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Credlin | 27 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: We're about to kick off the budget's sittings, the fortnight
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Speaker 3: of estimates and the House, the House of course did
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Speaker 3: six to day comes back tomorrow. It will be a
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Speaker 3: fiery week in Camber.
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Speaker 2: Trust me. He's what's coming up on Kredline.
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Speaker 3: New polling out today that says a minority government is
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Speaker 3: a fifty to fifty.
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Speaker 2: Bet at the next election.
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Speaker 3: Mean, if it eventuates, we're back to the bad old
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Speaker 3: days of Julia Gillard and Bob Brown running the country
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Speaker 3: Borazov v Labor, Sure, but a shocking one for Australia.
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Speaker 3: Pro Palestinian activists remain free to spouse any anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: they might want. But when a Jewish organization tries to
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Speaker 3: host an online discussion blacktivist hijacket of using a former
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Speaker 3: Deputy Prime Minister. I was spect to the organizer shortly
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Speaker 3: for his reaction to the obscene things that were said.
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Speaker 3: And in the UK, well they are deporting pro hamas
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Speaker 3: unice ginents. How about we do the same thing here
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Speaker 3: plus in the UK too, She soon act says, if
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Speaker 3: re elected, all young Brits will have to do either
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Speaker 3: a year of national service or volunteer for a charity.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of merit in this in terms of.
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Speaker 3: The policy, but the politics are diabolical.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that.
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Speaker 3: And also this push by the labor in the UK
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Speaker 3: to give sixteen year olds the vote.
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Speaker 2: Watch out that's on its way here as well.
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Speaker 3: Plus another day of detainee headlines, this time a child
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Speaker 3: rapist given the writers stay in Australia courtesy of Immigration
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Speaker 3: Minister Andrew Giles. He's only allowed to keep doing this
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Speaker 3: sort of damage because the Prime Minister refuses to sack him.
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Speaker 3: Get angry Giles asure, but the real blame now rests
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Speaker 3: with the PM.
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Speaker 4: The rape a step daughter while your partner is giving
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Speaker 4: birth in hospital. What it shows is that ministerial direction
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Speaker 4: is clearly failing. I don't think that you could get
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Speaker 4: a worst example that that ministerial direction is clearly failing.
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Speaker 3: We'll start with that issue, because supporting someone who was
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Speaker 3: convicted of raping a child to stay in Australia, that's
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Speaker 3: the latest outcome of Andrew Giles's disastrous time as Australia's
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Speaker 3: Immigration minister. Now that's on top of Letty, more than
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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty foreign criminals out of detention into
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Speaker 3: the community, even though the High Court said only one
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Speaker 3: needed to be released, and even with the laws passed
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Speaker 3: last year to lock them all up again, failing to
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Speaker 3: ladge a single application that's for a preventive detention order
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Speaker 3: when he can, that's the litnear failure. Adding the fact
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Speaker 3: that under his now notorious Ministerial Direction number ninety nine,
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Speaker 3: the instrument that Giles put out there, that's now been
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Speaker 3: used by the Administry of Appeals Tribunal to keep another
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Speaker 3: foreign criminal, not the child rapist this time, but someone
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Speaker 3: who allegedly stabs someone to death on Mother's Day.
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Speaker 2: Add all that up and what's crystal clear.
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Speaker 3: Is that under this governor, under this Minister, Peter Dutton's
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Speaker 3: former policy of sending foreign criminals back to their home countries,
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Speaker 3: well that's now completely abandoned. Minister Giles will allow any criminal,
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Speaker 3: it would seem, who can avoid deportation by merely demonstrating
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Speaker 3: a substantial connection to Australia to stay. And that's what's
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Speaker 3: happened in this case where a Kiwi man who was
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Speaker 3: never a citizen of Australia was allowed to stay despite
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Speaker 3: raping his fourteen year old stepdaughter while his partner was
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Speaker 3: in hospital giving birth. He said time in Australia gave
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Speaker 3: him special rights. The tribunal looked at the ministerial direction
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Speaker 3: from Giles. They agreed with the child rapist and now
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Speaker 3: he's been allowed to stay here. Now, this man is
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Speaker 3: not an Australian citizen, but he gets to stay here
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Speaker 3: because of labor. But as well as abandoning Dutton's policy
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Speaker 3: of deporting foreigners who abuse privileges of living here by
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Speaker 3: committing serious crimes, what's also been abandoned is any concept
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Speaker 3: of ministry or responsibility and any concept to a prime
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Speaker 3: ministerial authority. How many mistakes does Giles have to make
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Speaker 3: before he gets sacked? And how often does the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister have to wash his hands of a problem before
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Speaker 3: the public conclude he's not doing his job?
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Speaker 2: How many almanees?
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Speaker 3: He can't sack Andrew Giles because when it comes to
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Speaker 3: border protection weakness, Giles and Albanezia clones of each other,
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Speaker 3: both out of the left faction, both soft on boat turnbacks,
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Speaker 3: both weak on borders. Likewise, the PM can't clearly condemn
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism. He can't clearly be on the side of
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Speaker 3: Israel against must because he's still the student trot, the
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Speaker 3: young MP who was always protesting against Israel. That's why
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Speaker 3: he never reigns in Pennywong either. He knows that a
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Speaker 3: big majority of Australians think that foreign criminals should leave Australia.
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Speaker 3: He knows that most Australians to support Israel, the only
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Speaker 3: democracy in the Middle East, against the terrorist group Hummas.
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Speaker 3: But because he's so out of step with mainstream Australia,
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Speaker 3: its government's effectively paralyzed, with individual ministers running out their
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Speaker 3: own hard left agendas while the PM sits on the
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Speaker 3: fence or at the theater or at the tennis wherever
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Speaker 3: he is anywhere but behind his desk and says it's
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Speaker 3: none of his business.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, this is more like an activist collective than it
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Speaker 3: is a cohesive government settled with the Prime Minister who
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Speaker 3: is weak and out of his depth. And it's going
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Speaker 3: to just get worse before the next election, particularly if
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Speaker 3: Labor is forced into a formal coalition with the Greens.
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Speaker 3: That's what the latest polling reports. I'll do deals on preferences.
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Speaker 3: We know that will happen. I'll get into that polling
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Speaker 3: with Jennis Shannah in a moment. But I worked for
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Speaker 3: the opposition leader during the last hung parliament, the whole
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Speaker 3: fiasco of Gillard and Brown.
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Speaker 2: The last time.
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Speaker 3: Labor sold, it sold to the Greens in order to survive.
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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, it was a shocking time
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Speaker 3: for our country. I have Australians wake up because a
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Speaker 3: vote for Labor this time round is a vote for
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Speaker 3: the Greens. And given all the challenges we have facing
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Speaker 3: this country, an alimn easy banned government.
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Speaker 2: Would be disastrous.
