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The Bolt Report | 26 May · The Bolt Report

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Goodness, it's the report. Well they're back again.
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  Speaker 2: More Muslim women who left Australia to join a truly
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: savage Muslim society, the Islamic State.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Back.
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  Speaker 2: They flew today late this afternoon to Sydney Melbourne, six
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  Speaker 2: women and thirteen children. We still haven't seen them, and
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: I still haven't heard one of them even ever say
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  Speaker 2: on TV or wherever. Actually, we've learned an Islamic state
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: is pretty rubbish, say.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: To us, what an idiot I was?
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  Speaker 2: The Australian way is best, Thank you God, bless Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard that.
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  Speaker 2: But at least it seems from the vision so far
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  Speaker 2: at the airport that these women at least have not
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  Speaker 2: been given a welcoming committee like the one we saw
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  Speaker 2: for the last lot three weeks ago. We're welcome by
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  Speaker 2: burly Muslim men who seemed quite hostile to outsiders, very
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  Speaker 2: much us versus you. And that's exactly what I don't get.
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  Speaker 2: That hostility, the lack of appreciation really for this miracle
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  Speaker 2: called Australia. Yeah, it's like for them, and to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: for many younger Australiers who it's like is by some
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  Speaker 2: sheer fluke that Australia is so rich and free and
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  Speaker 2: until recently tolerant, that that's not the result or reflection
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  Speaker 2: of a culture, and I hate to say it a
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  Speaker 2: Christian culture. These women said went to Syria to put
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  Speaker 2: their trust in said and what was hailed as a
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  Speaker 2: truly Islamic state, the return of the Caliphate, no less,
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  Speaker 2: which then instantly became like a bloody version of Lord
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  Speaker 2: of the Flies. Murders, beheadings, even young boys posing with
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  Speaker 2: severed heads for photographs, while their father still captured women
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  Speaker 2: as sid slaves. A disaster now that is to Namic say.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Caliphate is thankfully destroyed, but it still lives on as
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  Speaker 2: an idea.
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  Speaker 1: And as a terrorist army.
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  Speaker 2: But these women, and there's spokesman claiming, oh, you've got
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  Speaker 2: nothing to fear now from these women or their children.
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  Speaker 3: They definitely made the wrong decisions. But once they are
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  Speaker 3: in here, if they've done or they've broken any Australian laws,
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  Speaker 3: they go through the judicial process, and we have full
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  Speaker 3: confidence in that process. And we don't agree it was
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  Speaker 3: anything that isis have done or what main concern is
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  Speaker 3: the safety of those children and to get them proper
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  Speaker 3: education and because they need to feel safe and secure.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people saying, oh, you know, they'll be monitored
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  Speaker 2: by security agencies. We've now got so many people being monitored.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe we can trust that no mistakes will
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  Speaker 2: be made, that every plot will be detected, that we
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  Speaker 2: are truly safe. And I wonder why we even need
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  Speaker 2: to take the chance now. These Islamic state women, they
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  Speaker 2: abandoned their country, so what claim do they have to
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  Speaker 2: it now? Why are we now obliged by our government
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  Speaker 2: to take the risk. We've already paid for letting in
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  Speaker 2: five Muslim refugees who each of them went on to
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  Speaker 2: stabble shoot Australians, people who's country offered their attack of safety,
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  Speaker 2: only to be repaid in blood. Yes, even before Bundei,
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  Speaker 2: some Australians have paid with their lives because we wanted
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  Speaker 2: to show we were nice. And of course we let
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  Speaker 2: another extremists, Muslim extremists like the Mufti who praised the
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  Speaker 2: September eleven attack on the US's gods work against the presses,
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  Speaker 2: and like one of the men who alleginately massacred fifteen
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  Speaker 2: people at a Jewish event in Bondai, and now we
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  Speaker 2: let him. Are women link to Isis like the four
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  Speaker 2: came back early this month from the same Syrian refugee camp.
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  Speaker 2: Three of those earlier women they were arrested at the
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  Speaker 2: airport or later for two of them for keeping a
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  Speaker 2: female slave. Can you believe a female slave since she
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: was raped by one of their family members. Welcome back
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  Speaker 2: to our home. Now, the Amberdation government claims well, it
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  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with bringing back these latest women either.
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  Speaker 2: At five point thirty pm today, another planeload of ISO
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  Speaker 2: sympathizers were touched down on Australian soil, with the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister now admit this was all part of the Labor
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  Speaker 2: government's plan.
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  Speaker 4: I have nothing but contempt for anyone who has any
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  Speaker 4: sympathy for ISIS. As I would hope everyone in this
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  Speaker 4: Chamber would agree, there should not be an issue of partisanship.
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  Speaker 1: Point two.
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  Speaker 4: The government has provided no assistance for these people.
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  Speaker 1: Point three.
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  Speaker 4: Any breaches of the law will mean that these people
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  Speaker 4: will face the full force of the law to extent
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  Speaker 4: available upon the advice of the security agencies.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've said before, I'm not sure I trust at
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  Speaker 2: all the Prime Minister's assurance that he gave his government
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  Speaker 2: gave no help to these women to come back. But
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: whichever way you want to look at it, the Prome
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  Speaker 2: Minister hasn't shut the door to them either. Except to
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  Speaker 2: one other woman who was temporarily excluded on security grounds,
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: this is now suing to be let in with her child. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I perhaps wouldn't mind that much, this much if the
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  Speaker 2: government didn't make this, you know, went on to in fact,
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: to make this a teaching moment, like all right, here's
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: the time, let us now say no to multiculturalism. Let's
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  Speaker 2: show it a multicultural which under this governors included funding
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  Speaker 2: mosques even more on the death in February of the
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  Speaker 2: terrorist leader of Muslim Iran, no more of that kind
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  Speaker 2: of idiocy. And this should also be the exact moment
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  Speaker 2: when the government praises our color culture and its true roots,
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: Western culture, not all this cowtowing. Oh every culture is
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  Speaker 2: like and all that Western cultures, specifically in the British
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  Speaker 2: culture and British institutions and the Christian faith which informed that.
