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NFL Conference Championship Sunday Preview: Who's Going To The Super Bowl? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds NFL Conference
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Championship preview. I'm Jeff Mosher, and it is hard to
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: believe we've been doing this now for let's see eighteen nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty one weeks, and I only got one more of
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  Speaker 1: these left, and that'll be the super Bowl. So after
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: this weekend, there's only one NFL game remaining until August,
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  Speaker 1: and you gotta wait two weeks for it, and it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be two weeks of interviews and conjecture and speculation
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  Speaker 1: and talk, you know, either the two weeks leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, especially for me, if the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: aren't in it and I'm not as busy and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not down wherever the super Bowl is and on radio row,
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  Speaker 1: the two weeks can be kind of excruciating.
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  Speaker 2: You're just waiting for the game to get.
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  Speaker 1: Here, no matter who plays who. You know, you got
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  Speaker 1: the Broncos, the Patriots, the Rams, and the Seahawks. I
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  Speaker 1: think the Rams and Seahawks and even the Bronco all
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  Speaker 1: four have had really obviously, really really good years. I
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  Speaker 1: think that it'll probably lack some of the excitement or
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  Speaker 1: the enthusiasm of some past Super Bowls when you've had.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people love rematches, you know, Eagles Chiefs. I
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  Speaker 1: think that even though if you get outside the Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: area or outside the Kansas City area, there was excitement
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  Speaker 1: about the game because it was a two teams that
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  Speaker 1: had played each other just a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: two teams that also have a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of ties.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of that with Andy Reid.
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  Speaker 1: So there was two teams with marquee players, not that
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  Speaker 1: there aren't any in this among these four, but really,
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the quarterback, it's a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback driven league, and right now with the Broncos situation,
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  Speaker 1: Jared Stindham as a quarterback, Drake May is a great
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  Speaker 1: story in year two, but he's not Manning or Brady,
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  Speaker 1: has not done anything yet, So I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: he's got the same kind of allure if he's in
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl that you would have if it's a
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes or if it was Josh Allen's first trip, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, Hurts being there a couple of times. There
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  Speaker 1: are just some guys that, you know, really take the spotlight,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know that Drake May is that guy yet.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, if he loses the game and doesn't play well,
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  Speaker 1: I think people will say, well, you know, he just
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  Speaker 1: wasn't ready year or two.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if he wins the game, he's probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: start getting Tom Brady comparisons. But but the point is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Matthew Stafford is is certainly a star, certainly
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  Speaker 1: an MVP player, probably the most exciting of all the
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks left. But he's also on the downside. Luckily for him,
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  Speaker 1: his downside is still MVP caliber. If you guys remember
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  Speaker 1: the last Super Bowl, but the one between the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: and the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 2: Ironically, no, not that.
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  Speaker 1: One, the one that the Broncos won with Peyton Manning
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  Speaker 1: and who they beat is escaping me at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: But the one that they won after losing to the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks the year before was basically Peyton really struggling again
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  Speaker 1: with injuries with his body, and they won that Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl just handing the ball off, handing the ball. I
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  Speaker 1: was against the Panthers, now, I remember the big fumble
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  Speaker 1: by Cam Newton.
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  Speaker 2: They won it on defense.
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  Speaker 1: It was not vintage Peyton Manning on his second ring
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  Speaker 1: there the way he went out so but here with Stafford.
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  Speaker 2: He's really lighting it up. He's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: The Seahawks have been fun to watch, with their defense
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  Speaker 1: very much reminiscent in some ways of the Legion of
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  Speaker 1: Boom defense.
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  Speaker 2: From years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Different but similar in that they are a very punishing,
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  Speaker 1: aggressive defense that can shut down a really good offense
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  Speaker 1: in court. But if they're in the Super Bowl again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that it has the same kind of
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  Speaker 1: national or global because the Super Bowl is global. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that it has the global appeal that it
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  Speaker 1: would ordinarily have if you had the Chiefs in it
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  Speaker 1: who are dynasty, or if you had, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen in it, if you had the Eagles in
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  Speaker 1: it again, if you had maybe Lamar Jackson in it
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. I think that this will be
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  Speaker 1: These are four very really good games that will produce
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  Speaker 1: two really good teams going at it. But and of
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  Speaker 1: course it's the super Bowl, so it will be watched.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it will lack for some of the
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  Speaker 1: great storylines that we have seen in the past, and
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  Speaker 1: lack for some star studdedness that you usually get with
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Big names, big name.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the reality is depending on who wins these games.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the coaches McVeigh, Peyton might.
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  Speaker 1: Be some of the biggest stars in the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: and probably will be featured more so than some other
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  Speaker 1: coaches in the Super Bowl, like, for example, Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 1: If he gets to the Super Bowl, he will be
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  Speaker 1: he will have the chance to become the first NFL
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  Speaker 1: coach to win a Super.
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  Speaker 2: Bowl with two different teams. There have been a couple
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  Speaker 2: to take.
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  Speaker 1: Two different teams to a Super Bowl, but nobody has
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  Speaker 1: ever won with two different teams.
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  Speaker 2: I believe. I'm just this is off the top of
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  Speaker 2: my head.
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  Speaker 1: I think the last, well, the last coach I guess
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  Speaker 1: to do it would be Andy Reid because he'd done
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  Speaker 1: it with the Chiefs the last few years, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he had been to the Super Bowl with the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: before that. I believe was Reed's mentor, Mike Holmgren, who
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  Speaker 1: won it as a Packers head coach and should have
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  Speaker 1: won it as the Seahawks coach when they were in
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl against the Steelers.
