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The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein Was The Final Straw For MCC As A Facility · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: Well, it looks like the lockup where Jeffrey Epstein allegedly
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Speaker 1: killed himself is about to be closed down. According to reports,
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Speaker 1: the MCC is going to be shuttered, at least for
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Speaker 1: a short period of time, while they work on bringing
0:21
Speaker 1: it up to industry standards. And what do the 230-something
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Speaker 1: inmates win as a prize? For this place being shut down,
0:31
Speaker 1: they get to be sent to the Brooklyn lockup. Yeah,
0:34
Speaker 1: you know, to the lapses of luxury over there at
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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn lockup. Folks, I've told you from the jump,
0:42
Speaker 1: I am not a fan of the Department of Corrections.
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Speaker 1: I am not a fan of the facilities being old
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Speaker 1: and decrepit and broken down and run down and shoddy.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty of money. to fix these places up. Look,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should be a, it should be
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Speaker 1: a resort, right? But it should be livable, basic livable conditions.
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Speaker 1: A room, running water, a bathtub, a toilet bowl, I mean,
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Speaker 1: a place to brush your teeth in the morning, you know,
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Speaker 1: the basics. And beyond that, it should be by, you know,
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Speaker 1: what crimes have been committed and, you know, If you're
1:20
Speaker 1: in there for a lesser crime, you should get more
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Speaker 1: ability to move freely or have more freedom within the
1:28
Speaker 1: facility or to purchase said comfort items, right? Because at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it has to be about rehabilitation.
1:38
Speaker 1: And if you just lose people into the system, toss
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Speaker 1: them into these jails, into these lockups, and they're hellholes, well,
1:46
Speaker 1: you got somebody who goes in there on maybe a
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Speaker 1: three-year stint Who comes out of there with a master's
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Speaker 1: degree in criminology. And I'm not talking about being a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: my friend. Imagine you have nothing else to do. And
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Speaker 1: you're locked up with some criminal fucking mastermind for 18
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Speaker 1: hours a day. And this dude's blowing all kinds of
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Speaker 1: stories in your brain. Now you're there, right? And it's
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Speaker 1: a little bit longer. You're getting a little bit more comfortable.
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Speaker 1: So you're there on a two-year stint. Well, now you
2:16
Speaker 1: got to do work for whoever your people are. So
2:20
Speaker 1: that two-year stint becomes five years. So now you're disillusioned
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Speaker 1: with everything, right? You're pissed. You were there for two years,
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Speaker 1: but you were forced to do dirt for the cause,
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Speaker 1: whatever the cause may be when you're in prison. Insert
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Speaker 1: fucked up situation here. So now you've made your problems
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Speaker 1: even worse. But what are you going to do? It's
2:41
Speaker 1: either that or your people do whatever they told you
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Speaker 1: to do to another person to you. So look, these
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Speaker 1: prisons aren't a fun place. These jails aren't a fun place.
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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be there, right? And I think that
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Speaker 1: we should have levels to it. So if you're there
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Speaker 1: for a crime, it's your first offense, and it's a
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Speaker 1: nonviolent crime, probably a work camp for you, in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: No need to be in prison where you're going to
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Speaker 1: catch extra years because you got to do dirt, right?
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Speaker 1: You go to one of these low-level camps... One of
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Speaker 1: these low-level prison camps... Where it's like a complete... No-touch policy, right?
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Speaker 1: If somebody wilds out and fights with somebody... They're gone.
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Speaker 1: They go automatically back to medium security... Or whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of incentive there... For people to not fight.
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Speaker 1: A lot of incentive there... For people to learn. And
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Speaker 1: if we want to rehabilitate people... We have to offer
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Punishment's fine and well. And I'm
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Speaker 1: all for it, right? If you play the game... You
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Speaker 1: got to pay the price if you get caught. It's
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Speaker 1: your job as a criminal not to get caught. It's
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Speaker 1: society's job to catch you. So if you're out there
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Speaker 1: doing dirt and you get caught up, hey, that's part
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Speaker 1: of it, right? That's, you know, I'm not saying there
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be any prison at all, but it's not a
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Speaker 1: one shoe fits all here. We got, you know, such
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Speaker 1: a diverse country, such a diverse world. And each case,
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Speaker 1: even when they're even in the same neighborhood, each case
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Speaker 1: is unique. So mandatory sentencing and all of that stuff,
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Speaker 1: I am completely against it. 100%. Just like I'm against
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Speaker 1: the death penalty. I used to be for it, but
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Speaker 1: I am against it these days. I need to see it.
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Speaker 1: Unless there's overwhelming evidence, right? Overwhelming evidence. Then that's a
4:33
Speaker 1: different story. But if there is even an iota of
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Speaker 1: a doubt, Should the state really be able to execute
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Speaker 1: a citizen? I don't know. I mean, I guess there's
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Speaker 1: a conversation to be had there, right? I'm not completely,
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Speaker 1: you know, against it where I would, you know, die
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Speaker 1: on that hill. I'm willing to listen to other arguments
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Speaker 1: about pro stance for it. But I personally am not
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Speaker 1: comfortable with the state having that power. I don't trust
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Speaker 1: the state and I don't care who's at the helm.
5:13
Speaker 1: The power of the few is always a burden to
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Speaker 1: the many. And how often do we have to see that?
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Speaker 1: I mean on a regular basis throughout time. So we
5:27
Speaker 1: have to be very careful with the powers that are
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Speaker 1: given to the state in my opinion. Especially when it
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Speaker 1: comes to life or death over somebody. So these facilities
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Speaker 1: in general are a shit show. They're disgusting. They're a pigsty.
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Speaker 1: They're gross. I've heard from friends of my own that
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Speaker 1: have been in these places, loved ones. Not the kind
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Speaker 1: of place you want to be. In fact, I visited
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Speaker 1: a federal penitentiary a few times myself when I was younger,
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Speaker 1: going to see people that I care about up in Lompoc.
