So that day I could hear
36:37
that one following me, so I knew it was gonna follow me that to
36:42
that bank, right, that Creek bank. Yeah, that's the one I
36:45
got with my son, taking a walk with my son. I could whistle.
36:50
You see, that's a good one. You see the nose, you
36:52
can see the Yeah, that was kind of wreaky. Yeah, if you
37:00
look at the original, that head is about the size of my head.
37:02
So if you want to put it in context as to how big that would
37:06
be, yeah, that would be like me peeking around the tree. But
37:10
the other picture, I knew they were following me out, and I knew
37:13
that would follow me to that creek bank. But I don't really Yeah,
37:16
that one, I don't really know how to use the camera that great,
37:20
So I use auto zoom still and in the amount of time it takes my
37:22
camera to focus, they're moving from wherever I caught a glimpse of them,
37:28
or I thought that they were right, they're hiding before my camera's focusing.
37:34
Clicklick, right, they're going before the click came. So that time,
37:38
I was down in that gully and I turned around and propped my butt up
37:43
against the wall of the other side of the gully, and I hit and
37:46
I started zooming the camera before I even turned around. Luckily, the camera
37:51
did actually focus zoom and caught it, and I saw it for maybe three
37:58
to five seconds afterwards before it actually moved and wasn't there no more if you
38:04
look real close. You know, one thing I want to say about any
38:07
pictures that you show on these uh chances are like me. When they take
38:10
the pictures, you're taking them in ten eighty p. And the moment that
38:15
you put them on Facebook or something like that, I think it's seven forty.
38:19
It goes down to so in all reality, the original pictures, yeah,
38:24
it drops epixelates them, it drops. I'm taking them with my camera
38:30
in ten eighty. The original is ten eighty. That's seven forty. The
38:35
moment that you load something on Facebook, it drops it to seven forty P.
38:39
Okay, that's important to actually point out, Charles, Okay, because
38:45
a lot of people have whenever we're out there, like people, if you
38:47
fumble around and get your camera in time to actually get a picture of one
38:51
of these things, a lot of times they're blurry, Okay, a lot
38:54
of blurry creative pictures of cryptids, and it's maybe they're just moving or whatever,
39:01
but it's almost like they have the ability to blur out their image too,
39:07
and to to have it go down into the pixelation. That's really odd,
39:13
right, yeah, yeah, And you know what, also, you
39:16
got to think of sightings. What three to five seconds long? One to
39:21
be done right? One, two, three, four or five done?
39:27
Right? Did you get your camera out take a really good picture with that?
39:30
Probably not? No, no catching them in motion? They're so fast.
39:35
Can your camera really focus on something moving that fast? Do you got
39:38
the picture of the little gray guy running? Let's see little gray guy.
39:46
I'm not sure if I do or not. Let's see I do. Okay,
39:49
this one, this is kind of cool because I could see the I
39:52
think it's an example of cloaking. Yeah, the cloaking. There's a face
39:55
in the middle of that picture that I could see. Yeah, that's really
39:59
good. And now if you look down in the far the bottom left corner,
40:02
there's one not cloaking. You can see its teeth. You see that,
40:07
I mean, I see the one in the middle. Wait, hold
40:08
on, right here, there's one like right there, there's a face in
40:12
the middle of that picture. That's that's what I see. I was.
40:16
I was so taken aback by that right there. I was like, oh,
40:19
that's cool. Yeah, bottom left side of the picture. Okay,
40:22
is that my side where I am down there. Yeah, I can't set
40:27
everything's backwards over here, y'all. Yeah, that's really cool. This is
40:34
a good advice for anybody that's going to do the research. Get yourself a
40:37
good magnifying glass. Everything that I look at, I look at with the
40:42
magnifying glass. Yes, Okay, when I go through them and I look,
40:46
I look with the magnifying glass. The older I get, the more
40:51
I have to use a magnifying glass. And I am not lying, that's
40:53
for sure, especially when I'm trying to bake or make food. Okay,
40:58
this is a really cool picture too. Okay, there was some eye shine
41:01
in this picture. I can't see it from my computer eye. That's not
41:07
the eye shine. One. Great to the right side of the tree,
41:10
you'll see an individual standing there. You can see the black crew of the
41:15
eyes. Once you get a beat on the eyes, see the nose,
41:17
the face, and actually the head down to the shoulder is actually kind of
41:22
highlighted. Oh, very cool, very cool. I thought that was I
41:25
see. I can't see on my computer and on my phone right now,
41:29
So that's really cool. Though. The other thing is actually an orb.