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  Speaker 2: And I say that as an agnostic with Dutch parents,
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  Speaker 2: not British. Now I at least know what and who
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  Speaker 2: I owe to be here. And I know that a
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  Speaker 2: society cannot survive if its members don't know that too,
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: if those coming through our doors instead feel still an
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  Speaker 2: allegiance to a hostile culture which wanted ours destroyed. But
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  Speaker 2: two a revealing day in our global warman history. If
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  Speaker 2: we see footage of those women, will bring it to
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  Speaker 2: you by the way. Now this is in fact a
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  Speaker 2: day which has reminded us both of our stupidity the
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  Speaker 2: cost of it.
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  Speaker 1: The first of the stupidity.
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  Speaker 2: The Liddell coul fired Power Station be prepared to shed
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  Speaker 2: a tear. It was today destroyed, blown up, killed before
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  Speaker 2: it's time. What a symbol of Australias. The climb to
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  Speaker 2: see that fall of our madness. The Dallas, for many
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: years produce more than ten percent of New Southwest's electricity
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  Speaker 2: night or day wind. You're still unlike renewables, can or
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  Speaker 2: ever will you know, reliable cheap power. And it's now
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  Speaker 2: been killed by our global religion. I know it's more
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  Speaker 2: than fifty years old. But hear that from former Federal labor.
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  Speaker 2: Labor may stress coming to Minister Joel Fit's given to
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  Speaker 2: the former member for Hunter, the home of the Dell.
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  Speaker 5: These power generators are like any machines if you can
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  Speaker 5: still get the parts and make the economic stack up.
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  Speaker 5: You can just keep them going forever, you know, like
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  Speaker 5: a vintage car. And I think it would be still
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  Speaker 5: going if it wasn't for all the ESG pressure and
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  Speaker 5: or the subsidies for the renewables sector. So it's a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a tragedy from my perspective.
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  Speaker 2: So now instead of Liddell, we're increasingly relying on unreliable
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  Speaker 2: wind and solar power backed by very expensive batteries.
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  Speaker 1: And you've seen the result. Your power bills have exploded.
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  Speaker 2: Your countryside is littered with power lines crisscrossing the country,
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  Speaker 2: linking up all the wind and solar panel applants. And
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  Speaker 2: on the other hand, you had the energy mister crispone
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  Speaker 2: today saying.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, be glad of all that.
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  Speaker 2: Be joyful because your power prices are suddenly falling. The
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  Speaker 2: default market offer, that's the highest price you're allowed to
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  Speaker 2: now be charged for electricity, is being cut for most
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  Speaker 2: of us by up to one hundred and thirty seven
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  Speaker 2: dollars in New Southwest, a bit more in Queensland, and
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  Speaker 2: less in Victoria, Pauce, Alustra Sorry and other rise instead.
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  Speaker 2: But still now that's good, right, prist Bones certainly thinks so,
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  Speaker 2: and he says this good news has brought to you
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  Speaker 2: because of his green power schemes.
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  Speaker 6: There's very reasons for these reductions in energy bills. Renewals
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  Speaker 6: the main one, more renevals in the grid, men's cheaper prices. Secondly,
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  Speaker 6: batteries are working to flatten the grid. The biggest impact
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  Speaker 6: on energy prices comes at nighttime, where we're using more
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  Speaker 6: colon gas, which is the most expensive form of energy.
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  Speaker 1: What a con I mean?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, these price falls, which may well just
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  Speaker 2: be temporary, are much smaller than the two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: seventy five dollars cut to your electricity bills that bone
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  Speaker 2: promise four years ago. And in fact there are a
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  Speaker 2: fraction of the rise in power bills under this goverment
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  Speaker 2: ever since, you know, rises of up to six hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars or more. But this honesty goes further. That's because
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  Speaker 2: these days you do not just pay for your electricity
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  Speaker 2: out front of your electricity bills.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, look your bills are going down. Be glad.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, you pay silently also through your taxes because
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  Speaker 2: the cheap green electricity, as you heard Fitz Gibbons say,
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  Speaker 2: is subsidized like crazy to make us seem cheaper than
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: it really is. You're paying three your taxes. I'll give
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: you an example. You heard Chris boy and say, there
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: look a very big reason for this new fall empowered prices.
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  Speaker 2: It's because of these batteries that has kindly been handing
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  Speaker 2: out like a thirty four hundred thousand home batteries so far.
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  Speaker 2: But what bone didn't tell you you've.
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  Speaker 1: Paid for them.
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  Speaker 2: You've paid nearly three and a half billion dollars so
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  Speaker 2: far for those same batteries three your taxes. You've paid
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  Speaker 2: that for other people's batteries in most cases, and people
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  Speaker 2: who paid them also had to pay their share, and
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: the government only covers one third, So there's billions more there.
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  Speaker 2: And those batteries don't last more than ten to fifteen years,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, and then we'll have to pay the
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  Speaker 2: whole lot again.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the other subsidies you have to pay
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  Speaker 1: for these, for this green.