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Speaker 1: Not the kind of place I'd ever want to be.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you guys that much right now. And
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Speaker 1: the whole process of getting in there is a shit
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Speaker 1: show too. Those guards don't want to be there for
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Speaker 1: the most part. A lot of them aren't happy about things.
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Speaker 1: And look, do you blame them? Not being paid correctly,
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Speaker 1: working quadruple shifts, the whole nine. So the whole thing
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Speaker 1: is effed up, right? The whole thing is just completely
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Speaker 1: screwed up. And it has to be fixed. And a
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Speaker 1: band-aid isn't going to fix it. Closing this facility, like
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about in this episode... is a
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Speaker 1: step in the right direction, in my opinion, to get
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Speaker 1: things up to a standard. But once they're up to
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Speaker 1: a standard, are they going to stay there? And are
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Speaker 1: people going to be held responsible if they do not?
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Speaker 1: Because like I always tell you guys, if you or
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Speaker 1: I are at work and we have responsibilities, we have
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Speaker 1: to do our responsibilities. We have to adhere to those
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Speaker 1: or else we're going to be out of a job.
6:58
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what, that unemployment is about to
7:00
Speaker 1: run out soon, folks. That's not the kind Not the
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Speaker 1: place you want to find yourself these days. But these people,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, right? Go all the way back to
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Speaker 1: even 9-11. Nobody got fired? Are you kidding me? That
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Speaker 1: kind of intelligence failure and nobody gets shitcanned? Okay, I guess.
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Speaker 1: Be a sportsbook supervisor and have somebody hit a horse
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Speaker 1: that requires a signer and don't get it signed and
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Speaker 1: see how quick your shit gets screwed. But 9-11, 3,000
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Speaker 1: plus Americans dead. No big deal. Nobody's losing a job.
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Speaker 1: Come on. We're the Borg here. And it's just unseemly.
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Speaker 1: That there is no responsibility. Nobody ever gets brought before
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Speaker 1: the carpet. And if they do, what do they get?
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Speaker 1: Reshuffled around? Moved to a different facility? People aren't losing
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Speaker 1: pensions over this. And they should be. And if there's criminal...
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Speaker 1: Elements going on here... If they've done something criminal... They
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Speaker 1: should be charged in that regard as well... So... Let's see...
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Speaker 1: What happens moving forward... But... Definitely a step in the
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Speaker 1: right direction... At least... To try and clean up some
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Speaker 1: of these facilities... Because let's remember guys... And ladies out there...
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Speaker 1: And everybody out there... Not everybody in this lockup... Is
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell... We have to keep that in mind... Right?
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Speaker 1: We have to have that balance... We can't just be
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Speaker 1: pitchforks and torches at the door with blood on our
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Speaker 1: minds and that's it. There's other people in these facilities
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Speaker 1: that have done way less than Ghislaine Maxwell. Some have
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Speaker 1: done more, right? Probably. But there are people there that
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Speaker 1: are just caught up in this disgusting shit that are
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Speaker 1: only going to be there for a year, year and
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Speaker 1: a half. They deserve to live in this disgusting grossness.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just not comfortable with it. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, as I'm getting older, I'm becoming more empathetic.
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Speaker 1: If you would have asked me five years ago how
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Speaker 1: I felt about all of this, I wouldn't have given
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Speaker 1: one single damn about any of these people in this prison.
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Speaker 1: I was so wrapped up in my own nonsense that
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Speaker 1: I couldn't see the forest through the trees. So busy
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Speaker 1: playing tribalism. Oh, us versus them. Meanwhile, it's always been
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Speaker 1: them versus us if you get my drift. So now
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Speaker 1: I see it in a completely different way. And when
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Speaker 1: you experience it yourself, right, you go through it, you
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Speaker 1: have family members or relatives or friends that get caught
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Speaker 1: up in the system and you know they're good people
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Speaker 1: who just made a mistake, right? Tried to cheat the
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Speaker 1: system maybe. Shit happens. But for them to have to
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Speaker 1: go into an environment such as this and worry about being,
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Speaker 1: you know, murdered or assaulted or God forbid something else,
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Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, whatever it is, Now, I'm not comfortable with that.
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Speaker 1: That's not that's not what Jay. is supposed to be, right?
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Speaker 1: We got to rehabilitate some of these people. So I
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Speaker 1: hope this is a step towards getting this facility under
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Speaker 1: control and keeping it that way. But it's going to
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Speaker 1: take a monumental push by the powers that be. And
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Speaker 1: if the indications that we're seeing across the board hold true,
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Speaker 1: there's no chance. So, let's jump into this article from
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Speaker 1: the Daily News, and let's see what Noah Goldberg and
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Speaker 1: Stephen Rex Brown have to say. The dysfunctional federal jail
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Speaker 1: where Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself, allegedly, in 2019, will be
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Speaker 1: closed at least temporarily, the Justice Department said on Thursday. Well,
10:49
Speaker 1: the Justice Department's hard at work, folks. You can always
10:52
Speaker 1: count on your Justice Department to make sure things are
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Speaker 1: moving in the right direction. And you can always count
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Speaker 1: on them for transparency. The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower
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Speaker 1: Manhattan could be shut down as soon as the coming month,
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Speaker 1: sources say. In an effort to address the issues at
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Speaker 1: MCC NY as quickly and efficiently as possible, the department
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Speaker 1: has decided to close the MCC at least temporarily, until
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Speaker 1: those issues have been resolved. Planning for the deactivation is underway,
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Speaker 1: and we will have more updates as the process continues,
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Speaker 1: a DOJ spokeswoman said in a statement. Well, that's nice.
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Speaker 1: They're going to have more updates for you as things
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Speaker 1: move along, folks. See, that's that transparency that they're known
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Speaker 1: for over at the Department of Justice and at the
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Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons. Do you guys know the Inspector General?