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Speaker 3: Look the problem with announcing worthwhile policy at the beginning
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Speaker 3: of an election campaign, a campaign that you're likely to lose,
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Speaker 3: is it tends to give good ideas a bad name.
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Speaker 3: In the first major new policy announcement of the British
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Speaker 3: election over the weekend, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak committed his
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Speaker 3: government to a form of national service.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's be clear citizenship.
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Speaker 3: As Tony Abbott said today in media, it's a two
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Speaker 3: way street. We can't make demands of government without also
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Speaker 3: being prepared to give back to the country that's given
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Speaker 3: us so much. Expecting every school leaver to do something
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Speaker 3: for others, either doing a year's worth of weekend volunteering
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Speaker 3: in the community or if they make the grade, serving
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Speaker 3: in the military for twelve months. It's a good initiative.
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Speaker 3: The pity is that it hasn't been done for decades.
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Speaker 3: It's more than half a century since young Brits and
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Speaker 3: young Australians for that matter, were asked to do anything
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Speaker 3: specific for their country, such as military service. In that time,
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Speaker 3: there's no doubt we've become softer and more indulgent as
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Speaker 3: societies and the world's become more dangerous too.
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Speaker 2: So some form of national.
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Speaker 3: Service with a range of civilian options, well, that's clearly
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Speaker 3: a step in.
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Speaker 2: The right direction. So better late than never.
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Speaker 3: But if the UK government really believes in this, why
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Speaker 3: has it happened earlier during their fourt to ten year
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Speaker 3: term in office? I mean Brexit aside the Charter School's
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Speaker 3: policy to on a David Cameron, this is a government
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Speaker 3: that's been conservative in name only. It's been obsessive about
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Speaker 3: net zero, it's pannered to trans rights until recently, it's
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Speaker 3: been weak on borders, and it's a run down the
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Speaker 3: armed forces during the pandemic like here in Victoria, in particular,
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Speaker 3: big spending, anti freedom party that reveled in lockdowns and control.
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Speaker 3: So at one minute to midnight the Conservatives now cut
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Speaker 3: come up with a policy to win back the conservative base,
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Speaker 3: the base that's been drifting out to minor parties on
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Speaker 3: the right, like Nigel Faraja's Reform Mob in particular. Now look,
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Speaker 3: I hope it works, that electro necessity forces the SUNA
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Speaker 3: government to commit to more robust policies and that if
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Speaker 3: re elected, it does what a conservative government should, namely,
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Speaker 3: control legal migrations, stop illegal micro reduce wasteful and inefficient government,
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Speaker 3: cut taxes, boost the military, and get out of the
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Speaker 3: lives of citizens. Because if you want to be elected
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Speaker 3: as a conservative, to say the bleeding obvious, it helps
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Speaker 3: to have governed as a conservative. It is important to
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Speaker 3: also point out that the next labor government in Britain,
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Speaker 3: like the labor government we have here, will be the
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Speaker 3: worst in British history. One of its first moves will
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Speaker 3: be to give the vote to sixteen year olds in
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Speaker 3: the hope of entrenching forever a green left majority and
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Speaker 3: just wait for votes for sixteen year olds, to young
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Speaker 3: to drive a car, to young to drink alcohol, Almost
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Speaker 3: too young to be on social media. That's a debate
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Speaker 3: at the moment. You just wait for that to become
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Speaker 3: policy here in Australia. It's already policy for the Greens.
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Speaker 3: In if Anthony albenes he needs to buy the support
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Speaker 3: of the Greens, this is what you'll sell mark my words.
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Speaker 3: All right, they're drifting into cam but it's not all
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Speaker 3: the politicians. I'll kick off tomorrow, I think occasually's there
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Speaker 3: with the headlines, a direction.
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Speaker 6: Issued to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal by Immigration Minister Andrew
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Speaker 6: Giles helped a New Zealander who raped his teenage stepdaughter
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Speaker 6: remain in Australia. The Coalition vowing to acts the so
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Speaker 6: called Direction ninety nine, which helps determine whether a foreigner
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Speaker 6: should keep their visa after committing a crime. The advice,
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Speaker 6: ticked off by Andrew Giles in January last year, makes
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Speaker 6: community links to Australia a key consideration for the Appeals
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Speaker 6: Board when deciding whether to deport someone. Other factors include
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Speaker 6: community safety, whether the offender has a history of family violence,
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Speaker 6: and the safety of miners.
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Speaker 4: What it shows is that ministerial direction is clearly failing.
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Speaker 6: The New Zealander at the center of this case successfully
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Speaker 6: argued his family would be adversely affected if forced to leave,
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Speaker 6: and that he had strong ties to a This.
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Speaker 7: Was overturning a decision of the government. And secondly, the
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Speaker 7: decision that was taken was one that was taken by
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Speaker 7: an independent tribunal.
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Speaker 5: But it's time for the Prime Minister to step up
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Speaker 5: and sack his minister because he's not up to the
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Speaker 5: job and it's the Australian people that are put at
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Speaker 5: risk because of his inconfidence.
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Speaker 6: Anthony Alberezi is set to face pushback from China over
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Speaker 6: plans to restrict the number of foreign students. China's premier
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Speaker 6: is due to visit next month to meet the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Business leaders believe Li Chang will use the visit to
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Speaker 6: ask about the student caps.
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Speaker 7: We'll no doubt have these conversations with China and with that,
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Speaker 7: I mean this is a policy which has been taken.
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Speaker 1: Across the board.
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Speaker 6: International education is Australia's fourth biggest export and China the
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Speaker 6: largest cohort sending students down under. Both sides of politics
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Speaker 6: want to cut down on student numbers.
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Speaker 8: It's about ensuring that students that come from China that
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Speaker 8: come from other parts of Asia and India and all
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Speaker 8: over the world.
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Speaker 6: Housing Labour wants to introduce a soft cap whereby unis
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Speaker 6: could go over the limit if they build more student accommodation.
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Speaker 6: The Coalition, though, thinks limits should just be for major cities.
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Speaker 6: The Deputy Prime Minister has condemned an anti Semitic graffiti
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Speaker 6: attack on a Jewish school after meeting with students. The
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Speaker 6: aftermath of the incident is still being felt as children
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Speaker 6: start the week back at school.
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Speaker 9: There are a number of families who chose not to
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Speaker 9: send their children to school today. This is off the
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Speaker 9: back of the community already feeling quite unsafe, given the
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Speaker 9: anti Israel protests that have been going on and the
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Speaker 9: fear that our families have that they might find their
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Speaker 9: ways to high schools, not just or to Jewish schools,
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Speaker 9: and not just university campuses.
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Speaker 3: Right as we do every Monday, let's bring a national
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Speaker 3: editor for The Australian, Dennis Shanahad.
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Speaker 2: We'll start.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to the detainee issue, because that's significant today, Dennis,
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Speaker 3: but I want to start with the resumption of Parliament
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and just to get a sense, you know it
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Speaker 3: could be within months of an election. Now I get
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Speaker 3: a sense of where we are. We've had this underwhelming budget.