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  Speaker 2: Two thousand and five. Maybe I know it was Roethlisberger's
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  Speaker 2: second year. It was an ugly game. It was a
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  Speaker 2: terrible Super Bowl for Roethlisberger despite the fact.
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  Speaker 1: That he won it and there was, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: holding call on the Seahawks left tackle that was very controversial.
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  Speaker 1: I think his last name was Locklear. And the point is,
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  Speaker 1: Humgrin had a really, really good chance to make history
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  Speaker 1: there and he fell short. And of course Andy did
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  Speaker 1: not win one in Philadelphia despite getting there, but.
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  Speaker 2: Has won many with the Chiefs, and.
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  Speaker 1: So it would be a big, big storyline if Sean
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  Speaker 1: Peyton was in the Super Bowl and had a chance
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  Speaker 1: to become the first to do that. And knowing Sean
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  Speaker 1: Payton as I've observed from him, I don't know him personally,
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  Speaker 1: may have interviewed him once or twice in a pack somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: but I would think that Sean Payton would relish the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to not only talk about it, but then go
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  Speaker 1: do it and say that he did it. He is
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  Speaker 1: not a guy who afraid, who hides his emotions, who's
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  Speaker 1: afraid of making bombastic statements. So I have a feeling
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  Speaker 1: if that winds up being a storyline, he will embrace it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: do not let this super Bowl be a matchup, And
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  Speaker 1: I think it might wind up being that way between
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  Speaker 1: Peyton and Sean McVeigh, because I think people will lose
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  Speaker 1: their minds between all the coverage that these two head
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  Speaker 1: coaches get. It will be NonStop. It will be McVeigh
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  Speaker 1: going for his second championship, not with a different team,
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  Speaker 1: the same team, but it will still be McVeigh going
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  Speaker 1: from going for his second championship. And you know that
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  Speaker 1: McVeigh and listen, I like McVeigh too. I think he's
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  Speaker 1: a great coach. So you can say I'm as guilty
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  Speaker 1: as all of them or the rest of them were
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  Speaker 1: the next guy. But yeah, it would be McVeigh going
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  Speaker 1: for his second ring in the last five years, So
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  Speaker 1: that would put him in fairly elite company just having
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  Speaker 1: two Super Bowl rings on his own. If that would
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  Speaker 1: be the case, I think that would that would also
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  Speaker 1: be his third Super Bowl appearance.
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  Speaker 2: So people can make.
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  Speaker 1: Fun of the media, sports writer, sports talk hosts, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and see people seem to take umbrage or actually people
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  Speaker 1: seem to take delight in crushing sports media for you know,
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  Speaker 1: over glorifying Sean mcvaigh after he had a bad game
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  Speaker 1: against the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, he did have a bad game.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what, that doesn't make him a bad coach when
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  Speaker 1: other people, especially fellow reporters, go onto Twitter and be like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he had a bad game, but you know the media
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  Speaker 1: is gonna tell you he's he's great. Let me say,
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  Speaker 1: give me a guy who has not a bad game.
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  Speaker 1: The guys one went away from being in his third
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, He's already won one, probably be the favorite
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  Speaker 1: if he gets to another one, and he has a
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  Speaker 1: bad game against a good team on the road, and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden the media just falls in love
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  Speaker 1: with him too much. I mean, come on, who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have a bad game. Tom Brady's lost Super bowls. Okay,
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: he's lost conference championship games. The best who have ever
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  Speaker 1: played have bad games, so I think the best who
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  Speaker 1: have ever coached can have bad games as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't. I don't use those opportunities to pile on.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe part of that is because I really do
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  Speaker 1: believe Sean McVay is a great coach, and he is.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, when guy, even for guys who I
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  Speaker 1: don't think are awesome, I don't sit there in a
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  Speaker 1: bad moment by the way they won the game and
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  Speaker 1: pile on and say.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this guy's overrated. He stinks.
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  Speaker 1: See what see. He coached the bad game. Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 1: didn't coach a great game either. By the way, sometimes
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: it happens you get two good teams going against each other,
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  Speaker 1: you can lose your way, you can.
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  Speaker 2: You know Andy, how many times do we say about
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  Speaker 2: Andy Reid?
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  Speaker 1: He just started passing the ball too much, didn't have
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  Speaker 1: great clock management.
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  Speaker 2: He figured out.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make him a terrible coach because he had
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  Speaker 1: bad games along the way.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I On one hand, I'm telling you guys that if
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  Speaker 1: it winds up being mcveighor of Peyton, you're probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: be vomiting.
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  Speaker 2: From all the coverage that they get. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: they deserve it. They're really good at what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick, let's get into the head coaching vacancies around
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  Speaker 1: the league and what's going on. You know, there were
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  Speaker 1: what ten when this all started. A bunch of teams
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  Speaker 1: have filled their vacancies now some some too. I thought
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  Speaker 1: Minter and the Ravens were a perfect match, and I
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: had a feeling, without knowing anything, that it was headed
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: in that direction. He was there under John Harball. He
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  Speaker 1: left went to Michigan with Jim Harbor Law followed then
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Jim to the Chargers has done an excellent job as
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  Speaker 1: their defensive coordinators. The Ravens to me, because there's such
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  Speaker 1: a stable organization and because they struck on John Harball
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  Speaker 1: wound up being their coach for eighteen years, and they
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: weren't afraid to hire a special teams coordinator and make
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: him a head coach. The Ravens to me, they don't
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  Speaker 1: have to follow a template, you know. I think some
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  Speaker 1: teams have to because of the position they're in. Probably
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: need a guy who might have been a retread. It
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: might be better for them to have a retread we'll
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: get into that in a second, or a guy who
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  Speaker 1: has a head coaching experience. The Ravens are a stable
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  Speaker 1: organization with a great scouting staff, a great owner, great stability.
