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My name is SKUF · Waffle and Sense

• 0:05
  Warren: What um people?
• 0:06
  Warren: It's me, it's your boy Warren, aka Random.
• 0:11
  Warren: Um sorry I'm a little bit tired today.
• 0:15
  Warren: Uh cuz I'm not usually up in the morning.
• 0:18
  Warren: This is around about the time I'm getting out of bed, but that's my own fault.
• 0:22
  Warren: We actually recorded this episode yesterday, but I forgot to turn the mics on.
• 0:27
  Warren: Yeah.
• 0:29
  Warren: Um, so yeah, we're here at Velvet Inc.
• 0:32
  Warren: with my boy Jim Ski.
• 0:34
  Warren: Uh Jimmy, Mr.
• 0:37
  Warren: Scuff, Scuff.
• 0:39
  Warren: And uh, yeah, man.
• 0:42
  Warren: Yeah.
• 0:42
  Warren: Here we go again.
• 0:44
  Warren: We're gonna we're we're gonna do this all again.
• 0:45
  Warren: We're gonna do this all again.
• 0:46
  Warren: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:47
  Warren: Exactly.
• 0:48
  Warren: You know what I mean?
• 0:48
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:50
  Warren: One episode.
• 0:50
  Warren: But I'm not honestly, yesterday was a good episode.
• 0:52
  Warren: Yeah, I think so.
• 0:54
  Warren: But we spoke a lot of stuff after the episode.
• 0:57
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:58
  Warren: Um and it was waffle.
• 1:00
  Warren: It was a lot of waffle.
• 1:03
  Warren: Waffle one cents.
• 1:04
  Warren: But it was a lot of cool stuff as well.
• 1:06
  Warren: True.
• 1:07
  Warren: So that was true.
• 1:08
  Warren: We're gonna do this again, but we're gonna add all of that of extra stuff into the episode as well.
• 1:12
  Warren: That's cool.
• 1:13
  Warren: Um, so Jimmy, uh for those who don't know Jimmy, okay.
• 1:18
  Warren: Um, Jimmy is the owner of Velvet Inc., the tattoo shop on Regent Street Kettering.
• 1:24
  Warren: Uh Jimmy is also you would uh I would call you a local legend.
• 1:30
  Warren: You was an artist.
• 1:32
  Jimsky: I'm graffiti artist, yeah.
• 1:34
  Jimsky: Um yeah, so yeah for many years around Northamptonshire.
• 1:40
  Jimsky: So yeah, pretty much.
• 1:41
  Jimsky: Yeah.
• 1:42
  Warren: So yeah, and you got your roller skates as well, which we didn't really touch on as well.
• 1:46
  Jimsky: Yeah, always got all about them, yeah.
• 1:48
  Jimsky: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48
  Jimsky: The wheels, you know, always, yeah.
• 1:52
  Jimsky: So uh I love some wheels.
• 1:53
  Jimsky: I love the wheels, yeah, man.
• 1:54
  Jimsky: Yeah, man.
• 1:55
  Warren: So yeah, let's let's uh let's just dive straight into it.
• 1:58
  Warren: Uh let's let's talk about Jimmy in school.
• 2:01
  Jimsky: Oh right, okay.
• 2:03
  Jimsky: So Jimmy in school was probably got thrown out of school because doing my like all of my graffiti art.
• 2:13
  Jimsky: Um I was like really passionate about doing like tagging or you know, some form of you know, getting into like graffiti, but actually, well, yeah, they threw me out because of it.
• 2:29
  Jimsky: But you know, calling back years later to do an ice piece um same secondary school as well, by the way.
• 2:37
  Jimsky: But you know, um, but yeah, we done that one.
• 2:40
  Jimsky: Uh my boy got involved, um my son, who's really good at art as well now.
• 2:48
  Jimsky: So yeah, I was that was really cool, man.
• 2:50
  Jimsky: Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
• 2:52
  Warren: So how how old were you again when you I reckon I reckon 14-15?
• 2:57
  Warren: 14-15.
• 2:58
  Jimsky: Yeah, so we're going back to like the 80s.
• 3:00
  Jimsky: So back in the 80s, yeah.
• 3:01
  Jimsky: Yeah, back in the 80s.
• 3:02
  Warren: It's about 14-15.
• 3:04
  Warren: Yeah, pick up a p you you pick up a pen and you start writing cards.
• 3:09
  Warren: What was your first tag?
• 3:10
  Jimsky: Main.
• 3:11
  Jimsky: Main.
• 3:11
  Jimsky: How'd you spell that?
• 3:13
  Jimsky: M-A-I-N-E.
• 3:15
  Jimsky: M-A-I-N-E.
• 3:17
  Jimsky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:18
  Jimsky: So we all got busted.
• 3:20
  Jimsky: Um, yo, this name's been on the whole of like the Queensway estate.
• 3:25
  Jimsky: Um this guy's sorry, sorry.
• 3:28
  Warren: So I'm gonna pause you, I'm gonna pause you and pause you, pause you, pause you.
• 3:30
  Warren: We're going a bit too quick.
• 3:32
  Warren: We will talk about when you got busted, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:35
  Warren: But we're not gonna do it right at the start of the show.
• 3:37
  Jimsky: Forget all about that.
• 3:38
  Warren: No, no, no.
• 3:39
  Warren: We're not gonna talk about it right at the start of the show.
• 3:41
  Warren: We need to keep them in.
• 3:42
  Jimsky: I don't want I don't want to be arrested again, so yeah.
• 3:44
  Warren: So yeah, let's keep it calm.
• 3:46
  Warren: Yeah, um, but yeah, so we could talk about when you got expelled from school, yeah.
• 3:51
  Warren: Go on.
• 3:51
  Warren: Because you was what was you, you were tagging everything, right?
• 3:54
  Warren: Kind of, yeah.
• 3:56
  Jimsky: Um, just I don't know, just I wanted to like just get out there, you know, and I I was trying to like trying to like learn the movement of like the graffiti art, uh, what it meant, or how we get out there.
• 4:16
  Jimsky: Um basically back then I would just put my name up everywhere, and it was like, yeah.
• 4:22
  Warren: Do you do you remember the first bit of graffiti you actually see you saw with your eyes and oh 100%?
• 4:28
  Jimsky: The what inspired you blew me away.
• 4:31
  Warren: Yeah, could you describe it for us?
• 4:33
  Jimsky: Right.
• 4:33
  Jimsky: So, okay, so it was in oh the Arndale car park in Wellingborough, the multi-story, yeah.
• 4:40
  Warren: That's it multi-story back then, yeah.
• 4:43
  Jimsky: Oh, okay.
• 4:43
  Jimsky: Yeah, so it was like on um like a side of a ramp, and like this character like fat laces, you like b-boy character, block shades.
• 4:56
  Jimsky: He's done that.
• 4:58
  Jimsky: That's I've never seen nothing like it in my life, yeah.
• 5:01
  Jimsky: So, yeah, the colours, everything.
• 5:03
  Jimsky: I was like, man, I want to paint like this, you know.
• 5:06
  Jimsky: So, yeah, I think it all came from kind of that yeah, that one picture that first piece um that was really good.
• 5:16
  Jimsky: So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:18
  Warren: Oh, nice, and then that inspired your tag one everything, everything, yeah.
• 5:25
  Jimsky: We'd be going out middle of the night, um tagging away or doing like our little piece, doing some buses, writing our name all over them.
• 5:36
  Jimsky: It's not like that anymore, you know.
• 5:38
  Jimsky: It's more, you know, I do legal stuff now, but you know, the vibe back then was brilliant, you know.
• 5:45
  Jimsky: We'd we'd we'd hit buses during the day, everything tag away, just get your name up.
• 5:52
  Warren: It was all illegal back then, wasn't it?
• 5:54
  Jimsky: It was, yeah.