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Speaker 1: over at the Department of Justice, still has not concluded
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Speaker 1: his case and look into what happened with Jeffrey Epstein? Really?
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Speaker 1: All these years later? Really? What are you up to
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Speaker 1: up there, Mr. Horowitz? What are you guys doing? Again,
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Speaker 1: just like everything else, they'll try and make it forever
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Speaker 1: for the report to come out. How long did we
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Speaker 1: wait for the redacted pages of the 9-11 report? They
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Speaker 1: don't want you to know the truth and that's the
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Speaker 1: biggest problem. They do not want you to know the truth.
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Speaker 1: They're so used to being able to package it the
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Speaker 1: way they want it and serve it up to you
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Speaker 1: the way they want to serve it up to you
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Speaker 1: that it has disrupted their whole entire system since they're
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Speaker 1: not able to do that right now because there's so
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Speaker 1: many different outlets for you to get your news now, right?
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Speaker 1: You're not reliant on their narrative anymore. Sources were skeptical
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Speaker 1: the jail would ever resume operations resembling previous years, when
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Speaker 1: the jail held 700 or more inmates. The jail currently
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Speaker 1: holds only 263 inmates, according to Bureau of Prisons data. Alright, well,
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Speaker 1: I said 230-something, so even more than that, right? 263
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Speaker 1: are there, but it's usually running, when it's at capacity,
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Speaker 1: at 700. And this... throughout history has been considered one
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Speaker 1: of the more secure federal holding facilities, right? Because remember,
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Speaker 1: this is just a jail. This is not a prison.
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Speaker 1: This is a holding facility. As you're waiting to be sentenced,
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Speaker 1: going to trial, waiting to get your bid, this is
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Speaker 1: where you would wait. So this place had 700 people
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Speaker 1: who were in transit waiting on bids one way or
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Speaker 1: the other to go upstate to whatever federal facility they
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Speaker 1: were sentenced to. And it was one of the most
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Speaker 1: secure facilities for a very long time, according to sources, right?
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Speaker 1: The place is just fucking falling apart, one jail insider said. Literally,
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Speaker 1: for years now, there's water leakages, there's water leakages, saturation
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Speaker 1: of the concrete infrastructure of some of those floors going
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Speaker 1: on for years. That's a big reason for having to
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Speaker 1: do this. The deterioration of the structure. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: the devil's always in the details, right? It's not because
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Speaker 1: people were being treated inhumanely there. No, that would never happen.
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Speaker 1: It's not because, you know, the facility is just a
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Speaker 1: dump in general. There's actually foundational issues. So they're probably
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Speaker 1: required by law to go in there and fix those, right?
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Speaker 1: That's the only reason they're doing it. What do they
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Speaker 1: care for the most part? The shutdown presents major logistical
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Speaker 1: challenges for Manhattan Federal Court, which is connected to the jail.
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Speaker 1: District Executive Ed Friedland, who is in charge of the
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Speaker 1: court's operations, said he had not been notified of the plan.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to be a logistical nightmare for the
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Speaker 1: Department of Corrections. Now, thankfully, it's the Federal Department of Corrections, right?
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Speaker 1: And I say thankfully with a smirk on my face
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Speaker 1: and not the state. run Department of Corrections because we
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Speaker 1: see what's going on at Rikers. Refer to my article
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Speaker 1: about Riker, I mean my episode about Rikers being a
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Speaker 1: dumpster fire. So we're glad that it's not the state, right?
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Speaker 1: God forbid. But I mean, are the feds really going
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Speaker 1: to be able to handle it as well logistically? Bringing
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Speaker 1: prisoners from Brooklyn? I mean, it's going to be a lot, right?
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Speaker 1: Do they have the resources for this? I hope they do.
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Speaker 1: One source said more than 100 inmates have been moved
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Speaker 1: from MCC to Brooklyn's federal jail, the Metropolitan Detention Center
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Speaker 1: in Sunset Park, in the last year. The bulk of
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Speaker 1: the people will go to the MDC, and the marshals
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Speaker 1: are looking for other places to put people, one source said,
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Speaker 1: adding that MCC is the only local federal jail with
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Speaker 1: a methadone clinic for heroin-addicted inmates. Well, that's going to
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Speaker 1: cause a bit of a problem for these people who
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Speaker 1: are coming down off that heroin, huh? Not going to
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Speaker 1: be a fun time. So what are they going to do?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they have a plan in place, right?
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Speaker 1: It's the feds. We see on a regular basis how
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Speaker 1: fantastic that all comes into fruition, right? So you got
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Speaker 1: heroin addicted inmates getting moved from one facility to the other.
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Speaker 1: This other facility that they're going to doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: methadone clinic. So you're going to have a bunch of
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Speaker 1: people drying out off of heroin. Or what are they
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Speaker 1: going to do? Set up a temporary methadone clinic? Look,
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Speaker 1: I have no idea how any of that works. Certainly
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Speaker 1: not a doctor, not a drug counselor. No idea how
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Speaker 1: any of that works. I'm sure they could administer the
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Speaker 1: methadone via a nurse, right? It doesn't have to be
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Speaker 1: done from a clinic. Maybe there's a law. Again, I
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Speaker 1: have no idea. But the point is, there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of moving parts here. So it's going to be
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Speaker 1: really interesting to see how the Federal Department of Corrections,
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Speaker 1: makes it all happen. One source said some staffers had
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Speaker 1: received reduction in force letters notifying them they'd lost their jobs.
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Speaker 1: But Tyrone Covington, the union rep for correctional officers at MCC,
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Speaker 1: said none of the rank and file had received such notices.
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Speaker 1: He knew of no plans to close the jail entirely. Alright, so...
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Speaker 1: Got a little bit of confusion there, misdirection perhaps, who knows.