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  Speaker 1: Other It doesn't mean they can't have a lull kid,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they can't make a mistake. But I could
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  Speaker 1: absolutely see them taking a chance on a younger guy
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  Speaker 1: Minter because they had all the information they needed.
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  Speaker 2: He was there in the building for several years.
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  Speaker 1: And then he went and did a great won a
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  Speaker 1: national championship at Michigan, and then he helped assemble one
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  Speaker 1: of the best defenses in the NFL the Chargers in
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  Speaker 1: just two years. So that made a lot of sense
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  Speaker 1: to me. I thought it would lean that way. I
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: did not expect Tennessee to hire Robert Salad. I think
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: that was really interesting. I'm very curious to see if Salah,
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  Speaker 1: who did not do a great job with the Jets.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: And I know that he was with the Jets and
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: how bad of an organization they are, but I don't
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: know that he handled the media really well. The spotlight
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: the decisions that you have to make as a head
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: coach about your entire team and your organization, your athletic training.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: I mean that you are in charge of so much
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: as a head coach, not just your side of the ball,
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  Speaker 1: that it is very difficult to really realize that and
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  Speaker 1: grasp that. And then on top of that, you need
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. And then they missed on the Byu kid
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  Speaker 1: when they were there, and that just forced them to
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  Speaker 1: never really be in the driver's seats.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: He's got cam Ward. Now looks like Dabele will go
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: there to be his OC. That's not set in stone yet.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if the second time around he's able to
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: get the coaches that he wants in there and then
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  Speaker 1: work with have somebody working with the quarterback. It's got
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: some really good players on defense, Jeffery Simmons being one.
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  Speaker 1: They work pretty decent defensively, and obviously Denard Wilson's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be back there as a defensive coordinator. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how it goes the second
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  Speaker 1: time around with Robert Sala with the Titans, because that's
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  Speaker 1: also an organization that has been pocked by not great
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  Speaker 1: management and ownership over the last few years. Not as
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  Speaker 1: bad as the Jets, but not great, not stable. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see, if I could. You gotta be careful. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: guys jump at the next opportunity because there's only thirty
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  Speaker 1: two chances. But I always caution that, not that anybody's
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  Speaker 1: gonna listen to me, but I always think, if you
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: didn't succeed your first time as a head coach, you
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  Speaker 1: may want to be if you can be, if you're
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: in that position, a little bit more selective the second time,
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  Speaker 1: because if it failed twice, odds are you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be a head coach again. Now, it's really hard
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  Speaker 1: to resist the temptation when somebody wants to give you
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  Speaker 1: that job. But again, the Titans are not exactly a
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  Speaker 1: model of stability and they're just stalas coming from the Niners,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: which are but before that being a head coach of
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  Speaker 1: the Jets, which is probably one of the least stable organizations.
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  Speaker 1: That's why with Mike McDaniel, who's out there and who
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  Speaker 1: will be the Chargers offensive coordinator if he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Get a head head coaching job. I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: smart that.
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  Speaker 1: He pulled out of the Cleveland Brown head coaching job.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Browns and the Raiders have to pay
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  Speaker 1: attacks for being who they are, and we can throw
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals in this a little bit too. The
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Cardinals are not their ownership is known for being cheap,
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  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't quite call them as.
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  Speaker 2: What's the word I'm looking for?
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's just something about the Browns and the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders where they just can't get there.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, together.
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  Speaker 1: They can have abbreviated years or seasons where things are good.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Kevin Stefanski was twice the NFL Coach
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  Speaker 1: of the Year with the Browns.
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  Speaker 2: It did make some.
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  Speaker 1: Playoff appearances, but when you widen the lens over the
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  Speaker 1: Browns and Raiders for fifteen or so years. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot more bad seasons than there are goods, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more instability than stability. And we almost never
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  Speaker 1: see these teams make the playoffs two years in a row,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: so they have to pay. And then you can throw
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals in there. I mean they're not quite as bad,
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  Speaker 1: but they're up there for lack of stability. Now the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders at least have the number one pick they're gonna get.
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza. What an unbelievable story he is. What an
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable job by Indiana to win the National championship. Great game,
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  Speaker 1: great heroic play from Mendoza in a struggle of a game,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, the way that Indiana has won all
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  Speaker 1: a year, basically destroying people, destroying Alabama in that first
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  Speaker 1: or second round game, you know they were taken. They
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: were given a test by Miami and they passed it.
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  Speaker 1: And Mendoza was unbelievable in the fourth quarter. The touchdown
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  Speaker 1: run just shows you what kind of player he is.
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  Speaker 1: I understand why there are some there is some skepticism
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  Speaker 1: about his upside in the NFL. He's not a bad athlete,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: he's got a good arm. Kind of came out of nowhere,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say came out of nowhere, but
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  Speaker 1: obviously an amazing year his last year here.
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  Speaker 2: In college football.
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  Speaker 1: And he is the same and obvious choice for the Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: But I do wonder about his just general floor as
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  Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. But it doesn't matter. The Raiders need
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. He's the best one. They're gonna take them.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're the head, if you're a prospective head coach.
