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The New Pete Rose Rule + State of Reds Offense w/C. Trent Rosecrans · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's not going to be the writer's fault, and it
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  Speaker 1: never has been the writer's fault that Pete wasn't in.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, I think Pete would have a better chance
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  Speaker 1: with the writers than with the Veterans Committee. I'm trying.
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  Speaker 2: Rose Grants joining us right now covers the reds for
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  Speaker 2: the athletic Sea trend. Is it true that it's Pete
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  Speaker 2: Rose Knight at the ballpark this evening?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is May fourteenth, the fourteenth, of course, it
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  Speaker 1: was the loan fourteenth home game or home game on
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  Speaker 1: the fourteenth of the month anywhere so in the red schedule.
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  Speaker 1: So they announced this and I think it was October
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  Speaker 1: shortly after Pete died, so it's been it's been on
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  Speaker 1: the calendar for quite a while.
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  Speaker 3: Did they make a bet on it? I'm sorry too,
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  Speaker 3: sure somebody did. That's not illegal anymore serious for me? Well,
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  Speaker 3: it's not illegal, but it is. I will get fired
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  Speaker 3: if I do it. So you know, you get a
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  Speaker 3: slap on the hand ower when you pass away, then
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  Speaker 3: you can get your frick award.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: It's no longer the frick Award. We took the name away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the uh I forget what it's called, but I
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  Speaker 1: named it when I was president that year. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a whole different story. So no, it is certainly
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  Speaker 1: not that would not be it not for excellence for
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  Speaker 1: other things maybe, who knows.
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  Speaker 2: So what I want to get to the juice. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's start right at the top. You see the announcement
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  Speaker 2: and the flip flop from Commissioner Manfred who now says
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  Speaker 2: that once you die, you're off of the permanently ineligible list,
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  Speaker 2: And you think what.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Oh, that's a good lawyer loophole that the
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  Speaker 1: uh you know it is. It's not. He's not exonerated anyone, right,
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  Speaker 1: nobody has been uh exonerated or anything what they have.
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  Speaker 1: He's clarified the language. This is what lawyers do. You
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  Speaker 1: clarify the language. It's like permanently and eligible. Well, what
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  Speaker 1: does permanent mean? You know, colloquially it's always been called
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  Speaker 1: a lifetime ban. Well, then who's lifetime? Mine?
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  Speaker 3: His?
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  Speaker 1: The commissioners who's? And so that is a clarification. And
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  Speaker 1: to me it just seems like Major League Baseball saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're sick of you complaining to us about this and
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  Speaker 1: blaming us. Go blame the Hall of Fame. It's on
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  Speaker 1: their table now because quite honestly, thirty five years ago,
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  Speaker 1: that's what the Hall of Fame did. The Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame kicked the can down the curb by saying, oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want Pete on the writer's ballot. We will
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  Speaker 1: make a new role rule in nineteen ninety that if
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  Speaker 1: you are on the permanently ineligible list, you're not eligible
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  Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame. So that was
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  Speaker 1: their way around. So for thirty five years people have
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  Speaker 1: been blaming Major League Baseball. I guess Rob Manford got
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  Speaker 1: sick of that, and he's gonna say, hey, blame the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and the Hall of Fame is gonna say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to give him a shot in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years because we're not going to make anything special
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  Speaker 1: for this guy. We're just gonna let it go through
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  Speaker 1: this and then they will have their process, which is
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  Speaker 1: the Veterans Committee, and they are in charge of who
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  Speaker 1: is on that committee. Right, so you know, if you can,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to figure out how sixteen people
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  Speaker 1: are going to vote than four hundred because.
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  Speaker 3: The Reds really haven't been to that many playoffs recently.
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  Speaker 3: This is probably the biggest Reds topic in general. What
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  Speaker 3: are the boots on the ground. What are fans in
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati feeling about this? Not just based on this decision,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it just came down yesterday, but in general,
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  Speaker 3: do Reds fans say ninety percent of them say we're
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  Speaker 3: letting them in? Or are they more like the Ft
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  Speaker 3: fans where fifty percent say we should let them in?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's never been a question inside
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  Speaker 1: the two seventy five loop that that if you if
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  Speaker 1: you did a like a phone poll of anyone with
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  Speaker 1: a five to one three area code, you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent saying this. You do have
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  Speaker 1: others who have excellent points, But yeah, I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion here. And I don't believe that it's
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  Speaker 1: accurate that, oh, this just clears the way for him
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  Speaker 1: to go to the Hall of Fame. I just think
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  Speaker 1: it's a different way to to to like pick the
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  Speaker 1: can down the curb and blame someone else and shift blame.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe I've big to cneical, like why would baseball
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  Speaker 1: give us any reason to be cinical? Never?