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Speaker 3: Multiple polls have said that there's been a war of
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Speaker 3: words between the Treasurer of the RBA and a whole
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Speaker 3: lot of economic experts about the continuing risk of high inflation,
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Speaker 3: more detainee issues, migration of course looming.
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Speaker 2: As a key election issue.
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Speaker 3: We've got estimates and the House we've got ministers in
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Speaker 3: the gun. I reckon it's going to be I must
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Speaker 3: watch Fortnite. Where do you see the focus for the government?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Pretty clearly the government wants to continue to focus on
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Speaker 10: the budget, which hasn't been overwhelmingly warmly embraced by the public.
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Speaker 10: It's certainly been criticized by a lot of economists and experts.
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Speaker 10: So what the government wants to do is get back
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Speaker 10: onto talking about the budget, talking about the energy rebates,
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Speaker 10: and talking about the tax cuts, all of which are
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Speaker 10: to come.
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Speaker 1: Of course.
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Speaker 10: It's big challenge this week, in this first week of parliament,
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Speaker 10: will be that the inflation figure will be released on Wednesday.
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Speaker 10: Now it'll only be a monthly figure and the danger
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Speaker 10: for the government is that it will go up or
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Speaker 10: not go down. And what that will mean is that
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Speaker 10: the politics of it. The economy is different. The quarterly
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Speaker 10: inflation figure is the one you really want to look at,
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Speaker 10: and there are big moves, as the treasure is trying
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Speaker 10: to say today that there are big shifts in a
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Speaker 10: monthly CPI. So I think that the CPI figure on
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Speaker 10: Wednesday could very well take the sales out of the
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Speaker 10: government's economic message and continue to keep the focus off
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Speaker 10: the budget where the government wants it to be.
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Speaker 3: I like I've been in opposition before, I know their
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Speaker 3: job will be to keep the government on the back foot.
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Speaker 3: But the Government's got plenty of own goals. It's kicking
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Speaker 3: at the moment. And yet again we're back on the
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Speaker 3: detainee issue.
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Speaker 10: Indeed, and the Opposition has done well in conflating the issues,
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Speaker 10: the overall issue of immigration record, immigration numbers, housing shortage,
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Speaker 10: and of course the issue of the detainees. There seems
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Speaker 10: to be more and more coming out about problems with
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Speaker 10: detainees offenses being committed, and so this is an ongoing
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Speaker 10: issue blended in with the immigration fears. And while Peter
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Speaker 10: Dutton's accused of being a racist and all the rest,
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Speaker 10: he seems to actually have really have the government under
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Speaker 10: pressure on immigration overall and with immigration detainees.
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Speaker 3: This direction number ninety nine and good on the Australia
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Speaker 3: that's done a bit of research work on this. Today
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Speaker 3: thirty five offenders have availed themselves of that direction to
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Speaker 3: stay in Australia. They've had aat decisions over turned. We
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Speaker 3: know obviously about the child rapist. He has stayed in
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Speaker 3: Australia under these provisions.
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Speaker 2: But there was also the case of.
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Speaker 3: A Canadian born criminal. He claimed Aboriginal heritage. Not because
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Speaker 3: he's Aboriginal, he is not, but his partner is. He's
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Speaker 3: got five step children and that somehow, under this direction
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Speaker 3: from Giles, that made him Aboriginal in the eyes of
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Speaker 3: the tribunal, which, as you and I both know, that's
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Speaker 3: very much at odds with the High Court decision in
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Speaker 3: Marbo that created this three part test of indigeneity. Now
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Speaker 3: this is clearly being openly abused. This is a real
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Speaker 3: problem with the government's making. Every minister can remake a direction.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing to stop Giles tomorrow, with the stroke of
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Speaker 3: a pen remaking this direction ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: That's got to be what happens.
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Speaker 10: Surely, well, yes, I mean, after all, he introduced the
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Speaker 10: Declaration ninety nine himself. He didn't require any legislative change.
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Speaker 10: Unfortunately for him.
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Speaker 2: It's delegated lation, disaster, delegated legislation.
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Speaker 10: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1: So what we've actually seen.
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Speaker 10: Here is that the government continues to come under pressure.
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Speaker 10: Some of my colleagues at the Australia have done a
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Speaker 10: very good job in uncovering this long list of cases
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Speaker 10: where this declaration has been used to enable people to stay,
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Speaker 10: which was designed, of course to appease complaints from Jacinda
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Speaker 10: Adern over the way we were mistreating New Zealanders although
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Speaker 10: they had lived in Australia for most of their life.
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Speaker 10: Peter Dutton stood up to the New Zealanders on this
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Speaker 10: and it was.
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Speaker 1: A real problem.
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Speaker 10: What the government has done has changed the rules to
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Speaker 10: try and appease complaints from New Zealand, but instead it
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Speaker 10: has had an effect across the board and as a result,
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Speaker 10: there are now people who the Administrative Appeals Tribunal is
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Speaker 10: saying to them, yes, look you can stay, because that's
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Speaker 10: what happens under the rules. And we have the absurd
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Speaker 10: situation where the Minister and even the Prime Minister are saying,
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Speaker 10: oh no, we have anything to do with these decisions,
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Speaker 10: and these decisions are wrong. Well, if the decision by
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Speaker 10: an independent tribunal, as Richard Marle said today, is wrong,
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Speaker 10: what are they doing about it to correct it? They
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Speaker 10: have actually set the conditions, They've put all these decisions
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Speaker 10: in place, and then tried to say we have nothing
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Speaker 10: to do with it. Well, I'm afraid Andrew Giles is
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Speaker 10: going to have to face up to that and face
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Speaker 10: up to a big time in Parliament this week.
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Speaker 3: I might add the decision in relation to the child
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Speaker 3: rapist was done by Anna Burke, former Labor Deputy speakers.
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Speaker 3: She might have even been a speaker, I think towards
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Speaker 3: the end there were so many of them in that
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Speaker 3: era under rud and Gillard. But she signed this off.
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Speaker 3: She relied upon the Giles regulation. That's what a minister
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Speaker 3: or the instrument, that's what this ministerial direction is. I
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Speaker 3: underscore the point to my viewers at home who might
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Speaker 3: not be across delegated legislation. This doesn't go through the Parliament,
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Speaker 3: doesn't go near cabinet. Andrew Giles signs his off with
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Speaker 3: a stroke of his pen on a document sent up
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Speaker 3: by his department. He could fix it tomorrow. So the
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Speaker 3: crocodile tears you're seeing from him today because he has
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Speaker 3: been caught out on the issue of the rapist and
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Speaker 3: he could fix it tomorrow. And I hope there is
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Speaker 3: a no confidence motion. Dennis moved against this block. The
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister's got this bloke. The pium's got no ticker
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Speaker 3: to turf him. He should resign. If he had any integrity,
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Speaker 3: he should resign. But clearly he's got to go otherwise
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Speaker 3: the government's going to bleed on this and they'll get
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Speaker 3: no clear air to turn around some of this poor.