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  Speaker 1: You know you don't have a whole lot to work
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  Speaker 1: with from our fifty three man standpoint. But you will
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  Speaker 1: have Mendoza, you'll have Gent, You'll hopefully get the left
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  Speaker 1: Tackleton Miller healthy. He's a good player, so that's good
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  Speaker 1: to know. You got Max Crosby on defense, so you
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: may have about you know, my quick man tells me
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  Speaker 1: forty nine other spots that really need to be filled badly,
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  Speaker 1: give or take. But at least you've got four core
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  Speaker 1: guys there that you probably can start to work with.
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  Speaker 1: And we know Tom Brady is heavily involved. But the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Raiders and the Browns and the Cardinals don't have an
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: exact fit to me, because they have to pay their rate.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They are gonna have to overpay. They got to give
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  Speaker 1: probably more years on the contract to lure that the
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  Speaker 1: person that they want because they know that most people
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: go these are these are jobs to get hired to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: get fired, all right. So, uh, if the Raiders want
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: a guy like Nate Schielhouse right from the Rams, really bright, young,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: offensive mind, never been a play caller or a head coach,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but bright, bright mind to come in there, uh and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: take control of their operation. Because they have the number
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: one pick quarterback, you know, they may they may need
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a guy like that, a Nate Schielhouse, a young guy
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: who hasn't proved himself yet. Davis Webb from the Broncos.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: You know obviously the Raiders GM now John Spytech came
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: over from the Broncos, so he's got familiarity with them.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But if they want to hire Vance, Joseph Vance, Joseph
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Is could probably look and say, I probably will get.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: A better opportunity.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: This is again again he's a guy looking for his
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: second head coaching gig didn't go well the first time
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: around when he was Denver's head coach, so he may
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: want to be more selective. He may not want to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: go to Arizona, where he's also been before. He may
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: not want to go be the head coach of the Raiders.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: He may not want to go be head coach of
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the Browns because you know, he may just think second
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: time around. I got to make sure it's a great environment.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure the Steelers would be way more attractive.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the Bills would be more attractive, and I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: think the feeling would be more mutual as well for
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the Bills and the Steelers standpoint. So the Raiders, if
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I had to guess, probably a guy like siel Haas,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Probably a guy like Davis Webb. The Cardinals, who knows,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I really, I just I couldn't even begin to tell
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you who would they. Again, the quarterback's an issue there.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They're gonna move on from Kyler Murray. They don't have
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a top five pick. So their GM has to convince
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the head coaching candidate that he's got an excellent plan
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and about many Austen Fort, who has not been a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: GM that long and doesn't have any track record of success,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: he's got to be able to convince a good candidate
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to come take this job because he has a plan.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that's gonna go. So he also
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: may have to he being Austin Fort and the Cardinals
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: may all also have to get a first time head coach.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe they wait on Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator for
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks. All right, maybe they say, you know what
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: we need. We just need something better, and let's go
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: after Matt Nagy, because Naggy kind of got left at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the altar by the Titans, probably thought he had that job.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk to him. We'll see a Giro Evro
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: good defensive coordinator there. So it might have to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a first time guy, Joe Brady something like that. Because
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: guys who are looking to win and win now, are
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: in their second go around as a head coach and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: want a better environment are not going to find those
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: jobs as attractive. Doesn't mean they can't wind up hiring
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: somebody good.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: The Rams are a good example here I go talking
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: about McVeigh again. They took a chance on Sean McVay
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and it really worked out. Okay, nine times out of ten.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Doesn't always happen that way, but they had great intel.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: They knew he was smart, he was the guy around
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the league, kind of like sheelhouse is now and you
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: take that chance and it works out. But those teams
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: will clearly have to be able to build and convince
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the next candidate that they have a good plan. I
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: was somewhat shocked, not totally, but a little bit shocked
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: at the way the Bills went about firing Sean McDermott.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I get it, you know, they.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Hadn't gotten past the point they want to get. But
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know, you watch the press conference, which was a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: total clown show, and I've heard nothing. I've heard nice
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: things about Tom Pagoula, the owner, but I mean the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: way he just rolled the bus over not only McDermott,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: but then Keon Coleman. If you guys haven't seen this
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: press conference, it is a masterclass in what not to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: say when you're the owner of an NFL franchise publicly,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: all right, have those conversations behind closed door. Now this kid,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and listen. Keon Coleman has brought some of this on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: himself by just not being mature and ready to play
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: in the NFL as a second round pick. But there's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: no help whatsoever in having the bus rolled over your back.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Time and time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Again, the Eagles did not do that to Jalen Rager
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: when Riger was really struggling as a first round pick
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to carve a rollout and become an NFL player.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: They never said anything.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Incriminating or damning like that, or throwing him under the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: bus like that.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Not at all.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: They supported him, so you're supposed to do so. And
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: then for the Bills to interview, for the Bills to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: interview Philip Rivers because he's close with Josh Allen listen,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I don't mind kicking the tires. I don't mind doing
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: casting a wide net. But again, there is so much
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: more to being an NFL head coach than being a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: good play caller or being a guy who can challenge
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. Those are important, but you have to decide
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: everything that goes on. Who's your defensive coordinator, who's your
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: linebacker's coach or are you gonna pick a good enough
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that that guy can round out his staff?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Who's your quality control, who's your head trainer, who's your
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: assistant trainer? What's your practice schedule? Gonna be like, okay,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: we kind of what are your core fundamental philosophies as
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a coach? I know he's been coaching high school. That's great,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: that's not the NFL, all right, I mean, Doug Peterson
