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@TheRagingAtheistNok No Hate Biblical Homosexuality @ProverbsGuy Young Earth Trinity /w Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Baby sneezing, Mommy pleases. Daddy freezes in.
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  So good on paper, so romantic. It's so bewildering.
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  I know. Nothing stays the same, but if
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  you're willing to play the game, it's coming around again.
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  So don't mind if I fall apart. The small room in a broken
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  heart. Heavy.
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  The grosser fix, the toaster. Kiss the host, go back.
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  Then you break a window, burn us to play, Scream.
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  I know nothing stays the same, but if you're willing to play
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  the game, it's coming around again so don't mind if I fall
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  apart. There's more room in a broken
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  heart and I believe in love, but what else can I do?
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  I'm so in love with you. I know nothing stays the same,
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  but if you're willing to play the game, it will be coming
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  around again. I believe in love.
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  Come around again, coming around again and nothing stays the
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  same. But if you're willing to play
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  the game, it will be coming around again.
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  I believe in love. I believe in love.
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  It's coming around again, coming around again, and nothing stays
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  the same. But if you're willing to play
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  the game, it will be coming around again.
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  I do believe, I do believe. I believe in love.
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  I believe in love. Coming around again, coming
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  around and come. So where did all this energy in
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  space come from? The answer was found after
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  decades of work by scientists, space and energy.
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  Was spontaneously created in an event we now call The Big Bang.
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  At the moment of The Big Bang, an entire universe full of
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  energy came into existence, and within Spain it all inflated
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  just like a balloon being blown up.
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  So where did all this energy and space come from?
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  How does an entire universe full of energy, the awesome vastness
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  of space, and everything in it simply appear out of nothing?
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  The sun? This is where God comes back
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  into the picture. Soldiers, don't give yourselves
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  to brutes. Men who despise you, enslave
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  you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to
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  think of what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you like
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  cattle, use you as cannon fodder.
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  Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men with
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  machine minds and machine hearts.
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  You are not machines. You are not cattle.
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  You are men. You have the love of humanity in
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  your hearts. You don't hate.
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  Only the unloved hate, the unloved and the unnatural
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  soldiers. Don't fight for slavery, fight
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  for liberty. In the 17th chapter of Saint
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  Lucas written the Kingdom of Goddess within man.
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  Not one man, nor a group of men, but in all men in you, you the
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  people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to
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  create happiness. You, the people have the power
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  to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a
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  wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy,
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  let us choose that power. Let us all unite.
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  Let us. Fight for a new world, a decent
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  world that will give men a chance to work, that will give
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  you the future and old age and security.
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  Like the promise of these things, brutes have risen to
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  power, but they lie. They do not fulfill that
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  promise. They never will.
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  Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people.
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  Now let us fight to fulfill that promise.
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  Let us fight to free the world, to go away with national
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  barriers, to go away with greed, with hate and intolerance.
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  Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science
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  and progress will lead to all men's happiness.
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  Soldiers, in the name of democracy, let us all unite.
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  Have to believe in. Your magic Don't let your aim in
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  the street. Well, hello ladies and
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  gentlemen. My name is Brett Keen and you
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  are watching and listening to the Brett Keen Show.
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  I hope you're all having a wonderful day out there.
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  Some of you are probably wondering what happened to the
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  7:00 PM show. Well, I was trying something
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  new. I was trying to stream using OBS
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  and study using stream yards or any other kind of software.
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  And I thought, man, if I could get this to work, I could do
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  some really, really neat stuff and I'd be able to change up the
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  quality of my audio and video and all that kind of stuff.
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  Basically I was getting excited. I thought I had the whole wide
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  world right in my hands, but unfortunately.
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  Although my video card ain't too bad and my computer's rocking
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  well, it's a decade old computer, but it's got upgrades
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  to it and such, so I tried to use it.
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  Unfortunately OBS and the streaming softwares, they
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  require good Internet connection and that's what I'm lacking.
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  I have low Internet connection standard, just enough to be able
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  to watch a movie or TV show, but.
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  Not to be running this, or at least running this as well as
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  somebody watching TV and another person using the computer and
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  the household, same household using up the Internet.
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  So that's what I found myself then.
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  Sad, huh? Yeah, so we're stuck using this,
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  but I can do some nice things with it, so it's all good.
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  I see the Kaylin pack is out there.
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  I don't know why she hasn't joined the room yet.
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  I seen Rex earlier. He knows I do like an
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  introduction thing before I, you know, come out and start
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  chatting. You're going to come in.
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  The link is out there, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to
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  chat. I don't like doing live
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  broadcast where I just sit here and Babble on incoherently.
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  I will talk for a while. But I don't do three hours or
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  even 2 hours or even close to that all by myself.
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  So if you guys want to show the work and function, then you
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  better click the link, come in and actually hang out with me
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  and do some chat. And because that's why I do this
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  thing, so I can talk to you and listen to your stories and
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  listen to your life and find out what you're about.
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  And. Know a whole sharing and
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  communicating back and forth type of thing.
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  That's what I'm into. Well, while I'm waiting for you
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  to figure out if you know how to click a link and come in and
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  know how to use your microphone in the year 2023.
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  And I guess I'll tell you guys a little bit about what I've been
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  seeing going on in the world. Recently I made two videos about
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  Starfield and how my computer almost blew up while trying to
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  play it. I bought the $100 premium
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  edition and that damn thing just killed me.
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  It was horrible. Hey, it's Mr. Captain Stump.
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  Goodness gracious. Hey Mr. Stump.
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  I was just whining and crying about my computer not being able
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  to handle Starfield a moment ago.
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  Have you even heard of that game before?
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  Is that that one that's like a? Star Trek type thing with like
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  fast universe. You could travel around the
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  spaceships. I think something like that.
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  I think that's the one. Yeah, it's supposed to be a big
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  revolutionary game. And I about a year ago, I found
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  out the minimum requirements for it.
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  So I went to my computer guy and I said, dude put in a video card
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  that can handle this thing. And he said all right, so he
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  took a couple $100 from me. The game comes out and the video
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  card doesn't work for it. So I I was very tempted to
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  slapping him in the mouth. I definitely fired him, but
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  yeah, and he he wasn't going to refund me my money either.
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  So that's how it is, you know, you got to turn the other cheek,
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  love your enemy and all that kind of stuff.
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  I can't believe he goofed me. I've been good to that, man.
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  That's the nature of falling, falling, man.
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  Sometimes they either mess up or they mess up on purpose.
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  Who knows? But it wasn't.
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  The memory wasn't big enough. That's what it is.
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  I'm not a computer guy, but memory wasn't big enough.
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  It can't process the game. The game set at 4K and all, but
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  Oh my goodness so yeah it was it was falling apart on me, just no
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  good. Well my son though, a while back
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  I got him an Xbox S and he brought it over and we tried out
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  the game on his machine and it seemed to work out this fine.
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  Is that the real knock? Hold on a second, Is that the
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  real? Not that in the trouble, is it?
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  Hey, what's up man? Oh hey man, let me go ahead and
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  put this up on the screen, all right?
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  You getting on camera? You going to show something
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  beautiful in the live stream? Or you.
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  I was going to, but then I realized I don't have my camera
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  hooked up. So yeah, just be my avatar.
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  All right. What you up to, man?
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  Are you still a theist or things gotten to you?
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  No, you know, definitely still a baby theist.
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  I just don't know what you know, I I don't even I I don't even
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  really like to use the term God because I think it's a human
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  conception of of the word. I know when like.
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  When I use the word people think automatically assume I'm I'm
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  talking about the Christian God or their personal God or
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  whatever. And it's like, now did I, I
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  whatever's out there, I think is a natural thing.
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  You know, it's. I think it's a result of the
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  universe, not the cause of it. So yeah, but yeah, I definitely
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  am a baby theist. I just don't know what yet.
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  Well, I'm wondering when you're going to get the rumors flying
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  about you. I got them for six years because
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  that's how long I've been a theist.
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  The first rumor was Brent is suffering from some kind of
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  brain malfunction. He's retarded or something.
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  Or he hit his head on the toilet or something.
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  I've gotten that a bit, yeah. You got that one already?
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  Oh yeah, What about this one? So knock how many times you're
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  going to change your view and all that?
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  I've been asked that a million times.
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  What's your thoughts? Oh yeah, I've gotten that a bit.
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  But I don't really blame people for that one, because I did.
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  You know, I I for the last the last six months that I was
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  actually straining. Seriously, I'd I'd say I was
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  kind of flip flopping back and forth, You know, I was really
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  looking hard at Buddhism. Then I I proclaimed myself an
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  agnostic, you know, And then I I went hardcore atheism again and
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  then I I, you know, became this baby theist.
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  I had my little personal experience that I had or
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  whatever. So yeah, I mean, I I definitely
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  don't blame people for that one. Because it's it's rather
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  accurate. My buddy Adam Lore has been
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  staying away from the Internet for a while now because just a
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  couple weeks ago he turned into a theist and he's taking a lot
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  of heat over that himself. Just a few weeks ago, 10 years
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  he's been was an atheist and this gracious stump.
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  Are you familiar with Brother Not?
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  I am not. I'm not a hardcore atheist.
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  Yeah. He was the hardcore atheist.
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  Yeah, the raging atheist. I was the raging.
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  Atheist. Oh, raging atheist.
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  I've heard that name. I maybe by face I'd recognize,
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  but OK, you can turn into a theist.
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  Wonderful, Wonderful. He's now the raging he's now the
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  raging badass theist. Yeah, yeah, I was getting the
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  raging Buddhist for a while. I know Ger calls me like the
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  raging agnostic or something. It's it's kind of funny.
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  Why would he call you agnostic? Why would he call you agnostic?
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  For that means that you don't have knowledge either way.
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  Yeah, well, it's because I I claimed you, I I, I did adopt
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  agnosticism as my philosophical point there for a while.
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  I'm trying to get out of my heart, Atheist.
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  I'm trying to. You know, my main goal before I
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  had my personal experience was, you know, I wanted, I wanted to
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  stop being raging. I wanted to start being more
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  accepting. You know, I'm never going to
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  even change my politics, but I even wanted to be more accepting
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  with opposing politics. You know, and and Brett, you
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  know, you, you know how how visceral I could get when it
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  come to politics and how divisive I could get.
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  So like I I was just trying to be open minded and and have a.
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  I don't know a better philosophical view on it, but
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  then, you know, I ended up just kind of slipping right back into
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  the hard atheism old habits are kind of hard to get rid of.
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  I hear you there. What do you think that happens
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  to you for? I don't know.
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  You know, I know like two years ago Khalil Allah trapped me
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  philosophically. In a Richard Matson room and you
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  know I lost my shit look kind of like I do sometimes.
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  But what it did is when I woke up the next day, I I'm, you
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  know, I I made it. I made a vow to myself like I'm
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  not going to be caught like that again.
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  That I'm going to actually Start learning some philosophy.
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  Started reading the classics which a lot of people criticize
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  me. Said I I should have started
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  modern. But I really I wanted to to
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  start at the beginning of philosophy and work my way up.
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  And I've I've pretty much done that over the last couple years.
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  I'm still by no means an expert, but I I think I definitely have
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  a a better ontology, a better, I don't know just philosophical
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  view of the world than I did before.
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  And it's a it's a work in progress.
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  You know, I I think the best thing that I've done is kind of
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  step away the last few months like I have because it it
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  allowed me the time to think instead of just talk.
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  Yeah, you've been away for a while.
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  I haven't seen you seen you in my live rooms.
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  You know one thing about me? It was it was difficult for me
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  to make the transition to in the beginning.
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  But luckily for me, besides getting theist to support me and
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  all that, and I'm talking about like emotionally and spiritually
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  not, you know, dropping me a check or anything.
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  Conservatives are selfish. You're right about that.
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  I'm just dead. Well, I think both sides are,
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  honestly. But it was it.
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  I have given credit to non believers.
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  They were so damn cruel to me back then.
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  Whenever I was having my view change that, they kind of helped
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  encourage me to stay on my path on that for sure.
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  So I got to think the Thea stand non believers for that.
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  Well, and I I can see that, you know, like I've had some really
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  great people stick by me. You know, what I call my core
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  has kind of they don't really care, you know what I am.
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  They don't care that I don't play for the same team anymore
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  or whatever, and they still support me fully.
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  But so many flip the script, you know, like, I can't tell you how
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  many times I've been compared to you, Brett.
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  That's what they do, yeah. It makes me think, you know, all
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  those things I've heard about Brett Keen.
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  How much of it is actually true Because they did this?
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  Not all, you know, not all. Like a lot of great atheists
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  stuck by me. Chris from hereticals.
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  You know Oz, as hardcore atheist as he is, he's he's been totally
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  cool with me. You know secular Peg and mom
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  Cahova, CPA, so many Brie. But then but there's been so
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  many others that just just level accusations at you.
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  Oh, you're a grifter this and you're that.
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  And you're it's like, you know, it's like, no, I just, I had an
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  experience that I can't explain away rationally.
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  And then once I had started to explain it away rationally, once
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  I had stuffed it back into my naturalistic worldview, other
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  shit happened. You know, it.
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  The universe was trying to give me a message, and when I was
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  ignoring it, it went out of its way to give it to me again.
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  And I'm not going to ignore that just because I had a lack of
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  belief in a God. It would to me, it would be
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  foolish to ignore it. How do you feel about that,
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  Mister Stump? Did you go through anything like
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  that or have you always been a faith-based man yourself?
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  Well, I wasn't raised in any type of faith, but I've always
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  knew something was going on besides what we see in front of
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  our natural eyes. I know there was more to this
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  world than what we see for whatever reason.
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  But rage and atheist, I'd like to ask what experience that was
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  brought to you. And it's interesting point.
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  You don't actually say there's a creator type God, but you say
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  there's a result of nature type God.
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  Yeah. Well, I I I think my, my opinion
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  on it is that you know it it's the universe is sentient and it
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  has a mind and it has a plan. But for me personally, you know,
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  I I I'd gotten into a really dark place.
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  I I wasn't working. Chronic pain had kind of taken
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  over my life. I hadn't worked for well over a
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  year, probably close to a year and a half.
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  I was losing everything. I was losing my home.
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  I was losing my possessions. I was possibly going to lose my
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  child. I was probably going to have to
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  send my child to her mother's when I had taken care of her her
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  entire life. And I fought so hard to get
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  custody and and I talked about it in a video.
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  But I had this really at the real experience, just sitting on
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  my couch. I don't call it a voice, but a
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  feeling overtook me. I was the only way to describe
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  it was teleported in my past. I saw a very particular memory
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  that was more than a memory. It was too vivid to just be a
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  memory. It felt like I was there, even
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  though it also felt like I was still sitting on my own couch.
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  It forced, like, I immediately changed my life.
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  I immediately started fighting against the pain.
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  I got a job. I kept a job.
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  I worked outrageous hours. And then, you know, I had
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  stuffed it all back into my naturalistic worldview.
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  Kind of like the explanation I just gave you, you know, I think
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  that the universe is sentient. I think it's a natural process,
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  blah, blah, blah. I I stuffed it all back into my
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  naturalistic worldview. And then I had other stuff
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  happen that just went out of its way to to kind of like scream at
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  me hey, no, wake up, dude. And and you're you're exactly
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  right. And it's not so much that it's
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  not what we don't see, it's what we just don't know.
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  We human beings are stuck on a planet flying throughout our
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  space, but it's a very miniscule atom of the the entire universe.
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  And we think that we know so much and we sit in our
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  perspectives and we think that we know everything.
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  But we don't. I I know I did it for the last
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  six years on YouTube, you know, talking to people about how
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  they're wrong. And I'm right.
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  And honestly, none of us are right.
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  None of it. We only know the very limited
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  information that we've been able to gather on this planet.
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  When you consider the the infinite size of the universe,
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  and I say infinite, even though it's not infinite in the
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  philosophical terms, but to us the size of it is so massive it
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  might as well be infinite. We know nothing.
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  And that was my ultimate conclusion is how can I sit here
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  condemn everybody for their beliefs when I don't even know
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  what the hell is going on? By the way, I've been really
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  curious. I heard you there and Mr.
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  Something said Amen and Amen, definitely that for sure.
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  I'm curious how is your health been been worried about you on
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  that it's better you know I've I've I've giving up the weed I I
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  feel a little bit healthier I'm gonna give up the cigarettes I
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  got another plan. Sunday is my quit day again.
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  My legs still suck but you know like I'm overcoming the pain
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  like I I find strength where I didn't have it before and you
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  know I I only I don't take the credit for that.
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  I I I think that something's guiding me to that because I
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  like I said for a year and a half I couldn't do it.
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  So whatever that thing is, I'm grateful to it.
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  But I'm overcoming it and I I think it's getting better.
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  I think being active, I'm losing weight.
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  I've lost £50. I I'm, I feel healthier and I my
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  legs feel healthier, but I still deal with the chronic pain.
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  So you you said that you believe that the universe is alive.
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  Are you also kind of incorporating pantheism?
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  I mean in in a way I I know I've looked at several definitions of
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  it. I think that is probably comes
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  close there for a while. I I consider myself anonymous,
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  you know, like and I still think that part of it, like I think
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  that every religion in the world has been influenced by something
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  out, you know, out in that universe that that we can't
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  understand right now. So I think that there's a little
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  bit of truth in all of these religions and I think that they
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  pretty much all come from the same source.
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  But I also believe that there's a lot of human untruth in these
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  religions as well. So yeah, I'm, I haven't really
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  been able to label it outside of the fact that, you know, like
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  I'm just, I'm, I'm trying to be open.
• 26:56
  And if it, you know, if it is a a just deity, whatever that
• 27:02
  deity might be, I think it would be pretty cool with it.
• 27:06
  See, I have a kind of the same belief whenever it comes to the
• 27:10
  truth can be found in a lot of things, and I know Mr. Stump may
• 27:14
  get on to me for this, but give me a moment and I'll explain.
• 27:18
  I feel like God has interacted. I'll just call it God.
• 27:22
  I know that you use like a different word on this knock,
• 27:25
  but I believe that God's interacted with many different
• 27:28
  different groups of people throughout time.
• 27:30
  People who have had pain, suffering, people looking for
• 27:34
  guidance, everything else. And I believe it's simply
• 27:37
  because of the language change and diversity.
• 27:40
  Why it is God has been given all these different names.
• 27:44
  If you're Chinese or Japanese, the name you're going to have
• 27:47
  for God is going to be different than someone who's in America.
• 27:51
  You get my point. Well, yeah, and and I mean you
• 27:54
  can go as far back and I don't. I know a lot of people would
• 27:56
  argue with me with about this, especially atheist would, but I
• 28:02
  think that there's actual archaeological evidence of this,
• 28:06
  and probably in Homo sapiens, most primitive time.
• 28:12
  In our earliest times we were animist.
• 28:16
  I've noticed, like I've seen a lot of atheists saying what I've
• 28:19
  said for so long. You know, things like, you know,
• 28:22
  religion is just about control or belief in God is just about
• 28:25
  controlling people. And I'm like, well, was it
• 28:27
  control when human beings were at one with nature and we
• 28:31
  worshiped animals as our gods? You know, the biggest evidence
• 28:35
  for something out there, something, the great mystery I
• 28:38
  like to call it, is the fact that human beings have always
• 28:42
  believed in that great mystery. Whatever it is, they've always
• 28:44
  sought the answers to it. And you know, atheists always
• 28:49
  want answers. I always wanted answers.
• 28:51
  And I think that that's really the only answer we can get at
• 28:54
  this point is there's got to be something to the fact that human
• 28:56
  beings have always believed in something, you know, well before
• 29:00
  Jesus came along, well before Muhammad came along or or Gandhi
• 29:06
  or the Buddha or, you know, just any anybody that might have
• 29:13
  contributed to the start of religion.
• 29:16
  Human beings were believing in something, you know?
• 29:19
  And to me that that's that's great evidence that there's just
• 29:22
  so much that we just don't know. And I think we like to sit in
• 29:26
  our knowledge and and and feel superior because of that.
• 29:30
  And I I think it's a human trait.
• 29:32
  I think it's natural. I'm not condemning anybody for
• 29:34
  it. But I think if we want to be
• 29:35
  sophisticated, we need to rise above that.
• 29:38
  And thankfully, at the age of 46, I'm finally starting to do
• 29:41
  it. You know, I I think that one of
• 29:44
  the reasons why you and I take a lot of heat from some atheists
• 29:48
  for our transition changes because they're simply not in
• 29:51
  the same position as we are. They might have questioned.
• 29:54
  They might have asked, but a lot of them are not fathers.
• 29:58
  A lot of them are young people. They don't know what it's like
• 30:01
  to be responsible for someone and to work until you're damn
• 30:05
  you know, nails are digging into your skin and all that.
• 30:08
  They don't know what it's like to actually see real suffering
• 30:12
  and pain. And then see a light at the end
• 30:14
  of the tunnel. And maybe it's not their fault
• 30:17
  or whatever, but I just wish people would have more of an
• 30:20
  open heart and open mind instead of quickly jump on the oh, you
• 30:23
  don't have my label anymore so I don't love you attitude that's
• 30:27
  that's so weak. It's so shallow.
• 30:29
  Yeah, I I agree. And and you know, I think I
• 30:35
  became aware of how cruel I was and once I was able to become
• 30:40
  aware of how cruel I was because you know, I I like to sit in my
• 30:43
  on my pedestal and talk about how morally superior I was.
• 30:47
  I mean the hell the whole the whole thing was Smokey before
• 30:50
  Smokey ever went and did what he did with with whatever was, you
• 30:54
  know, when we were doing battle is my whole point was to stand
• 30:58
  on the moral high ground and I was able to do it for a long
• 31:00
  time. But, you know, once I was able
• 31:04
  to see just how cruel I was being with people, I think it
• 31:07
  opened me up and I was able to see how cruel other people are
• 31:10
  being with people. And, you know, I've been able to
• 31:13
  experience it. And honestly, I I kind of
• 31:16
  welcome it when, when, when it happens, you know, I put this
• 31:19
  post on Facebook the other day just referencing a, you know,
• 31:23
  kind of this, this Buddhist mantra be like water.
• 31:27
  And I in that post I talked about living water, right?
• 31:30
  And I know you probably recognize the reference from the
• 31:33
  Bible. It's most famous in the Bible
• 31:35
  when Jesus talks about the living water, he's talking about
• 31:38
  God's salvation. But he references living water.
• 31:40
  And I referenced it in this Buddhist mantra about be like
• 31:45
  water and how water it adapts it.
• 31:47
  It changes. Water can be alive, you know?
• 31:51
  And a couple atheists started coming at me really hard and
• 31:54
  they they're mocking me in it. For one, I was like, dude, do
• 31:57
  you not understand what a metaphor is, right?
• 31:58
  Like, I'm not literally saying waters alive.
• 32:01
  Like, it's not sitting there breathing, but it's like the
• 32:05
  same metaphor as saying we live it on a living planet, right?
• 32:08
  Like who knows that the planet is alive?
• 32:10
  I like to think that it is, but we don't know if the planet is
• 32:13
  an actual living thing, right? But we, we call it a living
• 32:17
  planet. And the same is, it's the same
• 32:19
  for water, right? Water is teeming with light.
• 32:22
  That bacteria in that water is alive.
• 32:25
  All those creatures in that water is alive.
• 32:26
  That fungus. That algae, the the coral reefs
• 32:30
  I mean. But they don't see that like
• 32:33
  it's it's just automatically point the finger and you not on
• 32:36
  my team anymore. Let me bring you down as much as
• 32:39
  I can bring you down. I'm like dog you can't bring me
• 32:41
  down because I'm I'm actually pretty comfortable on my skin
• 32:44
  now. You know like you're not gonna
• 32:47
  get me raging on you. I might I might have a little
• 32:49
  fun with you but you're not gonna give me raging on you
• 32:51
  anymore because I'm I'm comfortable with where I'm at.
• 32:53
  I like myself again, and I didn't before.
• 32:56
  And I'm not saying all atheists don't like themselves, but I
• 32:58
  certainly didn't. I don't understand what the
• 33:01
  problem is with the water concept.
• 33:03
  I mean, even if someone didn't believe in God, if you believe
• 33:08
  that everything evolved from the water, you have to believe
• 33:11
  there's essences of life even within the water itself in order
• 33:15
  for things like without water there's no life.
• 33:19
  But even like the reference of living water is a known
• 33:22
  reference, like I said, it's most known in the Bible.
• 33:26
  Jesus uses it twice. But even outside of that I've
• 33:29
  read a lot of books and if you actually read books and not not
• 33:32
  the water, you'll get and and not just watch the movie, you
• 33:36
  know, you'll get, you'll get a lot more from those books.
• 33:39
  You'll get the thoughts and you'll get references.
• 33:41
  And you know, like I can remember like a river runs
• 33:43
  through it talks about how the river was alive, right.
• 33:46
  And and I've been canoeing and I've been down whitewater
• 33:50
  Rapids, and I don't think anybody that's had that
• 33:53
  experience could tell you that it's not alive, right?
• 33:57
  In a sense of the word. I'm not.
• 33:59
  Again, it's not like saying it's a living creature, but alive
• 34:04
  doesn't just mean living. It's also can be, like I said, a
• 34:08
  metaphor. It can be an adjective.
• 34:10
  We use words in in many different ways.
• 34:13
  But you want to get stuck on that one thing and think you
• 34:15
  have your hot aha moment with the former raging atheist.
• 34:18
  You're gonna make make me look like a damn fool and all you're
• 34:21
  really doing is just showing your own cruelty.
• 34:24
  You need to recognize that people get mad at me because I
• 34:26
  talk about how I was bigoted against Christians, and I think
• 34:29
  a lot of atheists are, and I'm being I'm being honest about it
• 34:32
  now, but they automatically assume I'm talking about them.
• 34:35
  No, if you if you're not bigoted, I'm not talking to you.
• 34:39
  But if you're getting defensive, maybe you should look at
• 34:41
  yourself. By the way, I'm looking around
• 34:47
  and I don't see where your other YouTube channel is.
• 34:50
  You didn't get rid of it, did you?
• 34:52
  What the raging? Well, I see the raging atheist.
• 34:56
  But you, I believe you said a while back on live broadcast
• 35:00
  that you were going to be doing a different channel.
• 35:02
  To get away from that type of thing.
• 35:04
  I don't know if you changed your mind.
• 35:06
  No. It's rage to reason.
• 35:08
  You know I dabbled with it a little bit but I I stepped away
• 35:11
  a couple months ago so I haven't done anything new.
• 35:13
  But it should still be there. Unless still it's still there
• 35:17
  Rage to reason. Yeah it's it's at 150 Subs.
• 35:20
  But I yeah, it's been over a month since I've done anything
• 35:22
  on it. I never.
• 35:24
  It's been a transition because even on rage to reason, when the
• 35:30
  whole point was to try not to be the raging atheist anymore, I
• 35:33
  caught myself slipping back. Like like when you when you when
• 35:37
  you come on this platform, you know, it's really easy to be who
• 35:41
  you've always been. I kind of got to give you props
• 35:44
  for that because, you know, you started as an atheist and you
• 35:47
  were able to flip that script. You know me when I stream, and
• 35:52
  especially if I'm in control of the stream, it's different.
• 35:54
  Like if I'm here having a conversation like we're having
• 35:57
  right now. But like if I'm in control of
• 35:58
  the stream, then I find myself slipping right back into it and
• 36:02
  I'll after the streams over, I'm like, you know, I haven't
• 36:05
  changed at all. So that that's the main reason I
• 36:08
  haven't really done anything with it is you know what?
• 36:11
  I I truly want it to be a different channel than the
• 36:14
  raging atheist was. And if, if that's going to
• 36:16
  happen, I got to give it enough time to where I'm not the same
• 36:19
  person that I was. And it's not so easy to slip
• 36:22
  back into those old routines and let's just make fun of the
• 36:25
  theists. No.
• 36:27
  If I do it, if I'm gonna make fun of, you know, if, if I'm
• 36:30
  gonna make fun of things. I need to be an equal
• 36:32
  opportunist and I need to be able to point at atheism and and
• 36:36
  and with the same harshness, right?
• 36:39
  Like so. But I don't want to do that.
• 36:41
  I don't want it to be harsh. I wanted.
• 36:43
  I want it to be a place where I can build things up, build
• 36:46
  people up. And I can't do that if I'm
• 36:48
  slipping back into my hard atheism.