• 5:55
  Jimsky: Nobody nobody wanted to know you.
• 5:57
  Jimsky: Yeah, you couldn't approach someone and say, Oh mate, I want to paint the side of your building.
• 6:02
  Jimsky: Can you pay me for it?
• 6:04
  Jimsky: Uh no chance, yeah.
• 6:06
  Jimsky: So it has changed.
• 6:08
  Jimsky: Yeah, it has changed.
• 6:09
  Warren: I'm guessing back then it was it was just mainly just looked at just vandalism from uh and it was, you know, it really was, yeah.
• 6:16
  Jimsky: We were vandals back in the day, you know.
• 6:19
  Jimsky: Now we're doing like bright, colourful pieces in good areas or good locations that have been given to us as like a commission.
• 6:32
  Jimsky: So, you know, back then we were like, whatever we can, you know, there's a wall get our name on, yeah, get it on there, yeah, run the risk and you know, have to run away in the middle of the night.
• 6:43
  Warren: You're like ah so you get you get kicked out of school, yeah.
• 6:47
  Warren: Go on, yeah.
• 6:48
  Warren: And uh between school, because you said that you would you you done some building, that's true.
• 6:54
  Warren: When um, but um so in between that you must have had some cool ass adventures, right?
• 6:59
  Warren: Um, I know you was you don't sorry mate, I'm so half tired right now.
• 7:05
  Warren: Don't worry, bro.
• 7:06
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:07
  Warren: Um, but I know you had some adventures.
• 7:10
  Warren: Um tell us about tell us so you used to be part of a crew, right?
• 7:16
  Warren: Yes.
• 7:17
  Jimsky: So we were pretty much the Queensway crew, like Wellingborough.
• 7:24
  Jimsky: We all like used to go down like the Hero Subway, we'd paint all these pieces and everything like that, and um, we're still part of the we're we're still Queensway crew.
• 7:35
  Jimsky: I live in Ketchery now, but to me that was where I was kind of brought up on the Queensway in Wellingborough.
• 7:43
  Jimsky: Yeah, so it's all Northamptonshire, so everything is still Northamptonshire.
• 7:47
  Jimsky: I'm Northamptonshire graffiti writer, so yeah.
• 7:52
  Warren: Yes, yes, yes.
• 7:54
  Warren: The term writer, I would like to talk to you about that, yeah.
• 7:57
  Warren: See, so um we'll we'll we'll move on to the later on the in the show because we're talking about you, right?
• 8:07
  Warren: Um let's talk about um so you were telling us when you used when you got into trouble, you got into you got into trouble twice.
• 8:18
  Warren: Yeah, you you were saying yesterday.
• 8:21
  Jimsky: Yes, uh first time was Yeah, so kind of got grassed up for being this character called Maine, and to be fair, I had my I had my name on every telephone box, signpost, building everywhere.
• 8:42
  Jimsky: So I was I was expecting to get arrested at some point.
• 8:46
  Jimsky: So I I tried to uh like turn it around that that's not me, yeah.
• 8:53
  Jimsky: Um but then we were doing like bus bombing and all what you know what's the bus bombing?
• 8:59
  Jimsky: So bus bombing, so um you get on a bus basically, and it used to be from like the Queensway, uh number 26.
• 9:09
  Jimsky: You get on the bus, right?
• 9:10
  Jimsky: And we just hit it with a marker pen.
• 9:13
  Jimsky: All the inside, blah blah blah.
• 9:15
  Jimsky: Everything, everything with cane it, and um it was getting like more like um the more riskier a tag you did, okay, the more rated you get.
• 9:31
  Warren: Okay, so this was all for just yeah, it's it it was called respect for rep for shit.
• 9:37
  Jimsky: Yeah, it was called bus bus bombing.
• 9:39
  Jimsky: Oh okay.
• 9:39
  Jimsky: So um so yeah, and we'd even sit like um in like an alleyway, right?
• 9:48
  Jimsky: And it was we called it Writer's Alley in Wellingborough.
• 9:52
  Jimsky: So we'd all sit there and this bus would turn up like on a Saturday or whatever, um maybe ten buses, but we all sat there, like maybe eight, ten of us, right?
• 10:05
  Jimsky: All got markers, spray paper.
• 10:07
  Jimsky: It pull up, I had no idea, but we'd just leg it up to the bus, came the whole outside, we're like that writing on the bus.
• 10:17
  Jimsky: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:18
  Jimsky: And the bus driver's like, oh shit, I'm gonna get in trouble.
• 10:20
  Jimsky: Because yeah, bringing bringing his bus back with all these tags all over it, it's like okay.
• 10:26
  Jimsky: How did that happen?
• 10:28
  Jimsky: Kind of thing.
• 10:29
  Warren: Um, I mean, like, I'm sorry as a point of view of the bus driver.
• 10:33
  Jimsky: Yeah, I well, probably got sacked.
• 10:36
  Warren: Probably, yeah.
• 10:37
  Warren: Probably got sacked.
• 10:38
  Jimsky: Because you used to drive buses.
• 10:40
  Warren: I used to drive a bus, yeah.
• 10:41
  Warren: Exactly, yeah.
• 10:41
  Warren: Um, but I'll be honest, in today's and if it in today's age, yeah, um if you was to tag a bus, yeah, do a bus bomb, yeah.
• 10:53
  Warren: Um, well, I know the CCTV only works on like 50% of the buses, anyway.
• 11:00
  Warren: So you'll probably get away with it if you've done it inside.
• 11:03
  Warren: Uh do the outside, yeah.
• 11:05
  Warren: To be honest, they need a liquor paint.
• 11:07
  Warren: Yeah, you've got scratches all over them, yeah, yeah.
• 11:10
  Jimsky: Um, but it is probably not.
• 11:14
  Jimsky: I think that's like the different side of it is when we were first doing this stuff, we used to tag, get your name up.
• 11:24
  Jimsky: It's not quite like that anymore, yeah.
• 11:26
  Jimsky: But yeah, we used to yeah, man, scuff, yeah.
• 11:31
  Jimsky: So you know what I mean?
• 11:33
  Jimsky: So you kind of got rated by other writers, but you know, other people it's just vandalism.
• 11:39
  Warren: So the first time you got into trouble, you got snitched on, right?
• 11:41
  Warren: Kind of, yeah, yeah.
• 11:43
  Warren: I think I did, yeah.
• 11:44
  Jimsky: It was because it was a reward.
• 11:46
  Jimsky: There was a reward out from my head.
• 11:47
  Jimsky: There was a reward, yeah.
• 11:48
  Jimsky: It was a reward.
• 11:49
  Jimsky: Yeah, that man had a bounty on your head.
• 11:52
  Jimsky: Yeah, how much was it?
• 11:54
  Jimsky: It was do you know what?
• 11:55
  Jimsky: Back then, I think it was about two grand, which is two grand! That's a lot of money back then, exactly.
• 12:01
  Jimsky: So everyone's like, ah, I know who this geezer is.
• 12:03
  Jimsky: Two grand.
• 12:04
  Jimsky: Yeah, back then back in the 80s, back in the 80s, yeah.
• 12:07
  Jimsky: That's a lot of money.
• 12:09
  Jimsky: Because we were defacing property or um transport, you know.
• 12:17
  Jimsky: They have to pay that to clean it off.
• 12:19
  Jimsky: You know, I feel bad for it now, but no, I don't, not at all.
• 12:23
  Jimsky: That's part of the whole, but um, I can see where he comes from.
• 12:28
  Jimsky: So, you know, put a reward in this guy's head and let's let's nick him.
• 12:33
  Jimsky: Two grand there, that's that's pretty cool, man.
• 12:35
  Warren: Yeah, that's that's that's pretty cool.
• 12:37
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:38
  Warren: Got man out of bounty on his head.