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: coach high school. But then at least he went to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: go coach under Andy Reid before becoming the Eagles head coach.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: He did spend a few years on Reid's staff. You
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: have to know a franchise inside and out, everything you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: can control, and control who's.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Going to run your draft.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: You know, you got to be able to work with
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the GM. So for Philip Rivers to just walk into
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a situation like that and become an NFL head coach,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that's a tough call. Now, it makes sense to interview
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: him and if you want to be if they wanted
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: him to be the OC or the quarterback coach, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: could see it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Pass game coordinator. Sure, I think a lot of that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But there's just so much involved with running a franchise
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: when you're going to be an NFL head coach that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: if you have zero NFL coaching experience, and I mean
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: not head coaching, I mean you've never been an assistant,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a position.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Coach, a quality control coach, I.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Think that's really really difficult. I think it almost undermines
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the profession a little bit. And look, maybe he's just
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: naturally a great coach. Who knows I know that if
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you remember this was done before by the Colts when
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the Lake Jimier say fired I think it was Frank
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and he just said, hey, Jeff Saturday, come coach.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: My NFL team.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Right, I don't think Saturday was very successful, and then
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: he didn't get the job obviously. After that, it's just
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: more responsibility than you think. It's not just go coach
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: your starting lineup. Okay, you need to make sure that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: your practice squad is full. I mean, yes, your GM
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: takes care of a lot of that, but the GM
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: is basically someone who works alongside the head coach and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: needs the head coach's input. What schemes do you want
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to run? What do you want me to What kind
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of players do you want me to find not only
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: on the fifty three but also the practice squad for
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the kind of scheme you want to run? What tone
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: are you setting? How can I help you as a GM?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: You have to know all that, And to think that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a guy like Philip Rivers has all of this, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: mean I remember the stories of Andy Reid impressing Jeffrey
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Lourie and Joe Banner because he came to his interview
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: with something that resembled like a Bible of notes and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a mission statement. You have to have a coaching mission,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: state mission, state mission statement. Pretty Much every coach I've
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: ever talked to has done that. I mean, they compile
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that in their free time when they can. That basically
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: outlines their philosophies, their scheme, what coaches, what they look
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: for and coaches, what specific names of coaches they would
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: want to coach with them, how they would reshape practice,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: how they would reshape the training staff, how they would
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: work the regimen of off from OTAs to training camp
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to the time that you're practicing.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Traveling everything.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It's exhausting and comprehensive, and you have to have to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: have sat down and had all of that. And I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: don't know whether Philip Rivers has or hasn't. Maybe maybe
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he has, but I still think you have to have
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: all of that that is a compilation of your experiences
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: as an NFL head coach to be able to present
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that to an owner. I mean, Philip River can have
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a one hundred page manuscript on it, but how does
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: he really know if he hasn't even done it at
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: any of those understudy levels, rising up a chain before
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you get the head coach. So I don't think there's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: anything wrong with the interview. I'm not saying the Bills
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: are idiots. I'm not saying Rivers is an idiot. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: mean I think this is the right way to at
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: least get information and the right way for Rivers to
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: get his foot in the door and show people that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: He's truly serious.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But if he gets a head coaching job, I would
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: have some serious, serious questions about the direction of that franchise.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I do think that the Bills would be wise to listen.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They don't have to hire an offensive coach, but they're
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: obviously they've got a lot of work to do on
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: both offense and defense. They just need a good listen,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a good program builder. I mean, the program's there. I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: thought McDermott had done an excellent job. They need somebody
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to get him over the hump. So it would probably
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: make sense to me for the Bills to look for
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: someone who has prior head coaching experience if they're built
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to win. And you heard the owner say, I made
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: this decision basically when we lost the playoff game to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Broncos, which you know, kind of shows you that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the owner probably made I'm not saying he shouldn't have
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: done it, but it sounds a little hasty when you
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: make that decision right then and there instead of giving
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: yourself the proverbial twenty four to forty eight hours to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: think about it. So I'm very interested if they based
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: on what the owner said, it feels like the Bills
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: should try to hire a guy who has previous head
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: coaching experience, whether it's Mike McDaniel, whether it's Van Sjosa,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: maybe Matt Naggy.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: We'll see Dable.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Obviously they're going to talk to, We'll say, as opposed
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to trying to find, you know, the diamond and the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: rough coordinator who could potentially take them backward.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And of course.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I'm really captivated by the st I think the Steelers
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: are like the Ravens. The Steelers have an unbelievable process.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: They don't hire and fire coaches easily. They really take
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: their time. They've went from you know, basically, if I'm
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: not mistaken Noel to Bill Cower to Mike Tomlin. I mean,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that is unbelievable. But it's not just because they've hired
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: good coaches. It's because these coaches have had great scouting
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in front offices. Okay, I mean they're handed. I don't
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: want to say they're handed good teams, but they've helped
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: build really good teams. So it's very rare that a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Steelers team does not have, you know, an excellent cores
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: at least an excellent corps. I mean, when you can
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: go from Noel to Cower Tomlin. They've had three coaches
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: head coaches since the start of nineteen sixty nine. That
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I'm miss seeing Mike Tomlin legal see if
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he resurfaces ever again. But he was a damn good coach.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So now the Steelers to me are the type of team.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Now there's two things you got to know about the Steelers,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: all right. One, they truly value somebody who understands their city,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: their football culture, and what it's like to be in
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: charge of the Western Pennsylvania the team from Western PA