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  Speaker 3: They would never, especially the Commissioner's office.
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  Speaker 4: It would never do anything like that to make things
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  Speaker 4: weird or than they already are. But hey, whatever, he's
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  Speaker 4: back in some capacity. Let's just say that he's back
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  Speaker 4: and so. And by the way, someone a buddy of mine,
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  Speaker 4: we just saw Ray FOSSi get run over by him
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  Speaker 4: and a buddy of mine who's from Cincinnati. When he
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  Speaker 4: texted me, Pete Roses back in and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: whoop be He's like, you're lucky, Ray Fat.
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  Speaker 3: You weren't to catch in the All Star Game. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, am I lucky? Or is Pete lucky?
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  Speaker 3: Because I was a little bigger than Roy Fossey. But
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  Speaker 3: we would have fun with it anyway. Let's get Let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about something else a little more positive.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Red Steams. I've been playing a
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  Speaker 1: little bit a little better.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they have been played a little bit better, but
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  Speaker 3: the White.
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  Speaker 4: Sox would take him out behind the Look, the White
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  Speaker 4: Sox did take him out behind the woodshed last night,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, the White Socks are hot, so can't
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  Speaker 4: blame him for that.
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  Speaker 3: But where's the offense, John, That's what I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: The pitching has been great, but we're the hexs. The offense, well,
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  Speaker 1: they've been shut out seven times, only the Pirlots more
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  Speaker 1: or I think the Pirates have as many the same
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  Speaker 1: day league. Yeah, it's it's just been, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it has been kind of these things. Matt
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  Speaker 1: McLean has not kind of gotten back to where I
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  Speaker 1: think he will be eventually, but he's not there right now.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Spencer Steer coming off that shoulder injury, I
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  Speaker 1: think he's been much better since uh he's gotten in
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  Speaker 1: the field. He dhing just did not suit him, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's he's in a much better place now.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then Ellie de la Cruz has been
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  Speaker 1: probably their best hitter. When Austin Hayes is on the field,
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  Speaker 1: he's been very good. But it's just it's just not
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  Speaker 1: been consistent. And that's that happens in baseball a lot.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there'll be days where they explode. We've seen
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those, you know, but even the day
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  Speaker 1: that they score ten runs in the first, that's a
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  Speaker 1: that's a closer game a little bit later when they
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  Speaker 1: give up six. So it is it is a concern,
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  Speaker 1: and that was kind of the question coming into this
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  Speaker 1: season though, was like, Okay, where's the offense going to
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  Speaker 1: be and how much can you count on it? And
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  Speaker 1: and you haven't been able to count on it yet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, what about the pitching?
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  Speaker 3: Is this going to be a is a great American
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  Speaker 3: small park now going to be a pitchers haven because
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  Speaker 3: of what Derek Johnson and okay, okay, I'll stop there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, DJ, and DJ is
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  Speaker 1: gonna get the most out of anybody. I mean, DJ
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  Speaker 1: is as good as there is in the game. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't exactly walk on water. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of water outside right now. It's been raining NonStop
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  Speaker 1: and we've had a lot of rain delays this year,
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  Speaker 1: even more than usual. But you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: been just good pitchers. You look at Hunter Green as
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  Speaker 1: just before he got hurt, like it seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: taken that next step from all star to say young ish,
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  Speaker 1: And again it's easy to forget that Hunter Green is
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  Speaker 1: still twenty five years old and because of the way
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  Speaker 1: his kind of unique situation coming up, the majority of
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  Speaker 1: his pitches in his life, competitive pitches in his life
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  Speaker 1: have been in the big leagues, and that's not an
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  Speaker 1: easy thing to do. And he's kind of finally getting
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  Speaker 1: to that point where he has that experience, that confidence
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  Speaker 1: and all that that is coming together and hopefully this
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  Speaker 1: injury that currently has him on the aisle isn't a
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  Speaker 1: long one because he's a joy to watch pitch. He's
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  Speaker 1: been much more you know, focused, and it's it's been
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  Speaker 1: throwing strikes and unafraid and he's learned that, oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: I throw one hundred miles an hour, that's probably good
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  Speaker 1: if it's in the zone. Yeah, so what good luck?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's been a really good change for him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are catchers, you know, just like
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  Speaker 1: throw it over the plate. See what happens when of
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  Speaker 1: the stuff's that good? So there is that stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Nicolodolo is the consistency is a thing, but man, his
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  Speaker 1: stuff is great. You know. Brady Singer has been a
