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Episode 132: The Star Wars Holiday Special - Do We Love It? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Oh my, it's most things. Kenobi, where we always have the
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  high ground. Hi everyone.
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  Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast
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  about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host Leanne.
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  And I have nothing nice to say today.
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  I do. Happy Life Day.
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  Yay. Oh.
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  God, if you haven't seen the title of the episode yet, this
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  is all about the Holidays special.
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  The Star Wars Holiday Special. And it is special.
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  Carrie Fisher said it best. She used to turn it on during
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  holiday parties to make people go home.
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  I would have left immediately if she turned it on.
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  I can't believe I sat through. This.
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  Thing I want my hour and a half of my life back.
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  Please, my God. There's some, there's some
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  moments that I was like, oh, OK. Also, just really quickly before
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  we get into this too much, I just apologize.
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  Again, my audio is probably gonna be pretty lousy.
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  I'm traveling. I'm in a weird vaulted room.
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  My voice is just echoing off everything and there's other
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  people in the house, so I apologize for weird sounds in
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  this audio. I want to preface everything by
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  saying we know there are people out there who enjoy this.
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  Yeah, I don't know how you enjoy it.
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  I really don't. But I appreciate that you do.
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  I did some research. I did too.
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  I went to Reddit. Oh really?
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  Yes, and people enjoy this movie because most of the positive
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  reviews and the positive comments, at least on Reddit
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  that I saw, were they were a kid when it was on TV, like when it
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  played and they loved it. And now it's kind of like
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  nostalgic for them. They understand how ridiculous
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  and silly and over the top a lot of it is, but they like it
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  because it reminds them of their childhood.
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  So I'm never going to knock that because I have plenty of that,
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  you know? But we're not watching it while
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  we're kids. We're watching it as adults, you
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  and I. So God.
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  I've only ever seen clips up until we we forced ourselves to
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  watch the entire thing. Yes, same.
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  And I actually did watch the animated short that's in the
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  middle. Separately I I've.
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  I think. It's posted by itself.
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  It was at least on Disney Plus, so I did watch that years ago
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  without realizing it was part of the holiday special.
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  So that's. I've seen that.
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  I've seen pictures for sure. Oh yeah, the memes alone.
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  I don't even know where to start, like there's just so much
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  I don't understand. First of all, spoiler alert for
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  anyone who's not seeing it, Okay there out.
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  Of the line Okay. Why is B Arthur in it?
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  That's the only part I liked. Oh.
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  My God. That was the only part.
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  I was like, OK, I can sit through an entire 3 minutes of
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  be Arthur singing because it's be fucking Arthur it.
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  Was so long, though, It went on way too long.
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  Oh my God. It a lot of this went on too
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  long, but yeah, I want to ask you, did you know Chewie had a
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  wife and child? Only because I knew the general
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  premise of this holiday special. I thought that was his little
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  brother this whole time. Like my entire life when I've
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  made fun of that little baby Chewy, I thought it was like,
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  like kid brother. Oh.
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  Man, So when they said like, it's Chewy's son, we're going to
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  get you home to your wife and son.
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  I was like, pardon me, that makes him and Hans adventures so
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  much more absurd because he spends all of his time with Han
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  and none of his time with this supposed wife and child.
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  I know, I just kept thinking like he comes home one day a
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  year. What an asshole.
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  What? Come on, Chewie.
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  Anyway, I I was under false pretenses thinking this whole
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  time that that little weirdo, that little weird dude was his
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  kid brother. Oh man, there's just so much
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  weirdness about it because like, the little boy is played by
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  Patti Maloney, so the boy is played by a girl, and Mala the
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  wife is played by Nikki Morton, who's a man from Chicago.
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  Sure so. And I I was like, the minute I
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  saw Mala start walking, I was like, that's that's got to be a
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  guy like the. I don't know.
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  I maybe that sounds sexist of me, but like the body language
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  to me was very similar to Chewie's.
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  I was like, did Peter Mayhew play both?
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  Both parts. But yes, he didn't.
