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Off on a Tangent · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Let's do this.
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  Speaker 2: Bring us in.
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  Speaker 3: Are you ready to roll?
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  Speaker 4: Boop.
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  Speaker 5: Boop.
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  Speaker 6: Boop.
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  Speaker 7: Hi, this is Tom Kane, the voice of Yoda.
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  Speaker 1: And listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 8: You are good.
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  Speaker 2: It's showtime.
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  Speaker 8: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 8: Picture Association of America.
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  Speaker 5: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 8: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 2: And there's one thing I do know, son, and that
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  Speaker 2: is you are here for a reason.
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  Speaker 9: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Patrick. I'm David.
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  Speaker 9: The trio of terror is back. We are coming to
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  Speaker 9: you live from Patrick's, what are we calling this for
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  Speaker 9: him now?
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  Speaker 2: The basement. Oh, the lower level.
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  Speaker 1: The lower level.
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  Speaker 3: The lower level.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a sign.
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  Speaker 1: The underground.
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  Speaker 2: It's not up yet.
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  Speaker 1: It's not up, but I have a sign. We're so underground.
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  Speaker 2: We're so underground. We were underground before it was cool.
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  Speaker 9: Live from Patrick's lower level, where we're going to be
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  Speaker 9: watching this wonderful film.
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  Speaker 1: The Raid.
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  Speaker 9: But before we get to that, we haven't hung out
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  Speaker 9: for a while now, so what's up with you guys?
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  Speaker 1: How's it been?
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  Speaker 9: What have you watched?
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  Speaker 1: All I do is work.
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  Speaker 2: I sleep and work.
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  Speaker 1: And then no movies.
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  Speaker 9: That's not life.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw the brand new Lord of the Rings.
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  Speaker 9: Oh man.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to talk about that too? No, it
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  Speaker 1: was rough.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to skip that.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Hunger Games. Oh my gosh. We could do
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  Speaker 1: a whole other episode. I could rant about The Hobbit.
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  Speaker 1: That trilogy offends me so hard. You get offended by everything. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really not. You know, I think what made it
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  Speaker 1: worse is that, you know, in between the second and
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  Speaker 1: third movie, I revisited the original Lord of the Rings books. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I went back and read them all. Because I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: read them since high school. And so I remember going
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  Speaker 1: into the original trilogy, like, oh, man, it was a
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  Speaker 1: great representation of the books. And then I read them again.
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  Speaker 9: I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: It was an okay representation of the book.
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  Speaker 9: See, that's what you get for reading.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to pause him right there and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to say within the next 45 seconds, he's going to
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  Speaker 2: bring up how the old where they like filmed it
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  Speaker 2: and then animated over it was better and that's going
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  Speaker 2: to lead into the witch movie that ripped off Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter ripped it off.
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  Speaker 9: Now, the original Hobbit animated one is good.
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  Speaker 1: The Littlest Witch?
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  Speaker 9: And even The Return of the King is good, but
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  Speaker 9: that Lord of the Rings Ralph Baschi thing, that was terrible.
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  Speaker 3: That rotoscope nonsense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now in rotoscope sounds like a intestinal surgery you know
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  Speaker 2: it's scope later this year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah it's like you know with the hobbit movies
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  Speaker 1: it was so they're so pretty and they're so well
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  Speaker 1: made but it's just like it's weird because it's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing with michael bay i don't i wish i
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  Speaker 1: had a switch i can turn it off like i'm
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  Speaker 1: sure they're fantastic great entertaining movies if you could turn
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  Speaker 1: your brain off from the source material if you could
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  Speaker 1: just do that i'm sure they're great But it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't figured out how to do that disconnect yet.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm watching this. I mean, don't get
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  Speaker 1: me wrong. That, spoiler free, but the Matrix-ish fight with
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  Speaker 1: all the ringwraiths was awesome. I'm like marking out as
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  Speaker 1: a geek, like, oh my God, this fight is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's this other part of
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  Speaker 1: me that's like kicking myself and... Why was that in
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  Speaker 1: the movie?
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: See, that was my thing. I was like, this is
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  Speaker 1: so amazing. But it was a little bit of that
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  Speaker 1: Yoda thing, too, where like, you know, here's like Saruman's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Christopher Lee's old elderly self, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: then next thing you know, he's like roundhouse and jumping around,
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  Speaker 1: bouncing off walls, doing Matrix stuff. And you're like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I think him and Agent Smith, they had like something
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  Speaker 2: in their contract where we need to be in the
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  Speaker 2: movie for six minutes, Mr. Anderson. Give me a sword
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  Speaker 2: and let me at him.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because in the second one or the first one, they
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  Speaker 2: totally play up that whole, oh.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to have the necromancer.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be this thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then you see the third one, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, he was in it for 36 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought.
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  Speaker 9: It was weird when Trinity wandered in the background.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: The Merovingians running.
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  Speaker 1: Like instead of a cat going up the staircase twice,
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  Speaker 1: like a goblin walks by twice. And they're like, didn't
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  Speaker 1: we just see that goblin?
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  Speaker 2: It's when they change something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, deja vu.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: The raid.
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  Speaker 3: That's later.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to watch it.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, we're... For super geek... And actually, it's been
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  Speaker 9: a while, so we've been bouncing around in different places.
• 5:25
  Speaker 9: I don't think I've sat down since I've seen it.
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  Speaker 9: I haven't talked with anybody about the new Seven trailer.
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  Speaker 3: Episode Seven.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck my life, Seven.
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  Speaker 9: Do you guys want to go into that for a moment?
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  Speaker 2: You know, what got me about it is that Black
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  Speaker 2: storm trooper.
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  Speaker 1: It just felt like a teaser, not a trailer. Even
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  Speaker 1: though it was the official trailer, like this is still
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  Speaker 1: so teaser. You cannot put.
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  Speaker 2: Is it just the tip?
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much. It was just the tip because you cannot,
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  Speaker 1: you can't come up with any even guesses at story
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  Speaker 1: from that. Every scene was so independent of the next
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  Speaker 1: scene that it was impossible to even go, you know, oh,
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  Speaker 1: well it's going to be about this. Like everyone is
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  Speaker 1: still completely confused as to what this is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: What more do you want?
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  Speaker 4: Oh man.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 9: Is that a switch I can turn off on movie?
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge Abrams fan. I loved Early Lost and
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: I loved Fringe. And in Fringe, it was on purpose.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Everyone thinks it's just... I can't defend
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: Star Trek. I don't know why... I mean, they are
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  Speaker 1: in space. I can't defend the solar flares in Star Trek.