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Speaker 10: Poling well indeed, and the polling is not good. We've
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Speaker 10: seen another pole out d jesting that the government is
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Speaker 10: headed almost at best for a minority government. A lot
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Speaker 10: of figures there, a large pole, But what it's actually
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Speaker 10: also showing is that the government is picking up in
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Speaker 10: some areas and losing in some other areas, as is
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Speaker 10: Peter Dutton. It's not a clear trend and it's going
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Speaker 10: to come down to particular areas. And in this case
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Speaker 10: this again it is the issue of the redistribution in
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Speaker 10: New South Wales, Victoria and Western Australia, and for that
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Speaker 10: matter of the Northern Territory, which is going to come
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Speaker 10: down and decide the fate of two or three seats
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Speaker 10: which could decide the fate of the Labor government.
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Speaker 3: And I say to people at home too, when that
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Speaker 3: redistribution is done and settled by the AEC, from then
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Speaker 3: on in it is game on for an early election. Dennishnahan,
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Speaker 3: thank you as always to some other issues, because what's
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Speaker 3: becoming apparent is that not only do the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 3: activists want to be able to chant out whatever they
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Speaker 3: like in terms of hate, but they also want to
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Speaker 3: be able to shut down any alternative of you, particularly
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Speaker 3: voice is prepared to speak up in Israel's defense. Take
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Speaker 3: for instance, a zoom event organized by the Australian Jewish
21:21
Speaker 3: Association over the weekend with former Deputy Prime Minister and
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Speaker 3: Kredlin regular John Anderson that was hijacked by pro Palestinian activists.
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Speaker 10: Religion and our belief.
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Speaker 1: Can you show you.
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Speaker 11: This one has to go?
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Speaker 3: So someone joined their claiming he was toning abbit. Clearly
21:54
Speaker 3: he was not put aside the discussing language, but regardlessness
21:59
Speaker 3: of the protest, did not even show his face. I
22:02
Speaker 3: think tells us everything we need today.
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Speaker 2: Joining me.
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Speaker 3: The organizer of that online event, President of the Australian
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Speaker 3: Jewish Association, David Adler.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry to say, David. You know we can't.
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Speaker 3: Even have a rational civil debate in this country. We've
22:19
Speaker 3: got these protests at the university, the encampments are going on,
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Speaker 3: but even in the online environment, they do not want
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Speaker 3: to hear an alternative view. And this is a very reasonable,
22:32
Speaker 3: intellectual considered former Deputy Prime minister shut down like he
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Speaker 3: was in your event.
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Speaker 11: Peter, that's absolutely right, and it was not primarily about Israel.
22:47
Speaker 11: John Anderson has a lot to commend him, but he's
22:50
Speaker 11: not an expert Middle East analyst. We had him there
22:55
Speaker 11: to talk about the subject of Western civilization broadly, the
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Speaker 11: values and challenges that are currently being faced. And although
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Speaker 11: the protesters the infiltrators were wearing a mask, the mask
23:11
Speaker 11: has been lifted off the story that this is just
23:17
Speaker 11: anti Israel activity about what's happening in Gaza. They attacked
23:23
Speaker 11: an ordinary Jewish community event, a significant event. They docked
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Speaker 11: some people who were attending with screenshots, videos, names, etc.
23:38
Speaker 11: The cowards. Their effectiveness is almost zero. The other points
23:43
Speaker 11: that need to be made are firstly that this is
23:50
Speaker 11: a symptom of a failure to act to deal with
23:54
Speaker 11: the radicalization and extremism on our university campuses. We've discussed
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Speaker 11: this before, the failure of the Minister Jason Claire and
24:02
Speaker 11: specifically the failure of the vice Chancellor at the University
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Speaker 11: of Sydney, Mark Scott. But there's something really different about
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Speaker 11: this event too, and that is we have traced the perpetrators.
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Speaker 11: We have evidence.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, tell us more, David.
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Speaker 11: We have evidence of who the organizers are, we have
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Speaker 11: identification details. We've given it to detectives in the New
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Speaker 11: South Wales Police just this afternoon. And we've also had
24:34
Speaker 11: legal advice that there is a section of the Criminal
24:38
Speaker 11: Code Act, it's actually number four seven four point seventeen,
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Speaker 11: which creates an offense to use a carriage to intimidate, harass,
24:49
Speaker 11: menace and I think that this is a slam dunk.
24:54
Speaker 11: So it's now a test of our law enforcement. There
24:59
Speaker 11: are adequate laws to deal with this. We have provided
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Speaker 11: the evidence of who's involved and we now are asking
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Speaker 11: the police and the university to take appropriate action against
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Speaker 11: people who are doing this.
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Speaker 2: This is a Telecommunications Act.
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Speaker 3: It's administered by the Federal government and only the federal government.
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Speaker 3: David I worked in that portfolio, so I understand it well.
25:26
Speaker 3: And of course this is where questions should go to
25:28
Speaker 3: Michelle Roland in the Parliament all week about this, I
25:32
Speaker 3: think is that significant world on I'm doing that background work.
25:35
Speaker 3: One thing I would add though, in the UK, the
25:37
Speaker 3: government there is canceling the visas of pro Hamas student activists.
25:42
Speaker 3: If they're not Brits, if they can kick them out
25:44
Speaker 3: of the country they.
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Speaker 2: Are, why aren't we doing the same?
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Speaker 11: We absolutely should. I mean, as everyone knows, Harmas is
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Speaker 11: a prescribed terrorist organization and there are laws also against
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Speaker 11: supporting prescribed terrorist organizations, and we have people openly declaring
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Speaker 11: their support for Hamas on university campuses, and rather than
26:12
Speaker 11: expel those, the Labor government seems intent to bring more in.
26:18
Speaker 11: And as we've discussed before, over two thy two hundred
26:24
Speaker 11: visas have been issued very rapidly to bring people from Gaza.
26:29
Speaker 11: And we know from studies that a majority something of
26:33
Speaker 11: the order of seventy five percent of people in Gaza
26:37
Speaker 11: support Hamas. So rather than apply common sense, we are
26:42
Speaker 11: doing the inversion of common sense in this country. It's
26:46
Speaker 11: a huge issue and it inevitably will bite not just
26:51
Speaker 11: the Jewish community but Australians generally.
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Speaker 3: I needed a quick common if I can on the
26:57
Speaker 3: labor Senator Fadom of payment. We finished last budget sitting
27:01
Speaker 3: period with her under fire for repeating a phrase that
27:04
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister said should not be used by any
27:07
Speaker 3: official or certainly any Australian even she did, though, and
27:11
Speaker 3: the photographs now have turned up two of her last
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Speaker 3: week standing next to Islamic Council Victoria President Adele Salmon,
27:19
Speaker 3: who's previously described October seven as quote, a legitimate act
27:23
Speaker 3: of resistance. This is the atrocities that Hamas attacks were
27:27
Speaker 3: for the Palestinians to rise up.