• 36:50
  So you know, when I do come back to YouTube it will be that
• 36:54
  Channel and but it will be different than anything I've
• 36:58
  ever done before. Well, the reason why I was
• 37:01
  looking around for your link is I, you know, whenever I finish
• 37:05
  my live streams, I like to put people's YouTube thing, the at
• 37:09
  yadda yadda yadda so people can click on it and go visit their
• 37:13
  channel and see what they're doing.
• 37:14
  But I think that's great. I think that's really
• 37:17
  responsible, intelligent. You're trying to keep yourself
• 37:19
  out of the fire. So you can stably think about
• 37:23
  your position and where you're going from here on out.
• 37:26
  Just, yeah, there was one time on your.
• 37:29
  Mouth. Sorry.
• 37:30
  When people start running their mouth at you and all that, just
• 37:32
  think about the beautiful things in your life.
• 37:36
  Think about, Hey, I've got a fantastic daughter.
• 37:38
  Ain't none of these jackasses paying my bills?
• 37:41
  Oh yeah. The hell are they to talk to me
• 37:43
  like that type of attitude? And that's what I do.
• 37:47
  You know, I I, I try you, you know, my whole thing is I don't
• 37:49
  want to get offended. You know, I might I might get a
• 37:51
  little sarcastic with somebody on my Facebook comments, but you
• 37:54
  know, I I truly don't get offended by any of it because I
• 37:57
  did the same thing for so long. Like I can't knock any of them
• 38:00
  for for being the way that they are because I was the same exact
• 38:03
  way I was probably worse. So I I often say I was probably
• 38:06
  one of the most vitriolic atheist on YouTube.
• 38:09
  Like I definitely wasn't afraid to talk shit and to to go out of
• 38:13
  bounds. You know, I I don't think I ever
• 38:16
  really took it on a personal level unless people took it on a
• 38:19
  personal level with me. But still, like, you know, I I I
• 38:22
  think that, you know it's funny because I've mentioned this a
• 38:26
  couple times for six years as the raging atheist, I had all
• 38:30
  these atheists telling me how how I went too far.
• 38:33
  You know, I would I would say things like all babies are
• 38:36
  atheist or or or shit like that. But now that I I'm not an
• 38:41
  atheist anymore and I'm, I'm kind of looking and seeing what
• 38:45
  other people are like, All the atheists are saying those same
• 38:47
  things now. And it's like, wait a minute,
• 38:49
  for years you guys told me I was out of bounds, that I was being
• 38:52
  too much, and now it's like the accepted.
• 38:56
  I don't know way for an atheist to talk like, you know, I I sit.
• 39:00
  I literally had to explain to somebody why a baby can't be an
• 39:04
  atheist. The the raging atheist, the guy
• 39:05
  that used to always say babies are atheist.
• 39:07
  You know, I had, I had to sit there and explain to him, no,
• 39:10
  like, babies can't have beliefs. They don't have any beliefs.
• 39:13
  So you can't make a choice not to believe in a God when you're
• 39:16
  a freaking baby. It's it's the same thing as
• 39:18
  saying a rock is an atheist. You know, like you know And when
• 39:22
  I try to tell them you're you're stepping into the into the fire
• 39:25
  when you're making those statements and all these people
• 39:27
  are coming down on me for it's like, hey, no, I'm, I'm the
• 39:30
  raging atheist. I'm the one that said this the
• 39:32
  most, like maybe take some advice here.
• 39:36
  Well, you probably. I know that from time to time
• 39:40
  you've gotten the opportunity to watch some of Matt Powell stuff.
• 39:42
  I don't watch him very often anymore.
• 39:46
  Obviously the aggravation, but he did make a video with some
• 39:49
  people saying that that atheist supposedly evolved from rocks.
• 39:53
  I'm sure you've probably seen that.
• 39:55
  I don't think I've seen that one.
• 39:56
  I, you know, I did have a recent conversation with Matt.
• 40:00
  It was it was like Matt interviewing me when I first
• 40:02
  stopped being an atheist. And I know a lot of atheists
• 40:06
  didn't like it, and a lot of atheists try to call me a
• 40:09
  sellout for it. But, you know, I spent six
• 40:12
  years. Going hardcore at Matt Powell
• 40:16
  and it didn't work. He's probably worse than he ever
• 40:21
  was. So, you know, like I I want, I
• 40:24
  just simply wanted to take a new approach with the guy.
• 40:27
  And for that, you know, like some people even went as far as
• 40:31
  to try to put, like his hate speech on me.
• 40:33
  Like I'm endorsing his hate speech just because I had a
• 40:35
  pleasant conversation with the guy.
• 40:37
  You know, because I'm not trying to be raging atheist anymore.
• 40:41
  Like I've been there. I've done that.
• 40:43
  How about try to make a change, Like maybe, you know, maybe,
• 40:47
  just maybe if if, if, if the raging atheist can can show some
• 40:51
  humility with with the guy and and show him like, you know, I
• 40:58
  don't know just just something a little bit more.
• 41:00
  It might just nudge him and and to get away from some of those
• 41:03
  more extreme things, you know, like it.
• 41:06
  If he could see a far lefty like me is not a bad dude, you know
• 41:09
  it. It might go a long way, but to a
• 41:12
  lot of people I was a sellout for that.
• 41:15
  See, that's one of the things I've liked about a Fiesta.
• 41:19
  Not say that it's been 100% great and wonderful, but if I'm
• 41:23
  wrong about something or I misinterpret something, I'll
• 41:26
  have some kind of question. Usually say, hey, here's what it
• 41:30
  means and here's why and explain it to me and all this kind of
• 41:33
  stuff. But I noticed whenever I was a
• 41:36
  nonbeliever, if I said anything that didn't go along with their
• 41:40
  views of their ideas, it was like cutthroat.
• 41:43
  There's no forgiveness. It's just you're a piece of
• 41:45
  crap. And you deserved that, you know,
• 41:48
  burning, you know, some kind of fire pit because they don't
• 41:51
  believe in hell. So it's it's weird.
• 41:53
  Hey, Rex. How you doing there, guy?
• 41:56
  I'm good and just trying to hold back my atheist hate.
• 42:02
  See, everybody always thinks I'm talking about them.
• 42:07
  The problem is that. The atheists that are popular in
• 42:10
  line are loud and aggressive like most people I know are
• 42:14
  atheists and we just never talk about God because we lack of
• 42:16
  belief. But we don't have a positive
• 42:19
  belief in fighting the Christians.
• 42:20
  I I just don't argue with them. That's why I come here and have
• 42:23
  peaceful conversations. Yeah.
• 42:25
  Oh, yeah. You know, I don't think my
• 42:28
  brother's an atheist anymore. But he, he pretty much told me
• 42:30
  that same thing. I don't know, about three years
• 42:32
  ago. He's like, you know, you know, I
• 42:34
  don't believe in God. And I was like, no, I didn't
• 42:36
  know that. But he was like, but do you know
• 42:38
  why I don't watch your channel? And he was like, and I was like,
• 42:41
  no, I don't. I never really cared if you
• 42:44
  watched my channel. He was like, I don't care about
• 42:48
  it. You know, I I go to work every
• 42:49
  day. I take care of my kids.
• 42:51
  That's what I care about. I don't care to to mock
• 42:55
  somebody's beliefs all day. And that's why I don't watch
• 42:58
  you. And it was probably the first
• 42:59
  thing that was ever said to me that really made me step back
• 43:01
  and look at myself. It took a while for me to make
• 43:04
  the change, but I think that that was like that that seed
• 43:07
  planted. And I don't even think my
• 43:09
  brother meant to do it. But I was able to start looking
• 43:11
  at myself and like, yeah, kind of what he's saying is true, you
• 43:14
  know, like all I do is just mock.
• 43:16
  I don't, I don't build anybody up.
• 43:17
  I don't, I don't even offer a solution to the theist.
• 43:20
  Right. Like I just mock their beliefs.
• 43:23
  And it did. It made me really popular there
• 43:25
  for a while. My grandfather and my sister got
• 43:29
  on to me whenever I was doing the nonbeliever thing.
• 43:33
  They took the time to watch some of it and they said, Brett, why
• 43:37
  do you, why do you do that? For what is what's the point?
• 43:40
  Your whole family's religious and.
• 43:43
  We've never done this or done that and all this kind of stuff
• 43:46
  that you're putting out. I said, well, this is from other
• 43:49
  people's experiences. This is what other people are
• 43:51
  saying and all that. And they go and you really give
• 43:54
  a damn about what has happened on the Internet with people.
• 43:57
  People are full of shit, as they told me and they were right.
• 44:02
  Rex, how you been doing, man? You should share with knock some
• 44:06
  of your views. I think you'll find you
• 44:07
  fascinating. Oh.
• 44:10
  I do. I just have, yeah.
• 44:12
  I got a bit of a headache today, so I don't know how much I can
• 44:15
  weasel out of being committing to talking about my beliefs.
• 44:18
  But essentially, in a nutshell, I believe we live in a
• 44:21
  simulation and I had a, for lack of bit of words, a spiritual
• 44:24
  encounter. Although I am still an ardent
• 44:27
  materialist, I think I'm right there with you.
• 44:31
  I definitely had a spiritual encounter.
• 44:34
  I still consider myself a naturalist.
• 44:35
  A materialist. Yeah.
• 44:39
  So I I'm, I'm right there with you.
• 44:40
  It's it's made it somewhat confusing for me because the
• 44:43
  experience I had I you know, it it it didn't seem natural to me
• 44:48
  at the time. I've been able to stuff it back
• 44:50
  inside of that box. But yeah I I am.
• 44:54
  I'm I'm trying to hold on to that naturalist world view and
• 44:57
  and you know what we see is what we get.
• 45:02
  Yeah. I I think I'm right there with
• 45:03
  you now. The simulation thing I I find
• 45:05
  fascinating. For one, I don't how could we
• 45:08
  possibly know that that that isn't the truth.
• 45:12
  You know go back to the Matrix days.
• 45:14
  The Matrix was brilliant because it's.
• 45:17
  I think it touched a lot of people because you you look at
• 45:20
  it and you're like, hey, we could be in the Matrix.
• 45:25
  Since that's some of the stuff that you're you've been thinking
• 45:28
  about and all that, maybe the next time you run into some
• 45:31
  nonbelievers and they're pushing the hole, it's just all nature,
• 45:35
  nothing else. Ask them what to actually define
• 45:40
  for you what nature is. Explain where the nature of
• 45:44
  consciousness and sentience comes in, and then suddenly
• 45:47
  they'll find themselves going janky.
• 45:49
  Well, I'm not trying. And that's where I first started
• 45:52
  getting getting in trouble with some of my atheist friends
• 45:55
  because I would make statements like I think we all have a
• 45:58
  purpose. I was, I would make statements
• 46:01
  like, well, you know, human beings are obviously on this
• 46:04
  planet something special, the way we think, the way we
• 46:07
  communicate, the world we've built compared to every other
• 46:12
  living thing on the planet. And how, How do you escape that
• 46:18
  fact, right? Like, how do you, you know, it's
• 46:20
  easy to sit here in the moment. It's easy to sit here and and
• 46:24
  and look around us and say this is it, This is all there is.
• 46:26
  But again, we live on a planet that's basically, I mean, it's
• 46:29
  probably smaller than an atom on the scale of the universe,
• 46:33
  right? Like, so how do we know what we
• 46:36
  don't know? And and that's what really
• 46:38
  stumped me, that's, that's what got me really thinking is, you
• 46:41
  know, I sit here and pretend like I know there's no God.
• 46:43
  I, you know, and I can sit here and and be pretty positive when
• 46:47
  I say, like, I don't think that there's a Yahweh.
• 46:49
  I think that most of that was human invention.
• 46:53
  But at the root, at the core, the concept of God, How the
• 46:57
  hell, how the hell could we know anybody that says they have the
• 47:01
  answer? I I I don't really think they're
• 47:03
  being honest with themselves. Well, you know, you know, in
• 47:06
  Christianity we have what we call scripture, Holy Scripture,
• 47:09
  that we say we're inspired by God directly to man.
• 47:12
  And we we claim that we know because he has told us, right?
• 47:16
  This Creator has told us. And he put it in a book called
• 47:19
  the Holy Bible, which we understand.
• 47:21
  And this is how we know, first of all, where we came from, why
• 47:26
  we're here. What to do while we're here and
• 47:29
  where we're going. In the end, it will depend on
• 47:30
  our choices. So I think we can say that we
• 47:34
  know because we believe God has told us in this holy scripture.
• 47:40
  Well, I mean the Buddhist could say the same thing.
• 47:42
  The the Muslim could say the same thing.
• 47:45
  Hell, the Sumerians 10,000 years ago would have told you that.
• 47:47
  Probably the same thing, you know, to me.
• 47:53
  All right, so take the Bible. There's so many things in the
• 47:57
  Bible that I can't believe, You know, if if you know if it was
• 48:02
  straight from God and it was infallible.
• 48:05
  I I think that probably the sun was made before plants, right?
• 48:09
  You know, there's just so many inconsistencies, so many just
• 48:13
  clear untruths in the Bible. I can't take it as fact.
• 48:16
  Well, I think it's worse than that.
• 48:18
  If you really understood the Bible, you would understand that
• 48:20
  the guardian that's the counter in Genesis too, is actually the
• 48:23
  beginning of man. In his world and that we're he
• 48:27
  says Rex say simulation. I mean we can compare that to to
• 48:31
  what scripture tells us because we see in Genesis one what we
• 48:35
  what you just mentioned about the creation of the plants and
• 48:37
  all that that it's you can think of that assimilation because
• 48:39
  that's not where we richly came from.
• 48:41
  And scripture says that that this place is like a place that
• 48:44
  we've been put here because what we did our since we were fallen
• 48:47
  a fallen humankind and we're here because of that because of
• 48:51
  that. And that's this is the
• 48:52
  simulation that Rex speaks of. This is where I can equate it
• 48:56
  and it's what scripture tells us we're in and we're not going to
• 48:59
  be here in the end. So that it's a little different
• 49:01
  in that manner. And you can understand if it's a
• 49:03
  simulation and you can understand why things can be in
• 49:05
  certain orders without being contradictory.
• 49:09
  But you know, I'm just, I'm just here to say why we believe we
• 49:13
  have the truth. Now sure, the Muslims could say
• 49:15
  they have the truth or the Buddhist then for you or like
• 49:19
  you're a theist, now it's it's you're going to have to find the
• 49:21
  truth. You're going to have to try to
• 49:22
  find the truth. I don't think you could end it
• 49:24
  being a theist. Well, that's it.
• 49:25
  There's there's still some. There's a truth.
• 49:27
  There's a not truth, right? There's no truth to this world.
• 49:29
  So I think, and that's my thing, when I had my experience, when
• 49:33
  whatever it was was talking to me, it didn't proclaim itself.
• 49:36
  It didn't give itself a name, you know, it it gave me no
• 49:40
  reason to think that whatever it was was a Christian God.
• 49:45
  And you know, I I was able to rebuff the pressure of going
• 49:48
  back to Christianity. My dad really thought like the
• 49:50
  moment I announced I wasn't an atheist anymore.
• 49:53
  Like I was going to be a Christian again, because that's
• 49:55
  how I was raised. For me, it transcends all of
• 50:00
  that, for the imperfect nature of humanity makes it literally
• 50:05
  impossible for any of these human made religions in my eyes
• 50:09
  to be true. I want to.
• 50:11
  I want to look beyond that because you can find those truth
• 50:14
  Nuggets in anything and you should look for him in any
• 50:18
  religious text in any fictional text.
• 50:20
  You can find those truth Nuggets that's going to going to give
• 50:23
  you a little bit of knowledge that you didn't have before but
• 50:26
  it's looking inside of yourself. I think you're going to find the
• 50:29
  God within yourself, right? And I think that Jesus even
• 50:33
  speaks of that and and the New Testament he off quite often it.
• 50:37
  When they ask him if he's the son of God he says no.
• 50:39
  I am the son of man. You are the Son of Man, and he's
• 50:42
  referring to the that whatever this thing is, it's inside all
• 50:46
  of us and and all once you, once you start looking inward, you're
• 50:50
  gonna find your connection to that universe, the thing that
• 50:54
  connects us all. That's the great mystery Dow
• 50:58
  talks about. If you name the Dow, you are
• 51:01
  giving it the wrong name. If you explain the Dow, you're
• 51:05
  explaining it wrong. And I think that that's the best
• 51:08
  explanation for deity that we have.
• 51:11
  You know what you kind of sound like?
• 51:12
  Like you understand what scripture actually means, right?
• 51:15
  I've. I've read my, yeah.
• 51:18
  That, you know, Jesus says the Kingdom of God is within you.
• 51:22
  You get that, right? You get that, But you're not
• 51:24
  connected with the with the God of the Christian Bible.
• 51:26
  I understand that because you've been part of Christianity that
• 51:29
  tells, you know that's not true. God is somewhere else.
• 51:31
  So is he's over here and, you know he's not really.
• 51:34
  He's like he's he's like a little puppet master, you know?
• 51:37
  Well, no, I found that on my own.
• 51:39
  I I was, I was born and raised into the Christian faith.
• 51:42
  I was born, I was born a Baptist.
• 51:46
  I was baptized a Baptist. And then when when we moved to
• 51:49
  North Carolina I went to church as a Southern Baptist right up
• 51:53
  until I was about I don't know, 2122 years old and I started to
• 51:58
  lose my faith in that religion then and for the longest time I
• 52:01
  thought I was an atheist because I couldn't explain what I
• 52:03
  thought, what I was and and now I have a better explanation for
• 52:08
  it I think. But at the same time, to most
• 52:10
  people, it's unintelligible because you know, they, they
• 52:13
  have their beliefs. You know, if you believe in the
• 52:16
  Bible, I'm not going to knock you for it because that's your
• 52:18
  belief. I've just, I've had the
• 52:22
  opportunity mainly because I just have this thirst for
• 52:25
  knowledge that I've. I've studied many, many
• 52:27
  religions and so, you know, I kind of know where religion
• 52:31
  comes from. You know, like when I was
• 52:33
  speaking earlier of humans worshiping animals, that's what
• 52:38
  we did for the longest period of time, you know, longer than any
• 52:42
  of these modern religions. You know, this Christianity has
• 52:45
  been around for 2000 years, Judaism maybe maybe 4000.
• 52:51
  Right now the the, the longest modern religion we have on this
• 52:54
  planet is Hinduism. And that's that's a that's
• 52:59
  nothing compared for the amount of time humans were worshipping
• 53:02
  animals. And back then you know it was
• 53:04
  just that feeling that nature was our God, nature was what was
• 53:08
  guiding us. So we placed our our deities
• 53:11
  into that nature and and it just kind of evolved from there.
• 53:16
  Human beings have always been trying to solve the great
• 53:19
  mystery. I just don't think we have yet.
• 53:23
  Can I ask you, I like to ask you a Brett type question, if a
• 53:26
  perfect, perfect world for you, what is the end at the end of
• 53:30
  your life? If you were under, what would be
• 53:32
  the perfect place for you to be like, to understand what about
• 53:35
  this, this theist view that you have?
• 53:37
  What would be the perfect ending to it?
• 53:39
  Would it be to find the one theist that's right, or would it
• 53:42
  be just coming to, you know, I don't know Nirvana about the
• 53:46
  world or what it would simply to be a a a better human being than
• 53:50
  I was yesterday. That is my only goal right now
• 53:53
  is, is to be a better human being, a more compassionate
• 53:57
  human being, not such a judgmental human being.
• 54:00
  And know my own infallibility, know that I do not know
• 54:03
  everything. I don't have the answers.
• 54:06
  I can sit here and talk with you guys about what I think and what
• 54:09
  you think, but ultimately, I don't know which one of us is
• 54:12
  right. I can look at the Bible and and
• 54:14
  and point out like this, I can't.
• 54:16
  I can't do, I can't do that. I can't do that.
• 54:18
  But when it comes to like the Godhead Yahweh, if Yahweh's
• 54:22
  real, I guarantee you one thing, he's nothing like we think he
• 54:26
  is. I guarantee you that because
• 54:28
  human beings, we have imaginations, we have
• 54:31
  creativity. When this thing speaks to us,
• 54:35
  parts of ourselves are reflecting that to ourselves.
• 54:38
  We have to rationalize it to ourselves.
• 54:42
  And and so humanity is going to be mixed into that, you know,
• 54:46
  and and I think that that's that's common sense.
• 54:49
  But that's common sense to me, right?
• 54:52
  I can't expect it to be common sense to everybody else.
• 54:55
  Right, right. I just, I just wondered where
• 54:56
  you where you, where you might believe you're going in your
• 54:58
  walk with. I'm not sure you know.
• 55:03
  Whatever you believe, Buddhist thinks that that there's a
• 55:07
  10,000 other dimensions or alternate universes out there.
• 55:12
  You know the Christians think that there's one heaven, you
• 55:16
  know, or in one hell. I think Muslims probably believe
• 55:21
  the same. And and Jews, they, they have
• 55:24
  quite a different take on it. You know, when it comes to
• 55:28
  Hindus, they, I don't even really know what they think.
• 55:33
  Egyptians, they, they would mummify their people.
• 55:35
  That was the path to the afterlife.
• 55:37
  You know, I I, I don't know. All I know is what I do know is
• 55:42
  if I can be the best human being I'm possible to be, Whatever it
• 55:46
  is, if there's anything that's going to be judging us, I think
• 55:49
  that that's what it's going to be looking for.
• 55:51
  But I don't think that there's anything that's going to be
• 55:52
  judging us. I think that we just take our
• 55:55
  natural place back in the universe.
• 55:57
  Whether that's non existence, whether that's particles,
• 56:00
  whether that's reincarnation, I have no idea.
• 56:02
  If it's, you know, maybe death is a doorway to another
• 56:06
  universe, Maybe we, maybe our consciousness live forever.
• 56:10
  I have no idea. But I think that the only thing
• 56:13
  that I can do is to try to be a better human being today.
• 56:18
  Answer my question and I was wondering if you thought there
• 56:20
  was afterlife where we're going, Is there more is at the end and
• 56:23
  you just go away going to darkness?
• 56:25
  And then to answer my question, not really sure.
• 56:27
  I mean, just, yeah, I mean, even as an atheist, I would hope that
• 56:31
  I get to see my loved ones again, right?
• 56:33
  Like, you know, even as an atheist, I didn't believe in an
• 56:36
  afterlife. But you know, if there isn't
• 56:38
  afterlife, hey, if I, you know, as long as I wasn't burning in
• 56:42
  hell, like if I can go and and and see my mom again, man, you
• 56:47
  know, my mom's died so suddenly, I never even really got to say
• 56:50
  goodbye to her. I would love that.
• 56:52
  I just don't know if that's the case.
• 56:54
  If it happens, man, I'm gonna be overjoyed.
• 56:57
  But one thing I don't think is going to happen pretty much no
• 57:02
  matter what you do, you could do the worst thing in the world.
• 57:04
  I I don't think that there's some fire waiting.
• 57:07
  I just don't. I I don't think that there's
• 57:09
  some punishment waiting. I think that there's maybe
• 57:12
  another chance. Maybe.
• 57:13
  I don't know. I have no idea.
• 57:16
  Yeah, well, just just so I don't be remiss in my as being a
• 57:19
  Christian, the only way to to all that what you just mentioned
• 57:23
  by seeing your loved ones, you know, no more tears, no more
• 57:26
  pain is through Jesus Christ who died for us and it's the
• 57:29
  detonment for our sins. And I just got to tell you that.
• 57:31
  I know you may not want that pushing and I'm trying to push
• 57:33
  it on you, but at my job as a Christian, I have to type.
• 57:36
  Oh yeah. I don't think it's pushing it on
• 57:38
  me, but I I I think it's kind of, I don't know.
• 57:43
  Of course, you know like Christians think that because
• 57:46
  that's what they've been told. But I like I said, you know, all
• 57:50
  right so let's let's take the Christian story.
• 57:53
  So if if Lucifer revolted because God loved humanity so
• 57:57
  much and God is infinite and and and knows everything, right.
• 58:03
  God knows what we are He he knows our capacity to be good
• 58:07
  and evil and and I think we all hold that capacity.
• 58:10
  We can all we can all be capable of great acts of love and we can
• 58:15
  all be capable of committing great acts of atrocity.
• 58:18
  And I think that God understands that and that you know, why
• 58:26
  punish us for the natures that according to the, you know, I'm.
• 58:30
  I'm not. I'm not saying I believe this,
• 58:32
  but according to the Christian theology, why punish us for the
• 58:36
  natures he created? It doesn't make much sense,
• 58:40
  especially if the stories are true.
• 58:42
  And he loves us so much that his number one Angel, the most
• 58:46
  beautiful Angel in all of the heavens, the leader of the host,
• 58:50
  Lucifer, the morning star, actually revolted.
• 58:52
  And not only revolted, got a third of the heavenly hosts to
• 58:56
  revolt. You know it to me is it's just
• 59:00
  not that logical. I can't.
• 59:03
  I can't really get behind that. I think that he would accept us
• 59:05
  in all of our glory and all of our decrepit human failures.
• 59:11
  Why? Why else would would Lucifer
• 59:14
  revolt? If you don't mind, let me put
• 59:18
  out a quick thought here real quick.
• 59:20
  You you. Basically you're pointing out if
• 59:23
  I'm hearing it right, as you're saying why would God punish
• 59:26
  someone? If he already has like knowledge
• 59:29
  that they're probably going to do it because that nature is
• 59:32
  within them, well, parents and stuff.
• 59:34
  You being a father, me being a father, we know we knew before
• 59:38
  our children came into the world and stuff while they were still
• 59:41
  in the womb that they most likely were going to make
• 59:44
  mistakes. They were going to have their
• 59:45
  hearts broke, things were going to happen.
• 59:47
  Their life is like a roller coaster ride.
• 59:49
  You're going to have your ups and downs.
• 59:52
  But that didn't mean that when the down happened that there
• 59:55
  wasn't going to be some kind of you're going to need a timeout.
• 59:58
  There's got to be some kind of discipline there on on what
• 1:00:01
  happens, even though you're aware that the possibility was
• 1:00:05
  there, you agree? Well, yeah.
• 1:00:08
  I mean, if you put it into those human terms, it seems fairly
• 1:00:13
  logical, but we're talking about so.
• 1:00:16
  So when I made my daughter, all I really did was, you know,
• 1:00:20
  pardon my, pardon me being me. All I did was put a penis in a
• 1:00:25
  vagina. You know, I had no control,
• 1:00:28
  right? And all I can do as a father is
• 1:00:32
  accept my child for who she is and good and bad.
• 1:00:39
  But when we're talking about a creator, an infinite creator of
• 1:00:42
  of this massive, massive universe, and A and a creator
• 1:00:47
  that created a species that, you know, I'm not saying this, the
• 1:00:53
  theology says this, that loved us so much that a third of his
• 1:00:58
  heavenly host revolted against him for it.
• 1:01:00
  That that's a love that I really don't think could be denied.
• 1:01:04
  So I don't think that God is going to judge us like we would
• 1:01:10
  judge ourselves. Do you understand?
• 1:01:13
  That's the toxic toxicity of traditional Christian
• 1:01:17
  understanding what you just said there.
• 1:01:20
  Does the traditional Christian understand that Satan revolted?
• 1:01:23
  He's a being. He's some kind of being that
• 1:01:24
  revolted. I don't believe that's what
• 1:01:26
  script was telling us. We had.
• 1:01:27
  I had a show yesterday about exactly that.
• 1:01:30
  Who exactly is Satan? Who is a man?
• 1:01:32
  Who was the cherubims that described in the garden?
• 1:01:35
  I think Christian traditional Christianity poisons people to
• 1:01:38
  understand of the truth, but I just like to ask one question
• 1:01:41
  for it real quick. Would you die for your, For your
• 1:01:43
  kid? For your daughter?
• 1:01:45
  Oh yeah, without a. Doubt Jesus Christ.
• 1:01:47
  There's Jesus Christ right there.
• 1:01:49
  That died for us. That's how much he loved us.
• 1:01:51
  That's the truth. I don't know.
• 1:01:59
  So for me personally, for several years, I was a
• 1:02:02
  mythicist. I didn't even think Jesus was
• 1:02:05
  true. I've kind of changed that.
• 1:02:08
  I've kind of accepted the historical view on it.