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Speaker 1: The union boss says he has no clue what's going on,
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Speaker 1: while the feds are saying, eh, this place is getting
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Speaker 1: shut down. You would think, once again, that the current
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Speaker 1: administration would be in contact with the guys in the
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Speaker 1: union and, you know, having a chat about what's coming
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Speaker 1: down the pipe. Maybe call some people into the office
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Speaker 1: and let them know, you're going to be losing your job.
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Speaker 1: Then I hear that and I say to myself, we
17:55
Speaker 1: know that there's a huge shortage of guards over at
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Speaker 1: Rikers all over the place, really. So while they're going
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Speaker 1: to fire these federal agents, these federal guards, why not
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Speaker 1: just transfer them to a state job instead? Again, everything's
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Speaker 1: upside down and everything that's supposed to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: left is right. It's just all it's a screwy world, folks.
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Speaker 1: We're living in a screwy world. There is a major
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Speaker 1: drawdown in inmate population, Covington said, adding that he is
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Speaker 1: happy repairs are underway. The news comes less than a
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Speaker 1: month after Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco visited the jail
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Speaker 1: to get a firsthand look at its operations and infrastructure,
18:39
Speaker 1: given ongoing concerns. Well, that's nice. She was able to
18:42
Speaker 1: rouse herself from her cozy little spot down there in D.C.,
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Speaker 1: head over to New York and see how the plebs
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Speaker 1: are living. Then again, you know, maybe she does care, right?
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Speaker 1: Maybe she's one of those few people that actually gives
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Speaker 1: a hell about what's going on, considering that she shows
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Speaker 1: up and then the place is closing down. All right,
19:05
Speaker 1: we'll give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe. She
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Speaker 1: plans to have further meetings about the facility after her
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Speaker 1: return to Washington, the Justice Department said in an August
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Speaker 1: 4th release. The lockup has been plagued by headline-grabbing dysfunction
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Speaker 1: since Epstein hanged himself, allegedly. in his cell while awaiting
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Speaker 1: trial for sex trafficking of minors. Two correctional officers on
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Speaker 1: duty that night admitted to neglecting their duties the night
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Speaker 1: of the sex offender's death as part of a non-prosecution agreement.
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Speaker 1: So look, we know that this jail is and was
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Speaker 1: a shitshow. We know that they weren't administering this jail correctly.
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Speaker 1: And we also know that everything we heard about the
19:53
Speaker 1: night of Epstein's alleged suicide just doesn't add up now
19:59
Speaker 1: they're closing the facility where the crime allegedly a crime
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Speaker 1: occurred interesting The jail also went into a week-long lockdown
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Speaker 1: after someone snuck a gun into the building in February
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Speaker 1: of 2020. No one has been charged for the security breach.
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Speaker 1: Alarming accounts emerged from the jail in 2020 about coronavirus
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Speaker 1: ravaging inmate housing areas. All right, well, I think that
20:26
Speaker 1: one is kind of, how do you stop that? You
20:29
Speaker 1: have a bunch of people in close contact. I mean,
20:32
Speaker 1: that's kind of difficult to stop, short of letting everybody
20:35
Speaker 1: out of jail. And I think a lot of that
20:38
Speaker 1: was done, I mean... I probably wouldn't have let out
20:41
Speaker 1: violent offenders like some of these people did. But look,
20:44
Speaker 1: what do I know? I don't have their case files
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Speaker 1: in front of me. Maybe they've repented. Maybe they've become
20:51
Speaker 1: better people. Like I always say, I'm interested in who
20:53
Speaker 1: you are today, not who you were yesterday. But at
20:57
Speaker 1: the same time, you have to pay your debt to society.
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Speaker 1: If a jury has rendered that decision, then you have
21:05
Speaker 1: to pay that debt. One officer in the building was
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Speaker 1: sentenced to three years in prison last year for preying
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Speaker 1: on at least seven female inmates at the jail starting
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Speaker 1: in 2012. Probably a real swell fella, huh? I mean,
21:21
Speaker 1: how low could you possibly be? What sort of gutter,
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Speaker 1: swimming rat are you? That you're trying to hook up
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Speaker 1: with prisoners in your charge as you're a prison guard?
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Speaker 1: What a pathetic... pathetic human being whoever that is yet
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Speaker 1: another was arrested after catching a visitor trying to sneak
21:45
Speaker 1: contraband into the jail and demanded sex from her instead
21:49
Speaker 1: of getting her in trouble imagine that's the first thing
21:52
Speaker 1: you think oh look I caught this lady with contraband
21:55
Speaker 1: instead of ratting her out and getting her in trouble
21:58
Speaker 1: maybe I could coerce her into you know a little
22:01
Speaker 1: roll around in the sheets fuck is wrong with you
22:06
Speaker 1: obviously Not enough life lessons taught to that person throughout
22:11
Speaker 1: their life. Thinking like that. Inmates have described the jail
22:18
Speaker 1: as a fetid, bug and mice infested hellhole where feces
22:22
Speaker 1: leaks out of the busted pipes into cells that get
22:25
Speaker 1: no heat. Yo, look, that's unacceptable for me. Again, I'll
22:30
Speaker 1: tell you guys till the cows come home and I'm
22:32
Speaker 1: willing to defend my opinions on the current state of
22:37
Speaker 1: the Bureau of Prisons and lockups around the country and
22:40
Speaker 1: the way prisoners are treated. I'm willing to defend my
22:43
Speaker 1: positions on this. I feel very strongly about prison reform.
22:51
Speaker 1: We've tried it the other way. That doesn't work. So
22:56
Speaker 1: when you hear about, you know, rat feces and shit
22:59
Speaker 1: like that coming out of pipes, it's really unacceptable. A
23:04
Speaker 1: basic level of living is a must. And then on
23:08
Speaker 1: top of that, there has to be programs. And I'm
23:12
Speaker 1: not talking about some little stupid woodshop program, alright? And
23:15
Speaker 1: that's all there is. Real programs for people. Where they
23:18
Speaker 1: go and learn a skill. Teach them how to do audio.