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  I have to say, they have a lovely, an absolutely lovely mid
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  century modern house on Kashik, Kashik.
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  Kashik. I don't think it is Kashik.
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  Isn't it somewhere else? It's some other planet because.
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  Is it really? But I thought they all lived in
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  trees on that planet, On that planet.
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  But it was. It was before.
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  I think George Lucas had had come up with that and George
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  Lucas didn't write this, so I don't think Kashik was even
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  mentioned. It was some other planet that
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  they put a blockade on and that's why they were all worried
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  that Han and Chewie wouldn't get through.
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  But. That doesn't make any sense at
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  all. None of this makes any sense.
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  But they do have a lovely, lovely home, you know.
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  Yeah, I guess. I mean the.
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  Furniture was very 1970s. Except for that weird porno
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  chair that the grandfather. We need to fuck it, OK?
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  Was that the grandfather or father with the underbite?
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  Oh, it's the it's Chuy's father, Yeah.
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  OK. Itchy.
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  Yeah. What in what the fuck was that
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  head thing with the woman? What does she say?
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  She says I I wrote it down. It says I am your experience.
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  So experience me. I'm sorry, What?
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  What? She looked fabulous.
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  The actress playing whatever this experience was, looked
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  fabulous. In fact, she reminded me very
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  much of Gaia, who was the female singer and star of the show, if
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  you ask me, of the galactic star cruiser experience she sang
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  during dinner. She was a she was a twilac.
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  In fact, my best friend Derek, his husband Corey is like
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  besties with Gaia now in real life, which is hilarious.
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  They see each other at the parks.
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  She came running over to him. It was this whole thing.
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  Anyway, this woman reminded me of Gaia in the way of her
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  showmanship with the the dress and the hair and the voice and
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  all that. But the porno feel of it was
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  very seedy, right? And he.
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  Kept like hitting the rewind button and over and getting all
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  like. Stimulated I.
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  Was horrified. I couldn't believe what I was
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  seeing. It really looked like the thing
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  that people who get like perms or their hair done sit under the
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  hairdressing chair from like the 90s.
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  You know that the whole thing was fucking weird.
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  It was. It was bizarre and it was creepy
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  that that was in there for something that was really geared
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  towards kids. I thought, yeah, she was
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  absolutely stunned. I think is it Diane Carroll or
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  Deanne Carroll? Not sure, but I I thought she
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  looked fabulous. The actually gorgeous.
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  And a beautiful voice. True.
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  Absolutely beautiful voice, yes. What the hell.
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  It was so weird. And the whole thing with like,
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  Chuy's wife, I guess. What was her name?
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  Marla. Mala.
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  Mala. Whatever.
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  She watched like the galactic version of Julia Child.
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  Yes. What was your thought on that?
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  I couldn't Fast forward through that shit faster.
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  But she did a whole stir, stir, stir, stir, whipster, whip,
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  whip, stir. I wrote it down, Sir, Sir, Sir.
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  Come on now, Sir, Sir, Sir. Stir, whip, stir, whip.
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  Again, though, it like it went on for so long.
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  Way too long. It goes on so long it loses the
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  joke. It just becomes, like, painful
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  after a while. Yeah, I liked her wig.
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  Was that a man or a woman? As a man.
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  OK, that's what I thought. Not that any of it matters, but
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  it left me wondering like what am I actually what?
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  What am I looking at? Like, so he was.
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  I think that was the one who is Harvey Korman.
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  That actor played like multiple people, 'cause he's from The
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  Carol Burnett Show. Oh, well, that OK, That kind of
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  ties in, 'cause that was the that was from the time.
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  Yeah, Harvey Korman was had been on the Carol Burnett Burnett
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  Show and he did multiple characters, so he was that one.
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  He was the I I didn't even watch it.
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  I really had to Fast forward the part where Lumpy was putting
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  together the. I don't even know what that was
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  the switchboard I was watching some how to video which it was
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  like. That was really bad.
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  This whole thing, I know they wanted it to have a variety show
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  feel. But it was bad.