• 1:02:14
  But even with that historical view, I I personally just don't
• 1:02:18
  think Jesus was the son of God. And I don't think that Jesus
• 1:02:22
  says he's the Son of God. I think he says he's the Son of
• 1:02:24
  man. I think that though the one,
• 1:02:27
  there's two times that he actually says he's the son of
• 1:02:28
  God and he was under great duress.
• 1:02:31
  And I think both times he was talking directly to the pontiff.
• 1:02:36
  So when he when he was talking to his people, he never claimed
• 1:02:40
  that he only claimed to be the Son of man.
• 1:02:42
  And he also said that they were the son of man, that they were
• 1:02:45
  the sons of gods themselves. So I think that his point was
• 1:02:49
  that this divinity, this connection to the universe is
• 1:02:52
  inside of us all. And I think that that that's
• 1:02:55
  what he was trying to convey. And I think that you're right.
• 1:02:57
  I think that Christianity has gotten it wrong.
• 1:02:59
  But it's not a knock on Christianity.
• 1:03:01
  It's an it's just human nature. Like humans, we are imperfect.
• 1:03:06
  We are incapable of perfection, just incapable of it.
• 1:03:09
  We'll we'll have our moments. You know, a pitcher can pitch a
• 1:03:12
  perfect game, but even within that perfect, perfect game, so
• 1:03:15
  many mistakes are made. So much luck is involved, right?
• 1:03:18
  Like it's not really perfect. It's just as perfect as it can
• 1:03:23
  be. Yeah, I I was going to let Rex
• 1:03:27
  know. Rex, I can see you typing out
• 1:03:31
  there. I seen you write wow, slow down,
• 1:03:33
  knock and write this down PMD babies.
• 1:03:36
  Since I've been concentrating on the people in the live stream
• 1:03:39
  that are actually talking. If you don't mind, Mr. Stump,
• 1:03:42
  I'd like to ask you a question because like I said in our last
• 1:03:46
  show and when we were talking proverbs, I consider you very
• 1:03:50
  well educated biblically, and I'd like your interpretation or
• 1:03:54
  view of this. James chapter 2, verse 10.
• 1:03:58
  It says for whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at
• 1:04:01
  just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
• 1:04:05
  For who said you shall not commit adultery?
• 1:04:07
  Also said you shall not murder. If you do not commit adultery
• 1:04:11
  but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
• 1:04:14
  It seems to me when I read these passages that it's saying that
• 1:04:17
  all sin is equal. What is your view on this?
• 1:04:23
  I I agree all all sins. If you break one you break them
• 1:04:25
  all. This is the what scripture also
• 1:04:28
  calls abomination of of desolation.
• 1:04:30
  That's what get us kicked out of garden right.
• 1:04:32
  Like the perfect spot for human to be with with God dwelling in
• 1:04:35
  his garden being the priest and king to God and in the end we'll
• 1:04:39
  be back there of course but yeah that's what that's what God is
• 1:04:41
  here sin. So and the the 2 greatest
• 1:04:44
  commandments Jesus says there's the love the Lord that God with
• 1:04:47
  all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.
• 1:04:50
  Those are the two commandments. So like like.
• 1:04:52
  Not the same. You know, I'm she's trying to be
• 1:04:54
  a better guy, try to be a better person.
• 1:04:56
  That's good. That's what Jesus wants you to
• 1:04:57
  do. That's what he had orders to do.
• 1:04:59
  Love our neighbor as ourselves, right?
• 1:05:00
  And love the Lord to God. He's just missing part of it.
• 1:05:03
  And hopefully he'll get there. God will.
• 1:05:04
  He'll get there. The reason why the passage got
• 1:05:07
  my attention and stuff just for a moment and then you guys can
• 1:05:10
  go back what and whatever you want to talk about.
• 1:05:13
  But the reason why it got me is I do notice that there are some
• 1:05:16
  some Christians out there. It's as if they focus on certain
• 1:05:21
  sins. And put them above their own
• 1:05:25
  stuff or or what they're doing and all that.
• 1:05:27
  So if you're saying that it's all equal and everything, then I
• 1:05:31
  would suppose that a person shouldn't be, like into
• 1:05:35
  condemnation whenever they're just as bad as as a lawbreaker.
• 1:05:40
  Hey man, I agree 100%. I mean, I I know the the by word
• 1:05:43
  today is a homosexuality, right? That's because it's prevalent.
• 1:05:46
  It's being pushed in the media. But it's no, it's no different
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  than being a thief or whatever sin it is, you know.
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  It's a sin in in God's eyes. He he makes the rules, He's God
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  and that's the sin. So what we need to tell people
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  you have to turn from your sin just like I have to turn from
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  mine, right. I'd be a hypocrite to say you
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  you shouldn't be a homosexual but yet I'm out here drinking
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  and and reveling and and you know chasing women in a in a non
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  homosexual way, that's a hypocrite and of course
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  hypocrites are going to have the parts of lake fire corner
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  scripture so we can't do that. We have to tell the truth
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  though. We have to say that's the sin
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  and and God doesn't want you committed that sin.
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  Well, and and I would argue that that's another thing that
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  Christianity is just wrong about.
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  So when it talks about a man not laying with another man or or
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  not dressing like a woman, it was talking to very specific
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  things in the Israelite culture at the time, mainly the the act
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  of adult males buying child male prostitutes.
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  I can't remember the direct term for it, but there is a direct
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  term for it and and that was a huge problem.
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  It was also in reference to the sex cult of of Dionysus which
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  was very prevalent at the time that those particular scriptures
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  were written. So but what we've had is 2000
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  years of of of a Christian Church or not just a Christian
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  Christian Church but a Catholic Church or you know Christianity
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  as a whole, turning it into something that that we're
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  dealing with in modern times something with and I'm not
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  saying that there wasn't homosexuality back then but they
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  just didn't have that concept back then.
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  There were there's been homosexuality and and humanity
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  since humanity has been here and we we we definitely found
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  archaeological evidence of that. I can just go to my Native
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  American roots and tell you about the tribes that were very,
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  very accepting of homosexuality and even cross dressing
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  transgenderism, very, very accepting if you were a man but
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  you you were feminine and you were allowed to wear those
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  feminine clothes and and to be with the women.
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  It was it was a very natural thing within the tribe.
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  But I think that we've had 2000 years of of a church demonizing
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  A subset of a group trying to say what sin is.
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  But again none of us can know the true nature of quote UN
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  quote God. We are just stuck here on this
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  planet. And you know, I know Christians
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  don't like to really think about this, but every single human
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  being that put pen to paper when it comes to the Holy Bible was a
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  human being. They were imperfect, so there's
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  no way they can have a perfect comprehension of whatever
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  signals they were being sent. Just like when I had my
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  spiritual experience, there was no way for me to comprehend if
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  that was a Christian God or a Buddhist God or a Hindu God or
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  whatever God from our from our past.
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  Because there's been so many of them that we just forgot through
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  through the course of time, right?
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  Like I could take you to to the Sumerian roots of inkle and
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  inkle and Annie I think their names was right but like even
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  before then but prehistory they human beings were worshiping
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  gods and we don't even know what God's those were.
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  You know it's like there there was number way for like it
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  didn't come with a calling card. It just it just came at me and
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  the way that it knew it was gonna get me right.
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  Like you know you're not gonna get an atheist in the same way
• 1:09:19
  you're gonna get a Christian. You're gonna speak to what that
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  human being knows and feels. You're gonna work through that
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  human being so that human beings, feelings and knowledge
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  is coming into play. And I'm not just pointing out
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  the Christian religion and we're talking Christianity here, but I
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  I I feel very strongly. I love the Dollar de Ching.
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  I've read it 1000 times, but it's not infallible.
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  It was written by a human being. We don't know who that human
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  being really was, but you know, we we attribute it to a person.
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  But you know, it's not a perfect philosophy.
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  You know it and nothing that we've been given when it comes
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  to trying to solve the great mysteries, perfect you.
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  But it's up to you how how you you make it.
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  And when it comes to homosexuality, I don't equate it
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  to something like thievery. You know, something that we have
• 1:10:13
  a choice in doing, right? I know too many gay people to
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  honestly believe that they don't have any choice in being gay.
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  They're just gay. OK, well, I don't have to argue
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  about that. I clearly says in a scripture
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  that it's wrong and Old and New Testament.
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  But you know, that's that's my book that I believe in.
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  Well, I mean, they didn't even. Have to believe in it.
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  I can't. I can't.
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  They didn't. They didn't, you know, there
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  wasn't a word for homosexuality back then, you know, but there
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  was a problem with the sex cult of Dionysis and there definitely
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  was a problem of prostitution and and males being with young
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  children that were were male. Definitely.
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  Like that was a problem within the Israelite society back then,
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  and it's still a problem in that part of the world.
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  In some parts of it, primarily Afghanistan, it was still
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  dominant when we found out the hard way when we invaded.
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  OK, yeah, I won't argue with you about that because I have to go
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  to my scripture to show you and you don't believe in it.
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  So that'll be like a well, no, I've read.
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  All the inner circles. I've read all the verses.
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  Yeah, you. Believe that it's about.
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  It's about young children and men.
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  I've heard this from atheist many times.
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  I mean that it's not going to be.
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  One, it's not just from atheist. I mean, there's plenty of plenty
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  of Christian scholars that say the same thing is it's, you
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  know, if you if you have a better understanding of the of
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  the time, Yeah, I think it's easy to come to that conclusion.
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  Well I'm going to say this God's word is written for for us
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  throughout history. It's not for a certain time but
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  like I said it's it's a it's a exercise of fertility because if
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  you don't believe the scriptures or you know scriptures is all
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  scriptures given by the inspiration of God, first you
• 1:11:49
  have to breathe the scriptures to believe that that's true,
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  right. And and that the inspiration of
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  God means that that God breathe. That's the word that's
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  translated from. So it it really doesn't matter,
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  right. It's like it'll be like in the
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  circle for me to say well look at this scripture and you say
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  well you know so but you know just to just because he asked me
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  about 01 sin over the other so that the whole the whole
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  discussion was about is 1 sin worse than the other.
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  No, you shouldn't be committing sin.
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  That's that's as a Christian believe you shouldn't be doing
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  it. Whether it's homosexual, Steven,
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  lying, killing, you know. One of the one of the reasons,
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  no. Tree any of that stuff.
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  Mr. Stump, one of the reasons why I brought it up too is I've
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  been told by a lot of Christians and I've watched a lot of videos
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  where they talk as though it's just a matter of just simply
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  believing and having faith and all that.
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  And then you read something like James, where it says even the
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  devil and the demons believe and they tremble.
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  I mean, they they know God on a firsthand basis.
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  I mean, so it's when I hear some folks say Saved by grace or
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  there's. No merit involved in all this.
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  Then I question why, whenever I'm looking in the Book of
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  Revelation, why it says it will be judged based on our
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  transgression. Well, transgression would be
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  against the law. So why do some say that there's
• 1:13:08
  no law or no order or no works and all that?
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  When it says clearly, we'll be judged based on all that.
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  Hey man, I agree. They they they read things.
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  They twist things to their own destruction.
• 1:13:20
  They don't understand that they they need to quit their sinning.
• 1:13:22
  Some people want to live and since they make up excuse and
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  say, well, we're saved by grace. Therefore, if I'm a homosexual
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  or I'm a guy who's on the Internet always listening or
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  porn, I'm safe because I believe in Jesus Christ.
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  But that's not what scripture tells us.
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  In fact the market obese tells us that living in sin is that
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  mark, that's what mark shoes belonging to Satan.
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  And that's a guy. So people twist things to their
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  what they suits them. Sure, I'd love to be able to do
• 1:13:43
  my sins that I enjoy, right? I'd love to be able to do them.
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  But that's not what God tells me to do.
• 1:13:47
  So I have to. Kill the flesh.
• 1:13:49
  That's what. Which you tell us, right?
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  Picking me cross daily and follow Jesus.
• 1:13:54
  What did Jesus do? He went on the cross and his
• 1:13:56
  flesh was gone. So Christian, typical Christian
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  beliefs are what poisons the word for everybody.
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  I'll tell you that I don't. That's why I don't follow him.
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  That's why I when I listen to folks, even if I really, really
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  like somebody and they're sounding really good and my ears
• 1:14:14
  are itching and all that. I always try to go right back to
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  the book and see if what they're saying is actually coherent or
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  goes along with it for some reason.
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  And I think all of you will agree.
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  There are some people who believe in God, and they believe
• 1:14:28
  what the Bible says, But there's others who have
• 1:14:30
  anthropomorphized God, and God has become just an amplified
• 1:14:35
  version of themselves. Amen.
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  I believe that 100%. Well, let me, for instance, let
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  me read Revelation. I think that's true of
• 1:14:43
  everybody. Can I read Revelation 2214 real
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  quick? Because this, this tells some
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  this is the the last chapter of the Bible.
• 1:14:50
  It's over, right? We're all either with God or
• 1:14:52
  we're not. We're in whatever you want to
• 1:14:54
  call hell, the doctrines of blackness forever or fire,
• 1:14:57
  whatever you call it. It's either that or that And it
• 1:14:59
  says in in Revelation 2014, blessed are they that do his
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  commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life
• 1:15:05
  and may enter through the gates into the city.
• 1:15:08
  How do how does people get around with that?
• 1:15:10
  Say, you know you can just do what you want and receive by
• 1:15:12
  grace. How do you get around that
• 1:15:13
  first? They do it because they want to,
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  just like everything else. Like when they say, well,
• 1:15:17
  homosexuals, not really in the Scripture.
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  It's about boys, you know, and men.
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  They they want to get around that.
• 1:15:22
  So this is what the human mind does.
• 1:15:23
  It doesn't. Take you.
• 1:15:26
  That's one of the reasons why I dig you.
• 1:15:27
  Ever since I've met you and talked to you and all that, you
• 1:15:31
  and I seem to be on the same wavelength.
• 1:15:33
  I have yet to meet another theist or Christian who has went
• 1:15:38
  down this this type of corridor with me before.
• 1:15:41
  That's awesome. But faith?
• 1:15:43
  Has to have something to do with it, right?
• 1:15:52
  My lack of that faith, even if I were to keep the commandments
• 1:15:55
  and do the best, I still would be the died eternal life,
• 1:15:58
  correct? Because I couldn't just follow
• 1:15:47
  the laws and do what the Bible says and make it into heaven
• 1:15:50
  without. I believe that says right.
• 1:16:01
  You still have to believe in it. The atonement that Jesus Christ
• 1:16:04
  came died for our sins, made an atonement with his blood for us,
• 1:16:07
  right? To make us right with God.
• 1:16:09
  That's the part where that's considered grace.
• 1:16:11
  Now, we still have responsibility to follow His
• 1:16:13
  word, right? The scripture says whoever
• 1:16:16
  believes on him. What does believe mean?
• 1:16:17
  Does that mean like you believe Santa Claus?
• 1:16:19
  You don't know. It means that you believe what
• 1:16:21
  he says. You try to do it the best your
• 1:16:22
  ability. Not saying that I don't slip up
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  or can't slip up, that I'm perfect.
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  I don't think a man can be actually perfect.
• 1:16:28
  I think we will slip up. But you can't live in sin.
• 1:16:30
  I think that's the whole purpose of understanding what that means
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  about sinning. You can't live in sin.
• 1:16:35
  I cannot keep a porn site on my thing, go back to it and it feel
• 1:16:38
  bad and go, oh, I need to go back to God and then come back
• 1:16:40
  two days later and and click about it again.
• 1:16:42
  There I am again doing the same thing.
• 1:16:44
  God gives us the the ability to overcome that type of sin.
• 1:16:46
  That's what we need to do. Yeah, Rex, I know.
• 1:16:48
  It's Rex. I don't believe that.
• 1:16:50
  I don't believe that. How do I put it?
• 1:16:55
  There's there's some Christians out there who believe that they
• 1:16:58
  can literally sit on their ass eating Twinkies and Doritos all
• 1:17:01
  day. Go out and do the most heinous
• 1:17:04
  ass things. And because they put their paws
• 1:17:06
  together at the end of the day and and mumble some words that
• 1:17:09
  everything's going to be fine, I believe that the people who are
• 1:17:12
  actually trying, who are putting forth an effort to do their
• 1:17:16
  best, I don't believe that we're going to be perfect and we're
• 1:17:19
  not going to do all the great things and stuff that we'd like
• 1:17:22
  to do. But if we send intentionally
• 1:17:25
  over and over and over again, then it's obvious that we're not
• 1:17:29
  taking the invitation or even following the rules.
• 1:17:33
  Well, I have two things. I'll let you go and then I'll
• 1:17:37
  say. Paul says over and over again
• 1:17:39
  what I do not want to do, I do, and what I want to do I do not
• 1:17:41
  do. So even Paul was talking about
• 1:17:44
  how often he is sending and 2nd, how do we decide which laws in
• 1:17:47
  the Bible we are still supposed to keep?
• 1:17:50
  Good question. Well, the two that the two that
• 1:17:52
  Jesus said to keep right, He says all the laws are hung on
• 1:17:55
  these two. These two commandments love the
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  Lord thy God. And love your neighbor as
• 1:17:59
  yourself. So if you're doing things to
• 1:18:01
  harm either God or to your neighbor, you know that's the
• 1:18:04
  sin you shouldn't be doing, right?
• 1:18:05
  So if you're out here stealing, that's that's that's harming
• 1:18:08
  your neighbor, right? If you're out here shooting
• 1:18:09
  killing them, that's harming your neighbor, right?
• 1:18:11
  If you're. Out here.
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  Lusting over women. That, and you're a married man
• 1:18:15
  and that's that's harmful to God because God wants one man and
• 1:18:17
  one woman in marriage, right? That's that's harming God.
• 1:18:20
  Those are the things we should bear.
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  Not not the ones you shouldn't wear.
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  Cotton and mixed fabric, you know.
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  That's not that's. Those are Old Testaments for the
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  Jews that were they were in a theocracy.
• 1:18:30
  We're not to worry about that. That's not hurt.
• 1:18:31
  God, if you wear twists or you eat, or you catfish or whatever,
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  you know. Let me interject when.
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  You do those things, it hurts them.
• 1:18:36
  Then why is homosexuality not a cultural law?
• 1:18:39
  The same? The same as a holy kiss?
• 1:18:41
  Because it's a pragmatic law. The reason they weren't allowed
• 1:18:43
  to be homosexual was because homosexuals don't make children.
• 1:18:46
  And you don't have children, you don't have soldiers.
• 1:18:48
  And before the modern age, you need soldiers to spread your
• 1:18:51
  religion. That's that's what you're
• 1:18:53
  saying, right? I'm saying God said that he has
• 1:18:55
  made man and woman right to to cleave to one another and be 1
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  flesh. They did not say man and man.
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  Plus we have to understand that the relationship between God and
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  his church, meaning the people. And I talk about a building his
• 1:19:05
  people, his believers is a bride.
• 1:19:08
  The the church, the believers and hold.
• 1:19:10
  It's going to be quick hold. It's going to be quick and Jesus
• 1:19:15
  Christ, right? This is this is a relationship
• 1:19:17
  of a man and a woman, a bride and A and A and a groom.
• 1:19:21
  Now you take 22 grooms and put them together 2 brides.
• 1:19:23
  Now you're mocking God and his what he wants done.
• 1:19:26
  So the third thing is mocking God because you had mentioned
• 1:19:29
  two and none of them had to do at all with with homosexuality.
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  What's that? I don't understand what you're
• 1:19:36
  saying. The two things that you
• 1:19:38
  mentioned, like I know one was don't harm your neighbor, I
• 1:19:40
  can't remember what the other one was.
• 1:19:41
  But neither of the two things that you mentioned I don't.
• 1:19:46
  I don't see how you could put homosexuality there and but now
• 1:19:48
  you're saying that well mocking God is is and and you're again
• 1:19:54
  like it seemed. You know, I don't.
• 1:19:56
  I'm not trying to be offensive, but I'm it seems you're putting
• 1:19:59
  a human aspect to something that can't be human.
• 1:20:03
  What you mean like the. The relationship between God and
• 1:20:05
  His church is bright and his groom the bride and groom, that
• 1:20:08
  relationship or the. Like like like it like it would
• 1:20:11
  be possible to even mock something like that.
• 1:20:14
  Sure it is sure it is. You could you could you can mock
• 1:20:17
  God like that easily there show to band being like.
• 1:20:19
  I mean, you can mark a human like that, but don't you think,
• 1:20:22
  you know, like a creator of the universe would be kind of above
• 1:20:24
  that? And again, like, you know, I I
• 1:20:28
  just don't see how two people that love each other is a
• 1:20:32
  mockery of God. If you know if two people that
• 1:20:35
  love each other, that want to be married and have the same legal
• 1:20:38
  rights that you enjoy as a heterosexual male.
• 1:20:42
  I don't see how that's a mockery of any God.
• 1:20:45
  I don't see how it could be. That's fine.
• 1:20:48
  You know you're not a believer, a Christian believer.
• 1:20:50
  So. It's not about being a believer.
• 1:20:52
  It's about mockery, right? It's about what is mockery,
• 1:20:55
  right? But how do you term what mocks
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  got or not? That's what I want to like
• 1:20:58
  scripts. How do you?
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  I'm not the one, but I'm not the one that is determining that I
• 1:21:04
  we don't want to. I don't want to get into angry
• 1:21:06
  thing with you because. I'm I'm not being angry.
• 1:21:08
  I'm just saying I'm not the one that is determining what what
• 1:21:11
  God sees as mock. Well you are because you're
• 1:21:13
  saying it doesn't mock him. You're you're being determined.
• 1:21:15
  I'm no. You're saying it is.
• 1:21:16
  I'm asking you how you know that from the beginning God created
• 1:21:19
  Adam and Eve, right? These are man and the woman.
• 1:21:21
  We know this. This is not two men.
• 1:21:23
  This is not two women. Who So now Genesis is true?
• 1:21:28
  Sure, it's true. Whoever said it wasn't true?
• 1:21:31
  You you've been poisoned by a traditional critic.
• 1:21:33
  You literally or so when I brought up, you know, the plants
• 1:21:38
  being before the sun, you're like, well, you can't take that
• 1:21:41
  literally in Genesis. But now we're supposed to play
• 1:21:44
  the play the tape bag. I say you don't fully understand
• 1:21:47
  the story of Genesis because you believe Tristan Cris.
• 1:21:49
  I said the garden was the first account, the the next thing was
• 1:21:53
  like the remake, the carnal remake, but I equated to the
• 1:21:55
  simulation. I didn't say it wasn't real.
• 1:21:57
  We're here, we know it's real. We see all these things but but
• 1:22:01
  see you don't you don't understand my my point of view.
• 1:22:03
  So I don't want to make this into argument but, but I don't
• 1:22:07
  expect you as. I've read scripture quite a day.
• 1:22:10
  I don't. I don't even think like Adam and
• 1:22:12
  Eve if there wasn't Adam and Eve.
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  We're the first human beings. I don't think Scripture says
• 1:22:16
  that. I think Scripture clearly says
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  he made the nations of the world.
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  He had the first seven days, and then he made the Garden of Eden
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  and made Adam and Eve. Yeah.
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  And I believe that's the wrong way of interpreting Scripture.
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  Well, I mean, so when when Adam and Eve's children marry, they
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  don't marry Eve, right? I got again.
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  I got a question for you knocked as well as Rex.
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  Are you still there, Rex? I'm gonna take a quick break to
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  the bathroom. Yeah, stop.
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  Be. When you come back, I would like
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  to continue this and and run you down some questions.
• 1:22:46
  Oh, you guys. You guys.
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  In a peaceful one. But yeah, let me empty my
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  bladder so I can have plenty of time.
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  Okay. So Rex, my question is this.
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  I'll start with Rex first. Rex, you believe in a goddess
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  who created simulations and reality base and all this.
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  Now if your goddess were to have a vision today with you or take
• 1:23:07
  you out into the base reality and said that one of the scripts
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  or one of the things that the goddess is interested in is it
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  doesn't want gender on gender at once, man and woman.
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  Now if it tells you that the straight up what would you, how
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  would you react to that would you say, well no, I'm, I'm not
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  doing that. I'm not going along with that
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  view. How would you react to it?
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  And not the same as with you. I know that you're not really
• 1:23:34
  sure who it is, it's actually talking to you at this point or
• 1:23:37
  where the visions are coming from.
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  But if the entity or whatever it is comes to you and says look,
• 1:23:44
  this is. It starts laying out some things
• 1:23:47
  that it does not want to be done or or for you to endorse.
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  How would you react it out? All right, well let me give a
• 1:23:57
  quick answer first I it would seem to be kind of
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  contradictory. So I guess I would ask her why
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  and I would want to reason. I can see reasons for
• 1:24:07
  homosexuality is a is bad for society at times, but once you
• 1:24:13
  get to a certain technological level with it?
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  And you reproduce, you don't need the numbers as much and so
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  it's not bad for society. So I I guess I would ask why and
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  I would need a compelling reason.
• 1:24:24
  All right, so it gives you a couple reasons.
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  Perhaps. Let's just say for the hell of
• 1:24:30
  it, you don't like the reasons. You don't think they're good
• 1:24:32
  enough. So what now?
• 1:24:34
  You are standing before a goddess who's created the
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  simulation, who tells you what she wants in life for you.
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  What will you do? Will you say?
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  Well, you can just kiss my ass there, pal.
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  Or would you say all right? I suppose I did not like the
• 1:24:51
  reasons. Again, I don't think that the
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  creator of the simulation has Omni properties, so I would just
• 1:24:57
  assume that she was wrong. I I could also be wrong, but I
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  would assume based on my current thought process that she is
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  wrong. What if she made a deal with you
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  though, and said, I'll tell you what, I'll go ahead and let you
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  endorse us for the rest of your life.
• 1:25:11
  But for the next year you have to be gang banged by a bunch of
• 1:25:14
  males and all that over and over again.
• 1:25:17
  Would you say sure to that? I would say does my childhood
• 1:25:21
  count? Oh, that's rough.
• 1:25:24
  Goodness gracious. What about you knock?
• 1:25:26
  I know I'm getting a little rough there, but what's your
• 1:25:29
  opinion and why you guys are trying to figure that all out?
• 1:25:38
  I do need to make sure in case people ain't figured it out yet.
• 1:25:42
  I have no hatred or animosity towards homosexuals whatsoever.
• 1:25:47
  I've got plenty of friends that they have their own interests
• 1:25:50
  and all that. I believe that people can't help
• 1:25:53
  who they're attracted to, but you can help and choose who you
• 1:25:57
  actually sleep with. Bubble gut.
• 1:26:02
  I agree with you there. But where?
• 1:26:03
  Where in scripture, Brett, do you get that it it is wrong to
• 1:26:06
  be homosexual. Can you just walk me through
• 1:26:08
  scripturally where you where you get that idea?
• 1:26:10
  There's actually over 60 verses about homosexuality and then the
• 1:26:14
  New Testament. It's mentioned by Paul quite a
• 1:26:17
  bit. He mentions as being like a
• 1:26:19
  perversion. Also Revelations mentions that
• 1:26:23
  as well. Now, as far as I'm concerned,
• 1:26:25
  the first time I see it brought up in the Bible, whenever it
• 1:26:30
  comes to like a sexual deviancy or a problem is a story of Onan.
• 1:26:36
  I don't know if you guys are familiar with it.
• 1:26:37
  Mr. Stump probably is. I do have a doctorate in the
• 1:26:45
  Bible, so I am familiar. Well, you probably also, if if
• 1:26:51
  you are as well educated in the Bible as you are, you probably
• 1:26:53
  know the history as well. You do realize that humanity
• 1:26:57
  lived during a time where there were no cops, there were no
• 1:27:00
  guards and all that. There was no protectors.
• 1:27:03
  Quite a bit of time for primitive people, so people
• 1:27:07
  could do whatever they want. If you were out hunting or
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  something, or you sent your son out to go do some hunting while
• 1:27:13
  you took care of your sick wife or something like that, and a
• 1:27:16
  bunch of Raiders or bandits or whatever they're called back,
• 1:27:19
  then let's say meta Knights decide to abuse your son.
• 1:27:22
  Males doing abusive things to your son.
• 1:27:25
  What would you say about that? Because that's one of the things
• 1:27:27
  the Bible mentions on why it is God even started going against
• 1:27:31
  us. Well, I mean the Old Testament
• 1:27:33
  would say lex talionis, but we no longer live under that,
• 1:27:35
  right? No longer an eye for an eye.