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  Speaker 1: But in Fringe, it was on purpose. There was something
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  Speaker 1: that that meant. When there were solar flares, in the
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  Speaker 1: context of the story, that meant that there was something
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  Speaker 1: going on. Spoiler free, but... He's like, that looks cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's so long in between Abrams movies that when I
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  Speaker 2: get really depressed, I just have my wife's China flashlight
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  Speaker 2: in my eyes. It makes it.
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  Speaker 1: All better. I got a little scared when he said
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  Speaker 1: he was going to do Star Wars because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I love the first Star Trek movie, but the second
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  Speaker 1: Star Trek movie has so many plot holes. It's a
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  Speaker 1: good movie, but the plot holes are massive.
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  Speaker 2: Name one plot hole.
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  Speaker 5: Um.
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  Speaker 1: Immortality?
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  Speaker 5: Who?
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  Speaker 4: Who?
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  Speaker 1: Immortality.
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  Speaker 9: By the end of the movie, everyone can have it?
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  Speaker 1: They created immortality, but it's like people are supposedly dying?
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  Speaker 1: That's what got me. We recreated that death scene from
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  Speaker 1: Wrath of Khan, switched, but we recreated it. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: but wait, this dude over here, his whole body is
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  Speaker 1: seething with immortality. What does it matter? We can bring
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  Speaker 1: this dude right back to life. What does it mean? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: second plot hole.
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  Speaker 2: That's my point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, no. The thing is that it'd be super
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  Speaker 1: geeky stuff. Like, it was like the whole beginning. It's
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  Speaker 1: been so long since I watched in my head. We
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  Speaker 1: could watch that tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Not in Thai.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like the way they, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: Star Trek dorking me. I forget all that. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: It had to do with the whole.
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  Speaker 9: Like, why are they down on that?
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  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, the volcano place and whatever was
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  Speaker 1: going on there. They had to distract the people. It
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: was like they weren't supposed to be seen, but they
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: had parked the ship next to the volcano. It was
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: just all this weird stuff where it was like, how
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: did they land that ship underwater without them seeing it?
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: Even if you're invisible, you just submerged a huge vessel
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  Speaker 1: into the water. There's just so much going on there.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is a no-brainer.
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: Would you rather see a movie with just invisibility, or
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  Speaker 2: would you rather see the Enterprise under the ocean?
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: How cool is that? And they dive off the cliff
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  Speaker 1: and they.
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  Speaker 2: Swim down to it.
• 8:35
  Speaker 9: Scotty doesn't like it.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted more Klingons. That Klingon stuff was a tease.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming in the third one. It's coming.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's coming.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: I wanted that so bad there.
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  Speaker 2: Does it not bother people that he's not directing the
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  Speaker 2: third one or any more Star Wars movies?
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: Is he not doing another Star Wars movie? I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was doing.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, he's just doing the first one.
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  Speaker 1: He's only doing the first one. They've already given.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: No, you know Godzilla's doing the second one. No, no, it's...
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: It's not Gareth?
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: No, it's not Gareth.
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  Speaker 9: I'm actually more interested in what comes up in like
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  Speaker 9: 8 and 9 because they're giving it to.
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  Speaker 7: Who's the guy?
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: Who's the guy? It's somebody that just did a movie
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  Speaker 2: with a heavy CG.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: You have to be a lot more specific than that.
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  Speaker 9: It's the Bruce Willis movie where he like.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that, though. I thought Abrams was
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  Speaker 1: all three.
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  Speaker 9: Abrams is the first one, and then it's.
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  Speaker 1: So whose choice was that? Did he decide to dip out,
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  Speaker 1: or did they just go, hey, thanks for part seven,
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  Speaker 1: you can go along now?
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  Speaker 9: I think that was his choice. I think he wanted
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  Speaker 9: to relaunch the franchise. I'm sure he'll stay on as
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  Speaker 9: executive producer, but I think he wants to get different
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  Speaker 9: directors giving different takes on everything.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. I mean, you know, the original trilogy was not
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  Speaker 1: directed at all by the same person.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 9: And it got better once we ditched Lucas.
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  Speaker 3: But then it kind of took a turn.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So who knows?
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: I think that kind of stuff would be so tough
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  Speaker 1: to do. I was going to say, with all the
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  Speaker 1: side movies and stuff that they're talking about doing, it's
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: too bad we couldn't do a Shadow of the Empire
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  Speaker 1: on film. I thought that storyline was really neat.
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  Speaker 3: Except it doesn't exist.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: Well, nothing does now. Didn't he come out and say that?
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: For years, he's been okaying all this comic books, novels. Well,
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: that's why he's making.
• 10:17
  Speaker 9: Money with it, too. Now he doesn't make money off anything.
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  Speaker 9: But I guess that was the Disney people, really, right?
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  Speaker 9: Because that happened when they bought it.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they were the ones that were like,
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: they shut down. Everyone that did the comics wasn't like
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: Dark Horse and stuff. They shut everything down. No one's
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: stories pertaining to Luke of Star Wars stuff is canon
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: as of now. It's like only the trilogy. I assume
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: they still acknowledge the prequels, unfortunately. It's like, can we
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: just count that as fan fiction too? It's like, you know,
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: in that other fan fiction we did, we can go
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  Speaker 1: and say those don't count either. And go and take
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: that back home. I thought all the hype about his
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: lightsaber was funny though. Like how many people got upset
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: with that cross guard.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I kind of knew it was coming because it's
• 11:03
  Speaker 9: the repeat of the trailer for Phantom Menace. It's like
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  Speaker 9: we had that long period where we didn't have anything.
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  Speaker 9: And then they're like, all right, well, we can't just
• 11:12
  Speaker 9: show lightsabers. We got to one-up it. And we had
• 11:14
  Speaker 9: that shot of the other lightsaber kicks in. And we're like, oh, shit.
• 11:18
  Speaker 9: So we had to kind of do that again or
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  Speaker 9: we were going to be going backwards.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: You know you love those extra little blades on the lightsaber,
• 11:26
  Speaker 9: don't you, Ben?
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: They're going to come out with a gun blade lightsaber pretty.
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  Speaker 9: Soon, I hope. I heard somebody say they're going to
• 11:32
  Speaker 9: make a gun that shoots lightsabers to one-up it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a laser gun.
• 11:37
  Speaker 9: No, it has to fire a lightsaber.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: I'm Han.
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  Speaker 5: Solo.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Is it Rain Johnson? Does that sound right? Star Wars
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: Episode VIII to be written and directed by Rain Johnson.
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  Speaker 7: It's Ryan. It's his weird spelling.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. So he has to be a cool kid.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: He's going to make it rain, but not.
