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FISM 2025 has an Online Magic Category! #204 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 204 of the Magic Guys,
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the 200th century of the podcast.
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To my left, we've got Nick Kay.
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Welcome to Magic Guys Live, Live, Live, Live.
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I love it doug con as you
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know we talked about in the last episode that we were
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on not last week the week before doug has moved
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to las vegas which is insane he's
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living the dream and he's still setting up so
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he might be tuning in at some point to the episode but we
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just wish him well and he's just we've been seeing some
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sneak peeks nick and i of of his setup and
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what he has to work with now with this new magic store he's collaborating with
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and bloody hell he's got all the toys so it's it's pretty exciting and nick
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great work by the way i heard such good things about the the magic discord jam
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that you guys did last week when we couldn't do an episode how was that jamming with all the.
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It was unexpectedly awesome like the
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amount of fun we it ended up going for over three hours of
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just wildness for me
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i mean i i love i love catching up with all all
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our friends who come and listen to us live hanging out with bob bob
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possible for you don't know he's just one of the greatest minds to bounce off
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i love chatting to him i love being able to call him a friend along with everyone
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else that was there we actually worked on like full routines with some people
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the funniest thing was that like every time it was about time to wrap up somebody
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else would would show up and like oh i just saw you guys were here i thought
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i'd pop in and then And a whole conversation would start. And then a whole conversation would start.
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We did a lot of stuff with tarot cards just because we were jamming.
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And that's what happened.
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It was really awesome. And they said, we got to do this frequently or often.
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And I'm like, I got to figure out a way to make that happen.
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So I don't know if we team up with what we do on Doug's channel where after
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the pod, we have a session there or something.
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But it was totally freestyled and totally fun. Thank you all who came to participate. It was really fun.
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Wow. Who would have thought that magicians love jamming and learning magic?
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Yeah, holy moly. Well, yeah, I mean, it's been a great week.
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As you know, we didn't do the episode last week because I was...
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Nervously preparing for Teller to join us at the Theatre of Magic.
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And so I was like, I should probably use that day just to, you know,
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polish off the things that I'm going to try and tweak and tailor for the show.
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But we'll get to that later.
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We saw a video come out. I think the whole Magic World saw the video come out.
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And it was by Chris Ramsey. And the title I thought was going to be clickbait,
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you know. Did you think that too, Nick?
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You're like, oh, it is. I have thought it. But he hasn't posted anything magic orientated in so long.
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Like I don't dig his whole puzzle game thing going on that he has.
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You know, I've sort of shied away from his content as a result.
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And then when I saw that it was something finally to do with magic,
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I was intrigued. And I watched the video and what unfolded could very much change
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a lot of things for a lot of creative magicians.
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Fizzin is what we're talking about, my friends. Now, we all know FISM as the Magic Olympics,
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and it was interesting to hear his stats about how the attendance each time
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now it's being ran every three years is slowly declining.
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And it's fascinating because... Just for reference to fully educate you guys
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on this, for those of you who haven't watched the video, we'll set up a couple of key points into it.
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What basically he identified as things are
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going on is the attendance at fism typically known as
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the i guess the olympics of magic the
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attendance is going down and atop
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of that the age of the
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attendees is going up kind of
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showing that there's a generational gap and the
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younger folks don't have the ability
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or just aren't coming to things like this and i
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think if we were to discuss this man we sort of got to be real about
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it and just take a moment and say how easy is
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it for it for young people to afford to do anything is
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the first thing if you and i were going to go to turin in italy to be part of
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fism what would we have to budget out of australian dollars for our audience
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it would be flights and a com plus plus to actually pay for fism you'd want to have 10 grand on you.
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To ensure you could have a good time and not stress about money or getting a
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meal or buying Juan Tamariza beer or something of that nature.
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Like, what opportunities do young people have to do that? Not much. No.
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And also there's something to be said about the young generation of magic,
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even thinking of putting together a magic act to perform on stage that,
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you know, these days, this is something I asked Teller as well.
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I was like, do you think this next generation can have a top magician that we
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all look up to like Penn and Teller, like David Copperfield,
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like Dynamo, because everyone's attention is so spread out.
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And it seems to be, if you're good at social media, then you're good at getting
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the attention, but that doesn't necessarily marry up with you being a super skilled magician.
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It just means you've found a way to entertain people, but maybe it's not with
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like, you know, the best magic in the world.
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So if people are watching this new variation of magic online,
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and they're probably learning a lot of close-up magic, I'm noticing,
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where is the motivation for them to see someone like a FISM act and go, oh, I want to do that too?
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That's a really good point. And I think that the motivation for the online component
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now that we're bringing up, for those of you that don't know,
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FISM has multiple categories in which you can perform in.
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There is the close up, there's micro magic, there's all facets of them,
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probably too many to mention right here and not enough that I would know the top of my head in truth.
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But one of the most interesting ones now is that there is going to be an online category.
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With some potential to expand upon that even more. Now, here's what we do know
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about the online category.
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And I'm reading this directly from the FISM Italy 2025.com website.