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  Speaker 2: Energy, for the solar panels, for the renewable projects, for
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  Speaker 2: that massive green energy machine that's hoovering the dollars out
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  Speaker 2: of your wallet, all of it to be paid for
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: by you. And at some stage most of the strains
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  Speaker 2: are going to be wondering how much longer we can
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  Speaker 2: afford all these subsidies like this green power and speak
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  Speaker 2: of that devil.
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  Speaker 1: To the other thing that really.
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  Speaker 2: Made today remarkable, Actually it was last night where the
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  Speaker 2: ABC's Four Corners program had bombshell news.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC was very distressed. I was the cheering.
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  Speaker 2: Some Australians are suddenly asking, indeed, why the hell are
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  Speaker 2: we paying through the nose to go green? And the
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  Speaker 2: people we're talking about the ABC was talking about actually
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: happened to run our biggest company, BHP. They've suddenly realized
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: it's insane and at BHP, the Green Party is just
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: about over. It was only a few years ago that
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  Speaker 2: BHP was still going with this nonsense, the global warming
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: threat to a who purse all out the whole Al
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  Speaker 2: Gorshtick and BHP was there to help save us.
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  Speaker 7: The global response to this crisis does not really yet
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  Speaker 7: begin to match the severity of the threat that we
• 12:15
  Speaker 7: face the World's dependence on fossil fuels carries resk with
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  Speaker 7: it that could be existential.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: Oh dear God, I mean BECHP even ran ads at
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: the time telling us how deadly serious they were about
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  Speaker 2: cutting their own emissions.
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  Speaker 1: For our sake.
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  Speaker 3: As the world's leading resources company, we have a responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to do this.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: And honestly, on it went and the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: As the ABC reported last night, BHP for a while
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: did have great plans in Western Australia cut emissions and
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: even build their own solar farm to charge all the
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: electric trucks in the electric trail and all that stuff
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  Speaker 2: it promised the bar. But then VHP has something woken
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  Speaker 2: up from this fever. Well maybe it's just sniffed the
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: change in the cultural winds, or perhaps it did what
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: a business should, It just did its sums because you know,
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: forget the electric trucks, what electric train. BHP has instaid,
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  Speaker 2: bought a whole new bunch of diesel trucks and put
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  Speaker 2: that solar farm.
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  Speaker 1: On the back burner. It's halved its spending on going green.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: And some cray baby apparently offenders now handed the secret
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  Speaker 2: internal documents to the ABC, which have now horrified our
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: green obsists national broadcaster.
• 13:42
  Speaker 8: This is the story of how BHP backed away from
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  Speaker 8: its once urgent plan to decarbonize the Pilbra, told in
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  Speaker 8: the company's own words through hundreds of pages of confidential
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  Speaker 8: documents obtained exclusively four Corners and Guardian Australia.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, it seems that BHP has found out that green
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: schemes indeed do not pay. I might have been saying
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: that only for twenty or thirty years, but what the hell?
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: And that green tech doesn't actually work that well either,
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  Speaker 2: electric trucks in mines for instance.
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  Speaker 8: What it really looks like when you boil it down.
• 14:22
  Speaker 9: What they're saying is the technology is just not ready.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Are those poor journalists? You know a lot of green
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  Speaker 2: dreams that I've had this brutal wake up. You know,
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: even mining billionaire Andrew Forrest has been the hottest of
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  Speaker 2: global warming hot gospelers, flogging bizarre green schemes that persuaded
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  Speaker 2: the Albanies he governed to promise billions of our dollars
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  Speaker 2: on green hydrogen, the gas made with wind and solar power,
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  Speaker 2: a gas that Forest promised would save the world.
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  Speaker 8: That's green hydrogen, the purest source energy in the world,
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  Speaker 8: and one that could replace up to three quarters of
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  Speaker 8: global emissions.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Really, Andrew, Wow, except Forrest two said to walk away.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: He has had to scrap all this green hydrogen projects.
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  Speaker 1: It's just too expensive.
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  Speaker 2: And how BHP is also going slow on green, at
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  Speaker 2: least here in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC should not have.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Done a program last night about how terrible BHP was
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  Speaker 2: to do all this, but how crazy this great company
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: was to have promised to go green in the first place,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: to put such stupid faith in green technology, the faith
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: that it would be cheap and useful. And it makes
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: me wonder when labor will have that same light bulb moment.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be before Australia goes broke or after.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Joining me? Is our ace?
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Tuesday regular commentation met Kenavan, the National's leader, met great
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: to see you again, and another one boats the dust
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  Speaker 2: Rip Liddell.
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  Speaker 9: Look, it's a sad day for our country, Andrew not
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  Speaker 9: so much that an old machine has reached the end
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  Speaker 9: of its life. For you sometimes have to get rid
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: as sad as it might be with an old car
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  Speaker 9: that you've loved an old computer. The sad thing is
• 16:24
  Speaker 9: we haven't replaced it with something new. And while I
• 16:28
  Speaker 9: kind of agree with Joel Fitsgiven about the ability to
• 16:31
  Speaker 9: replace things and keep a cul Fi POWERstation going, it's
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  Speaker 9: a shame he didn't say those things when he was
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  Speaker 9: minister in a labor government. But great to hear him
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  Speaker 9: now unleashed to Joel fits given unleashed is a great show.
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  Speaker 9: But what is really the issue here is that we
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  Speaker 9: could have just built a new one. I suppose it's
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  Speaker 9: a bit like a grandfather's axe, but if we replaced everything,
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  Speaker 9: we'd have a.