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  Speaker 9: Looper.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Looper, dude.
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  Speaker 9: Fucking Looper.
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  Speaker 1: God, fucking Looper. But that's the thing.
• 12:02
  Speaker 9: I thought Looper was pretty impressive, just plot-wise. And then
• 12:06
  Speaker 9: if you go back, he's also the one that did Brick,
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  Speaker 9: which is like phenomenal.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Brick is actually phenomenal. Which one was Brick?
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: Brick is the same kid from Looper, young Bruce Willis.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: And somebody gets murdered, but Brick... you learn all these
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: cool slang words, and that's pretty much why they made
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 12:23
  Speaker 9: Well, no, it's basically, it's film noir, but it's film noir.
• 12:26
  Speaker 9: It's like a basic old school, like, 30s, 40s film
• 12:28
  Speaker 9: noir movie, but it's set in modern day high school.
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  Speaker 5: It's awesome.
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 9: So all the little, like, games that go on in those, like,
• 12:36
  Speaker 9: in the underworld, dealing with the bad guys, it's like
• 12:39
  Speaker 9: kids getting class, kids doing, you know, dealing drugs in
• 12:42
  Speaker 9: the hallway. Like, everything is still represented, but it's in
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  Speaker 9: a modern high school version.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: Wasn't Newsies kind of in a weird way like it
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: was kids acting like adults no.
• 12:51
  Speaker 9: That's more bugsy malone really.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: But it'll be fun when you've got like a little
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: baby luke skywalker acting like it's a western noir and
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: not yoda oh god they're gonna ruin it.
• 13:01
  Speaker 9: Again no i mean really that's the thing i i
• 13:04
  Speaker 9: got to the point i was like i don't i'm
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  Speaker 9: fine with this like i i'm fine with taking lucas
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  Speaker 9: out of the equation because he came up with some
• 13:10
  Speaker 9: great stuff i won't totally trash him He did some
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  Speaker 9: really amazing stuff.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Luckily, me's are not in the noose of movies.
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  Speaker 9: No, I'm talking like in the 70s. He did some
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  Speaker 9: really great movies in the 70s. He turned it over
• 13:23
  Speaker 9: to somebody good in 80. And then it's kind of
• 13:25
  Speaker 9: steadily gone downhill since then. So it's like I really,
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  Speaker 9: I think it's best to take his universe and give
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  Speaker 9: it to other people and let other people do it.
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  Speaker 9: And I was okay even with the Disney thing because
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  Speaker 9: I'm like Disney is the only- They're the only people
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  Speaker 9: that have money to throw behind it. They're the only
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  Speaker 9: people that are also, at this point, seemingly smart enough
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  Speaker 9: to let them do their thing. They haven't messed up Marvel.
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  Speaker 9: They're just like, do your own thing. We just want
• 13:51
  Speaker 9: to cash the checks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine with all of these things.
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  Speaker 9: It's all promising. It could go wrong, but I think
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  Speaker 9: it's more promise than we've seen in 25 years from
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  Speaker 9: Star Wars.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: I have hope.
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: A new hope.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like Disney is the new Medici family. Like
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: they are like the great sponsors of great art. Like seriously, Disney.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: You want to take a Tony Stark and do something beautiful?
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Here's the money. Like seriously, like, you know, when I
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: first got Marvel, I was like, here we go. You know,
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: I was expecting all these cartoons and kind of like
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: doing their kiddie thing. But when they just kind of like,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we're like, hey, Joss, go do what you want.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, like this is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Like you are just trusting your artists to do the art.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like just. Just back them up. Let
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: them do their thing. They're going to take care of you.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Only they would have bought Godzilla.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Minus the Ant-Man hiccup.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: But otherwise, they've been pretty solid. Not a fan of
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: the Ant-Man thing? Wow. What's the hiccup?
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: All I'm going to say is I was really not
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: looking forward to Guardians of the Galaxy, and I took
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: a bet. that it was going to be the downfall
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: of Marvel.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: And you lost.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: And I've never been so wrong, Master Bilbo.
• 14:59
  Speaker 9: Not only is it amazing, because I just re-watched it
• 15:02
  Speaker 9: about a week ago.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I did too. I just watched it last.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: Week again too.
• 15:05
  Speaker 9: I just saw it on the old internets. It was like,
• 15:07
  Speaker 9: it's going to come in as the top grossing movie
• 15:10
  Speaker 9: of the year. Nice. And I'm like, that?
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't even have guessed that.
• 15:13
  Speaker 9: It deserves it. It does. It's really well put together. Like,
• 15:18
  Speaker 9: even on top of, like, just being a geek and, like,
• 15:20
  Speaker 9: liking the property and all that, but, like, it's well written.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: It's well structured as a movie.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I understand this whole juxtaposition with, like, how lighthearted Marvel
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: is and how dark DC is.
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: And wrong, usually.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: And wrong.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: But I think it's genius for them to, like, have
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: their main movies are, like, 5% comedy, 95% true-to-source material
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: or action-oriented or whatever. Mm-hmm. But I think it's wise
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: of them to throw in the filler movies just being
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: fucking hilarious. And I was so wrong.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I remember somewhere about halfway into that movie
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: when I realized there was enough into it where I
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: could start forming an opinion. I remember having Star Wars feelings.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: There was part of me that was just like, this
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: is what Star Wars was. It was like, every time
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: they go somewhere, it's like, oh my gosh, what's this
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: place going to be like? Who's going to be here?
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: What kind of people and things are going to go
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: on there?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Why is that thing shaped like a skull?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Everything was so... was awesome it's like so much interesting
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: stuff and part of me is just like i i
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: think it's your move star wars i think you know
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: guardians of the galaxy just kind of kind of up
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: to anything they're on they would.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Put ron perlman in that as his character from godzilla
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: yeah the only room from improvement would have been well.
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: That's the next one you gotta have room to go
• 16:35
  Speaker 9: somewhere yeah i guess so well that's that's the thing
• 16:37
  Speaker 9: that's what i heard was um people with kids sitting
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: in the theater watching their kids and being like this
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: is their star wars like this is going to be
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: That moment, 20, 30 years from now when geeks are
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: sitting around talking about like, well, I remember the first
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: time I saw Guardians of the Galaxy when I was
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: a kid. And like, people still do that with Star
• 16:55
  Speaker 9: Wars now. And it's like, it will be interesting to
• 16:57
  Speaker 9: see what becomes that. And if Star Wars itself can
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: do that or if it's just going to be Guardians
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: of the Galaxy.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: This is the sound of me shaking my head. What's
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: kind of another interesting thing that kind of another similarity
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: between Guardians and Star Wars is apparently they've chose not
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to go with the source material on his father. And
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: so maybe we could have that Darth Vader weird twist
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: thing where we find out his father. Cause I mean,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: they seriously said it's like, it's not going to be
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Nova or whoever his dad is in the comic. They
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: already said, it's like, no, we're, we're actually changing that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You know, his dad is going to be someone different. So,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you could almost set up a weird Darth
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Vader ish thing, have someone completely weird, bad guy ish,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: end up being his dad and be some kind of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: stunner for the kids.