23:23
Speaker 1: Teach them how to do lighting. Teach them how to
23:24
Speaker 1: be stagehands. Let the convicts put on plays. I'm talking
23:28
Speaker 1: about places, minimum security, right folks? Medium security may be
23:32
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. People that have a chance to
23:36
Speaker 1: rehabilitate should have that chance. And if you give them
23:39
Speaker 1: the skill set while they're inside, some of the people
23:41
Speaker 1: who might not have ever had that chance before, who knows?
23:47
Speaker 1: Maybe they come out and they feel like they have
23:48
Speaker 1: something to lose and they don't want to go back
23:50
Speaker 1: to that hellhole. But we as a society have to
23:55
Speaker 1: make sure that, you know, our prisons and our jails
23:59
Speaker 1: are at the very least a livable quality. And I
24:06
Speaker 1: think that the evidence throughout the years with the way
24:10
Speaker 1: things have gone at these prisons, it shows you that
24:15
Speaker 1: when there's no avenue for people to be creative or rehabilitate,
24:21
Speaker 1: the prisons are an absolute nightmare and people come back
24:25
Speaker 1: through the revolving door at such a huge clip. So
24:31
Speaker 1: I'm glad that this facility exists. is getting a facelift,
24:35
Speaker 1: it looks like, at the very least. And if it
24:37
Speaker 1: closes down, I'm fine with that too. But, again, what's
24:42
Speaker 1: going to take its place? What sort of hellhole will
24:46
Speaker 1: spring up in place of the MCC? We all know
24:51
Speaker 1: how it goes. They love to put lipstick on a pig,
24:54
Speaker 1: don't they? So, all we can do, like everything else,
25:00
Speaker 1: is wait and see. One thing I can tell you, though,
25:05
Speaker 1: for sure, is you don't ever want to find yourself
25:10
Speaker 1: in one of these lockups. If you'd like to contact me,
25:13
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25:21
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25:33
Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everybody,
25:38
Speaker 1: and greetings from Sin City. Recently, we found out that
25:43
Speaker 1: the MCC, the place where Jeffrey Epstein was being held
25:48
Speaker 1: and where Jeffrey Epstein died, is either being closed down
25:54
Speaker 1: or getting a facelift. Now, it's kind of... up in
26:00
Speaker 1: the air which one it's going to be at this point.
26:02
Speaker 1: We really don't have too much concrete information. But the
26:06
Speaker 1: New York Post has a new article out talking about
26:10
Speaker 1: this situation a little bit more. And I figured with
26:13
Speaker 1: it being a little slow in the world of Jeffrey
26:16
Speaker 1: Epstein news, considering we're all caught up, that we'd add
26:20
Speaker 1: a little more meat to the bone about this situation
26:22
Speaker 1: over at the MCC and take another look at what's
26:26
Speaker 1: going on over there. Because it's really a big problem.
26:31
Speaker 1: The whole entire situation when it comes to the Department
26:34
Speaker 1: of Corrections and these facilities where inmates are being held,
26:38
Speaker 1: inmates are being shipped, inmates are in transit, it's all
26:44
Speaker 1: broken at its foundation. And there doesn't seem to be
26:50
Speaker 1: any interest in really fixing it. And this isn't a
26:53
Speaker 1: problem to be, you know, put at the feet of
26:55
Speaker 1: the current administration solely. Right? This is... a problem that
27:00
Speaker 1: goes back years and years and years and years. So
27:03
Speaker 1: there's plenty of people to blame here. But there has
27:07
Speaker 1: to be some sort of, I guess, a come to
27:11
Speaker 1: Jesus moment almost, where the federal government realizes that it's
27:16
Speaker 1: time to step up and get these facilities at the
27:19
Speaker 1: very least in working order. How are we going to
27:23
Speaker 1: conduct the people's business of timely trials, getting people in
27:28
Speaker 1: front of judges in a timely manner? If the lockups
27:31
Speaker 1: are being shut down. Now. I'm all for the lockups
27:35
Speaker 1: being shut down. If that means people aren't being. Processed
27:39
Speaker 1: for crimes that are ridiculous. Cool. That's great. The less criminals.
27:43
Speaker 1: The better off we all are as a society. More rehabilitation. But.
27:50
Speaker 1: That's not the case. They're going to continue. With their.
27:57
Speaker 1: Industrial complex. Jail system. where they're just pushing people through.
28:02
Speaker 1: So they're going to need these facilities, right? We already
28:05
Speaker 1: have a problem with overcrowding at facilities around the nation,
28:10
Speaker 1: be it statewide or federal. So now they're closing this
28:14
Speaker 1: bad boy down. And it really looks like when it
28:16
Speaker 1: comes down to it, folks, like everything else with these bureaucrats,
28:21
Speaker 1: like everything else that we've seen in this case and
28:24
Speaker 1: with the federal government, they don't have a clue what
28:27
Speaker 1: they're doing. They don't have a plan in place. They
28:30
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen with these inmates. They
28:33
Speaker 1: don't have the logistics figured out. So they'll play it
28:36
Speaker 1: by ear. You know, they'll wait to see what happens
28:39
Speaker 1: and then they'll shoot from the hip. Like they always do.
28:43
Speaker 1: Because you know that works out so well for everybody.
28:49
Speaker 1: You would think with such a bloated bureaucracy that has
28:52
Speaker 1: so much money being pumped into it that they'd be
28:55
Speaker 1: able to figure out basic logistics. That they'd be able
28:58
Speaker 1: to keep a jail holding place like this in, at
29:02
Speaker 1: the very least, working order. But no. They can't even
29:08
Speaker 1: do that. They have a hard time accomplishing that small feat.