• 1:27:37
  So we would kill these men for that.
• 1:27:39
  And that would be what the prescription in the Old
• 1:27:40
  Testament was. I get to the Old Testament is
• 1:27:43
  very clearly anti homosexual, but the New Testament is not
• 1:27:46
  saving Paul's opinion. But there's lots of things
• 1:27:49
  Paul's give his opinion on that you simply don't follow.
• 1:27:54
  I mean, sorry, Paul doesn't say it's his opinion.
• 1:27:57
  You know, I I'll tell you what I I find myself in a very unusual
• 1:28:02
  position there. Stump, are you there?
• 1:28:04
  Oh, yes, ma'am. For the longest time, even for
• 1:28:07
  the last six years, I've I've not made hardly any videos
• 1:28:13
  whatsoever where I even address homosexuality.
• 1:28:16
  I know it's a problem in the Bible.
• 1:28:19
  I know it's an issue with God. I get it and I know with a lot
• 1:28:22
  of Christians out there, it's a big deal.
• 1:28:24
  Hell, I even had a couple Christians dump me because they
• 1:28:26
  thought I was too loving and kind to homosexuals.
• 1:28:29
  But on the other hand, what I what I find weird is I had a
• 1:28:34
  Christian tell me a while back whenever I was an atheist.
• 1:28:38
  They said, you know what if you open up marriage and wedding?
• 1:28:42
  Weddings for homosexuals. You do realize pedophiles are
• 1:28:45
  next. And I'm like, oh, that's stupid.
• 1:28:47
  I actually said that is stupid, That's dumb that you would think
• 1:28:50
  that they would ever try to normalize pedophilia in society.
• 1:28:53
  I didn't think the human race was that disturbing or
• 1:28:56
  disgusting. But then I hear all these
• 1:28:59
  stories from people about what has happened to them whenever
• 1:29:01
  they were a child. I see all this crap on Twitter
• 1:29:04
  about what they're trying to push in the schools and and
• 1:29:08
  pushing the kids as face. Putting 13 year old kids and
• 1:29:11
  drag queen and having them prance around on a stage
• 1:29:14
  practically naked. I don't know what has happened
• 1:29:17
  to this world, but that Christian was right, what they
• 1:29:20
  told me a while back, and it's starting to anger me.
• 1:29:25
  I would say they're wrong, but I would say that deviance has been
• 1:29:29
  within humanity since the beginning of time.
• 1:29:31
  And I don't know. I have no problem fighting
• 1:29:35
  sexual deviance. Yeah, so.
• 1:29:38
  So let me let me jump in here again.
• 1:29:42
  I I do. I think that Rex is on the right
• 1:29:45
  track there. I I think that the Bible is kind
• 1:29:48
  of speaking against sexual deviants, you know, taking
• 1:29:50
  advantage of people sexually. But all right, so like gay
• 1:29:54
  marriage has been around for 10 years, right?
• 1:29:56
  Give or take. Priests and and preachers and
• 1:30:02
  and people in general have been molesting children for
• 1:30:06
  thousands. So I mean you, I don't think
• 1:30:09
  it's a very fair equation to to say, you know, gay marriage is
• 1:30:14
  opening the floodgates of pedophilia, pedophilia.
• 1:30:17
  Those floodgates have been open. And what gives pedophilia power
• 1:30:21
  is people not really wanting to address it.
• 1:30:26
  You know, I've made several videos on child abuse, child
• 1:30:32
  sexual abuse. People don't watch those videos,
• 1:30:35
  they're very uncomfortable videos.
• 1:30:36
  It's a very uncomfortable conversation, especially if
• 1:30:38
  you're a parent cuz you don't wanna think about the very true
• 1:30:41
  reality that 3 Doors Down. There's a, there's a, there's a
• 1:30:45
  damn pedophile. You you can't think like that
• 1:30:48
  because you'd never let your child outside the house, right?
• 1:30:52
  So we don't want to face the brute facts of it, but the brute
• 1:30:54
  facts is pedophilia's been around forever, forever.
• 1:30:58
  And until we address that, until we actually face it head on,
• 1:31:02
  it's going to continue to be around.
• 1:31:04
  And when it comes to like gay marriage leading to pedophiles
• 1:31:10
  being able to get married. That's just not the case.
• 1:31:14
  You're you're you're right. I don't see society as ever
• 1:31:16
  normalizing it. But we do normalize it when we
• 1:31:20
  don't talk about it or when we run away from the conversation.
• 1:31:23
  It's not because we started we we gave gay people the same
• 1:31:28
  legal rights that heterosexual people have enjoyed forever.
• 1:31:31
  It's because we refuse to tackle the conversation.
• 1:31:36
  Well, what I'm what I'm saying is, I'm not saying that if
• 1:31:39
  people get married and they're homosexuals that they're going
• 1:31:42
  to turn into pedophiles. The idea is, is that the
• 1:31:46
  pedophiles are literally in mainstream media using the same
• 1:31:51
  arguments that homosexuals did, like for example.
• 1:31:54
  And I even use this argument whenever I was non believer.
• 1:31:57
  The animals do it. The animals have, you know.
• 1:32:01
  They're homosexual sex. Dolphins like to tickle each
• 1:32:04
  other's holes and all that. So what are you going to do
• 1:32:07
  about that, you know? And then of course, I would
• 1:32:10
  throw God into the equation on that.
• 1:32:12
  However, it is true the they come along and they said, well,
• 1:32:17
  animals do it. It's a part of nature.
• 1:32:19
  And if there is no God, then why should we have any moral
• 1:32:22
  parameters on the issue? It's a very nihilistic view, but
• 1:32:25
  I'm seeing more and more of it and it's concerning me.
• 1:32:28
  It's not nihilistic, it's cynical.
• 1:32:32
  Hey. Hey, Rex.
• 1:32:34
  Hey. Hey, before you start talking
• 1:32:35
  real quick question. I sent you 2 text messages last
• 1:32:37
  talk about it. Did you see either of them?
• 1:32:39
  I just asked if you could see me chatting.
• 1:32:40
  Something is up. I just Brett can see me.
• 1:32:43
  I don't think anyone else can. No, I don't.
• 1:32:45
  No, I don't see him. OK.
• 1:32:47
  No big deal. I won't mention it again.
• 1:32:48
  Thanks. Good.
• 1:32:50
  Um, yeah. I think knock.
• 1:32:51
  My good point about not talking about like people don't wanna
• 1:32:54
  talk about they wanna touch it. And here's the thing with
• 1:32:57
  pedophiles. Pedophiles are gonna look for
• 1:32:59
  positions and put some. Closer to kids.
• 1:33:02
  So them being priests, them being school teachers, it's like
• 1:33:06
  no duh, no surprise. That's the positions they're
• 1:33:09
  going to look for. And nobody wants to talk about
• 1:33:12
  the amounts of pedophiles in correctional facilities for
• 1:33:14
  teenagers. It's basically a brothel there.
• 1:33:19
  But I I'm. Sorry, I'm trying to make it to
• 1:33:24
  where more people appear on the screen but it's giving me
• 1:33:27
  problems. Yeah, OK, all right.
• 1:33:29
  I thought it. Here's the reason why
• 1:33:32
  homosexuality, homosexuality is wrong.
• 1:33:37
  Here's the evil. You gotta understand.
• 1:33:40
  Evil requires some things you first you need, you need to know
• 1:33:43
  what you're doing. So it requires intention.
• 1:33:46
  You also need knowledge of what you're doing in that.
• 1:33:49
  And so you need those two combinations to know for it to
• 1:33:53
  be evil, for example. So if you have a a young team.
• 1:33:58
  Who gets drunk and you know ends up in a homosexual relationship.
• 1:34:03
  He wouldn't be considered evil, but somebody who knows, let's
• 1:34:08
  say something like Matt Delahunty, who knows he is the
• 1:34:12
  creation of God and know what and knows what he's doing.
• 1:34:17
  He is now considered evil because he's going against the
• 1:34:20
  creation. So God created for men to be
• 1:34:23
  with woman, not men to be with men.
• 1:34:26
  So this is akin to, like, let's say I'm an artist and I draw the
• 1:34:30
  Mona Lisa. And then like, I gave you like,
• 1:34:33
  hey, you could purchase this, but there are, you know, some
• 1:34:37
  turns and conditions. And then you, right after
• 1:34:40
  purchasing it, you shove it up your ass.
• 1:34:43
  Well, I get you're trying to mock me, but it it.
• 1:34:49
  It was within you doing that intentionally and knowing that
• 1:34:52
  you did that intentionally, that that right there is what makes
• 1:34:55
  it evil. It's whenever you're basically
• 1:35:02
  saying whenever they know better, but they go ahead and do
• 1:35:05
  it anyway. Well, yeah, they know what
• 1:35:07
  they're doing, and they're doing it intentionally because they're
• 1:35:09
  trying to mock God. Of course you can't mock God
• 1:35:13
  because, well, yes, you can mock God, but God won't be insulted.
• 1:35:16
  It's like at the end if I'm like.
• 1:35:19
  Well, if I'm the authority, if I'm like Kim Jongun in North
• 1:35:23
  Korea, and then I have like a peasant, I don't know, throw
• 1:35:26
  poop at me, sure, that's mockingly.
• 1:35:35
  If this was such a egregious thing to God, and I know
• 1:35:38
  Bubbles, I don't think you believe Jesus is God, that the
• 1:35:40
  other two people in the room have some thought like that,
• 1:35:43
  then why did Jesus not take any time to mention it?
• 1:35:29
  But do you think I'm gonna be triggered?
• 1:35:30
  No, I I just end him. I win at the end of the.
• 1:35:47
  Why only Paul later on give his opinion?
• 1:35:49
  He didn't like it. I I yeah, I think that's a that
• 1:35:55
  is a problem with Christian. Sometimes they don't really
• 1:35:57
  layout the laws, but they just kind of hint at it.
• 1:36:02
  Well, there's also an assumption of of knowledge of evil there.
• 1:36:06
  So you made a couple statements. You made a statement that gay
• 1:36:09
  people know that they're being evil when they're being gay.
• 1:36:13
  I don't necessarily think that's true.
• 1:36:16
  You made it. A comment about Matt Dillahunty
• 1:36:18
  knowing he's a child of God and and yet committing evil when he
• 1:36:23
  speaks against God. I definitely know that that's
• 1:36:25
  not true because I was an atheist for 20 years.
• 1:36:28
  I didn't. It took a very personal
• 1:36:30
  experience for me to come to even the very baby theist
• 1:36:34
  position that I have right now. It definitely but.
• 1:36:39
  It definitely wasn't me knowing better and and just doing
• 1:36:44
  otherwise For for 20 years I was an atheist.
• 1:36:47
  For six years I was a very vocal atheist and I believed
• 1:36:50
  everything that I said there, there was number knowledge or
• 1:36:54
  intent to break knowledge there. You're assuming that you know
• 1:36:59
  things about people you can't possibly know.
• 1:37:01
  You know. There's a difference.
• 1:37:03
  Let me point out something real quick and I want you guys
• 1:37:06
  opinion on this there. As you know, there's been
• 1:37:10
  parades that are going on and all this.
• 1:37:12
  And there was a parade that I seen on a video where they, one
• 1:37:17
  of the homosexuals, actually wanted to imitate Jesus and made
• 1:37:21
  himself look like he was on a cross.
• 1:37:23
  And one of the things that were going on through the crowd while
• 1:37:26
  another guy, he was barely dressed at all, started, you
• 1:37:31
  know, rubbing all up on him, getting up on him.
• 1:37:34
  And I I don't understand for the life of me why is it that
• 1:37:37
  atheists and nonbelievers, most of them believe that there was a
• 1:37:42
  man named Jesus that existed. They just have a problem with
• 1:37:45
  the supernatural and the God part of it.
• 1:37:48
  But why don't they say something about that?
• 1:37:50
  Why don't they get make videos where they say this is wrong?
• 1:37:54
  This is not right to do. I mean, even if they didn't show
• 1:37:58
  any value in Jesus at all, but the idea that someone died and
• 1:38:03
  then someone's imitating the death of a person while someone
• 1:38:06
  else is basically probing them, don't you find that immoral at
• 1:38:11
  all? I can tell you personally,
• 1:38:13
  Brett, from my personal experience, most most atheists
• 1:38:17
  do speak up about it. Most the atheists do believe it
• 1:38:19
  in a historical Jesus. Now they believe that that Jesus
• 1:38:22
  was Yeshua Ben Yosef. Most likely that's the name that
• 1:38:28
  most people go with. But they believe he was a Jewish
• 1:38:30
  rabbi and he was nothing more than that.
• 1:38:33
  And I can, I can tell you this because I spent the last two
• 1:38:36
  years as a mythicist arguing with atheist about it.
• 1:38:40
  And as in most atheists. I do accept the historical
• 1:38:43
  Jesus, so mythicists are a minority amongst the atheist
• 1:38:45
  community. I was a vocal member of that
• 1:38:48
  minority and I took a lot of shit for it.
• 1:38:53
  I'm saying it's. Something to defend the
• 1:38:54
  mythicism It's. Going to make the point just you
• 1:38:59
  don't have to believe in what you know.
• 1:39:00
  For example, Erin Raw knows there's a God, but he's a
• 1:39:03
  sadist. So atheism is just basically
• 1:39:07
  says. Normal.
• 1:39:08
  And you know the potato is the master of the universe you're
• 1:39:11
  just lying to. Yourself Well and and Aaron Ross
• 1:39:13
  not really a Satanist. He he belongs to the Temple of
• 1:39:15
  Satanist more of a political stance than it, than it is an
• 1:39:18
  actual Satanist. No, he's he's an actual
• 1:39:21
  practicer of Satanist. He he goes to the temple.
• 1:39:24
  But again, most of the people in that sect of Satanism aren't
• 1:39:29
  it's it's a religion without deity, like Buddhism is.
• 1:39:32
  Here's the thing. Anything just means you don't
• 1:39:36
  believe in God. But guess who else doesn't
• 1:39:38
  believe in Jesus? Satanist.
• 1:39:41
  So Satanist can take up the label atheism and hide under it.
• 1:39:45
  Every RAW is a Satanist. He.
• 1:39:46
  Is no. But what I'm saying is the most
• 1:39:49
  now. There's still your traditional
• 1:39:51
  Satanist. I can think of 1.
• 1:39:52
  I did. I did a couple videos on him.
• 1:39:54
  Pazuzu Algorad. He lived in Clemens, North
• 1:39:56
  Carolina, the town over from where I grew up.
• 1:39:58
  In the time that I was growing up, I'm surprised I never met
• 1:40:00
  the guy. He was an actual Satanist.
• 1:40:03
  There's actual Satanists out there that do ceremony, that do,
• 1:40:07
  you know, black magic, whatever, right?
• 1:40:09
  And then there's the temple of Satan.
• 1:40:11
  And and some of those Satanists I will grant you believe in the
• 1:40:15
  deity Satan, right? But most of them?
• 1:40:19
  It's not. It's a political statement.
• 1:40:21
  It's a fight against religion. In schools mostly, but but
• 1:40:25
  religion in society broadly. I know plenty of those
• 1:40:29
  Satanists. I am friends with them and they
• 1:40:31
  do not believe in a literal Satan.
• 1:40:34
  Or they believe that Satan is the God figure, the good figure,
• 1:40:38
  and and and God is the bad figure.
• 1:40:41
  You know, it's a it's usually one or the two.
• 1:40:44
  Now you do still have those traditional Satanists from the
• 1:40:47
  whole Satanic panic back in the day, I grant you that.
• 1:40:50
  But what I'm saying is ARNRA joined a political movement.
• 1:40:55
  That's what I'm. Saying no, Evan Raw actually was
• 1:40:58
  practicing Satanist. He actually was in touch with a
• 1:41:01
  paranormal This is his owns words.
• 1:41:04
  Maybe. So.
• 1:41:05
  I'm not a I'm not an expert on ARNRA, but I'm just.
• 1:41:08
  Yeah, so like, maybe, but I doubt it.
• 1:41:11
  Yeah, he wasn't actually saying. Link link The video bubbles
• 1:41:14
  because I I also press X to doubt.
• 1:41:16
  No, this was one of his modern day debates.
• 1:41:19
  He's he mentioned this, so I would have like look through all
• 1:41:22
  those. So basically.
• 1:41:23
  I don't know if you knew this, Mr. Darth, but I actually had a
• 1:41:27
  bunch of Satanist coming to the show a long while back and they
• 1:41:31
  all were claiming that they weren't theistic Satanist that.
• 1:41:35
  They were actually atheist. Satanists 1 even said I'm a
• 1:41:38
  deist. I do believe that there's some
• 1:41:40
  form of God. It's just not interactive.
• 1:41:42
  I believe in my evil force. That's the type of sadness that
• 1:41:45
  I I know, yeah. Yeah, the the issue was though,
• 1:41:49
  when I checked out there, when they gave me their website and
• 1:41:52
  all that, I looked around on it and I've seen that they actually
• 1:41:55
  had prayers and and all this other kind of stuff and I asked
• 1:41:59
  them while they were actually on the show, I said.
• 1:42:01
  Why does your website say that you do this kind of rituals?
• 1:42:04
  Why is it that it says that you're actually praying to the
• 1:42:07
  entity and all this if you don't believe it's actually real?
• 1:42:11
  They well that that's for some people who are interested.
• 1:42:14
  So, I mean, they are Satanist, so should we really even take
• 1:42:18
  what they're saying now, you know, with I would argue,
• 1:42:21
  because because I do know quite a few of them.
• 1:42:23
  A lot of them do those those rituals to piss off Christians
• 1:42:27
  or to make a point. A lot of them will do those
• 1:42:30
  rituals publicly to make a point.
• 1:42:33
  Hey, you get to do yours publicly, so let's make you a
• 1:42:36
  bit uncomfortable. It's all a political statement.
• 1:42:38
  Not all, but most of what they're doing is a political.
• 1:42:42
  Statement it might be. It might be just a theatrical
• 1:42:46
  for like a few members, but those in the know within that
• 1:42:50
  group know they are doing actual ritual.
• 1:42:59
  How long have you been a migrator, Bubbles?
• 1:43:02
  No, it's because I know there's a bunch of actual Satanists
• 1:43:05
  hiding under the label of atheism, and Ross being one of
• 1:43:08
  them. Well, there's an easy way to be
• 1:43:11
  able to approve what we're talking about, Mr. Darth.
• 1:43:14
  There's thousands of videos on YouTube.
• 1:43:16
  I've watched quite a few of them where Satanists ended up leaving
• 1:43:21
  Satanism and then they become a theist and they tell their war
• 1:43:24
  stories about what it was like and what they got put through.
• 1:43:27
  So. Yeah, I just, whenever I hear
• 1:43:30
  people say, well, I'm doing it for this either way, even if
• 1:43:33
  they don't believe in it, but they're doing it to piss people
• 1:43:36
  off. They're not contributing
• 1:43:39
  anything good to the world anyway.
• 1:43:41
  They're useless. They're cockroaches, right?
• 1:43:43
  I would say that some of those stories are true, some of those
• 1:43:46
  videos are true. Some of those people probably
• 1:43:48
  had real experiences that that freaked them out and they can't
• 1:43:52
  explain it. Vast majority of them.
• 1:43:55
  People are lying to your dog. They're making shit up to get
• 1:43:58
  views, to get money. They're making it as fantastical
• 1:44:01
  as they can. I've done a couple videos on
• 1:44:05
  this guy Ramirez. I can't remember his first name,
• 1:44:08
  but he's pretty well known for this.
• 1:44:11
  A former Satanist that that became a Christian and tells all
• 1:44:14
  on Satanism. And he'll talk about how Satan's
• 1:44:17
  with Satanist would you know, curse Halloween candy and just
• 1:44:21
  just crazy crazy, crazy stuff. And it's all fantastical and all
• 1:44:25
  designed to make him famous and wealthy and and to to really
• 1:44:30
  grift the income of believers. Now, I'm not saying that some of
• 1:44:34
  them aren't true. I think that some people have
• 1:44:37
  lived some really messed up experiences.
• 1:44:39
  You know, a lot of atheists dismissed the Satanic panic.
• 1:44:42
  It was a real thing. People were getting into it back
• 1:44:44
  in the late 70s, early 80s. Again, I mentioned Pazuzu
• 1:44:48
  Algorad who definitely took it as a very literal thing.
• 1:44:53
  So they are out there, but a lot of people on the Internet grift
• 1:44:57
  and and that's just the sad fact of Internet.
• 1:45:00
  Yeah, the thing I was a total grifter.
• 1:45:02
  I was a teenager during the Satanic Panic.
• 1:45:04
  And yes, my buddy's parents were like actual Satanist.
• 1:45:08
  You know, not the kind who are just political Satanist, but the
• 1:45:11
  yeah, yeah, the rituals, all that fun stuff.
• 1:45:13
  Yeah, there's an actual A lot of atheists will dismiss that.
• 1:45:17
  But there was actual crazy shit going on back.
• 1:45:20
  Then people got killed like that was a no joke.
• 1:45:22
  People actually got killed doing that thing.
• 1:45:23
  Well, they killed animals and stuff.
• 1:45:25
  They never killed people. Nothing.
• 1:45:27
  They did kill. OK, the people that I knew that,
• 1:45:29
  yeah, it was very rare, like some people did get killed.
• 1:45:32
  Pazuzu Alvarad is is one, He did kill two people in satanic
• 1:45:36
  ritual. But yeah, it was very it was
• 1:45:39
  very rare. Most of them were killing
• 1:45:41
  animals. Pazuzu, he started out his mom,
• 1:45:44
  I think it was a rabbit. She would go buy a rabbit every
• 1:45:47
  Friday and he would sacrifice it.
• 1:45:49
  So it started with animals, and for him it progressed to human
• 1:45:52
  beings. And back in the late 70s, there
• 1:45:54
  were definitely some cults, satanic cults that were
• 1:45:58
  sacrificing human beings, but it was a very rare thing.
• 1:46:01
  But you do know why they do it right?
• 1:46:03
  Oh, before you guys continue on about the filthy bastards of the
• 1:46:07
  world. I wanted to let not know
• 1:46:09
  something. I don't know if you heard about
• 1:46:11
  the new feature that Stream Yards has not, but you can
• 1:46:15
  actually stream from someone else's show now to your own
• 1:46:19
  channels and all that. Just to let you know.
• 1:46:22
  I didn't know that. Yeah, I've been gone so long, I
• 1:46:25
  don't, you know, I anything that's happened the last three
• 1:46:29
  months, I have no idea. Well, let's say you got a buddy
• 1:46:33
  who's putting it out there and he gives you the link early,
• 1:46:35
  before the show even starts. If you come in, there's a button
• 1:46:39
  at the top. You know normally where you hit
• 1:46:42
  live. Well, if it's not your room and
• 1:46:44
  you look up, there's a button, say broadcast, and just connect
• 1:46:48
  it to your channel and all that. Boom, you can actually broadcast
• 1:46:53
  at the same time. It's pretty cool.
• 1:46:58
  Yeah, I'll. I'll have to look into that once
• 1:47:00
  I start streaming again. Yeah, that that's an interesting
• 1:47:03
  feature there. There's there's plenty of shows
• 1:47:05
  that I go on, you know, and if they're good, if they're good
• 1:47:08
  conversations, I'll usually put them on my channel.
• 1:47:11
  But it would be nice to be able to just be like, hey Gur, you
• 1:47:13
  know, I'm gonna be on your show tonight, so, you know, it's
• 1:47:17
  gonna be on my channel too. I give everybody permission.
• 1:47:22
  If they want to do it, they can do it.
• 1:47:24
  I just thought you'd think that was neat because I know that you
• 1:47:27
  do like to frequent a lot of different shows.
• 1:47:31
  Back to evil Satanism and, you know, dirty people of the
• 1:47:34
  planet. I want to.
• 1:47:37
  I want to bring a different view on Satan if I could.
• 1:47:40
  I believe Satan and Satanist and atheist.
• 1:47:44
  I wanted the same creature. The person who rejects God,
• 1:47:47
  right? He makes himself God, but unless
• 1:47:49
  there's some other God he believes in.
• 1:47:52
  But if you you reject God, you make yourself God.
• 1:47:54
  These are the the Satanists and atheists share that same belief
• 1:47:57
  that they're the God of their own world, own universe.
• 1:48:00
  I think scripture bears us out. When we read scripture, we see
• 1:48:04
  that Lucifer is described as the fallen Angel that wants to be
• 1:48:08
  like the Most High, yet we see it in the Garden Eden story.
• 1:48:12
  We see that the serpent who people equate to Satan.
• 1:48:16
  Tells Eve you will be like the Most High.
• 1:48:18
  Not I will be like the Most High.
• 1:48:20
  He says you will be like the Most High knowing good and evil.
• 1:48:24
  So when Christians interpret the Bible, say that Satan is an
• 1:48:28
  individual being, some guy walking around with a pitchfork
• 1:48:30
  in the horns and is trying to do evil things, I think they're
• 1:48:33
  plainly wrong because Scripture does not back that up.
• 1:48:36
  It says clearly that Lucifer wants to be like the Most High,
• 1:48:40
  yet it wasn't the serpent in the Garden who we interpret as
• 1:48:43
  Satan, Lucifer for the Devil. Who said this?
• 1:48:45
  He said it to Eve, and Eve fell for it and ate from that tree.
• 1:48:48
  Right? Mankind who checks God and
• 1:48:51
  accepts their own word is a Satanist, and that's what they
• 1:48:55
  are. So a Satanist in the traditional
• 1:49:02
  meaning of the word, like a true Satanist, right?
• 1:49:04
  Somebody that worships the devil.
• 1:49:05
  I don't think that they can reject God.
• 1:49:07
  It's part of their theology. I think that they probably have
• 1:49:12
  a different view on Satan than you do, but I think to compare
• 1:49:15
  atheists and Satanists, it's not very logical.
• 1:49:20
  Atheists, we have a lack of a belief.
• 1:49:23
  Satanist in the traditional sense would definitely be
• 1:49:25
  theist. Well, here's the thing.
• 1:49:28
  Satanist doesn't have to believe in God.
• 1:49:32
  They know there's a God, but you don't have to believe in God.
• 1:49:36
  For example, I can be an atheist against cats.
• 1:49:38
  I I can know there's cats. I just, I don't.
• 1:49:40
  I just don't have to believe that there's cats.
• 1:49:45
  The Church of Satan is that. Are those actual Satanists or
• 1:49:47
  who are they? Does anybody know that like the
• 1:49:50
  Church of Satan? Are Lavey and Satanists?
• 1:49:52
  And no, they don't. Most of them don't believe in
• 1:49:54
  any deities at all. They just.
• 1:49:55
  Don't exactly. Right.
• 1:49:56
  Yeah, that's the. Ones I understand from, yeah,
• 1:49:58
  but I'm. Pretty sure like the upper guys
• 1:50:00
  are true satanists. They could be.
• 1:50:03
  I have no way of knowing. I mean, yeah, I think unless you
• 1:50:08
  actually talk to them where they came out and admitted it.
• 1:50:10
  I mean, that's just an assumption.
• 1:50:13
  Well, there's a they have a statement of policy or something
• 1:50:16
  I was trying to find. Because they say that.
• 1:50:17
  They say that the two things they say that they don't believe
• 1:50:20
  there is a God, and they say that man himself is God and we
• 1:50:23
  just a higher form of animal and we're ourself, our God of our
• 1:50:27
  own universe. Yeah, that's.
• 1:50:28
  Misunderstanding from so that that would be a very non
• 1:50:31
  theistic, very naturalist worldview, right?
• 1:50:34
  So that that would not be your traditional Satanist by any
• 1:50:38
  standards, because the traditional state Satanist is a
• 1:50:41
  theist. They do believe in a deity,
• 1:50:42
  Lucifer. I think that.
• 1:50:46
  I got the deity from the Bible, believe it or not.
• 1:50:48
  Just Trump got humanism with with theater glows on.
• 1:50:51
  I think they're trying to avoid saying there is no God, because
• 1:50:53
  as soon as you make that statement, there is no God.
• 1:50:56
  You get into a legal, you get into a legal trouble.
• 1:51:01
  How do you get in legal trouble? Corona, I think you get in
• 1:51:05
  trouble. Me personally, I think I was in
• 1:51:09
  trouble for a very long time when it comes to my knowledge.
• 1:51:13
  You know, I was, I was making a knowledge.