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  It was. It was just like like when
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  someone forces you to watch a YouTube video you don't want to
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  watch. And we had to watch the whole
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  YouTube video on how to put together this thing.
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  It was fucking awful. Like, yeah, it's.
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  Unwatchable. The point in the like odds and
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  ends shop, the guy that's in there, the shop owner and like
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  the Empire walks in and that whole thing.
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  I was like, where is this even going?
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  Because like, it went on too long.
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  He's trying to sell stuff. The Empire's being a stick up
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  the ass as they usually are. I mean, they kept, they kept
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  that good. But like at one point the Empire
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  declares martial law. Yes.
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  That's over the top, even for the fucking empire.
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  Yeah. And then B Arthur sang a song
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  about it. So.
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  I know. God.
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  God bless Bea Arthur. You know what's really weird
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  about that? That shop owner?
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  It's Art Carney. And he was in The Honeymooners.
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  Like, the cast is just the most bizarre combination of people
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  ever. Bea, Arthur, Harvey Korman, Art
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  Carney. Like, what the fuck?
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  I felt like I would dropped acid and fell off the planet.
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  Maybe that's the maybe. That was the point, and we
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  missed it because we weren't born yet.
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  I've honestly seen Grateful Dead concerts that made more sense
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  than this stupid show. But it was sorry, You know what
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  was so awkward for me? So, so like, they they go to the
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  main characters. The main characters make cameos
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  in the own their own fucking story.
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  And like, we all know how terrible Mark Hamill looks in
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  this, right? Oh yeah.
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  With the eyeliner, the hair he. Had to, though he was still in
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  reconstructive surgery at the time.
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  I know, but him? OK?
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  Luke Skywalker saying. So what's up?
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  Really weird. It weirded me out.
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  I don't want my hero from the Galaxy saying what's up?
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  Oh man, it was too pedestrian for me.
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  I couldn't take What's up. Hey, Vader, what's up?
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  He basically told her to smile more too.
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  Did you catch that? Like, I can't.
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  This is awful. The whole thing, Luke.
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  No, painful. R2 was fine.
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  R2 was still doing R2 things and that's great.
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  Yeah. Oh man, Harrison Ford looked
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  like he was in physical pain the entire.
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  He did look good though. I mean, he's Harrison Ford is at
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  the top of his looks at this point in the game and he looked
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  really good and actually I really enjoyed him and Chewy
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  because like Han and Chewy are just adorable together and they
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  hug and he's like happy life day, pal.
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  Yeah, the hug was pretty adorable.
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  That was cute. I I really I melted a little bit
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  at that. Yeah, it was very sincere, and
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  I'm sure it's because they were clinging to their own personal
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  friendship to get through this nightmare that they were this
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  living that they were trapped in.
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  Leah looked fabulous. She did.
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  Carrie Fisher looked absolutely stunning in this.
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  Did you notice her one bun is larger than the other.
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  It was lopsided. It was great.
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  I. Did I did?
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  Yeah, one one was, one was a little bit bigger than the
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  other. And I'm sure, she said.
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  Leave it. Fucking leave it.
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  OK, one other thing. What the fuck was Jefferson
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  Starship? Do.
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  Do. I would say all of the quote
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  interludes with the dancers, and I fast forwarded through all of
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  it. I mean too.
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  It's too much. It was so fucking weird.
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  I guess it was kind of like Cirque du Soleil maybe?
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  Barely. Barely.
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  The minute there was a man with tail feathers dancing in my heel
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  boots, I was just like, I I am too tired to watch this right
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  now. I watched it really late at
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  night and I was like, I don't have the patience right now.
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  I had to Fast forward through basically all of it.
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  I I would stop to check in to see where the story was.
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  The the amount of Wookie screaming at each other is to
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  the point where I'm just like, I don't want to watch this.
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  This isn't helping me. This isn't helping the story.
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  I don't know what they're saying.
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  It's not enough inflection for me to know what they're saying.
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  Like, at one point, doesn't Mala like TuneIn?
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  And does she talk to either the shop owner or it's Leia or
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  somebody and they say hello and she's like and it's like, I knew
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  that was a hello, but I could discern nothing else.