29:13
Speaker 1: So is it any wonder that the MCC is about
29:17
Speaker 1: to be shut down for either a serious facelift or
29:20
Speaker 1: closed down altogether? They don't know how to administer these jails, folks.
29:27
Speaker 1: And the proof is right here in the pudding, as
29:29
Speaker 1: they say. So let's jump into this article from the
29:32
Speaker 1: New York Post and let's see what Ben Feuerherd has
29:37
Speaker 1: uncovered about the MCC. Headline. No clear plan in place
29:43
Speaker 1: to shutter federal jail where Jeffrey Epstein died. Like I said,
29:48
Speaker 1: this article was authored by Ben Feuerherd. The Federal Bureau
29:55
Speaker 1: of Prisons may move some 200 inmates from the troubled
29:58
Speaker 1: Manhattan lockup where Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, allegedly, to a
30:02
Speaker 1: Brooklyn jail by early October. But it's unclear if the
30:06
Speaker 1: agency has established a plan in place for transfers, an
30:11
Speaker 1: agency lawyer said Friday. Again, why would they even have
30:16
Speaker 1: any of this going on if they don't have a
30:18
Speaker 1: plan in place? Isn't that the first thing you do?
30:21
Speaker 1: You set up your plan, get your logistics worked out,
30:24
Speaker 1: then you actually, you know, hatch your plot? But no,
30:29
Speaker 1: they want to do everything backwards, like usual. It's an
30:33
Speaker 1: absolute joke, folks. It really is. Watching the government fall
30:37
Speaker 1: all over themselves like a bunch of drunken sailors on
30:40
Speaker 1: a regular basis, if it wasn't so... to the rest
30:45
Speaker 1: of our lives, it would be hilarious to witness. But
30:48
Speaker 1: it's not. These are the people with the keys to
30:50
Speaker 1: the castle. It's like giving your drunken Uncle Steven the
30:55
Speaker 1: keys to your sports car and telling him to go
30:57
Speaker 1: have a nice joyride. It just doesn't end well. The
31:03
Speaker 1: apparent lack of a transfer plan was revealed in a
31:06
Speaker 1: Brooklyn federal court hearing one day after the Justice Department announced...
31:11
Speaker 1: It would shutter the notorious Metropolitan Correctional Center. And this
31:15
Speaker 1: is what I mean. We just talked about this, right?
31:17
Speaker 1: We just basically, a couple of episodes ago, talked about
31:22
Speaker 1: the jailhouse and how it was being shuttered. But again,
31:26
Speaker 1: like I said in that episode, they don't have any plans.
31:29
Speaker 1: When was the last time they talked about their plans
31:33
Speaker 1: for anything like this? They're never transparent with the people.
31:37
Speaker 1: They just, you know, oh, we have this grand plan
31:39
Speaker 1: and this is what's going to happen. And they hatch
31:42
Speaker 1: this plot at the Department of Justice, and they don't
31:45
Speaker 1: even figure out if it'll work or not logistically. They'll
31:49
Speaker 1: drop it on someone's lap and say, all right, make
31:51
Speaker 1: it happen. And it happens in government bureaucracy from the
31:56
Speaker 1: bottom to the top on a regular basis, minute after minute,
32:00
Speaker 1: hour after hour. How about we cut some of the
32:05
Speaker 1: red tape, huh? Can't there just be one person in charge,
32:09
Speaker 1: a one point man or woman, who is responsible for
32:13
Speaker 1: what's going on? One person where you look at that
32:19
Speaker 1: person and say, hey, the buck stops here. So if
32:21
Speaker 1: something goes south like it did with Epstein, it's not
32:24
Speaker 1: a hodgepodge of finger pointing and trying to figure out
32:28
Speaker 1: who's to blame. There's got to be somebody who's in charge.
32:32
Speaker 1: Somebody has to take responsibility. Now it'd be nice during
32:36
Speaker 1: these processes with these bureaucracies, but you'll get like a
32:39
Speaker 1: spokesman to come out and make a statement, but you
32:42
Speaker 1: can't hold the spokesperson responsible, right? They're just, they're the
32:45
Speaker 1: spokesperson for whatever bureaucrat is hiding behind their office door.
32:52
Speaker 1: And we see that magnified to a billion times greater
32:56
Speaker 1: than your average eyesight when you're talking about the Department
33:00
Speaker 1: of Corrections and this absolute dumpster fire that we see.
33:07
Speaker 1: I don't believe there's a written plan, said Seth Eichenholz,
33:11
Speaker 1: an attorney representing BOP in a civil suit brought against
33:15
Speaker 1: it by the New York federal defenders. I've heard discussions
33:18
Speaker 1: of a timeline, but they are tentative, he added, of
33:22
Speaker 1: the proposed inmate transfers to the Metropolitan Detention Center in
33:26
Speaker 1: Sunset Park, Brooklyn. So was it a photo op, right?
33:32
Speaker 1: Was it a virtue signal for the Department of Justice
33:35
Speaker 1: to make this announcement? shouldn't you probably get the logistics
33:39
Speaker 1: in order first? I don't mean to keep harping on that,
33:41
Speaker 1: but it's, it's very basic. Anyone who's ever been involved
33:45
Speaker 1: in some sort of, uh, you know, blueprint of making
33:48
Speaker 1: some sort of kind of, some sort of game plan work,
33:51
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of logistics that go into it.
33:54
Speaker 1: And if you don't have the logistics worked out, forget it.
33:56
Speaker 1: It's going to be a nightmare. So again, this, this
34:00
Speaker 1: might be a situation where the, uh, The Deputy Attorney
34:06
Speaker 1: General was just trying to score some points, right? Oh,
34:10
Speaker 1: we're going to get this fixed. We're closing this down.
34:13
Speaker 1: And speaking out of the side of her neck, if
34:15
Speaker 1: you will. Without having anything concrete in writing. Without having
34:20
Speaker 1: anything locked in. You know, maybe just her reaction to
34:25
Speaker 1: the squalid conditions. And I could see that. I could
34:28
Speaker 1: understand that, right? Nobody wants to walk into a facility...