• 12:40
  Warren: Yeah, so but yeah, when you got caught, because I know you was you you you was telling me you was doing uh a bus bomb, yeah, and uh bus driver runs up and says, Right, next stop, police station.
• 12:53
  Warren: That was it, yeah.
• 12:55
  Jimsky: And I was thinking like jump out the back window, yeah.
• 12:57
  Jimsky: Like the you know, the bit where you like pull the levers, the emergency hatch, right?
• 13:02
  Jimsky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:03
  Jimsky: Hang out and drop, yeah.
• 13:05
  Jimsky: But thankfully, um, so yeah, they were like, yo, next stop, police station.
• 13:11
  Jimsky: We just managed to like um push past a couple of people and go, do you know what we're off this bus?
• 13:18
  Jimsky: But we got grassed up by one of our other boys that was with us.
• 13:23
  Jimsky: We're like, oh, okay.
• 13:25
  Warren: Oh, which sucked.
• 13:28
  Jimsky: We kind of got away with it.
• 13:29
  Warren: Yeah.
• 13:30
  Warren: So and then the second time, man, you were telling me I was undercover sting.
• 13:37
  Warren: Undercover what?
• 13:39
  Warren: You know, the second time you got into trouble by the police, yeah.
• 13:42
  Warren: You were saying so you was there was like a a group, like an art kind of group, and you was there, and but apparently one of the guys who were there was an undercover police officer.
• 13:52
  Warren: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 13:53
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:54
  Warren: Tell us about that.
• 13:54
  Warren: So what was the police?
• 13:56
  Jimsky: So um when we were like, because we were very young, um, we got like it was called the Youth Mural Association.
• 14:07
  Jimsky: Okay.
• 14:08
  Jimsky: Uh my man Nev and Donald sort of run here or whatever.
• 14:13
  Jimsky: But um, so there must have been, I don't know, like 10, 10 artists.
• 14:19
  Jimsky: But what we'd do, we'd we'd all be sat away tagging away our names.
• 14:24
  Jimsky: Because we were just like bored waiting for this like little meeting, but we didn't realise there's an undercover cop.
• 14:31
  Jimsky: And we didn't see that until it's like this guy's a copper.
• 14:36
  Jimsky: He's like, you know what I mean?
• 14:39
  Jimsky: This is undercover to arrest all of us, and that's where that first arrest came from was because he was clocking all of our tags as to who we were.
• 14:52
  Warren: Oh yeah.
• 14:52
  Warren: Have you been arrested for uh how many times have you been arrested for graffiti?
• 14:58
  Jimsky: Um I think should be three, but I think two properly but caution caution, slap on the wrist.
• 15:10
  Jimsky: Thank god yeah, so yeah, because yeah.
• 15:14
  Jimsky: Okay, so what was what was the what was the other time you got into trouble?
• 15:19
  Jimsky: Because I had two.
• 15:20
  Jimsky: Do you know what?
• 15:21
  Jimsky: Um so I did um a wall down Torriton.
• 15:25
  Jimsky: Torriton close, um Torriton Road.
• 15:28
  Jimsky: Where's that?
• 15:29
  Jimsky: In Wellingborough.
• 15:30
  Jimsky: Okay.
• 15:31
  Jimsky: So it became like a prolific wall for like us.
• 15:36
  Jimsky: It was basically a side of a garage wall, okay, and we'd done maybe four or five pieces and all that, and um the the owner said, that's okay.
• 15:52
  Jimsky: I don't think it was their wall though.
• 15:53
  Jimsky: It was it was more like a rented garage, right?
• 15:57
  Jimsky: Right.
• 15:57
  Jimsky: So anyway, so we did the um the Diana piece.
• 16:04
  Jimsky: Princess Diana.
• 16:05
  Jimsky: Princess Diana.
• 16:06
  Jimsky: So it was like a it was a memorial kind of thing.
• 16:08
  Jimsky: It was massive.
• 16:09
  Jimsky: Uh so they put us on like TV and everything, interviewed us and that.
• 16:16
  Jimsky: Um that was really good.
• 16:18
  Jimsky: But uh sort of years later, I went back and I thought, ah, the wall's looking a bit shabby now.
• 16:26
  Jimsky: I'll do my own thing, you know, do a new one.
• 16:29
  Jimsky: Some woman came out and she was like, Will you do a painting on my wall?
• 16:33
  Jimsky: I'm like, sorry?
• 16:35
  Jimsky: She went, you're painting all on my this is my wall weed.
• 16:39
  Jimsky: I was like, okay, I've got permission by the owner.
• 16:44
  Jimsky: They were like, she was like, I am the owner.
• 16:46
  Jimsky: I went, oh, you must be the new owner.
• 16:48
  Jimsky: So called the called the police.
• 16:51
  Jimsky: Before you know it, I was in the station.
• 16:53
  Warren: Yeah.
• 16:53
  Warren: Yeah, kind of, yeah.
• 16:55
  Warren: And you're literally like trying to convince them, I got permission.
• 16:59
  Jimsky: I was like, Do you know what?
• 17:00
  Jimsky: Look at look at the rubbish like that's there.
• 17:03
  Jimsky: It's all flaky paint.
• 17:05
  Jimsky: I'm I'm putting something kind of.
• 17:07
  Warren: I'm making it nice, I'm making dynamics.
• 17:10
  Jimsky: She won't have it.
• 17:10
  Jimsky: So um they went, you need to leave that wall alone.
• 17:14
  Jimsky: Don't ever paint that wall again.
• 17:16
  Jimsky: I'm like, that's a shame because that was our prolific wall as a Wellingborough kind of crew, the Queensway crew.
• 17:23
  Jimsky: We all used to go down there, play tunes, put a nice piece on the wall.
• 17:28
  Jimsky: So yeah.
• 17:30
  Warren: Yeah.
• 17:31
  Warren: So where did so you were main?
• 17:34
  Jimsky: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Warren: And then you became scuff.
• 17:37
  Jimsky: Yes.
• 17:38
  Warren: How did that transition happen?
• 17:40
  Jimsky: Oh, do you know what?
• 17:41
  Jimsky: Um, so I had to give up on Maine because people were chasing me for it.
• 17:45
  Jimsky: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Jimsky: Okay.
• 17:46
  Jimsky: Um, and um, someone said to me, saying about that scuff, and I'm like, actually that suits me.
• 17:54
  Jimsky: Kind of like the name Scuff.
• 17:56
  Jimsky: So I went like, Mr.
• 17:58
  Jimsky: Scuff, Scuff One, Scuffer, Scuff Ski.
• 18:01
  Jimsky: Anything but Scuff.
• 18:02
  Jimsky: And I still write now.
• 18:04
  Jimsky: So, yeah, scuff is the one for me.
• 18:07
  Jimsky: I don't think I can change my name now.
• 18:09
  Jimsky: No.
• 18:09
  Jimsky: I think it's part of me now.
• 18:11
  Jimsky: It is, it is, it is the same as the graphilicious, you know.
• 18:16
  Jimsky: It's just, it's just that part of, you know, but I don't really go out and tag anymore.
• 18:22
  Jimsky: I did back in the day, just get my name, but it is vandalism, you know.
• 18:27
  Jimsky: I'd rather just do like a nice piece, you know.
• 18:30
  Jimsky: So beautiful for everyone.
• 18:33
  Jimsky: Yeah, no, yeah, no, I hear you, I hear you.
• 18:35
  Jimsky: We're way past tagging now.
• 18:37
  Warren: So you don't do tags?
• 18:38
  Warren: No, tags, tags, tags, yeah, yeah.
• 18:41
  Warren: And then I think the what's bigger than a tag is a throw-up, right?
• 18:44
  Warren: We was talking about this yesterday.
• 18:45
  Warren: And a throw-up, if you want to tell the people what a throw-up is, yeah, yeah.
• 18:50
  Jimsky: So like a throw-up is like a dub.
• 18:52
  Jimsky: So it's like normally kind of like black and silver, so it stands out.