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: No more prequel action. I want to go forward.
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: No doubt.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I will be happy if Guardians of the Galaxy never
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: mixes with any other Marvel property.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: They kind of said that. Well, no, but they've already said, like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Guardians 2 is still not going to have any connection
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to Avengers. What will be smart, and what I think
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: they're going to do, is just when all of this
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: stuff comes to a head at the end, you know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: when they're fighting Thanos... Then when they drop in, I mean,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: so much backstory. I mean, even if they literally just
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: drop in for the fight, you will have to clean
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the entire floor of the theater because everyone's going to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my God, like everyone is on screen together.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: This is it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: If they were smart though, they would not put them
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: on screen together, but they would have different theaters of war.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like there's the war on Earth.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: So like they're blowing up the reconstructed Death Star while.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: They're out there taking care of it.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Do you see all these Star Wars things kind of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: happening here? Like I think Whedon just kind of like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you know, undercut Abrams is like, I got your Star
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Wars right here, buddy.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Like, don't even worry about it. But you know that
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Mickey's cashing all those checks.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: No doubt. And Leia's a new Disney princess and Groot
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: is the new Chewbacca. No, I'm stoked. I can't wait.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, keep buying tickets.
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• 19:05
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• 19:09
  Speaker 9: we should probably take a break, and we'll, you know,
• 19:12
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• 19:14
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• 19:16
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• 19:16
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• 19:17
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• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I got a live one here.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the voiceover.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: The voice is classic.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I hated it so much for so long, and then
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I just accepted that that is the Batman of our time.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Where's my microphone? That's yours.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: And you know he's going to be like, Superman, I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: choose you. God, did you see the Batsuit?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I saw that little, like.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That little squiggle picture or whatever?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Little clip of a blurry video that someone put. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: thought it was neat that they did the white eyes.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like, did his eyes actually, like, glow white?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Which.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: You know, at first I was like, it looks a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: little sci-fi-ish, but I mean, the original animated cartoon, his
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: eyes are always bright white, so it is kind of new.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look sci-fi, but it does look like it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Stark Industries.
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But it was, you know, I'll give him this. My
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: thing is that, you know, I'm definitely one of those
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: haters on the Superman movie. I had a good time
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in the theater, do not get me wrong. You should
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: have seen.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: This motherfucker go to town when they released that they
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: had to do the scenes from the end of the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Superman movie again. And he let everybody know.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I posted on that show.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: He posted the minute. I, like, saw it, and I'm like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, Dave Luke.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Oh!
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Because I'm one of those haters. I came out of Superman. Like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and this is the thing.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: They've planned the whole DC universe.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I don't actually like Superman. As far as DC, you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Sandman and Batman. That's about all I really like. So,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you know, going into it, it's not like my dreams
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: were crushed or anything. But I was just like, wait.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I've always understood Superman to be the guy that doesn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: let anyone get hurt. It's like, this fight's not going
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to happen here. We're going to take it over there
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: somehow so that people don't get hurt. He gave zero
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: fucks in that movie. I mean, not only that, he's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like turning over the semi guy's truck because he insulted
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: him at the little shithole diner he's eating. It's like
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he was such a... dick when you really think about it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: You don't act like you care. You act like you
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: have an ego, but you don't act like you care
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: about the people around you.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: The Hulk movies just suck. You can't make a good
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Hulk movie. You make a background character out of the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Hulk and he's perfect. Like in the Avengers background. Superman's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a background character. But all of the DC superheroes are
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: actually a background character.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: For Batman.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Except for Batman.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: There's the rogues gallery and there's the heroes gallery. And
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's actually all, instead of DC, it should just be like, what,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: BW for Bruce Wayne. Oh my God. BW Comics.
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Well, that's the thing. I mean, with Superman, Superman more
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: than a character is an ideal.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's.
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: Like he has to stand for these things. And one
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: of which is you don't just take people out.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Like, I don't know.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: I think that's what they missed is like all of
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: the basic... And I'm blaming Zack Snyder. I don't know
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: if he's really responsible. But I'm just like, why.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: He.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Just did the lens play.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: You would like.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: You've got.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: The whole thing. His whole ideals are built on that
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: Ma and Pa Kent thing. And Pa Kent's telling you,
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: don't risk yourself.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Don't get busted.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: Don't save anybody.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Don't get found out. That was so confusing to me.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: I'm like, why is it that the Smallville Pa Kent understands?
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: He was such a better Pa Kent and he created
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: the Superman that we know. And the Kevin Costner version
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: is just like, whatever you do, don't help anybody. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: I'm like, that's No, that's not.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I felt like they grabbed that weird side story father
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: from a random X-Men story angle. The parent that's just like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: oh my God, my son's a mutant? Okay, you can't
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: let anybody know. And somebody became Dad Kent. All of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a sudden, that character was Superman's dad. Like, oh my God,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: don't let anybody know. It's like, dude, he's Superman. Yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: there's a reason. This is different.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: He is Superman, and most of what he becomes is
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: because he's raised with these American Midwestern values and he's
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: all about helping people. And it's like, they didn't do
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: any of that. Like they missed all of that shit.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I just want a movie where he does the thing
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that the, like the train tracks are out.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: It's already out there.
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: You can go find yourself a copy of that. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: it has a good Superman.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I actually like that one.
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The first two are awesome.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: They're great.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: What about the fourth one?
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: What about the fourth one? Quest for Peace, man. To
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: tie back why, like, you know, I, I made a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: big deal about them rewriting the ending is because... It was.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: A huge deal. It shut down the internet.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I felt like.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: It was like North Korea hacked Facebook for a day.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Look, Zack Snyder went in, he made this movie, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: it was a very, I don't want to say selfish Superman,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: but it was not the shepherd of humanity, the shepherd
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of earth kind of thing that you usually get from
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the comics. It's more of him like, you know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Go for it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: What if they secretly... already wrote the entire DC story
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: arc for like 15 movies. And it's not until like
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the third movie that he becomes the shepherd of America.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I think is going to happen now.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: His colors are red, white, and blue.