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So let's just get our heads around this so we can understand what's going on.
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So firstly, it's the participation requirements.
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So participants must submit a video, preferably in a vertical format,
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The duration of one minute, 30 seconds.
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The video can be filmed either in public or private setting.
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No digital post-production editing. Every other trick is allowed.
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So I think that's pretty fair. So what I'm taking away from that line is that
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you could do like a forced perspective. You can do like a blackout type thing.
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You could do camera tricks in a sense, but I don't imagine you can do digital blue,
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black background green screen none of
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that type of stuff masking no masking effects the
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way in chris's video and you should go and
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watch that video too he he's yeah he says no camera tricks and no like cgi editing
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basically basically it has to be something you could sit an iphone in front
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of you and just do and post like you can make it more cinematic than that but
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that's essentially it has to be a raw kind of.
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It says here that teasers or promotional videos are not accepted.
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Participants might be asked to submit a separate explanation video detailing the method used.
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This is required to verify that no video special effects have been used.
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This video is strictly for the judges and will not be available to the public.
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To submit a video, you fill an application and you pay 20 euros as the fee.
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If the video includes music, the participant must hold all necessary rights
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on social media and worldwide.
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In the case of a copyright dispute, the participant will be disqualified.
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So I guess if you're going to use music, make sure like you probably use something
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like Epidemic Sound. Is that what it's called?
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Yeah, yeah. Any copyright free licensing place. Yeah. Epidemic Sound is a great example.
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Make sure you purchase that, the subscription and have a license like we do for our stuff.
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So yeah yeah or have yeah
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maybe just get like an instrument track playing like you
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could record someone playing the violin for
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example an acapella and then you craft
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your routine around that or just don't have music that might be a
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safe bet as well but yeah
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anything like epidemic sounds or art list or any you know
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copyright free yeah so it's exciting because now everyone this might be the
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first time that like anyone can enter their routine at fizzing like fizzing
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is usually a pretty you know secretive club in a sense like i wouldn't like
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if i came up with a routine,
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i personally wouldn't know where the hell to put it or show it for it to be
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considered you know because but in this sense like everyone can enter for a
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fee yeah well it's probably just a minor fee to get experts to review it.
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So for example, it says here that with the pre-selection details that submitted
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videos will be periodically published on the official platform. So I guess that we'll see.
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These fism acts prior to the actual which
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i find very interesting non-compliant videos may be
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blocked which is due to the discretion of the judging panel
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the video that receives the most likes on social
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media will earn a wild card and automatically qualify
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as a finalist that's interesting because
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i guess that yeah and i
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guess there's something fair about that because you know it's the
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i don't know like how do you feel about that like it just means if you're like
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if you're super popular you have like 3 million followers as a magician that
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you just go please like this so i can get a wild card hopefully
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it's good but i guess the judges this is why we have judges i
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suppose as well hey yeah i can see two things
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happening with that one is that will help
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drum up more attention to fism because if it's someone
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that just happens to have 10 million
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followers so therefore they get the most likes like what
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they're doing is showing fism to
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10 million people like that's the benefit of that happening and
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then like you said that that just means they get
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through to the judges and then the judges are still going to just
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pick the best one anyway um so so
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who do you think off the top of your head would be
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a contender for what is essentially online
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magician of the year is what the award would be wow
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there's a few like what are some names that come to mind and
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in the chat as well like people that come to mind is jackie.
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You like i saw him put out a video yeah about about
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this now i think he might be a judge no if.
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He's a judge that makes sense as well they did put up in the increases video.
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I'll see if i can just find the the visual of it but there was a line of judges
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i know dynamo's in there i know tom elderfield is in there and And obviously, Chris Ramsey as well.
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I can't remember. If Jackie's in there, then that makes perfect sense.
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But the first person that comes to mind is somebody like Xavier Mortimer,
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because he does pretty gnarly effects in that 90-second gap.
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I also personally really enjoy like Chris Holcomb stuff.
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Oh, sorry to cut you off there, Nick. Okay, I found the list and you are right.
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Jackie Yu is a judge. So here are the judges.
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Chris Ramsey, Xavier Mortimer, you called him. Oh, there you go.
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E. Katerina, controversial.
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Tom Elderfield, Patrick Kuhn, Jackie Yu, and Dynamo.
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And by the way the reason why i say ekaterina is
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controversial is not because she's a female judge or any of that
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nonsense people might think it's because for a
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lot of people that that know ekaterina has become very
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very popular on social media but
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a lot of the content she's been
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posting has been revealing magic tricks like
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she essentially has an e-learn social media
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and she puts up these one-minute clips of here's a thing you can learn
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and a lot of it was revealing magic
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which is interesting that that should be a part of
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fism anyway anyway i
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mean that the same could be said with chris ramsey so who knows it's all at
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the end of the day it's still good for magic this whole setup okay well with
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regards to the videos that the top 20 videos including the wildcard winner will
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be selected by mid-April for the FISM WCM 2025 Online Magic,
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okay, which is a demonstration category, which is what they do when a category is new.
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It's called a demonstration category, okay? As far as the timeline goes.
