Latest / The Catholic Current / Novel Prophecies Pt. 4 - Benson’s “The Dawn of All” (Fr. Robert McTeigue, S.J.) 8/7/26
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- 0:00This is The Catholic Current with Father Robert
- 0:03Matthei. When I think back to the Apostolic Fathers,
- 0:07those who learned at the feet of the Apostles,
- 0:11I mean, imagine hearing the voice of Saint John
- 0:14describe embracing the risen Lord. That would be a
- 0:17life-altering thrill. But to quote the poet, the thrill is gone,
- 0:22isn't it? You're right. And you know, I often think of The Church Is One
- 0:25Foundation where it talks about how the Church victorious will be the Church at rest.
- 0:29We've decided to skip ahead and become the Church at Praise
- 0:35be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McTaggart of the Society of Jesus, your daily
- 0:39host for The Catholic Current, where we bring Christ to the world and the world
- 0:43to Christ. You're listening to us from the Station of the Cross Studios, your local
- 0:45radio station, the iCatholic Radio mobile app. We proclaim the
- 0:49fullness of truth with clarity and charity. As always, let's start
- 0:54with prayer. In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Almighty God,
- 0:58through the intercession of Saint Ignatius Loyola, we ask that you pour forth your Holy
- 1:01Spirit upon us, a spirit of discernment them might hear your voice and obey your
- 1:05command. Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Here it is,
- 1:09a Friday. You know what that means, uh, Friday it's
- 1:13you and me. Let's talk about this. We walk through a complex issue together.
- 1:16We're on part 4 of my ongoing series called
- 1:21Novel Prophecies. I've been looking at apocalyptic
- 1:25and dystopian literature written by Catholics.
- 1:28It's not going to be only Catholics, and I'm trying to read them more or
- 1:32less in chronological order. And as I said, I'm very clear.
- 1:35You know, our Lord says in the scriptures, no one knows the day
- 1:39or the hour but, but our Heavenly Father. So I'm not going to say it's
- 1:42going to be this rainy Wednesday afternoon, you know, in September,
- 1:46that's when the world ends. That's not what I mean. That's not what
- 1:50this is about. People have embarrassed themselves over
- 1:55the centuries and millennia talking about the world ending, and, and yet
- 1:58here we are. There will be consummation.
- 2:03It is certainly true that Christ already was victorious
- 2:06on Calvary, and that victory was ratified with the
- 2:10empty tomb on Easter Sunday. But we who live in time and
- 2:14space have not yet seen the fullness of Christ's victory
- 2:18made present to us. So we're still kind of working things out here.
- 2:22You know, last week I looked at the novel by Robert Hugh
- 2:26Benson called The Lord of All, and And yeah, it was dystopian
- 2:31apocalyptic literature. Uh, it was about the, the end of the
- 2:35world. It was very well written. Now, as I say that, a friend
- 2:39of mine who read it said, you know, there's not very much in the way
- 2:42of character development. And that's true. This is more of a plot-driven
- 2:46novel. And Benson wanted to say this, hey, if symptoms
- 2:50persist, in other words, if the advent
- 2:55and ascension of modernity is not checked, if the
- 2:59lukewarmness is not corrected, if the betrayal
- 3:02of Christ isn't impeded in some way,
- 3:07what could we look like in the future? So he's writing, I think,
- 3:111907, thereabouts, and talking about
- 3:15things happening in the '60s and the '70s and the '80s.
- 3:19And again, try not to give spoilers, but Christ
- 3:23does win. But the physical earth does not do so well.
- 3:27Now, some people complained to him that, gosh, you know, this is—
- 3:32there is a final victory, but it is kind of rough
- 3:36getting there. And so people said, well,
- 3:39what if symptoms did not persist?
- 3:43What if the betrayal of Christ stopped?
- 3:47What if the lukewarmness was replaced with fervor?
- 3:51What if people stood up to the Marxists
- 3:55and the Darwinists and the relativists and the Nietzscheans
- 3:59and the socialists and the revolutionaries?
- 4:03What if Catholics found their manhood again,
- 4:07reclaimed their patrimony, and lived
- 4:11not only natural law but revelation to the fullness?
- 4:15And what if faith and worship and Catholic identity
- 4:19were not just a private thing you did furtively on
- 4:23a Sunday for 53 minutes. But what
- 4:27if the faith pervaded everything?
- 4:31Politics, economics,
- 4:34universities, the arts.
- 4:38What if civilization and culture were Catholic
- 4:42through and through? There were some awkward exceptions,
- 4:46but it was, it was complete. What would that
- 4:50world look like? And I I mentioned to a young
- 4:53friend of mine who's a great student of history and a great fan of Charles
- 4:57Colombe, kind of an advocate of Catholic monarchism,
- 5:01and I said it's like reading Charles Colombe's dream journal.
- 5:05I say that because in the book, the church and the state have
- 5:10restored pageantry, a sense of vocation.