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  Speaker 1: good addition, exactly what they wanted. A guy who that
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  Speaker 1: you can count on going every five days. Nick Martinez
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  Speaker 1: is a pro. Andrew Abbott is one of those guys
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  Speaker 1: that is a throwback. I mean you look at him
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  Speaker 1: and you could see him hanging out on the rooftop
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  Speaker 1: with Tom Browning, with a heater. I mean, both those guys,
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  Speaker 1: you could definitely see it. He's kind of the second
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  Speaker 1: coming of Browning in a lot of ways. So they
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  Speaker 1: have been pitching Brett Louder on the way and Chase
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  Speaker 1: Burns on the way. Chase Byrne, Wow, he's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they've got some pitching and it's just finding
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  Speaker 1: the offense, which is kind of weird. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: either one of you had that ever on any of
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  Speaker 1: your scouting reports coming into Great America Ballpark.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was always a couple homers when we're in
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  Speaker 4: the small park. But Gavin Lucks, Gavin lux has been
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  Speaker 4: kind of a positive for the for the Reds. Was
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  Speaker 4: it just a change of scenery for him that he
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  Speaker 4: needed to get out from that Dodger shadow and he
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  Speaker 4: kind of can become his own person in the year
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  Speaker 4: in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's as much the health as anything. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: once he kind of got through that first half last year,
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  Speaker 1: you look at the second half and that's when he's
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  Speaker 1: got his legs under him, and you have to have
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  Speaker 1: your legs under you. And once he got that last year,
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  Speaker 1: he was he was really good. And you know, Gavin
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  Speaker 1: Lucks is gonna put the bat on the ball. I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of believe that if he's healthy and he's
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  Speaker 1: on the field, he's gonna put the bat on the ball,
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  Speaker 1: and good things are going to happen. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: a it was a really good addition. You know. Defensively
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  Speaker 1: is the question. And they've had some things where they've
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  Speaker 1: had to move some people around and they don't exactly
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  Speaker 1: have the outfield that you you would want, but that
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  Speaker 1: you could certainly upgrade some of the outfielders. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's there are some pieces there. It's a long season.
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  Speaker 1: It's I you know, you see some hot some of
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  Speaker 1: the teams in this division go hot and cold. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see anybody running away with this division.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna swing back to the topic of
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  Speaker 2: the day. I still had a couple more for you.
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  Speaker 1: See, Trent. So no, I'm want to go back to
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  Speaker 1: beat Rose.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I want because you're in Cincinnati, right, we saw you.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go at the start of the season.
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  Speaker 2: I want the pulse in Cincinnati after this announcement is made,
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  Speaker 2: because for Reds fans and for really almost any sports fan,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have bias towards your team, towards your
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  Speaker 2: favorite players. So what is the pulse of the city
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  Speaker 2: after an announcement like this?
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  Speaker 1: It's joyous. I mean I spent my morning and afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: early afternoon at this was already planned because they had
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  Speaker 1: played this Pete Rose Day, but it what is was
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  Speaker 1: Boldface Park is now Pete Rose Park, kind of the
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  Speaker 1: park that Pete grew up playing on. And really I
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  Speaker 1: drove from my place out there. It is basically four
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  Speaker 1: to four and a half miles from Great American Ballpark
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  Speaker 1: and then it's like, breathe, three and a half miles
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  Speaker 1: to Pete's childhood home. And so on my way out
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  Speaker 1: there this morning, I drove by Pete's home. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why, I just did. And then I was turned around.
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of looked and I was like, cup,
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  Speaker 1: there it is. Look, it's big Ben Parliament. Turned around,
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  Speaker 1: pulled into the one of the local convenience stores UDF,
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  Speaker 1: and it's hilarious. Pull in to get a coke and
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  Speaker 1: I look up in the fountains. It's like, get your
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  Speaker 1: big red machine commemorative cup and Pete Rose is still
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  Speaker 1: on the outside. And that's how they're selling stuff is
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose. He is a beloved figure in this town.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot uh, you can't. You know, it goes beyond
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  Speaker 1: playing for the Cincinnati Reds. He is from Cincinnati, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, he went to West High He is Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: threw and through did did commercials for gold Star Chili.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so like this is there's there's nothing quite like
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  Speaker 1: it that that I've experienced in my life, and I've
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  Speaker 1: lived all over the place. The dedication in this city
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  Speaker 1: and the reverence for Pete Rose is unmatched. Talked to
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose Junior, who uh you guys? Yeah, ah, do
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  Speaker 1: you know him from your White Sox time I played
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  Speaker 1: against him? He was, I was with the Toys.