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The video submissions are open right now as of February 1st. It is happening.
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On April 1st is when the deadline is for your video submissions,
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And then by mid-April, there'll be a selection of 20 finalists.
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And the good thing is, this could be a video you have already made in the past.
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Like, as long as you're not promoting yourself or you've got your website in
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the video or whatever, I believe from what I saw, like, it doesn't have to be
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like you saying, this is my FISM 2025, blah, blah, blah.
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Like, if you've made an awesome piece of artwork in video form that fits the
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requirements, it could be submitted.
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And the reason I say that is because, holy crap, there's only two months until
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they start considering these videos that that people are entering.
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So in the chat, we've got. OK, so the obvious, a few people are mentioning our boy, Jason.
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If Jason Ma doesn't submit a video, then what the hell is going on?
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You know, we also we also have our boy from the UK.
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Whose name is our boy, the one that we interviewed just recently?
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Nope I'm just I'm drawing a blank right now Well Rick Holcomb Almost one Britain's
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Got Talent I think he's got An amazing skill set.
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Sam Osborne. Sam Osborne as well. He should definitely submit one.
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Oh my God, I'm having the worst brain blank of my life.
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But the guys listening to this know who I'm talking about. So I'm sure they
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will. Thank you, Jack Rhodes. Jack Rhodes. Oh my word.
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If anyone can make amazing magic on video, it's Jack Rhodes.
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Scotty P says, Jess Eisenberg, his snap change. Well, he definitely did popularize
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a snap change in Now You See Me.
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But you know Doug Conn if
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Doug Conn doesn't put up a video I don't know what's going on and Nick
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maybe like is this the perfect place
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to showcase your Lego routine like is this a good reason to like finish that
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routine and like showcase that in video or possibly but I am actually absent
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for the entire month of February and by the time I get back into the country
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and into magic I'm we'll see.
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We'll see. I don't see. Yeah. So you're not, you're not worried about entering this category.
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I just don't consider myself a competition magician. I don't think that's how
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I made. I think I'm a different type of magician.
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I think the competition magicians are very unique and special and,
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I don't consider myself that. I consider myself more of the entertaining realm
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versus a competition realm.
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The competition realm is something that's very hyper-focused.
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It's kind of like building a Formula One car. It doesn't matter that there's
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no glove box or heated seats or cruise control. It's built for one thing, winning competitions.
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And I think that routines need to be structured the same way.
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I just don't create that way.
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Sure. Or you could listen to Scotty P's recommendation and expand your KFC nugget
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routine to a full KC Family Feast.
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That's an interesting production.
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That would really go well with the Bogans of Australia. Like the never-ending KFC bucket.
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So the other interesting thing that they put out is that I think Nick was mentioning,
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they're going to also test these other categories that won't officially get an award this time.
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But these other online things they're considering is awards like Best Online
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Magic Magazine, Best Magic Newsletter,
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Best Magician Communication Platform, Online Magician of the Year,
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which is the one they are doing,
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Breakout Online Magician of the Year, and Best Magic Podcaster slash Vlogger.
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Which is very funny because nick and i were just talking beforehand
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imagine if like we've spent our whole lives learning magic
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and performing and doing our craft and
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then it's this podcast that wins us a fism award that would just be so poetic
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like you know we're we're all just misfits and and running around just you know
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we just hope this helps some people but like there are other magic podcasts
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that have been around longer,
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but, you know, that would just be such a funny thing if we happen to get any
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notoriety from the podcast thing.
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That's so funny. Yeah. And we're not the self-proclaimed best one.
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We just, we just, what you guys tell us that, that you guys enjoy it. And that's why we do it.
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That's why we do it. But yeah, you know, the weirdest thing is that like the,
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the voting process now I'm trying to gauge how this all kind of works.
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Right. Because I believe that they like, when, when do they show the, the, the videos?
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Like, are they showing them beforehand? Cause I think they actually show it
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during fism is like when you can see the videos.
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Right um yeah like
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i'm trying to gauge whether it's done before because that
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means that it would be done in july if that's the case and between july
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14 and 19 is when that would go down
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and then it says here with regards to voting that during fism
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the 20 selected videos will be shown at key
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moments throughout the event and the attendees will
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have the opportunity to vote for their favorite video through an
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official app right the audience
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vote will be considered alongside judges evaluations which
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follow the official fism grading scale i did look up what the online point scoring
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system is problem is on the website it's a dead link like when you try to click
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on the button to see what the judging criteria is the link doesn't go anywhere so okay.
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Maybe with today being February 4th, that they're still sort of nutting it out.
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Just keep your eyes glued to the screen, if you will, and check out the link every now and again.
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Maybe it will rectify itself so that you can better do that.
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And then it basically goes on to explain the award ceremonies and awards,
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which is kind of redundant at this point.
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But it's exciting, right?
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It's a movement in magic that hasn't happened before in FISM.