• 18:58
  Jimsky: Uh, you'd see it like on a main train line, and it'd say blah blah blah.
• 19:02
  Jimsky: Do you know what I mean?
• 19:03
  Jimsky: But it stands out.
• 19:05
  Warren: It's like a big colourful tag, yes, kind of maybe a little doodle, but it's yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:11
  Warren: Just give me your name.
• 19:12
  Warren: It's quick, it's spray it on the wall, get the hell out.
• 19:16
  Warren: Exactly.
• 19:17
  unknown: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Warren: 100%.
• 19:18
  Warren: And then you got your your piece, yes, which is the bigger, yeah, glorious.
• 19:27
  Jimsky: Could be two, three days.
• 19:28
  Jimsky: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Jimsky: Worked on it.
• 19:29
  Jimsky: Same as what we did at War Games, you know.
• 19:31
  Jimsky: War games, yeah.
• 19:32
  Jimsky: You know, when when we went to the war games, you know, it's you know, you're not there for one day, you're there for a couple, you know.
• 19:39
  Jimsky: But you know, that's that's that's the proper art side of graffiti art.
• 19:46
  Jimsky: Yeah, you know.
• 19:48
  Warren: Yeah, now some of that you you brought up after the podcast was this book that we have here.
• 19:57
  Warren: Uh the book, right?
• 19:58
  Warren: Old, what's it called?
• 20:00
  Warren: The old Old So Cool.
• 20:01
  Warren: The Old So Cool.
• 20:02
  Warren: Yeah, man.
• 20:03
  Warren: With a K.
• 20:04
  Warren: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Warren: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Warren: Who's the author on that?
• 20:07
  Warren: So it's Paul Pilgrim and Stephen O'Hara.
• 20:11
  Warren: Sweet, sweet, sweet.
• 20:12
  Warren: Do you want to lift it up and just show the camera quick?
• 20:14
  Warren: Because uh this is a this is a cool book.
• 20:17
  Warren: Um, obviously that's got his logo on there, Grapholicious.
• 20:21
  Warren: Yeah, um, it's a cool book, and you're actually featured in this book as well.
• 20:25
  Warren: It's proper thick as well, man.
• 20:27
  Warren: It's a thick book.
• 20:28
  Warren: Yeah, it really is.
• 20:29
  Warren: And um, yeah, if you want to open the book a second, okay.
• 20:32
  Warren: Because there was one bit.
• 20:36
  Warren: I put a thing in there for you.
• 20:39
  Warren: Now, there's this one.
• 20:45
  Warren: Oh, hold on, it's on the wire there.
• 20:47
  Jimsky: Okay.
• 20:47
  Jimsky: Try not to Do you want me to put it in front of the camera for you?
• 20:50
  Warren: Uh no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 20:51
  Warren: You you just hold it, you just hold it.
• 20:53
  Warren: I will get I'll I'll get a close-up at the end.
• 20:59
  Warren: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Warren: Um, but you have you see the vans there.
• 21:03
  Jimsky: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Warren: That van was done in 1988.
• 21:07
  Warren: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Warren: Uh Wellingborough.
• 21:09
  Warren: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Warren: By yourself.
• 21:11
  Warren: It says here, Maine, and in bracket, scuff.
• 21:14
  Warren: I'm guessing you was Maine back then.
• 21:16
  Warren: Yes.
• 21:17
  Warren: Um, but now you're scuff.
• 21:19
  Warren: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Warren: Um, let's now you there was a story behind the van.
• 21:25
  Warren: Um before you talk about the story.
• 21:29
  Warren: Shall I shut the book or yeah, yeah, close the book, close the book, close, close the book.
• 21:33
  Warren: Close the book, close the book.
• 21:34
  Warren: Yeah.
• 21:35
  Warren: You want to get yourself comfy behind the microphone again.
• 21:37
  Warren: Um, so yeah, there's a story behind uh the van.
• 21:43
  Warren: Before we go into the the the thing, um I'm trying to do that loud.
• 21:50
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, you did, but I'm trying to I'm I'm trying to say it in a way where I don't get snowflakes, like you.
• 21:59
  Warren: Gotta cancel him because he said the P word.
• 22:03
  Jimsky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:03
  Jimsky: And um, because it it was just more of a funny kind of thing, you know.
• 22:08
  Jimsky: We were trying to find our way into like doing graffiti, and it was like one of our first commissions we did.
• 22:15
  Jimsky: So um, yeah, we fucked up one side.
• 22:18
  Jimsky: Sorry, it's alright, it's alright.
• 22:20
  Jimsky: Right, so we messed up one side of the van, and but back then we didn't have like loads of cans of paint like you have now.
• 22:29
  Jimsky: So, like, oh just go over it if it don't look good.
• 22:32
  Jimsky: So we ran a got like this red paint out.
• 22:37
  Jimsky: Me and my guy, um Epic, and um he'd paint this side of this this van like red to go over what we'd done.
• 22:49
  Jimsky: I'm like, what the hell were you doing?
• 22:51
  Jimsky: So we just let we we went royal mouth on it, just jokingly, sort of thing.
• 22:58
  Jimsky: But it all came out good and that, but that was the first of like this guy's like disco or whatever, quit him out there back in the day, yeah.
• 23:06
  Warren: You know, that was the 80s.
• 23:07
  Warren: So that was so a guy to did so.
• 23:10
  Warren: This guy, did he actually pay you to paint this van?
• 23:13
  Warren: Not really, no, no, but it was his van, yeah.
• 23:16
  Warren: He said, Right, this is my van.
• 23:18
  Warren: Yeah, I want you to paint my is this his brand, isn't it?
• 23:22
  Warren: Really?
• 23:22
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:23
  Jimsky: This is his brand, this is his it was wacky packy, yeah.
• 23:26
  Jimsky: And it's like nobody put themselves out there before saying wacky packy.
• 23:32
  Jimsky: So we did it, and but oh my god, he's still doing it now.
• 23:37
  Warren: Yeah, do you does he still call himself that?
• 23:39
  Jimsky: Yeah, I think so, yeah.
• 23:41
  Warren: Yeah, and he's a DJ as well.
• 23:42
  Warren: Yeah, shout out he's quite prolific, actually, around yeah, yeah, Shire.
• 23:48
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:49
  Warren: Shout out wacky packy, yeah.
• 23:51
  Warren: There you go.
• 23:52
  Warren: Um, yeah, man.
• 23:53
  Warren: That's uh that's which I think is crazy.
• 23:56
  Jimsky: Yeah, a bit of old school.
• 23:57
  Warren: It is absolutely crazy.
• 23:59
  Warren: Um, you know, a DJ calling himself that, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:03
  Warren: Telling you to do that.
• 24:05
  Warren: Yeah.
• 24:05
  Warren: Um, you were telling me as well.
• 24:08
  Warren: What the hell's going on?
• 24:11
  Warren: Device overheated.
• 24:14
  Warren: What?
• 24:15
  Warren: Right, so um, we got no camera for a minute because my camera is saying it's overheated.
• 24:21
  Warren: You already won't charge it.
• 24:22
  Warren: Yeah.
• 24:22
  Warren: No, I'm going to uh give me a second.
• 24:25
  Warren: Yeah.
• 24:27
  unknown: Okay.
• 24:28
  Warren: Yeah.
• 24:28
  Warren: Oh my days.
• 24:32
  Warren: Do you know what?
• 24:33
  Warren: We're just gonna do it audio for a bit.
• 24:35
  Warren: Okay.
• 24:36
  Warren: Because I can't believe that this is a first, that is.
• 24:42
  Warren: Um that's frustrating, but we're still gonna continue because the show never stops.
• 24:50
  Warren: Um, yeah, I can't believe that.
• 24:53
  Warren: That's crazy.
• 24:55
  Warren: Anyway, where was we?
