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Reacting to SERIAL KILLER: Shawn Grate | Case Analysis · True Crime Reactions

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  Speaker 1: Imagine committing a string of really heinous crimes over eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Years, right over decade, Yeah, a.
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  Speaker 1: Full eleven years. And your greatest asset isn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a brilliant disguise or some kind of forensic mastery.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's something much darker on it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Your greatest asset is that the police literally don't
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  Speaker 1: believe your victims are missing.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just terrifying to even say out.
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  Speaker 1: Loud, it really is. So today we are looking at
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  Speaker 1: the terrifying reality of the Sean Great case, which is
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  Speaker 1: a timeline of just absolute horror that ran unchecked in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio from two thousand and five all the way to
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the deep dive.
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  Speaker 1: We are thrilled you are joining us today because we
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  Speaker 1: are unpacking a very specific and very complex cultural artifact.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what blew my mind about this story isn't
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  Speaker 2: just the mechanics of the crimes themselves, you know, right right,
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  Speaker 2: It's how I found out about it and how millions
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  Speaker 2: of other people found out about it too. Exactly, we
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  Speaker 2: are looking at the digital footprint, the metadata, and the
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  Speaker 2: show notes of a thirty four minute audio track. It
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  Speaker 2: was released by the Audio check network on January twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: And it's titled serial Killer Sean Great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we are going to explore both the grim
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  Speaker 2: reality of those eleven years in Ohio and the fascinating,
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  Speaker 2: almost paradoxical way that this localized trauma has been packaged
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  Speaker 2: for a global audience.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this. Let's start with the timeline,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, this is the part that completely stops
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  Speaker 1: you in your track.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: According to our source material, Sean Great operated in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: between twenty five and twenty sixteen, eleven years. Yeah, eleven years.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about how much the world changed in that time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, massively.
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  Speaker 1: We went from flip phones to ubiquitous smartphone.
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  Speaker 2: Right, everyone having a computer in their box exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We entered an era of constant digital surveillance, social media,
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  Speaker 1: check ins, GPS tracking everywhere we go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, became really hard to hide.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yet the text explicitly states police had absolutely no
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  Speaker 1: idea this was happening. And the reason they had no
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  Speaker 1: idea because he was taking women that the authorities and
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  Speaker 1: this is a quote didn't even consider missing.
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  Speaker 2: That phrase should haunt anyone who assumes you know that
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  Speaker 2: the justice system acts as some kind of universal safety net.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really shakes your faith in the system.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't even consider missing. I mean, it forces us to
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  Speaker 2: confront a very uncomfortable mechanical failure in how our society operates.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, if we look at the systemic why behind this.
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  Speaker 2: The source points heavily to the phrase vulnerable women.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that.
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  Speaker 2: And that descriptor it's basically the key to understanding an
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  Speaker 2: entire decade of invisibility.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I want to push back on that word vulnerable, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because usually when people hear that word, they think of
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  Speaker 1: physical vulnerability, right.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone smaller or.
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  Speaker 1: Weaker exactly, someone unable to fight back physically. But in
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  Speaker 1: this context, it feels like it implies a structural vulnerability instead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good point, right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, how does a person and just vanish in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight or twenty twelve without an alarm bell
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  Speaker 1: ringing somewhere?
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  Speaker 2: Structural vulnerability is definitely much better way to frame it.
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  Speaker 2: To vanish without a trace in the modern era, Well,
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  Speaker 2: it requires a specific set of sociological circumstances. When criminologists
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  Speaker 2: talk about this, they're often referring to marginalized individuals who
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  Speaker 2: operate outside the rigid, monitored structures of a standard middle
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  Speaker 2: class life.
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  Speaker 1: So people who aren't like in the system in the
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  Speaker 1: usual way exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We are talking about people who might be dealing with
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  Speaker 2: transient housing or maybe severe addiction or estrangement from their families.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't have a landlord knocking on the door
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  Speaker 1: on the first of the month if the rent isn't pid, No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't. They don't have a nine to five job,
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  Speaker 1: or a manager calls emergency contacts if they don't show
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  Speaker 1: up for a shift, right.