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that has a lot of national following, a lot of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Steelers fans all over the place. I have talked about
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: this before on Inside the Birds podcast and on this show.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: The Steelers are very unique with their front office. They
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: tend to have a lot of guys in their front
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: office who are from Pittsburgh. Kevin Colbert, their former GM,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: was a Pittsburgh guy. Brandon Hunt, who used to work
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: there before he went to the Eagles and now he's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with the Raiders, is a Pittsburgh guy. They've had other
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guys. They've had some ruonies working in the front office. Okay,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: so they are really big on having guys who know
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the region. The Andy Whitel, who was first with Baltimore,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: then under Howie Rosen with the Eagles, and now with
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the Steelers. I know he's interviewing with the Falcons for
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: their GM job, but he is second to the GM
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: He is from Pittsburgh.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: They value it. They play a certain way. They don't
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: want to deviate. They know they have to win cold weather,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: slobber knocker type games against the Ravens, especially every November
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and December, so they're not a finesse team. They want
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to find that defensive minded coach or an offensive coach
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: who's kind of a smash mouth type of guy. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it's not surprising to me that they're interviewing Mike McCarthy.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: He is from Western Pennsylvania. He's a Pittsburgh guy. He
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is an offensive coach, but he likes to play the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: West Coast off. He likes two tight ends, he likes
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to run the ball. We know that he likes offensive balance.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy that they would look for.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But I still think that they're looking for someone to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: be their next Noles Tomlin slash Cower and be there
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: for a decade or two. And I'm not sure at
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: this point Mike McCarthy is that guy. He's not the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: oldest guy in the world, Mike McCarthy, but he's not young.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: This is not a guy who's going to grow and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: grow and grow. I mean, he's won a Super Bowl,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He's won all double digit games quite a bit. You know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he's sixty two, So could he coach till he's seventy?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Could he coach for a decade till seventy two?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's why he's getting consideration. The guy's got
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a ton of wins. He's got a sixty one percent
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: winning percentage. He has one hundred and seventy four wins,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. So he's got the credentials and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: he could probably do a pretty good job in Pittsburgh.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: But the problem is they don't have a quarterback either.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: They really have to fair and even if Aaron Rodgers
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: comes back, they don't have a future quarterback. So I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: would think that these Steelers are going to be taking
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a look at some younger candidates that they will fit
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the culture of the city. Now, I don't know who's
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: from western Pennsylvania. I'm not saying they have to hire
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a guy from Pittsburgh. I was just giving you some
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: enlightenment into what they look for in the fact that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: they have so many Pittsburgh based guys in their front office.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But if you if I had to guess in what
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: direction they would go for a head coaching candidate, I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: would guess younger than Mike McCarthy and either defensive oriented
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like maybe Vance Joseph or maybe.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Is Zero Evro.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Perhaps or they get a guy who is an offensive
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: guy but likes to run. Maybe they're waiting for Clint
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Kubiak the Seahawks oc all right, Maybe they look for
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Joe Brady, who did an excellent job with the run
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: game in Buffalo. Maybe Clay Kubiak, who is a branch
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of the Obviously the Shanahan Tree.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Would be very interesting to see who they go with.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And it's going to be a huge decision for the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: trajectory of that franchise.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: All right, And that's obviously the deal.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: With the head coaches coordinators.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the games here.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The first game Sunday, three o'clock Patriots at Broncos. The
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Patriots are three and a half point favorites, and that's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: basically because the Broncos are on their backup quarterback Jared Stidham.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Now Stidham is listen.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: That was one of the first moves that Peyton made
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: when he took over the team was getting Jared Stidham.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: So he has worked with Stidham for.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: A while now.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Stidham is going to be a
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: total failure here. I think that Peyton's going to design
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: an offense that cater's to his strengths. He doesn't have
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the greatest arm. He's not a power arm guy, but
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: he's generally accurate. He doesn't have the athletic mobility and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: motions that bon Nicks had, and that's really what helped
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: bon Nicks win fifteen I'm sorry, fourteen games, well fifteen
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: if you count the last one. But he's not a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: guy who's Stidham, who's just clueless out there and has
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: never played and is going to fall over himself. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: don't see that being the case. I think that the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: offensive staff of the Broncos is too good to allow
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that to happen. He's been in the system now since
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, which is basically I believe the year
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Peyton took over there. Like I said, it was one
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of the first moves was to bring him because he
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: was He was first with New England, then he was
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: out of the league I think, then or his injuried
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I think, and then he popped up with the Raiders
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: for a little bit. He's only played in started four games.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: He's played in twenty so this is obviously a.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Huge for him.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But the Broncos have been able to win games this year,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: even in games where Nicks has not played particularly well.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Nicks got better as the season went on, but he
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: had some horrific games first half of the year, so
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I imagine that they will run the ball. We'll see
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: what the deal is with Dobbins. I know he was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: in the practice window. I don't know if he's going
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to be able to play. Actually I think he's out.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But either way, I think they're going to run the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: ball with Harvey as much as they can. They're going
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to try to control the line of scrimmage. They're going
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to try to use the short game, the quick game,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and listen, if they have to win ugly. The Broncos
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: know that they can win ugly. Now they're facing a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Patriots team that has really passed a lot of tests.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was concerned that they were one of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the playoff teams at the start of the playoff that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: had the lowest strength of win. They were one of
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: those teams that kind of got fat on being kind
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of reminded me a little bit of the twenty seventeen Eagles.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Just beat a bunch of bad teams. But guess what,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: when the playoffs came, it didn't matter because they look great.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And obviously the Patriots I thought, I think I said