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  Speaker 1: New power station. Effectively, Laddell was old.
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  Speaker 9: It was old technology, but there was new coal technology,
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  Speaker 9: and we don't have any of those new technologies in
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  Speaker 9: this country.
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  Speaker 1: We do not have.
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  Speaker 9: An ultra supercritical coal fired power stations, which is the
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  Speaker 9: standard being built around the world. While China, India build
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: hundreds of these power stations many other countries too, we
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  Speaker 9: have been at a standstill. And while we've been at
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  Speaker 9: a standstill now for over a decade, our power prices
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  Speaker 9: have more than doubled, more than doubled, and no amounts,
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  Speaker 9: no amounts.
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  Speaker 1: Of shielding.
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  Speaker 9: That fact today by the failed Energy Minister Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 9: makes up for the fact that we've lost tens of
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  Speaker 9: thousands of manufacturing jobs in this country, that families are
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: paying through the roof for their energy bills. But those
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: higher energy costs are now flowing through to the cost
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: of everything as well, because as we can see from
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: this Middle East crisis. Almost everything you buy, consume, eat,
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: drive on, build with comes from fossil fuels, and without
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: it we all pay more.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, Matt, I've got to I've got to hold
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  Speaker 2: you up here because I heard Chris Bowen say he
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: had great news that electricity bills in most states is
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  Speaker 2: going to fall because green energy is the cheapest.
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  Speaker 9: Well, here's the trick, Andrew. Something very interesting changed between
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  Speaker 9: the draft determination of these prices and the final. In
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: the draft determination, the Austrain Energy Regulator had the guards
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  Speaker 9: to admit that the fall was in part due to
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: fewer coal outages, that is, more coal fired power. In
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: the final that phrase was removed, mysteriously removed, despite the
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  Speaker 9: fact that a report just the last few months confirmed
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  Speaker 9: exactly what that draft determination said. And if you go
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: back to that chart that you put up, or the
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: numbers you put up, the interesting thing is that the
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: biggest drop in power prices is in Queensland. And it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: in Queensland where the newly elected L ANDP government is
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: running its coal fired paws stations, explicitly saying that Christophilly
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: governor is explicitly saying we are running our coal fire
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  Speaker 9: power stations harder. The one state that's the renewable poster
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: child for the country, South Australia, it actually had a
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: further increase in its power prices.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Bins continue to.
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  Speaker 9: Suffer, and meanwhile Chris Bone's out there saying that our
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: renewalblenergy is helping lower the prices. Well, why is it
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  Speaker 9: that happening in South Australia where we get the most
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  Speaker 9: renewable energy of any state from Perhaps we need to
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: take a leaf out of the Queensland government and that's
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  Speaker 9: why we've committed to and our budget reply that we
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  Speaker 9: will run our col FIR power stations just like Queensland
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  Speaker 9: is and we can all benefit from a much bigger
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: reduction in our power bills.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Matt, Look, this is the thing. You know.
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  Speaker 2: You're being in the Productivity Commission for so long. All
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that facility with numbers has spoiled you as a dreamer.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: You're not getting the green dream. Bowen doesn't have the numbers,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but he does have the dream. The return of the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: iceis Brides today.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Is this something do you have to do, like Jamal
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Reefy was saying earlier, for the sake of the children.
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: Well, what we should be considering is the sake of
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: the safety of all Australians. The government has charged a
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: number of these returning Isis brides with terrorism war crimes offenses.
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: In fact, we learned through Cenate estimates this week that
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: the Attorney General signed off on some of those charges
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: in mid December last year. That gave ample time for
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: the Immigration mister Tony Burke to exercise his powers. He
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: has to exclude these people from our country, even if
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: it's just temporarily. Temporarily, but surely given the serious offenses
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: the government's alleging some of these people have committed, that
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: they should have used those powers to exclude them and
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: keep the safety of Australians the highest priority.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I guess the question is whose children do you to
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: look after most? But there you go, Mecan event, thank
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you so much, indeed for your time. After the break,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump bombs zran again today at talks Peace. I'll
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: report regular on a Tuesday, is back from asking him
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: what he really wants. Well, already it hasn't been an
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: auspicious start to their stay in Australia. One of the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: isis brides, so to speak, landed in Melbourne. She was
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: one of two was smuggled somehow out of back entrance,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: escaping most of the media, except of course, for their
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Herald Sun photographer. You cannot escape the Herald's son who
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: got punched. Punched not by the women but by someone there. Unfortunately,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: there were also a photograph in the paper of that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: woman's Some of the supporters, men dressed ominously, all black faces,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: covered the whole thing. I mean, seriously, if that's the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: society's's landing with, look, I'm sorry, I don't feel very
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: comforted at all. We'll have more when we can give
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it to you, But so far no footage of anyone else.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: But this morning, about nine hours ago, I think it
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: was roughly that it seemed that the United States had restarted.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The war with Iran. Boom.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That's how fragile this piece is. But it does seem
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that the US launched only what it called self defense strikes,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: particularly around the poor city of bundas abas a Bunderabus
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: plus sites in southern Iran, very limited strikes on things
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: like missile launchers and a couple of Iranian boats trying
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to lay mines.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And straight upon moors.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So really we're still frozen, you know, there's no war
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: at the moment, but there's also no peace. In fact,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is getting desperate, i think, to make a
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: peace deal with Iran that doesn't look like a defeat.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And the latest under that was the President over not
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: tweeting and demand that when or if he does make
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a deal with Iran after three months and almost every
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Middle East country including the Gulf States, Egypt, and Turkey,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: should sign a piece deal with Israel, he posted. After
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: all the work done by the United States to try