- 5:15Nearly every public event is liturgical
- 5:19in some way. And it's ordered towards beauty and
- 5:24dignity and inspiration. And that was actually pretty thrilling
- 5:28to be around. So how does the novel start? Well, the main character
- 5:31is an English Monsignor, Masterman,
- 5:35and he wakes up and he's at an outdoor Mass
- 5:39in England and his memory is gone.
- 5:44He doesn't know how he got there at that Mass, and it seems almost
- 5:48as if it's not just his memory is gone, but that wherever he's from,
- 5:52he's from a different world. So he doesn't
- 5:56know that, you know, the so-called Reformation
- 5:59failed. He doesn't know that the
- 6:03monarchies in Europe were restored,
- 6:07that the English king is Catholic,
- 6:11that the French king— that's right, the French king is
- 6:15Catholic, that the Pope is really the Pope.
- 6:19And as you begin to read some of the initial things
- 6:23about the, the pageantry, the liturgy,
- 6:27and also the cultural confidence of
- 6:31Catholics— nobody sounded like
- 6:34my students from all those years ago said, I'm Catholic, I guess.
- 6:38They knew what they were about. They knew what
- 6:42they had overcome. They knew what they had rejected,
- 6:46and you almost felt sorry for the
- 6:50doubters and the handful of socialists,
- 6:53etc. And by the way,
- 6:56big surprise, the troublemakers again are the Germans,
- 7:00especially the socialists who've kind of overtaken Berlin,
- 7:05and even the Kaiser, even the German Emperor,
- 7:09has become Catholic. Wow.
- 7:13And people just took for granted, well, of course there's a harmony
- 7:17between faith and reason. Of course there is a harmony between
- 7:21science and theology. Of course the state
- 7:26must consult with the church regarding matters of
- 7:29morality. And so what you see is,
- 7:34you know, projected into the mid-20th
- 7:39century. This book is written around 1911, just before
- 7:43the start of the tragedy of the First World War. And so this is being
- 7:47projected into the '60s and '70s as kind of a different
- 7:51timeline from The Lord of All. And it's asking, what if
- 7:56modernity grows up specifically Catholic
- 8:01rather than the enemy of the faith?
- 8:04What would politics look like? What would the arts look
- 8:08like? How would churchmen and believers talk about
- 8:12themselves and amongst each other and about those who are not yet on
- 8:16board? And I'm really struggling here because I, I don't want
- 8:20to give away spoilers. I, I don't want to ruin it for you, so I'm
- 8:24going to have to choose my thoughts very, very carefully. So rather than a
- 8:28dystopian novel, this is a utopian
- 8:33novel. And the word utopia is a play
- 8:37on words because there's utopia spelled with a U,
- 8:40U-T-O-P-I-A. So a topoi in
- 8:44Greek is a place, a utopia is nowhere.
- 8:48But there's also a play on words because eu-topia,
- 8:52eu is the prefix meaning good. So we have Eucharist,
- 8:56good gift, thanksgiving. So utopia is
- 9:00an idealized place. And so it seems this
- 9:03Monsignor with this memory loss, who has vague
- 9:08recollections of a troubled, conflicted world
- 9:13with a receding Catholicism— that sounds
- 9:16an awful lot like reality in the very early
- 9:1920th century— he wakes up in a utopia
- 9:24where nearly all the world is actively
- 9:28fully Catholic. And so much of
- 9:32the novel is the shock
- 9:35to the system that all the things that he had somehow took
- 9:39for granted were in error,
- 9:43that what modernity said to us in fact in the
- 9:47early 20th century and throughout the 20th century is not inevitable,
- 9:51is in fact a lie. And it
- 9:55really could be different. And then Benson says, let me tell
- 9:59you how different it could be, how different
- 10:02it could look and feel. And so if you ever
- 10:06wondered what would it be like to live in
- 10:09a fully, thoroughly Catholic world—
- 10:12now the sinners still sin, uh,
- 10:16people make stupid choices regarding prudential decisions, etc.,
- 10:20etc. But the environment,
- 10:24that which is taken for granted,
- 10:27is thoroughly Catholic. And Benson, I think,
- 10:31plausibly describes what life in that world
- 10:35would be like. So that's what I want you to think about.
- 10:39What would a thoroughly Catholic world look
- 10:43like? What would happen to the arts,
- 10:47to worship, to parish life, religious life,
- 10:52Nearly all of the inhabitants of Ireland have expatriated
- 10:56themselves to Australia, Canada, and the United States in this
- 11:00novel, and the entire island has become basically
- 11:05a monastery with tens of thousands
- 11:09of contemplatives. It's a startling idea,
- 11:13friends. We come back, we are going to continue our conversation. We're in Part
- 11:174 of our series Novel Prophecies, looking at Robert Hume Benson's
- 11:21utopian novel called The Dawn of All. Remember,
- 11:25rallying cry here at The Catholic Current is Christus Mundo, Mundus Christo— bringing
- 11:28Christ to the world and the world to Christ. We do it because
- 11:32our Lord says so, for the greater glory of God, the love of our neighbor,
- 11:35and the salvation of our own soul. Take this to your family and friends.