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  It was terrible, so much of it. Yeah, there was no story.
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  There's no fucking story. And I heard, I was watching some
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  research videos on YouTube afterwards, just kind of like
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  Orient myself with this and like figure out what the hell was
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  going on. Why did they even bother?
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  And one of the writers, I don't know which one, I think it was
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  Rod Warren. I think he was the main writer.
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  He was saying that now you can't play with Star Wars.
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  You know, now you have to follow all the rules.
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  And there's really specific rules and you don't have the
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  freedom to play around like you used to when he wrote the
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  script. I'm like, man, this isn't
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  playing around like this is just straight up bad.
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  Like bad is bad. Whether or not you feel like
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  you're being constricted or not, like this is just straight
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  terrible. It it has no fucking plot.
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  All the interludes are bizarre beyond description, like, and
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  not even in a way that you can laugh, you know, 'cause there's
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  plenty of stuff from the 70s. This fucking like a labyrinth is
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  another great example. It's fucking weird, but you can
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  forgive it because there's something more to it.
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  Plus totally. Yeah, well, bizarre in and of
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  itself, but we tolerate it because, yes.
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  Exactly. But this?
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  It was like, I never want to see this again.
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  It wasn't even funny. It was just straight painful.
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  Honestly, I will. Tell you what, I tried to get
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  from it through the life day stuff.
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  I kind of like that There's a tree of life.
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  They honor it. They honor family.
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  Like that's all good. Like that I can get down with,
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  right? And in fact, did you happen to
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  look up anything about Life Day? No, I didn't.
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  In order to get something from this, I looked up information on
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  Life Day and I have some stuff from Wikipedia.
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  In Case No one else is aware, this is what it says.
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  I'm going to have to read it because it's a lot because the
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  wills are involved. Who knew, really?
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  Yeah, interesting. So long after the Galactic Civil
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  War and the Rebellion one over the Empire, a Will was tasked by
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  his fellow Wills with recording galactic history for the journal
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  The Journal of the Wills. This one Will grew dissatisfied
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  with how it was being written and stated that they would
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  instead write in a personal journal about how Chewy and his
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  family celebrated Life Day. OK, the Dissatisfied Will thus
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  compiled some notes on the matter, and when the Will
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  writing the journal began recording the events following
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  the Battle of Yavin, he offered to share the notes on how the
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  rebel heroes helped Chewbacca return to Kashyyyyyyyk to see
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  his son Lumpy for Life Day. So it was later dubbed Kashik,
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  even though it wasn't at the time of.
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  Recording. So during the First Order
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  Resistance War, Chewy took Ray back to Kashik to celebrate Life
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  Day with his son. Chewy also celebrated the
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  holiday while on the planet of Batu.
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  OK, so that was is that in like a comic book or something?
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  It just in, I don't know, just Wikipedia.
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  Just that a Will was tasked with writing stuff on the Galactic
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  War and he's like, fuck it. I'm going to write about Chewie
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  and and his family and this was like part of what he wrote about
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  what the fuck. Leia's words really resonated
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  with me. I also wrote them down because
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  it was probably the only good thing in all of this.
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  So after at the end, when they're all with Chewie, they
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  all show up and they all hug. And she says to like the people,
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  the the Wookies. No matter how different we
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  appear, we're all the same in our struggle against the powers
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  of evil and darkness. Great.
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  But you you took 3000 miles to get there and and none of it was
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  good. I know it like the best part
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  like you said was once they started celebrating that was
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  more interesting and. 'Cause there was like a the orb,
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  they go to the tree together. It's kind of very nice.
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  It's a nice tribal thing that I could see a race doing in the in
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  the Galaxy. Yeah, I really enjoyed.
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  Well, I guess I really enjoyed it, 'cause everything was so bad
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  before. That part seemed even better.
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  And I loved, as weird as it was, like listening to Carrie Fisher
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  sing. And the message was really nice,
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  but it was the only thing of substance in the whole hour and
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  40 minutes or whatever it was so.