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  Speaker 2: That is the mechanical reality of it. If your daily
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  Speaker 2: routine is unmonitored by those traditional societal anchors, your absence
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  Speaker 2: doesn't create an immediate bureaucratic ripple.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you were never there to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: It's awful, but yes, there is a harsh reality in
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement circles which is often discussed by sociologists surrounding
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  Speaker 2: victims who are deemed tragically the less dead, the less dead. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It implies that because of their socioeconomic status, or their
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle or the circumstances, their disappearance just doesn't trigger the massive,
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  Speaker 2: resource heavy policeman hunts we see on the evening news.
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  Speaker 1: That is just such a brutal concept to wrap your
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  Speaker 1: head around.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly dark.
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  Speaker 1: It implies there is an unspoken hierarchy of victimhood. Like
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  Speaker 1: if a college student from a wealthy suburb goes missing.
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  Speaker 2: The mayor is giving press conferences.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly the mayor's on TV. There are helicopters in the air,
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  Speaker 1: the community is out forming.
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  Speaker 2: Search grids right, all hands on deck.
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  Speaker 1: But if a transient woman vanishes from the margins of town,
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  Speaker 1: there's just silence.
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  Speaker 2: And silence is exactly what predators rely on.
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  Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
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  Speaker 2: The reason the authorities had no idea Sean Gray was
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  Speaker 2: operating wasn't because he was some evil genius meticulously covering
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  Speaker 2: his tracks with bleach and forensic perfection.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't some movie villain.
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  Speaker 2: No, he didn't need to be a mastermind at all.
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  Speaker 2: He was shielded by institutional blind spots. Wow, the police
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  Speaker 2: weren't connecting the dots because to them, there were no
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  Speaker 2: dots on the radar. No official missing person's reports meant
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  Speaker 2: no official investigations.
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  Speaker 1: He was basically operating in a vacuum completely, which makes
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  Speaker 1: the sudden shift in his legal situation so incredibly jarring.
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  Speaker 1: You read through the source document from early twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 1: and we go from eleven years of total invisibility to
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  Speaker 1: him sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial right in
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  Speaker 1: total oneint eighty But the numbers attached to this trial
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  Speaker 1: are just baffling.
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  Speaker 2: The discrepancy between the reality of his crimes and the
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  Speaker 2: reality his legal standing is really Profand so let me lay.
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  Speaker 1: This up for you as the listener, because this is
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  Speaker 1: where it gets really interesting. In twenty eighteen, Sean Gray
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  Speaker 1: was a waiting trial for just two counts of murder,
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  Speaker 1: only two two, But in the exact same text it
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  Speaker 1: is explicitly stated that his admitted body count is much more.
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  Speaker 1: I am really struggling to understand this. It's like prosecuting
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  Speaker 1: a massive corporate embezzlement scheme by only looking at a
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  Speaker 1: twenty dollars bill missing from the petty cash straw.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: They know the entire pension fund is gone because the
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  Speaker 1: guy sitting in the chair just told him he took it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he literally confessed.
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  Speaker 1: But the twenty books is the only sef they are
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  Speaker 1: officially charging him with. If a serial killer actually admits
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  Speaker 1: to more murders, why isn't the state charging him for
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  Speaker 1: every single one?
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  Speaker 2: The petty cash analogy is incredibly apt here. It highlights
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  Speaker 2: the vast gulf between knowing something happened and actually proving
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  Speaker 2: it in a court of law. Okay, a confession from
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  Speaker 2: a serial killer is a powerful narrative tool, but legally
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  Speaker 2: it is often just a starting point. Prosecutors operate under
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  Speaker 2: the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the golden rule of the justice system.
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  Speaker 2: And a confession standing alone is surprisingly fragile.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I'm stuck on something here. Sure, if he sits
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  Speaker 1: in a room and says I did this, why is
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  Speaker 1: that fragile? That seems like a slam dunk.
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  Speaker 2: You would think so, right, But the legal system has
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  Speaker 2: learned the hard way that false confessions, exaggerated claims, and
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  Speaker 2: manipulative admissions are actually rampant.