• 1:51:15
  When you're making a claim that there is no God, you're making a
• 1:51:17
  knowledge claim, right? I think that's the trouble you
• 1:51:21
  get into as a knowledge trouble. I don't see how you get into
• 1:51:23
  legal trouble. For example, demons are actually
• 1:51:26
  very legalistic. So you have, you have your God
• 1:51:30
  giving you free will. And so let's say, let's say
• 1:51:35
  maybe you're like in your 20s and you give yourself, you know,
• 1:51:38
  you say, quote, UN quote, hey, demons, you can have myself.
• 1:51:43
  And then, you know, maybe 20, maybe 10 years down the line,
• 1:51:47
  you know you're all fine. But then you hit rock bottom in
• 1:51:50
  your 30s, and then now the demons will come in and say,
• 1:51:54
  hey, you remember that we accept.
• 1:51:57
  But now what God has to do, God has to accept your free will,
• 1:52:01
  choice of giving your soul away. So whatever, whatever thing you
• 1:52:05
  say, we speak with your tongue in this world.
• 1:52:08
  God has to know. Accepted also in the next SO.
• 1:52:17
  So if I say next life I'll be super God ask let me be super
• 1:52:21
  God. No, you can do whatever you want
• 1:52:26
  with your soul, but as a term, as you know.
• 1:52:30
  You can sell it away. You have a freeway of choice
• 1:52:33
  that that doesn't mean you have the ability to do whatever you.
• 1:52:36
  Want. Well, like I have limited free
• 1:52:37
  will because like I just say right now, God, I want you to
• 1:52:40
  take my soul. Definitely don't send it to.
• 1:52:41
  Hell no. Free will don't.
• 1:52:43
  Don't punish me. Don't punish my soul.
• 1:52:44
  That's what I. Want no free will means your
• 1:52:46
  consciousness isn't being controlled.
• 1:52:48
  That's all free will means. It doesn't mean you get like to.
• 1:52:50
  Do. So somebody give you ultimate
• 1:52:54
  power that doesn't. That doesn't what Free.
• 1:52:57
  Free will doesn't mean that I'm not.
• 1:53:04
  Maybe I'm just not understanding you.
• 1:53:05
  So you made a claim that I don't know if you were talking about
• 1:53:10
  atheist Satanist. I don't really know who you're
• 1:53:12
  talking about. But like, we say things and then
• 1:53:14
  we hit rock bottom and the demons take over, right?
• 1:53:17
  I can tell you very my personal experience that I had that that
• 1:53:20
  made me a baby theist again, that made me reject me in the
• 1:53:23
  raging atheist, made me reject being a hard atheist.
• 1:53:25
  Mainly open to the divine was me hitting rock bottom.
• 1:53:29
  And it wasn't. It wasn't demons overtaking me
• 1:53:32
  or or or them coming to fulfill some pact that I made 20 years
• 1:53:36
  ago. It was me coming to the
• 1:53:38
  conclusion that I was just simply wrong about about things,
• 1:53:43
  you know and and that was in my absolute most rock bottom.
• 1:53:46
  I my absolute most rock bottom. So I I I You can't have a
• 1:53:51
  conversation or with things that you don't believe in, and you
• 1:53:55
  can't give away a thing that you don't believe in.
• 1:53:59
  So this is the thing. Demons can't say there is no
• 1:54:02
  God. So demons don't have to believe
• 1:54:04
  in God, but they can't say there is no God.
• 1:54:07
  Again, it's it's it's illegal. How do you know this?
• 1:54:10
  Cuz they are legal You like that?
• 1:54:13
  Like have you have you spoken to demons like you?
• 1:54:17
  Is is a demon your best friend? Like how do you know this?
• 1:54:20
  Because OK, the same reason that demon just can't take over your
• 1:54:24
  body. You have to give it permission.
• 1:54:27
  How do you know? Like so if there is a demon, if
• 1:54:29
  there is a supernatural entity out there that that that can
• 1:54:34
  influence you, how do you know it can't take over your body?
• 1:54:37
  I mean, no, you can't. Take over your body.
• 1:54:39
  The Christian theology would kind of argue against that.
• 1:54:41
  I mean, 2000 years of Christian theology would argue against
• 1:54:45
  that, or there'd be no need for exorcism.
• 1:54:47
  No. Yeah, and the.
• 1:54:49
  In in Christianity you don't have to.
• 1:54:52
  In some cases there was no choice made, there was just
• 1:54:56
  simply the possession that. No, you you have to give them.
• 1:54:59
  You have to give them the legal right to it because they can't
• 1:55:02
  do it. Well, that might be as a
• 1:55:03
  Christian, because the Bible's very explicit that Christians
• 1:55:06
  can't be inhabited by demons. So maybe, if you like.
• 1:55:09
  Are you saying maybe? In that scenario you could have
• 1:55:11
  to ask a demon to come in if the Bible's very implicit that a
• 1:55:13
  Christian cannot be? Possessed.
• 1:55:15
  Yeah. Christian, the question cannot
• 1:55:16
  be so so. They're under the legality of
• 1:55:19
  the Christian God. So because if demons could just
• 1:55:23
  possess anybody, they would just do it and just kill everybody.
• 1:55:26
  Because again, why do Satanists do all this thing, You know,
• 1:55:30
  kill people, kill buddies. Why they doing that?
• 1:55:33
  Because they cannot kill God. So what's the next best thing
• 1:55:36
  they can do to hurt God? You kill his creation.
• 1:55:39
  So when homosexuals intentionally, satanic
• 1:55:44
  homosexuals intentionally, you know?
• 1:55:47
  Do the little homosexuality, it's meant to be an upfront
• 1:55:51
  towards God, then they know what they're doing.
• 1:55:53
  So when you have these new new LGBT pastors who say God is gay,
• 1:55:59
  they know what they're doing. Hey, I got.
• 1:56:03
  I gotta go. Bread.
• 1:56:04
  Thanks for having me, brothers. I appreciate you guys.
• 1:56:06
  Conversation was it was a good time.
• 1:56:08
  The truth and the life. All right.
• 1:56:13
  Good night, brothers. All right, man, this is so.
• 1:56:18
  All right. I will grant you, homosexuals
• 1:56:22
  are just as capable of sexual deviancy as heterosexuals.
• 1:56:27
  I mean. Well, I'm not.
• 1:56:30
  I'm not saying cuz they are, but no.
• 1:56:33
  But you are saying you are saying that homosexuals are like
• 1:56:39
  literally, you know, like spitting in God's eye when
• 1:56:42
  they're when they're in love with somebody and having sex
• 1:56:45
  with them like I. Is it the same for the
• 1:56:49
  adulterer? I mean, I.
• 1:56:51
  It's it's only spitting in their face once it come to knowledge
• 1:56:54
  and intention. So I've been I've been with my
• 1:56:56
  partner for a long time and we've never got married.
• 1:56:58
  I was married to my first wife, but we have a kid together, so
• 1:57:01
  every time we are intimate, am I spitting in God's face?
• 1:57:05
  Say what? My partner We're not married,
• 1:57:08
  never got married, never took the time.
• 1:57:09
  Neither of us want to. We think it's kind of pointless
• 1:57:11
  and it just it does tax stuff that we don't want.
• 1:57:14
  So every time we're intimate, are we?
• 1:57:16
  Are we an affront to God? No, Rex, you do realize you've
• 1:57:20
  had quite a few conversations with Darth and the show?
• 1:57:23
  You do realize that he doesn't claim to be a Christian, right?
• 1:57:28
  Right, right. Plus, that's not even a
• 1:57:29
  Christian. The the Old Testament.
• 1:57:32
  The Old Testament isn't even an effect.
• 1:57:35
  Right. I was just trying to see if he
• 1:57:36
  was consistent with this thought.
• 1:57:37
  I just said if it. So it's the it's the homosexual
• 1:57:40
  act. It's not the fact they aren't
• 1:57:42
  married. Or what it's it's not.
• 1:57:44
  That the problem with It's not right.
• 1:57:47
  Heterosexual acts between consenting adults are not in the
• 1:57:50
  front of God. It's not the act in and of
• 1:57:52
  itself, so you need it's. Also, it's the act plus
• 1:57:55
  intention plus knowledge, so you need to know what you're doing
• 1:58:00
  and intentionally doing it. So for example.
• 1:58:04
  Get a little personal here. So for example, a couple of
• 1:58:06
  weeks ago proverbs guide them were telling me that certain
• 1:58:10
  sexual acts or went affront to God or were sexually devious.
• 1:58:13
  And I thought, well, I can't be. And so I went on my way to do
• 1:58:16
  them because I'm like, that's silly.
• 1:58:18
  So I had the intent because I thought that's silly.
• 1:58:21
  So was I? Was I them blaspheming God?
• 1:58:23
  I mean are you shoving like a jar?
• 1:58:26
  A class jar after ass. No, it's just like a consensual
• 1:58:31
  anal stuff with my partner. Her.
• 1:58:33
  Not me. So she was like, wait, were you
• 1:58:38
  the one getting pounded? Or was she doing the pounding?
• 1:58:41
  No, no, I was, I was the penetrator.
• 1:58:42
  I was it was normal penetration or why does that matter though?
• 1:58:46
  Right. But I mean, I'm just saying that
• 1:58:47
  scenario. I guess it could matter.
• 1:58:48
  Maybe it's somewhat wrong if she's I don't want to be paid
• 1:58:50
  because I have hemorrhoids, but maybe, uh, maybe if I didn't.
• 1:58:53
  Ouch. Yeah.
• 1:58:54
  I mean, it's only wrong if you don't want that.
• 1:58:56
  Like, I think what's being lost here is that that people having
• 1:59:03
  consensual relationships. I just don't understand the
• 1:59:06
  issue with that. Like, come on, I think you're
• 1:59:08
  trying to say like Satanist, maybe?
• 1:59:11
  I don't get it. Like, I haven't been a single
• 1:59:14
  gay person that has made a deal with the demon to be gay like
• 1:59:20
  that. That's most gay people I would,
• 1:59:22
  I talk to would tell you, like, if they had a choice, they
• 1:59:24
  wouldn't be gay. Who wants to be ostracized?
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  Who wants who? Who wants to have three straight
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  men, four straight men here talking about them like this,
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  right? Like, you know who wants that?
• 1:59:35
  You're like if you're a Satanist, you're going to do
• 1:59:38
  whatever the you know, whatever the demons tell you is an
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  upfront to God. So the the demons will utilize
• 1:59:44
  your body which is created by God.
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  Has an upfront to him cuz they can't hurt God.
• 1:59:51
  Do you actually believe in demons?
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  Yeah, like every, every, every religion has demons.
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  All right, fair enough. Do you think Islam and Jen are
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  just demons too? No, I don't think goals are
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  demons, so I do believe in goals.
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  Again, I I think you're making a knowledge claim there that you
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  can't possibly. No.
• 2:00:11
  You say every religion has God is I I can't.
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  Or has demons. I I can't.
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  I mean, if you know anything about history, you would know
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  that there's a crazy amount of religions that we've just lost
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  to time in history. Like, you can't make that claim
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  that every religion has demons. Quite a few don't.
• 2:00:28
  Jainism, as far as I know, has no demons in it, right?
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  Like Buddhism, as far as I know, doesn't really have demons.
• 2:00:37
  Well, Buddhism is just like it's just a spin off of Hinduism and
• 2:00:41
  Hinduism has like more Hells than a personality.
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  You can say that Buddhism gets its roots from Hinduism, but
• 2:00:47
  they're quite. Different modern Buddhism.
• 2:00:49
  Is mainly most people that practice Buddhism in the modern
• 2:00:54
  day don't have a deity. Here's the thing.
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  Buddhism is basically a made-up religion.
• 2:01:01
  I mean, you could say that about all of them.
• 2:01:03
  It literally is. All links are made-up.
• 2:01:06
  Except now, Well, no. We have a record.
• 2:01:08
  We have a record of Buddhism being made-up, that's what.
• 2:01:10
  Technically, we. Have a record.
• 2:01:12
  There are people being made-up. There are.
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  People, there are people technically.
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  Are you guys able to hear me? Yeah.
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  Technically, there are obviously some Buddhists who.
• 2:01:24
  Respect and they attribute their ideas to Buddhism by the
• 2:01:28
  philosophy. But there are theistic Buddhists
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  out. Oh yeah, I'm not saying that
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  there's not, but I'm just saying the majority, the majority,
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  especially in Western civilization, are non theistic.
• 2:01:43
  To be one with any particular God so they could still believe
• 2:01:47
  it. Again, if you're practicing
• 2:01:48
  Buddhism and trying to reach enlightenment or Nirvana, you're
• 2:01:51
  not necessarily doing it in. For gods.
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  Yeah, I mean, and most Buddhists, they they would.
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  I mean most Buddhists that are theistic would probably have
• 2:02:01
  more of a Hinduish Hindu God. There's not a single Buddhist
• 2:02:05
  that I would know that would sit there and tell you like Buddha
• 2:02:07
  is some some God or or Messiah of God.
• 2:02:11
  Buddha is a teacher. He's a human teacher that
• 2:02:14
  teaches us a path. Yeah, that's the thing.
• 2:02:17
  Buddhism is just trying to have the divinity without the divine.
• 2:02:20
  It's just like it's just like coach, coach culture.
• 2:02:25
  I agree with you. And how do you know that that's
• 2:02:27
  the wrong path to take? Because it's it's literally
• 2:02:31
  made-up. Everything's made.
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  Up Take a moment to welcome Proverbs Guy to the room, if
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  that's really him. Is that the real Proverbs guy,
• 2:02:40
  not a socket count? Unfortunately, it's the one and
• 2:02:44
  only Proverbs guy. Just making through someone
• 2:02:47
  ain't trolling you there, guy. Nobody would want to pretend to
• 2:02:51
  be me, I assure you, Brett. Well, I've been pretending to be
• 2:02:54
  you with credit cards for a couple of weeks now.
• 2:02:56
  I don't know. I got a lot of people that
• 2:02:58
  pretend to be me, and if you can pretend to be me, you can
• 2:03:00
  pretend to be anybody because I'm an asshole.
• 2:03:03
  Trump was in your earlier proverbs.
• 2:03:06
  The discussions been all over the place.
• 2:03:08
  It's either about Buddhism or it's about Satanist and what
• 2:03:11
  cockroaches they are, and also people's views against
• 2:03:15
  homosexuality or for it. What's your views there, Mr.
• 2:03:18
  Proverbs? Or do you not want to get into
• 2:03:20
  the hot plate just so quickly? And real quick, I want to say
• 2:03:23
  I'm really enjoying this conversation.
• 2:03:25
  I hope nobody thinks that I'm offended or being mad at them.
• 2:03:28
  I'm enjoying the conversation. I think it's a I think it's a
• 2:03:31
  great conversation. No, I I actually agreed with you
• 2:03:35
  earlier too, whenever you said that people should acknowledge
• 2:03:38
  and talk more about what's going on with pedophiles in the world.
• 2:03:42
  The only reason why a lot of people, including myself, don't
• 2:03:45
  do more videos about abuse and all that kind of stuff is
• 2:03:48
  YouTube. They got an AI that runs over
• 2:03:51
  our captions. And.
• 2:03:53
  Information. They screw us over on that shut
• 2:03:56
  or I'd be making a lot of videos.
• 2:03:58
  I've actually suffered some great deals of abuse growing up
• 2:04:01
  and I can talk a lot about it. I agree with you there.
• 2:04:05
  I definitely think that that's that's a definite issue every
• 2:04:08
  single video that I've made. Dealing.
• 2:04:10
  Not even with just pedophilia, but just just child abuse in
• 2:04:14
  general. Demonetized and very likely to
• 2:04:17
  be taken down altogether. Yeah, I.
• 2:04:20
  Was thinking about starting to put up some stories, but Tik
• 2:04:23
  Tok's pretty pretty free with you can say whatever you want on
• 2:04:26
  there for the most part. I haven't had anybody else taken
• 2:04:28
  down, and I've talked about some pretty egregious stuff on there.
• 2:04:32
  Yeah, if you're going to do something where you just going
• 2:04:34
  to let everything fly and all that, you got to use Rumble or
• 2:04:39
  Odyssey or something like that. YouTube, even this conversation
• 2:04:43
  we're having is it. To me, it's pretty tame and I
• 2:04:47
  enjoy actually getting into the depth of morality and ideas and
• 2:04:51
  how people exist. But YouTube?
• 2:04:53
  I have no idea how they're going to act towards this damn video
• 2:04:57
  and whether they like it or not, All my stuff gets imported to
• 2:05:00
  Rumble anyway. I think people will come.
• 2:05:03
  I mean, we're the only people who.
• 2:05:05
  Actually, will talk. About it.
• 2:05:08
  I think that the problem is that lots, lots of people have just a
• 2:05:11
  few. There's, well, my personal
• 2:05:13
  opinion, like there's a few issues that I have with
• 2:05:15
  Christianity that I just personally don't like, and
• 2:05:18
  homosexuality is one of them. Thought crimes is the other
• 2:05:21
  term, prediction. So there's.
• 2:05:22
  It's like the. Homosexuality one is is I think
• 2:05:25
  the the biggest one that hurts Christianity from seeing the
• 2:05:28
  spread because it takes a stance on things that most people.
• 2:05:32
  Do not find objectionable anymore.
• 2:05:34
  What's the thing if if you're just gonna say the axiom is
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  consent, A child can consent and so we gotta.
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  No, a child, a child can't consent.
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  Yes they can. They can say the words, but they
• 2:05:47
  don't have the capacity to consent.
• 2:05:49
  Yes, they can. They have the competitive
• 2:05:51
  consent. Well, don't if you believe that
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  you might wind up in prison. So just you're wrong.
• 2:05:56
  No. OK, not all children would be
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  like knowledgeable what the heck they're doing.
• 2:06:01
  But they can't consent. Well consent I think consent
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  does require knowledge. I mean what is the definition of
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  consent? Cuz consent just means to agreed
• 2:06:13
  upon, isn't it? No.
• 2:06:17
  I mean, I'm a father, I don't know if you are.
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  You can get a child to agree to just about anything, cuz they
• 2:06:23
  don't have the knowledge not to agree.
• 2:06:26
  Yeah, no, that's true. I'm also a father.
• 2:06:28
  Kids are so stupid. Yeah, but.
• 2:06:30
  It cards, but super stupid. Yeah, but knowledge isn't a
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  requirement for consent. So, but, so I think we're
• 2:06:37
  speaking about two different consents here.
• 2:06:40
  Like you're speaking in a very broad definitional term and
• 2:06:44
  we're talking about the act itself, especially when it comes
• 2:06:47
  to a sexual nature. So you really often I.
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  Mean when it comes down to it, and I think you'll agree with
• 2:06:55
  this not also depends on the kid.
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  There's a lot of kids out there and I heard I agree with you are
• 2:07:01
  in some parts of that proverbs. But there are some children out
• 2:07:04
  there that are geniuses. They understand when they're
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  being abused. They understand when they're
• 2:07:08
  being heard. They just don't know an
• 2:07:10
  alternative on how to get out of it.
• 2:07:12
  So, so a genius child is is a child that has a very advanced
• 2:07:16
  brain can process information. Better than other children,
• 2:07:22
  we'll put it that way. But when it comes to have living
• 2:07:25
  life, right to having the knowledge of life, to having the
• 2:07:28
  knowledge to be able to to understand what's right and
• 2:07:31
  wrong, I don't think genius has anything to do with that.
• 2:07:34
  I think that takes time, That takes living experience.
• 2:07:37
  That's why we we talk about adult consensual relationships
• 2:07:41
  is because adults have the capacity to consent in that
• 2:07:44
  situation. But I think the capacity just
• 2:07:49
  means the legal rights. They don't actually mean like a
• 2:07:51
  mental knowledge. From a legal standpoint, they
• 2:07:55
  certainly can't consent because it's defined legal in a way from
• 2:07:59
  the colloquial sense of consent. Like, if you're just looking at
• 2:08:01
  the first two definitions of the dictionary, then sure, kids can
• 2:08:04
  consent, but legally they certainly cannot.
• 2:08:07
  Yeah, I think that's it. That's the only thing, you guys.
• 2:08:09
  It's it's just a legal opinion. By the way, hi Rex.
• 2:08:12
  I've missed you. We were.
• 2:08:15
  On the channel. I was on your channel earlier,
• 2:08:16
  but you weren't there. I was arguing with Dustin.
• 2:08:18
  He sometimes, if I'm in a good mood, Dustin doesn't get to me.
• 2:08:22
  He's he's just his ideas. Him and Bubbles, I just have
• 2:08:24
  these ideas. They're just so out there, man.
• 2:08:27
  Well, I was supposed to be farming today, but we got pushed
• 2:08:31
  back like three or four days, so I had free time that I wasn't
• 2:08:37
  expecting and Chuck was doing a 12 hour stream.
• 2:08:40
  So I hopped on there for just a little while, but it ended up
• 2:08:44
  being 4 hours. So I was on Chuck's stream while
• 2:08:48
  Jeremiah was doing a stream on the channel.
• 2:08:54
  Yeah, yeah, Jeremiah was like. Jeremiah has an uphill battle.
• 2:08:58
  He's trying to it's it's a it's a good thought what he's doing,
• 2:09:01
  he's trying to see if you could start with just knowing that God
• 2:09:05
  exists, right. So you're just past that.
• 2:09:06
  You're acknowledging a God exist.
• 2:09:08
  Can you get to the Christian God?
• 2:09:10
  Without the Bible, Just sort of inductively?
• 2:09:12
  I don't think so. I don't.
• 2:09:13
  I think that revelation is sort of baked into finding the
• 2:09:17
  Christian God, but I wish him luck.
• 2:09:20
  Well, I I I think you can. You can.
• 2:09:24
  I'll put it this way, I I know you can get to the God of
• 2:09:27
  Abraham just just by philosophical arguments because
• 2:09:30
  I've seen it done, Khalil. Allah was able to find Allah
• 2:09:33
  just from philosophy. But yeah, I think, I think if
• 2:09:38
  you're going to have a really hard time, if you're really
• 2:09:41
  being honest and you're starting from a position where there's a
• 2:09:44
  God, but I don't know what the God is, think you're going to
• 2:09:46
  have a really hard time getting to the Christian God is.
• 2:09:50
  The Trinity of what's going to pick him up.
• 2:09:51
  The Trinity is just much a complicated doctrine and so
• 2:09:55
  important to Christianity. I just don't think you can find
• 2:09:57
  it without the Bible. Yeah, I think I would agree.
• 2:10:03
  With that, you sit down and have a conversation with Proverbs
• 2:10:06
  about the Trinity thing. That was something I've had
• 2:10:09
  problems with back and forth over and over, but Proverbs has
• 2:10:13
  an excellent way of explaining that, and I've I've watched tons
• 2:10:17
  of videos where people tried to explain and it just wasn't
• 2:10:20
  coherent. But Proverbs, he rocked at the
• 2:10:23
  last show we did together. If you want to give the can you
• 2:10:26
  give a 5 second or a 5 minute Quick so I can, I don't.
• 2:10:31
  Have. To do it.
• 2:10:34
  He works into it. He brings the people's elbow.
• 2:10:39
  I can try to give you like a condensed version Okay.
• 2:10:41
  So we're told in the scriptures that Jesus is the word of God,
• 2:10:45
  but also that scripture verse where Jesus ascends into heaven
• 2:10:49
  and he sits at the right hand of the Father.
• 2:10:52
  In the Hebrew, which we have some of the Hebrew scrolls of
• 2:10:56
  the Gospels. Now in the Hebrew it reads more
• 2:10:59
  like Jesus ascends into heaven to sit as the right hand of the
• 2:11:03
  Father. So he's the right hand of God.
• 2:11:06
  He's also the word of God and he's spirit of God, so he's
• 2:11:10
  parts of God himself, which to me makes the Trinity make a lot
• 2:11:15
  more sense. So my question did Jesus have
• 2:11:18
  any flaws? No.
• 2:11:22
  He was the blemish free lamb. He had to be absolutely blemish
• 2:11:27
  free or he would not have been accepted as a Passover
• 2:11:30
  sacrifice. So my next question is doubting
• 2:11:33
  God a flaw? Ouch was a good one.
• 2:11:44
  Holy Dang. I'm contemplating.
• 2:11:46
  I'm not avoiding. Give me.
• 2:11:47
  Just no, I know you're thinking because that that's the thing
• 2:11:49
  that always got me that when I I like to think I remember the the
• 2:11:52
  Latin. But when Jesus says, my God, my
• 2:11:54
  God, why have you forsaken me so?
• 2:11:56
  That right, that is. My big problem with the Trinity.
• 2:11:59
  What do? You think is the difference
• 2:12:01
  between having? Do you think that it's somehow
• 2:12:04
  sinful for you to question or ask?
• 2:12:08
  Well, he's supposed to be perfect, so would that be a
• 2:12:12
  flaw? That's the thing.
• 2:12:13
  Why would it? Why would there be some kind of
• 2:12:15
  issue with just throwing out a like a question or you know,
• 2:12:20
  thinking things over? Well, the the problem would come
• 2:12:24
  to arise. If you're gonna say God is Jesus
• 2:12:26
  is perfect, that that's where it's going to get.
• 2:12:29
  It's going to be handy there. I don't think that was a sign of
• 2:12:34
  Jesus doubting God. I think that was like an
• 2:12:37
  ultimate sign of Christ's humanity, summed up in the flesh
• 2:12:43
  and knowing what was it to come and knowing the pain he was
• 2:12:47
  about to endure. Like I would cry out too, even
• 2:12:50
  knowing the perfect plan. By knowing that it all worked
• 2:12:54
  out for for the Father's will. But I don't see that as
• 2:12:58
  questioning God. I see it as just showing his
• 2:13:00
  humanity in those final hours. Okay.
• 2:13:04
  I mean, the problem I guess would get to me about it is
• 2:13:06
  because he says over and over again, he knows he's going to
• 2:13:08
  die. He knows he's a sacrifice, He
• 2:13:10
  knows it's coming. But when it gets to it, this
• 2:13:13
  sort of broken, flawed human nature comes out in my opinion,
• 2:13:16
  and he and he reaps out. Why, God, why have you forsaken
• 2:13:20
  me? And it just even now, like I can
• 2:13:22
  get the tingles talking about it.
• 2:13:23
  I would give these sermons about it and just I would try to
• 2:13:25
  rationalize it even in my congregation.
• 2:13:27
  And it just it always got to me. I just always thought, this is
• 2:13:30
  a, this is a broken man. This is a man who knew he was
• 2:13:33
  going to die. But it's now facing the reality
• 2:13:36
  of that death. And something is a is not what
• 2:13:40
  he. Expected.
• 2:13:42
  And you can also, you know, it doesn't have to even be in that
• 2:13:45
  that moment of the crucifixion. Yeah, you could.
• 2:13:48
  I guess you could blame. Human pain and and and his
• 2:13:52
  humanity coming out in that moment.
• 2:13:55
  But you go the Mount of Olives. You know, on the night of the
• 2:13:59
  Last Supper, before he was even crucified, before he was even
• 2:14:01
  captured, he was praying and he was praying to God.
• 2:14:03
  He wasn't praying to himself. Yeah, I don't see that as a
• 2:14:09
  bigger problem. I mean, I do.
• 2:14:11
  I get it like it's a big problem for the the Muslims because like
• 2:14:15
  Allah prays for Mohammed. Well, who's Allah praying to?
• 2:14:17
  Because he's one. Well, at least if he's try you
• 2:14:20
  and in three parts he could just be tried playing to a different
• 2:14:22
  part of himself, like no different than us speaking to
• 2:14:25
  ourselves. I think that can be justified,
• 2:14:27
  at least easier in my opinion anyway.
• 2:14:28
  But I do see it. I can see where someone might
• 2:14:30
  have a problem with. It, Rex.
• 2:14:32
  You ever visit the Muslim rooms? I talked to him, but they're a
• 2:14:37
  little they're Dala guys are much more aggressive than the
• 2:14:41
  Christian Dala guys. They're like hardcore atheist
• 2:14:44
  aggressive because that's what that's what's popular.
• 2:14:47
  Yeah, it is. It's it's really hard to have a
• 2:14:49
  conversation on the Internet with with with the Muslims, I
• 2:14:52
  found, because yeah, the aggressiveness, it's it's hard
• 2:14:54
  to have an honest conversation. You're gonna get talked over.