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: Well, that's what we, we had somebody on the show
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: bring that up before. They were like, well, he's an
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: alien at this point. I'm like, but he's not supposed
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: to be now. He's been here for like 25, 30 years.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: He skipped his childhood stuff, but it happened. You showed us,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, bits and pieces of him in flashback. We
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: understand it. He's been here for 20 years or so.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: He's not, he's supposed to be in here by now.
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: The reason he's, you know, truth, justice in the American
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: way is because he was created as a superhero here.
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: His values and ideals all came from this, like protect everybody,
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: save America kind of thing. And it's like all that's out.
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: It's like he just landed here the day before the
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: movie started and he could care less about these insignificant
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: little ants that live on this planet. That's, That's where
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: I think it totally doesn't even make sense or understand
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: what Superman is supposed to be.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: But how sick was that x-ray vision shit?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: That was cool. My thing ultimately, though, and again, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: only reason I even mentioned they changed it is because
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I felt like, so they put, they had this version
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of Superman in mind and they released it and they
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: went with it. And the backlash was so, I don't
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: want to say the backlash was hard because I don't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: know if, you know, If you're the one complaining, it
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: seems like everybody's complaining. So maybe it's just me and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: my surrounding peers that were grumpy. But I found tons
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: of actual comic writers and stuff that were really upset
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: with it. So I felt like what they did is
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: they're trying to swerve everybody and go, oh, this was
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: all by design. This was all by design. And that's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen. You're going to learn he's going
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to feel real bad about this. Yet you had to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: rewrite the N to accommodate this. It's all by design.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: This is me doing air quotas. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You don't get to respond to everyone's backlash and act
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: like you were the smart kids that planned this out
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this way. No, no. I'm calling you out right now.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: You're not bringing up one thing that I really want
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to hear about.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Which is? This movie. Has it already come out?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Superman?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like, before it. Wasn't there, like, a
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Superman movie exactly like it, almost scene per scene?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: What are we talking about?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Name one thing about the Superman movie. Like,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: one aspect. of it like an action scene or a
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: bad guy or.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about dragon ball z you know what
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you're saying that essentially this was dragon ball z with
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a superman character no give me just anything because the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: fights were very very dragon there was lots of swinging
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: around throwing to the ground kicking around in.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: The air movie with dragon ball z like fight scenes
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe with a world engine that's terraforming a planet and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: trying to enslave the human race. An entire movie tinted
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: with a green spectrum of lighting. A movie where there's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: one hero who is the one.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Scene per scene, they're exactly the same.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I'm serious. Think of when he's walking in the end
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: of Superman through Destructed Metropolis and when Morpheus puts.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Neo in the real world.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And then think of all those scenes where Neo just
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: flies up into the clouds and he has that low camera.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Angle up with him turning, just like Superman.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Think of when Superman's flying away from the world engine
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: thing and the squids are chasing him. I'm just saying,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: this movie's already come out.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: The Matrix just influenced way too many people. Blade Runner.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Damn you, Blade Runner.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So, speaking of, this is a good tie-in, how about
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that Ghost in the Shell movie that's going to happen
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: with Little Miss Scarlett Johansson.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I just got done watching Ghost in the Shell Arise yesterday.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And I am probably the biggest Ghost in the Shell
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: fan you've ever met.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm cautiously optimistic.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you one thing. If they would have
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: not called it Ghost in the Shell and just called
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it the Black Widow movie, I would have been fine
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: with it. I don't know. I'm hoping that she just
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't have lines because I can deal with everything else.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Her little fight scene in Iron Man 2 in the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: hallway was promising.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: That was fantastic.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: That was fantastic. Like she can be choreographed or stunt
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: doubled and she looks great in tight outfit.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: You know, when you got Joss Whedon behind her, I mean,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: he's been training Buffy for like almost a decade. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he had the choreography.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, as long as she doesn't have to talk.
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: I've gotten totally on board with Miss Scarlet these days. Good.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: I didn't.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Did you see it?
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: I remember for years we used to just like, you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: she's cute, whatever. But these last several years, I'm like,
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: she's turning.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: In Under the Skin. Under the Skin is amazing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: Like, she needs to be getting Oscar nominations for that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: And she probably won't because it's such a weird, tiny movie.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: And she's Scarlett Johansson.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: She's that, too.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: But I'm like, she, again, I think she's going way
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: beyond people's expectations at this point. I think even in, like, Avengers.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I think she was undervalued in the beginning.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Really good in the Avengers. She was never given the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: roles that she needed. I think going into it, they
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: thought that Scarlett Johansson, well. Black Widow and Hawkeye were
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: just going to be these background characters. And I think
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: there's a huge, including me, I think there's a huge
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: amount of people that want them to have their own movies. Like, no,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: don't just, I want to watch them together. I don't
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: know if individually they could carry it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: It's no accident.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But do some backstory on them too.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: Like driving force in Captain America 2.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: She's a major character. Have you read the.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Updated comics, whatever they're called? Ultimates? The Ultimates?
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: No.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: So, Do you know her story about being the rogue
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: agent the whole time? Like she's still working for the Russians?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I remember there was some point in Marvel. Wasn't there
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like a Secret Wars? Civil Wars. I thought it was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a Secret Wars where she's actually working for someone still
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and has been duping Stark the whole time.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see what they do with the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Civil Wars storyline. Like if it's going to be the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: same for the comic books because that was already done
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: in X-Men. So now I don't know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: God, do you want to talk about the whole mess
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that is Spider-Man being involved in now?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: No, they shouldn't do it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: It's confirmed. I know it's confirmed. Like it's confirmed they
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: got enough rights to use him for Civil Wars and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: apparently he might cameo in future Avengers stuff.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: You know what he's allowed to do, according to me,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: is like when Nick Fury's giving them the lowdown on
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: here's the guy we need to go kill and this
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: is how we're going to do it. He can sit
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: in the background and make fun, like hanging upside down
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: on the web and he's like poking fun at them.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: You're not a Spider-Man fan? Are you not an Andrew
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Garfield fan?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I'm a Spider-Man fan, and I'm an Andrew Garfield fan.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: You just can't put him... Hang on. I'm not a
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: fan of Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. Let's put it that way.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm the one in three then. I liked him
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: as Spider-Man.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It's too much. You can't put him in the Marvel movies.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: You cannot.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: No, it's just.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It's so important for Civil War's art, though. He was such,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he was like that guy that could tip the scale.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And I did read those comics. I was all about that.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And when Stark made him the Iron Spider outfit, here's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the thing. If you only read strictly the Civil War's comics,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: like just the ones that were called Civil War's, because
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: when I was the whole, what, like six months I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: was going on, everyone's solo comics were still tied into
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: that storyline.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest fights I've ever seen in my
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: life is just in Spider-Man's solo album, album, solo comic.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: Oh man, I love that album.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Spider-Man's about to drop the hottest.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Album of 2015. He has a fight, you know, when
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: he first tries to leave Stark, there's a fully fleshed
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: out fight between Spider-Man and Stark. And there's this really
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: fantastically artsy end to it where it's like the panels,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the illustrated panels are like essentially showing that he's slowly
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: closing his eyes and having this inner thought And he's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I've always wondered like, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: how much web do I have? Like how much, you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: could I really do if I really just went all in,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, and shot everything I had in me? Sounds
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: kind of pornographic. But like Stark is coming at him
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like down the alley or whatever. And like, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: eventually that last panel, you know, like is like all
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: black where he's shut his eyes and he's just webbing
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: as much as he can. And you turn the page,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that last image is like the entire alley is a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: block of white. It is all fucking web. But right
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in the middle, you can see this glowing orange where
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it's like stark in the middle of all this web
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like stuck in it. It was like goosebumps. It was
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: so awesome. And it was like, if they put that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: scene in the movie, oh my God, it will be
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: so awesome to like have Spider-Man just soloing Iron Man
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: like it's nothing.