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: this last show, they've.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Won two games being uncomfortable.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: They had to play a Chargers defense that was very good,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: got them out of their comfort zone. It was close
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: for three quarters, won the game all right. Then last
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: week you gotta go play another good defense, win the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: game all right now they've got Now they've got you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the Broncos. They're probably gonna wind up playing the best
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: defenses in the League's here in back to back where
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you go from Chargers defense, Texans defense, which I thought
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was the best in the league, to Broncos defense, which
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: could make its cleim as best in the league.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But the Patriots have defeated both and now they're gonna
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: go in Denver.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Now you worry about altitude, how that might affect them
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit. That's obviously a huge advantage for the Broncos.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: The big thing is this, there's two big things about
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. They've played excellent defense lately. All right, Milton
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Williams has really stepped up in that front seven, like
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you knew he would after he left the Eagles. They
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: get good cornerback play out of Christian Gozalez. They're getting
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: good pressure, so they can make it a little ugly
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: for the Broncos offense.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: The issue that I have is that the Patriots have.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Been turning the ball over quite a bit throughout the playoffs,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and I don't think that they can survive if they
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: keep turning the ball over like that against the Broncos.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You can't give really good teams extra possessions in the playoffs.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: You just can't do it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Even a Broncos team with a backup quarterback, you can't
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And if the Patriots continue to be sloppy with the football,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and if May has thrown interceptions, are fumbling or Ramandre Stevenson,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: who's always good to put it on the ground every
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you know, ten or eleven carries, all right, if they
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: do that, d'ur in trump. Okay, if they lose the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: turnover battle, they think they're gonna lose the game. So
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a Really it's gonna be.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Who protects the ball better, who.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Comes up, who comes through on third down better. In
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that regard, you'd probably favor the Patriots. I think the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Broncos are gonna have to be ahead of schedule. They're
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: gonna play ahead of the sticks. They can't have too
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: many negative plays, can't have too many zero yard plays,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: can't take too many sacks, can't have penalties because you're
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: putting Stidham in that position where he's behind the sticks,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be good.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: One of the best things when Nick Foles took over
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for the Eagles after wins, after looking lousy in the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: last two games of the regular season, gutting out a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: win against Atlanta, then huge games against the Vikings and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Is they were caught, they would ran the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: ball really well. You know, you had a Jaie and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you had blunt, you were able to move the chains
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: with zach Ertz. I mean, they were just methodically able
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to move the ball, and then they would strike it big,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the big big the fleet flickers, right, you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: have Tory Smith and you're getting al Sean Deep. Those
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: all come after you move the ball with the.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Run game really well. And that's why I think the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Broncos will try to do that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: They have to stay ahead of schedule, the Broncos to
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: have a chance, and if they can pop a big
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: play here and there, probably not gonna happen too much,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: but if they can, that'll benefit them. The Patriots, they
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: have lived all year long on the shot play, on
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the big pop play, and there has been a I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: telling you, the May to Steph Diggs connection has been really,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: really potent. And May is not afraid to throw this
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: ball in the tight windows. And he's gonna have to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: because those guys on the Broncos in the front seven
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: can come at you very very quickly. Benito is great,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Cooper's great, Franklin Meyer's good, Zach Allen's good. I mean
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: they got horses, and then of course they have great
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: players in the secondary.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think this game. The total is forty two
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's right about right, and it would not
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: surprise me if it was played under forty two and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a half.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: This could be.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: This to me, has got like, you know, twenty seventeen
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: type of finish to it. I just I just don't
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: see either team if it gets out of hand. It's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: because the Broncos just couldn't compete with the backup quarterback.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: The Patriots took advantage of maybe some turnovers turn them
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: into easy touchdowns, hit a deep one here or there
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that you weren't expecting because the Broncos defense was asked
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to be too much. I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: But if there's a blowout, it's gonna be on the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Patriots side. I think it's gonna be close. I think
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it'll be a really close game. No surprise. The Patriots
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: are three and a half way favorites. That shows you
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: gets close even though they're on the road. It'll be interesting.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to know what the line would
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: have been if Nicks was playing in the game.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I suspect the Broncos would have been favored. I don't know.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Both teams were fourteen and three would have been obviously
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: in Denver, and like I said, that's a huge advantage
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: for the Broncos when they're at home. The six thirty
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: game Rams Seahawks and listen. I heard some people talking
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: about this on a podcast, and they're probably right. I
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: don't know in the recent twenty or thirty year history
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: of the NFL if there has been a three game series,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: meaning to you know, two division rivals who played each
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: other really well and tightly during the regular season and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: both were awesome teams, and then they met in the
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: conference championship game. There have been some really good Eagles.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Giants games throughout the years. Three game series? Is there?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Not so much with the Cowboys.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I know they played the Cowboys in twenty ten, but
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: those were lopsided games that were not good for the Eagles.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe back in the day there were some few. There
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: probably could have been a few but in general it's
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: hard to find. I remember Seahawks Niners NFC championship game
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the year I think twenty thirteen, and that was when
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Seattle won the NFC Championship game, and I heard Richard
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Sherman crowing at the end of the game about Michael
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Krabtree being a sorry receiver and had to shut him down.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And I think he had a big pass breakup in
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that game against Crabtree. But I don't remember how the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: regular season games between those two went. This Ram Seahawks
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: series has been absolutely fantastic from start to finish, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: this one has all the makings of another just another
