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Credlin | 26 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandlin live on Skyings Australia.
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Speaker 2: It's just made me feel very very old boys. Good evening,
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Speaker 2: welcome to show. Here's what's coming up tonight on Credline
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Speaker 2: major energy energy companies. A warning of a perfect storm
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Speaker 2: set to hit our East Coast markets, meaning gas shortages, blackouts,
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Speaker 2: even more increases to your power bill. Terror attacks in
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Speaker 2: Europe over the weekend show just how careful we must
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Speaker 2: be when it comes to who we let into Australia.
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Speaker 2: A shadowing defeat in the battle to the FED women's
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Speaker 2: only spaces, with the Federal Court finding in favor of Transform,
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Speaker 2: Roxanne Tickle in illegal action against sal Grover or gett
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Speaker 2: into the implications of this judgment with a legal expert
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Speaker 2: as Grover is urged to appeal that huge deviat for
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Speaker 2: Labor of the weekend and what it will now mean
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister Shane Stone, the President of the Country
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, joins me and at the Bush Summit today
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Speaker 2: in Bendigo, the Victorian Premier was confronted with the reality
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Speaker 2: of just how unpopular Labour's renewables roll out is in
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Speaker 2: regional Australia.
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Speaker 3: Also provides not just a more secure form of energy.
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Speaker 4: It's a cheaper form of energy. We're nearly at forty percent.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so how do we get excuse ladies and John's.
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Speaker 2: But first, the Amanzi governments you workplace laws are operational today,
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Speaker 2: permitting industry wide bargaining and giving workers the so called
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Speaker 2: right to disconnect from their boss after hours.
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Speaker 4: Today. The Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Claimed that these changes would somehow boost productivity because they
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Speaker 2: would generate loyalty to the business.
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Speaker 6: You know what it'll do. It'll boost productivity because because
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Speaker 6: when people are actually loyal to their employer and focused
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Speaker 6: on what they should be doing, not being distracted during
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Speaker 6: twenty four hours a day, you'll get a more productive
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Speaker 6: at workforce.
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Speaker 2: All apart from the obvious, what would he know, having
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Speaker 2: never run a business or managed one, given is a
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Speaker 2: longtime political apparachi.
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Speaker 4: This is the Prime Minister at.
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Speaker 2: His brazen best, asserting what he knows to be false.
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Speaker 2: Let's say for what it is, industry wide bargaining is
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Speaker 2: an attempt to force managers to negotiate with the unions
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Speaker 2: rather than their own staff. Inevitably, it will result in
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Speaker 2: one size fits all agreements and it'll cause our already
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Speaker 2: woeful productivity to crash even further a productivity, which is
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Speaker 2: the result you get for any given amount of effort,
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Speaker 2: is already falling, mostly because businesses are using cheap migrant
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Speaker 2: labor rather than trying to make the most of a
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Speaker 2: skilled workforce. The current government won't slow down record immigration
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Speaker 2: because it needs to keep the headline economic growth positive,
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Speaker 2: because it won't cross the vice chancellors. It won't say
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Speaker 2: no to oversee students, which are the university cash cow,
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Speaker 2: because it thinks poorly paid migrants will one day be
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Speaker 2: a labor vote bank. So because it won't deal with
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Speaker 2: record high immigration that's driving your wages down, it's now
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Speaker 2: going to give the unions more power in the hope
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Speaker 2: of driving them up. Except that this will further reduce productivity,
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Speaker 2: meaning that while some workers might do better, the economy
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Speaker 2: as a whole will suffer and on average.
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Speaker 4: Workers will do worse.
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Speaker 2: Alongside the new bargaining laws are new bands on contacting
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Speaker 2: staff out of work hours. Now, I reckon this is
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Speaker 2: over the top. Most workers are not contacted out of ours,
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Speaker 2: and if they are, it's usually because the boss needs
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Speaker 2: to get in touch if it becomes a problem and
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Speaker 2: can't the company deal with it. Why do we need
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Speaker 2: more big brother law and all these heavy fines. It's
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Speaker 2: all distraction politics anyway. It's so that we talk about
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Speaker 2: this stuff tonight, bosses sending emails over the weekend, rather
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Speaker 2: than things like the thuggish c OFMU. The government wants
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Speaker 2: you to think it's getting tough on this militant union,
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Speaker 2: but putting it into administration for three years just kicks
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Speaker 2: the can down the road till after the next election,
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Speaker 2: and Labour will still take CEAFMU cash in Queensland, where
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Speaker 2: there's an election in October. This government's economic record is
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Speaker 2: a little short of woeful. It's deeply hostile to the
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Speaker 2: resource exports on which our productivity and prosperity depends. It's
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Speaker 2: making electricity without which modern life's impossible, almost unaffordable. Its
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Speaker 2: environmental rules are making land development near impossible, and so
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Speaker 2: the country with more readily available land that anywhere else
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Speaker 2: has amongst the world's highest housing costs thanks to the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government. This is slow economic suicide. Question is when
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Speaker 2: are we going to wake up? Last Friday, a Federal
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Speaker 2: court judge declared that gender concepts are changing and that
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Speaker 2: a woman's only app has excluded a trans woman now
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Speaker 2: described as a female on her birth certificate, and that
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Speaker 2: now is unlawful discrimination. Justice Robert Romich found that sex
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Speaker 2: is changeable and non binary, and that the concept has
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Speaker 2: broadened over the thirty years since the Sex Discrimination.
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Speaker 4: Act was passed.
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Speaker 2: Of course, trans people should be treated with respect, as
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Speaker 2: should every human being. But surgery and drugs can't change
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Speaker 2: a biological man into a war women. It's a simple
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Speaker 2: matter of science that no amount of activist bullying can change.
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Speaker 2: And there are things that a trans woman just can't do,
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Speaker 2: like bear a child. And there are some things that
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Speaker 2: a trans woman might be able to do better than
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Speaker 2: a biological woman, like run faster, punch harder. So if
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Speaker 2: there are to be save spaces for women, and isn't
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Speaker 2: that what women have fought for for centuries, spaces like
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Speaker 2: our own toilets, change rooms, even domestic violent shelters, well
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Speaker 2: these spaces can't be invaded by trans people in the
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Speaker 2: name of equal rights, because we are different.
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Speaker 4: Now, different isn't bad, it's just not the same.
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Speaker 2: And just as women and girls must be able to
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Speaker 2: have these single sex spaces like the online space that
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Speaker 2: Giggle found, a cell Groverer sought to create likewise, trans
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Speaker 2: people should be perfectly freed set up a trans app
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Speaker 2: and exclude people like me anyone who's not trans, on
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Speaker 2: the grounds that there are just some things that are
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Speaker 2: unique to trans people. If people are whatever they say
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Speaker 2: they are, which is the clear import of this lattice
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Speaker 2: called judgment, what's the point of saying, for instance, there
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Speaker 2: should be more women on boards or more women in
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Speaker 2: the parliament. If being a woman is now open to everyone,
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Speaker 2: this judgment must be appealed. Thankfully, that seems likely.