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- 12:37It's Friday, another round of Let's Talk About This. We walk through complex issue together.
- 12:41We are in part 4 of our series
- 12:44called Novel Prophecies. We're reading some great
- 12:47novels, uh, mostly from Catholic authors, some not,
- 12:52roughly in chronological order. And we're reading, if you
- 12:55will, not so much the sequel to Robert
- 12:59Benson's Lord of the World, which we looked at last week, but an alternative
- 13:04called The Dawn of All. Because remember, in Lord of the World,
- 13:07Benson was predicting what life would look like if
- 13:11we didn't wake up and see the danger that modernism
- 13:15was presenting to us. In this book, he said, well, what would the world
- 13:19look like if we learned our lessons, if we got our act
- 13:23together, if we drew the right conclusions from philosophy and theology
- 13:27and scripture and history and the good Catholic
- 13:31arts? What would happen then? So the, the main character,
- 13:35Monsignor Masterman, wakes up and
- 13:39it seems like he has amnesia, but it also
- 13:43seems that wherever he was before the novel
- 13:48started, it looked like but wasn't the world
- 13:51he's living in now. Is he in a different timeline?
- 13:55Is it alternate universe? It's, it's kind of sci-fi.
- 13:59Benson doesn't lean into that very much,
- 14:02but he does explain the Monsignor's
- 14:06confusion, because, you know, there's still an England and a France and a Germany,
- 14:10and there's still a Pope, and they're still in America,
- 14:13there's still electricity, etc., etc.
- 14:17And yet something is different. So listen to this: For
- 14:21somewhere in the back of his mind, why he knew not,
- 14:25there lurked a sort of only half-perceived assumption
- 14:30that the Catholic religion was but one aspect
- 14:34of truth, one point of view from which,
- 14:38with sufficient though not absolute truth,
- 14:41facts could be discerned. He could not understand this,
- 14:45yet there it was, and he understood,
- 14:48at any rate intellectually, that if he could once realize that
- 14:52the dogmas of the Church were the dogmas of the universe,
- 14:57and not only that, but the world convincingly
- 15:02realized it too. Why then the fact
- 15:06that the civilization of today was actually molded upon it would
- 15:10no longer bewilder him. So here's the challenge.
- 15:15Masterman, who we suspect grew up in a world
- 15:20that would be very familiar to you and me, finds himself
- 15:23in a world that sort of kind of looks like our world,
- 15:27And yet he discovers that everybody is thorough— well, 99% of
- 15:31the people are really thoroughly Catholic.
- 15:35And so Catholic isn't one flavor among many.
- 15:38It's not one opinion among many. It's not a perspective.
- 15:43It's the truth, like the law of gravity and the speed
- 15:48of light and the law of non-contradiction.
- 15:52It's a fact about how reality
- 15:56is. Is, and everybody knows
- 16:00it and strives to act accordingly.
- 16:05So, here's the thought experiment for us.
- 16:10How would the world be different if
- 16:1598% of the people of the world took for
- 16:20granted that Catholicism is absolutely
- 16:24fully true and that
- 16:27the only, the only sane
- 16:32option is to live as faithful Catholics,
- 16:36not only in our private life, what we do on Sundays
- 16:40and when we say our prayers in our room,
- 16:44but everywhere. How we purchase,
- 16:47how we vote, how we travel, how we treat our neighbor,
- 16:51how we think of war and peace, Oh my goodness, how we
- 16:55think about capital punishment. My goodness, there— I know
- 17:00a lot of people whose heads would explode when they
- 17:04read what Benson has to say about capital
- 17:08punishment. It's breathtaking. And sad
- 17:12to say, I'm pretty sure that most people
- 17:15never give much thought to what the world
- 17:19would look like if the great majority were thoroughly,
- 17:23fully, and convincingly Catholic. Yes, there's sin.
- 17:27Yes, there's struggle. Yes, people need to go to confession.
- 17:31But you know what they do? Then they go to confession.
- 17:34Can you imagine if people who knew they needed to go to confession
- 17:39went to confession? That would make the world a very different place.
- 17:44So he's starting to see that the assumptions
- 17:47that he kind of took for granted, that he kind of half
- 17:51remembered, that nobody really,
- 17:55really, really takes the church
- 17:58seriously, even within the church, and it's not really,
- 18:03really, really something that can be lived
- 18:07except privately. If we're disabused of
- 18:10that notion, What would life look like?
- 18:14Well, you know what? I've been thinking about it. I think
- 18:18I'd like to give it a try. I think I'd like to
- 18:22live in a civil society where
- 18:26those who governed were morally certain that
- 18:30at the end of their days they would be answerable to God
- 18:34Almighty for how we govern. Now,
- 18:38Saint Louis IX of France thought that.