• 24:57
  Warren: Wall games, yes, War Games 2026.
• 25:02
  Warren: Now let's go back to uh tell the people what Wall Games actually is.
• 25:07
  Warren: Right, okay.
• 25:08
  Jimsky: So the Wall Games, um I think I first started on there 2019, maybe they're like four from um, but it's basically it's so many artists all coming together to paint the town.
• 25:29
  Jimsky: Um amazing pieces of work, blah blah blah.
• 25:33
  Jimsky: Um, but we got shut down um kind of by the council and that because other people were starting to run off a little bit off track and write on other buildings that they shouldn't be writing on.
• 25:47
  Jimsky: So all of us are like we're we're all vetted artists, okay?
• 25:51
  Jimsky: So we've all got like a a wall that that's yours and that's your space, and that's your space, and blah blah blah.
• 26:00
  Jimsky: But um, but this year, 340 artists, oh my gosh, you know, what a weekend, yeah.
• 26:07
  Warren: It was I was there for what three days, yeah, yeah, wicked, yeah, and um met some of the best artists ever.
• 26:16
  Warren: Yeah, there was some absolutely crazy, crazy pieces there all over the places, yeah.
• 26:22
  Warren: Um, you know, you you just turn a corner, you see someone spraying a designated wall, and yeah, yeah.
• 26:30
  Jimsky: And I and I think the whole good thing about all of it was people really appreciated what we were doing, you know, yeah.
• 26:40
  Warren: So yeah, yeah, you did add a an extra level of colour to Northampton.
• 26:46
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:47
  Warren: Um, because you know, let's face it, Northampton.
• 26:50
  Jimsky: I've I've never seen so many cameras or people videoing, yeah, or people wanting to sit and watch or be a part of that vibe, listen to some music, watch the art, watch the culture, which do you know what I mean?
• 27:06
  Jimsky: So just I don't know, it was all it just so good, man.
• 27:09
  Warren: It was good to be able to actually meet some of the artists as well, yeah, yeah.
• 27:13
  Jimsky: Um you come over, we were on we're under like a bloody umbrella.
• 27:17
  Jimsky: Umbrella, yeah, because it was pissing it down with the rain, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:20
  Jimsky: And that's and that's that's true dedication, yeah, you know, and there were like I don't know, 10 writers and you underneath this one like little parasol, yeah that we're trying to keep you know what I mean, keep dry.
• 27:35
  Warren: But yeah, we've soaked, all of us.
• 27:37
  Warren: It was it was very wet.
• 27:38
  Warren: Now, um this is something that I learnt at war games, yeah, but it's something that if you're watching, you're going to be picking up quite, you know, you said it a few times, the term writer.
• 27:53
  Warren: Um for the for people who don't know who aren't about the community, explain what a writer is.
• 28:00
  Jimsky: So a graffiti writer is someone who wants to express themselves, okay?
• 28:08
  Jimsky: And they want to kind of put their name out there for someone else to see, yeah.
• 28:15
  Jimsky: And then once they've done that, they can then progress into letting them see what your real art is in graffiti art.
• 28:27
  Jimsky: It's not just a tag anymore, it's more expression or the real sort of pieces of like proper artwork, you know.
• 28:40
  Jimsky: And that's what it is, I think.
• 28:42
  Jimsky: Now, you know, I think we've you know, we can all tag, but you know, that's I think to me is the main thing is like expression and showing what you can do and inspire people, inspiration, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:59
  Warren: Yeah, um also something I wanted to uh talk about is um if you if you are in Northampton and you see all the graffiti pieces, um you will notice that there is a H on a lot of a lot of pieces.
• 29:20
  Warren: Yes.
• 29:20
  Warren: Um I I will let you tell them who what that H is, who that H is, what it represents, and what happened to the fella.
• 29:29
  Jimsky: Yeah, so um so the H is like a block H.
• 29:36
  Jimsky: So you might see it when you go on a motorway, you might see Helch, um, and it's everywhere.
• 29:46
  Jimsky: Um, he's got like this block kind of style, block lettering, but his main one is like a block hedge, and the whole of the wall games, um most of the people are painted there, and we even did it on our on our piece as well, with like some little sun rays coming off.
• 30:06
  Jimsky: But basically, Helch um had passed away on the Friday, and we started painting on Saturday, so everyone was painting a block H or Helch, and it's it's it's it's prolific, it's really well known.
• 30:23
  Jimsky: London graffiti artist, so yeah, big loss to the game, bro.
• 30:27
  Jimsky: Rest in peace, Helch.
• 30:28
  Jimsky: Um, did you ever meet the nah?
• 30:30
  Jimsky: Never met him, never met him, but I know yeah, I know his work, and you know, you can't miss him, man.
• 30:37
  Jimsky: Like that block H is just well, you know, you can see it everywhere, yeah, yeah, and even more so now, yeah.
• 30:45
  Warren: Literally, and a lot of pieces in Northampton, yeah.
• 30:50
  Warren: You would you would see the H.
• 30:53
  Jimsky: It was just so nice to see the respects as well of like uh uh of like a legend.
• 31:00
  Jimsky: So yeah.
• 31:02
  Warren: Yeah, rest in peace, Helch.
• 31:04
  Warren: There we go.
• 31:05
  Warren: Rest in peace, Helch.
• 31:06
  Warren: 100%.
• 31:07
  Warren: Um I had a question yesterday.
• 31:11
  Warren: We were talking and uh we was outside having a conversation, and I managed to get a weird kind of insight of your creative process because I was looking at the the building behind us in the background, and then all of a sudden you just got really creative, and you were saying you were telling me, like, oh, do you know what would look good if I'd done this and I'd done that and I'd done this and I'd done that, and uh yeah.
• 31:37
  Warren: So I wanted to question you a bit on your creative process.
• 31:40
  Warren: Okay, like how do you like look at a wall and be like, you know what would look good?
• 31:45
  Jimsky: I see every wall is like a piece in wall uh when I walk by it, it could be brick, concrete, or whatever, yeah, but I've always got that kind of oh, I'd love to do that on the wall.
• 31:57
  Jimsky: So I've got my own kind of style now, you know, but I always switch it up as well.
• 32:03
  Jimsky: I don't do the same style, um, but to me, I've got like kind of like I like that Sherlock Holmes-y kind of cowboy feel to and then with my letter in.
• 32:15
  Jimsky: So I've always got that vision of like seeing like a blank canvas or like the wall behind us now.
• 32:23
  Jimsky: Beautiful building, but I've got it in my mind, it's like, oh that look wicked, bro.
• 32:28
  Warren: So yeah.
• 32:30
  Warren: And uh Scuff, no, Grafalicious, sorry, not scuffilicious, graphalicious.
• 32:35
  Warren: Yeah, the cowboy.
• 32:37
  Warren: Yeah, what what gave you what was the uh the inspiration behind that?
• 32:42
  Jimsky: Just like um to me, I wear quite a few like cowboy hats.
• 32:48
  Jimsky: I like that kind of style, but it was more like an outlaw with a bandana, put it over your face, you got the cowboy out, nobody's gonna see who you are.
• 32:59
  Jimsky: Yeah, go and do your shit in the middle of the night, and you know what I mean.
• 33:04
  Jimsky: So outlawry, yeah, but as like a graffiti eyes, well, added level of mystery to it.
• 33:10
  Jimsky: Yeah, so that's where graph issues come from, yeah.
• 33:13
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, that's cool, that's cool.
• 33:15
  Jimsky: Because I'm just looking at the picture and that is that's kind of my brand now, so yeah, or logo if you see.
• 33:22
  Warren: I'm literally just looking at the picture behind you right now, yeah.
• 33:25
  Warren: And um, this is the first time I've actually stopped and looked at it in detail.
• 33:31
  Warren: Yeah, um, this is recording.
• 33:33
  Warren: I've got this recording now again.