• 2:14:57
  And if push comes to shove, they're just gonna try to push
• 2:15:00
  it into a philosophical place because they they know that most
• 2:15:04
  American atheists aren't, aren't aware of of a lot of the
• 2:15:09
  philosophy that they know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:12
  He could choose a beast. Oh yeah, except that he says
• 2:15:16
  it's OK to have relations with the 12 year old girl as long as
• 2:15:19
  she doesn't. So you guys really do find the
• 2:15:25
  Christian channels to be more welcoming than the the Muslim
• 2:15:28
  channels? Yeah, for sure.
• 2:15:31
  They kicked me out of the Danny Hickett.
• 2:15:33
  You. Yeah, he needed me.
• 2:15:35
  The Muslims are really, really rough on the atheist community
• 2:15:39
  and whenever it comes to Christians, they usually like to
• 2:15:42
  debate the Trinity and. And all that and they also get
• 2:15:45
  on the they like to throw a lot of stuff that Paul said that
• 2:15:50
  doesn't seem to go along with James or John and all that.
• 2:15:53
  So that's their thing. They like me though but I did
• 2:15:56
  the floor him a couple times. I they said why?
• 2:15:59
  Why Jesus? And you know because we respect
• 2:16:02
  Jesus and all that but why Jesus?
• 2:16:04
  Why don't you go for the Quran and all that?
• 2:16:07
  And I said well even in the Quran Jesus had more value than
• 2:16:10
  any of the other prophets. And they they said, what do you
• 2:16:13
  mean by that? You know, and they did that
• 2:16:16
  whole Salaam thing or whatever. You know, what they do whenever
• 2:16:19
  they hear something they think is offensive.
• 2:16:22
  And I said, well, even your Quran says that there was
• 2:16:24
  Immaculate Conception. Mohammed didn't get that.
• 2:16:28
  None of the men in the in the book had that Immaculate
• 2:16:31
  Conception basically born a spirit of God like that.
• 2:16:35
  So they didn't have nothing harm me on that?
• 2:16:41
  Yeah, yeah. Ask him how many how many hands
• 2:16:44
  the law has. He has two when they're both
• 2:16:46
  left. What's that's?
• 2:16:49
  Crazy. Oh yeah, like the the the whole
• 2:16:53
  idea in the Islamic faith is that Allah is something totally
• 2:16:56
  other. He is not like his creation at
• 2:16:58
  all. But however, Muhammad often
• 2:17:01
  describes a law and human ways. So he describes he has two
• 2:17:05
  different left hands, like a foot, a shin, and in fact in the
• 2:17:09
  Day of Judgment. A good Muslim will know a law by
• 2:17:13
  recognizing A shin. So you need to know what a law
• 2:17:16
  shin looks like in the day of judgment to get into paradise.
• 2:17:20
  However, it's going to be something totally unlike our
• 2:17:23
  shin. I I it's even more confusing
• 2:17:25
  than than I'm making it sound. It's I can.
• 2:17:27
  See, You were saying shit for a minute there.
• 2:17:29
  I'm like, what? I don't remember.
• 2:17:31
  I'm not gonna lie, I thought that's what you were saying.
• 2:17:33
  To shin the the upper part of the foot.
• 2:17:36
  No, I get that now. Yeah, OK.
• 2:17:38
  I I literally was sitting here visualizing what judge they
• 2:17:42
  looking at shit are. You I was.
• 2:17:44
  Thinking that I was like, are they just practicing in port or
• 2:17:47
  potties? Like, how do you prepare for
• 2:17:49
  that God's poop? Well, I can see why they I can
• 2:17:52
  see why they won't let you draw him.
• 2:17:53
  Now it's gonna look kind of funny.
• 2:17:56
  You know, this conversation might be why we don't get
• 2:17:59
  invited on Muslim channels. You know you're not allowed to
• 2:18:02
  draw. They're very niche.
• 2:18:03
  Bubbles, do you know why the the rule about no drawing is oh.
• 2:18:08
  This is great. This is it's ridiculous in the
• 2:18:10
  modern day. But in the day of judgment, if
• 2:18:13
  you drew something and that insinuates you have the power to
• 2:18:15
  create. So a lot is going to stand
• 2:18:17
  before you and say, all right, you drew that make it come
• 2:18:20
  alive. Well, what about like computers
• 2:18:23
  and pictures and all the images now?
• 2:18:25
  Like, a lot's going to have a lot of, like, have the
• 2:18:27
  conversation a lot, I guess. Yeah, I guess.
• 2:18:31
  That's why you can't draw, because it insinuates you have
• 2:18:33
  the power to create. In Allah is the best of
• 2:18:36
  creators. Not just that, but their version
• 2:18:38
  of God is like, really small, right?
• 2:18:40
  Because, OK, so God comes to Moses and says, Moses, tell the
• 2:18:44
  people this, and Moses is like, oh, but God, I stutter, you
• 2:18:47
  know, God's like, shut up. You have a brother.
• 2:18:50
  He's going to do it for you, but it's going to get done.
• 2:18:52
  But with Allah, he shows up to Mohammed and says, Mohammed,
• 2:18:56
  write this down. And then Mohammed's like, but,
• 2:18:58
  Lord, I can't. I'm illiterate.
• 2:18:59
  And then Allah's like, all right.
• 2:19:03
  Like that's a weak, small God. Oof.
• 2:19:08
  That's rough Yaks. But it's kind of funny you guys
• 2:19:11
  are making fun of like a Muslim God but the the Greeks in like
• 2:19:15
  the early before the Christianity became big some of
• 2:19:18
  the some of the Greek making fun of as a Christian God was like
• 2:19:24
  well Jesus was if like if if a Hercules was about to get
• 2:19:30
  crucified Hercules it would beat the shit out of you.
• 2:19:33
  And so, like, so they they're making a I'm gonna tell you.
• 2:19:37
  Right now, Samson would run Hercules around in circles.
• 2:19:41
  Like a little pit, Yeah. But but The thing is, like,
• 2:19:45
  they're making they're making fun of Jesus because he's not
• 2:19:48
  this badass. Yeah, he's no, he's no Spider
• 2:19:52
  man. They must not have wrote
• 2:19:54
  revelation when he comes back with brown skin and flaming
• 2:19:58
  eyes. Well, so for one.
• 2:20:01
  For one, I had to disagree with Samson being greater than
• 2:20:04
  Hercules. Samson had what the strength of
• 2:20:06
  10 men. I do believe Hercules was a
• 2:20:09
  demigod, but outside of that so when it when it the mockery of
• 2:20:15
  Allah is kind of funny as Rex was pointing out there because.
• 2:20:19
  It's it's the same God. And and I'm not just saying that
• 2:20:22
  because it's the God of Abraham, I'm saying that because Muhammad
• 2:20:25
  literally stole aspects of the Christian God, just like he
• 2:20:27
  literally stole aspects of the Jewish God, and he got those
• 2:20:30
  aspects on the caravan routes that he ran with his uncle when
• 2:20:34
  he was a young child. Anybody that's really, like
• 2:20:37
  studied the history of Islam knows this, right?
• 2:20:40
  Like so. I mean, when when you're mocking
• 2:20:45
  Islam as a Christian, you're literally mocking the things
• 2:20:50
  that Muhammad took from your own religion.
• 2:20:54
  No, no. What I'm doing is mocking a
• 2:20:57
  silly perversion of the stories they took from my religion.
• 2:21:01
  I mean, he knows he knew that Trinity.
• 2:21:02
  He had it down perfectly. Father Jesus and Mary, perfect.
• 2:21:09
  Yeah, they called him the Ear because he would just even
• 2:21:11
  listen to everything anyone said and then sort of incorporated
• 2:21:14
  into religion, in fact. Eben Kabul I might have met the
• 2:21:18
  guy anyway. Like the most prominent scholar
• 2:21:21
  left Islam at first. He came back eventually because
• 2:21:24
  they were gonna kill him, But because Muhammad was finding a
• 2:21:27
  verse to him and he changed the verse and added something in the
• 2:21:31
  end. And Muhammad said, Oh yeah,
• 2:21:32
  that's actually better that that what you said.
• 2:21:34
  That's what a law revealed. He's like, wait a minute, that's
• 2:21:36
  not what you just said 30 seconds ago.
• 2:21:38
  And so he he went and left because he realized Muhammad was
• 2:21:41
  sort of making it up as he went along.
• 2:21:45
  Yeah. It's like, yeah, Muslims do have
• 2:21:49
  like because they they get triggered because they say the
• 2:21:51
  word of God is infallible and then then this this is what
• 2:21:55
  they'll say. And then the question would
• 2:21:56
  reply, well isn't doesn't that mean since Allah told you to
• 2:22:00
  look look towards the Bible, then that the Bible must be true
• 2:22:05
  and then they get triggered by that because they they have to
• 2:22:09
  admit that Jesus is God now? Cuz right.
• 2:22:12
  And honestly, what is a pervert? I'm gonna do some assuming here.
• 2:22:17
  Earlier people were assuming what people were thinking.
• 2:22:20
  So I'm gonna assume, and I think it's kind of common sense, I can
• 2:22:24
  almost guarantee that the first Christians would look at any
• 2:22:28
  Christian Church and call that a perversion, any Christian Church
• 2:22:32
  in the modern day, I I I think any Christian faith, the first
• 2:22:36
  Christians would would just find it so alien to them, right?
• 2:22:40
  So like, what is a perversion? Because I think that you can
• 2:22:42
  argue all of it's a perversion at this point.
• 2:22:46
  So the first generation of Christians would have actually
• 2:22:50
  been Jews that believes exactly. Christ was the Messiah and we
• 2:22:56
  have that exact belief in people today.
• 2:22:59
  It's called messianic. It's a rather large group.
• 2:23:04
  They also have like Jews for Jesus.
• 2:23:06
  It's a YouTube channel. So what you said is just, you
• 2:23:10
  know, no disrespect is just completely false.
• 2:23:14
  Well, but so, but you said it yourself, Messianic Jews or Jews
• 2:23:18
  for Christ, they consider themselves Jews.
• 2:23:20
  They don't consider themselves Christian.
• 2:23:21
  My statement was looking at the Christian faith.
• 2:23:24
  What is a Christian? To me, it's somebody that
• 2:23:28
  believes in Jesus, but Christians?
• 2:23:30
  Something else? But a Jew can believe in Jesus.
• 2:23:33
  For instance, my father is Hebrew was he passed away.
• 2:23:36
  My father was Hebrew. My mother's Christian.
• 2:23:39
  I am a Hebrew Christian. So it is such a thing, but do
• 2:23:45
  you do you actually think that you had the same beliefs as the
• 2:23:48
  first Christians? Well, Judaism has been very
• 2:23:53
  consistent for the past 4000 years that we know of so.
• 2:23:57
  Yeah. I mean, we have meticulous
• 2:23:59
  records and they have an oral tradition that is second to
• 2:24:03
  none. Well, so an oral tradition is
• 2:24:06
  never meticulous for one. And for two, we don't have very
• 2:24:10
  many records from the first Christians.
• 2:24:12
  We don't, no. We have a good amount mostly
• 2:24:15
  attacking their heresies, but yeah, so there were a lot of
• 2:24:18
  heresies. So, depending on what you mean
• 2:24:20
  by early Christian. There were a lot.
• 2:24:22
  I mean like in the first very first generation of.
• 2:24:25
  Christians right the very they were not certain if Jesus had a
• 2:24:27
  physical body or not for a very long time in the early church.
• 2:24:30
  Even the, yeah, even the Greeks, even the Greeks point this out
• 2:24:34
  like, they talk about how, like the Christians have parties.
• 2:24:38
  So they talk about, like, how they have a bunch of sex,
• 2:24:40
  they're fighting each other. But I I think by the time the
• 2:24:45
  2nd century rolled around there uniformity was starting to take
• 2:24:48
  over and the force of both. Military might and just doctrine
• 2:24:55
  had settled and sort of things were getting worked out.
• 2:24:57
  There were still heresies. Like, yeah, they were.
• 2:24:59
  And that that goes to my question, like, what is
• 2:25:02
  perversion? I'm sure that those very first
• 2:25:05
  Christians, even a century later, would consider that a
• 2:25:08
  perversion. You know, like what is?
• 2:25:10
  It's easy to sit here in the modern times and scoff at Islam
• 2:25:13
  and say that's a perversion. But you know, in my opinion,
• 2:25:16
  it's all a perversion at this point.
• 2:25:18
  Well, the problem with Islam specifically is that by the time
• 2:25:21
  Muhammad was preaching his message, there was a very well
• 2:25:25
  established Canon and the doctrine of the Quadric Church
• 2:25:29
  was very well established and he just simply didn't know what
• 2:25:32
  they were teaching. So he was just factually wrong
• 2:25:33
  what they believe, even if they. But I totally agree with that.
• 2:25:36
  So I guess that that's really why he gets criticized so hard,
• 2:25:39
  because he just said things they simply did not believe.
• 2:25:42
  Oh yeah, I totally agree with that.
• 2:25:43
  But I think plenty of Christians have done the same.
• 2:25:47
  Sure. Quiet.
• 2:25:59
  That there's something wrong. There's a younger creationist
• 2:26:03
  Dr. I I closed my spreadsheet and I can't find it.
• 2:26:06
  It's like Doctor Marcus, something of Herbs guy, and I
• 2:26:09
  want you to watch him because he he's like the first young Earth
• 2:26:12
  creationist that I've heard of who, like, has no problem with
• 2:26:15
  the Earth being old. I don't know how he establishes
• 2:26:17
  it. Like, I only know about him
• 2:26:19
  because he can't. Be a Young Earth Creationist if
• 2:26:22
  he believes the Earth is old like.
• 2:26:24
  He believes it was made local or something.
• 2:26:25
  You have to read his. Doctor I've I've well, I've
• 2:26:29
  heard they still believe it's like under 10,000 years, but
• 2:26:32
  they believe it was made with the appearance of a very old
• 2:26:35
  Earth. I've heard that theory.
• 2:26:36
  But I mean, so you let me ask you this question.
• 2:26:40
  If you didn't have the Bible, and since you went in, do you
• 2:26:42
  think anyone gets to be believe the earth is young without
• 2:26:46
  starting with the Bible? Okay.
• 2:26:48
  So yes, to answer your question, I believe you can get to a young
• 2:26:53
  earth without the Bible. However, you cannot get to a
• 2:26:58
  6007 thousand year old earth specifically without the Bible.
• 2:27:04
  If that makes sense. So can you.
• 2:27:05
  I don't have to put you on the spot you know of like because I
• 2:27:08
  have I've not found anyone like who has come to the complete
• 2:27:11
  because like I I get maybe scientists and maybe there's
• 2:27:14
  conspiracy and they all want the earth to be old maybe somebody
• 2:27:17
  they got. But some people are just have
• 2:27:19
  integrity and just honest and if they were looking and they say,
• 2:27:21
  you know what, these numbers aren't adding up, the earth
• 2:27:23
  really doesn't much younger than everyone say they would.
• 2:27:26
  They make stink. And I just don't see those
• 2:27:27
  stinks from people who have a presupposition.
• 2:27:32
  Well, it's it's like this, OK? They say that because of the
• 2:27:35
  solar something rather 10, just 10,000 years ago, everything on
• 2:27:40
  Earth would have been getting cancers and died off.
• 2:27:44
  You can get to at least around 60,000 years with the
• 2:27:47
  gravitational pull from the moon, right?
• 2:27:49
  Just 60,000 years ago, with the moon being that much closer, it
• 2:27:52
  would have just completely destroyed the the earth.
• 2:27:56
  It would have been uninhabitable.
• 2:27:58
  Nothing would have been able to live except for aquatic life.
• 2:28:02
  So I think you can get to safely around 40,000 years, which I
• 2:28:07
  would still consider a young Earth even though I go younger,
• 2:28:10
  I think it's under 7000 years. I guess I'm so why do you think
• 2:28:17
  that so many people independently get like like
• 2:28:20
  dating things like for instance argon ports, Argon dating I
• 2:28:26
  think it is. Anyway, I or you know your
• 2:28:28
  rainium are gone dating. Why is it that all those dates?
• 2:28:31
  They're just so consistent with each other when different people
• 2:28:33
  do it. Well, first of all, the results
• 2:28:44
  often do vary from one facility testing the age to another.
• 2:28:33
  It's just that, I don't know. It seems like if different
• 2:28:35
  people were doing it and the method didn't work, they would
• 2:28:37
  get like constantly widely different results.
• 2:28:39
  And that's just not what? And also they're dating that
• 2:28:50
  information based off of other things that they've dated with
• 2:28:55
  the same equipment. So they're assuming that the
• 2:28:58
  first dating was correct to date.
• 2:28:59
  The second thing, it's just very it's almost it takes as much
• 2:29:03
  faith to believe that that's accurate as it does, that the
• 2:29:07
  Bible is accurate. And from my worldview.
• 2:29:12
  Yeah, I've heard that. I just, I don't agree with it
• 2:29:13
  because people have like wildly different worldviews.
• 2:29:15
  You got Hindu scientists, you got atheist scientists, you got
• 2:29:18
  Christian scientists that all are getting similar numbers.
• 2:29:21
  I I do. There is variation, but if you
• 2:29:23
  use the correct dating method. You're going to get within an
• 2:29:28
  acceptable margin of error every.
• 2:29:30
  Time and well there. There is a thing though, Rex,
• 2:29:33
  that I should point out. They have changed their view on
• 2:29:38
  a lot of things and they are thinking about, they're
• 2:29:41
  speculating but changing the age of the Earth.
• 2:29:43
  Again, I don't know if you heard, but on my last show I
• 2:29:46
  pointed this out. It's official.
• 2:29:49
  They're claiming that the universe went from three, not
• 2:29:52
  three, but 13 to 16 billion years to now double that.
• 2:29:56
  Now they're rounding it off to 30 billion years old.
• 2:30:00
  The universe. I think there's a simple
• 2:30:02
  explanation for that. But it's our our our technology
• 2:30:05
  is getting more advanced, more sophisticated.
• 2:30:08
  We we have more of an ability now than than before to to to be
• 2:30:13
  more accurate. I I, I don't.
• 2:30:16
  I I don't know how old the Earth is 1, but I don't even think you
• 2:30:20
  really need to get into dating methods to get beyond a 7000
• 2:30:26
  year old Earth. I mean just just the history
• 2:30:28
  that we know goes back what, 10,000?
• 2:30:30
  And then you have prehistory. So I mean you know, like how do
• 2:30:33
  you explain the Sumerian civilization that that that was
• 2:30:36
  before any other civilization and and we pretty much know that
• 2:30:40
  they were about 10,000 years ago.
• 2:30:42
  Do we get there from dating? I mean, I'm sure that we do date
• 2:30:46
  some of that, but you know, we know a certain amount of history
• 2:30:49
  at this point and then there's a lot of prehistory that we don't
• 2:30:52
  know and we definitely need dating for that.
• 2:30:55
  But yeah, when it comes to the age of the Earth or even
• 2:30:58
  knowledge of the universe, I think that we're only going to
• 2:31:01
  get more and more and more sophisticated and more and more
• 2:31:03
  and more accurate as as as our technology gets more
• 2:31:07
  sophisticated and accurate well. Proverbs, you got me on the
• 2:31:11
  whole Trinity thing. I thought your argument was
• 2:31:14
  definitely wonderful and it actually got me over.
• 2:31:18
  But the the Earth age, this is something that I've been going
• 2:31:21
  back and forth. I've listened to Kent, I've
• 2:31:24
  listened to you, I've listened to many people, and I just can't
• 2:31:27
  bring myself to young Earth creationism.
• 2:31:30
  I believe in creation, believe in a literal Adam and Eve and
• 2:31:34
  humans actually being designed by God.
• 2:31:37
  But the age of the earth, that's a tough one.
• 2:31:40
  What's the what do you think the three biggest things are that
• 2:31:44
  pose an idea for you to go with the young Earth?
• 2:31:52
  Well, first of all I'd say the gravitational pull from the moon
• 2:31:56
  would be the the smoking gun for me.
• 2:31:59
  Besides that it would be the solar flares in the radio,
• 2:32:05
  active rays from the sun that they say would cause cancer
• 2:32:08
  cells on on everything to grow. That would be the second biggest
• 2:32:13
  reason. I think the third biggest reason
• 2:32:15
  is because. I don't trust the, I don't trust
• 2:32:21
  the scientific consensus for time for their history of the
• 2:32:29
  world, especially when it comes to Egypt.
• 2:32:32
  I think that there was a lot of miscalculations with Egypt,
• 2:32:35
  especially considering that at often times they had two to
• 2:32:39
  three Pharaohs ruling simultaneously and also they had
• 2:32:44
  Pharaohs that would be reigning in Memphis.
• 2:32:47
  And then they would be ringing as a coregion, and then once the
• 2:32:50
  pharaoh in Thebes died, the the coregion pharaoh from Memphis
• 2:32:56
  would go to Thebes and until he elected another coregion, he
• 2:33:02
  would be ruling both parts of Egypt.
• 2:33:05
  As two separate names, because you would be named an emperor or
• 2:33:09
  a pharaoh in Thebes after the God that they worshipped there.
• 2:33:13
  And then in Memphis he would be known as the God that they
• 2:33:16
  worshipped there. So they don't take all of that
• 2:33:19
  into account and I think that would be my third biggest
• 2:33:22
  reason. Well, I agree with you on the
• 2:33:24
  Egyptian thing. In the last decade, I ended up
• 2:33:27
  watching a documentary called Patterns of Evidence.
• 2:33:31
  I don't know if you heard of that, but they showed clearly
• 2:33:34
  that there were. A lot of problems with the
• 2:33:37
  Egyptian time frame and all that, and a lot of things are
• 2:33:41
  mixed up and they were trying to piece it together.
• 2:33:43
  Did you see that? Yeah, that's with Tim Mahoney,
• 2:33:47
  and he has several videos that are really good.
• 2:33:49
  I own all of them, and I'm going to be interviewing him sometime
• 2:33:53
  soon in the future. Well, and you're going to get
• 2:33:56
  that throughout history. I'm not saying, and I've often
• 2:33:59
  said, even as the raging atheist like you can't trust history
• 2:34:04
  100%, I I think you'd be foolish to do so.
• 2:34:08
  You you would have the same problem in the Roman Empire, not
• 2:34:11
  just in Egypt. I mean there there was quite a
• 2:34:14
  long time where the Roman Empire was split up into two, maybe
• 2:34:16
  even 3 kingdoms at points ruled by two separate people until one
• 2:34:21
  person would overthrow the other one.
• 2:34:22
  And, you know, you would have the same issues.
• 2:34:25
  Victors often write the histories, but but now in the
• 2:34:30
  modern day, we also have archaeological evidence to go
• 2:34:33
  along. We're learning more and more and
• 2:34:34
  more. We're not relying so much on the
• 2:34:36
  written history anymore, but on what we're finding as we're
• 2:34:40
  searching and exploring and learning.
• 2:34:44
  Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think it's a stretch to just
• 2:34:47
  pretty much say you know it's a 7000 year earth.
• 2:34:50
  I don't trust the scientists like it is assuming this grand
• 2:34:54
  conspiracy on a level like I just don't think it is possible
• 2:34:57
  for humanity. Maybe at some point humanity
• 2:34:59
  will be so succinct to be able to have a grand conspiracy like
• 2:35:03
  that. But I I just don't think as Rex
• 2:35:05
  was pointing out earlier you have so many different
• 2:35:07
  worldviews from so many different scientists coming to
• 2:35:10
  the same conclusions. I I don't really see how you how
• 2:35:13
  you can get there. Well, it.
• 2:35:14
  Doesn't think. Not all scientists agree.
• 2:35:17
  Well, no, you know. We have most.
• 2:35:22
  One of the that's one of the problems though, that's one of
• 2:35:25
  the problems with science, though not because that usually
• 2:35:29
  the the theory that gets popular and stuff is usually because
• 2:35:33
  it's some kind of publicized scientist.
• 2:35:35
  I mean, Dawkins, for instance, a lot of people thought he was
• 2:35:38
  super intelligent. And then nowadays, look at them.
• 2:35:41
  People wipe their ass with what he thinks.
• 2:35:44
  So, well, that's just the progression of humanity though.
• 2:35:46
  That's what I was saying. Like we're gonna get more and
• 2:35:48
  more sophisticated what we think we know now.
• 2:35:51
  I mean, I got in trouble with atheists when I I mentioned this
• 2:35:55
  a few months back and atheists were just scoffing at me.
• 2:35:57
  But like, I don't see how you can see it otherwise.
• 2:36:00
  Like in 1000 years, human beings are gonna look at at our
• 2:36:03
  knowledge now as being infant, right?
• 2:36:06
  Like we're gonna learn more and more with each generation.
• 2:36:09
  It's what human beings have done since we've been here.
• 2:36:12
  You know, it's it's it's it's how we're still here today is
• 2:36:16
  that we learn from the generations before us and we we
• 2:36:19
  advance what they do. So yeah, I mean, I don't know,
• 2:36:24
  it's just it seems hard to get at this point.
• 2:36:27
  You take away evolution. It just seems really hard to get
• 2:36:31
  to a 7000 year old Earth to to me.
• 2:36:36
  To me it is. Yeah, I agree.
• 2:36:39
  I think it's really just kind of wacky.
• 2:36:41
  I don't think you could get the 6000 year though.
• 2:36:43
  Well, let me ask you guys a question.
• 2:36:45
  Do you agree that heavy stress ages a person physically in
• 2:36:49
  appearance? Sure, without a doubt, I think.
• 2:36:52
  You didn't magnetize. Well, if the Christian narrative
• 2:36:55
  is correct. And let's take the global flood.
• 2:36:59
  That kind of scarring and catastrophe.
• 2:37:02
  Don't you guys think that could possibly give the Earth a much
• 2:37:05
  older age going through that kind of trauma?
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  But I think the. Thing what it's really going to
• 2:37:14
  catch is you know, it's the civilization history because
• 2:37:17
  like that cannot be denied. No, I think the time period can
• 2:37:23
  be denied. I think what we know as ancient
• 2:37:25
  history, like the Egyptians go up into like the beginning of
• 2:37:30
  after the flood. And I think what you know is
• 2:37:33
  like prehistory would be everything before the flood.
• 2:37:37
  So what are you talking of? A global flood?
• 2:37:40
  I am absolutely talking about the global flood.
• 2:37:42
  What evidence is there for that? Because I mean like.
• 2:37:45
  That's simple basic geology. Kind of just debunked that in
• 2:37:50
  the late 1800s. I mean, how would you explain,
• 2:37:53
  how would you explain the walls of the Grand Canyon?
• 2:37:57
  What do you mean? OK.
• 2:37:58
  The walls of the Grand, the Grand Canyon, there are deposit.
• 2:38:02
  How did that get there? I've actually studied this in my
• 2:38:08
  dealings with Matt Powell. I can't give you like the
• 2:38:11
  correct correct answer. But what I can tell, well, I
• 2:38:16
  think that they do know basically the Grand Canyon was
• 2:38:20
  underwater for like 1,000,000 upon millions of years, but it
• 2:38:25
  wasn't a global flood. It was just it was in the ocean
• 2:38:27
  at that time. So there's the thing, the Grand
• 2:38:31
  Canyon, it's all layers from top to bottom.
• 2:38:34
  So that means at some point or another the water was that high.
• 2:38:38
  That's that's a global. Well, yeah.
• 2:38:40
  Yeah. Well, no, I mean, science backs
• 2:38:44
  that up. Like I said, I mean, so the
• 2:38:48
  plates shift over over a matter of time.
• 2:38:50
  Our continents have shifted where, you know, we went from
• 2:38:52
  Pangaea to A to the continents we have now at.
• 2:38:57
  For the longest period of time, that part of America was
• 2:39:02
  actually in the ocean. You know, it was underwater.
• 2:39:08
  So you think it just like a guy? It got lifted up?
• 2:39:12
  No, the waters receded. Yeah, I mean, we.
• 2:39:16
  OK, so like the walls of the Grand Canyon.
• 2:39:19
  I'm not. I'm not talking about the ditch.
• 2:39:20
  I'm talking about the walls. So the walls of the Grand
• 2:39:23
  Canyon, they're all deposited from all the way from the
• 2:39:26
  bottom. Really.
• 2:39:27
  To be accurate with this, I'd have to find my notes from like
• 2:39:30
  five years ago that that'd be impossible.
• 2:39:32
  So I'm kind of speaking just out of my ass from memory.