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  Speaker 1: Really, even in murder cases.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, especially in high profile ones. A confession must be
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  Speaker 2: corroborated by physical or circumstantial evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see where this is going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tie this back to our earlier discussion about the
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  Speaker 2: invisible timeline between twenty five and twenty sixteen. If these
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  Speaker 2: women were never officially categorized as missing.
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  Speaker 1: Then there are no preserved crime scenes.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, there's no collected forensic data. No one was dusting
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  Speaker 2: for prints or swabbing for DNA or pulling security camera
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  Speaker 2: footage at the time of their disappearances.
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  Speaker 1: Because nobody knew to look.
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  Speaker 2: Right, think about the physical mechanics of evidence. DNA degrades
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  Speaker 2: when exposed to the elements. Yeah, security footage from two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and eight is long overwritten. Owned tower data from
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  Speaker 2: a decade ago is often purged by telecom companies, and
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  Speaker 2: even if it exists, it wasn't nearly as precise as
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  Speaker 2: modern GPS tracking.
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  Speaker 1: So even if he says I killed a woman in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine and left her here, the police
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  Speaker 1: go looking ten years later, and there might be absolutely
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  Speaker 1: nothing left to corroborate.
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  Speaker 2: His story, usually just bones if that.
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  Speaker 1: No fibers, no digital footprint, just his word.
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  Speaker 2: And you cannot take just the word of an admitted
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  Speaker 2: serial killer to a jury and expect a guaranteed conviction.
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  Speaker 2: Prosecutors have one shot.
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  Speaker 1: At this right because of double jeopardy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, if they take him to trial on a charge,
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  Speaker 2: they can't fully prove and he is acquitted. Double jeopardy
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  Speaker 2: attaches he can never be tried for that specific crime. Again,
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  Speaker 2: there's no right to an appeal by the state for
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  Speaker 2: an acquittal.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a massive risk.
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  Speaker 2: So they go with the petty cash drawer. They go
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  Speaker 2: with the two counts that are absolutely rock solid, the
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  Speaker 2: ones with undeniable, fresh forensic backing, just to ensure he
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  Speaker 2: is locked away for good.
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  Speaker 1: That makes a terrifying kind of sense. But it also
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  Speaker 1: brings up another question. If he knows he might get
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  Speaker 1: away with the uncorroborated ones, why admit to them at all?
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  Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question.
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  Speaker 1: Why offer up a higher bodyccount if he doesn't have to.
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  Speaker 2: That brings us to the psychology of control. When a
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  Speaker 2: predator like this is finally apprehended, their physical freedom is
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  Speaker 2: permanently revoked.
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  Speaker 1: Right They're in a cage.
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  Speaker 2: They are completely stripped of their agency. The only currency
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  Speaker 2: they have left in the world is information.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow. They hold the answers to the mysteries.
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  Speaker 2: They created exactly by teasing out confessions by admitting to
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  Speaker 2: a higher number, but perhaps withholding the exact locations or
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  Speaker 2: the identities of the victims, they force law enforcement to
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  Speaker 2: keep engaging with them.
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  Speaker 1: It's a game to them.
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  Speaker 2: It is they control the narrative. They keep the spotlight
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  Speaker 2: on themselves. It's a strategic nightmare for investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Because the investigators have to sift through a sociopath's ego
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  Speaker 1: driven manipulation just to find fragments of the truth. Precisely so,
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  Speaker 1: we have an eleven year streak of unchecked violence, a
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  Speaker 1: system entirely blind to the victims, and a legal reality
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  Speaker 1: that has to distill a massive tragedy into just two
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  Speaker 1: prosecuting charges.
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  Speaker 2: It's heavy.
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  Speaker 1: The weight of that is staggering. But the craziest part
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  Speaker 1: of this entire timeline is how it came to an end.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, it didn't end because a detective suddenly connected
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  Speaker 1: a decade of invisible dots. Our source text reveals that
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  Speaker 1: the entire situation shifted in September due to what is
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  Speaker 1: described as an unthinkable call to nine one one that
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  Speaker 1: changed everything.