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and pull this very complex puzzle together, it should be
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: mandatory that all of these countries at a minimum simultaneously
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: signed onto the Abraham Accords. You should start with the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: immediate signing by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And these accords
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: of course, to the peace deals signed when Donald Trump
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: was first president between Israel and the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and Sudan. And you know, Saudi Arabia have seemed about
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: to join as well. And then hell broke loose with
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Hamas blowing the joint up deliberately by slaughtering twelve hundred
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Jews in the October seven massacre. So who knows what's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: going on? Trumps two key demands one free the straight
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of a mus for oil tankers, gas thankers tankers, which
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Iran is now charging millions instilllet pass plus give up
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the uranium that around has enrich.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: For nuclear bombs.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And the closest we see that we round agreeing is
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: talking it saying, well we might, we might stop hitting
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: ships with a toll. I know you don't like a toll,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: but we'll charge in step for navigational services to protect
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the environment.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Iran has also demanded a piece steel which includes this
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: round not bombing around's ally in Lebanon, the Hesboala terrorist
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: army there, but Israel saying no deal on that. In fact,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: we've waged another round of strikes in Lebanon today, so
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: it is huge. It's a mess, and of course Trump
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: still could be bluffing and planning a devastating new bombing
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: its act to work it all out. I was joined
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: earlier by regular Tuesday. I guess Sean Spicer, donald Trump's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: first White House spokesman.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Sean Spicer. Always great to see you.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Look, I have to say, on some readings, it looks
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to me that Donald Trump is getting a bit desperate
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: with this plan. You know, this play almost order that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: all these Arab countries or Muslim countries, including Turkey, will
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: come in on the Abraham Of course that's not likely.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Of course, seems to me he's looking for a way
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to sell what might look like to many not actually
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a piece seal, but a surrender document.
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: Look, I got to be honest with you. I talked
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: to a very senior, very senior US official yesterday afternoon,
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: and I know that there's a lot of news coming
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: out about the Abraham Accords, but at least for those
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: of us in America right now, we're worried about two things.
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: One making sure that we went through all this to
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: ensure that Iran does not have access to nuclear materials,
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: and that clearly continues to be on the President's mind.
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: He's sort of truthed out that continuously. The phrase that
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: I kept hearing was no dust, no dollar, meaning we
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: don't get the uranium, there's no deal. I gotta be
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: honest with you that on a domestic front, which I
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: think to some degree is driving this, a lot of
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: Americans are getting concerned about the price of gas, the
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: price of groceries that are driven because of the price
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: of gas. So if we can solve those two things.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: I think who ends up ultimately joining the Abraham Accords.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: You know, it is a nice potential cherry on top,
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: but those are clearly not the two driving principles in
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: these negotiations.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So you think Iran handing over the uranium, the enriched
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: uranium to near weapons grade stuff that could be turned
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: into bomb material within I'm Toldbaks it's about two weeks.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: That is an absolute bottom line here.
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And I think what I was concerned about, Andrew,
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: is that as the President felt more domestic pressure, that
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: he might slide on this. In other words, he might
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: say they would agree for ten years or fifteen years
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: or twenty years, kind of under the terms of the
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: JCPOA that Obama had helped negotiate. And the President's been firm,
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: very firm in fact, and continues to keep the same
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: line in the sand that there is no enrichment possible,
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: which I have been very heartened to buy. And he
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: continued to say that his latest today on social media
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: and from everyone I spoke to yesterday during this holiday
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: weekend in the United States, it's been very clear that that's.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: A red line.
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: And the thing that was really interesting Andrew and I'll
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: share with you this. I asked a question to this individual.
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: I said, tell me what's changed, because I really haven't
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: seen the Iranians show any desire to do this, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: I think that the strikes and the shakeup in the
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: leadership or what I was told, really changed the dynamic
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: over there. But the other thing that's truly interesting, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: I think for a lot of us you forget this,
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: is that it was explained to me and there's been
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: some reporting in the last twenty four hours. But like
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: to get a simple thing done, a simple change in
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: sort of this memorandum, this deal that's going around can
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: literally take days because it's the way that you know
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: that we're not working off some kind of cloud system
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: here where we're all editing off a document. In fact,
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: it gets sent to the Iranians and they have to
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: shuffle it around eighty different times. But the individual that
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: I was talking to said, it's like painful how slow
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: this process is, because even the smallest little detail has
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: to go all the way through the chain and then
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: all the way back down.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It's not just all the way through the chain, of course,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to people in deep deep hiding, it's a number of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: different powers centers will have to talk to each other
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: as well. Absolutely. Meanwhile, I believe it or not, people,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: there's another war brewing, or at least a confrontation. Donald
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Trump Sean, as you know, is hit Cuba with oil embargo.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: There there's been the brother of former dictator Filil Castro
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: has been charged with killing Americans, so he's on the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: in the gun sites, huge blackouts in that country. Trump
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Secretary State Marca Rubio has sent Cubans a message to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: tell them to blame their own regime for stealing oil
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and to demand democracy.
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: Here is Laraslaven all the others Sentio Saldias in electricitiad
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: no block or Petrolero part of the Comnadier Jevan Anos, Sufriendo, Ras,
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: Electricia Alimentoses, Controller supaic Ang Sacciato Miles, the milis Perro
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: nada As.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Now we understand Marco Rubio's personal involvement here is passion
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: for this cause.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: What's the big play?