• 33:36
  Warren: Um, so I will be zooming in onto this picture, but if you have a look, you got the the the graphish is the logo, yeah.
• 33:44
  Warren: You see a subway train to the left.
• 33:47
  Warren: That's true.
• 33:47
  Warren: Did you have you ever done any trains at all?
• 33:50
  Warren: I've done a couple, yeah.
• 33:52
  Jimsky: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:53
  Jimsky: Really risky, bro.
• 33:54
  Jimsky: Is it?
• 33:55
  Jimsky: You don't realise how big a train is until you get up.
• 33:58
  Jimsky: Um they're right when they're on a station, yeah.
• 34:02
  Jimsky: When you got a platform, but when they're in a yard, yeah, they're so much taller, mate.
• 34:10
  Jimsky: You need something to stand on.
• 34:12
  Warren: So where did where did you cause how I don't know anything about this?
• 34:17
  Warren: So how would you like is there like a do you like break into the yard?
• 34:22
  Warren: Or do you break the train station?
• 34:24
  Jimsky: You can't you can't just go in there, you can't just you need to um you need to work it out as what times trains run, or you know, who's gonna be about, how you're gonna get in there.
• 34:38
  Jimsky: Everything's fenced like fenced off now.
• 34:40
  Jimsky: You know, you've got helicopters that have, you know, so you've got to be so careful, man.
• 34:45
  Jimsky: Back in the day of the back in the day, yeah, yeah.
• 34:48
  Jimsky: I wouldn't want to do one now, but back in the day it would be like, yeah, just go for it, kind of simple hop the fence, run up.
• 34:56
  Jimsky: Yeah, but now it's it everything is like barbed wire, it's yeah, it's is there like a a spot where you would break into or I know a couple, but it's not really in my nature anymore.
• 35:08
  Jimsky: It's no that obviously this isn't you, but but that's the fun part then.
• 35:12
  Jimsky: That's the buzz, is when if you can do something like that and run away from it and then see it next day, yeah.
• 35:20
  Warren: Do you know what I mean?
• 35:21
  Warren: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 35:23
  Warren: And um I've done a couple.
• 35:27
  Warren: You've done a couple, yeah.
• 35:28
  Warren: I've done a couple, done a couple, cool, cool, cool.
• 35:31
  Warren: Um, because I don't know, would you uh it'd be cool if you had some pictures.
• 35:36
  Warren: Do you have any pictures?
• 35:36
  Warren: No, I do have pictures, yeah.
• 35:38
  Warren: Sweet, you have to send them over and then Mr.
• 35:40
  Jimsky: Smith right on the right on the front main engine, mate.
• 35:44
  Jimsky: Yeah, so yeah.
• 35:46
  Jimsky: Yeah, I still got them, man.
• 35:47
  Jimsky: Yeah, I still got them.
• 35:49
  Warren: Nice, nice.
• 35:49
  Warren: I'm guessing you'd done that with the old school crew when that.
• 35:52
  Warren: Yeah.
• 35:53
  Warren: Cool.
• 35:54
  Warren: Well, yeah, pretty much.
• 35:55
  Warren: Cool, cool, cool.
• 35:56
  Warren: And you was telling me about when you broke in, you got chased by dogs in a busyard.
• 36:02
  Jimsky: Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:03
  Jimsky: So we um me and my man Pace, he's not with us anymore, but rest in peace.
• 36:08
  Jimsky: Uh, yeah, and um we pretty much we did this like bus yard, and we didn't realise that there was like these big dogs until near enough to the last little bit.
• 36:21
  Jimsky: These great big rock whilers came running after us, and we had to pretty much jump over this wall or whatever.
• 36:29
  Jimsky: They're like biting on our ankles and all.
• 36:32
  Jimsky: I was like, ah wow!
• 36:33
  Warren: So yeah, crazy, mad, crazy, crazy.
• 36:36
  Warren: Bad times, crazy.
• 36:38
  Warren: So now, yeah, you're a tattooist and you do commission art.
• 36:43
  Warren: Yeah, I know you've done a lot of work for local businesses as well.
• 36:48
  Warren: Yeah, um uh I know there was a bar because when I was working in the bar, yeah, yeah, there was another bar which they tried to copy our formula with the because we had you know, we was working with I ain't gonna say his name on camera because he doesn't earn the respect, but I used to work in this bar and uh we had he paid some graffiti artists.
• 37:16
  Warren: Actually, no, I wanted to talk to you about this actually, yeah, because so this bar that I used to work in, you know the name of the bar, we're not gonna say the name of the bar.
• 37:25
  Warren: Okay, and um we it did have loads of uh pictures, which was done by a graffiti artist.
• 37:31
  Warren: I think it was good good work as well.
• 37:33
  Warren: But now his how he'd done his graffiti was very different.
• 37:38
  Warren: What he would do is he would use a projector.
• 37:41
  Warren: Okay, he would get a picture off of Google, yeah, put it on a projector and project it on the ward, yeah, yeah, and he would literally just trace it, follow lines, follow the lines, yeah.
• 37:52
  Warren: What do you think about that?
• 37:54
  Jimsky: Um Do you know what?
• 37:56
  Jimsky: It's it's a strange one because even now is it's even better than that now for someone to do something like that because you've got these VR cameras, so it's all mapped out, so you're just tracing lines.
• 38:12
  Jimsky: But yeah, um, my son did it because me and him worked together for the first time, and he's like, Oh dad, I'll just I don't know how I'm gonna put this image onto the wall.
• 38:25
  Jimsky: So he used his mum's projector because she worked for the NHS or whatever, and he basically put the image on the wall and traced around it.
• 38:34
  Jimsky: And um he's like, Dad, you're like you've done so many pieces, you know, so much, and I'm still working on this little area.
• 38:44
  Jimsky: So it's because you're not used to it, but I normally work off of if I see my outline, I work off of that and work off onto the wall.
• 38:55
  Jimsky: I don't need to trace it, you know what I mean?
• 38:58
  Jimsky: So yeah.
• 38:59
  Jimsky: Yeah, it's some people say it's a cheat, you know.
• 39:03
  Jimsky: Maybe it is, maybe it ain't.
• 39:06
  Jimsky: It depends on the end result, doesn't it?
• 39:08
  Warren: Yeah, like as long as it looks beautiful, then speaking with other graffiti artists, especially the war games.
• 39:14
  Jimsky: It's just not a graffiti artist thing.
• 39:16
  Jimsky: Graffiti artists would slate you, yeah.
• 39:19
  Jimsky: Street artists would be cool with it, okay, but graffiti artists would say, Why are you using a straight edge?
• 39:26
  Jimsky: Why are you using tape?
• 39:28
  Jimsky: Why are you using a VR camera?
• 39:30
  Jimsky: Can you not do this out of your because that's where we came from?
• 39:34
  Jimsky: So, but a lot of street artists, I get it.
• 39:37
  Jimsky: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 39:39
  Warren: Because from an outsider looking here, like I didn't think when I first seen it, yeah, I seen him do it, I was like, oh, that's a good idea of doing it, you know.
• 39:50
  Warren: Now I've seen more into the graffiti and I've spoken to to artists, um, you know, having their opinion on stencils and stuff like that.
• 40:03
  Warren: Yeah, I s it is kind of cheating.
• 40:07
  Jimsky: Do you know what?
• 40:08
  Jimsky: It's I mean, I worked at the Wall Games uh, you know, just two weeks gone, but you know, certain artists there, like Daisy, be like, ah, fucking are you using straight edge?
• 40:21
  Jimsky: You know what I mean?
• 40:22
  Jimsky: You you don't do that, don't do that, yeah.
• 40:24
  Jimsky: You don't do that.
• 40:25
  Jimsky: You freehand, you know, you cast you cast it with your hand, not with tape or especially with a lot of the the pieces that you get slayed, bro.
• 40:36
  Warren: Yeah, with a lot of the pieces that we're seeing, you know.