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  Yeah, if they cut down all of the nonsense it probably would
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  have been a 25 minute movie and I'd have been all right with it.
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  Yeah, And then and then the fucking.
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  First the 1st order help help me and then the Empire shows up at
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  the house and like raids the house and they tear apart the
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  bantha toy. And I was so mad.
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  Oh, I fast forwarded through that.
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  I wondered why the Bantha's head was not attached.
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  They tore apart the fucking Panther toy.
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  I was so mad they took the head right off of it.
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  Oh, that's sad. It's really.
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  Sad. I know.
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  And Limpy like put it in his bed and covered it with cover like
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  the little blanket. Yeah, I saw that and he, like,
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  kissed it. Put the blanket on.
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  Yeah. Also, just like there's so many,
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  there's so many elements of like the time in there.
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  One of the cringey moments, one of the many was when Art Carneys
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  character who I can't remember the shock keeper guy.
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  Yeah, she brings. He brings gifts, you know, to
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  everybody. One of them is porn for the Yup,
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  grandfather. You gotta give the old man
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  something. There's a box of trash for the
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  kid, the porn for the grandpa, and then the mom gets Jefferson
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  Starship. In a box, yes.
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  But he won't give it to her until she gives him a kiss.
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  I was like EW. Fucking weird.
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  Fucking weird, dude. It's weird.
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  You know what I noticed? They have all this high tech
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  shit. We're in a Galaxy far, far away,
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  and one of the Empire people pull out a walkie-talkie.
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  What's the antenna with the? Pick with the antenna.
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  Yep, Yep, I said what in? Sam, somebody made a mistake.
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  Please at least make it look like a handheld device.
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  But like, don't pull the antenna out it.
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  Was so long. It was so long.
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  Antenna. Oh God, it's so bad.
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  And the extreme close-ups of like lumpy especially, yes.
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  But like why it's. Really painful.
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  I did like how haunt. Like Lumpy jumped into his arms
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  and he held him like a baby on his hip.
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  I was like, why the fuck is this guy's name Lumpy?
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  There's a whole name Lump, Awaru.
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  Honestly, it was like lumpy, chewy, and itchy.
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  Like what other weird body behaviors can we pick?
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  Cellulite. Oh man, I just love how he has
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  an underbite. The grandpa or the dad or the
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  uncle, The the that man in the house it.
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  Was hard to look at, honestly. It was kind of like a dislocated
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  jaw. Surprised they didn't have like
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  drool coming out for extra effect.
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  Is that terrible? I feel bad.
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  Well, I guess we do need to know that George Lucas equally hates
• 22:50
  this thing. Well, thanks, George.
• 22:55
  Yeah, I guess he and the producer gave approval to, I
• 22:59
  think it was CBS to do this. And he asked all the original
• 23:04
  cast to do it, like George Lucas is the one.
• 23:06
  Mark Hamill said that at least, I don't know.
• 23:08
  He said that George asked him specifically and he said I don't
• 23:11
  want to do this. I don't think it's a good idea.
• 23:14
  And then George was like, would you do it as a favor to me for
• 23:16
  licensing? Because they want to do
• 23:18
  merchandising. And so they're trying to keep
• 23:20
  Star Wars in front of people's, you know, front of mind.
• 23:24
  Because there was, I don't know, a couple a year, a year or two
• 23:27
  in between when Star Wars was released and when Empire came
• 23:32
  out. So he wanted to be able to do
• 23:34
  merchandise sales because that was the only way George Lucas
• 23:37
  made money. Because the studio owned the
• 23:39
  rights to the original Star Wars.
• 23:42
  Oh God, it was just so bad. But even he hated it.
• 23:46
  He said somewhere. I think it was at like a
• 23:48
  celebration. He said if he had the time, you
• 23:52
  would track down every copy and smash it with a sledgehammer.
• 23:58
  George, if you want help, give me a call.
• 24:03
  I could find. And it's too late now.
• 24:05
  It's free on YouTube now, so. True.
• 24:09
  Speaking of merchandise, they have a ton of merchandise on
• 24:14
  Disney right now selling. Stuff special.