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: You're getting your hopes very, very high.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So I guess I am hopeful about the Ghost in
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the Shell movie with Scarlett Johansson. Well, here's what I'm
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: hopeful about. I hope that it does well enough to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: get us the Akira movie.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Sigh. You know, here's the thing. I say here's the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: thing a lot.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: I apologize.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Ghost in the Shell. Yeah, there is those episodic versions,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: but Ghost in the Shell the movie stands alone just fine.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like Akira, that movie is good.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: You need three stories.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: But, oh my gosh, that comic is huge.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's massive.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And I would really, if you're going to try to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: do that, please, at least. At least a trilogy, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: if not, go for TV. Please go for TV with it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Netflix, pick it up.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, straight to Netflix. I'm totally behind that. I'm
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: totally behind that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And please, internet gods, if you're listening, don't let the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Wachowskis have it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Please don't let the Wachowskis have it. How weird is that?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: There was a time when you would have loved the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Wachowskis to have something.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I would have loved the Wachowskis to have it, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: then they did Cloud Atlas, and then they did Jupiter Ascending.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I know it's not even out yet, but... I bet
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: in two years I'll re-listen to this and I'll be like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I was right.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You hear that new DC movie, Suicide Squad.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I've heard about that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Where Jared Leto's playing Joker. Did you hear that Will
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Smith is playing Deadshot? Really? Will Smith is Deadshot.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I only read anything that has Harley Quinn's name in it. Well,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: she's in it too, but I forget the name of
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the girl playing her. I hadn't seen the movies that
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: she was in. What's the Leonardo DiCaprio makes lots of money?
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Sick.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street, it's her.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: She's very attractive.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen her in anything.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen a picture of her.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: She's very attractive.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But seriously, I'm just, I'm not pessimistic. I just, it's
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a little, it makes my head spin a little to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: imagine Jared Leto's Joker conversing with Will Smith as Deadshot.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Like to see that on a screen, I kind of
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: don't see it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: They're making a Batman movie without Batman.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though. Like we were kind of talking earlier,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you know, about all those DC animated movies. The DC
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: animated movies are so good. They are so well-read.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: They are.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Like, they are super good, and I've never understood... Exactly.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I've never understood why you can't take these scripts and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: do movies because they're so... That Flashpoint Paradox movie would
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: destroy Avengers. And I love Marvel, but that story arc
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: is golden. What Batman is in that is so... above
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and beyond. It's awesome. But the Suicide Squad one was
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like the most recent one. It was just like a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: year or so ago. And I was like, I thought
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it was super good. It did not do that well.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: But for me, what I thought was so incredible about
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it was how interesting it was that Batman wasn't in
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it in the sense that since you're following the villains,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it was neat that like, you know, in essence, they're like, okay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you know, we're here at point A and we got
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: to get to point B across town and You know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and someone would just be like, all right, well, let's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: take main, turn left on second, let's go. And the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: other guys would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Batman will
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: totally see us if we just walk down Main Street.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And they're all like, oh, okay, sewers.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It was just so neat seeing them so paranoid of him.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: To where like when he did show up, it was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like Godzilla showing up. It was all like, oh shit, run.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Like everyone's just like, get the fuck out of town.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: But not Gareth Edwards Godzilla, right?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It was so, I thought it was incredibly interesting how
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: like you told this Batman story where he felt not
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: like the bad guy, but like the Terminator. He was
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: kind of like Arnold Schwarzenegger. He showed up and everyone
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just broke. It was like, get the hell out. We'll
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: meet up later. Just get out of here. Batman's here.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I think the only problem with all this bullshit in
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: me is like, I'm what? I'm 29. And for the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: first 24 years of my life, there was only.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: One joker and now there's a new fucking joker every
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: two weeks and you know they should have really just
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: like even skipped heath ledger and just let mark hamill
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: be the joker He is pretty awesome.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: He's pretty awesome. But he couldn't have done it on screen.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I love his voice, but he couldn't have done it
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: on screen. He'd have been drinking.
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: He's going to be back on screen.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: That would be great. With the beard, it's great. He
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: looks really cool with the beard.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I completely support him. He's very Obi-Wan.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Which is what you want at this point. That's kind
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: of awesome.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Is he living on Dagobah?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Is he not living on Dagobah?
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: See, that's what I'm wondering as we loop back around
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: to Star Wars.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: He's not Dagobah's student.
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: If all that, because they show all those scenes with sand,
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: and I'm like.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Do not take place on Dagobah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: Well, no, I'm just kind of like, in this, the
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: most remote planet, if there's a bright center of the universe,
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: it's the planet that's farthest from. Nobody freaking goes there,
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: but yet, the center of the damn universe, how many
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: movies have ended up back on this planet? I'm like,
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: oh my God, two out of the original trilogy ended
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: up back on this damn planet.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: We went back there again. It's like the Bronx of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the universe, but apparently everything happens in the Bronx. Everything
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: happens in this shithole planet. I know. It's a desert planet.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Did you see on YouTube the fan-made George Lucas cut
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: of the trailer?
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: That was awesome.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: It is amazing.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: That was awesome. It basically takes every scene and computer
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: generates something more in the background. So when the guy
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: lifts his head up on Tatooine, there's like, Tandans and
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Dungars in the background. And then like 18 more TIE Fighters.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's my favorite is the TIE Fighter that's already
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: surrounded by them and there's.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Just like 4,000 TIE Fighters.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: And then like the lightsaber, it's like.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It's like a fan of blades comes out of it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. I recently watched the riff tracks of the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Star Wars trilogy.