- 18:41Blessed Karl of Austria thought that.
- 18:45I would like to, you know, I think I'd like to live in that world.
- 18:50I'd like to live in the world where everyone took for
- 18:54granted that men are men and women are women,
- 18:58and men and women are made for each other, and family life
- 19:02is the basic building block of all human society,
- 19:07and to be fruitful and multiply is a really,
- 19:12really good thing. I'd be willing to give
- 19:16that world a shot. I really would. I would like
- 19:20to live in a world where it's taken for granted that of course the church
- 19:25should be in charge of education.
- 19:29Of course There is a superabundance
- 19:33of vocations. And of course,
- 19:38beauty is important for human life.
- 19:43Where people would be considered a barbarian and
- 19:47reprobate for graffiti and for
- 19:52littering, and people would be embarrassed
- 19:56and walk away, if other folks started shouting untrue
- 20:00things about marriage, for example. I'd be willing to give
- 20:03that world a fair shake. I want to talk a little bit about
- 20:07his view of politics. He says something really interesting here.
- 20:11Let me jump ahead. This is from page
- 20:1581. The Monsignor has
- 20:18just met somebody important. Oh,
- 20:22so he's met the Pope, and he goes, gosh, he looks quite ordinary.
- 20:26It's like the face of a businessman. And his friend
- 20:30says, oh yes, he's ordinary. He's an extremely good man and quite intelligent.
- 20:33He's never had any great kind of crisis to face, you know. They say he's
- 20:37a good financier. His friend says, you look disappointed.
- 20:41Monsignor says, I hadn't expected him to look like that.
- 20:44His friend answers, why not? Monsignor says, well, he seems to have an
- 20:48extraordinary position in the world. I would have expected more of a
- 20:52And his friend says, more of a great man?
- 20:56Monsignor, don't you think that the average man makes
- 21:00the best ruler? And Monsignor gasps and says,
- 21:04but that's democracy! And his friend says,
- 21:08not at all. Democracy doesn't
- 21:11give the average man any real power
- 21:15at all. It swamps him among his fellows.
- 21:19That is to say, it kills his individuality,
- 21:22and his individuality is the one thing he has which is worth anything.
- 21:27So on this view, you know, more democracy,
- 21:31more democracy, more democracy. Well,
- 21:35that's kind of— that can be rule by
- 21:39the lowest common denominator. It can be rule by the mob.
- 21:44And, you know, supposedly in the United States we live in a democratic
- 21:48republic, and yet We've
- 21:51got people in their 80s who are obviously demented who
- 21:55are still being elected every couple of years.
- 22:00You know, oh gosh, Mr. Engineer, which senator
- 22:05is it who hasn't been seen in weeks and months and
- 22:10then keeps sending proof of life pictures and he's in a hospital
- 22:13bed with his wife standing next to him and he's holding the day's newspaper.
- 22:16He's in a hospital bed with no IV units. Stuck in his
- 22:20arm, and he's wearing jeans and a button-down shirt.
- 22:24Mitch McConnell. Thank you, Mr. Engineer. So Mitch McConnell.
- 22:28Do we really want to say that Mitch McConnell represents
- 22:33the best interests of the people? Members of Congress
- 22:37who have the American flag and a foreign flag outside
- 22:41their door, do they represent the best interests of the American people?
- 22:44Do they represent the best interests of the voters? The people who
- 22:48want both welfare state and open borders,
- 22:53do they represent the average man, the ordinary American?
- 22:59I don't think so. See, one of the things that Benson does in
- 23:03this novel that's really smart is there's, there's a
- 23:06tension that doesn't go away. There is the sanctity and
- 23:11the uniqueness of the individual And at the
- 23:16same time, there is the larger
- 23:19body, the society, the polis,
- 23:23as they'd say in Greek, and there is a common good
- 23:28that has to be reconciled with the sanctity of the individual. Now, when I
- 23:31use the word common good, we have to be really careful because a
- 23:35lot of people who are Catholic members of the People Who Should Really Know Better
- 23:40Club They think that the common good is access to
- 23:44the public purse, and you definitely want to be
- 23:48on the receiving end of the public purse. And if you can't
- 23:52do that, then you want to be one of the distributors of
- 23:55the contents of the public purse after you take your cut off
- 23:59the top, and that's the common good. Well, no. And then in the Catholic tradition,
- 24:04the common good ultimately is arranging
- 24:09civil society to make it easier for
- 24:13individuals and communities to live and die as saints.