• 24:17
  Yeah, 2023 must have life day merge and it's all very 1960s,
• 24:24
  nineteen 70s, mid century modern.
• 24:26
  They've got that like pop culture font you know, that they
• 24:30
  would use for this time and age. You can get one of the red robes
• 24:36
  that the wookies wore. There are pins for the
• 24:40
  collectors out there. They've got pop up books.
• 24:44
  They've got pop up ornaments. They have a life day cookbook,
• 24:49
  The Official Recipe from A Official Holiday Recipes from a
• 24:53
  Galaxy Far, Far Away. I mean, she was making bantha
• 24:57
  loin or something like that. I don't want to.
• 24:59
  Eat yeah yeah. There is also Life day food
• 25:02
  available at Galaxy's Edge during the holidays, which
• 25:07
  involve the blue Orbs, which are made of cheese.
• 25:10
  Life Day Cheese Branch Like a branch of a tree.
• 25:17
  There's also drinks available. It's just a lot of.
• 25:21
  They're trying to lean in a lot of.
• 25:22
  Stuff. Yeah, they're leaning in on
• 25:24
  something that nobody wants to lean in on.
• 25:29
  You know, just because you throw money behind it, it's not going
• 25:33
  to make it good, Disney. No.
• 25:36
  In fact, you can get yourself a light up orb, which looks like
• 25:39
  the only thing I would enjoy, but it looks just like the moon
• 25:43
  display. Like that you you purchased me
• 25:45
  as a gift one time. It looks exactly the same, it's
• 25:48
  just not blue. Honestly though, I don't think I
• 25:51
  would want anything in my house to remind me of this movie.
• 25:54
  No, no, that's the thing that. So I'm trying to see it from
• 25:59
  like maybe someone who grew up and watched it and it was like
• 26:03
  wow, this is really cool. I get to see my favorites on TV,
• 26:06
  but I it's a stretch. So if there's anyone out there
• 26:10
  that actually feels this way, let us know, because we want to
• 26:14
  see what you see. Please help us see what you see.
• 26:21
  Yeah, I mean, I'm you're being way kinder than I am.
• 26:25
  I'm sorry. Yeah.
• 26:26
  I don't mean to like shit on people's things that.
• 26:28
  They no, it's a terrible movie. It's terrible.
• 26:30
  It's terrible and it's terrible, but.
• 26:32
  Yeah, I mean, I can make excuses for a lot of stuff.
• 26:35
  I mean, I watched Mandalorian and I don't really like it.
• 26:39
  This was this to me was it was excruciating.
• 26:44
  I texted you, I think, in the middle of it, and I was just
• 26:46
  like, what the fuck? It's worse than I thought.
• 26:48
  Like, I knew it was going to be cheesy, but it was actually much
• 26:52
  worse than I thought. The thing is, I can do cheesy.
• 26:55
  I do cheesy all the time and I I can get into it.
• 26:57
  I can get into campy. I can get into, like over the
• 27:01
  top. As long as you know to not
• 27:04
  expect anything less or more, you're good.
• 27:07
  But like I expected more, I got way less.
• 27:14
  No, I expected less and I got way less than less.
• 27:17
  That's what I meant to say. I think all the actors are
• 27:22
  pretty embarrassed by it. I've seen compilation videos of
• 27:26
  them on talk shows and they're all just like, oh God, I can't,
• 27:28
  I can't talk about it. I don't think we're allowed to
• 27:30
  talk about it. I think we're supposed to deny
• 27:32
  that it exists anywhere. I think George Lucas gave the
• 27:37
  OK, but then had no more. He was busy filming Empire
• 27:42
  Strikes Back, so he had no more involvement and so when it went
• 27:45
  out, he must not have approved it.
• 27:48
  I don't know why you wouldn't ask to see it before it goes
• 27:51
  out, but it was far worse than he thought too, and I think he
• 27:55
  was pretty upset by the whole thing.
• 27:58
  But I'm sure it works to sell some merchandise for him.