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: Original?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: No, they.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to mention is they did.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: Or one, two, and three.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Four, five, and six. For me, it's originals.
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: That's what I meant by originals.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: The riff tracks of those, but the ones they did
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: were the updated ones with all the CGI stuff. There's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: a lot more to make sure of. I was like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, why is that thing in the background?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: What is that there for? Come on, how did this
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: add to anything?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: It added to my childhood, thank you, because I was 12.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: That was sweet to see that one scene of the
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Millennium Falcon flying through Class A.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, the end of the trailer?
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, that was the one thing
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: for me, the most exceptional thing in the Episode 7
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: trailer was that Millennium Falcon at the end. Because you
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: didn't get that in the prequels. The Falcon was not
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: in the prequels. So seeing that again, I got a
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: little stiff. I got a little bit of wood there.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it weird that they.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Didn't homage the Falcon in 1, 2, 3? They should
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: have had it when it was owned by whoever.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Didn't someone mention it in Episode 3? I thought in
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a Clone Wars-ish one, someone mentioned it. I don't think so.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: It wouldn't surprise me if they did, but I don't
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: remember that happening.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: They should have, like, Lando should have pulled up for
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: a burger end or something, because it would have been
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: his at the time or whatever.
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: Right. Young him.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: And he's going to be like, he's like young, he's
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: got like the fuzzy dice, and he's like, I'm going
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to go to.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: The Kessel Run or whatever. Or no, what would be
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: like a, what's a space creature? Instead of a cult, like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Blaster 45. Yeah, it's got something. It's not as bulky
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: as a cult 45.
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: No, I think it'd be funny if he was still
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: hanging out with a young nine gnome.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: It's like, dude, we're going to get some of my
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: chicks tonight.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: It's a Nerf 45. It's Nerf herders, right?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nerf herders.
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: Or maybe it was like his father.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It's like saying Nerf. Like, it is just the word Nerf,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: isn't it? Oh, Lucas, you're so original.
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: It's his father, so it's an 8-0.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Hey, Nerf didn't exist back then.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe he invented Nerf.
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: God, Elvis.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: But, so, this is another idea about Star Wars. It's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: gotten real, like, little group of people versus the government
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and galactic empire. But it started off with, like, all
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: his ideas coming from the really old samurai films about, like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: wearing your own samurai against the imperial government.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: A piece of information that absolutely blew my mind was
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that Lucas wanted Toshiro Mifune to play Darth Vader. How,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, James Earl Jones is awesome, but me being
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: a samurai dork. Holy F. If Toshiro Mifune would have
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: played Darth Vader. Could you imagine how awesome it would
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: have been?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. If Luke Skywalker, like of those movies,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: they really didn't have sword choreography. So it was very
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: much like old medieval English sword fighting. Stupid sword fighting.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: It's more fencing.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, fencing.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: How cool would it have been if Darth Vader was
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: like katana style samurai work where it was just one stroke.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: There was a game for PlayStation 1 called Jedi Battles.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: It was a side-scrolling kind of platform thing, but you
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: got to pick somehow at the time. I don't think
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the prequels were out, so I guess this was all
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: just fan fiction-ish. Official universe. You could pick four or
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: five different people to be, and they all had different
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: color sabers and stuff. But one of them did the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: short sword down style, where the blade was going down,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and did a lot of side things. I thought that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was so amazing. And I was like, why don't you
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: flesh this kind of stuff out? Why does everyone... You know, dude,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: just that standard sword fencing style, it's like, well, I mean,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: obviously they kind of went with it with, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Darth Maul, and obviously, you know, these new movies, everyone's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: going to have, I mean, because this thing's like a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: lightsaber claymore. That thing is big and wide.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: But they need a return to the, like, this old
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: samurai movie way of, like, you're one hero, you're seven heroes, whatever,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: but it's like, it's getting too political.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be offended if he just straight up homaged
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: kurosawa movies period it's like all right we're gonna grab
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: you know we need a side story mission for this
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: jedi yojimbo we're gonna write a sci-fi yojimbo here you
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: go you know we want something where like you know
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: they underestimate the struggle on this planet over here and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: we set a couple jedi out cool seven samurai happening
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: over here on this planet i have no problem with
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that like these stories like you know maybe to people
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: my age it would be regurgitated but These are good
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: classic stories. The core stories have been regurgitated so many
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: times and other, like I heard you're about to do
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: another Magnificent Seven movie. I mean, you know, this same
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: story has been told over and over and over because
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's that good. You know, it's like, I feel like
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that's where you can do rebooting right. If it's a
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: good story, reboot that good story. Don't reboot something because
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: it was successful 20 years ago. That doesn't mean anything now.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Since all the Jedi are in hiding, lone wolf and cub.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Like Han and Leia's kid. Han and Leia's kid. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Luke's kind of training them. They're kind of trying to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: find a new place to set up the rebellion.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: And like Emperor Palpatine's clone or whatever the bad guy
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: is in this one.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I wonder what they'll do to Horace and both of them.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: They said they're not acknowledging Timothy's on, but there has
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to be a new bad guy. I mean, there has
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: to be a new bad guy.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: He has basically given it away. He is, I mean,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and it's not really given away, but
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's Emperor Palpatine reincarnated. He's doing all this
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: fucking CG work with his cloak on.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it's interesting. I did read, I don't
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: think this was like a legitimate person saying it. I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: think there was someone like reporting on Star Wars, so
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: this isn't like fact, but he was making the argument
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that you don't see Palpatine die. You know, it's like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: you see him get thrown down that ravine And in
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the same context, he's like, we saw that happen to Luke,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and Luke lived. Luke lived through that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: With one hand.
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: And he's like, there's nothing that says that Palpatine is dead. Like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: there was a big explosion of energy, but maybe he
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: blew up a reactor on the way down?
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: Like, I don't know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: You know, like, whatever he was doing to live, maybe it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: That seems like such a cop-out. Like, we can't even
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: come up with a new villain.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Where he gets reincarnated and all that bullshit.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I read the three Timothy Zahn books that were supposed
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: to be quoted, 7, 8, 9. And in those, like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Palpatine was dead, but his essence was still in space. Like,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: when Leia and whoever else was with her, they're on
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: their way to Kashyyyk, and they fly by that area.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And apparently, because she's sensitive to the Force, like, she feels, like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: this rage and this anger and this darkness to where
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: she's kind of like, oh, shit, that's not good. Like,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that felt... Forces it into a body a little bit. Yeah, like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to where she was kind of, like, afraid about it. So, yeah,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, they could go that angle. But, like I said,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you know, they... real quick to shoot down. When they announced,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: not when they bought Star Wars, but when they announced
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: another trilogy, like the second thing out of their mouth
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: was like, it's not Timothy's on stuff.