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So it'll be exciting. it'll be a great way to capture the
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the you know next generation's attention and
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and keep that age of attendance at
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a you know a nice level not slowly getting older
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and older because no one new is coming so it's all good stuff and we'll yeah
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we'll stay tuned we'll keep you updated on the latest on that now oh did you
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have a last thought i was just wondering do you think that when as technology
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evolves like do you think there was a point where magicians were like we shouldn't
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be doing this in the movies like we shouldn't be doing this on film
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do you reckon there was ever any pushback and do you think there's some
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people like oh magic shouldn't be done online it should be done in person like you
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know there are some people those let's say purists respectfully you know to
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that to that extent where it's like magic should only be done in person it should
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be done live like yeah uh i mean yeah that's that's the age-old question isn't
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it like i wonder how much pushback happened throughout the evolving technological advances we've made.
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I wonder how many more we should be doing this on video and we shouldn't be doing this on,
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Look, if there was a, if I had Thor's glove and I could just snap my fingers
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and just erase all Thanos.
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Yeah. What did I say? Thor. He has a hammer. Holy shit. Oh, that's funny.
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Oh yeah. I really am a magic nerd. I don't even know my Marvel proper references.
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So if I had Thanos's glove and I could just snap my finger and erase all magic online, would I do it?
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The answer is probably yes.
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Because it is way it's just
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it's so beautiful in
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real life it can be entertaining online
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but it's just it hits so hard in real life so yeah
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i probably would but now that we're in this world like you know
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i don't hate it i don't hate it it does it certainly has
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helped introduce me to people and
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people love and watch and
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tune into my work that haven't seen me perform live
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yet that may end up seeing me perform live because
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they see my video so like there's good and bad
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things but you know we're in this world now well there's
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two interesting comments here that just came through one from liam gordis
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which says that i feel that happened in every industry
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when it comes to technology especially creative industries and
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i think that's a very good point in fact if you look at something like a
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horror movie i think that is where movie magic is
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at its best because they're you know using fake legs
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and fake blood and fake things and you know the the
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the whole movie magic realm is is most
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prominent in that genre but then on the other
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side of that scotty p makes an interesting comment saying that i've stopped
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doing magic on video because performing live is more rewarding for myself and
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that i can totally appreciate you know like if you were in a band and all you
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ever did was record studio albums like i was versus.
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Playing live.
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Playing live is like the greatest and like when
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you've got people there like cheering you on and clapping
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along to your songs just the same as clapping along
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to your routines and so forth and going this is the
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greatest thing ever i watch this stuff on tv and this is so much
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better those types of things are interesting
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so it is it's by it
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is what we're getting at it's bias some people prefer it for
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whatever else some people just want to create it and that's cool too right yeah
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i will say like magicians working
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with an online platform are getting very creative now
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where it really is a place where
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you can perform a different genre of magic that
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can be enjoyed that can't be enjoyed live like i
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think that's when magic online is good is when you
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can actually give someone an experience that they couldn't see
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live so that they're still separate like
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seeing magic live is amazing and it's different to this thing i
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think like brian saint did a great job at that
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for example like he showed us in
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his interview on our show he even showed
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us a routine that that only looks good on.
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Zoom and it was like when he's explaining like
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ah i've got this rubik's cube and you know if i do this
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put my hand away from the camera and come back you
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probably think there's someone to the side quickly giving me
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a solved cube and he's like but if i did it right
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in the open and just collapsed my hands and now the
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cube is gone well that's magic and
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and he explained that whole thing like that only works because of
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this framing and and this angle and you know so there's there's an adam axford
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you know another another great guy he created some wonderful routines for zoom
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like just that you couldn't do live and so i think that's where it becomes kind
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of fun when you can play with it.
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But it'll never take away from the actual real experience you get when it's
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like right in front of you in person,
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but speaking of in person...
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Well, I was going to say before you step onto this thing, man,
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like this is kind of an important thing to be talking about because it's the,
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it's the equivalent of sort of watching a movie and then seeing the,
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the, like a film adaptation.
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So like of a play. So right at the moment, like as, as it stands here on February 4th, 2025.
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Wicked is now a movie that was, you know, an adaptation of an amazing play,
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you know, and quite the other way around.
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There is now a stage adaptation of the Back to the Future movie,
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and it's now going to plays.
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So I just think that there isn't particularly one better than the other,
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but it's just different mediums. And I think that's kind of important to understand.
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You know, this shouldn't be a definitive.
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This should be like, oh, I've seen this on YouTube, but I much prefer sitting
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at the theater of magic in Brisbane, right up as a Josh Nabito,
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where I can smell him and, you know, see him do some awesome stack deck work.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I mean, some people in the comments on YouTube
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have specifically said, that's it.
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I'm going to make it a trip to visit Australia and come and see your show live.
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So that wouldn't have happened had I not put out those clips.
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But... Yeah. And some people don't get it. I once had a friend go...
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So you have the musical album on your phone. I'm like, yes. He goes, then why go see the play?
26:17
And I was just like, bro, have you been to a musical? He's like,
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no. And I'm like, then why are you opening your mouth?
26:23
You idiot. It's like saying, you listen to the band on the CD?