- 24:19That's the common good. We don't talk
- 24:23like that though, do we? I mean, there's an American archbishop
- 24:27who was talking about Muslims in the United States have a God-given
- 24:31right to build mosques. What if you
- 24:35really believed that when Jesus of Nazareth said,
- 24:39I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father
- 24:43but through me, if you really thoroughly believe that
- 24:47and you thoroughly believe that the common good is helping people
- 24:51to live and die as saints, would you make a statement
- 24:55like that Archbishop made recently? I just
- 24:59wonder. I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTeague, your host here every day at The Catholic
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- 26:51that defend our Catholic faith. We are making our way through
- 26:55the novel The Dawn of All, Robert Hugh Benson's utopian
- 27:00novel written after his dystopian novel called
- 27:04The Lord of the World. Again, I want to be so
- 27:07careful because I, I don't want to spoil it for you,
- 27:11so I'm just going to make sections of the book appealing to
- 27:15you And also, I want to make Benson's purposes
- 27:19appealing to you. He doesn't just want to
- 27:22tell a story. He wants you to
- 27:25engage in a thought experiment and say, you know,
- 27:29if the whole world really became
- 27:33Catholic, that would be a good thing,
- 27:37and it would make people happier, healthier, more holy,
- 27:41more fully human. Lives would be saved and
- 27:45souls would be saved, and best of all, God would be glorified.
- 27:50And what would it be like to live
- 27:54in a world where Catholicism was taken for granted? I'm going to
- 27:58give you a little vignette from my own life. I came
- 28:02back from Southeast Asia in the summer of 2007.
- 28:06I was in the missions there. And I found myself moving
- 28:11to the big campus of Ave Maria University.
- 28:14That's back when it was a university that had a town. I think now
- 28:18because of growth, it's a town that, that has a university.
- 28:22But Catholic culture was very much taken for granted. So on
- 28:27Valentine's Day, all the young ladies stood in
- 28:30the quad outside of the girls' dormitory,
- 28:36and I led a Eucharistic procession with all the young men
- 28:39on campus, and we all went to
- 28:43them, and the young men got down on their knees and promised in the presence
- 28:46of the Eucharistic Lord that they would honor the virtue and
- 28:50chastity of the women on campus. That actually happened.
- 28:55I saw that with my own eyes.
- 28:59I don't think that's a common experience in the 21st
- 29:02century in North America. But I actually
- 29:07saw it, and I, I liked living in that environment.
- 29:11So that's why I want you to engage. I want you to read
- 29:15the novel because it's a good novel. Uh, I also want you to consider
- 29:19that thought experiment of what life would look like if
- 29:23the whole world were thoroughly Catholic. And Benson makes a really
- 29:27good case that life makes a lot more
- 29:32sense when everything and everyone is acting
- 29:37upon Catholic principles and Catholic truths,
- 29:40just like when we act in harmony with the law of non-contradiction
- 29:44or, or gravity, for example. So I'm going to read to you an
- 29:48excerpt about what people take
- 29:52for granted and what that means, and you ask yourself whether
- 29:56or not you'd want to live in this world.
- 30:00He— so the Monsignor who thinks he may
- 30:04have lost his memory, but then you also begin to suspect
- 30:08that maybe he's from a parallel world, and he
- 30:13begins to say, well, you know,
- 30:16but it was taken for granted in the universities, etc.,
- 30:19etc., that everybody knows that the
- 30:24Church is hostile to education. Everybody knows that celibacy is
- 30:30stupid. Everybody knows that there's no harmony between
- 30:34faith and reason, science and theology. And his companion
- 30:38laughs and says, of course, I remember from reading history that those things
- 30:42used to be said. And then he adds, and I suppose socialists
- 30:46say them now. He goes on, he says, but you know,
- 30:51no educated man ever dreams of such arguments
- 30:55now. Nor indeed do the uneducated.
- 30:59It's the half-educated, as usual,
- 31:03who's the enemy. He always is. And this is the punch
- 31:06in the face: the wise men and the shepherds
- 31:11both knelt in Bethlehem. It was
- 31:14the bourgeois who stood apart. Pow!
- 31:19And then he goes, all right, let's talk about celibacy. Let's talk
- 31:22about family life. And this is where Benson
- 31:27is speculating about what an absolutely Catholic world would look like.
- 31:31He said, well, let's see, so the priest could humor this. This is his priest
- 31:34friend talking to the Monsignor. We'll begin with celibacy. Now, it's perfectly
- 31:38true that it's thought almost a disgrace for a man to not have a
- 31:42large family. The average is certainly not less than
- 31:4510 children. Well, in civilized nations.
- 31:49But for all that, a priest is looked upon without any contempt at all.
- 31:53Why? Because he's a spiritual father,
- 31:57because he begets spiritual children to God and
- 32:01feeds and nourishes them. Of course, to an atheist this is nonsense,
- 32:04and even to an agnostic it's a very doubtful benefit. But my dear Monsignor,
- 32:09you must remember that these hardly exist among
- 32:12us. Heaven and grace and the Church and the havoc that
- 32:16sin makes, not only as regards to the next world but also to this
- 32:21So absolutely convinced that he perf— he
- 32:24understands perfectly that a priest is far more productive of general
- 32:28good than a physical father possibly can be.