• 2:39:35
  And I'm not gonna do it justice. You know I'm not.
• 2:39:38
  It's not gonna be accurate. So I really shouldn't even.
• 2:39:41
  This really isn't my my Forte. I found out the hard way talking
• 2:39:46
  with Matt Powell. Yeah, you should look up.
• 2:39:48
  You should look up documentaries on the Grand Canyon and they'll
• 2:39:51
  tell you they don't know how it got there.
• 2:39:55
  Well, no, I have studied it and I have reams of notes on it.
• 2:40:00
  They do think they know how it got there.
• 2:40:03
  I think Chris don't wanna believe how they think it got
• 2:40:06
  there. Have they explained the closed
• 2:40:08
  clams at the top of Mount Everest yet?
• 2:40:11
  Oh yeah, yeah. That comes from an actual
• 2:40:14
  regional flood that that's well known.
• 2:40:17
  I think it was 2030 thousand years ago.
• 2:40:18
  It's just weird because, like, they have no problem believing
• 2:40:21
  that there were all these like gigantic regional floods and.
• 2:40:25
  There were some reasons We don't have problem believing it
• 2:40:27
  because we observe. It's like mind blowing ly
• 2:40:30
  impossible. Oh, there, Mr. Proverbs.
• 2:40:33
  There. There's plenty of atheists out
• 2:40:35
  there who? It's weird how they do this.
• 2:40:38
  It's like some kind of what is the dissidents is what it's
• 2:40:41
  called. They'll tell you that it's
• 2:40:43
  impossible for the world to flood over yet.
• 2:40:46
  Bill Nyle, get on the news, mainstream media and say, oh,
• 2:40:50
  but if the ice caps were to melt, then we're going to drown,
• 2:40:54
  You know, so they believe the world could do that and stuff,
• 2:40:57
  but for some reason they have issue of it happening in the
• 2:41:00
  past. Not just that Brett, but I mean,
• 2:41:02
  no offense. Did you hear what he said?
• 2:41:04
  He said that is that that the Grand Canyon used to be
• 2:41:08
  completely submerged underwater. So like these oceans are just
• 2:41:12
  picking up their britches and walking across a few miles and
• 2:41:15
  resting somewhere else. Like we have oceans just
• 2:41:18
  evaporating and reappearing. No, it has nothing to do with
• 2:41:23
  ocean. It's plate tectonics.
• 2:41:25
  It's it's land masses shifting. Do not think that Pangaea ever
• 2:41:29
  existed. Proverbs guy.
• 2:41:32
  I'm kind of split on that. I think it's possible, and I
• 2:41:36
  think it if it was possible, I think it would have been that
• 2:41:39
  way until the flood. So when I was on your show last
• 2:41:44
  time, I was talking about these things I'm raising called fairy
• 2:41:46
  shrimp. I'm thinking of my fish.
• 2:41:47
  They're really cool little crustaceans.
• 2:41:49
  They they live in what's called vernal pools.
• 2:41:52
  Every year when it rains, the dirt gets real wet and these
• 2:41:56
  little puddles form. And then the fairy shrimp, they
• 2:41:59
  live about 60 days and they lay eggs.
• 2:42:01
  So if you're saying the flood was 4000 years ago, they have no
• 2:42:04
  way of traveling. How did several 100 species of
• 2:42:07
  fairy strip get all over the world?
• 2:42:08
  Because they couldn't have survived A worldwide flood.
• 2:42:11
  Here's the thing. I'll answer that.
• 2:42:13
  Let me answer that. Brett, real quick.
• 2:42:15
  Pete Mars is in your side chat. Do you guys know you guys know
• 2:42:20
  how? Putting the N word in your side
• 2:42:22
  chat just let you know. He's gone now.
• 2:42:25
  See you later there buddy. It only takes like 3 seconds for
• 2:42:28
  me. Get rid of a prick.
• 2:42:29
  That is, I haven't seen P Mars do that in a couple years.
• 2:42:32
  Man, it that takes me back to old times.
• 2:42:34
  Yeah, P Mars. I've tried so hard to be good to
• 2:42:37
  that guy, but he's kind of stupid in the head.
• 2:42:40
  And you know, what are you gonna do?
• 2:42:43
  So here's the thing. You guys know how oil is made.
• 2:42:46
  Crude oil. That's algae.
• 2:42:49
  And you require pressure and you require heat.
• 2:42:53
  There's a bunch of oil, a lot bunch of bunch of bunch of crude
• 2:42:56
  oil. The question now becomes, how
• 2:42:58
  did it get there? You need to bury it, and not
• 2:43:01
  only do you need to bury it, so you can't just wait long, long,
• 2:43:05
  long time for it to, you know, to turn the oil, it'll
• 2:43:08
  fossilize. So you need that.
• 2:43:10
  You need to bury it fast, and you need to heat it up fast,
• 2:43:13
  right? He's back, OK?
• 2:43:16
  Bubbles, but how does that answer my very question?
• 2:43:18
  I I understand oils made but how how would in 4000 years?
• 2:43:23
  Here's the thing. They would have been taken on
• 2:43:25
  the they would have been taken on the ark because they could
• 2:43:27
  not have survived the global flood.
• 2:43:28
  They simply cannot live unless they have dry conditions to lay
• 2:43:31
  their eggs in. You're right, they did it.
• 2:43:34
  So I think, I think they were killed.
• 2:43:36
  So I I don't believe in the Christian, you know, all the
• 2:43:38
  animals were in the ark. So I think those animals were
• 2:43:42
  sacrificed to make the crude oil.
• 2:43:45
  OK, but that that would not answer.
• 2:43:46
  That's not a young Earth creationist, so that's not what
• 2:43:47
  I'm talking about from a young earth creation standpoint.
• 2:43:50
  How could fairy shrimp have speciate it and spread around
• 2:43:55
  the world when they have no means of travel, Animals don't
• 2:43:57
  carry them and in fact they are almost they're going to extinct
• 2:44:00
  that a all. Right.
• 2:44:01
  So hold on, hold on one second. Hold on one second.
• 2:44:04
  Can you guys type something in the text chat so I can make you
• 2:44:08
  a moderator? Hey, Brett.
• 2:44:11
  Yeah, I got it. I got you.
• 2:44:16
  Yeah, just say idiot on board or something.
• 2:44:13
  Yeah, I'll, I'll type something over.
• 2:44:18
  Short bus coming through. I get you.
• 2:44:21
  Just type something and I'll make you guys some moderators.
• 2:44:24
  I should have probably made some moderators while back.
• 2:44:27
  Oh wow, I already got a pop up on my video basically stating
• 2:44:31
  that because why did that happen for?
• 2:44:37
  Probably because somebody kept spelling out the bad N word.
• 2:44:41
  Well, it's saying something about medical information on my
• 2:44:45
  video. What did we even talk about
• 2:44:48
  medical stuff? I don't believe we did.
• 2:44:50
  I think that's one topic we haven't delved into.
• 2:44:52
  I know, right? I I talked about dating
• 2:44:56
  potassium orgon. Is that the closest we got?
• 2:44:59
  What? How does this guy have so many
• 2:45:01
  like racist name or it's like does YouTube like not catch this
• 2:45:05
  guy? How does he keep it?
• 2:45:06
  Is impressive how racist this guy is.
• 2:45:09
  Oh, yeah, yeah, he he. He's he's been making these
• 2:45:12
  racist soccer counts for years and he, like, holds them to to
• 2:45:15
  hit a channel, you know? But what does he get out of
• 2:45:18
  this? Like what I I just don't.
• 2:45:20
  People just amaze me. It was me too.
• 2:45:22
  It's. It's the anonymity of the
• 2:45:24
  Internet. Like he he would not do this if
• 2:45:26
  people knew he was, because the the world would shame him and he
• 2:45:29
  would be punished socially. Well, and and that's what I.
• 2:45:32
  Screamed. I would walk him down the Main
• 2:45:34
  Street of Saint Louis and see how he likes it over there.
• 2:45:37
  That's right. I let him just.
• 2:45:38
  I let him spam this on Kings Highway in Ataska.
• 2:45:41
  And this is the thing that I'm trying to do now right?
• 2:45:43
  Like I I've, I've yelled at P Mars.
• 2:45:45
  I've screamed at him. I'm beyond that now.
• 2:45:47
  I'm just trying to understand him like what happened to this
• 2:45:50
  guy to make him this way right. Like you know I've been plenty
• 2:45:55
  mad and live streams I've never felt the inclination to get into
• 2:45:58
  somebody's side chat and and and I don't know try to get their
• 2:46:02
  channel taken down like is that's never been.
• 2:46:05
  I don't know. I just I.
• 2:46:06
  It's hard for me to to understand people's motivations
• 2:46:10
  sometimes, and that's what I'm trying to understand.
• 2:46:12
  Like P Mars. Ethical man this is.
• 2:46:14
  What did you do, man? What happened to you?
• 2:46:16
  Who? Touched you was the Christian
• 2:46:19
  wasn't. It all right I I.
• 2:46:22
  Said Wait, did he not like you because you're Christians or
• 2:46:24
  atheists? Why does this guy not like?
• 2:46:25
  I thought he was doing this for a while.
• 2:46:27
  Well, let's not give the loser any attention, OK?
• 2:46:31
  Yeah, I just think he doesn't like people.
• 2:46:33
  I don't think it matters what you are.
• 2:46:35
  So it's just a just a piece of crap troll in general.
• 2:46:39
  Anyway, yeah, explain very shred problems.
• 2:46:41
  Explain them right now. Guys, guys, some of you may need
• 2:46:46
  to refresh your page so you can see that you're moderated.
• 2:46:53
  There we go. OK.
• 2:46:55
  Yeah, just refresh your your YouTube page and you could have
• 2:47:00
  moderator ability. Why wasn't you didn't have to re
• 2:47:05
  press stream yards? Well, you didn't specify that,
• 2:47:11
  Brett. It's all good.
• 2:47:14
  OK, So, Rex, I have to ask you a question, my brother.
• 2:47:18
  All right, so you believe in evolution, and one of the large
• 2:47:21
  consensuses going around right now are that all these monkeys
• 2:47:25
  held on to these floating tree limbs and got from continent to
• 2:47:29
  continent. You don't think fairy shrimp
• 2:47:32
  could have done the same? I think tree limbs is a stretch.
• 2:47:36
  So what we know, what we know have the Redwood forest size
• 2:47:41
  logs. Okay, it's still.
• 2:47:43
  No, it was. No, it's not idiotic.
• 2:47:45
  We see it. We observe it in modern times
• 2:47:49
  like chunks of continents will break away.
• 2:47:52
  And there will be life on that, on those, on those chunks that
• 2:47:56
  break away and they'll they drift to other.
• 2:47:58
  I mean, we we observed that in modern times, Rex.
• 2:48:01
  That's my answer. The fairy shrimp floated over
• 2:48:05
  with the monkeys on the rafts. Well, their eggs can't live in
• 2:48:07
  water and they only live 60 days at most.
• 2:48:10
  Some species live like 12 days and they're also like.
• 2:48:13
  They're also like an inch. It took me an inch.
• 2:48:15
  It only took 58 days for the raft to get from A to B.
• 2:48:19
  Well then and again, I only know that because Matt Powell did the
• 2:48:22
  whole, you know, monkeys surfing to America thing, so I had to
• 2:48:26
  look it up. They also only live in puddles,
• 2:48:28
  so how do they get out of their puddles?
• 2:48:30
  Well, that's the thing. After after the arc, how do the
• 2:48:33
  Kangaroos get to Australia? That's a really good question.
• 2:48:39
  I don't know. Surfing with the monkeys?
• 2:48:43
  I don't know. Oh, I didn't point out earlier
• 2:48:47
  one other thing about the whole flood thing.
• 2:48:50
  I've said this in some of my videos, but I'm sure all of you
• 2:48:53
  haven't heard it. You guys do realize the
• 2:48:55
  scientists claim that there's enough water beneath us in the
• 2:48:59
  ground to fill the oceans three to four times over.
• 2:49:03
  So we already live on a planet that is a water planet that has
• 2:49:06
  75 to 80% water. And if we've got more water
• 2:49:11
  underneath, the Bible doesn't just say it rained, it says.
• 2:49:14
  The ground actually opened up and water came from beneath as
• 2:49:18
  well. Yeah.
• 2:49:20
  And there could also be a loss of hydrogen and oxygen.
• 2:49:23
  So I mean that that's all you really need to make water
• 2:49:26
  hydrogen. And if the atheist is gonna
• 2:49:28
  argue plate tectonics, fine, that's great.
• 2:49:31
  Then that means the ground can open up and water shoots out.
• 2:49:35
  Well, your terminology there, the atheist is gonna argue.
• 2:49:38
  I I I think this the the evolutionist scientists argue
• 2:49:41
  it. But I I wanted to point out
• 2:49:44
  because I know you know somebody made the the comment to Rex that
• 2:49:47
  you know you believe in evolution.
• 2:49:50
  I don't consider myself an evolutionist.
• 2:49:52
  I I think I'm a realist. I wasn't there and I don't know.
• 2:49:55
  But what evolution does have is a whole hell of a lot of
• 2:49:58
  evidence. So I I tend to take it.
• 2:50:01
  More at face value with evolution than I do with Young
• 2:50:04
  Earth Creationism, because I don't really see a lot of
• 2:50:06
  evidence considering his evidence though.
• 2:50:08
  The fossil record. I mean, we could just talk about
• 2:50:10
  the beads, right? Like the beads that we literally
• 2:50:14
  contract the migration of humanity out of Africa.
• 2:50:17
  I've done several research and just based on things that Matt
• 2:50:20
  Powell said in the past, again, I am no scientist.
• 2:50:23
  Science is not my Forte. You know, I I, I read the Bible.
• 2:50:27
  That's what I do. And that's as the raging
• 2:50:29
  atheist. I spent most of my time
• 2:50:31
  dissecting and disrespecting the Bible.
• 2:50:33
  But when it comes to evolution, I don't consider myself an
• 2:50:36
  evolutionist. I wasn't there.
• 2:50:38
  I don't know, but I think science provides a lot more
• 2:50:41
  evidence than the Bible does. Whenever I whenever I was a
• 2:50:46
  former atheist, I went along with the evolution thing.
• 2:50:50
  But after hanging out with a lot of theists and them showing me
• 2:50:53
  like for instance, one of the big things I like to argue is
• 2:50:56
  we'll explain all the fossils, explain the museums, all this is
• 2:51:00
  evidence. And then they pointed out one
• 2:51:03
  one of the major things was Lucy, Lucy.
• 2:51:06
  They literally found little fragments of bone and a crushed
• 2:51:09
  ass skull. And then they made wooden feet
• 2:51:12
  for it and use this material to give it human looking feet.
• 2:51:18
  So they designed it and basically filled in the parts
• 2:51:22
  that they wanted to represent it as.
• 2:51:25
  So I I don't buy it. And we've got museums in Saint
• 2:51:28
  Louis and they use a lot of wooden ship and plastic.
• 2:51:32
  To try to just fill in where missing pieces are supposed to
• 2:51:36
  be or where they think they ought to be.
• 2:51:38
  So I don't know about all that, if I could say.
• 2:51:40
  Well, I mean, we, that's just kind of what human beings do,
• 2:51:43
  Brett. We did the same thing with the
• 2:51:45
  dinosaurs, right? I I will say, you know, when it
• 2:51:48
  comes to Lucy, I will grant that there's probably some problems
• 2:51:51
  there. Again, I'm not a scientist.
• 2:51:52
  I don't. I don't really know, but I would
• 2:51:54
  grant that there's probably some scientists there.
• 2:51:56
  Lucy was like one of the first time and is that we actually
• 2:51:58
  found a pretty good sample of, I do believe.
• 2:52:01
  But I can tell you this, I've watched enough documentaries to
• 2:52:04
  know we've got way better examples than Lucy.
• 2:52:06
  I couldn't name them. But I know.
• 2:52:08
  They're there. None of them would say that it's
• 2:52:12
  in the transitional, so they got a bunch of dead.
• 2:52:17
  Gorillas and stuff, but none of them.
• 2:52:18
  No, I think they actually do have missing links at this
• 2:52:20
  point. No.
• 2:52:21
  Let me let me ask you all a question real quick.
• 2:52:24
  If you were to find elongated skull of a monkey and stuff, and
• 2:52:30
  someone were to claim that it was a transition, how do you
• 2:52:33
  know that it's actually an evolved transition and not a
• 2:52:36
  monkey that suffered from, let's say, meningitis?
• 2:52:40
  I don't know the person that had this conversation with that, and
• 2:52:44
  I don't want to disrespect anybody's knowledge.
• 2:52:46
  I just don't know you guys well enough.
• 2:52:48
  I do know myself well enough. I'm not a damn scientist.
• 2:52:51
  Gutsic Gibbons. This is what she does.
• 2:52:53
  This is what she studies. This is what she knows.
• 2:52:54
  She would be the person to ask. Oh, I'm well acquainted.
• 2:52:57
  Gutsic Gibbon. She has.
• 2:52:59
  She has run away from me. Here's the question.
• 2:53:03
  I don't know. I don't know if I believe that.
• 2:53:05
  Well, look, I'll show you the question she didn't want to
• 2:53:07
  answer according to evolution. The door measure evolved from
• 2:53:12
  the Gray wolf. So my simple question is now
• 2:53:15
  present to me one single transitional between the Gray
• 2:53:18
  wolf and the door measure that existed.
• 2:53:21
  That's a given nose and there's not a single transitional well
• 2:53:27
  and that brings up an excellent point.
• 2:53:28
  The bar is always set to an unfair standard for us.
• 2:53:32
  This is people can point and say, like, OK, the evidence is
• 2:53:37
  stronger for this side, but it's an unfair advantage that that
• 2:53:40
  side has, right, because they dig up rocks in the ground and
• 2:53:44
  they can say from the little tiny indents, this is a
• 2:53:46
  transitional fossil. This is evidence, and we believe
• 2:53:50
  it. But archaeologists have also dug
• 2:53:53
  up the whole city of David, which is described in the holy
• 2:53:56
  scriptures, and that somehow isn't evidence for God.
• 2:54:00
  So it's an unfair standard and Christians are getting screwed
• 2:54:03
  here. And notice how they always keep
• 2:54:05
  the transitionals before genetic testing.
• 2:54:08
  So as soon as they accept within the circle of genetic testing,
• 2:54:11
  all the transitionals disappear. So they'll say tectalic, which
• 2:54:15
  you cannot DNA test is a transitional, but as soon as you
• 2:54:19
  bring it within the circle DNA testability, they disappear.
• 2:54:23
  Wow. Well, there's there's also a big
• 2:54:27
  time contradiction too. You guys have heard of the the
• 2:54:31
  extinction that we we had with the planet supposedly destroying
• 2:54:36
  all the creatures and life forms, but somehow the dinosaurs
• 2:54:39
  managed to turn into birds while the earth was clouded in
• 2:54:43
  darkness for over 200 years according to it.
• 2:54:51
  I know you're not a scientist, Mark.
• 2:54:53
  It's all good. Well, no, no.
• 2:54:55
  I just wanted to address like the City of David thing, right.
• 2:54:57
  So I don't think, you know, even as as an atheist, I've never
• 2:55:01
  really contested cities in the Bible, dates in the Bible.
• 2:55:06
  I contest the supernatural elements of the Bible.
• 2:55:09
  Of course, the writers of the Bible are going to use real
• 2:55:13
  sites, real cities. If there was a David and David's
• 2:55:18
  responsible for the City of David, I don't really know if we
• 2:55:20
  can prove that. That doesn't make the Bible
• 2:55:24
  true. It just means that that city was
• 2:55:26
  true. I mean, I don't think that
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  there's a the only unfair disadvantage that I see
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  Christianity has is Christianity made it a lot of claims and now
• 2:55:36
  we're finding out differently. I mean that's that's the
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  disadvantage I would say maybe except for the fact that not
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  only have we dug up the city of David, but there are secular
• 2:55:47
  historical writings about King Solomon and King Solomon was the
• 2:55:50
  son of King David. So I mean, again, there's no
• 2:55:54
  evidences like I just, I don't think we're contesting that
• 2:55:57
  David existed or Solomon existed.
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  I think some atheists probably do.
• 2:56:03
  I don't know. I've never really thought about
• 2:56:06
  the reality of their existence. The problem isn't that I don't
• 2:56:10
  think that Solomon existed. I just don't think Solomon was
• 2:56:14
  chosen by God to to to be king. You know?
• 2:56:19
  I don't think Solomon was God's favorite person on the planet,
• 2:56:21
  because if he was, it's kind of fucked up.
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  But The thing is, is if we keep finding proof for Solomon and we
• 2:56:27
  keep finding proof for the city of David, for King David, and we
• 2:56:32
  can do this for all these characters, I mean we have found
• 2:56:36
  scrolls with the markings of Jeremiah, ancient seals with the
• 2:56:40
  the son of Hezekiah, like all kinds of stuff.
• 2:56:44
  That only proves that human beings have been creative for a
• 2:56:47
  long time. That's all that it proves.
• 2:56:49
  I it. Sure, we can prove that these
• 2:56:51
  people existed, but you can't prove that what they wrote or
• 2:56:53
  said was true. Proverbs like on the.
• 2:56:57
  Locations and people in the Iliad, for the most part, exist.
• 2:57:00
  That doesn't make Iliad true. Just real quick, before we get
• 2:57:03
  too far ahead of Proverbs, can you read this out loud?
• 2:57:09
  Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected
• 2:57:12
  with the reason and not with the feelings and presses me as
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  having much more weight. This follows from the extreme
• 2:57:20
  difficulty, or rather impossibility, of conceiving
• 2:57:23
  this immense and wonderful universe, including man, with
• 2:57:26
  his capability of looking far backwards and far into ferturity
• 2:57:31
  as a result of blind chance or necessity.
• 2:57:34
  When the use. When thus reflecting, I feel
• 2:57:37
  compelled to look to a first cause, having an intelligent
• 2:57:40
  mind, and some degree analogous, analogous.
• 2:57:46
  Analogous OK to that of man, and I deserve to be called a theist.
• 2:57:52
  Well, just the thing here. The thing is, Charles Darwin
• 2:57:57
  wasn't the first evolutionist Christians were.
• 2:58:01
  Atheists got their evolution in theory from Christians.
• 2:58:04
  It was Christians who introduced micro evolution and all the all
• 2:58:09
  the atheists simply did was steal from that and ran with it.
• 2:58:17
  If I run with it, you mean follow it to its logical
• 2:58:19
  conclusion, then yes. But let me make a very important
• 2:58:21
  point about evolution, because I just went upstairs and I just
• 2:58:24
  came down with something that proves it without a doubt.
• 2:58:27
  I have Lays chips that are Cheeto flavored.
• 2:58:29
  How did that evolve actually? Checkmate atheist.
• 2:58:34
  So before we, that's the design. Adam.
• 2:58:37
  Before we start evolving tails and such, are you guys seeing a
• 2:58:40
  wrench next to your name out there?
• 2:58:42
  Let's make sure that Outrage and Atheist has one.
• 2:58:45
  What about you guys? I do.
• 2:58:48
  I have two wrenches, one for each of you.
• 2:58:52
  Well, I don't know if you realize that or not, but you're
• 2:58:54
  still under the name Rage and Atheist there.
• 2:58:58
  Yeah, I'm on. I'm on the rage account.
• 2:59:00
  That's like my main account that I go to.
• 2:59:02
  Usually when I'm inside chats nowadays I try to use the other
• 2:59:05
  one, but I'm just not on that account right now.
• 2:59:07
  So I heard, like, through the Grapevine, you're the one who
• 2:59:10
  just converted, right? I'm a baby theist, yes, but I'm
• 2:59:13
  not a Christian. I don't believe in any human in
• 2:59:16
  human. I don't believe in human
• 2:59:18
  deities. I think humans.
• 2:59:20
  I think we we've been influenced by something and in our
• 2:59:23
  imperfection have just gotten it wrong forever.
• 2:59:27
  I got you. I have a really good friend who
• 2:59:29
  was an atheist for a long time, Adam, and he just became a
• 2:59:34
  theist and now we're working on bringing him to Jesus.
• 2:59:37
  We're going to add you to our list.
• 2:59:40
  Yeah, I mean, I definitely had an experience that that that
• 2:59:44
  brought me out of my heart atheism.
• 2:59:46
  Now as to what? That.
• 2:59:49
  Was. I don't know and I don't pretend
• 2:59:51
  no. Maybe maybe at some point it'll
• 2:59:53
  come with its calling card. But it it didn't have a name.
• 2:59:56
  It just. I don't know.
• 2:59:58
  To me it was it it I I I think, you know I I spoke of this as an
• 3:00:04
  atheist. I got in a lot of trouble.
• 3:00:05
  I think people have a purpose and I think sometimes people
• 3:00:08
  have a great purpose and I think sometimes if people don't
• 3:00:10
  fulfill that great purpose. Then the universe takes notice,
• 3:00:14
  or whatever it is out there in that universe that that would
• 3:00:17
  take notice of us. And I think that it can
• 3:00:20
  communicate with us and it communicated with me.
• 3:00:22
  I just don't know what the hell it was.
• 3:00:25
  Guys, I I need to point out the Rex Rex.
• 3:00:27
  I'm having a weird anomaly happen here inside the stream
• 3:00:32
  yards. I can see when you type things,
• 3:00:35
  but when I went on the outside to wrench everybody, your name
• 3:00:38
  isn't appearing on the actual comments board.
• 3:00:42
  I don't know why that is. I've been having some funny
• 3:00:44
  stuff happen since I became a YouTube partner.
• 3:00:48
  Yeah, I don't. That's what I've been trying to
• 3:00:49
  tell you. Like I I I don't know.
• 3:00:51
  It's just your channel too. It's very strange.
• 3:00:53
  And only you can see me on the YouTube comments, like all the
• 3:00:56
  stuff I typed. Only you can see it, and I'm
• 3:00:59
  typing that in stream yards. Oh, I can only I can only see
• 3:01:02
  you or typing out there with through is.
• 3:01:05
  He blocked Brett from LIKE. I will check it, I will see if
• 3:01:12
  that might be a problem. I've done that with a lot of
• 3:01:16
  people. I might have even had Rex
• 3:01:18
  blocked it once, although I can't imagine why, because he
• 3:01:20
  and I have always been on good, polite terms.
• 3:01:23
  You know, I've only blocked like two people, but my mods blocked
• 3:01:27
  hundreds of them, so every month I have to go through and unblock
• 3:01:29
  people. It's just take take away some of
• 3:01:32
  those wrenches. I have a total of like 20 people
• 3:01:35
  blocked in. 98% of them probably are just atheists who hate me
• 3:01:41
  because I support Kenton Hoeven. You know, I I know Kent.
• 3:01:47
  I've. I don't know him, Know him.
• 3:01:50
  I I was invited down to his compound for Thanksgiving
• 3:01:52
  dinner. I know him through Matt Powell.
• 3:01:54
  He has my phone number because Matt gave it to him.
• 3:01:57
  I've talked to him on the phone. I don't like Kent Hoeven for the
• 3:02:03
  thing, you know, for his religious teachings.
• 3:02:06
  I've criticized some of his actions, but I don't dislike
• 3:02:10
  Can't Hoeven. As a human being, I think all
• 3:02:14
  human beings have merit. And that's one thing that I'm
• 3:02:16
  trying to get a lot better at is, is expressing that openly
• 3:02:20
  instead of falling into the the box of oh, I must hate can't
• 3:02:24
  Hoeven, because I am this. You know, like, Nah, man, he's a
• 3:02:27
  human being. He makes mistakes.
• 3:02:29
  Nobody's nobody's, you know, infallible here.
• 3:02:34
  Who am I to judge? Can't Hoeven?
• 3:02:36
  I I would hope that he would do what I'm doing and try to be a
• 3:02:40
  better human being tomorrow than he was today.
• 3:02:42
  Yeah, everyone has redeemable qualities except for Darth.
• 3:02:46
  Yeah, Darth Dawkins. If you're talking about him,
• 3:02:48
  screw that guy. No.
• 3:02:49
  No. Darth Thorn has.
• 3:02:50
  He doesn't know Darth Dawkins. I've talked about Darth Dawkins
• 3:02:53
  before, but Steve, how are you? This guy will not go watch it.