26:27
Yes. Then why go see them live? You've already heard them. It's just a different experience.
26:33
I dropped 400 bucks on tickets to go see The Offspring in May.
26:37
Like The Offspring. nothing any entirely amazing
26:41
but you know to me they are
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and yeah and that's so live it's a spectacle it's
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awesome so what i yeah
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and you and you're seeing the you're seeing the artist like
26:53
do the thing that you love but now you're in that atmosphere and
26:56
you're seeing it live and it's real and it's and it's raw let me
26:59
make this example fool us right and all the pen and teller stuff that we've
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seen okay great entertaining stuff really enjoyable i enjoyed that on youtube
27:10
or whatever format i watched it on then going and seeing it live last week bro the penn and teller.
27:19
Moving along let's talk about the penn and teller show yes all right dude what
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a show the the quick premise penn and teller are touring australia they were
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in melbourne first then Brisbane.
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So Nick experienced them and hung out with Teller. And then I had them in our city.
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We hosted them, saw their show,
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and now we can compare notes now that I've finally seen the show as well.
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Yeah. Where do we start? I mean, you brought it up. This is not their like Vegas show.
27:49
This is not like the classics of Penn and Teller because it's their 50th anniversary.
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Surprisingly, after performing for 50 years this is
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all like new material yeah it
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is all brand new material but for the opening routine which is that traditional
28:04
uh cutting of the giant silk which i don't recall the exact name of that routine
28:08
but it's a beautiful piece and it really celebrates teller as well which i think
28:12
is it's it's a perfect tone setter for the routines that they perform there they're in,
28:17
Dude, I saw the show. I saw the show in Vegas and right alongside Morton Christensen
28:23
and Javier Benitez and a whole bunch of other guys.
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And this show slayed that one. Like, it is phenomenal how good it is.
28:33
And the fact that it's all brand new, crazy. Crazy.
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Crazy but look as far as like you know look and here's the
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thing about the position that we're in and the friendships we've
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set up with awesome people like teller so while they
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were in melbourne we put on a little night for them where we i went and picked
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up teller from his accommodation we went to tim ellis's laneway theater which
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we've spoken about in his episode and if you look up tim ellis you'll hear all
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about that beautiful theater of his he came pen also joined us a little bit
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later in the evening, we had a lovely meal,
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prior, everyone got to hang out and have a chat and we all got Christmas cards
29:13
from him as a gift and then 13 magicians performed five minute sets,
29:17
which was really great because I got to perform a piece of magic that I actually jammed with him at a bar,
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some years before on his previous tour and it was just this one thing that I
29:27
didn't like about this particular production I was doing and I said what are your thoughts?
29:31
He goes, it's fine I go, it's not and here is why and then he was like,
29:35
I can see it But I'm going to think about it.
29:37
Anyway, as time went on, I just got on. I was the first performer that evening to set the tone.
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And I just said, this is a routine that you and I worked on,
29:45
Taylor, at that bar. And he was like, I remember that. And I'm like,
29:47
great. Well, here's how far it's come.
29:50
And he said a lot of nice things about the routine on the drive home because
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I dropped him back off. And he said it was astonishing.
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And then kindly said, you sleeve better than anyone because your technique is
30:01
just like, I know you're doing it, but I can't see it. And I was like,
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Thank you. So in between that, super lovely. Well, he did his shows.
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He made time for the magic scene.
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He would hang out after his shows, come have dinner with us almost every night.
30:19
It's so lovely. I actually sent him a lovely thank you note email to say,
30:24
every time you come and visit, it's wonderful because you inspire everyone so
30:28
much. And it binds us all together.
30:31
Like all the magicians get together in one place to see and celebrate you.
30:35
You really help solidify what we are as a community.
30:38
And I just extended a big thank you to him, to which he said some niceties back and so forth.
30:43
And I think that that is kind of nice in itself. And it's also a reminder that
30:47
it shouldn't take a superstar, a master Jedi of our art form to bring us all together.
30:55
We should be extending the hand of friendship to everyone else around us.
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So yeah, almost immediately the week after, I had a big dinner at my place,
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invited a bunch of people over.
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Partly because i was not healthy enough to perform that weekend
31:08
due to a bad back but that's a different story altogether but
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erroneous of that like any chance to bring us together
31:13
should be a good one i think so that was great but
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then saw the show i don't
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know how much we could talk about the show without spoiling it for anyone who's
31:24
yet to see it for example there's still shows going on on your side of the planet
31:28
in the meantime but why don't you tell us josh about what the experience was
31:33
like when Teller came to visit the Theatre of Magic and what is it like to perform
31:37
for him from your perspective?
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We found out, I mean, I feel like Chris and Nigel probably knew a little bit
31:45
earlier than me, but I think I was informed like 10 days, maybe a week. It really was not long.
31:55
It was like, yeah, I feel like it was like about a week.
31:58
And they're like, hey, in a week, how do you feel like doing a theater magic
32:02
show on a tuesday like next week and i'm like that's weird and they're like
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yeah pen and teller are going to be in town and and they want to see magic while
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they're here like on their night off before they start their 10 show run and i'm like.