34:32
Speaker 1: That they're de facto in charge of. And see it
34:35
Speaker 1: being run like. Some sort of. Disgusting. Prison camp. From
34:43
Speaker 1: insert war here. Or anything like that right. So you know.
34:47
Speaker 1: Maybe she reacted emotionally. Or something but. Can't really do
34:52
Speaker 1: that in that position. You have to have all of
34:54
Speaker 1: your ducks in a row. Before you're making any comments.
34:57
Speaker 1: To the public about. oh, we're closing this facility down
35:01
Speaker 1: and this is going to happen or that's going to happen,
35:04
Speaker 1: probably should have some sort of inter-department meeting first and,
35:08
Speaker 1: you know, get everybody aware of what the deal is.
35:16
Speaker 1: My primary concern is the timeline, said attorney Deirdre von Dornum.
35:21
Speaker 1: That's only five weeks from now. I think that's a
35:23
Speaker 1: very short time to accommodate over 200 detainees, she said.
35:28
Speaker 1: And what will probably happen is the Department of Justice
35:31
Speaker 1: will just rush it through like they do everything else,
35:33
Speaker 1: and it'll end up being a shitshow. But what do
35:37
Speaker 1: they care? They're cushy offices in D.C. They're not the
35:41
Speaker 1: ones that have to be on the ground and dealing
35:43
Speaker 1: with it, figuring out the logistics of Manhattan traffic coming
35:47
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn to get people to go to court, to
35:50
Speaker 1: go to trial, to see a judge. What do they care?
35:55
Speaker 1: These bureaucrats are never in the business of making things easier, right?
35:59
Speaker 1: They're in the business of making people's lives harder so
36:01
Speaker 1: they can justify their jobs. And it's just so rampant
36:06
Speaker 1: throughout government, state and local. And it's not just one
36:10
Speaker 1: party or the other, by the way. Both parties engaging
36:13
Speaker 1: in it on a regular basis. In a statement Thursday,
36:18
Speaker 1: a DOJ spokesperson announced the agency plans to shutter the
36:21
Speaker 1: MCC at least temporarily, in an effort to address issues
36:25
Speaker 1: at the troubled lockup. Planning for deactivation is underway, and
36:30
Speaker 1: we will have more updates as that process continues, the
36:33
Speaker 1: spokesperson said. So again, I'm not exactly against closing down
36:39
Speaker 1: this facility if it's a dump, right, and people aren't
36:42
Speaker 1: being treated like humans there. Close it down. But you
36:46
Speaker 1: have to have a plan in place before you do that.
36:50
Speaker 1: You have to have a new facility built, right? Aren't
36:53
Speaker 1: we talking about all sorts of infrastructure money that's about
36:55
Speaker 1: to come down the pipe? Well, there's a little bit
36:58
Speaker 1: of an investment for you. Let's build some more facilities,
37:00
Speaker 1: some new facilities. If you're going to replace this one, right,
37:04
Speaker 1: or just refurbish it or whatever, well, let's make sure
37:08
Speaker 1: that it's a livable place where people can go and
37:12
Speaker 1: wait for their jail sentencing. It's not too much to ask, right?
37:17
Speaker 1: You got a society with We have so much money,
37:19
Speaker 1: guys can take flights up to space and look down
37:23
Speaker 1: at the rest of us for a couple of seconds.
37:25
Speaker 1: Pretty sure we have the money to make sure that
37:27
Speaker 1: the foundations aren't breaking at federally owned buildings. And I
37:31
Speaker 1: don't care if it's a jailhouse, a courthouse, or anything
37:34
Speaker 1: in between. There's plenty of federal tax dollars to drop
37:38
Speaker 1: bombs on people in the middle of the desert, but
37:41
Speaker 1: you don't have any money to wrangle up to fix
37:44
Speaker 1: buildings and shit here on the home front? Eh, that
37:48
Speaker 1: doesn't pass the sniff test with me. The MCC has
37:54
Speaker 1: long been plagued by security and corruption issues, which exploded
37:59
Speaker 1: in the international press when multimillionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself, allegedly,
38:06
Speaker 1: in a jail cell there in 2019 while awaiting trial. Yeah,
38:10
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that shined a big-time spotlight on this situation.
38:13
Speaker 1: Blew it right up, didn't it? Those guards falling asleep
38:17
Speaker 1: was a whole new twist. And when you look at
38:22
Speaker 1: the big picture, all of those coincidences happening all at
38:26
Speaker 1: the same time, huh? What are the chances of that?
38:29
Speaker 1: I'm not a statistician, right? I'm not very good at
38:31
Speaker 1: math even. But I'm sure it's a large, large, large number.
38:40
Speaker 1: And these two guards, and to be honest with you,
38:43
Speaker 1: I think that that whole situation with those two guards
38:46
Speaker 1: was ridiculous from the jump, like I said. Sure, they
38:48
Speaker 1: should have been penalized. But what about their boss? Or
38:51
Speaker 1: their boss's boss? Who is the shift manager on duty?
38:54
Speaker 1: Why wasn't the crime scene, because that's what it is
38:57
Speaker 1: until we know any different, treated as such? Where were
39:01
Speaker 1: the body cameras? Where are the pictures? None of it
39:04
Speaker 1: makes sense. So yeah, the MCC, an absolute shithole. That
39:08
Speaker 1: probably should be shut down. but you need to have
39:12
Speaker 1: a plan in place. You can't just shut it down
39:15
Speaker 1: because it feels good. What are you going to do?