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: Well, because they knew.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Like immediately. They're like, finally. There's so many good characters
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: in those books. Mara Jade is awesome.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Mara Jade is what it's all about.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: That is Luke's wife. Serious, you want a good angle
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: for Luke's wife, it's Mara Jade. Like that whole angle
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: was great.
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: But I feel like the Luke we have now isn't
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: going to have a wife. He looks like he became Ben.
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: So it's like Ben's just an old crazy hermit living
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: by himself who at least has this connection to his
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: sister so he's not totally old crazy Ben.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: But doesn't that mean that the only girl he's kissed
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: is his sister? Oh, that's fine. That's bad.
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: That's all right.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Slight tree branch. You know, they released all those photos
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: recently of like the behind the scenes of Star Wars.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if those were out way before or not,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: but I've seen a lot of them lately where it's like, oh,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: here's like 60 photos of, oh my God, Carrie Fisher
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: was hot.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: She's so hot.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, there was like 60 some photos and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: 50 of them were her. Like everyone's just following her
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: around taking pictures.
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: I was like, gosh, Leia was hot.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember thinking she was cute, but this
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: was like another level. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: She was 80s fine for real. I'm following her around
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: with a camera, too.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Get off my plane.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I thought Hayden Christensen was really good.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Stand-alone Qui-Gon movie. Stand-alone Qui-Gon movie. Bring him back.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's already confirmed.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I'll find you, and I'll kill you with my lightsaber.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: It's already confirmed that Boba Fett's going to stand alone.
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's pretty much confirmed that there's some kind of a Han, Londo...
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Young one, right? kind of thing. Something about their history. See,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I don't have... But you've got to recast them. That's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: where it gets weird.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: See, what's rough is when Han was originally shot, he
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: was young.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: So how.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Is he going to be 12? Because how old was Harrison? 30-something.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Young enough.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: He was still older than... Well, I mean, you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: when I say young, I mean before.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like, how did... You know, obviously, they used
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to kick it. They were boys, so it's going to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: be about them kicking it and tricking the Falcon.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I used to have such a problem with that. Drinking
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: grape soda.
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: I used to have such a problem with that, like, recasting.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can't recast. And I'm like, you know what?
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of at the point now, I'm like, fuck it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: I'd rather have a good performance from somebody else than
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: worry about, it's.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Not the same guy.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hmm.
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: And that's been that same thing with Indiana Jones. I'm like...
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: I'd rather see more versions of Indiana Jones. Get somebody good,
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: write a good script, shoot some more movies. I don't
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: care that it's not here to support anymore. He's too
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: old to do it. I liked the Young Indiana Jones
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: series when it was the teenage version. The little kid
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: was boring, but the other ones were good stories. And
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: I'm like, do more of those.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: In fact, let the people who wrote the Young Indiana
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Jones write the DC movies.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: Really? like let them come back and do something i
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: don't know i think there's better story the same thing
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: star wars any any of this i'm like there's good
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: stories in that universe whichever one we're talking about like
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: as long as you tell a good story cast some
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: good actors get a decent director it's like i don't
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: i don't care i'm losing all of those like hard
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: bound like oh god you can't remake that oh god
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: you can't cast another actor like i don't know i
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: think i'm losing that that framework that used to be
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: so like geek oriented that i had i'm to the
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: point now i'm like i'd rather see good movies yeah
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: right i don't know they need to do some.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: More of the more of the religious psycho-spiritualistic heavy shit
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the occult stuff yeah it exists in the.
• 51:33
  Speaker 9: Because it pissed people off when we went into the
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: outer world right so go back to religion So what
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: we've learned is we don't really need to watch a
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: movie on these because we're just going to spiral off
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: and talk about others.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: We just actually, what we need to do is in
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: a few weeks, let's do one of these and just
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: watch trailers on YouTube.
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: Now that I'm totally down with that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: We can definitely do that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: New Olivia Wilde movie where she's got demon eyes looking
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: real good.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Olivia Wilde.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Looking real good. I can get Wilde.
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: She is, but what about the movie?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Seriously?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's our plan.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with trailer talk.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: We can call that trailer trash.
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: Will the Trio of Terror ever actually get around to
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: talking about the movie they sat down to discuss? And
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: if so, can they focus on that movie for more
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: than ten minutes.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: At a time?
• 52:25
  Speaker 9: Tune in to our next exciting installment for the answer
• 52:28
  Speaker 9: to these and many other questions you never really ask. Otherwise,
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: that about does it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: We will return next time.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Through all the ragged truth, you left one pointed lie.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: A nice series of words for goodbye. Who's playing on
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: your team? He has a certain flair. I'm stuck on
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: interface My heart does not forget Checking out at this
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: point is no sweat Chilled back.
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: To number nine.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: You made my heart go blind You act so cold.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: But you still look so fine. Crying on my heels.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: Crying in tension and tears. Crying on my heels.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Crying tangents.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: Crying tangents. Crying tangents. Crying down your tears Crying down
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: your tears Crying down your tears.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, before we watch this after the intro, I'm
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: definitely going to demo Transformers 3 for you. I'm sorry
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: it's Transformers 3, but it does have beautiful video and
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: wonderful audio.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: And stupid plot.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Is this on?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Is this live?
• 56:05
  Speaker 9: You say words.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I just watched it.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make you watch it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, man. I have not seen the Teenage Mutant
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles movie. And I have not seen... I don't
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: know how many Transformers movies there even are now. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: saw the first one in theaters. Unfortunately. Gravitron.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: They're all offensive.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: No, the fourth one is exceptionally bad.
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: You love Marky Mark, don't you?
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I am pumped that Marky Mark's in the fifth one.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: But the fourth one has the worst CG I've ever
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: seen in my life.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: So bad.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: It's as bad as The Matrix Reloaded.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: He's not even trying anymore, I'm pretty sure.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what was bad about The Matrix Reloaded.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: The Agent Smith 9 million fight scene.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: You didn't like that?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I liked the fight scene. I did not like the CG.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: When you can see it, like, bloop! And Keanu Reeves
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: is a stick figure. And his jacket does not reflect light.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did kind of look like Stretch Armstrong there
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: for a while. Just looked very, like, He doesn't love
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Stretch Armstrong. Keanu Reeves as Stretch Armstrong. No, like, I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: have no interest in seeing the Turtles movies or the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Transformers movies.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: He's supposed to.
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: That's how this works.
• 57:14
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• 57:17
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• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Talk hard!