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Holy crap we had
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a discussion to see because there's three of us in the theater magic and you
32:23
know we all want to be a part of it but so that there was a good variety we
32:27
agreed i would do the close-up show being in that i do a lot of technical stuff
32:33
out of the three of us chris would host.
32:37
With his, you know, he's such good ad lib skills and talking skills.
32:42
And he would do routines on either side to introduce us. And then the amazing
32:46
Nigel would do his comedy stage show, which is just always hilarious to watch.
32:51
World class. Yeah. And here's the thing.
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Because I knew that he had gone to Melbourne and he had seen magic in Melbourne
33:00
and I knew he had seen Nick. Like I had an idea of like, you know,
33:05
some pretty amazing magic he would have just watched.
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So I was in a funny position where I knew I couldn't just do my normal magic
33:15
because there's a good chance he just saw most of it like, you know, a week ago.
33:21
So I was in like a really funny spot. and
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the only thing i could do in my head was like okay
33:27
don't worry about trying to like you know
33:30
do the best you know ambitious card
33:34
refly whatever let's just make
33:37
it a show in a way that like he will enjoy because there's some funny jokes
33:41
and premises and stuff that like he will appreciate so that's the angle i went
33:46
for and for every routine i did i had some kind of like magician code joke layered
33:52
into it so that it was like,
33:54
I know you know what's going on, but let me tell you some stuff that the rest
33:59
of the audience doesn't know that's going on. That's how I kind of played it.
34:04
But that does not help with the nerves because whenever you do something new
34:08
in a show, it's nerve wracking anyway.
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But knowing you're doing a few little bits that are new and And,
34:15
you know, one of the goats of magic is in the audience, really does a number
34:20
on you. So I was pretty nervous.
34:23
Like, I'll be honest. I was like, I do not get nervous doing magic.
34:27
But this is the time I was like, I had to like control my breathing and stuff,
34:31
like before the show, like earlier in the night.
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But fortunately, Teller joined us for dinner first.
34:38
So that let me get out my awkwardness and nerves and everything before the show.
34:44
I'm so thankful we had dinner before the show because I could just be weird and awkward then.
34:50
And then, you know, be cool, calm and collected.
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You like magic? Yeah.
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It makes it pretty cool. Yeah, that's fine.
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Exactly. Well, Penn's pretty tall, huh? Yeah, he's taller than I am.
35:05
Yeah and uh so you speak when
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you hang out yes i just i don't speak
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when i'm performing magic oh that's pretty cool
35:15
man yeah exactly that
35:19
so you could get all that weird stuff out of the way and
35:22
then so but yeah and then what happened was when he came in
35:25
so we didn't tell anyone why the special occasion
35:28
of a tuesday show was so everyone in the audience were
35:31
people who had been to our shows before they're all sitting there and then teller
35:36
is the last person to be brought in and he's right at the front so all of a
35:41
sudden everyone's here ready to enjoy magic and they look over and they see
35:45
like the headliner of q pack with all these sold-out shows.
35:50
Just walk past them and sit down and everyone is freaking out like this one
35:55
lady's like verbally just like oh my god gets out her phone is like filming him walking to his seat,
36:02
And so we had to like calm everyone down for, you know, like 10 seconds and
36:06
be like, all right, so we're going to do this show now.
36:10
And the last thing I'll say is one of the routines I haven't,
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I don't know if there's a way I can frame this in video because I filmed my
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set, obviously with telewatching.
36:20
I wanted to do a routine talking about how Australians shorten their words.
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Like we abbreviate everything.
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A U-turn is what we call a Yui, a service station is what we call a servo, a sandwich is a sanger.
36:36
And I wanted to have this funny play on words with Nutella.
36:39
So I got a little sandwich portable pack of Nutella, a little spread,
36:43
which is a chocolate hazelnut spread we put on our sandwich.
36:47
And so I set all those other examples and then I brought out the Nutella and
36:51
I'm like, as a kid, we don't call this Nutella.
36:53
We say, mom, can I have some Tella on my sandwich?
36:58
That gets a laugh and then i say and it's always
37:01
been my dream to perform a routine
37:05
with teller on stage and tonight that becomes a reality and it gets this applause
37:10
because everyone knows i'm talking about teller but i'm directing my attention
37:14
to this and then i say who else is a fan of teller as i'm opening up the teller
37:19
spread everyone puts their hands up and then my favorite line that i'm
37:23
glad teller laughed at quite a lot too because he knows it's true i was like
37:27
all right and you know you don't need a lot of teller because teller is very
37:31
rich and i keep going with the routine and everyone just laughs so hard because
37:36
it's like yeah this is an awkward moment we have this,
37:39
goat of magic you know he's so successful and he
37:42
even he even i will say teller even did like a rich person's laugh he was like
37:47
yeah like that kind of a laugh so funny i'll see if there's a way i can edit
37:53
it to to make it interesting to watch other than me just saying a joke but yeah
37:57
it's pretty cool he had really nice things to say afterwards as well like.