39:17
Speaker 1: Put an unneeded burden on Brooklyn now? So the inmates
39:21
Speaker 1: there are even less safe. The quality of life there
39:25
Speaker 1: is even less than. So the Department of Justice is
39:30
Speaker 1: going to have to figure this out right and and
39:34
Speaker 1: have a plan in place earlier this year a federal
39:41
Speaker 1: judge in the Southern District of New York, ranted from
39:44
Speaker 1: the bench about conditions at the facility and the federal
39:48
Speaker 1: jail in Brooklyn, saying they were run by morons. Look,
39:51
Speaker 1: I cannot disagree with this judge in that sense. These
39:56
Speaker 1: facilities certainly are run by morons. Now, I'm sure that
40:01
Speaker 1: there are a ton of very, very, very good guards.
40:05
Speaker 1: Men and women who go to work every day and
40:07
Speaker 1: do their best, To make sure that they go home safe,
40:11
Speaker 1: their colleagues go home safe, and that the inmates are
40:14
Speaker 1: safe when they're in their charge. I'm sure there are,
40:18
Speaker 1: the vast majority of prison guards are those people. The
40:23
Speaker 1: problem is, I don't believe that they get good enough
40:25
Speaker 1: training and the compensation. Look, you gotta compensate people. Most
40:32
Speaker 1: of us spend our whole lives trying to avoid going
40:34
Speaker 1: to jail. These people go there willingly every day to
40:38
Speaker 1: make sure that these prisoners don't kill each other, that
40:42
Speaker 1: there's not riots, that, you know, that it's administered in
40:46
Speaker 1: a proper manner. So if we compensate people a little
40:50
Speaker 1: more fairly, perhaps, well, maybe more people will be willing
40:54
Speaker 1: to do the job, more qualified people, people who wouldn't
40:57
Speaker 1: have thought about it previously. We all know that money talks.
41:05
Speaker 1: Manhattan federal judge Colleen McMahon lamented that the wardens at
41:09
Speaker 1: the facilities cycle in and out and employees fail to
41:12
Speaker 1: address safety concerns. And again, I think a lot of
41:15
Speaker 1: that has to do with resources, right? That sounds like
41:17
Speaker 1: a resource problem to me. And there's probably a segment
41:21
Speaker 1: of the guards who are not good people. Like in
41:24
Speaker 1: any other segment of society, you probably have certain guards who,
41:28
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, are not good. quality individuals they don't
41:34
Speaker 1: care about the inmates or you know they're involved in
41:37
Speaker 1: smuggling contraband in or whatever it might be there's definitely
41:42
Speaker 1: a segment of that too but the biggest problem that
41:50
Speaker 1: I can see is the way these places are administered
41:53
Speaker 1: like the judge said here you got wardens being sent
41:57
Speaker 1: all over the place because they can't manage this facility
42:00
Speaker 1: so you put them in a different facility It's like
42:02
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church with priests. Here's an idea. If there's
42:07
Speaker 1: a Catholic Church who has done something to a child, yeah,
42:12
Speaker 1: probably should throw that person in prison. And if you're
42:14
Speaker 1: a warden at one of these lockups, and you don't
42:18
Speaker 1: know your ass from your elbow, well, you should probably
42:21
Speaker 1: either be fired or demoted to janitor. Because the warden
42:27
Speaker 1: position is obviously not a place that majority of these
42:32
Speaker 1: people that they have in these positions should be in.
42:37
Speaker 1: There is no continuity. There is no leadership. There is
42:40
Speaker 1: no ability to get anything done. They lurch from crisis
42:44
Speaker 1: to crisis, from the gun smuggling to Jeffrey Epstein, she
42:48
Speaker 1: said at the sentencing of a drug defendant. So, look,
42:52
Speaker 1: you even have judges in New York, federal judges, who
42:56
Speaker 1: are sitting on the bench, who are sentencing people every
43:00
Speaker 1: day to gigantic sentences, who comes out and says that
43:04
Speaker 1: this facility is an absolute shithole and it needs to
43:07
Speaker 1: be addressed. It needs to be fixed. They're run by morons.
43:12
Speaker 1: What more do you need? Everybody's telling us that, that
43:15
Speaker 1: they're run by morons, except for the union that's protecting them.
43:20
Speaker 1: So I think that there needs to be a huge
43:22
Speaker 1: shakeup in the leadership of these bureaucracies, especially the Bureau
43:26
Speaker 1: of Prisons. And we need to entice new people, perhaps,
43:31
Speaker 1: into taking some of these jobs by offering a better
43:34
Speaker 1: financial package. This is the federal government, remember. They can
43:38
Speaker 1: bump up the dough a little bit. They print money
43:40
Speaker 1: for everything else. Give people a few more bucks an hour.
43:45
Speaker 1: It's a dangerous job. I certainly don't want to go
43:49
Speaker 1: work in a jail cell where at any moment somebody
43:52
Speaker 1: could shank you for some perceived injustice or throw a
43:56
Speaker 1: bunch of feces and urine in your face and give
43:59
Speaker 1: you hepatitis or whatever the hell else. These people aren't
44:04
Speaker 1: robots that work in these jails. I'm talking about the
44:07
Speaker 1: guards now, not the bureaucrats. They aren't robots. Normal human
44:11
Speaker 1: beings with emotions and stuff like that. So I think
44:15
Speaker 1: that some more compensation is probably in order. And if
44:20
Speaker 1: we want to get these back online... and we want
44:24
Speaker 1: these institutions... to be able to... foment a bit of trust...
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Speaker 1: within them... amongst the populace... then they would probably start...
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Speaker 1: doing the right thing... as far as hiring... very, very...
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Speaker 1: very qualified people... to run these places. But instead... like
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Speaker 1: the NFL... They continue to recycle wardens. Oh, this guy
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Speaker 1: was a warden. This woman was a warden. They were
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Speaker 1: shitty at this job. Let's put them at another facility.
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Speaker 1: And like everything else with these people, the wheel continues
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Speaker 1: to go round and round and round. The question is,
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Speaker 1: when is somebody going to break it? If you'd like
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