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: Well, that's interesting. I think there's two potential plays here, Well,
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: there's three.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: One is there's some people who speculate the US military
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: could take action. Second is that there's a belief that
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: it could collapse. On its own weight, meaning the current
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: regime in both of those scenarios, I worry that you
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: would have And this is something that not everyone probably appreciates.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: In the US.
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: The policy versus with respect to Cuba is what we
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: call wet foot dryfoot, which means that if you step
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: foot on US policy as a Cuban, you get status
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: here in the United States. It's a very unique immigration
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: status that we don't confer on anybody else. And so
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: the proximity of Cuba to Miami Dade, that area down
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: in our southernmost tip of Florida, that would be a
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: big concern that you'd have a ton of Cubans flooding
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: our shores trying to get status here if their government failed.
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: And so that would bring me to option three. And
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: Option three, which is what CIA Director Radcliffe supposedly presented
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: to the Cuban government, was that in exchange for the
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: US continuing to support you financially, you make certain regime
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: reforms as far as the government, humanitarian reforms, etc. I
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: think that that actually would be the smartest way to
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: go because it would give the Cuban people a lot
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: more than they're getting right now. As Secretary of Rubio
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: pointed out in that video, it's their own government that
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: is taking the resources away from them. It's not the blockade,
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: but it would allow us to make sure that we
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: don't get flooded, our shores don't get flooded with a
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: bunch of Cubans seeking refugee status.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, thank you so much you did for your time.
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: You bet Andrew have a great one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Honestly, this is red hot. This is red hot.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: You remember, of course Ben Robert Smith being arrested in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: full glare of the media when he was the rest
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: of alleged war crimes, both sharing federal police, someone who
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: had tipped off the media.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: In this case, exactly the opposite.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: In Sydney, all the women who arrived here at the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Islamic State women were given the option of protection correctional
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: services to go a quiet way away from the media,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: which they all took. So that explains no pictures. In Melbourne,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: they were one was snuck out the back again with
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the knowledge and assume cooperation of the AFP, which told
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: reporters only two hours later that they were out. You
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: don't need to hang around, they're gone, I mean really,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And then you get that punch up with a reporter
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: being smacked, the Herald Sun reporter getting allegedly punched by
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: someone who the Australian says is a relative of the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: two women charged three weeks ago. Again Islamic State brothers
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: coming back to Australia charged two weeks ago with keeping
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: a slave. That's the company we're bringing in, that's the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: protection they're getting. There will be so many questions tomorrow
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: In fact, they're starting right here right now.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: This is, like I say, red hot after the break,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: incredible figures shown. We have a public service crisis. There's
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: too much of it and it's killing us. Plus we'll
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: have more from the airports if we can get it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Youah more details from a scuffle at Melbourne Airport as
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: two of the Islamic State women and the children came back,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: like I say, smuggled out a back road, a back
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: way apparently organized by the family. Austray and Fieeral police said, oh,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: we had nothing to do with that. And in the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: confrontation we are told there is footage which no doubt
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: when will pop up up very soon, of supporters two
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: men pushing cameras in the faces of photographers are caught
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: up with them and one punching a photographer, and that
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: person was related to two of the earlier Islamic state
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: brides that came here three weeks ago and were charged
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: with keeping a slave. So that's what we're bringing back.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: That is what we're bringing back, and the society that
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: those women keep unbelievable. Now said at the top of
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the show, Oh, actually, you saw in the budget yourself, right,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: how desperate the government is for cash to pay for
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: all this welfare.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: It's also shoveling out.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: There's almost now it almost spends as much as welfare
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: now as it takes in income tax from workers.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: That's what's happening.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Every dollar you pay an income tax, almost a dollar
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: goes out in welfare. Can you believe that? And paying
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: is also going to pay for the green revolution of course,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: massively expensive and the population growth that both sides of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: politics have inflicted on us. And on that point, you
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: just look at some of the worst blowouts of these
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: big projects that they're trying to build to keep up
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: with all this the green projects, in particular the snowy
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: two point zero project that acts like a giant battery
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that was supposed to cost two billion dollars according to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull. What a goose now looks like
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: costing more than twenty times that amount. Copper String, which
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: is an electricity translation project in Queensland that's gone up
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: from less than two billion dollars the original listment to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: fourteen billion dollars, the Central West, a run of renewable
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: energy zone that's gone from around half a billion dollars
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: in at least six billion dollars. And the V and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: O West Interconnector that's also part of the green energy revolution,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: blown out from nearly two billion dollars initially to more
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: than a today, and you are paying for it all.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Joining me is a man who's written about this in
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the public sector bloat. Mike Newman, commentator, corporate advisor and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: former New South Wales Senior trade advisor to Japan and
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: career mke Great to see you again. Look, so many
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: government approaches in Australia they have blown out horribly, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: you've got actually a much much bigger list, in fact,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: on your latest Substack article. What is amazing to me
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: is that this enormous string of blowouts has occurred exactly
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: when we've never had so many public servants to make
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: these things supposedly work, and astonishing fifty percent more public
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: servants in Australia in just the past two decades you've
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: worked in the bureaucracy. Explain how that could possibly happen?
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: Well, thanks, Andrew, Well, I think the biggest problem is
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: actually culture within the public service at the senior executive levels.
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: We now at the federal level have one thousand, three
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: hundred and eighty one government organizations. That's about ten times what.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: We have in Japan.