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Speaker 7: I've said from the very beginning, when it was just
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Speaker 7: an Australian Human Grat's Commission complaint, that I would take
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Speaker 7: it as far as I needed to, always knowing that
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Speaker 7: the High Court was really potentially where this was going
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Speaker 7: to end up, because either side would have appealed based
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Speaker 7: on what this decision was. So yeah, I will be
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Speaker 7: appealing and going.
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Speaker 4: All the way with it.
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Speaker 2: I know no one wants to incur the fury of
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Speaker 2: the trans lobby or social media and death, but when
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Speaker 2: are people in leadership positions going to stand up to
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Speaker 2: the trans lobby and defend women. We've only just reached
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Speaker 2: real equality in my lifetime, not my grandmother's, not even
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Speaker 2: my mother's despite how hard they fought and what we
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Speaker 2: now have to accept, it's all being ripped away from
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Speaker 2: us in the name of trans equality. You can forget
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Speaker 2: that this is one of those issues that unites women
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Speaker 2: from the left and women from the right Like me.
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Speaker 2: This fight has only just started. It's often said state
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Speaker 2: and federal elections are fought on their own terms, and
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Speaker 2: that's mostly true, but there are plenty of lessons in
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Speaker 2: this weekend's result from the Northern Territory. A labor government
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Speaker 2: that made excuses for criminals and that couldn't be trusted
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Speaker 2: with money is being smashed. In the end, good governments
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Speaker 2: about fixing practical problems that people can't readily solve on
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Speaker 2: their own. All the personal charisma or all the excuses,
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Speaker 2: however initially plausible, won't save a bad government. If people
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Speaker 2: don't feel safe, or if people don't feel the government's
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Speaker 2: competent at its job. Prime is out of control of
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory because the Green left think a tough
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Speaker 2: policing is somehow blaming the victim. And debt's out of
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Speaker 2: control too, because green left politicians think that big government
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Speaker 2: is the answer to every problem. Now that sounds a
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Speaker 2: lot like Canberra Watch out, Prime Minister. Well, let's get
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Speaker 2: the headlines now. Sky News political reporter Olivia Caisley.
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Speaker 8: Good evening the government's blueprint to improve the aviation sector
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Speaker 8: has finally landed. Passengers will be able to access cash
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Speaker 8: refunds for canceled or unreasonably delayed flights under the federal crackdown.
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Speaker 3: We've heard loudland clearly that people are not getting the
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Speaker 3: experience that they are paying for or expect to get.
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Speaker 8: The latest research shows nearly a third of planes are
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Speaker 8: late in arriving to their destination. They'll also be a
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Speaker 8: new body to deal with aircraft noise. The white paper
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Speaker 8: acknowledges the dominance of the Quantus Virgin duopoly and the
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Speaker 8: fact Australian travelers pay more for airfares than those in
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Speaker 8: other countries.
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Speaker 3: What we're trying to do is get as much competition
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Speaker 3: as we possibly can, bearing in mind we are a
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Speaker 3: small market.
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Speaker 8: But the opposition says the government's response is a crush landing.
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Speaker 9: If this is a white paper that's going to fix
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Speaker 9: the issues in the domestic aviation sector, this minister needs
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Speaker 9: to be sacked.
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Speaker 8: The right to disconnect came into effect today for businesses
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Speaker 8: with more than fifteen employees. The legislation gives employees the
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Speaker 8: right to ignore their bosses and clients after hours unless
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Speaker 8: doing so is unreasonable.
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Speaker 5: Workers are being contacted by their boss about run of
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Speaker 5: the mill things that could easily wait till the next day.
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Speaker 8: Business groups say changes to the definition of a casual
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Speaker 8: employer could also backfire.
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Speaker 10: Effectively, we're ending up with a situation which is much
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Speaker 10: more structured, much less flexible.
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Speaker 8: The new rules mean companies will have to offer permanent
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Speaker 8: jobs to more casuals currently working regular hours and days.
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Speaker 8: Israel and Hesbala have exchanged missiles and one of the
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Speaker 8: biggest clashes in the past ten months, Hesblah has fired
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Speaker 8: hundreds of rockets and drones towards Israel following an IDF
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Speaker 8: attack in Lebanon. Israel maintains it was acting in self defense.
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Speaker 2: All right, for a look at today's other big stories.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby,
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Speaker 2: and seeing a fellow of the Menzies Research Center, Nikator.
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Speaker 2: We'll start, if we can, with those workplace laws coming
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Speaker 2: in today. In addition to the so called right to disconnect,
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Speaker 2: there's been a clamp down on the use of independent
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Speaker 2: contractors and easier pathways for casuals. I fear though casuals
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Speaker 2: becoming more permanent will lead to businesses not hiring casuals.
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Speaker 2: The reform has been described as hellishly complex, and the
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Speaker 2: talk is from experts that it will undermine productivity.
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Speaker 4: James.
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Speaker 2: The biggest issue for me and all of this really
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Speaker 2: and I think the contacting workers over the weekend, that's
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Speaker 2: just a distraction. It's the industry wide bargaining rules. We've
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Speaker 2: got more than eleven thousand companies falling into administration during
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Speaker 2: the last financial year. I fear that's going to make
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Speaker 2: things worse.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, certainly will. This has come as a huge shock
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Speaker 10: to a lot of businesses. Just in the last twenty
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Speaker 10: four hours. A lot of businesses still are coming to
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Speaker 10: terms with the fact that these legislative changes have come
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Speaker 10: into effect. A lot of those businesses are having to
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Speaker 10: have sit down conversations with your employees right now and
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Speaker 10: say to them, look, under the terms that the government
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Speaker 10: have set for us, we can't keep you on as
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Speaker 10: a casual. Therefore you'll lose your twenty five percent loading.
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Speaker 10: They come across as the employer, as the bad guys
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Speaker 10: because they're stripping these people who need much needed extra funds,
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Speaker 10: especially in this cost of living crisis that we're having
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Speaker 10: at the moment, and saying to them, listen, you're going
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Speaker 10: to have to full go your twenty five percent loading.
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Speaker 11: We're going to have to put you on as.
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Speaker 10: A permanent casual or permanent part timer, or as a
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Speaker 10: permanent and that may not just suit so many households,
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Speaker 10: especially with the way that families operate today, whether you're
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Speaker 10: a single mum or a single dad that can only
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Speaker 10: do those hours that the kids are at school, but
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Speaker 10: it also might suit you if you're a penchiono who
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Speaker 10: only wants to earn a couple of extra dollars a week.
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Speaker 10: All of a sudden, that conversation has to be had
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Speaker 10: to say, we've got to change your entire way you
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Speaker 10: work for us. So this not only impacts the business
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Speaker 10: but the employee as well, and there's going to be
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Speaker 10: some pretty hard discussions for both the employer and employee
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Speaker 10: over the.