41:32
Oh an orb. Okay, tell me about orbs. What is your experience
41:36
with orbs and beefoots out in the field. They definitely run. They come
41:40
together when when they would come up on the creek, on the tree line
41:45
on the creek. One of the ways that I would know that they're there,
41:47
which there was a couple of different ways, but one of the ways
41:51
was the orbs flying all around. I've got videos of up to ten orbs
41:54
flying all around. They're coming at me, They're like going through me and
41:58
stuff. I don't know. Oh wow. Yeah, that's like a constant
42:02
that we have out in the field. We always have a lot of orb
42:05
activity and it has to do with any kind of I mean, it's kind
42:08
of with any kind of paranormal activity that we have out there, but particularly
42:13
Bigfoot and I mean I've seen I've seen orbs that flash through the woods and
42:19
then you hear like a growl and a huff that was a bear. I
42:22
think that the orbs are some sort of energy source. I know. I
42:27
know as much. The orbs definitely run hand in hand with the Bigfoot.
42:30
When the Bigfoot would come, the orbs would be there when the Bigfoot wasn't
42:35
there, no orbs, right, So they definitely look together. I think
42:42
that maybe they might be able to put themselves. Maybe that orb is their
42:47
spiritual energy that you're seeing. Maybe that's one of the ways that they're able
42:52
to do all the crazy stuff that they're able to do. I don't know.
42:54
It definitely has something to do with them. Definitely has something to do
42:59
with them. I think so too. Well. It makes it. It
43:04
kind of makes me wonder, like what if these things were able to shape
43:07
shift or something. You know, I've never seen it. I can't say
43:10
that they do, but I'm just you're trying to like wrap your head around
43:15
everything that's going on out there. And once you've been doing it as long
43:17
as you and I have been in this in this game for a while,
43:20
I know you've been out there researching for quite a while. And you know,
43:24
after you're out in the woods as much as you've been, you start
43:28
trying to make you know, you kind of start making these connections like,
43:30
well, what if this is a shape shifter and there's other cryptids out in
43:34
those woods too. It's not just Bigfoot. You have something that's pretty famous
43:40
out there as well. Not not to get off the Bigfoot topic, but
43:45
maybe we will just for a second. You have something that's one of my
43:47
favorite topics. Little people gnomes uh. And there's a famous case. It's
43:53
actually from a book, okay, and I believe that was Washington. Irvin
43:58
wrote a book called Rip van Winkle. Handa, tell me the connection to
44:02
your area in Rip van Winkle, and we'll get into that story briefly.
44:07
Tonight was a Katskillion like myself. We're actually from the same town. He
44:13
lived in the Kiskatan Palinville area, and he was a farmer. And one
44:20
day he hiked up into the mountains and he encountered little people and he took
44:25
a drink from them and fell asleep for seven the years there he is.
44:30
That's a real cartoony. That's not the rip by. Now there you go.
44:37
That's when you when you drive into Palinville, it says Palinville the home
44:43
of Rip van Winkle. I can actually see rips Rock from my front yard.
44:46
I go right out of my porch and I could see rips Rock from
44:50
where my from my house. Now, so you got Rip van Winkle.
44:57
Now you also have Henry Hudson that the Hudson River was named after. He
45:00
docked in Catskill and he hiked up to Cattterskill Falls, And when he got
45:07
up to Catterskill Falls, he encountered little people and they started offering him and
45:13
his men drinks. And the men that took the drinks first started passing out
45:16
into like a coma, and Henry Hudson got the rest of his men together
45:22
and got up out of there. The Catterskill Falls where Henry Hudson wrote about
45:30
in his journal, and Rips Rock where rip Berwinkel supposedly fell asleep, are
45:36
really they're maybe a mile away from each other, and I think they're at
45:39
basically the same elevation. They're in the same area of mountain. They were
45:45
probably a mile away from each other at the same elevation. It's ironic.
45:51
Also, the Catskill Mountains, pretty much all through the nineteen hundreds it was
45:55
a big resort area. And in the Catskill and Carrow area there was all
46:00
these little reasons. Not no more, but there used to be all these
46:04
little resorts. And if you go back and you look out all the vintage
46:08
memorabilia, it's all little people themed, every last bit of it, either
46:15
either ferries, gnomes, puck wedgies, or native little people one or another.