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Speaker 2: Well, unless the Prime.
27:31
Speaker 3: Minister actually shows the Senator there are consequences for her actions.
27:37
Speaker 3: This looks very much like he's tacitly endorsing what she's doing,
27:41
Speaker 3: doesn't it look.
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Speaker 11: Whatever your view of the politics overseas, there is no
27:49
Speaker 11: way a rational, reasonable person can describe what happened on
27:54
Speaker 11: October seven as resistance. There was slaughter of innocent peace people,
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Speaker 11: elderly people, rape of women, murder of children. That's not resistance.
28:06
Speaker 11: That is barbaric terrorism. It needs to be condemned by everyone.
28:11
Speaker 11: And if we have people in our National Parliament who
28:15
Speaker 11: are not prepared to condemn it, they are not fit
28:18
Speaker 11: for office. And the Prime Minister needs to properly discipline,
28:25
Speaker 11: seriously discipline anyone who holds such views. And perhaps she
28:29
Speaker 11: was in that photo because she shares the views of
28:34
Speaker 11: the President of the Islamic Council of Victoria, which is
28:37
Speaker 11: known as a fairly radical organization.
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Speaker 3: All as she doesn't, David, she should disavow herself of
28:44
Speaker 3: his views and the Prime Minister should take her off
28:47
Speaker 3: the Foreign Affairs Committee. There's no doubt about that, David Adler,
28:49
Speaker 3: thank you for your time.
28:51
Speaker 2: All right after break?
28:52
Speaker 3: How is it the petty Wong who can continually stand
28:55
Speaker 3: up for Palestine but not even respond to a simple
28:58
Speaker 3: request from Ukraine?
28:59
Speaker 2: Is long long overdue.
29:02
Speaker 3: Plus a bit later on my panel will weigh into
29:04
Speaker 3: the politics of Sunak's National service policy and Labour's pushed
29:09
Speaker 3: to give sixteen year olds the Vogue Trust.
29:12
Speaker 2: Me it is coming here.
29:18
Speaker 3: Welcome back still to Carmen, Extraordinary Spray from the ABC's
29:21
Speaker 3: Laura Tingle and a Sydney Writer's Festival. But first, while
29:25
Speaker 3: the Foreign Minister Petti Wong's been more than happy to
29:27
Speaker 3: vote in favor of Palestine at the United Nations, a
29:29
Speaker 3: clear reward to Hermas in spite.
29:31
Speaker 2: Of their atrocities. It would appear that.
29:34
Speaker 3: Requests from our actual friends in need fall on deaf ears.
29:39
Speaker 3: Reported today, the Ukrainian government, who directly appealed to Wong
29:42
Speaker 3: in December last year for more coal six months on,
29:47
Speaker 3: haven't even had the courtesy of a reply. Now we're
29:50
Speaker 3: still Even if there was a shipment approved, experts say
29:53
Speaker 3: it wouldn't even arrive in time for winter. For more
29:57
Speaker 3: on this, I'm joined now by the Director of Strategic
30:00
Speaker 3: Analysis Australia, Michael Schubridge. Well, how is it, Michael, that
30:04
Speaker 3: the Palestinians seemed to have a hotline to Penny Wong
30:07
Speaker 3: they were taking in thousands and thousands of people out
30:10
Speaker 3: of Gaza. I'm told that one in every four Palestinians
30:14
Speaker 3: leaving the region are coming to Australia.
30:17
Speaker 2: Very little security checks.
30:19
Speaker 3: As we know, we've overturned seven decades plus of bipartisanship
30:24
Speaker 3: in the UN to reward Humus, and yet poor old
30:27
Speaker 3: Ukraine can't even get a response to a fairly minor
30:31
Speaker 3: and reasonable request.
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Speaker 8: Well, Peter, You're right, a real test of where a
30:38
Speaker 8: minister and a government's priorities are or where they spend
30:42
Speaker 8: their time. And the Albanesi government has got its priorities
30:46
Speaker 8: on Ukraine and Gaza all wrong. So we haven't seen
30:51
Speaker 8: Penny Wong visit Ukraine, we haven't seen the Defense minister
30:56
Speaker 8: visit Ukraine, or we haven't seen the embassy reopening Kiev.
31:00
Speaker 8: They're spending their time signaling support to Humus by things
31:04
Speaker 8: like supporting a vote for Palestinian statehood at the UN,
31:08
Speaker 8: and no matter what they try to tell us back
31:11
Speaker 8: here at home, Hamas will see these Australian government actions
31:15
Speaker 8: as support. Meanwhile, on Ukraine, the government only supports the
31:21
Speaker 8: Ukrainian military when they're backed into a corner and have
31:25
Speaker 8: to turn up at a big NATO or G twenty meeting.
31:29
Speaker 8: We need to see the government switch its priorities and
31:33
Speaker 8: focus on supporting Ukraine with the things we can give them.
31:38
Speaker 2: What did you make of the factso that have come
31:40
Speaker 2: out today?
31:40
Speaker 3: It's quite all of our tough talk about Russia and
31:44
Speaker 3: signing on to world sanctions. We've had about a billion
31:49
Speaker 3: dollars worth of trade Australia with Russia. I was shocked
31:53
Speaker 3: that we was still even trading with them.
31:57
Speaker 8: Yes, well, this is certainly an Australian problem, but it's
32:01
Speaker 8: also a democratic world problem. At the start of Putin's
32:05
Speaker 8: invasion of Ukraine, we all acted decisively, but we've lost
32:09
Speaker 8: focus and we've let Putin strengthen his economy and turn
32:14
Speaker 8: his economy to war production, and we've done very little
32:17
Speaker 8: about it. So Australia should be a leading nation in
32:22
Speaker 8: tightening and broadening sanctions against Russia. And I'd like to
32:26
Speaker 8: see a bit of sanctions enforcement from the government too.
32:31
Speaker 3: What about the meeting of the finance ministers at the
32:34
Speaker 3: G seven.
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Speaker 2: I think this is important.
32:36
Speaker 3: We know, with the sanctions as money being held as
32:39
Speaker 3: it's being frozen of a whole of the oligarchs and banks,
32:43
Speaker 3: the training of central banks that's being held back. Three
32:46
Speaker 3: hundred billion, we're told is sort of the number. Now,
32:50
Speaker 3: there was a debate that money could be given to
32:52
Speaker 3: Ukraine to finance its war against Russia. That was put
32:56
Speaker 3: into abeyance. It looks like that's back on the table.
32:59
Speaker 3: To where do you think that's going to go?