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: I think nine times what we have in China. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: what are all these organizations doing. I mean, if we
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: think about it, mister Bowen will be adding another one
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: hundred and fifty odd million to have Cop thirty one
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: team to be assembled, another one hundred bureaucrats. So within
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: the culture of these organizations, it's just build and build
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: and build, I think. More disturbingly, there was a LinkedIn
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: post from the Secretary of the Climate Change Department, Mike Kaiser,
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: who is introducing an Edison Award, which is for public
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: servants to have a crack. Now, with the cost blowouts
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: you showed on the earlier slide, it's pretty clear that
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: we don't need taxpayers to be another crash test, dummy
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: fair experiments from the Climate Change Department. And it's not
• 37:57
  Speaker 12: just the Climate Change Department. It really comes down to
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: the fact that we have Korea bureaucrats, especially at the
• 38:05
  Speaker 12: senior executive levels, at the secretary level, for instance, the
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: average tenure is twenty eight years, so there's very little
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: private sector experience there, which the US is are doing
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: very well. They have people who have run oil and
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: gas businesses who absolutely understand the intricacy. So all of
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: these cost blowouts are coming down basically from a lack
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: of experience in the private sector.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but also it's such an institution now, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: you're talking about a massive bloat, as you say, without
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: experiencing the private sector in this, and they're making terrible mistakes.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the Department of Energy and Environment and all that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: These are the guys that back green hydrogen with billions
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of our money and you find it's a no go.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, how does that happen when we can we
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: expect the innovation from Australia with two and a half
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: million people paid for by government.
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: Well, Andrew, I always say that governments love to talk
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: about innovation, but The problem is when you talk about innovation,
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: you have to actually be.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Wanting to change yourself.
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: Now, government departments love the idea of comfort zones. They
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: don't like leaving comfort zones. They prefer to hire people
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: who are far more interested in maintaining the status quo.
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: And therefore people that are politically reliable tend to sort
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: of survive longer than those with capability. And I've seen
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: many capable people within the public service get fired or
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: moved on or restructured because the people above them are
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: worried that they might show them up.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: How often have I seen that? Mike, I'm sorry, this
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: is a segment, a shorter segment. This kuerfuffle at the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: airport from the return of the Islamic State Brides has
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: taken up more time than I expected. It's just the
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  Speaker 2: shocker and we need to come back to it. So
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much. I'll have you on again a
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  Speaker 2: very short in make Newman. Thank you very much in
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  Speaker 2: deed for your time after the break the panel on
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  Speaker 2: what we've just been talking about, the disgraceful scenes of
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  Speaker 2: the airport. Just to clarify, well, to give two stories.
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  Speaker 2: One paper is saying one of the supporters of the
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: two women who landed at the airport in Melbourne. Hit
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  Speaker 2: or punched, whatever you'd like to both words are used.
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  Speaker 2: A photographer, The Herald's son who had that photographer is
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: saying that the we've also now got saying that the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: photographer was actually had his camera hit. Now we've got
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  Speaker 2: live pictures of the women in Sydney jumping in a
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  Speaker 2: car and off they go.
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  Speaker 1: No violence there that I can report. New South Wales police.
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  Speaker 2: Are saying that none of the women there were arrested,
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  Speaker 2: so they're all free to go home, one would presume,
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  Speaker 2: and there's something to transpires late. It's a bit of
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  Speaker 2: agitation there. They are looking around the co probably blinded
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  Speaker 2: by some of the camera lights from what I can see,
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  Speaker 2: and we shall see what happens there. But this really
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  Speaker 2: is the scenes in Melbourne. I think we'll develop into
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  Speaker 2: a scandal over the next twenty four hours. How such
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  Speaker 2: people could be let back when they're in the arms
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  Speaker 2: of people that are prepared to push around photographers like that,
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  Speaker 2: and also the complicity of authorities in helping the women,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in Sydney, but also in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to me.
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  Speaker 2: Go through backways to escape the scrutiny that Ben Robert
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  Speaker 2: Smith was not spared on his arrest. Now you work
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  Speaker 2: that out, You work that out. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is the panel. There's Michael Danby who's a
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  Speaker 2: former Labor Federal member, and Mia Schlicht, executive director of
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  Speaker 2: the Samuel Griffin Society. Michael, your response to these scenes
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  Speaker 2: of the airport.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I agree with the detective formerly of the AFP
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  Speaker 13: that interviewed on Feeder's program and Sharis from They shouldn't
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  Speaker 13: be admitted back.
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  Speaker 1: It's too risky.
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  Speaker 13: Particularly we don't know the profile of the young teenagers
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  Speaker 13: that are with them, and they all went, as the
• 42:25
  Speaker 13: detective said, to declared terrorist zone. So on that basis alone,
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: a Tony Burke, if he had the will, could have
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: issued a temporary exclusion order and to deal with their
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: humanitarian interests, we could have negotiated an arrangement with Turkey,
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  Speaker 13: which is right next door to this place, which is
• 42:44
  Speaker 13: an Islamist country and where they would have been quite
• 42:48
  Speaker 13: at home. Maybe some Australian taxpayers money would have been
• 42:51
  Speaker 13: spent on that, but they didn't have to be brought
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  Speaker 13: back here in a week, risking Australian children and Australian
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  Speaker 13: people by their presence.
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  Speaker 2: There's immediately violence at the Melbourne airport on their return
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  Speaker 2: and were told don't worry, it's all good now. Admittedly
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  Speaker 2: the violence is not by the women themselves, not from
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  Speaker 2: what we hear, but from their supporters. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: how much better that makes me feel.