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Speaker 11: Next coming months.
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Speaker 10: This is going to end up resulting in some factions
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Speaker 10: within the workplace, but it's also going to end up
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Speaker 10: in people losing jobs over time as well. The full
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Speaker 10: effects of this won't be known for some time. I'd
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Speaker 10: say within the next twelve months.
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Speaker 2: Last night, John said former CFMU Boston Victoria sat down
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Speaker 2: for tell interview and he accused the federal government of
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Speaker 2: betraying him in an alleged secret deal where his resignation,
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Speaker 2: he says, would ensure the union was not put into
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Speaker 2: an administration.
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Speaker 4: How ABU listen?
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Speaker 12: The truth is there was a deal. Struck I offered
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Speaker 12: myself when I heard that there could be an administrator appointed.
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Speaker 12: Struck between who between our union, our national office and
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Speaker 12: my understanding was Burke, Minister Burke. I said, you know
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Speaker 12: what I'll go. I will pull the pin today, but
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Speaker 12: they leave the union alone. And at twenty to six
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Speaker 12: the call came through, Yes there's a deal.
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Speaker 2: And tomorrow in a Victorian neck, eighty five thousand plus
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Speaker 2: Victorian workers are going to get told down their tools
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Speaker 2: at eleven you're marching in solidarity with the CFMAU. These
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Speaker 2: guys are not going to go quietly. And I reckon
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Speaker 2: this is a conjob just to make the issue go away.
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Speaker 2: This administration lurk until after the next election. Nothing much
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Speaker 2: is going to change. What do you think.
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Speaker 13: Because just beld the cat hasn't he He says, If
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Speaker 13: his account is even half right, that there was a
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Speaker 13: deal struck privately between this rogue union and people in
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Speaker 13: the government, then that is disgraceful.
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Speaker 14: That is disgraceful, Peter.
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Speaker 13: But we know that that is probably what occurred, because unfortunately,
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Speaker 13: this is when we see just how weak labor prime
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Speaker 13: ministers are, particularly one like this who's refusing to stand
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Speaker 13: up to the industrial labor movement, which has so much
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Speaker 13: influence on his own party, not to mention funding.
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Speaker 14: It is deeply a deeply corrupt.
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Speaker 13: Process whereby they get so much say in government policy.
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Speaker 14: And as you've already flagged on the show.
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Speaker 13: On things like collective bargaining, that's what unions wanted. It's
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Speaker 13: strongly against the interests of the rest of it. And
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Speaker 13: certainly it gives exactly and it gives. It gives favorable
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Speaker 13: treatment to fewer than fifteen percent of workers in the
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Speaker 13: private sector, considerably fewer than fifteen percent, and eighty five
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Speaker 13: percent of workers like you and me who have to
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Speaker 13: go and you know, prove we're worth it before we
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Speaker 13: get a pay, pay rise or better conditions. You know,
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Speaker 13: we have to get. We have played by one rule,
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Speaker 13: they play by the other. So the idea this is
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Speaker 13: in any way fair is just completely wrong.
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Speaker 4: James Ashby.
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Speaker 2: Not surprisingly, this issue hasn't got much media attraction, but
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Speaker 2: it was reported in the Guardian. An employee connected to
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Speaker 2: a subcontractor used by the Australian Electoral Commission has become
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Speaker 2: a whistleblower claiming that there was fabrication of data in
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Speaker 2: surveys regarding regional Indigenous communities during the Voice referendum.
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Speaker 4: Now what do you make of this, Well.
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Speaker 11: This has been the problem since the start.
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Speaker 10: You know, it was the Aboriginal elites from Canbra that
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Speaker 10: created this so called Voice to Parliament. They flew a
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Speaker 10: whole bunch of Indigenous people into ezrak or U Laru,
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Speaker 10: whatever way you want to say it, created the backdrop
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Speaker 10: and had them sign it. Well, we know very well
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Speaker 10: the elders at Ularu had said this is Patty Ularu's
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Speaker 10: grandkids themselves called the Voice to Parliament a stinking rag
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Speaker 10: because it didn't reflect the views of real Indigenous people
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Speaker 10: in those communities that probably need the most amount of
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Speaker 10: help in this country.
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Speaker 11: And so not only did.
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Speaker 10: They falsify the views of Indigenous people in this country,
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Speaker 10: making out that those in remote locations all support this.
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Speaker 10: But this goes to the heart of every bit of
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Speaker 10: legislation we've created for indigenous people in this country. It's
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Speaker 10: been created out of Canberra by the elites and doesn't
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Speaker 10: represent the people of dumagy wore A Binda anywhere in
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Speaker 10: the Cape North Queensland, Far North Queensland or anywhere. So
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Speaker 10: what we've created here is a system that just feeds
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Speaker 10: the elite and those white opportunists who never ever allow
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Speaker 10: the crux of this money to end up where it
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Speaker 10: deserves to go. So it doesn't surprise me in the
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Speaker 10: least part that the fabricated results prior to the Voice.
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Speaker 11: Were exactly that just made up figures.
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Speaker 4: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Nick I was at the summit in Benigo, the Bush
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Speaker 2: summ had put on by the Herald son the Victorian Premier.
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Speaker 2: She was there, to her credit. She spoke to the crowd.
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Speaker 2: By god, they were angry. There'd been a protest on
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Speaker 2: Friday about farmers upset about the role out of renewables.
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Speaker 2: She wouldn't even front them, would not speak to them.
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Speaker 2: A number of them turned up today. They spoke out
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Speaker 2: in the audience. I played a little bit of that before.
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Speaker 2: I think Labour's really underestimating the anger. I stayed around
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Speaker 2: and talked to a lot of them. Labour's underestimating the
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Speaker 2: anger in res Australia. Its not just in Victorias, across
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Speaker 2: the board when it comes to the rollouts of.
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Speaker 13: Renewables, absolutely and it betrays a government that doesn't actually
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Speaker 13: get out much because if you did, if you went
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Speaker 13: anywhere up and down the Great Dividing Range or into Tasmania,
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Speaker 13: right the way from Tasmania to Cape York, there are
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Speaker 13: hundreds of communities that are being torn apart by these
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Speaker 13: dreadful proposals that are going to wreck the landscape and
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Speaker 13: wreck the communities. And there is real red hot anger,
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Speaker 13: as you know, Peter, You've.
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Speaker 14: Been in those areas.
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Speaker 13: And only today I had another three emails from people
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Speaker 13: in different parts of the country comparing about various schemes.
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Speaker 13: This is a huge issue in the forthcoming election and
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Speaker 13: it will certainly cement support for the curlition in the
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Speaker 13: Bush without a doubt, and it may have a knock
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Speaker 13: on effect as you know, in some seats around the
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Speaker 13: Hunter Valley.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, Labor sat on the fence and
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Speaker 2: allowed Peter Dunt't to be called a racist because he
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Speaker 2: and a tighter security checks on the Palestinian visas. The government, though,
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Speaker 2: is now conceding that some fleeing Gaza may well be
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Speaker 2: hummassd sympathizers. Here's bill shortened on the ABC over the weekend.