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  Speaker 2: The choice of the word unthinkable is vital here. I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it speaks to the absolute impossibility of the moment based
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  Speaker 2: on the precedent said over the previous eleven years.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a microscopic fracture bringing down a massive concrete dam,
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  Speaker 1: over four thousand days of silence, and it all ends
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  Speaker 1: with one single phone call.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Put yourself in that situation as the listener. What makes
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  Speaker 1: a nine to one one call truly unthinkable after over
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  Speaker 1: a decade of undetected murders.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating here is that it represents a violent
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  Speaker 2: shift in the power dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how so.
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  Speaker 2: For eleven years, Sean grad held one hundred percent of
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  Speaker 2: the control. He operated with absolute impunity, totally secure in
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  Speaker 2: the knowledge that his actions were invisible to the system.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he was pulling all the strings.
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  Speaker 2: He was the sole author of this nightmare. A nine
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  Speaker 2: to one to one call is the forceful, undeniable insertion
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  Speaker 2: of a victim's agency back into the story. It entirely
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  Speaker 2: shatters the vacuum he relied on.
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  Speaker 1: It is someone refusing to be invisible, refusing to just
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  Speaker 1: be part of that less dead category we talked about.
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  Speaker 2: That is the core of it. It was unthinkable for
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  Speaker 2: the killer, who had undoubtedly grown pretty arrogant over a
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  Speaker 2: decade of success, for sure, And it was unthinkable for
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement who suddenly had an eleven year catastrophic blind
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  Speaker 2: spot illuminated in real time by a desperate voice on
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  Speaker 2: the other end of the line.
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  Speaker 1: That desperate need for the victim's voice to be heard
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  Speaker 1: doesn't just stop.
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  Speaker 2: In a courtroom, though, no, it ripples out.
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  Speaker 1: It actually explains why millions of peace people are tuning
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  Speaker 1: in to hear this exact story repackaged on their phones,
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  Speaker 1: which pivots us from the grim reality of the crimes
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio to the machinery of how this story is told. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we aren't just looking at police records anymore. We are
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  Speaker 1: analyzing the metadata of a true crime storytelling engine.
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  Speaker 2: And the medium itself tells us so much about modern culture.
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  Speaker 2: We are essentially observing the transformation of real world trauma
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  Speaker 2: into consumable digital content.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at the mechanics of this, because it's wild.
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  Speaker 1: You take an eleven year saga of horror, the complex
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  Speaker 1: legal maneuvering of a two count trial, the devastating sociological
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  Speaker 1: failure regarding vulnerable women, and the heart stopping tension of
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  Speaker 1: that September nine one one call. All of that, and
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  Speaker 1: all of that is compressed into a thirty four minute
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  Speaker 1: audio experience.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly dense. When you put it like that right.
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  Speaker 1: Our source notes that this was hosted by Ashley Flowers
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  Speaker 1: and brit Prewat on the audio Check network, and it
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  Speaker 1: is hyper optimized for the digital age, very much so.
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  Speaker 1: The source material is packed with calls to action Instagram, Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: TikTok Facebook, there's an ad free fanclub model.
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  Speaker 2: It is a highly sophisticated multi platform media apparatus and
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  Speaker 2: it's built entirely around narrative delivery.
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  Speaker 1: I look at that thirty four minute runtime and I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask, is this highly produced short form storytelling
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  Speaker 1: actually doing justice to the immense complexity of the case
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  Speaker 1: we just discussed or is it just feeding a morbid curiosity?
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  Speaker 2: That is the big question, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, thirty four minutes is the length of a commute.
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  Speaker 1: Can you really honor a decade of lost lives in
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  Speaker 1: the time it takes to drive to the office.