46:20
Also, the indigenous people in this area were Mohegans, right, the
46:27
M'hegans Native Americans lived here. They called the native little people whipple Wills because
46:35
of their usage of the Whipple willow, and the local campground and caro is
46:39
called Whipple will Campsite, named after the indigenous little people of the Catskill Mountains.
46:45
No way, but like I said, if I was little people,
46:51
I would not go back. Okay. Oh you told me that before the
46:54
show started tonight. Okay, So so we were we were kind of joking
46:59
around before we went life tonight about how, uh, you are actually more
47:02
worried about the little people than you would be the Sasquatch and the bigfoots out
47:07
there, uh, because they're just mist of us and uh and it's almost
47:12
like unpredictable. And I'm saying Sasquatch is predictable. Yeah, And I'm not
47:20
trying to do the next guy to fall asleep for seven years, I know.
47:23
Okay, So the story behind that is this the rip van Wakle.
47:27
His his wife was being a little bit naggy. She was not being very
47:30
nice. Uh, and she was she was fussing to him. I don't
47:35
know, maybe he had a drinking problem. I don't sounds like it,
47:37
okay, but uh, but she but he he got he and his dog
47:40
went for a walk to go out into the mountains. He up to where
47:45
that area is right by where you you research and stuff, and uh,
47:49
and he met a man that had a keg of beer or some some kind
47:53
of intoxicating substence and uh and him and his dog and I think they were
47:59
met by a aparently was a bunch of little people like nomes. They don't,
48:02
they didn't say that in some of the stories. They just say it
48:05
was men wearing Dutch outfits, is what it said. But yeah, he
48:09
ended up drinking this liquid and he woke up what you said twenty years later?
48:15
How many years later? Charles seventy years later? Seventy good gosh,
48:20
seven years later with a long beard. He It makes me wonder like if
48:24
this was based on a true story, well, which I'm learning a lot
48:29
of mythological stories I think might have actually been real to some extent some of
48:34
them. Yeah, Yeah, it was probably some sort of real part of
48:37
the story, and it probably grew over the years. Maybe he just went
48:43
up there and saw little people and left his wife because she was annoying and
48:45
dipped off and didn't come back. Seventy years later he popped buck up,
48:50
like, hey, I fell asleep on the mountain. He was living his
48:53
best life with the nomes, is what he was doing. Probably who knows,
48:58
who knowmes, I'm just kidding. That's terrible. Yeah, that's cool
49:02
to see you a little person, right, obviously, that would be cool,
49:06
right, I'm a cryptid researcher. So but man, just I do
49:12
a lot of studying, and through that studying, almost all Native American cultures
49:19
say, if you encounter a sasquatch, don't disrespect it, don't bother it.
49:23
It won't bother you to encounter little people, apologize forever being there,
49:29
and get up out of there immediately, you know. And it's almost universal
49:34
throughout all Native American legend, right, And I just think that they're dangerous,
49:39
And I don't know. Maybe if I were to pick right, I
49:44
would say, maybe the little native ones wouldn't be so scary, but like
49:46
a puck leggie or a gnome or a fairy would probably really bug me out.
49:53
I'll probably go running right on down the mountain. I'm with you.
49:58
I'd rather see a big foot. I think, I think I would.
50:01
I have not yet seen one, but yeah, I don't know. Well,
50:07
okay, so well it kind of put Okay, let's put this out
50:10
there. If that weren't based on a true story of some sort or at
50:15
least part of it. I mean, could that guy have like walked through
50:17
a portal? I mean, we've got the we've got the missing Okay,
50:22
he's missing time of decades, almost a century of missing time there. Okay,
50:28
that's seventy seven decades missing. And I mean we talked about time edits,
50:34
time jumps, time loops, time travel. Okay, we talked about
50:37
all that stuff and portals. Something definitely happened, that's my belief. Something
50:44
definitely happened, right, probably not just the whole story that you get today,
50:49
but somewhere in there was the beginning of the story. Something definitely happened.