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Speaker 5: If you lived in Gaza and you had to do
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Speaker 5: a survey when you might depend on your food, and
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Speaker 5: the government does a survey, and so do you support Hamas.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what you'd say, David, but you'd probably
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Speaker 5: way up the interests of your family.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So that's an admission that they will tolerate sympathizers, whereas
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Speaker 2: before anyone who was a sympathizer with al Qaeda, we've
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Speaker 2: booted him out of the country. Same if there were
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Speaker 2: a sympathizer with the Islamic State. Have a look at
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Speaker 2: what happened over the weekend James Ashby, a Syrian refugee,
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Speaker 2: confessing to a mass knife attack at a street festival
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Speaker 2: in Germany. Three dead, eight injured. And that in France
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Speaker 2: we've got an Algerian man caught on CCTV with a
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Speaker 2: Palestinian flag tied around his waist, a cue us of
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Speaker 2: setting fire to a synagogue, and yet our Prime Minister says,
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Speaker 2: if you sympathize with Hamas, it can still come here.
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Speaker 10: I've got no doubt Bill Shorten's washing his mouth out
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Speaker 10: with so just the fact he had to run those
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Speaker 10: left lines from the Labor Party. I'm disgraced at the
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Speaker 10: idea that he thinks that this is acceptable. But when
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Speaker 10: are we going to learn as Australia we are seeing
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Speaker 10: the results of mass migration from these countries that are
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Speaker 10: incompatible with Western society. I just don't know when this
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Speaker 10: is going to end. The simple fact is they've brought
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Speaker 10: these people in on subcategory six hundred visas. They're visitor visas.
21:40
Speaker 10: They're only good for twelve months, Peter. And the reality
21:43
Speaker 10: of it is the Labor Party are just trying to
21:46
Speaker 10: get these people across the line past the next election
21:50
Speaker 10: and they will be given permanent residency in this country.
21:53
Speaker 10: It's all a facade. Labor are lying to us, They
21:58
Speaker 10: lie to themselves and they lie to us. Importantly, just
22:01
Speaker 10: be honest with the Australian people. If you want to
22:02
Speaker 10: bring these people in, bring them in, but be honest,
22:05
Speaker 10: how are you doing it? Because you intend to keep
22:08
Speaker 10: them here permanently. No one's in favor of it, at
22:10
Speaker 10: least of all one nation people. Peter Duart, and I
22:12
Speaker 10: take my hat off to him for having the guts
22:14
Speaker 10: the gonads to do this. I hope he continues to
22:16
Speaker 10: go strong on this. Nobody in this country wants to
22:19
Speaker 10: see three thousand because it just takes half a percent
22:22
Speaker 10: to come in here with the wrong intentions that will
22:25
Speaker 10: create devastating impacts. We saw eighty eight Australians lose their
22:29
Speaker 10: lives in Bali, the people who don't see id II
22:32
Speaker 10: with Western values let alone, what could happen in this country,
22:35
Speaker 10: whether it be a music festival or a Westfield shopping
22:37
Speaker 10: center or any other place.
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Speaker 11: We've got to think seriously about this.
22:41
Speaker 10: Stop bringing in the people that are non compatible with Australia.
22:45
Speaker 11: It's just got to stop, powerfully.
22:49
Speaker 2: Said James Ashbi. Thank you, Nikata, see you both next week.
22:53
Speaker 2: Well that's got energy. Major players today have warned that
22:56
Speaker 2: the nation's East Coast energy markets facing a crisis thanks
22:59
Speaker 2: to Lumi perfect storm. It's about higher global gas prices,
23:04
Speaker 2: volatile and intermittent renewables, coal fired power plant outages, and
23:10
Speaker 2: I don't like the term extreme weather they use it.
23:12
Speaker 4: I just call it the weather we've always had, stoking increased.
23:15
Speaker 2: Fears of gas shortages, spiking power bills and rolling blackouts.
23:20
Speaker 2: Now businesses they're warning they are at breaking point with
23:23
Speaker 2: globally uncompetitive energy prices threatening the viability of companies here
23:28
Speaker 2: in Australia. I'm joined out by The Australian's Environment editor
23:31
Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd. Well, we've sort of dodged a bullet with
23:36
Speaker 2: coal over winter because we had gas to fill the
23:39
Speaker 2: void and there was a big void left by renewables.
23:42
Speaker 2: There were many days, as you know, Graham, where we
23:44
Speaker 2: had zero wind. But how long do we go on
23:48
Speaker 2: here before something gives This talk of businesses shutting up
23:52
Speaker 2: shop and going overseas where it's more competitive to pay
23:55
Speaker 2: for their power. That is real, isn't it.
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Speaker 15: And it's a situation that's been building for a long time, Peter,
24:05
Speaker 15: And we're getting consistent warnings that there's a shortage of
24:09
Speaker 15: gas and we seem to be limping along.
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Speaker 14: You're right.
24:12
Speaker 15: There was a wind drought, if you like, over the winter,
24:16
Speaker 15: which drained the gas supplies and there were great fears
24:19
Speaker 15: that there wouldn't be enough to carry through that crisis
24:22
Speaker 15: looks like it's been averted, but it's not a long
24:25
Speaker 15: term solution. I think the danger really in the report
24:29
Speaker 15: that you're citing there that was in the Australian was
24:32
Speaker 15: the forward expectations for gas prices. They're saying that there's
24:37
Speaker 15: a tight supply situation on global market, so the price
24:41
Speaker 15: is going up and it's forecast at about nineteen dollars
24:45
Speaker 15: a gigo jewel in the first half of next year,
24:48
Speaker 15: which is up from twelve dollars, which was an extraordinary
24:53
Speaker 15: price when that was being paid, and well above the
24:57
Speaker 15: historic averages for gas for manufacture. So it's it's sure
25:02
Speaker 15: that we are seeing manufacturers who rely on heat that
25:07
Speaker 15: they get from gas. They're reconsidering their capacity to operate here.
25:11
Speaker 15: And if you look at what's happening with gas price
25:14
Speaker 15: in places like the United States, that's where everybody's heading.
25:20
Speaker 2: Hey, what about this story today that Laby's been fudging
25:22
Speaker 2: the figures. When it comes to the takeup of apprentices
25:25
Speaker 2: apprenticeships in the renewables workforce, they had a really meager
25:30
Speaker 2: initial uptake of this ten thousand dollars offer for apprentices.
25:35
Speaker 2: They quietly behind the back door, you expanded the scheme.
25:39
Speaker 2: They made the uptake look more impressive. But we find
25:42
Speaker 2: out that someone doing a Certificate three in pork production
25:46
Speaker 2: can now get this cash that's supposed to be for
25:50
Speaker 2: renewable workers.