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  Speaker 3: He he was like thirty two in triple or aball Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: he was in South Bend. He was like thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was a coach in the and the
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  Speaker 1: White Sox system there for a while. And but he lives.
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  Speaker 1: He lives a couple of miles down the road. He
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  Speaker 1: still lives in town. It is. It's it's one of
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  Speaker 1: those things that's just he is a huge part of
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  Speaker 1: this city. He just can't go anywhere. I was on
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  Speaker 1: Fourteenth Street and there's a mural of Pete Rose on
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  Speaker 1: fourteen on a building on the side of fourteenth Street
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  Speaker 1: down in over the Rhyine area of the town. He's
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  Speaker 1: just everywhere. There's the statue out front that I saw
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people at yesterday that I went, what
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  Speaker 1: was the day that he died?
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  Speaker 5: There?
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  Speaker 1: It is it is, It's just I can't explain it.
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  Speaker 1: And I've lived all over the world and I've seen
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  Speaker 1: nothing like it.
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  Speaker 2: So I was there on opening day. It's around when
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  Speaker 2: I saw you, and they did a moment of silence
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  Speaker 2: for him, and it was probably the biggest moment of
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  Speaker 2: the day. Right, It's the part that I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fans were looking forward to. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: got to converse obviously with people around Cincinnati, and it's
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  Speaker 2: why I ask in and I think it's why it's
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  Speaker 2: super timely to have you on during a time like this,
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  Speaker 2: because let's also be real, Yeah, he's you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati's son. He's been there, he was there for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. He's a legendary ballplayer. It's also not the
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  Speaker 2: perfect role model by any means. So how do you
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  Speaker 2: think fans were receiving the entire process up to this
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  Speaker 2: point with the way that Major League Baseball handled things,
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  Speaker 2: because we all of a sudden had this flip flop
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  Speaker 2: several weeks after the president, who's a big Pete Rose fan,
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  Speaker 2: meets with Commissioner Manfred Let's do some math here. Do
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  Speaker 2: you think that Red's fans have any I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to say regret or maybe it's frustrating.
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  Speaker 3: Earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think most people are are disappointed that Pete
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to see this, that Pete wasn't there for that.
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  Speaker 1: But that is kind of like that is the bigger point.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at the wording, it wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: happened if they would have announced it a year ago. Right,
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  Speaker 1: They could have announced this clarification a year ago before
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  Speaker 1: he passed, and that probably would have been more cruel,
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  Speaker 1: quite honestly, but it is. I think there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you have like an ex girlfriend and something happened
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  Speaker 1: and you know it's over and you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: litigate it again, but you're always going to hold it
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  Speaker 1: against that person. That's kind of where we are. These
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  Speaker 1: are matters of the heart, and I think the people
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  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, the baseball fans for the majority of Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: and Pete Rose fans aren't going to be happy about
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  Speaker 1: anything that happens because it didn't happen when Pete was alive,
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  Speaker 1: and it didn't happen on you know, when everybody expected
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  Speaker 1: it to in the summer in nineteen ninety one. And
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  Speaker 1: that's that's just kind of how it is, and it's
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing that can be done to change the past,
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  Speaker 1: and people are still upset. I heard it today like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: why couldn't have they done this earlier? And they should
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: have And now he's going into the hall, but he
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: won't be here and he won't be here for this dedication.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: But that's not exactly the story, you know, like that's
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: not the truth because he was never going to be
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: allowed in while he was alive. It was just a
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: clarification of your band expires when you do.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of political pressure on this too, though,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: that's oo.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I mean jan Jade Vance, who's big in Cincinnati right
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: j is the vice president now has said things, Yes,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Trump drive by his place and his brother just got crushed.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like there was political things and and and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I would be I think it'd be naive to think
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that that didn't play any part in this because the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: world was politics and this is big business as well,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and this is very involved in big business. Major League
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Baseball is a pretty large business, and you have even
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: larger businessmen involved in Major League Baseball. So so that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: is I I believe that was part of it. Vun
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: rose that she met with Commissioner Manfred in December and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: she was actually like sincerely, uh like a complimentary of
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Commissioner Manfred and how he handled it with her and
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: how he approached it, which I found very interesting because
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just a simple platitude. It seemed genuine when
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: when Fawn spoke Pete's oldest child, his daughter, and so
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it was that was this morning, and so I think
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: there was some help there for the family, but for