38:01
You know, I keep something to me because, you know, I feel like he says nice
38:06
things to a lot of people, but particularly about my sleight of hand,
38:09
he was like really impressed. And he shared his coin production work with me as well.
38:15
He said he doesn't do it too much anymore. Yeah. The tell a snatch and things
38:19
that he doesn't do now because of his arthritis, but it was,
38:22
it was just so cool to spend that time.
38:25
And he was, you know, he's, he's, he's the best. He
38:28
took selfies with every single person that
38:30
was at that theater of magic that night and yeah
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and then i went and saw the show which we'll talk about experience
38:37
without exposing any tricks i went to the show and then
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after the show i walked him back to his hotel and
38:43
we went up and chatted in his apartment for like half
38:45
an hour about magic ideas and all that
38:48
kind of stuff and i think nigel is about to have that experience tonight
38:51
to see the show and then probably have dinner with him or something afterwards
38:54
it is i'll just i was reminded of something
38:57
when you said that like when you just see
39:00
this like awesome headliner just walk past you and just freak everyone
39:03
out we took him to the hot springs here
39:06
and we went and did like cold plunges and spas and
39:09
like all these sort of sauna based things and and he was up for it the whole
39:14
time he's just such a trooper and it was really funny because i got this one
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photo i haven't i've never posted it it's just one of my little personal i'm
39:21
just going to share it only here on the magic guys podcast youtube channel i
39:25
will not share this anywhere else but there is this awesome photograph.
39:29
Of just all of us sitting in
39:32
that's so funny there's me
39:36
there's an amazing card magician called chian yio and just teller and we're
39:39
just sitting in these buckets just like these hot buckets but yeah oh that's
39:44
funny now gutbuster mike was talking about the teller snatch And it's effectively
39:48
the way that he produces the coins for the miser's routine with the goldfish.
39:53
So that's what that move is, where he reaches into thin air and just snaps.
39:57
And it's the handling on that. It's pretty awesome. Yeah.
40:01
Pretty awesome. So the thing that I'll mention about the show,
40:04
which I was super surprised about, is how in the moment Penn is.
40:10
Like, I thought, you know, you've done these shows for 50 years.
40:13
You're just going to be reciting patter and going through the motions but he's
40:18
so in the moment that he's coming up with all this great comedy material in
40:22
real time that's by play with the audience and the thing that was impressive
40:28
too is he's recalling every person's name that's helped out throughout the show yeah,
40:33
Even towards the end, he's thanking the people that helped out at the very start.
40:38
And this guy, and you think he's probably a plant because he doesn't even speak English well.
40:42
And all this kind of stuff was really impressive that that really shows you
40:47
that, okay, they're here in this theater with us right now.
40:50
Yeah. And full credit to Penn, for those of you that haven't seen the show yet.
40:54
He's on stage the entire time.
40:57
For the whole two, two and a half hours, however long the show was.
41:01
Yeah, it's like two hours, yeah. yeah like ordinarily it's like
41:04
pen goes away teller does a routine by
41:07
himself in dead silence with no music or anything like that he might
41:10
do the the the rose shadows routine he
41:13
might do his his red ball or whatever else
41:16
nah man like pen is there from start
41:19
to finish mouthing off the whole time and he is so
41:23
engaging and so funny and so sharp yeah
41:26
it killer absolutely i was so surprised because
41:29
i've always been a teller fan and like
41:33
accepted pen as part of the routines you know like he's always like delivering
41:38
the presentation of why they're doing this stuff but today i was super entertained
41:45
by pen on his in his own right and then teller would come together and they'd do this amazing magic.
41:52
Bloody hell it was yeah it
41:55
was fun and also the thing i noticed too is for every
41:58
routine they did they had a big
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some kind of a backdrop like a you know something interesting
42:05
to look at that filled up the stage did you notice that like they
42:08
always had these big you know not canvases
42:12
but like a big backdropy kind of a thing that would
42:15
play into the routine the set design was really good
42:18
there was a couple of uh like one of my personal there was
42:21
an effect they do which is like a gift shop and they fully emulate
42:24
it yeah that is my that was probably my favorite routine
42:27
and like the whole one of the favorites like i mean it's
42:30
really hard to pull them apart they're like milliseconds apart as far
42:33
as like which one wins the race but man that routine
42:36
with with the trash cans and so forth it was just so
42:40
good and it generally looks like a shop like it looks like
42:42
the gift shop like where you buy your merchandise from it
42:45
was so well done i think this is
42:48
we can tip off like the the beginning of that right
42:51
because not not the effect but the this the the gift
42:53
shop stuff right like the way he gets someone on stage is they're like now we
42:59
think it's terrible to pitch your merchandise during the show and talk about
43:04
the stuff you can buy after the show we would never do that so instead we brought
43:08
the merchandise on stage and they and And they open it up and Teller's wearing all their merch.
43:13
But they're like, now who here was planning to buy some merchandise after the show?
43:19
And they pick someone up and they're like, now what were you going to buy?
43:22
And they say a shirt. And they're like, all right, you can buy it now.