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  Speaker 14: Well, it certainly is extraordinary. Andrew and I will say
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: the tone of the arrival of these women feels very,
• 43:21
  Speaker 14: very different to the return of the first cohort. I
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: think when that first cohort of women touched down, the
• 43:28
  Speaker 14: media frenzy the tone was quite unusual. It was almost romanticized.
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  Speaker 14: This return, particularly by the ABC, I will say, I
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: think the ABC reporters as a story of them joking
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  Speaker 14: around with the women about their Australian accents and the
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: fact that women were going to buy their son's PlayStations
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: here in Australia. And now you compare that to the
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: arrival of this cohort of women and it's a completely
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: different tone. And I'm not sure whether that's because after
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: that first cohort touchdown, some of the allegations and the
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: charges laid against these women were so serious. Perhaps the
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: weight of what has occurred overseas is finally dawned on
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: our media class in Australia, and perhaps it's finally dawned
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: just how serious it is that these women were allowed
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  Speaker 14: to return to Australia and perhaps what that means for
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  Speaker 14: the Australian community now that they'll be returning and now reintegrating.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, nothing I've seen in these returns suggests to me repentance,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a deep desire to make good to the country that's
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: led them in, you know, welcome them back. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see any of that.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I wonder why Dr Riffi or the very odd
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: Dutch surname gentlemen who's allegedly been helping them too, why
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: they don't do the basic pr of putting them in
• 44:47
  Speaker 13: front of the media and getting them to say, we're sorry,
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  Speaker 13: we want to come back to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: We made a terrible mistake.
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  Speaker 13: It doesn't seem to be any of this, and that
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  Speaker 13: is basic to Australians understanding of who these people are.
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  Speaker 13: Are they still resentful that they still want this kind
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: of society that they lived under there to be perpetrated.
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  Speaker 13: I don't know. I just think the whole thing is
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  Speaker 13: rotten to the core, and the key insight into it
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  Speaker 13: is Tony Burke going out secretly on that Friday night
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  Speaker 13: to the airport to welcome his mates from gars Are here.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the mates from Garza had been convicted of anything.
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  Speaker 2: But I have to say, handing out so many visas
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: three thousand to people that you could not possibly have
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  Speaker 2: vetted properly, in my opinion, from a terrorist run state
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: with a terrorist run education system, is grossly irresponsible.
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  Speaker 1: But there you go me. Do you think the government
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  Speaker 1: had any option but to let them in?
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  Speaker 14: Of course the government had options. There were plenty of
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: options at their disposal. Now they'll sit back and say, look, oh,
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: we didn't facilitate the return, but that we know that's
• 45:56
  Speaker 14: just not true. There's plenty of ways here the government
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: could have intervened didn't. And just on your point about
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: you know those visas that Tony Burke gave to all
• 46:05
  Speaker 14: those people from Gaza a little while ago, we'll just
• 46:09
  Speaker 14: remember that just one of the stories that came out
• 46:12
  Speaker 14: from one of those visas that was granted was after
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: that visa was granted, the Herald's son to their own
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: investigation and found that one of those women was celebrating
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: the attacks on October seven. As a result, her visa
• 46:23
  Speaker 14: was then canceled. So of course the government didn't do
• 46:25
  Speaker 14: their du diligence on any of that cohort and that's
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: a huge concern. And now for the government to be
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: running around talking about how important social cohesion is community
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: safety when they've got this track record, it's really just
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: quite astounding.
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  Speaker 1: Me.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to stick with you for a second
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: because one of the judges appointed by the Albaniza government
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to our High Court, which is the highest court in
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the land, is Robert Beach Jones, who must at all
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: times of course be impartial. But me he's given a
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: speech which included I think about ten pages of criticism
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of your Samuel griff the society complaining that you've misuse
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the Samuel Griffiths name. He was a former how called
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: judge century ago. The fact the culture was and it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: particularly upset that your society had heavy criticism of the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Marlbo land rights decision.
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  Speaker 14: Your response, yes, Justice speech Jones did take issue with
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: the fact that the society has analyzed or reviewed the
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: Marlbo decision a number of time, and to that I say, well,
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: of course we did. This was one of the most
• 47:25
  Speaker 14: consequential legal decisions that this country has ever seen, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: the society reviewed it, We analyzed it, we scrutinized it,
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: and we talked about it, and we will speak about
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: it again. This decision was without precedent. It drastically changed
• 47:38
  Speaker 14: the trajectory of this country, and it happened without any
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: democratic oversight. Now we scrutinized that decision, just like we've
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: scrutinized the Engineer's case, just like we've looked at Love
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: and Tom's, just like we scrutinized the implied freedom of
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: political communication. These are really important decisions that are being
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: made all the time, and it's happening in the courts.
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: Courts who sit there with almost no accountability. And it
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: is the role of the society to communicate the public
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: exactly what decisions are being made in our courts. And
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: the fact that the High Court is so not used
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: to that scrutiny that Justice Beach Jones felt the need
• 48:15
  Speaker 14: to call out the society and not call out any
• 48:17
  Speaker 14: of the other legal institutions, such as the law schools,
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: or the bar councils, or the state judiciaries, who are
• 48:24
  Speaker 14: the position in the culture war was exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry for a trunk. There's only a problem if you
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: fight back. Mir Schlick, Michael Amba, thank you very much
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  Speaker 2: to you both.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: That's it from me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I am sure that Sherry Markson coming up has plenty
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: more on this scandal at the Airport's Good Night