- 32:31It's the priest who keeps the whole thing going, don't you see?
- 32:35And then in a Catholic world, the instinct that the man who serves
- 32:39the altar should be without physical ties, well, it's, it's simply
- 32:43natural. Isn't that breathtaking?
- 32:46Isn't that breathtaking, that it could be taken
- 32:50for granted that spiritual fatherhood
- 32:54is a very great good? Now,
- 32:57biological fatherhood is an indispensable good, but the
- 33:01crowning good, the perfecting good, is spiritual
- 33:06fatherhood. And yet so
- 33:10many today including Catholic members of the People
- 33:15Who Should Really Know Better Club, and sadly, sadly, sadly,
- 33:18senior Catholic cadres of the People Who Should Really Know Better Club
- 33:22would find this statement unintelligible.
- 33:26And the only reason that would make sense would be if they don't
- 33:30take spiritual fatherhood seriously.
- 33:35And then they begin to talk about education, because after
- 33:39the French Revolution, one of the things that revolutionaries would do was they
- 33:43would take education out of the hands of the church.
- 33:47So here's Monsignor, who we think at first
- 33:51has amnesia, and then you realize he's from kind of a parallel universe, and he
- 33:55now finds himself in Catholic world. So he goes, all right, the way
- 33:59that I remember it, in the world that I think I grew up in,
- 34:01he says, the church was always viewed with suspicion. I remember,
- 34:05uh, my good friend Father Robert Spitzer was at some very high-end higher education
- 34:09meeting, I think for Phi Beta Kappa, the academic honor society,
- 34:14and some woman was talking about why Catholic institutions
- 34:18should be disbarred from Phi Beta Kappa because
- 34:22everybody knows the church hates education.
- 34:26And Father had to give her a little history lesson as to who founded the
- 34:30universities. So the Monsignor, the confused
- 34:34Monsignor, asks Father Jervis Go on, what about education?
- 34:38Father Jervis continues, my dear friend, the church
- 34:42controls the whole of education, as she did in fact up
- 34:46to the very time when the state first took it away from her and then
- 34:49abused her for neglecting it. Nowadays,
- 34:52practically all the scientists, all the specialists in medicine,
- 34:56chemistry, and mental health, 9/10 of the musicians,
- 35:003/4 of the artists, practically all those are religious.
- 35:05Now, religious with a capital R. In other words, you know, monks and
- 35:09nuns and priests and brothers. It's only the active
- 35:12trades which are incompatible with religion that are in the hands of
- 35:17the laity. And by incompatible with religion, he means consecrated life.
- 35:21It's been found by experience that no really fine work can be done
- 35:25except by those who are familiar with divine things,
- 35:29because it's only those who see things all around who have,
- 35:32that is to say, a really comprehensive
- 35:37intuition. Now, that's a startling thing
- 35:40to say, but from a Catholic point of view, it can
- 35:45make sense. If we don't have faith,
- 35:49if we don't look at things through the eyes of faith,
- 35:54then life is— life is
- 35:57flat. It's like looking at pixels
- 36:02at a screen. Apart from the life
- 36:06of faith, our lives is— it's
- 36:10just an episode between 2 oblivions. As Shakespeare said,
- 36:13history is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound
- 36:18and fury, signifying nothing.
- 36:22Thoreau said most men lead lives of quiet desperation,
- 36:26and what Benson is yelling from the rooftops of those books is Catholics
- 36:30don't have to. And there was a time
- 36:35when Catholics were much more confident,
- 36:40and when they were confident, they built monasteries and cathedrals
- 36:44and great art and
- 36:48great communities. And there
- 36:52was brilliant philosophy and theology and literature
- 36:56and jurisprudence. And family
- 37:00life was considered sacred and reverenced.
- 37:03Yes, there were sinners. Yes, there were
- 37:07stupidities, because whenever you involve finite fallen human beings, There's gonna
- 37:12be a mess. But there was no doubt
- 37:15as to what the compass points were, and there was no
- 37:19doubt about what the destination was.
- 37:24And we had the Benedictine movement.
- 37:29There was a time when there were more Benedictine monasteries in
- 37:33Europe than there were parishes in the United States.
- 37:37By far, by far.
- 37:41When was the last time an ordinary
- 37:45parish church was built from scratch in your
- 37:49lifetime, in my lifetime, starting in 1961,
- 37:53that can be considered glorious and a church
- 37:56for the ages? There was a time
- 38:00when Catholics had the confidence to influence
- 38:04the whole of culture and the whole of human life.
- 38:09And yes, there were mistakes, and yes, there were sinners, but that clarity
- 38:14and that charity brought about beauty
- 38:18that honored truth and cultivated goodness.
- 38:22And I think what Robert Benson is saying, and what I'm asking you now,
- 38:26is don't you want to live in that world rather
- 38:30than this, where we don't know what a man is, don't know
- 38:34what a woman is, that you've got deans of medical schools testifying
- 38:38before Congress that men can give birth.