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  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, and that tension is basically
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  Speaker 2: the central debate surrounding the entire true crime genre right now. Right,
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  Speaker 2: But if we break down the specific format utilized by
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  Speaker 2: Ashley Flowers in Britt Praywatt, you can actually view them
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  Speaker 2: as modern day digital town criers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I like that analogy like they are standing in
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  Speaker 1: the digital public square, ringing a bell exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Historically, a community relied on someone to show it the news,
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  Speaker 2: the warning, and the dangers, so that everyone was aware
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  Speaker 2: of the threats lurking at the edges of town. Today
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  Speaker 2: that square is global. These hosts take a case that
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  Speaker 2: might have remained buried in local Ohio newspaper archives.
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  Speaker 1: A case specifically involving marginalized women whom society ignored, let's.
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  Speaker 2: Not forget exactly, and they amplify it to millions. They're
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  Speaker 2: forcing the public to look at the blind spots that
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  Speaker 2: we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 1: So the compression into thirty four minutes isn't necessarily a
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  Speaker 1: disservice then not necessarily, No, it's a mechanical necessity. Because
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  Speaker 1: if you write a five hundred page academic sociological study
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  Speaker 1: on Ohio's missing person's policies, maybe a few hundred people
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  Speaker 1: read it if you're lucky, But if you distill it
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  Speaker 1: into an engaging audio narrative, millions of people hear the
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  Speaker 1: names of those women.
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  Speaker 2: Accessibility drives awareness. It's that simple.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 2: But the business and community model wrapped around this awareness
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  Speaker 2: as a fascinating layer of complexity. Look at the specific
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  Speaker 2: prompts in the Sword material.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, like the prompt to text Ashley directly Yes. It
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  Speaker 1: specifically lists a three seventeen area code number and says
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  Speaker 1: you can text her to talk all things true crime.
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  Speaker 2: Think about the psychological mechanics of that. You are sitting
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  Speaker 2: in traffic listening to a harrowing story about a real
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  Speaker 2: life serial killer, and you pull out your phone to
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  Speaker 2: set a text message to a host who feels like
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  Speaker 2: your friend.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild.
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  Speaker 2: It is a radically new way for humans to process
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  Speaker 2: communal danger. It creates what media psychologists call a parasocial relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning you feel a deep intimate connection with Ashley and Britt.
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  Speaker 1: You feel like you know them even though it's a
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  Speaker 1: one way street and they don't actually know you personally.
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  Speaker 2: You hit the nail on the head. It builds immense loyalty.
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  Speaker 2: Listeners join the fan club to get ad free episodes,
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  Speaker 2: They follow the social media accounts, they engage in comment sections.
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  Speaker 1: They become a community.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly the story of Sean grat ceases to be just
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  Speaker 2: a static documentary. It becomes the foundational text for an
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  Speaker 2: interactive community built around the shared consumption of dark, which
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  Speaker 2: brings up.
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  Speaker 1: A detail in the metadata that I find honestly completely absurd.
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  Speaker 2: Let me guess the rating.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the show is rated clean on Apple Podcasts. It's
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  Speaker 1: rated clean, which is wild, right, deeply ironic. We're detailing
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  Speaker 1: an eleven years streak of unsolved murders, a predator operating
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  Speaker 1: in the shadows, a legal system struggling with a massive
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  Speaker 1: admitted body count. But thank goodness, nobody dropped an F bomb.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That tells you so much about what tech platforms actually
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  Speaker 1: care about policing.
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  Speaker 2: It is a striking paradox. It reveals how society sanitizes
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  Speaker 2: trauma for.
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  Speaker 1: Mass consumption, sanitizes trauma.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, the violence and the systemic failures are permissible,
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  Speaker 2: even lucrative, as long as the language used to describe
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: them adheres to a specific corporate standard of decency. It
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: makes the horror.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Digestible, digestible enough to cross borders. Apparently, because this audio
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: check model is clearly a juggernaut.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Oh it's massive.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: The story of this specific Ohio killer didn't stay in
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  Speaker 1: the American Midwest, not at all.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: The distribution data provided in the sources is arguably the
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  Speaker 2: most staggering piece of information we have here.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? I am looking at
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  Speaker 1: the Apple Podcasts country availability data in our source document.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: This thirty four minute audio piece is explicitly listed in
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of countries.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: It's a huge list.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We are talking about distribution across Africa, the Middle East, India, Asia, Pacific, Europe,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Latin America and North America.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Basically listeners in Algeria, Armenia, Japan, Brazil, the UK, Yemen, Suriname, Mongolia, Cambodia.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: That's truly global.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: An incredibly specific, hyper local tragedy regarding a Midwest police
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: department's blind spots is being beamed into smartphones in Bhutan
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: and Madagascar. Why on earth does a story like this
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  Speaker 1: resonate on a global scale.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if we connect this to the bigger picture, we
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  Speaker 2: have to look past the geographical details of Ohio. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: a listener in Vietnam or Peru isn't tuning in because
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: they have a vested interest in the municipal workings of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: an American Midwestern town, right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: They probably don't care about Ohio specifically exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They're connecting with the underlying universal themes.