25:51
Speaker 4: Now this is a fudge, isn't it.
25:56
Speaker 15: Well, it is a fudge, and the greatest fudge has
25:58
Speaker 15: been the number of jobs that will be created in
26:02
Speaker 15: the renewable energy space and the hopes that they will
26:06
Speaker 15: more than offset those that are lost in the existing economy.
26:09
Speaker 15: The other thing to note here is that there seems
26:12
Speaker 15: to be a desperation to subsidize wages across the board.
26:18
Speaker 15: The government seems to be involved in topping up the
26:20
Speaker 15: pay packet of people right across the spectrum now, and
26:24
Speaker 15: as you point out, it extends to people working in
26:28
Speaker 15: sort of pig butcheries. If they have a lesson on
26:31
Speaker 15: the solar panels that are on the roof, it's quite extraordinary.
26:36
Speaker 2: So they can stand up in the election campaign that's
26:38
Speaker 2: coming and say that they've made x or y increases
26:42
Speaker 2: in green jobs. Gram this is all it is about.
26:45
Speaker 2: It's an absolute fudge. The revelations today too, this will
26:49
Speaker 2: make people really angry. These big energy companies that are
26:52
Speaker 2: earning these super profits now because we're paying through the
26:54
Speaker 2: nose in our bills. They're out paying their CEOs in
26:57
Speaker 2: some cases one million dollars more. That's not their total salary,
27:03
Speaker 2: just an extra one million dollar, the head of Origin,
27:06
Speaker 2: the Head of Energy Australia AGL, all of them put
27:09
Speaker 2: their money on the table. They've all made just under
27:12
Speaker 2: eleven million dollars while energy prices have increased by at
27:17
Speaker 2: least twenty percent. Now these people getting those salaries doesn't
27:22
Speaker 2: pass the pub test.
27:25
Speaker 15: Well, here's the dirty little secret, isn't it That as
27:28
Speaker 15: the market becomes more chaotic and supplies of electricity and
27:34
Speaker 15: energy get more tight, these companies make more money, and
27:38
Speaker 15: as they make more money, they pay their executives more.
27:41
Speaker 15: And part of that is to take the heed and
27:44
Speaker 15: the political blowback that comes. But they're doing very nicely,
27:48
Speaker 15: thank you very much, from the fact that the market
27:51
Speaker 15: is in chaos and power bills are going.
27:53
Speaker 2: Up wor old taxpayers are paying subsidies, and how pensioners
27:58
Speaker 2: can't even put the heater on when it's called Graham,
28:01
Speaker 2: thank you as always, all right, after break that landmark
28:04
Speaker 2: ruling on Friday that's got widespread ramifications for women's only spaces,
28:09
Speaker 2: not to mention the definition of a woman plus a
28:12
Speaker 2: bit later on we'll get into the federal implications that
28:15
Speaker 2: are the colp's win on the weekend, what it might
28:17
Speaker 2: mean for labor hanging on to power in Canberra. What
28:20
Speaker 2: are the lessons too for Peter Dutton still become the
28:28
Speaker 2: president of the Country Liberal Party that's in Darwin, but
28:30
Speaker 2: he's also the former Federal Liberal Party president Shane Stone.
28:35
Speaker 2: He'll give us the drum on the Northern Territory election
28:37
Speaker 2: and what it means for the Prime Minister in Peter Dadden.
28:40
Speaker 4: But first there's a case.
28:41
Speaker 2: You know that we've stayed across here on credline from
28:43
Speaker 2: the outset, and I know many of you would have
28:45
Speaker 2: been disheartened with the result on Friday when the Federal
28:47
Speaker 2: Court found in favor a transgender woman, Roxanne Tickle, who
28:51
Speaker 2: successfully sued Giggle for Girls and its owner, Cell Grover
28:55
Speaker 2: for discrimination. The decisions likely now to have huge ramification
29:00
Speaker 2: for how we understand sex in this country, with the
29:03
Speaker 2: judge in this case, Justice Robert Bromage actually saying that
29:08
Speaker 2: sex is changeable and non binary, saying that the concept
29:12
Speaker 2: of sex is broadened over thirty years since the Sex
29:15
Speaker 2: Discrimination Act. Joining me for some legal common sense legal
29:19
Speaker 2: affairs contributed at The Australian Chris merit Well, Chris, if
29:24
Speaker 2: I had expletive after expletive on Friday, what's been your
29:28
Speaker 2: reaction to the judgment?
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Speaker 16: Much the same? It's forget about how we feel about this.
29:36
Speaker 16: It's starting to look as though this decision might be
29:39
Speaker 16: wrong in law.
29:41
Speaker 14: It hangs on a very.
29:45
Speaker 16: Modest interpretation of a crucial defense in the Sex Discrimination Act,
29:50
Speaker 16: which seems to have been read down almost to oblivion
29:54
Speaker 16: by Justice Bromich. That's problem number one.
29:58
Speaker 12: Problem number two.
29:59
Speaker 16: Is this all hangs on changes to the Sex Discrimination
30:04
Speaker 16: Act that were made in twenty thirteen by the then Labor government,
30:10
Speaker 16: and it forms a stark contrast. This case forms a
30:14
Speaker 16: stark contrast with a case very similar, which was handed
30:19
Speaker 16: down in twenty eleven, just before there's amendments were introduced.
30:25
Speaker 16: That twenty eleven case went exactly the opposite direction. It
30:29
Speaker 16: was about an all female gym class that excluded legitimately
30:36
Speaker 16: a man who wanted to join it, and the Federal
30:38
Speaker 16: Court upheld that. Then we have twenty thirteen amendments which
30:43
Speaker 16: introduced gender identity as a head of discrimination. Can't discriminate
30:50
Speaker 16: against people on the basis of their gender identity, and
30:54
Speaker 16: this case, the Giggle and Tickle case, is the first
30:57
Speaker 16: substantive decision we've had since that ruling in twenty thirteen.
31:04
Speaker 16: Now it will go on appel, either to the full
31:08
Speaker 16: Federal Court or the High Court, depending on whether it's
31:13
Speaker 16: a factual dispute or a dispute on the law. But
31:18
Speaker 16: it strikes me that if the law has been interpreted
31:22
Speaker 16: by Justice Bromwich in the way that it has, there's
31:26
Speaker 16: a clear case for statutory intervention.
31:29
Speaker 11: I went back and had to look at.
31:30
Speaker 16: The second reading speech that mister Drayfuss introduced, and I
31:37
Speaker 16: couldn't see any reference there to an intention to treat
31:43
Speaker 16: transsexual people men who identify as women as women. I
31:51
Speaker 16: would have imagined that if that was the intention of
31:54
Speaker 16: the amendments, it would have been spelled out quite clearly,
31:58
Speaker 16: and I saw no mention of it. Of the opinion
32:02
Speaker 16: that this case has been applied in a way that
32:06
Speaker 16: has not been intended by Parliament. If it's not overturned
32:11
Speaker 16: on appeal, or even if it is overturned on appeal,
32:14
Speaker 16: I think there's a strong case for Parliament to go
32:17
Speaker 16: back and clarify the law so that there can't be
32:21
Speaker 16: a repeat of this.