33:03
Speaker 8: Well, Peter, I think the financial heft that Russia has
33:06
Speaker 8: that's held in other countries that are sanctioning it needs
33:10
Speaker 8: to be used to support Ukraine. But this should be
33:13
Speaker 8: seen as a punitive measure against Russia where their wealth
33:17
Speaker 8: is used against them, and maybe it should be seen
33:20
Speaker 8: like a sovereign wealth fund for Ukraine. So all the
33:24
Speaker 8: interests that it is supports Ukraine's fight.
33:30
Speaker 3: Good idea, because the only other option is to give
33:32
Speaker 3: it back to them, and of course no one will
33:33
Speaker 3: support that until Ukraine's free PSI Quantum. I'm very dubious
33:39
Speaker 3: about any process that picks winners for government that hands
33:43
Speaker 3: away a billion dollars to a mob in California. I
33:47
Speaker 3: think it worked it out to be about two and
33:49
Speaker 3: a half million dollars per job that'll eventually be based
33:52
Speaker 3: in Brisbane. But we find out today to significant links
33:57
Speaker 3: between pig Quantum and Chinese academic Chinese experts, given how
34:03
Speaker 3: O PAQ this whole process has been Michael, this concerns
34:06
Speaker 3: me a hell.
34:07
Speaker 2: Of a lot.
34:09
Speaker 8: Well, the Chinese want to get in on the ground
34:13
Speaker 8: floor with quantum computing. It's a huge state priority for
34:17
Speaker 8: Chijing Ping and his government, and we know how ruthless
34:21
Speaker 8: he is in getting Chinese academics and researchers to hand
34:25
Speaker 8: over all of their intellectual property and any they can
34:28
Speaker 8: steal from anyone else. So due diligence here is essential.
34:32
Speaker 8: I think there's still some naivety and our scientific and
34:35
Speaker 8: research communities about sciences for everyone.
34:39
Speaker 1: If you live in.
34:40
Speaker 8: China or you return to China and you have quantum
34:43
Speaker 8: computing skills, the state and the Chinese military and intelligence
34:47
Speaker 8: services will get hold of you. And everyone that's getting
34:51
Speaker 8: Australian government money needs to understand that.
34:57
Speaker 3: But also, if we're building a system from the ground
34:59
Speaker 3: up and we've got Chinese academics and others involved in that,
35:04
Speaker 3: how confident are we It's a bit like a house
35:06
Speaker 3: being built in the foundations at the bottom of crook.
35:08
Speaker 3: How confident are we that down the track they haven't
35:11
Speaker 3: got sort of a backdoor way to get into the system,
35:14
Speaker 3: to find out the information we're putting through the system,
35:17
Speaker 3: our quantum computing system when it's up and running.
35:19
Speaker 2: I mean, that would be my fear. I agree with you.
35:23
Speaker 8: I would think any Chinese researcher that has already studied
35:28
Speaker 8: at one of their defense or military universities, or who
35:32
Speaker 8: is doing quantum research and wants to return to China.
35:35
Speaker 8: They shouldn't be associated with the quantum computing effort that
35:40
Speaker 8: any of Australian tax payment takespace money is going into.
35:44
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I'm sure you weren't shocked this morning.
35:48
Speaker 2: You know your stuff.
35:50
Speaker 3: I wasn't shocked because I was there for the mop
35:52
Speaker 3: up that had to happen afterwards. But everyone out there
35:55
Speaker 3: in the real world knows now that from twenty nine
35:58
Speaker 3: to twenty twelve, when Lab was running the show, we
36:01
Speaker 3: had basically no submarines that we could put to water
36:05
Speaker 3: to defend ourselves.
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Speaker 2: This is a national crime, yes, Peter, it is.
36:12
Speaker 8: And the problem is we're going to go through another
36:15
Speaker 8: very difficult period with the Colins submarines and the transition
36:19
Speaker 8: to the nuclear submarines. So we've got to have confidence
36:24
Speaker 8: that the government knows what it's doing and it's pushing
36:27
Speaker 8: the Defense Department to do a better job than it
36:30
Speaker 8: did back in twenty twelve twenty sixteen with the Colins
36:35
Speaker 8: and the government's passion for secrecy and covering up things
36:39
Speaker 8: that the Australian public should know. Doesn't give me any confidence.
36:45
Speaker 3: Well, there's lots of things I can't talk about on
36:47
Speaker 3: this show. Even now after the event. But I'm glad
36:49
Speaker 3: that's out in the open. I think that should be
36:52
Speaker 3: critical in our whole debate about how quickly we get
36:55
Speaker 3: these Virginia class subs from America, and I think the
36:58
Speaker 3: fanciful notion that we're going to build So here, Michael,
37:01
Speaker 3: thank you as always, all right after break. Australia is
37:04
Speaker 3: a racist nation, so stays of the ABC's Laura Tingle,
37:08
Speaker 3: will you pay a big salary?
37:09
Speaker 2: Do you agree with her? It's a shameless politics at
37:12
Speaker 2: the heart.
37:13
Speaker 3: Stephen Miles, cheap public transport stunt over the weekend, Will
37:19
Speaker 3: Queenslanders be fooled? Welcome back, it's still well, still coming up.
37:27
Speaker 3: You will not believe the average staff salery of one
37:30
Speaker 3: of Melbourne's counsels.
37:32
Speaker 2: Give you the tip. It's over one hundred thousand dollars,
37:36
Speaker 2: that is the average. It's even higher than that.
37:38
Speaker 3: Let's bring you my pan on our Liberal Senate at
37:40
Speaker 3: the Tasmania Claire Chandler. Former Howard government minister Gary Hargraves
37:44
Speaker 3: will welcome to you both. I want to start with
37:47
Speaker 3: his National Service push from the Prime Minister of issus
37:50
Speaker 3: SOONAC in the UK, I like it. There's a lot
37:53
Speaker 3: to commend. I have to say, it's either, you know,
37:57
Speaker 3: join up to the military for a year you're to
37:59
Speaker 3: pass the great or do community work once a weekend
38:04
Speaker 3: every month for a year. So not that onerous, Claire,
38:08
Speaker 3: As I said, I think.
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Speaker 2: It's a good idea.
38:10
Speaker 3: I'd love to say it happen in Australia. But he's
38:13
Speaker 3: going to get turfed out right. There's no way he's
38:15
Speaker 3: going to survive. And a lot of people will say, oh,
38:18
Speaker 3: you know, this policy is part of the reason he lost.
38:21
Speaker 3: He got all the young voters offside. Labor at the
38:23
Speaker 3: same time is promising to give sixteen year olds the vote.
38:27
Speaker 3: So I worry this will be tainted with how badly
38:31
Speaker 3: the Conservatives have handled it over there. But here in Australia,
38:35
Speaker 3: should it be on the table?