• 40:38
  Warren: I've seen some real lifelike faces, yeah, yeah, lifelike pictures all done by free.
• 40:43
  Warren: Amazing, amazing.
• 40:44
  Warren: Um, yeah, there's one of uh proper can skills chatty man uh Alan Carr.
• 40:50
  Warren: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:51
  Warren: Great detail, yeah.
• 40:53
  Warren: Nasher, yeah.
• 40:54
  Warren: Great detail.
• 40:55
  Warren: I don't think I don't I didn't see him put it up, no, but there's no way he could use a projector because of the location of it, yeah, yeah.
• 41:02
  Warren: It's right next to a road.
• 41:04
  Warren: If you use a projector, people get run over.
• 41:06
  Jimsky: Amazing bit of work.
• 41:07
  Warren: Yeah, it's brilliant.
• 41:08
  Warren: The detail, yeah, yeah.
• 41:09
  Jimsky: Detail, yeah.
• 41:10
  Jimsky: Something was like, ah, is Austin Powers like nice bloody Alan Carr.
• 41:14
  Jimsky: Come on, come on, yeah.
• 41:18
  Warren: Well, it's yeah, to be honest, it's crazy to that.
• 41:21
  Warren: They know who Austin Powers is.
• 41:23
  Warren: Well, yeah, because you know, yeah, yeah.
• 41:25
  Warren: You you you speak to anyone these days, you speak to a kid who's Austin Powers.
• 41:28
  Warren: You know, they're trying to cancel Ali G now.
• 41:30
  Warren: True, you know, he's got a new movie out.
• 41:33
  Warren: Right, okay.
• 41:34
  Warren: Have you not heard?
• 41:35
  Warren: No.
• 41:35
  Warren: Ali G?
• 41:36
  Warren: Remember Ali G?
• 41:37
  Warren: I love her.
• 41:38
  Warren: Is it because I'm black?
• 41:39
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:40
  Warren: Yeah, so what he's done is we're going off topic now, but fuck it, we're here.
• 41:46
  Warren: Excuse my French, I just swore.
• 41:47
  Warren: Sorry.
• 41:48
  Warren: Um, he's got a new movie out, okay, and it's called Ali G, Who Is I?
• 41:54
  Warren: And he's gone down the documentary route, like the Borat, like you know, like a lot of his other stuff where he's interviewing and he's gone down that instead of you know a whole fictional story like the first movie, it's it's down that that area there.
• 42:11
  Warren: Now, a lot of people are trying to call are trying to they're trying to cancel it.
• 42:16
  Warren: Yeah, they're trying to say it's racist.
• 42:18
  Warren: You're gonna get it.
• 42:19
  Warren: He's gonna, yeah.
• 42:20
  Warren: You're gonna get it.
• 42:21
  Warren: But um But I think it's I think it's just funny.
• 42:24
  Jimsky: It's just oh, it's brilliant.
• 42:26
  Warren: It's it's yeah, I don't think it's racist at all.
• 42:28
  Warren: Yeah, no, no, no.
• 42:29
  Warren: What he's doing is he's using the character to break down people's um what's the word?
• 42:36
  Warren: He's he's he's he's he's he's he's acting an idiot to to to to to drop people's guard and to show them who they really are.
• 42:47
  Jimsky: Yep, yeah.
• 42:47
  Jimsky: You know what I mean?
• 42:48
  Jimsky: Make them think um he's thick, yeah.
• 42:51
  Warren: He's thick as hell.
• 42:52
  Warren: I can say whatever I want to him, he don't even understand what I'm saying.
• 42:55
  Warren: When he's actually really clever, yeah, you know, but that's like the cleverest guy in the room, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:00
  Warren: He's always the cleverest guy in the room, yeah, and that's how he's able to get it.
• 43:03
  Warren: That's it.
• 43:05
  Warren: And he he's exposed a lot of crazy shit over the time, yeah.
• 43:10
  Warren: Um, you know, um, but yeah, no, Ali G, who was I?
• 43:15
  Warren: I'm going to actually try to do an episode on that body because um council culture is fucking crazy these days.
• 43:23
  Warren: Crazy.
• 43:24
  Warren: Let's talk about the tattoos, okay.
• 43:27
  Warren: Um, because you know, your shop is pretty cool, and I've just noticed the astronaut coming out of the TV over there.
• 43:34
  Warren: That is epic.
• 43:36
  Warren: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Warren: Um, what got you into the tattoo scene?
• 43:41
  Warren: Graffiti.
• 43:42
  Warren: Graffiti.
• 43:43
  Warren: Graffiti, yeah.
• 43:44
  Warren: But there must have been like a transition, or someone must have said, hey, you I reckon you'll be good at tattoos, or well, basically what happened was um so I worked in the building for a lot of years, many a years, really.
• 44:00
  Jimsky: Really good business with my two brothers, and um yeah, and but basically um I came away from that and I said, Do you know what I want to go and do my art, I want to get paid for doing art, but I couldn't find that transition of being paid for graffiti, and um so the next form was doing like tattoos, and basically I'd had two big portfolios, and I mean big portfolios, really well presented, that I showed to another artist that basically somebody else had like big me upset, oh you need to look at his work, and the guy that I spoke to at the time is like I'm not really interested in seeing other people's work, you know.
• 44:51
  Jimsky: Everyone says, Oh, I can draw this, I can draw that, but he took the time out and he looked at all of my artwork and he said, Do you know what?
• 44:59
  Jimsky: It's probably best cut of portfolios I've seen in maybe a couple of years.
• 45:04
  Jimsky: So I was like, Do you know what?
• 45:06
  Jimsky: Do you reckon I could do this?
• 45:07
  Jimsky: And he went, a lot of people I'd say no, but I would, yeah, I'll back you.
• 45:13
  Jimsky: So that's how I got into it.
• 45:14
  Jimsky: So yeah, here we go.
• 45:16
  Warren: And uh so then from there, yeah, where you would go.
• 45:19
  Warren: Yeah, what was it like an apprenticeship?
• 45:21
  Warren: Did you put a shop?
• 45:24
  Jimsky: What's the story?
• 45:24
  Jimsky: Bit of everything, bit of everything.
• 45:26
  Jimsky: Um, I started doing um a couple of like tattoo designs um to begin with for the artist, because he he just loved that kind of that urban feel, and um yeah, and then I was like, oh, maybe I'm maybe gonna make the uh transition and you know, move to doing tattooing.
• 45:51
  Jimsky: Um, and then yeah, he took me on.
• 45:53
  Jimsky: And uh so I did four years of him.
• 45:55
  Jimsky: Four years, yeah, four years apprenticeship, yeah.
• 45:58
  Jimsky: So yeah, I had to work hard, bus pub all's off.
• 46:02
  Jimsky: Yeah, so yeah, head my head, head down the toilet sometimes to do what I mean, just to gain my place, yeah, you know, work hard at it, and um yeah, and then someone else will will say, you know what, you deserve a chance to to do this.
• 46:19
  Warren: Yeah, and now you hear velvet ink, yes, tattoos, yeah.
• 46:24
  Warren: You done my tattoo.
• 46:25
  Warren: This is how we actually first met, yeah.
• 46:27
  Jimsky: Um yeah, man.
• 46:29
  Jimsky: I think I think we've been doing it 16 years now, but yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
• 46:34
  Warren: Got the tattoo there, yeah.
• 46:35
  Jimsky: Um, so yeah.
• 46:37
  Warren: Let me tell you this, let me tell them the story has have tell them the story how we first met.
• 46:44
  Jimsky: Well, you're just a magical guy, aren't you?
• 46:46
  Jimsky: Yeah, so yeah.
• 46:48
  Jimsky: Um, oh gosh, yeah.
• 46:50
  Jimsky: He came into the studio and said, sort of um, I want some magical sort of um as a tattoo as to what I want, sort of thing.