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Speaker 2: I think you've been in transgender when you said transsexual,
32:26
Speaker 2: because there are two different things. But I remember the
32:29
Speaker 2: debate very well. At the time, I was working for
32:31
Speaker 2: the then oposition leader and there was plenty of Chambers
32:36
Speaker 2: speeches about in this amendment continuing to protect the rights
32:42
Speaker 2: of women to single sex spaces. I couldn't find the
32:45
Speaker 2: explanatory memorandum. We know that that's also helpful in interpreting
32:49
Speaker 2: where label was headed with this legislation. I will look
32:52
Speaker 2: for that today or tomorrow and come back again on
32:55
Speaker 2: this program and explain that. But I'm of the mind
32:58
Speaker 2: with you. Even if sal Grover was to win on appeal,
33:03
Speaker 2: this must be something that if elected, the Coalition says
33:06
Speaker 2: it's going to amend and make it absolutely crystal clear
33:10
Speaker 2: what the rights are for women at law, women and girls,
33:14
Speaker 2: protect our spaces and not leave it to the vagaries
33:17
Speaker 2: of cases like this in judges who obviously we're asleep
33:21
Speaker 2: in a science class but can't understand xx chromosomes versus
33:25
Speaker 2: x y chromosomes. Hey, why I've got you I'll want
33:28
Speaker 2: your legal brain here because I can't fathom this decision
33:31
Speaker 2: last week in the Senate where they voted against emotion
33:35
Speaker 2: that would have applied a national rule for babies born
33:38
Speaker 2: alive after a late term abortion. We know that in
33:41
Speaker 2: South Australia and New South Wales those children, because they're
33:45
Speaker 2: separated from the mother in this case, that they're not
33:47
Speaker 2: in the womb anymore, have the same rights that you
33:50
Speaker 2: and I have, but not in Victoria and not in Queensland. Now,
33:54
Speaker 2: I thought once the child was no longer in the womb,
33:59
Speaker 2: they had the human rights we all have.
34:01
Speaker 4: Otherwise it's in fanta side. What am I missing?
34:05
Speaker 16: Nothing? I agree with you entirely. The thing that strikes
34:10
Speaker 16: me is that unless there's clear legal guidelines on what
34:15
Speaker 16: to do in these horrific circumstances, it leaves medical staff,
34:21
Speaker 16: nurses and doctors in a terribly vulnerable position. They've got
34:26
Speaker 16: no guidance, no support, no framework on what they can
34:31
Speaker 16: and cannot do. So there's a potential for them if
34:36
Speaker 16: they whatever they do, to incur liability, either civil liability
34:41
Speaker 16: or criminal liability. So it's a sort of thing that
34:44
Speaker 16: Parliament should be involved in, but it's also this sort
34:47
Speaker 16: of thing that I would have imagined that the human
34:51
Speaker 16: rights commissions and human rights law centers that we have
34:54
Speaker 16: plenty of these should also be taking an interest in this.
34:58
Speaker 16: The fundamental right of medical treatment of there's children born
35:06
Speaker 16: alive after a failed termination should be addressed.
35:14
Speaker 2: They are human beings, Chris, the moment they're separated from
35:17
Speaker 2: the mother. There's no other way you can cut it.
35:19
Speaker 2: And I agree with you about nationally consistent laws. Thank
35:21
Speaker 2: you for your time. All right, after break, we're going
35:24
Speaker 2: to get into the aviation white paper. Does it go
35:26
Speaker 2: far enough? I suspect you won't be happy with it.
35:29
Speaker 2: I think the government's scribbed it and a whole lot more.
35:38
Speaker 2: President of the Country Liberal Party, former Liberal Party of
35:40
Speaker 2: Federal President Shane Stone will join me in our moment.
35:43
Speaker 2: But my panel first, let's get into a whole range
35:46
Speaker 2: of issues. Let's bring the mid if we can, Spectator
35:49
Speaker 2: columnist Terry Barnes l and p MP Queenslander Keith pitt Well.
35:53
Speaker 4: Gents welcome. I want to start with this white paper.
35:56
Speaker 2: Some of the reforms we're supposed to say are coming,
36:00
Speaker 2: a new independent aviation ombudsman, a charter of customer rights,
36:04
Speaker 2: this is a way to deal with all the delays
36:06
Speaker 2: and cancelations we cop the National Party senator, though the
36:10
Speaker 2: Shadow Minister in this area slam the government following the announcement.
36:14
Speaker 4: Have a listen.
36:16
Speaker 9: Fifty six recommendations that do nothing to make sure planes
36:21
Speaker 9: run on time, do nothing to deal with the spiraling
36:24
Speaker 9: cost of a ticket, and do nothing to address the
36:28
Speaker 9: lack of competition in our domestic aviation sector. All that
36:32
Speaker 9: she's saying is needed is a complaints box for Australian
36:36
Speaker 9: travelers based out.
36:38
Speaker 4: Of Canberra Terry.
36:41
Speaker 2: They could have gone down the path and what the
36:42
Speaker 2: EU does, and it's a much tougher skin. You get
36:45
Speaker 2: money in your pocket. The airline is forced to compensate
36:49
Speaker 2: you in cash.
36:51
Speaker 4: Instead they've done.
36:52
Speaker 2: What they do in the US, which is a bit
36:54
Speaker 2: of a wet Letters What did you make of it?
36:56
Speaker 17: Letters is putting it mildly, I think, Peter, are you
36:58
Speaker 17: absolutely the EU, for all its forts, actually knows how
37:02
Speaker 17: to deal with airlines that don't perform. Here we have
37:06
Speaker 17: white paper basically recommending well some pun and games with
37:09
Speaker 17: landing slots to encourage a.
37:11
Speaker 14: Well better compliance.
37:12
Speaker 17: But an ombardsman and the charter of customer writes, what
37:16
Speaker 17: as good is that going to do? I mean, basically
37:19
Speaker 17: Quantus and virgin essentially, especially Quantus call the shots in
37:22
Speaker 17: the industry. That is not changing. Catherine King, the Minister
37:25
Speaker 17: has made that clear that she's not going to rock
37:27
Speaker 17: the boat. So why bother with this white paper in
37:29
Speaker 17: the first place.
37:31
Speaker 2: Let's go to Queensleay and one of your colleagues up there.
37:33
Speaker 2: Senator Jured Rennick, he's quit the L ANDP O of
37:36
Speaker 2: the Weekend. He says he's going to set up his
37:38
Speaker 2: own party called the Jurid Rennick People First. Party hasn't
37:42
Speaker 2: made a great success with Jackie Lamby. Most of these
37:44
Speaker 2: parties implode. He lost the spot on the Senate ticket,
37:48
Speaker 2: which is why he's about the dummy. I suspect, Keith,
37:50
Speaker 2: But are you nervous about this? Is it going to
37:53
Speaker 2: make much of a difference, Keith Pitt, No, we haven't
38:04
Speaker 2: got you.