50:53
He probably encountered little people. It probably started off as whipped them winkled
50:58
a crazy man that says there's little people up in the woods and a probably
51:00
group from there. Someone them lines, right, that's how it goes,
51:05
tell history goes. It's exactly well. I think I think there's a little
51:08
bit of truth and a lot of these mythological tales that we're told. And
51:14
also there's a lesson in it. And I guess the lesson is, don't
51:15
go drinking with the nomies. Okay, with your homies with the nomies,
51:22
Yeah, chilling with my gnomies. Don't go drinking with the nomies. Okay,
51:27
Yeah, that's that's great. But it's right there, you know,
51:30
in the middle of all this. And I only thought there's people in the
51:34
chat saying I just thought that was a tall tale. Well, me too.
51:37
But you know, a lot of these things that we're studying now it
51:40
seems as though there they got some truth behind them. So you know,
51:45
well, I mean, if you look at Disney, right, if you
51:47
look at Disney and you look at a lot of their movies, it's you
51:53
start doing cryptid research. Right, Bigfoot is encrypted. It's impossible to not
52:00
end up at another cryptids such as little People or dog Man or one or
52:05
the other right, or other things, right, giants, mountain giants.
52:09
Right, it's hard to not end up at one of these other things.
52:14
And it's always a cartoon, right, A cartoon about a giant, a
52:17
cartoon about an igor, a cartoon about fairies, firm gully I'm starting to
52:24
believe ferm Gully is a real, a real thing, right, Like my
52:29
sister used to watch that growing up, fern Gully And there probably is whole
52:34
little villages that exist in the bush out back right right, that's firm Gully.
52:47
In the fairies, right, tinker Belt, what's tinker Bell a fairy?
52:52
Right? Little? Do we know fairies are dangerous? Yeah? Just
52:57
slightly? Yeah. Well, even like Miana, you know they've got that.
53:01
You know, you and I both have kids, so that's why we're
53:04
we know these movies, Okay, we know these Disney movies and uh,
53:07
and so even in Milana they've got like the Sleeping Woman who's like an island.
53:10
And now today, like I'm doing all this research and stuff on these
53:15
sleeping Titans. Okay, like the mountains might have been people back in the
53:21
day. So it's almost like they're showing that in the movie. Uh,
53:23
Foxy Joe, thank you so much for that supersticker. We appreciate you here
53:27
at Space out Radio. Thank you for that. I want to start researching
53:30
like up in the mountains more. Uh. It's such a hike. It's
53:36
hard to go on a ten mile hike to do research. When you can
53:39
go on a ten minute hike and do research. Right, Yes, well,
53:44
I'm sure there's just absolutely amazing stuff up in those mountains. Like I
53:50
was saying before, the mountain, the Catskill Mountains is a huge mountain range,
53:52
right, huge. And I've gotten reports of thunderbirds, right, I've
53:58
gotten two reports of underbirds. I get at least one bigfoot report a month
54:04
through my Facebook group. I've gotten one dog man report. Right. Uh,
54:10
it's I don't doubt what anybody said this. I mean, I see
54:15
bigfoot, they come and visit me right at my house. I don't tell
54:20
what anybody says anymore. Exactly a thunderbird, I believe it said. It
54:24
was more down towards like mon talk or whatever, down towards that way,
54:29
right where the hell do they live? That's where I did some Bigfoot research
54:35
with Long Island Bigfoot Mike is in the chat by the way, he said,
54:37
y'all, y'all are gonna have to do some research together. I was
54:40
up there with him and a bunch of people that were actually Montalk survivors from
54:45
that program, but him. Okay, So Long Island Bigfoot Mike and Brian
54:50
from Montalk is Strange on YouTube and Michael Roser from Dark Hour Paranormal. We
54:54
were up there doing some big footing together and and there are bigfoot. It's
55:00
on Long Island, New York. Absolutely super. My mom moved to Kingston,
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right, We all had to move from where we were living, and
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my mom ended up moving to Kingston. And Kingston's like a little city.
55:13
And she lives like right off the river in Kingston. And where she lives,
55:19
if you go three blocks over, it's woods and bridges and right she
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lives right off the river, like three blocks from the woods and stuff.
55:29
And she's swore to God that she heard whoops the other night, like heard
55:34
what she thought was whoops coming from that away where the woods be. And
55:40
I don't doubt it, because they really my mom had like this crazy relationship
55:45
with them. They probably are. She's searching her out over there, whatever
55:50
group is over there. I think that you become imprinted imprinted. I guess
55:53
it's just that's the way I used to explain it. If you ever watched
55:58
the Twilight series, Right, you never watched Twilight series? Oh yeah,
56:01
team was it? Jacob? Jacob? You know how you knoww the Werewolf's
56:06
imprint right, and Draco and that that the werewolf. Yeah I like him.