38:38
Speaker 12: Well, look, I think it's an interesting policy announcement from
38:42
Speaker 12: Richie Sunaki. It's not necessarily something that I would support
38:45
Speaker 12: in Australia compulsory service, because I think we need to
38:49
Speaker 12: have people in our military who genuinely want to be
38:52
Speaker 12: there and are genuinely driven to serve their country for
38:55
Speaker 12: the right reasons, not because they're being forced to be there.
38:59
Speaker 12: That being I think the broader sentiment about encouraging younger Australia,
39:03
Speaker 12: younger people, not necessarily younger Australians, to get involved and
39:07
Speaker 12: become more community minded, is something that's really important because
39:10
Speaker 12: we know that the rates of volunteering are declining so
39:14
Speaker 12: rapidly across our society. So agree with the intention, perhaps
39:17
Speaker 12: not the practice in this situation.
39:21
Speaker 3: Gary, what about you, because I wouldn't have given anyone
39:23
Speaker 3: their he's tax break like the government did the other
39:26
Speaker 3: day without saying you'll get it only if you go
39:30
Speaker 3: and volunteer for Red Cross or you do something for
39:32
Speaker 3: the Selbos, you put something back in, do something once
39:34
Speaker 3: a month for a year and you'll get your tax break. Otherwise,
39:38
Speaker 3: suck it upstate at university and pay the full tot ods.
39:41
Speaker 2: That's what I do.
39:43
Speaker 1: Well, I think Whatere.
39:44
Speaker 13: The argument is, Peter, is that we've got fewer and
39:47
Speaker 13: fewer people wanting to join the military, and yet there's
39:49
Speaker 13: so much you can gain out of that. You can
39:51
Speaker 13: do your trade based apprentices you can do technical trades.
39:54
Speaker 13: There's so many things that are compelling in the military,
39:56
Speaker 13: and so more selling of those sort of virtues to
40:00
Speaker 13: get people encourage. But I think a lot of younger
40:02
Speaker 13: Australians are told it's not necessary to join up will
40:05
Speaker 13: be part of it. There's no sense of urgency or
40:07
Speaker 13: compulsion about that. So I think if you challenge them
40:10
Speaker 13: and said, you're going to end up with a whole
40:12
Speaker 13: lot of mess. The left around the world are mobilizing
40:15
Speaker 13: against center right countries like Australia. We need to have
40:19
Speaker 13: the young people of Australia mobilized and interested in actually
40:22
Speaker 13: doing what they can to serve and so sell the
40:24
Speaker 13: sizzle rather than the sausage of national service.
40:30
Speaker 3: Andrew has always says weakness is provocative and if we
40:33
Speaker 3: don't send a signal now that we are strong, we'll
40:36
Speaker 3: end up having our borders crossed and young people will
40:39
Speaker 3: have to put a uniform on to absolutely defend things,
40:43
Speaker 3: you know, at the worst moment, as opposed to warding
40:46
Speaker 3: off trouble. Laura Tinkle says we are a racist country.
40:52
Speaker 3: What do you think, former Migration Minister there Gary, what
40:55
Speaker 3: do you think.
40:57
Speaker 1: Look, we're not a racist country.
40:59
Speaker 13: There's not one policy in Australia that is race based.
41:02
Speaker 13: There's some positive discrimination for the most vulnerable Aboriginal Torrestrade
41:08
Speaker 13: island of people in remote areas especially, and so there
41:10
Speaker 13: should be. But there's nothing in this country that says
41:13
Speaker 13: we treat people differently. There could have been if that
41:16
Speaker 13: voice referendumer got Peter, there would have been a political.
41:19
Speaker 1: Aparthete in Australia.
41:21
Speaker 13: We would have treated different groups of people in a
41:23
Speaker 13: different way.
41:24
Speaker 1: If you were Aboriginal, you would have been.
41:26
Speaker 13: Told go off and talk to your member for Voice
41:28
Speaker 13: rather than your member of Parliament. So we don't want
41:31
Speaker 13: to see that kind of thing occur. Laura Tingle's wrong.
41:34
Speaker 13: She's just one of these chattering class in the city
41:37
Speaker 13: lefties who likes their lattes provided without any questions asked.
41:41
Speaker 13: And frankly she's so far out of touch. Of course
41:44
Speaker 13: she's on the board of the ABC. Makes perfect sense
41:47
Speaker 13: to me.
41:49
Speaker 2: There were no consequences are at the ABC foura will they? Claire?
41:54
Speaker 5: Oh?
41:54
Speaker 12: Look, I suspect there won't be, Peter, and I think
41:57
Speaker 12: it's really disappointing to see someone from the National Broadcaster, indeed,
42:01
Speaker 12: somebody who's on the board of the National broadcaster talking
42:04
Speaker 12: our country down in that sort of way. I mean,
42:07
Speaker 12: I completely agree with Gary's assessment. I don't think we
42:10
Speaker 12: are a racist country, and I think it's a bit
42:13
Speaker 12: inappropriate to have journalists at the National Broadcast are out
42:17
Speaker 12: there at testing that we are, particularly when, like Gary says,
42:22
Speaker 12: we all as a country rejected the Labor government's device
42:25
Speaker 12: in Voice proposal not even twelve months ago.
42:30
Speaker 3: And look, she could give up her board seat any moment,
42:32
Speaker 3: or a seat broadcasting to an Aboriginal person or any
42:36
Speaker 3: other minority that she thinks is.
42:37
Speaker 2: Worthy other spots.
42:38
Speaker 3: So when I will listen to her when she does
42:41
Speaker 3: all of that, Claire, the World Health Organization, the member states,
42:45
Speaker 3: we're told have failed to reach an agreement on this
42:48
Speaker 3: controversial new international pandemic treaty.
42:53
Speaker 2: What more can you tell us.
42:55
Speaker 12: Well, I'm not surprised that a consensus wasn't reached this week, because,
42:59
Speaker 12: like you say, Peter, this World Health Organization pandemic treaty
43:04
Speaker 12: has not been without controversy. I've received a lot of
43:07
Speaker 12: correspondence from Tasmanians who are concerned about the impact that
43:10
Speaker 12: this is going to have. Rightly so, when we at
43:14
Speaker 12: all levels of government are still working through the process
43:16
Speaker 12: of figuring out what worked during the COVID pandemic and
43:21
Speaker 12: what didn't, and I think it's only right that people
43:23
Speaker 12: are concerned about some sort of framework to deal with
43:26
Speaker 12: pandemics being unilaterally imposed upon us through the World Health Organization,
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Speaker 12: and Australia shouldn't be signing on to this thing unless
43:36
Speaker 12: we know that we're not going to be giving away
43:38
Speaker 12: at our own sovereignty if that's going to be the case.