• 28:03
  Honestly, I'm amazed. I'm amazed that it didn't
• 28:06
  tarnish Star Wars in general, that people still went and saw
• 28:09
  Empire Strikes Back and loves it.
• 28:12
  It's. Wild I I would like to know the
• 28:15
  societal thought process at the time.
• 28:18
  Why didn't it knock it down? If you saw it when it came out,
• 28:23
  send us messages. Tell us what your experience is
• 28:26
  like. It's like we said at the
• 28:27
  beginning, we're new to this. Obviously we're coming at it
• 28:31
  with. A.
• 28:31
  Shit Ton of material for Star Wars that exists now.
• 28:35
  When it came out, only Star Wars, that was it.
• 28:40
  And this even kind of launched the Extended Universe.
• 28:45
  There were. There were.
• 28:46
  Ewok movies, there were like lots of novelizations.
• 28:50
  That was something that I did come across that was interesting
• 28:52
  that it was kind of the launching of the the Extended
• 28:57
  universe, which is now Legends. But there was a variety of
• 29:02
  quality at the time. So it was like something like
• 29:05
  Timothy Zahn's books. Bestsellers considered very like
• 29:10
  they were excellent quality and then there would be like comics
• 29:14
  and other books or movies that were just atrocious.
• 29:19
  And Disney, when they took over, they they made everything,
• 29:23
  Legends, because they wanted to quality control.
• 29:26
  What came after that, and I know that angered a lot of people,
• 29:30
  but at least now there's a little more consistency, I guess
• 29:34
  I would say, in the quality of stuff that comes out, maybe, I
• 29:39
  don't even know. It's rough.
• 29:41
  It's rough out there though. But listen, we're free to we're
• 29:45
  free to like what we like and not like what we not like, at
• 29:49
  least in this corner. Yes, Yeah, If you like this
• 29:52
  movie, good for you. I'm glad.
• 29:54
  Yeah, it's everyone's allowed to have what they want.
• 29:59
  And honestly, OK, so if you had to pick a favorite moment,
• 30:02
  please try hard. I really.
• 30:07
  Like seeing Mark Hamill? Yeah, he did.
• 30:10
  He did his damn best. I was watching his face.
• 30:15
  Yeah, I was watching his face really closely to see what he
• 30:18
  really felt. And he did a very good job
• 30:20
  knowing that he really didn't want to do it.
• 30:23
  He rose to the occasion, especially considering he had
• 30:25
  just had reconstructive facial surgery.
• 30:28
  This is true. And I did like the end with the
• 30:31
  the Tree and Leia singing I. Think that's my favorite part
• 30:36
  because it was that had the most substance.
• 30:38
  You said it and I need something and that was it.
• 30:42
  That was the little crumb. That was it.
• 30:45
  It was at the end. It was a rough go, but you know
• 30:48
  what? Happy Life Day, Lauren.
• 30:53
  Thank you, Leanne. Happy Life Day to you too.
• 31:03
  OK. Our question for our listeners.
• 31:06
  What were your first thoughts when you saw the Star Wars
• 31:09
  Holiday Special? Did you like it?
• 31:11
  Did you not like it? Did you see it when it first
• 31:14
  came out? What was that experience like or
• 31:17
  was it later? Did you experience it like we
• 31:19
  did much further down the line? Tell us all about your life day
• 31:23
  experience. Yes.
• 31:27
  Oh my God, Next week's episode. I'm excited.
• 31:34
  I probably shouldn't be, but we're going to talk about the
• 31:39
  Red Flag moments throughout Anakin's pre Vader existence.
• 31:44
  So we're going to pick out a few red flag moments apiece.
• 31:48
  Lauren's going to pick out three, I'm going to pick out
• 31:50
  three. The moments that make you go, oh
• 31:54
  your Vader is showing Anakin red flag moments.
• 31:59
  So this will be fun. So join.
• 32:02
  Us like a Leanne special? Oh God.
• 32:05
  Well, from Life Day special to Leanne special.
• 32:09
  Yay. Join us back here.
• 32:12
  We're going to talk about why Anakin is crazy.
• 32:18
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• 32:20
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