- 38:41You want to live in that world? Really? You want
- 38:46to live in a world where, uh, the church is going to gather in
- 38:49Rome to have conversations about how to be church
- 38:53better, and the religions of the world are invited to give
- 38:57us advice? Do you want to live in that world,
- 39:01or the world where the church is once again
- 39:05the teacher to all the nations.
- 39:10I want to live in the world where Catholics say without
- 39:14hesitation and with intelligence and gratitude
- 39:18and joy, Christ is King now.
- 39:22Christ crucified and risen, Christ who will return to
- 39:26judge the living and the dead and the world by fire, he reigns
- 39:30now. And we offer him worship we
- 39:35offer him obedience, and we offer him our first
- 39:39fruits. History records what
- 39:43that world was like. I think we
- 39:47can have something similar. We're gonna have to work
- 39:51towards it. It's not gonna happen overnight, and a revival every 3 years
- 39:55isn't gonna be enough. But that's a story for another time.
- 39:59I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTiger, host here every day of The Catholic Current.
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- 41:20Praise be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McTeague of the Society of Jesus,
- 41:24your daily host for The Catholic Current, where we bring Christ to the world and
- 41:27the world to Christ. You're listening to us from the Station of the Cross studios,
- 41:30your local radio station, the iCatholic Radio mobile app. We proclaim the fullness
- 41:34of truth with clarity and charity. Well, here it is, the last
- 41:38segment of Friday. You know what that means— weekend readiness. You and me looking
- 41:42at the headlines of the week in light of the upcoming Sunday scriptures, so you'll
- 41:45be all prayed up for Sunday Mass. I resolved quite some time ago, actually,
- 41:50that I wanted to have a good news story included
- 41:54in the headlines. And I always look it up. Mr. Engineer and
- 41:59I, we go to the Good News Network and we try to find something that
- 42:02involves a human being rather than an inspiring story about a species
- 42:06of snail darter that no one had heard of before. And very
- 42:09often I forget the story. So we're going to have the good news story
- 42:13up front. So here's the headline: After
- 42:17a stranger gives a boy a piano, A Mozart level is revealed
- 42:21in spite of autism. So in Colorado,
- 42:24somebody found what could be a child prodigy.
- 42:29Somebody gave him a piano and he has just come to life,
- 42:34uh, with that. And nobody knows where this insane
- 42:37talent comes from. So he's
- 42:41started off as a 9-year-old prodigy, now he's a 14-year-old touring maestro,
- 42:46and he's got his own album called Introducing Jude Kofi.
- 42:49So We got the good news story up front.
- 42:53Let's take a look at the other things Father is concerned about.
- 42:58Wars and rumors of wars, people doing stupid things,
- 43:02people thinking that having welfare states and open borders is going
- 43:06to bring about a good end. That's still taking place.
- 43:10We know that Canada leads the world, or thereabouts,
- 43:14in medically assisted dying,
- 43:18also known as euthanasia. So there's a Canadian grandmother,
- 43:21she's 80 83 years old. She's in the hospital and she's
- 43:25got late-stage stomach cancer. And they said, you know,
- 43:29do you want us to put you down? And she said, no,
- 43:32that conflicts with my faith. And her
- 43:37daughter had durable power of attorney. She says, my mother doesn't want this. I'm not
- 43:41consenting to it. Don't do it. Uh, the daughter went away for
- 43:44a few days and apparently without consulting
- 43:48any family members, which you're supposed to, they asked her,
- 43:52you want us to, to take you out, right? And there is
- 43:56no record of the grandma changing her mind,
- 44:00and every indication was, don't do this, uh,
- 44:03that conflicts with my Christian faith. And she got euthanized
- 44:09even though there was clear evidence that she
- 44:12didn't have dementia. But she was euthanized. And why?
- 44:16Well, I think 2 reasons. Well, first of all, End-of-life care
- 44:20is expensive, and somebody's got to
- 44:23pay for that free healthcare. That's number one. Uh,
- 44:27number two, they want to normalize it.
- 44:31So you remember reading Benson's novel, uh, last week, uh,
- 44:35The Lord of the World, where, uh, the ministers
- 44:39of euthanasia were always welcome at every accident scene?
- 44:44And so they want to normalize euthanasia.
- 44:48They want to normalize other people affiliated
- 44:53with the state can decide that your life isn't
- 44:57worth living. And it's a startling
- 45:01percentage of deaths in Canada the past few years,
- 45:04like 5 or 7%, I think, come from doctor-induced
- 45:09euthanasia. And that's That's
- 45:14horrifying. As we're talking about medical things, uh, U.S. Senate Homeland
- 45:18Security panel votes to hold Dr. Anthony Fauci in contempt,
- 45:23and Senator Paul refers charges to the Department of Justice.