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Speaker 12: So lots more questions to be asked here, and I
43:44
Speaker 12: think this issue has a long way to play out.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I look forward to you a sinerantic going forward
43:50
Speaker 3: in estimates because we've go to get to the bottom
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Speaker 3: of what we even put on the table, because that's
43:55
Speaker 3: not been transparent from the government. Just quickly, Gary, A
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Speaker 3: fifty cents for public transport fees announced by your premiere
44:04
Speaker 3: over the weekend. This is all about a vote by
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Speaker 3: come October in the state election. He says, it's a trial, right,
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Speaker 3: So this is not what Queenslanders are getting. A trial means,
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Speaker 3: it's just what he's trying to do to buy the
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Speaker 3: vote over the next few months.
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Speaker 2: Do you reckon your Mobil four for it?
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Speaker 1: No one has.
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Speaker 13: And look people, the reality is Brisbane's got a rubbish
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Speaker 13: public transport system. Our train system was designed in the
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Speaker 13: eighteen sixties and was installed in the eighteen seventies and
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Speaker 13: eighteen eighties, still following the same roots. The reason people
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Speaker 13: don't use it they voted with their feet market forces.
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Speaker 13: They've said it's not worth fifty cents to get on
44:43
Speaker 13: the train. Look, there'll be a boosting patronage for a
44:45
Speaker 13: while as every public servant is forced onto the train
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Speaker 13: from the outer suburbs.
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Speaker 1: But fitting it will not stand. It will not stand.
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Speaker 13: Within six months it'll be back to empty trains. They
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Speaker 13: may as well call them air trains, because that's really
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Speaker 13: what it carries, air, not passengers.
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Speaker 1: It's as bad as.
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Speaker 2: That, Garry.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Claire. I have a terrific week
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Speaker 3: at estimates. I'll be looking forward to what you can
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Speaker 3: cover in camera all right after the break. This cost
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Speaker 3: of living crisis is hurting, yes, right across the country.
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Speaker 2: But I tell you what's happening in Melbourne. Look at
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Speaker 2: the salaries.
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Speaker 3: They are fifty thousand dollars one council above average Australian.
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Speaker 2: Earnings after the break. Welcome back now.
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Speaker 3: I was shocked, but not exactly surprise, to read this
45:36
Speaker 3: morning that the Melbourn City Council the average wage is
45:39
Speaker 3: now more than one hundred and forty thousand. That's the
45:43
Speaker 3: average wage, and it actually outpaces the Capital Works program
45:47
Speaker 3: across a number of councils. The wages bill has in
45:50
Speaker 3: fact ballooned by twenty percent over the past five years,
45:54
Speaker 3: while everyone, of course suffers through a cost of living crisis.
45:57
Speaker 3: For more on this, I'm joined by the Director of
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Speaker 3: Council what Dean Hurlston. Well, average ourneys in this country,
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Speaker 3: male and female combined are sort of the mid ninety
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Speaker 3: thousand dollar mark, Dean, So this is comfortably fifty thousand
46:12
Speaker 3: as an average in a local council. God help us,
46:16
Speaker 3: and we're paying the rates. We're paying all of their salaries.
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Speaker 3: Of course, are you surprised by these sorts of figures.
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Speaker 5: No, sadly, Peter, I'm not obviously for any Victorian or
46:26
Speaker 5: any Australian. That's an horrific number coming out of the
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Speaker 5: public service, because we're not getting anything more for those dollars.
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Speaker 5: What we've seen in the post Coavid world is council
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Speaker 5: staff jumping from council to council because they all work
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Speaker 5: from home predominantly and being able to command twenty thirty,
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Speaker 5: forty fifty percent more salaries. What we are deeply concerned
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Speaker 5: about is this is a sector where the top ceo
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Speaker 5: is are earning anywhere from five to seven hundred thousand
46:52
Speaker 5: a year. They have no public performance standards or metrics
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Speaker 5: that we can measure them on and see how effective
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Speaker 5: they are. They have no server standards for their staff.
47:01
Speaker 5: And what this tells us is if it's not the
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Speaker 5: poor customer service staff member earning that fifty thousand more,
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Speaker 5: it's actually blooming in the executive rents. We are seeing
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Speaker 5: CEOs of Melbourne councils had their executive rents like never before,
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Speaker 5: pushing millions of dollars of extra costs in remuneration onto
47:21
Speaker 5: unsuspecting rate players and Peter. It's got to stop. There's
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Speaker 5: a cultural problem in our Melbourne councils. More more, more,
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Speaker 5: but less service.
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Speaker 2: Well a lot of their CEOs.
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Speaker 3: We make the point there on that graphic that I
47:34
Speaker 3: put on the screen, and they owned more than the
47:36
Speaker 3: Prime Minister. Now it's not a complex job if any
47:39
Speaker 3: are actually are required to do when legal terms, it's rates,
47:43
Speaker 3: roads and rubbish.
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Speaker 2: It's not anything more than that. You don't have to
47:46
Speaker 2: be a.
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Speaker 3: Rocket scientist to run a local council. So why do
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Speaker 3: they get away with it? How can we put a
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Speaker 3: stock to it?
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Speaker 5: So, Peter, the reason they get away with is is
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Speaker 5: this protectionism culture. There are a handful of recruiters who
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Speaker 5: deal with recruiting CEOs and wax lyrical. Councilors are told
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Speaker 5: that no one from the private sector could ever run
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Speaker 5: a council with one hundred and thirty plus services. Now
48:12
Speaker 5: that's absolute rubbish. I would challenge that the very good
48:16
Speaker 5: CEOs within our community could easily run a council and
48:20
Speaker 5: could easily overhaul and improve and deliver better outcomes. But no, no,
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Speaker 5: these council CEOs have got a protection racket running, and
48:28
Speaker 5: the Minister for Local Government now wants to actually control
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Speaker 5: that protection racket and take away the hiring and firing
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Speaker 5: of CEOs and performance management from the council councilors themselves
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Speaker 5: and manage it from the state. We can never allow
48:44
Speaker 5: that to happen.
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Speaker 3: I'm just about a time on about thirty seconds, but
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Speaker 3: I want to get a comment from you. How do
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Speaker 3: we stop all these councils getting involved in foreign policy?
48:53
Speaker 3: All the pressure from activists have these ceasefire motions on Gaza.
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Speaker 5: Peter I need every Victorian, in fact, every Australian to
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Speaker 5: get onto the Council Watch website tonight. I need you
49:03
Speaker 5: to go to the Community Safety petition that we're running,
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Speaker 5: and I need thousands of people to help us. Tell
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Speaker 5: every Melbourne council enough is enough. Everyone deserves to be safe,
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Speaker 5: everyone needs to be free.
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Speaker 2: Hey, give us to give us the website, Give us
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Speaker 2: the website.
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Speaker 5: To watch dot com dot au and go straight to
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Speaker 5: the community Partition Community Safety.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'll leave it there, we'll put it up
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Speaker 3: on our socials.
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Speaker 2: We'll get it out there. Thanksteve. All right, that's it
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Speaker 2: for me.
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Speaker 3: Up next, James McPherson, sitting in for Angelbolt