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: great one. You know, if you look at the two
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: games that played in the regular season, the Seahawks won
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: thirty eight to thirty seven in Week sixteen. That was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing game, a huge comeback win for the Seahawks,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: really sparked by a punt return touchdown from Shaheed that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: cleared the way for a Rams implosion. And then when
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: they met in Week eleven, the Rams won the game
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: twenty one nineteen, and I believe that I think Myers
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: might have missed.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: A field goal in that game. If I'm not mistaken
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the kicker for.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: The The kicker for the Seahawks might have missed a
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: field goal in that game. I don't know if it
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was the last play of the game, I don't remember. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: he missed a sixty one yard fueld goal with one
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: set with as time expired. So talk about two freaking
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: amazing games. And now these teams meet in the NFC
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Championship Game, chance to go to the Super Bowl. Can't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: really ask for anything more. Love the coaching matchup. You
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: got two guys who were Coach of the Year candidates.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: McVeigh for his offense, Mike McDonald for his defense. McDonald
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: will probably he should be coach of the.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Year, to be honest.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: He did an amazing job with that defense and just
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: that overall team. And remember it was his decision to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: move on from his offensive coordinator after one year and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: then bring in Clint Kubiak, who's done a great job
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: as the offensive coordinator.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: So really truly.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: A great coaching job top to bottom. Now, remember this,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the Seahawk lost Zach Charbonne, their second running back, to
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: an injury. He's out and their left tackle is gonna play,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: but he's been beat up they're not. It's not playing
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: great and he's gonna have to go up against Jared
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: versus a lot. So that is certainly Charles Cross. Something
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to watch when you're watching the trenches is how Charles
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Cross plays. I know he's able to practice and he
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: was cleared and I think he's off the injury report,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: but he's been battling something. So we'll just be interesting
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: to watch. And the loss of charbon Ay. You know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: they've had a really they've had They've struggled to run
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: at times this year. At times they did a good
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: job in the Rams game or no, the Niners game.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: They were able to resurrect it when they played them
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in the season finale with the number one seed on
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the line. It's a nice one two combo and Sharbona
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: is good in pass protection and blitz pick up. So
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the Rams don't blitz a lot, but they have at time.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: They certainly did against the Eagles more so than we thought.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: They find times that they think are really good to
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: send pressure. And I guarantee you Krashua, the defensive coordinator
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: for the Rams, We'll look at this and say, I
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: may have some more opportunities to pressure Sam Darnold, who
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: himself is dealing with a bad oblique to the point
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: where he hasn't been taking full practice reps for a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Right, I may.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Find time to dial up some pressures and take advantage
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of the fact that their best running back in blitz
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: pick up is not in the game.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And if you're in a game.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Like this that's probably going to be decided by three
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: or less, like the first two.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Games this year, any little advantage helps.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: The Seahawks are playing fantastically, but I don't think the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Rams obviously will be scared. I mean, Stafford certainly won't be.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: They run the ball really well with Kyrien Williams and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Blake Korum. You know, I was looking for more DeVante
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Adams in that Chicago game. He made a huge, huge
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: catch in the fourth quarter, a sliding catch while he
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: was going out of bounds but just kept self inbounds.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I think that was either the third or fourth down
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: catch that wound up playing a big role. I'd like
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to see him play a bigger.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Role in this game for the Rams. We'll see.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Interestingly, the Rams played more eleven personnel against the Bears.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: They had been playing thirteen personnel out the wazoo. They
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: have been playing tight ends like crazy. They must have
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: seen something in what the Bears were doing defensively to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: decide they were gonna play a lot more eleven personnel,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: plus having DeVonta Adams back. Of course you're gonna do
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: that as well. I thought maybe more twelve, but they
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: went straight to eleven. They put three receivers on the
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: field quite a bit. We'll see if they do that
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: against the Seahawks. I would think they go back to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: playing more twelve. I don't know if thirteen with both
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: having Nikua and DeVonta Adams, I don't know if you're
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: gonna see that as much. You might just to take
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: some mileage off Davante in this game when you're between
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the twenties. But I'm very, very interested to see how
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: McVeigh this third time around chooses to go about attacking
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense that has played just lights out all
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: year long. I think it's gonna be a fantastic game.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's blowing anybody out here. I think
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a chess match, it's gonna be cat
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and mouse. It's going to be a game. I could
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: see the lead changing a couple of different times. I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: would favor the Rams because of their experience. I know
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that the Seahawks are a two and a half point favorite,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but I would favor the Rams because you know, they've
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: got Stafford and the Seahawks have Darnold. And I don't
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: want to make it as simplistic as that, but I
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: think you can if you want to. At the beginning
• 48:41
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• 48:44
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• 48:47
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• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I had the Broncos versus the Rams, and I'm gonna
• 48:55
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• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I said earlier in the week that I was leaning
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: towards Seattle because it's just been playing so impressively and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: they're so hard to beat. But I think it doesn't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: benefit them to play a team that has seen them
• 49:08
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• 49:11
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• 49:21
  Speaker 1: playing any other team that was the non NFC West team.
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• 49:30
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• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a Rams Broncos super Bowl. So the nightmare scenario I
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: was telling you guys all about from a coverage a
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: media coverage standpoint is to me the most likely scenario
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  Speaker 1: and the one that I'm picking for the Super Bowl
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Rams first, Broncos.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for the Inside the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Birds NFL Conference Championship preview. As I tell you every week,
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  Speaker 1: enjoy your football watching. Talk to you on the next one.