- 45:27You know, his— he's been testifying before Congress
- 45:31about his behavior during the COVID interruption,
- 45:35the reign of King COVID that he was very much a part of. And somebody
- 45:39said, well, isn't it horrible that his private diary was entered
- 45:43into as evidence? Well, I wouldn't want my diaries entered into evidence for anything.
- 45:46But here's the thing. These— this wasn't his private
- 45:50thoughts before God. These were notes for his memoirs
- 45:54that he was going to cash in when he retired. And he wrote
- 45:58over 1,000 pages of his memoirs
- 46:02on a government computer on government time
- 46:06and then backed it up on a government server.
- 46:09So, that is government property.
- 46:13And by all accounts, I hope to interview Jeffrey Tucker from the Brownson
- 46:17Institute who took the trouble to read all 1,000 pages. Man sounds like
- 46:21a real narcissist and a fame hound who lied.
- 46:25Lied to the American people, lied to the government, lied under oath.
- 46:29And remember, he got a blanket pardon for unspecified
- 46:33crimes from former presidential candidate Joe Biden.
- 46:36And he still invoked the Fifth Amendment 111
- 46:40times? I'm not sure if that's
- 46:44how the Fifth Amendment works. I'm not a constitutional attorney, but it all seems kind
- 46:48of fishy and sketchy for me. And then something church-related.
- 46:53Rorate Caeli has a report that was originally written in
- 46:57German, and it turns out, according to this study,
- 47:012/3 of the College of Cardinals have
- 47:05no familiarity with Latin at
- 47:10all. Is that a good
- 47:14thing? You know, there— I remember seeing some
- 47:17historical documents. There were bishops who attended the Second
- 47:22Vatican Council who would write notes in the margins of
- 47:26documents like they were annotating a college text, and it was
- 47:29all in Latin. It was just taken for granted. That you were fluent
- 47:34in Latin. And for cardinals, most of whom are
- 47:37bishops, to have no access to Latin
- 47:41at all, I— that doesn't,
- 47:44doesn't sound like winning to me. All right, with that in mind, let's turn
- 47:48to the scriptures. This is the 19th Sunday in Ordinary Time,
- 47:52Lectionary 115 if you're following the Novus Ordo calendar of
- 47:55the Pauline Rite. Uh, first reading is from 1 Kings
- 47:5919. God wasn't in the whirlwind, and he wasn't in the earthquake,
- 48:03and he wasn't in the fire, but he was in the tiny whispering
- 48:07sound, the still small voice.
- 48:11And that's kind of a rallying cry for the Carmelites. There are
- 48:15things we can hear from God only when we're quiet,
- 48:21and we live in the anti-quiet.
- 48:24I've complained many times that Mass at St. Tipico's on Sundays is
- 48:29like live radio where there can never be dead air.
- 48:32That once Mass starts, there's either someone strumming a guitar,
- 48:36playing a piano, playing an organ, somebody talking, somebody singing,
- 48:40but there must never ever ever ever ever be silence.
- 48:44And that's really bad for your soul, and that's also inimical
- 48:49to worship. And then from Matthew 14, uh,
- 48:53our Lord walking on, uh, the water, and Peter
- 48:58says, Lord, if it's really you. And so he steps out of the boat,
- 49:01impulsive Peter, and he's walking to our Lord.
- 49:05And what does he do? He takes his eyes off our Lord,
- 49:09and then he begins to drown. And that's the moral of
- 49:12the story for us, isn't it? My goodness, we are living in
- 49:16stormy times. And if we take our eyes
- 49:21off the Lord, odds are we're gonna drown.
- 49:25And yes, we do need quiet so we can
- 49:28learn to hear the shepherd's voice.
- 49:33Our Lord never stops offering himself to
- 49:36us. Our Lord never withholds grace
- 49:42from us. God is always at work in the
- 49:45world asking for our time, our energy,
- 49:49and our attention. How do we respond to that
- 49:53fact? May God's holy name be praised now and forever. I'm Jesuit
- 49:58Father Robert McTeague, your host here every day at The Catholic Current.
- 50:01You want to join us on Monday for another episode of The Catholic Current.
- 50:05Great guest, great topic, great conversation. And here's my promise
- 50:08to you, next Friday we're going to continue. Let's talk about
- 50:12this. We're going to continue with Novel Prophecies Part 5. This is
- 50:16going to be our first non-Christian author, Aldous Huxley's
- 50:20book written in the 1930s called Brave New World.
- 50:23If you haven't read it, my goodness, you need to read it. I used to
- 50:27have my medical ethics students read it. It is a prescient book.
- 50:31Through the intercession of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, may God our Lord surround you
- 50:34with the lead of guardian angels with flaming swords to light your path, to protect
- 50:39you from all harm and every evil, to reach the happiness of heaven. Mighty God
- 50:43bless you, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Go in peace, and please do pray for
- 50:46me, for I am a sinner.