38:06
Speaker 4: What do you think about that? Terry?
38:08
Speaker 17: Well, look, I think, oh, good luck to Senator Renick.
38:12
Speaker 17: He's going to go out and put people first, Jared
38:15
Speaker 17: Rennick first, and then people second. But look, I think
38:19
Speaker 17: minor parties don't succeed these days. It's going to be
38:22
Speaker 17: hard poor for him. It's going to be hard at
38:25
Speaker 17: Jackie Lamby, I think to be re elected in Tasmania,
38:27
Speaker 17: let alone get other candidates up in other states. And
38:29
Speaker 17: look what's happening in Tasmania with the Jackie Lamby network anyway,
38:33
Speaker 17: it's imploding. So look, Senator Rennick is entitled to have
38:37
Speaker 17: a crack at getting re elected. He lost pre selection
38:39
Speaker 17: from the L and P. That's the way it goes.
38:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, looking for.
38:44
Speaker 2: I think hard and quite properly for people in relation
38:47
Speaker 2: to vaccine mandates Keith, but I can't forgive him when
38:50
Speaker 2: he spat the dummy and withheld his vote from the
38:53
Speaker 2: coalition and we lost that legislation by one vote in
38:57
Speaker 2: relation to forcing people to show when they vote, which
39:01
Speaker 2: has been something I've been campaigning for for years.
39:07
Speaker 11: Peter, as you know, welcome to the Senate.
39:09
Speaker 14: We get a mix of all sorts.
39:11
Speaker 18: Of individuals over there, and Jared's entitled to run, as
39:15
Speaker 18: is any Australian.
39:16
Speaker 11: But there is something else he could have done it.
39:18
Speaker 14: He could have simply.
39:19
Speaker 18: Taken a six months redundancy and decided not to be involved.
39:22
Speaker 18: But he's made a different decision as he's able to
39:25
Speaker 18: as the L and p has made a decision on
39:28
Speaker 18: who they put forward on the ticket.
39:30
Speaker 11: It's always a close contest.
39:32
Speaker 18: I think Jared's made a significant contribution, and yes, I
39:35
Speaker 18: agree with that. I would have much preferred that he
39:37
Speaker 18: didn't do what he did at that time. It did
39:39
Speaker 18: make life quite quite difficult, but welcome to democracy.
39:43
Speaker 11: People with their own views and their own thoughts.
39:47
Speaker 2: Now we saw crime play out, youth crime in particular
39:50
Speaker 2: in Darwin in the tally room on Saturday night. The
39:54
Speaker 2: National Children's Commissioner is begging schools to do more to
39:57
Speaker 2: assist struggling students, warning that low literacy is fueling youth crime.
40:01
Speaker 2: Commissioner and Hollins told The Australian the children in youth
40:05
Speaker 2: attention now have extremely low literacy because they know shit.
40:10
Speaker 4: Sherlock.
40:11
Speaker 2: I mean for decades we've been teaching kids about indoctrination,
40:15
Speaker 2: We've not been teaching them the basics. I mean, Terry,
40:18
Speaker 2: this is a case of report your sow.
40:21
Speaker 14: Oh absolutely, Peter.
40:22
Speaker 4: I think.
40:24
Speaker 17: When you go into the youth justice system and I
40:26
Speaker 17: was achieve a start to be used justice minister in
40:28
Speaker 17: Victoria for a bit. Yeah, the kids there are dead
40:32
Speaker 17: end kids because they haven't had the chances. They haven't
40:35
Speaker 17: had the opportunities to learn. They haven't had the opportunities
40:37
Speaker 17: to learn, especially to read and write and be functional
40:39
Speaker 17: citizens in our community and effectively government. Successive governments for
40:45
Speaker 17: decades now have been focusing on indoctrinating our kids in
40:49
Speaker 17: terms of woke values, in terms of whatever the zeitgeist is,
40:53
Speaker 17: in terms of what we should be thinking. But they're
40:55
Speaker 17: not actually teaching kids to read, write and do arithmetic,
40:58
Speaker 17: and I think we are reaping the whirlwind. The Commissioner
41:01
Speaker 17: is absolutely right.
41:03
Speaker 2: Queensland leader of their L and P leader David Christoph
41:05
Speaker 2: Foole is vowed he's going to get rid of compulsory
41:08
Speaker 2: preferential voting if he wins in October.
41:11
Speaker 4: Keith, what do this mean?
41:15
Speaker 18: Well, we all know what one vote, one value was
41:17
Speaker 18: peterable that this will be one vote with your values.
41:20
Speaker 18: You won't have to vote for the Greens, you won't
41:22
Speaker 18: have to vote for the Social Alliance, you won't have
41:24
Speaker 18: to put a mark next to the Communist or the
41:27
Speaker 18: Animal Justice Party or anyone you dislike. You can just
41:30
Speaker 18: vote for the part that you want to form government
41:32
Speaker 18: and not have a transfer somewhere else in any circumstance,
41:35
Speaker 18: and David Chris Apoeley has made a commitment on this.
41:38
Speaker 18: I think it's the right decision. We know Labor only
41:41
Speaker 18: changed it because it gave them a political deal, a
41:43
Speaker 18: political outcome, a preference that work for them, and I'm
41:47
Speaker 18: very pleased that he's done it.
41:48
Speaker 14: I'm a bit worried about the at.
41:50
Speaker 18: A federal level, as you know, Peter, it can cause
41:52
Speaker 18: some confusion.
41:55
Speaker 4: What about this federally, Terry?
41:58
Speaker 17: Oh, look, I think Keith is right. But in Queensland
42:03
Speaker 17: is a different case though, because the l and P
42:05
Speaker 17: is now a United Party, so the party's on the right. Yeah,
42:08
Speaker 17: you just don't when you're talking about liberals and the
42:12
Speaker 17: Nationals generally, it's another issue altogether, but it's in Queensland. Yes,
42:17
Speaker 17: making sure a vote for the l and P or
42:19
Speaker 17: a voat for Labor is not a voat for the
42:20
Speaker 17: Greens or any other broot loops, so I think is
42:22
Speaker 17: a very good thing one.
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Speaker 4: David Chris cooolly for doing it, all right, gentlemen, I'll
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Speaker 4: loave it there.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for after the break when I
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Speaker 2: talked to Shane Stone about the big win on the
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Speaker 2: weekend of what it might mean for the federal election.