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  Speaker 1: The vulnerability, the monster next door.
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  Speaker 2: Systemic failure is not unique to one country. Every single
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: culture on Earth has its own marginalized population.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: That's very true.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Every society struggles with institutional blind spots, and every community
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: has its own version of the less dead. The fear
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: of a predator who can manipulate those blind spots is
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a universal human anxiety.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: We are all afraid of the cracks in the system,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: no matter what system we live under.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Precisely, we can view this through the lens of evolutionary psychology.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Actually, oh interesting, how so.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: For millennia humans have gathered around fires to tell terrifying
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: stories about the dangers lurking in the dark woods.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Right like old fairy tales.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: We didn't tell these stories just for a thrill. It
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: was a biological imperative. We told them to learn the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: mechanics of danger. We listen to Survive.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Nary tale exactly.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Listeners globally tune into these true crime narratives to understand
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: how to creditor operates. You want to know the warning
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: signs and that nine to one one call we discussed, Yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that is the ultimate universal symbol of rescue. A desperate
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: plea for help transcends language, culture, and borders.
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  Speaker 1: Because we all want the reassurance that if we ever
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: find ourselves in the unthinkable situation, we would have the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: agency to make that call and break the silence.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: By broadcasting the story globally, this media apparatus takes a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: hyper local crime and turns it into global folklore. Sean
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Gray basically becomes a modern day boogeyman for people thousands
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of miles away.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: He becomes a symbol of the danger we're all trying
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to avoid.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a breath and look at the massive
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: ground we've covered today.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: We covered a lot.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: We started in the dark spaces of Ohio, looking at
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a chilling eleven year timeline from twenty five to twenty sixteen,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a decade where a predator operated freely because his victims
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: were invisible to the sh structural machinery of society. We
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: unpack the mechanical realities of the legal system. Why the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: burden of proof forced prosecutors to distill a massive admitted
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: body count into just two rock solid charges.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Oh petty cash analogy exactly.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Then we zeroed in on the immense power shift of
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that single unthinkable September nine.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: One one call the turning point.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: And finally we analyzed how this entire devastating reality was
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: compressed into a thirty four minute, highly optimized piece of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: digital storytelling by Ashley Flowers and Britt prey Watt, transforming
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a local tragedy into a globally consumed cautionary tale.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: He's a profound look at how we as a global
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: society process and package are darkest realities.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: It really is. Now as we wrap up this deep dive,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: we always like to leave you, the listener, with a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: final thought to mull over. Long after the audio stops, we.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Spend a lot of time analyzing the mechanics of that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: one to nine will one call. We know that Sean
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Grts eleven year terror only ended because a victim managed
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to execute that unthinkable active agency, forcing a blind system
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to finally open its eyes right, but it leads a lingering,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: deeply unsettling question. What's that If it took an unprecedented
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: moment of survival to expose just one killer's timeline, how
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: many similar silent timelines are running right now in our
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: own cities, simply because the victims involved are people, society
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: hasn't yet decided to consider missing Ooh.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: That is a heavy thought to carry with you. It is,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: but it's a necessary one to truly understand the world
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: around us. We want to thank you so much for
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: joining us on this deep dive into the sources today.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for listening.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: We hope you found the exploration as fascinating as we did.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Stay curious, stay aware, and we will be back with
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: another deep dive soon. Take care,