• 3:02:56
  You need to Google Darth Offens and just watch one of his
• 3:02:59
  debates and that'll give you an idea what all his debates you
• 3:03:01
  like I have. Yeah, you just need to see one
• 3:03:03
  of them. I've got this Darth here and
• 3:03:05
  this Darth gives me like Gray hairs already so I can't handle
• 3:03:09
  a second. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:03:10
  When Darth the rain is came on, I thought I thought could be
• 3:03:13
  because Darth follows me around and last time I was on Brett
• 3:03:15
  show Darth Dawkins came in. So when he when Brett first said
• 3:03:18
  Darth, I'm like, oh, here we go again.
• 3:03:21
  Damn it. I'm so glad it's you and not
• 3:03:23
  him. The guy who calls everyone
• 3:03:25
  Internet stalker follows you around.
• 3:03:29
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He follows me around, yeah.
• 3:03:32
  Know why you're a theist now? Well, and because when he first
• 3:03:37
  met me, I knew nothing about philosophy.
• 3:03:39
  So he figured, like, here's an atheist I can really get, you
• 3:03:42
  know? Yeah, now I know a little bit
• 3:03:44
  more. So the last conversation we had
• 3:03:46
  I don't think went quite as well as he wanted it to.
• 3:03:51
  I don't even know why he bothers talking to people, like he could
• 3:03:53
  just have the conversation with himself.
• 3:03:54
  It's just a script every time. Yeah, he I think he does the
• 3:03:58
  Steven Crowder approach. He thinks he's gonna debate like
• 3:04:01
  a teenagers who don't know anything.
• 3:04:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he always says, How old are
• 3:04:06
  you, Sir? Well, you sound like a petulant
• 3:04:08
  16. Year old?
• 3:04:10
  Oh, yeah, I've gotten that one quite a few times.
• 3:04:12
  Yeah, I'm like, I'm 46, man. I ain't been a teenager in a
• 3:04:17
  long time. But I'll give you that.
• 3:04:18
  I act like one sometimes. Talking about converts, as you
• 3:04:23
  see, a godless girl. Also, I became a thesis.
• 3:04:26
  You know who she is. She yeah, yeah, she she reached
• 3:04:30
  out to me on Twitter not too long ago.
• 3:04:32
  I have an extensive history with her.
• 3:04:34
  I find her fascinating. She wanted to have like this,
• 3:04:39
  this heart to heart exchanging of stories on my channel.
• 3:04:44
  But she reached out to me like 2 days after.
• 3:04:46
  I was like, I'm done with YouTube for a while.
• 3:04:48
  Like this is the first time I've even been on anything in like 3
• 3:04:51
  months. So like I I never responded to
• 3:04:54
  her. So she probably took offense to
• 3:04:55
  that. But I was just, you know, like
• 3:04:57
  as a baby theist, I I wanted to stop talking because every time
• 3:05:01
  I talked, especially here on YouTube, I caught myself
• 3:05:03
  slipping back into my heart atheism.
• 3:05:05
  I I think I've done it a little bit tonight with with my
• 3:05:09
  approach here because it's so easy to fall back into bad, bad
• 3:05:12
  habits. But I think I am trying to be
• 3:05:15
  more respectful than I've ever been before.
• 3:05:17
  Like I'm I'm, I'm trying to have a conversation before I think
• 3:05:20
  Brett will tell you. Before I wasn't really
• 3:05:22
  interested in having a conversation with you.
• 3:05:24
  I was interested in proving you wrong and and I'm trying not to
• 3:05:27
  be like that anymore. Well, you know yourself at every
• 3:05:30
  age. Brett, you should have got Adam,
• 3:05:32
  Lauren here for this. Nothing.
• 3:05:36
  I don't know if you realize this, Proverbs, but Adam
• 3:05:40
  recently lost someone in his life, so he's been going through
• 3:05:43
  a grieving process. He emailed me so.
• 3:05:46
  He's probably won't be on for a while.
• 3:05:48
  Adam Lower. I've never heard.
• 3:05:49
  Is he, like Adam, friended? His name's this Adam Lower.
• 3:05:55
  His channel is mostly based upon his art and his comics and all
• 3:05:59
  that kind of stuff, and but right now he's going through
• 3:06:03
  some troubled times, so he'll be back later.
• 3:06:10
  Yeah, he's an intelligent guy are.
• 3:06:13
  You guys. Familiar with the gods of the
• 3:06:16
  Cthulla mythos. Are you making this up right
• 3:06:20
  now? Well, no.
• 3:06:21
  Cthulla certainly seems familiar.
• 3:06:24
  I'm not sure. Well, just HP Lovecraft made-up
• 3:06:27
  like a whole Canon of gods. HP Lovecraft, right?
• 3:06:30
  I was thinking, not my end, but I was thinking of Aztec.
• 3:06:36
  But no. Yeah, I was totally off there.
• 3:06:38
  So. Yeah, I got I would love to live
• 3:06:40
  in the world where these gods are real.
• 3:06:41
  They're very capricious, but like, the head God is Azatoth.
• 3:06:44
  Anyway, I say this because if I ever argue with Darth Dawkins,
• 3:06:47
  I'm just going to argue as though I believe Azatoth is the
• 3:06:49
  real God, right? I I don't think he'll know what
• 3:06:53
  to do because Azatoth is not only the most powerful God, he's
• 3:06:56
  referred to as the blind Idiot God.
• 3:07:01
  OK, there was this one old school Christian guy.
• 3:07:04
  I can't remember his name and I should gosh, you guys would all
• 3:07:07
  know who I'm talking about and I just can't remember.
• 3:07:09
  I've talked to so many at this point.
• 3:07:12
  But I got him with Wonk and Tonka one day, and Wonk and
• 3:07:18
  Tonka is a Native American God. And yet that when you get to to
• 3:07:23
  gods that most people have no understanding of or have never
• 3:07:27
  heard of, you can really throw a wrench in the conversation.
• 3:07:33
  Right. Like what do you do with the God
• 3:07:34
  who has Omni properties? But it's both blind, deaf, and
• 3:07:38
  actually crazy. That sounds like my kind of God.
• 3:07:46
  Yeah, at the top is the key and the and the gate.
• 3:07:50
  Wait, so Darth and Rex, which one of your guys is God is like
• 3:07:54
  higher on the tier of God's? Minus.
• 3:07:58
  And just saying that because you're biased.
• 3:08:00
  Yeah, it's because I can. I can make anybody reveal my God
• 3:08:03
  for them, so. For example, do you know that
• 3:08:06
  you? Can All you can do is make
• 3:08:08
  somebody run in circles for hour and a half to reveal chaos as
• 3:08:12
  God. Well, yeah, everybody will get
• 3:08:14
  the chaos. Did you know Proverbs?
• 3:08:16
  Inevitable. Except I've never seen you lead
• 3:08:19
  anybody to chaos. Look, look about debate with
• 3:08:21
  Darth. You lead people.
• 3:08:22
  To madness. You like me?
• 3:08:24
  To madness, but never problems. Yes, Sir.
• 3:08:26
  Proverbs, did you know that there's a religious position out
• 3:08:30
  there? And I was surprised to find it,
• 3:08:32
  but there's one that is. Theistic and atheist, almost at
• 3:08:37
  the same time. It's kind of a hybrid.
• 3:08:39
  You know how it works. Intrigue me.
• 3:08:43
  OK, so people believe that there was once a God that actually
• 3:08:48
  created the universe. But here's the catch.
• 3:08:51
  When the God created the universe, it destroyed itself
• 3:08:55
  and its essence became the stars and the energy and the very
• 3:08:58
  universe. So it basically destroyed itself
• 3:09:01
  in order to use its body to create the universe.
• 3:09:05
  So in a way you can believe that there was a God, but now there
• 3:09:09
  isn't. So that's how they're able to do
• 3:09:12
  religion theistic as well as atheists at the same time.
• 3:09:16
  That just sounds like old dredged up paganism, or maybe
• 3:09:19
  even some ancient Greek theology.
• 3:09:22
  Well, anything outside of the Abrahamic theology, the Big
• 3:09:26
  Three is going to be considered paganism.
• 3:09:28
  You're right on that. Well, we consider you guys Pagan
• 3:09:32
  because Pagan just means a person who doesn't worship your
• 3:09:34
  God. So to me, you guys are Pagan.
• 3:09:38
  Yeah. Robert guys, did you ever hand
• 3:09:39
  out? Chick tracks.
• 3:09:41
  Chick tracks. Do you not know what chick
• 3:09:44
  tracks are? Are those were the ones that
• 3:09:46
  look like a $20 bill and then you open it up and it's like
• 3:09:49
  John 316? Maybe they're not quite that
• 3:09:52
  egregious. They're like little storybooks.
• 3:09:54
  A guy named Jack Chick. He was real, I thought.
• 3:09:56
  Most Christians, he was he. They're like, they're like
• 3:09:59
  little gospel messages. Anyway, I posted a side chat
• 3:10:03
  like a long time ago or a couple years ago someone made a chick
• 3:10:05
  track for Cthulu and essentially it's it walks you through the
• 3:10:09
  promise of Cthulu that you will get eaten first when he returns.
• 3:10:14
  But yeah, chick tracks are look a lot.
• 3:10:16
  The old chick tracks are crazy, man.
• 3:10:17
  They're really like all over the place and sort of weird.
• 3:10:28
  Have you heard of them, Brett? Like when you were as a
• 3:10:30
  Christian or when you were an atheist?
• 3:10:31
  Did you never get a chick track? Shit.
• 3:10:34
  Track. Chick.
• 3:10:38
  Chick. All right, So what are you
• 3:10:40
  asking me about again? Try that one more time.
• 3:10:42
  I guess you never got one. Has anyone besides me heard of
• 3:10:45
  Chick? Try.
• 3:10:45
  I thought it was, like, ubiquitous.
• 3:10:46
  Maybe it was just. Where I was from never heard of
• 3:10:48
  it. I've seen what you're talking
• 3:10:50
  about, but yeah, I never, I've gotten those like fake dollar
• 3:10:53
  bills because I used to be a server.
• 3:10:54
  And then you you you're like, you know, at least they left me
• 3:10:58
  something is only a dollar. And then you turn it over and
• 3:11:00
  it's like come to Jesus or whatever.
• 3:11:02
  I don't know if that's what you're talking about.
• 3:11:05
  I don't know if he made the dollar bill one.
• 3:11:07
  He might have. He's that that kind of guy.
• 3:11:08
  But he just, he made all sorts of things like there have scary
• 3:11:12
  messages about how you're going to go to hell.
• 3:11:13
  And some of them like they have messages like why you shouldn't
• 3:11:16
  touch yourself and there's really like.
• 3:11:18
  Just like basic Christian theology condensed in a weird
• 3:11:21
  comic book style. Yeah, I know what you're talking
• 3:11:23
  about. Those things.
• 3:11:26
  Yeah, they're, they're, they were all replaced.
• 3:11:28
  They're. Little pamphlets, right?
• 3:11:31
  Comics. Booklets.
• 3:11:31
  Yeah. I haven't seen them in a while.
• 3:11:36
  They've gone out of fashion, thank goodness, but they are.
• 3:11:39
  They're just awful. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 3:11:43
  I think I might be able to. So like, I've had this idea and
• 3:11:48
  it kind of goes with what, like Brett had said, I've had this
• 3:11:51
  idea before, like maybe there was a God and and God created
• 3:11:55
  the universe with its own self sacrifice.
• 3:11:58
  That's where we get The Big Bang and that essence of God spread
• 3:12:01
  throughout the universe, created the universe, and now it's now
• 3:12:04
  coalesced all these billions of years later in a sentient life
• 3:12:07
  here on Earth, maybe even sooner throughout the universe.
• 3:12:11
  I, you know, I don't know how Christians feel about aliens.
• 3:12:14
  I don't necessarily believe aliens come to Earth, but I
• 3:12:16
  definitely think that they're out in the universe.
• 3:12:18
  I think that there's other sentient lifeout there, and I
• 3:12:22
  the idea that of, you know, of that deity being a part of what
• 3:12:29
  makes us seemingly so special. I, you know, I find it to be a
• 3:12:33
  fascinating idea. I can't claim that I created it.
• 3:12:36
  I've I heard it somewhere. Maybe it was some kind of
• 3:12:38
  ancient theology that I had researched at some point.
• 3:12:41
  But I found it to be a fascinating idea and it's one.
• 3:12:44
  As an atheist, I don't really think it would be hard to argue
• 3:12:47
  against that, I think because it it would match up with what we
• 3:12:50
  know about the universe. I was going to say as far as
• 3:12:54
  aliens and the concept of God and all that this gets me in
• 3:12:58
  trouble with other religious folks, but by definition God is
• 3:13:02
  an alien. So I I see him as an actual
• 3:13:06
  extra dimensional deity. I even got Matt Powell to admit
• 3:13:10
  that breast so don't feel too bad when I when I broke it down
• 3:13:14
  for him. And I'm like, you know, an alien
• 3:13:16
  is, is is this creature that wasn't born on Earth, right.
• 3:13:20
  So technically, God's an alien. I was like, Matt.
• 3:13:22
  Matt was like, yeah, I I guess I can see where you're coming
• 3:13:24
  from. Yeah, I I guess some people when
• 3:13:29
  they think of aliens, they visualize green monsters or some
• 3:13:33
  sludge floating around on Mars or something like that.
• 3:13:36
  But to me people should look into like 12 dimensional.
• 3:13:42
  Beings and entities and all that.
• 3:13:44
  Carl Sagan talked about it. Yeah, I I think if aliens are
• 3:13:48
  coming to Earth, they're not traveling through space.
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  They're probably traveling through dimensions.
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  It's funny cuz like the questions will deny aliens
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  because the theological reasons it doesn't match up with the
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  theology, and like atheists will deny aliens because it doesn't.
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  It contradicts their evolutionary, yeah.
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  Their evolutionary religion, because they have now have to
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  say somewhere in outer space there's green monkeys.
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  Well, no, I I don't think it contradicts our evolutionary
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  position at all. I think if anything it would
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  only substantiate it that it's something, it's a normal process
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  within the universe. The thing you're gonna have to
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  say there's green monkeys out there and they don't want to say
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  that. Well, there there is an
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  argument. There is an argument about
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  aliens. It does.
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  You've never seen Beast Boy? I was going to say there is
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  there, there is an argument that bothers non believers when it
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  comes to aliens and that's the Fermi Paradox.
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  But besides that, Oh yeah, most atheists I've met actually do
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  believe that it's very probable that there's other life forms in
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  the universe. I have met very few that would
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  claim that they don't think there's lifeout there.
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  Yeah, it's kind of weird because you know, I I had a preface
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  bringing up aliens at all with, you know, I don't really think
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  that they can get to Earth because yeah, atheists will jump
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  your shit, man. They they believe that aliens
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  are out there. But the moment you talk, start
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  talking about, you know, UFO encounters here on Earth and
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  you're a conspiracy theorist or some shit, it's crazy.
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  I I I can't equate the two. Like, it doesn't really make
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  sense to me. Like, all right, so you you
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  believe the mathematical probability of sentient life on
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  other planets, but you can't get to the point to where it's
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  possible that they're here. I don't know.
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  I've never really understood that with the atheist community.
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  I don't believe that they can get to Earth because I haven't
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  seen one. But if I saw a damn spaceship,
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  I'd probably believe it, right? Well, I know what they're doing
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  it cuz atheism's about keeping people in the dark.
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  So they can't let you know that there's a God.
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  They can't let you know there's. I totally disagree with that.
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  I would say atheism's about bringing you out from the dark,
• 3:15:53
  about trying to inform you with real knowledge as opposed to
• 3:15:57
  fake knowledge. It tries to.
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  It tries to disguise itself as an effort.
• 3:16:01
  It is doing that. But it's real intentionality to
• 3:16:05
  draw you away from spirituality, draw you away from the greater
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  reality. No, I I can personally guarantee
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  you that as much as I was disdainful towards the Christian
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  religion, especially, my my goal, and I've always stated
• 3:16:21
  this, was never to bring anybody out of Christianity.
• 3:16:24
  It was just to merely say, I'm here, I'm here too.
• 3:16:29
  I live in this society too. And I should not be subjugated
• 3:16:31
  to your Christian theology as rules and regulations for my
• 3:16:35
  life, that that was the whole point of me being on the
• 3:16:37
  Internet. It wasn't to bring people away
• 3:16:40
  from from religion. It was to simply say I'm here
• 3:16:43
  and I can. I can say what I want.
• 3:16:45
  But that's the thing. You wanted truth, and that's why
• 3:16:47
  you converted. But the atheist, the hardline
• 3:16:50
  atheist, they don't want the truth.
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  They don't. They're not seeking the truth.
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  I'm not gonna argue with you because I think that everybody
• 3:16:59
  gets into their boxes, right? So even I think a lot of people
• 3:17:02
  that think they're seeking truth are stuck in a box and they
• 3:17:05
  don't even know how to seek it because they're confined.
• 3:17:08
  So I won't argue with that. But again, you're assuming
• 3:17:12
  people's motives that you can't possibly know.
• 3:17:14
  It's an assumption on your part because it's a threat to your
• 3:17:17
  theology. It's a threat to your beliefs.
• 3:17:19
  I did the same thing with Christians for years, right?
• 3:17:21
  I think that's a human reaction. I'm not judging you for it.
• 3:17:24
  But but when people assume that they can know people's
• 3:17:27
  intentions and thoughts, you're fooling yourself.
• 3:17:30
  I'm pretty sure I can know the intentions of a Satanist.
• 3:17:34
  So a Satanist who let's say there's an atheist who won't
• 3:17:38
  come out as a Satanist, and they know they're a Satanist.
• 3:17:41
  I think I fully understand the intentionality.
• 3:17:43
  They're not being honest. So, for example, Mark Reid is a
• 3:17:48
  Satanist, but he won't tell the Christians he's debating that he
• 3:17:51
  is a Satanist. He'll present himself as an
• 3:17:54
  atheist. Mark Reid is not a Satanist.
• 3:17:57
  He is. He said that to me.
• 3:17:59
  He is a Satanist. He is again, He's probably a
• 3:18:03
  political Satanist. He.
• 3:18:05
  I know Margaret. Yeah, he's.
• 3:18:06
  Not a political Satanist. He got any kind of Satan?
• 3:18:08
  Yeah, yeah. I've never heard that before.
• 3:18:10
  No. Yes.
• 3:18:11
  You don't have that video either, Darth.
• 3:18:13
  No, here's what happened with that some freaking idiot.
• 3:18:16
  It's 10, OK? I know Mark.
• 3:18:17
  He's not a Satanist. He literally is.
• 3:18:21
  I got him to it. May.
• 3:18:21
  He was a Satanist. Here's what.
• 3:18:23
  I I've talked to Mark many times.
• 3:18:25
  He's never said anything about believing, so if you got him to
• 3:18:29
  say he was a Satanist, he was probably being sarcastic with
• 3:18:32
  you because he was frustrated with you.
• 3:18:34
  I can say yeah, I can say I'm a Satanist just to piss off
• 3:18:38
  somebody and not mean it like. I didn't even think he would do
• 3:18:42
  that. Though, So what?
• 3:18:43
  Yeah, neither do I I just don't get it.
• 3:18:46
  No, this is not the mark read I know.
• 3:18:48
  No, he was just embarrassed I caught him that he is saying
• 3:18:50
  this. You can ask him, but here's what
• 3:18:52
  happened with the freaking evidence.
• 3:18:54
  Some freaking idiot. OK, I'm a I'm a mod at saying
• 3:18:57
  for truth. You know what's saying for
• 3:18:58
  truth, right? Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 3:19:00
  Standing for truth was the first Christian I ever talked to you
• 3:19:03
  on a live stream. So yeah, so I, he admitted in
• 3:19:06
  the comment section. But some freaking idiot.
• 3:19:09
  Standing for truth that lead his freaking comments and I wasn't
• 3:19:13
  able to freaking capture it before You're fucking like I got
• 3:19:16
  a so he he made a comment based on something he saw.
• 3:19:20
  No, I I got him to admit he was a sadist.
• 3:19:23
  Why he's. Standing for the truth, so.
• 3:19:24
  He he said. Why?
• 3:19:26
  Would they want to not discredit the promenade?
• 3:19:28
  Yes. No, that makes no sense.
• 3:19:30
  No direct words is, he said. I am a Satanist.
• 3:19:34
  Exit out. Yeah, I I I bet you right now if
• 3:19:39
  you go and ask Mark Reid if he's a Satanist, he'd probably say
• 3:19:42
  no. Yes, but some.
• 3:19:45
  I now would have the evidence. But some freaking moron at
• 3:19:48
  stunning for truth like he was another mod.
• 3:19:50
  I think it was freaking Dokie because.
• 3:19:51
  I was talking to this dude named Arthur Anis and he kept telling
• 3:19:53
  me he was a Satanist. But like, you know what?
• 3:19:57
  Brett Keane deleted the video before I could download it.
• 3:20:00
  No, it's just look, you can actually see my comments
• 3:20:04
  replying to him and other people replying to him, but you can't
• 3:20:07
  see his comments cuz some freaking moron standing for
• 3:20:10
  truth that's decided to ban him. So the one thing you can't see
• 3:20:17
  in a comment war when you're when you're writing comments
• 3:20:21
  back and forth to each other. Is sarcasm right?
• 3:20:25
  Like it wasn't sarcasm. You can.
• 3:20:26
  You can. One thing I can see Mark doing
• 3:20:28
  is, is Mark can get frustrated. He can get frustrated with with
• 3:20:32
  what he considers to be stupidity, right?
• 3:20:35
  Like that's the only way I can see him saying I guarantee you,
• 3:20:38
  like if you had a serious conversation with Mark Reid, he
• 3:20:40
  would not. He would tell you he's not a
• 3:20:42
  Satanist. Just like I can almost guarantee
• 3:20:44
  you if he had a serious conversation with Arun Rah, he'd
• 3:20:46
  break down his Satanism. You know, ever since on Rod
• 3:20:50
  announced he was a Satanist, Christians have had a fucking
• 3:20:52
  wet dream with it. But like, it's a political
• 3:20:55
  movement. It's not.
• 3:20:58
  It's not a deity movement. It's not a political movement
• 3:21:00
  for Aaron Rock cuz he was an actual petitioner practitioner.
• 3:21:05
  So on Rod, back in the day. Maybe not.
• 3:21:10
  I don't know. I don't know Onra enough to to
• 3:21:13
  reach out to him and ask him. I've been in one stream with the
• 3:21:16
  guy and he called me a street atheist when it came to Matt
• 3:21:19
  Powell's movies Science Falsley, So, so-called.
• 3:21:22
  That's the only interactions we've ever had.
• 3:21:23
  But when it comes to Mark Reed, I know Mark Reed.
• 3:21:25
  I can ask him and I probably will tomorrow.
• 3:21:28
  Like he might even be. He might even be live right now
• 3:21:30
  because he's Australian. And don't tell, don't tell,
• 3:21:33
  don't don't tell him about this, OK?
• 3:21:34
  Try to bait him into saying it. I'll.
• 3:21:37
  I'll. Just not even lie about.
• 3:21:38
  It no, I I I'm not gonna mention you at all.
• 3:21:40
  I'll just like Mark, Are you a Satanist?
• 3:21:42
  And he's gonna be like, no, that's that's gonna be it, you
• 3:21:46
  know? Yeah.
• 3:21:48
  Just just as like because just just like don't, just don't let
• 3:21:53
  him that I was involved because he he'll know and then he'll try
• 3:21:56
  to obfuscate it. No, no, I'll just.
• 3:21:58
  I'll just ask him like I've. Hey, man, I heard you as a
• 3:22:00
  Satanist. Is this true?
• 3:22:02
  And he'll be like, what are you talking about, traitor.
• 3:22:07
  All right. And after he says yes, tell him
• 3:22:10
  bubble gum says pay up your him $1,000,000.
• 3:22:13
  You know what I'm talking about. Or let me unmute.
• 3:22:18
  If he says yes, I'm gonna be shocked of it.
• 3:22:21
  And then I'm gonna have to wonder.
• 3:22:22
  All right, so now there does seem to be this apparent
• 3:22:25
  movement of atheists moving to Satanism, and I'm getting caught
• 3:22:29
  out for just, you know? Having my little couch
• 3:22:32
  experience and being like, dude, I'm not an atheist anymore, but
• 3:22:35
  nobody's calling out the Satanist.
• 3:22:37
  I need to find out about this. Cool.
• 3:22:43
  All right, I'm about to hop out. It's getting late on my end.
• 3:22:49
  Alright man, See you later there you.
• 3:22:51
  Me too. I was going to do it actually at
• 3:22:53
  midnight because that was past my bedtime and now it's 1:30.
• 3:22:56
  If I don't go to sleep, I'm going to regret it.
• 3:22:57
  So I I appreciate y'all let me have this conversation with you
• 3:23:00
  guys tonight. It was good talking to you.
• 3:23:03
  Remember every Friday 7:00 PM Central I try to do things.
• 3:23:08
  I tried to do one at 7:00 PM earlier, but I used Obf's
• 3:23:11
  instead of stream yards and my Internet went.
• 3:23:14
  Yeah, I I I was here for that one because I I was gonna
• 3:23:17
  actually jump in back then. I do have a different job now.
• 3:23:20
  So one of the reasons why I haven't been around outside of,
• 3:23:23
  you know, I just wanted to keep my mouth shut for a while is I
• 3:23:26
  had this job, I was working seven days a week, I was putting
• 3:23:28
  in about 76 hours a week, so I just didn't have time for
• 3:23:33
  Internet stuff. So I I switched jobs.
• 3:23:35
  I should have more time off, especially on the weekends.
• 3:23:38
  So yeah, definitely if I'm not working on a Saturday I'll I'll
• 3:23:42
  try to jump in a bit more. Well, remember, man, if you come
• 3:23:45
  into the live streams, it'll always be relaxing for you.
• 3:23:49
  If anybody comes and starts bugging you, I don't mind being
• 3:23:52
  the bad guy and fucking somebody right out of here.
• 3:23:55
  Oh yeah, I I definitely enjoyed this conversation tonight and
• 3:23:59
  but but I've I've pretty much enjoyed almost all of our
• 3:24:02
  conversations except for that one at the very beginning when
• 3:24:04
  we met, when I went on your channel all drunk.
• 3:24:08
  It's all good. But all right.
• 3:24:10
  Y'all have a good night. Thanks for thanks for the great.
• 3:24:12
  This was a great conversation, man.
• 3:24:14
  All around every every topic. I thought, you know, we we had a
• 3:24:17
  good conversation. Tonight About you, Mr. It looks
• 3:24:27
  like Darth took off. No, Rex.
• 3:24:29
  You got anything on your mind, man?
• 3:24:32
  No, I think I should probably get going too.
• 3:24:34
  I just you and me. I'm also tired.
• 3:24:38
  All right, well, I hope that your headache has went away or
• 3:24:41
  going away and let's get you some good sleep.
• 3:24:44
  And oof, you know what can you do?
• 3:24:50
  All right man. Well, I'm glad you're working on
• 3:24:52
  trying to get me to be show up in your chat.
• 3:24:54
  It's just annoying as I'll get out.
• 3:24:57
  Yeah, I'm sorry about that, man. I know it's nothing that
• 3:25:00
  happened on purpose. It might not have anything to do
• 3:25:03
  with you. You never know.
• 3:25:04
  It's just mildly annoying. But.
• 3:25:06
  I can always come in and voice my opinion.
• 3:25:08
  Well, I tried to find you so I can moderate you and all that.
• 3:25:12
  That's how much I like you and trust you.
• 3:25:14
  So I'm sorry, but I just can't see you on the actual YouTube
• 3:25:19
  page. Yeah, if you think about it,
• 3:25:22
  just look through your band list.
• 3:25:23
  I might be in there. Or it might just be a glitch,
• 3:25:25
  but whatever, no biggie. It's a glitch because there was
• 3:25:29
  no if you were shut down on YouTube.
• 3:25:32
  Then you wouldn't have showed up on stream yards out there in the
• 3:25:36
  stream yards chat. Yeah, I don't know, like I
• 3:25:41
  tried. Maybe I'll try joining you from
• 3:25:43
  a different web browser next time I'm using Brave.
• 3:25:47
  Maybe I'll just switch to Chrome, see if that makes a
• 3:25:48
  difference. But.
• 3:25:52
  We'll try to figure it out. Well, sweet dreams now.
• 3:25:55
  Alright man. See you next week.
• 3:25:56
  Bye.