• 47:00
  Jimsky: So yeah, we kind of we went from there.
• 47:02
  Jimsky: Uh Warren would bring in like his cards and um yeah, yeah, tricks us with his with his trick.
• 47:10
  Warren: Trick with my magic and that, yeah.
• 47:11
  Warren: But then I was uh I'm I'm still I'm a magician, I still do my magic.
• 47:14
  Warren: Quite years ago, wasn't it?
• 47:15
  Warren: It was a few years ago, yeah.
• 47:16
  Warren: I was a lot skinnier and I didn't have all of this hair on my head either.
• 47:20
  Warren: We've been doing that a long time, haven't we?
• 47:21
  Warren: Yeah, uh getting old, broke.
• 47:23
  Warren: It was, yeah.
• 47:24
  Warren: So I remember I had the idea of having two jokers, yeah, and the words what the eyes see and the is here, the mind believes, which is a quote from Harry Houdini.
• 47:37
  Warren: And I went to loads of tattoo shops in town, and I told him, Look, I want two playing cards, like you know, my arm horizontal and the writing.
• 47:46
  Warren: And everyone's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it will look great, it will look great, it will look great.
• 47:50
  Warren: This guy, Jimmy, said, Nah, mate, that's gonna look crap, it's gonna look terrible.
• 47:56
  Warren: I'll uh if you want to do it, you should do it like this.
• 48:00
  Warren: Have the words, have the two jokers and the words underneath, and so no one's heads being twisted over around to try to read what it says, and it will look so much better that way.
• 48:12
  Warren: And then that's when I was like, you know what?
• 48:14
  Warren: This guy knows his stuff because you know, anyone can be a yes man, true, but to be honest, yeah, it's what you want, is that that's exactly what I want to hear, you know.
• 48:27
  Warren: Yeah, and um, hence the reason why I always rate Jimmy and I always rate his tattoos um because you know, if you come in here and it's gonna look crap in ten years, or you know, if someone's you're gonna have to do a uh uh upside down hand stand to you're gonna tell them, you're gonna tell them, ain't you?
• 48:48
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 48:48
  Warren: Which is not many tattoo artists will do, they just want your money.
• 48:52
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:52
  Warren: But you you just give them the straight, honest advice, um, which is you know, which is one of the reasons why Velvet Ink got the poster here.
• 49:03
  Warren: Boom.
• 49:05
  Jimsky: Pow pow pow.
• 49:06
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:07
  Warren: Um, I'm keeping this bug.
• 49:10
  Warren: Do you know what you can can you do me a favour?
• 49:12
  Warren: Go on.
• 49:12
  Warren: Could you do a tag for us?
• 49:16
  Warren: Of course.
• 49:16
  Warren: Waffle and Sense.
• 49:18
  Warren: Waffle and sense.
• 49:19
  Warren: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Warren: Let me give you, yeah, on the back of that.
• 49:22
  Warren: Yeah.
• 49:22
  Warren: Um, do you know what my logo looks like?
• 49:26
  Warren: No.
• 49:26
  Warren: You could make your own version of it.
• 49:30
  Warren: Let me just get it up.
• 49:31
  Warren: Uh, if I have one, I know I got it.
• 49:34
  Warren: It's a nice colour, isn't it?
• 49:35
  Warren: Blue, yeah.
• 49:37
  Warren: It is.
• 49:39
  Warren: Give me a sexy colour bag.
• 49:41
  Warren: Look at that.
• 49:43
  Warren: I know I've got a version of my logo somewhere on my phone.
• 49:50
  Jimsky: You can get me to do your logo as well, or just just waffle and sense.
• 49:54
  Warren: You can do waffle and sense.
• 49:55
  Warren: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:55
  Warren: Waffle you drop you do a waffle and sense there.
• 49:58
  Warren: Yeah.
• 50:00
  Warren: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:36
  Warren: Hold on, I'm just gonna adjust the microphone.
• 50:48
  Jimsky: We could uh, we could uh jungle this must it pow how's that?
• 50:55
  Warren: That's cool, that's cool as hell, yeah.
• 50:57
  Warren: Yeah, one for the books, yeah.
• 51:02
  Warren: Got a love of flair, ain't you?
• 51:07
  Warren: Nice, nice, nice, nice.
• 51:11
  Warren: We could move.
• 51:12
  Warren: That's cool, that's cool.
• 51:14
  Warren: Waffle and sense, yeah, yeah.
• 51:18
  Warren: I like it, I like it.
• 51:19
  Warren: Thank you very much, thank you very much.
• 51:21
  Warren: First piece, no, second piece of artwork we've had on the show there.
• 51:28
  Warren: Thank you, thank you.
• 51:29
  Warren: Uh right, well, we're gonna hit the 52 minute mark right now, but oh you know what?
• 51:35
  Warren: I think I think we can call it uh call it a day.
• 51:38
  Warren: I think so, bro.
• 51:39
  Warren: Yeah, man.
• 51:40
  Jimsky: Um I think we've done, yeah.
• 51:42
  Jimsky: Yeah, we've told a story, yeah.
• 51:43
  Jimsky: We've told a little stories and uh little stories, yeah.
• 51:47
  Warren: And um thank you, Roy.
• 51:48
  Warren: No, thank you for letting me do this.
• 51:51
  Warren: Yeah, mum.
• 51:52
  Warren: Um, if you wanna what's next for Jimmy?
• 51:56
  Warren: Oh, uh Ketchup and Football Club.
• 52:00
  Jimsky: Ketchup Football Club, yeah.
• 52:01
  Jimsky: So oh my god, they've given me so many big walls and oh uh containers, everything.
• 52:08
  Jimsky: I'm like, I've got time to do all this.
• 52:10
  Jimsky: Yeah, job as well.
• 52:11
  Warren: So uh where's Kitchen Football Club isn't in Kitchen though?
• 52:15
  Jimsky: So uh so we painted the uh Britannia Road, um which was basically, and we did a really good job, and that's why they've asked us back.
• 52:26
  Jimsky: So, but they've actually their ground is actually at um sort of Barn Seagrave, Balama, but that's where their ground is now, where they actually play football.
• 52:39
  Jimsky: Um, but they've asked us to price up all of the new stuff, but we actually did the um the one on Britannia Road, but what we did is we did it like old school, we did the original Rockenham Road in there, so we did like the signpost because that's where the old football ground used to be before they tore it all down, and I actually used to go in there, the guy that I was speaking with, um George from like the Poppies or whatever, I said, Do you know?
• 53:11
  Jimsky: I'm doing buddy, I used to go in there and I'd paint away just before they knocked the whole ground down.
• 53:18
  Jimsky: I still got it all on video, but I did like 10 pieces in there before it all got dropped down.
• 53:24
  Jimsky: Um when you think it was like a prolific ground, you know.
• 53:28
  Jimsky: Um Jimmy Greaves played there, Paul Gaskot.
• 53:32
  Jimsky: Do you know what I mean?
• 53:33
  Jimsky: There was a lot of so it had like the history.
• 53:36
  Jimsky: So we did this this new piece, the poppies, but we did it over um the wall we did it over had like some frogs on, just like little dubs.
• 53:48
  Jimsky: So we we completely transformed the whole of the wall.
• 53:52
  Jimsky: But we did like the Rock and Road, football players, poppies everywhere, big poppy sign.
• 53:58
  Jimsky: So they loved it.
• 54:00
  Jimsky: Ah, cool, man.
• 54:01
  Warren: There we go.
• 54:01
  Warren: Very bright, nice, nice.
• 54:04
  Warren: Well, thank you, Jimmy.
• 54:06
  Warren: We could bless us, brother.
• 54:07
  Warren: Bless up, brother.
• 54:08
  Warren: Yeah, man.
• 54:08
  Warren: And um, yeah, thank you for tuning into Waffle and Sensei.