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati now and this like honestly, like
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you know, President Trump said something about pardoning him and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: that would have nothing to do with any of this.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It's just political theater. Wait, what happened to Ja d
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Vance's brother. You said he got crushed. He was well
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: by the by the by the the current mayor, and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it was a primary. He'll still get crushed again in
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: November because it was a primary where the top two
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of three candidates go on, and I think Mayor Perval,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: who was not at the thing today. The vice mayor
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: was there also interesting, eight eighty three percent voted for
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: mayor peer of all, I think it was thirteen for
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: his brother who is running. But I think you know
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you can get my political things there. He has no shot.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: This is a like a fairly democratic Hamilton County is
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: fairly solidly democratic leading and so yeah, he's just using
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: this as probably. I'm sure he'll run for a larger
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: state office at some point.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Last one for me is this the Pete Rose rule. Now,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: if you're permanently kicked out from the game, you now
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: are back in the mix once you die. So if
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: anyone does something wrong in baseball that gets them kicked
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: out forever, forever actually means just until you pass, and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: then you could be voted into the Hall of Fame
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: or whatever else I guess there is for being on Elson.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's that's pretty much, and it will be
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: colloquially known as the Pete Rose rule, even if it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: also applies to the eight band. By kinnessall mountain landis
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the White Sox because they have well obviously passed so
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that is that's gonna be it. But it also it
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: skips the writers. The writers will not have a chance,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and that's fine by me. I mean I don't I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: don't care. But it's again speaking of people like saying, hey,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: not my fault. That's not gonna be the writer's fault.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And it never has been the writer's fault that Pete
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't in. And honestly, I think Pete would have a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: better chance with the writers than with the Veterans Committee.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Would you have voted for him, That's all I want.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Would you have voted for him if he was put
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: on the ballot.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had twenty one hundred and fifty four hits.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I vote for for I voted for Barry Bonds.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I quite honestly, I vote for Manny Ramirez in part
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: because of Pete Rose. If if because honestly, like Pete
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Rose served as time we don't believe in it is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: at least legally in the legal sense, and I would
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: vote for You know what man Or Ramierre served this time,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm fine. All I know is what happened on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the field. You guys probably know both of you faced
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: many pictures who were never found out who were probably
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: using performance enhancing drugs. How many of you know, say,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: let's go to Rafael Palmiro, because that's a guy who
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: did test positive. Like, we don't know how many of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: his home runs we're against pitchers using So was it
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: an even field? I don't know. All I know is
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: what happened on the field. Bajor League Baseball has never
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: said that those games didn't count or didn't happen are
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: part of the record book. So my general feeling when
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I vote for the Hall of Fame is that I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: vote for what happened on the field because that's all
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I know and all I am judging.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's consistent.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Respect I respect that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's consistent.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I respect that. That's cool.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, it's it's a line where
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: if you do something once the testing was and you
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: broke those rules, that's a different story.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: If you did them before.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And I understand that really as afore as a player,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: it's somebody that played in the heart. I mean I
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: was in the middle of it and then I was
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: in the middle of after, right, So to me, if
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you did it after the two thousand and five when
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: they started testing, that's a different yea, you knowingly broke
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the rules before that. You might have broken the unwritten
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: rules that nobody talked about and nobody knew, but it wasn't.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: It wasn't. And they also elected all the enablers. You know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: there are people in the game who enabled it. When
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you're talking about managers, executives, commissioners, that there in the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame too. So right am I? Am I wrong? No,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you're right, no doubt.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. Good combo, Trent, thanks for joining us.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: We'll catch it soon. Enjoy Pete Rose Knight at the ballpark.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: The White Socks, the White Sox to in a row
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and you got the Pope on your side. That's right,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we can't. And aj Pierzinski, I mean, how do you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: get a higher trio than Obama, the Pope and Pierce
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: in Ski right, the three piece, it's.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: The dream team thanks to your head and talks.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: To you, Friz Pierceski. Yeah,