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Speaker 2: I suspect you probably watched it like me on Saturday night,
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Speaker 2: that decisive victory for the Country Liberal Party in the
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. Leo f Nickuiaro is said to become the
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Speaker 2: Chief Minister, while the Labor leader Eva Lawler not only
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Speaker 2: lost the election but also her seat. Labour's been reduced
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Speaker 2: from fourteen seats to just four or five. It's a
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Speaker 2: bit up in the air. Two are in doubt. Join
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Speaker 2: meen how to discuss what this means, not just for
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Speaker 2: the territory but federally COLP president, former NT Chief Minister
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Speaker 2: and of course the former federal president of the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: Shane Stone. I'll tell you what, Shane, this was a
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Speaker 2: bigger win than most experts had predicted. Give us a
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Speaker 2: sense to the issues on the ground that motivated people
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Speaker 2: to throw out Labor so comprehensively as they did.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: The primary overriding issue was crime, and that had been
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Speaker 1: the case for quite some time, and Labor had had
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to do something to at least be seen
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Speaker 1: to addressing the issue, but they just fell flat at
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Speaker 1: every turn. And of course, the other overriding issue, and
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Speaker 1: this is the one that intrudes into the federal arena
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Speaker 1: is the cost of living. So when we first started
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Speaker 1: our research, we determined that cried the big ticket issue,
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Speaker 1: but cost of living in fact tripled over a four
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Speaker 1: to five month period.
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Speaker 14: It just kept growing.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, people are doing it rough and tough
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Speaker 1: out there, and I know it just rolls off the tongue,
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Speaker 1: but there are people going without meals. There are people
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Speaker 1: who have to turn off their power so they don't
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Speaker 1: use their conditioner or the heater, and I never thought
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Speaker 1: i'd see that in Australia, and that's coming the Albanzy government.
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Speaker 14: Way in the time ahead.
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Speaker 2: Did you pick up sigmas of the community or particular
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Speaker 2: areas that you didn't think you would?
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Speaker 1: Northern Suburbs is always a target area and most of
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Speaker 1: it is sort of fairly middle class, and I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have broken it up as such. The demographics are all
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Speaker 1: fairly similar, but they all had this one burning issue
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Speaker 1: around not being safe either in their homes in their
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Speaker 1: workplaces when they went to a shopping center or supermarket.
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Speaker 1: And then on top of that was compounding the issue
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Speaker 1: of cost of living and particularly power prices in the
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Speaker 1: territory are quite high. It really hurts, and people are
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Speaker 1: not persuaded that government giveaways and freebies and this is
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Speaker 1: not solving the issues that are systemic to a cost
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Speaker 1: of living crisis. And we're in it. We're right there now.
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Speaker 1: And what's going to compound this is if we do
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Speaker 1: encounter that gas shortage in the months ahead or next year,
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Speaker 1: then people's lives are going to be turned upside down.
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Speaker 2: I've met her and I think she's a pocket rocket.
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Speaker 2: Most Australians won't even know much about Leah Fidickuiaro and
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Speaker 2: who is she?
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Speaker 4: Tell us who she is?
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Speaker 1: Well, she's a third generation Territorium and she's a former
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Speaker 1: leal practitioner and her family are very well established in
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Speaker 1: the territory. I mean she exudes this great love and
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Speaker 1: passion for the territory because she's lived it. And her
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Speaker 1: catch cry was, I want to get the old territory back.
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Speaker 1: I want to restore what I enjoyed as a child
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Speaker 1: growing up in the territory. I want my children to
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Speaker 1: enjoy the territory that she grew up in. And she's
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Speaker 1: absolutely passionate about it. I mean, she's a lady of
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Speaker 1: great capacity and I have every confidence that she'll do
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Speaker 1: a first class job.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I love to see on Sunday morning she drags in
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Speaker 2: the police and all the heavies and says to her officials,
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Speaker 2: I'm now in charge government change last night. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to do it my way and crime is my number
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Speaker 2: one priority. I mean, that is absolutely what people are
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Speaker 2: voting for. They want real change, practical stuff with politicians.
47:08
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has already said this is all about
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Speaker 2: local issues, nothing to do with the Labor Party brand.
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Speaker 2: More broadly, take your NT hats off for a moment.
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Speaker 2: You were once the federal president of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: What do you see other lessons for our politicians in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Well, I say to all politicians who simply dismiss territory
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Speaker 1: or state election results as having no impact federally, that
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Speaker 1: is not true. They won't be a one hundred percent impact,
47:38
Speaker 1: but there will be an impact. And Bill Shorten conceded
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Speaker 1: this on insiders on the weekend when he said there's
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Speaker 1: always a flow on effect and in this case is
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Speaker 1: the cost of living and it's going to be compounded
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Speaker 1: by power shortages and the impact that's going to have
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Speaker 1: on people. So it would be very brave of the
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Speaker 1: prime ministers say, oh, to see here nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with us. It has everything to do with you, and
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Speaker 1: people are looking to you for leadership to address these
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Speaker 1: pressing costs of living issues, and it would be fatal
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Speaker 1: for him to pretend that's.
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Speaker 14: Not the case.
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Speaker 2: You can read a pole better than anyone. You look
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Speaker 2: at the poles over the last six months, even eight months,
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Speaker 2: have settled into trend. Now I have not seen a
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Speaker 2: poll that delivers Labor government in a majority. They're all
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Speaker 2: minority government. If that, they're starting to actually go against
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Speaker 2: him and have Peter duttony in front. Do you think
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Speaker 2: the government is interminal decline here? Do you think that
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Speaker 2: Dunton could actually win? I know some say he can't,
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Speaker 2: say that the seats are not there.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, they said we couldn't win
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Speaker 1: up here, and did we prove them wrong? Look, the
48:54
Speaker 1: reality is that and if I was being brutally honest
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Speaker 1: and was asked to, I think Peter Dutton could actually
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Speaker 1: get there in eight months time. Back at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the year, I would have had some doubt about
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Speaker 1: that happening. But what Peter Dutton has done is managed
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Speaker 1: to hold his team together they are united and he's
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Speaker 1: cutting through.
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Speaker 14: And for those who said that the whole nuclear.
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Speaker 1: Proposal was a nonsense and not something WO people would entertain,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you what. When you're staring down the
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Speaker 1: barrel of not having sufficient gas to run your power
49:31
Speaker 1: stations and you're looking for alternative source other than a
49:36
Speaker 1: failed wind or other renewable sources, then you're going to
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Speaker 1: start thinking very seriously about Peter Dutton as the next
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Speaker 1: Prime minister of this country. I think he's performing well
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Speaker 1: and he's stepping up to people's expectations.
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Speaker 14: So I think it's going on.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think any government Australia now and we've
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Speaker 1: proved it here just now can take anything for granted.
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Speaker 1: People demand performance and at the moment they're not getting
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Speaker 1: performance from the federal government.
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Speaker 2: Shane, I reckon, you're one of the most shrewd people
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Speaker 2: I've ever known in politics. That's a damning result there
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Speaker 2: for the Prime minister. If it eventuates. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: your time. What on the weekend, You're going a terrific campaign.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me.
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Speaker 2: See tomorrow night at six he's Andrew bov