56:12
Yes, I think that, yeah, yeah, I think they imprint
56:16
on you. And then I think all bigfoot can see it. It's weird.
56:20
It's like, once you become habituated with a big foot or a bigfoot
56:24
group, you can go anywhere and they will come to you. Right.
56:29
You don't even really have to search them out no more. You just have
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to search out their habitats. They'll come to you once you become habituated.
56:35
It's really strange. It's also that frequency too, right, don't you.
56:39
Uh, It's like that when you're on that frequency, it's like you're always
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on that frequency. In my opinion, once you once you made that contact
56:47
with them, So I think I don't know. This is fascinating. Charles.
56:51
Oh my gosh, we have actually come to the end of the hour,
56:53
and and you and I could talk all night about this stuff. Okay,
56:57
we really could, And so please will you promise me you'll come back
57:00
and hang out with me again here at Space Out Radio? Please? Absolutely?
57:05
Okay, thank you to tell the audience where they can find you.
57:08
Tell everybody about your Facebook page and your YouTube channel. Please, Oh,
57:14
and thank you Jennifer Patterson. I'm sorry, thank you for that supersticker,
57:16
Jennifer. I appreciate you so much. Group called Catskill Mountain Bigfoot, and
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that's probably the most of my researches on. I do have a YouTube channel
57:30
though, that has a lot of good videos on it as well, but
57:36
there's no pictures, so you know, there's more stuff on the Facebook group.
57:42
And I'm going to start a YouTube channel podcast and I'm going to try
57:46
to do my thing. I think at the very least, I can put
57:50
out one of the most informational podcasts out there. Right if you were to
57:55
watch it, you'd be able to go do some bigfoot and on your own,
57:58
that's for sure for sure. I mean, hey, asked me to
58:04
come on your show. Sometimes we'll do it. We'll do some collapse,
58:07
okay, because that would be freaking awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
58:10
I mean on the Facebook group until I get and able to put it.
58:17
I do have the videos on a chip, but until I'm able to get
58:22
access to an actual computer to plug the chip in to log this stuff onto
58:27
the YouTube channel. On the Facebook pages, if you go down to the
58:30
bottom and you'll see a chunk of videos way down at the bottom. Probably
58:35
the first chunk of videos. In that chunk of videos is those big Foot
58:39
vocalizations. They're doing their little clicking language, little frog clicking language. And
58:45
there's amazing tree knocks. If you want to know what a tree knock sounds
58:47
like, go on over there and check it out. I've never heard any
58:52
of that good anywhere else. It's fascinating. You have the best Facebook channel
58:58
or the Facebook group with all of all of your evidence, all of your
59:02
explorations, all of your exponition, everything you're doing out there. You document
59:06
it so well and you're just a wealth of knowledge. Charles, So thank
59:09
you so much for being here. You guys, please go go subscribe.
59:14
Just can't scale Mountain big Foot on YouTube, and as soon as you get
59:16
another if you get another channel going, I'll send everybody over to you channel
59:20
here too from it's based out radio. Charles, thank you so much for
59:23
being here. Man. This has been so fun, and I know the
59:25
audience really enjoyed this tonight, So thank you. Please come back and see
59:29
me soon, you promise, definitely definitely. Okay, awesome, Charles,
59:34
have a great night, okay. Well, and you'd be safe out there,
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okay. Maybe I'll see in the wood sometime. Okay, all right,
59:40
seeya, all right, y'all. Wow, what a fantastic show tonight.
59:45
That was so fun. Okay, you guys, please don't forget that.
59:47
Right after this show, we've got after hours getting ready to start in
59:51
about ten seconds over there, you guys, please come see me on my
59:54
channel this week, The Crypton Huntress on YouTube. I'm gonna have my next
59:59
show so Wednesday at one pm Eastern, and I got Thursday night at eight
1:00:04
pm Eastern, and then i'll be back here again next weekend. You guys,
1:00:07
have a wonderful week. Keep your heads on swivels, y'all, and
1:00:10
have a wonderful week. And yeah, stay safe. I'll see y'all.
1:00:15
Say bye, y'all.