43:26
And they're like, get out your credit card. And the credit card is what they're
43:31
going to use later in the routine. But they're like, now here's the funny part.
43:35
This merchandise checkout is real. and he taps the card and they actually purchase a shirt on stage.
43:44
And like, here you go, until he gives it to them in the bag.
43:47
Like the poetry, like the artistry on that is just so funny because it wouldn't
43:52
be as funny if it wasn't really getting purchased.
43:55
Yeah. And that's the thing. Penn has this ability to, like Penn can talk for
44:01
a solid five minutes straight without doing a single magic trick.
44:05
And I am hooked on every word he says.
44:08
Like i don't know if you recall the bit there's a
44:10
bit in the show where you know
44:13
that you have to address that there's going to be stooges at some
44:16
point and and it's like and so
44:19
what he does is it's this is like well towards the end of the show and he says
44:22
who was involved in the show that tonight and then every person that was involved
44:26
stands up at this point there's a dozen people he goes that means that all you
44:31
guys would have been stooges now how many of you guys came with the people here
44:35
because you would have to be involved as well knowing that that person's a stooge.
44:37
And before you know it, three quarters of the audience is standing up just through
44:41
this whole rigmarole that he goes through.
44:42
And if you think all these people are stooge, like.
44:46
With everybody on payroll and benefits and this and this and that,
44:51
like we would not make a single dollar. Like this is the dumbest thing you can think of.
44:54
And then everyone sits down and then he says, now if you still think the way
44:58
of using stooges and you're a non-believer, stand up.
45:02
And then like 20 people stand up, still not believing it. And he's like, these idiots, you know?
45:07
Yeah. And he brings them all on stage and does a routine with them.
45:09
He brings every, like, yeah, every non-believer on stage that puts their hand
45:15
up and doesn't affect with them.
45:16
Yeah and yeah man it's
45:19
so funny yeah so good and so
45:22
entertaining and that whole thing we
45:25
just spoke about in 30 seconds that's like a
45:27
six seven minute process but it is a laugh it is
45:30
impressive it's you're listening man
45:33
like it is really good like it's a really good
45:36
bit of kit their justification for getting into
45:39
routines is amazing like the even like the the crushing your dreams premise
45:43
i bloody love that like yeah yeah yeah there's just so many good things it's
45:49
what we're saying like it's worth you don't go and see it because you're like
45:52
oh yeah i should go and see them because they're pen and teller like no no this
45:56
is like a really entertaining.
45:58
Funny ass show that has been
46:01
really sought out and it's just very funny to watch and
46:04
great magic but yeah yeah good
46:08
times good times it's inspiring it
46:11
is now here's the thing after you watch a show like that and after
46:15
the people after the the trucks are gone
46:17
and they're off to the next city like this is what you're yet to experience
46:22
like at what point are you kind of like i gotta do better i want to work harder
46:27
or i want to you know like oh yeah bro absolutely like right absolutely i mean.
46:35
So for example the piece that I like tailored for Teller to come and see the
46:42
show after that I thought.
46:45
Why the hell aren't I doing that every week? Like this stuff that I made for
46:50
him to enjoy, like I could be doing this stuff every week from moving forward
46:55
because it's still funny for anyone who is half in the know of magic.
46:59
They're going to enjoy the heck out of the extra bits I've added.
47:03
So even that, I was like, why the hell haven't I been tailoring my stuff more in general?
47:09
But then, yeah, then seeing this show, you're like, god damn
47:12
it there's just so much room for for
47:16
you know lifting up the stuff
47:19
that i'm doing already and i've been enjoying doing the theory of magic so much
47:25
but it definitely has made me go okay there is a show that i've been wanting
47:30
to write as a like a a one-man show for for a stage And now I'm like,
47:36
yeah, this is, this is time.
47:38
I should definitely be doing this as well as the stuff I enjoy doing.
47:42
But like, yeah, this is definitely needs to be done.
47:45
I can agree with you on that. Because a lot of times when I think about what
47:48
I do with myself and the one sort of mantra that I'm constantly telling myself,
47:53
and it's very unhealthy, I actually been corrected on this.
47:56
And it's, I always tell myself, you can always do more. You can do more.
48:00
Right. You could read more. You can run more. You can exercise more.
48:04
You can study more. You could also rest more.
48:07
You could also spend time with
48:08
your family more. I just believe you can do more. You can always do more.
48:14
And that's the type of thing. But what spins me out the most is that when you
48:17
see these routines, these highly fooling routines, for those in the know,
48:22
there's a routine using these balloons as they have three people on stage and
48:26
they have this whole balloon process where all these balloons pop and it's a
48:30
phenomenal, really, really cool routine.
48:34
And he's telling me it's based off a David Burglass idea. And I'm going,
48:38
I do not remember reading that anywhere of Burglass's stuff.
48:42
And he's like, oh, it's in this book. And I'm like, oh, you mean that book that
48:45
were only 200 were printed? And it's like four grand to get a copy of that book.
48:49
I was talking to a friend of mine, Bourdain Hatton yesterday,
48:51
and we're talking about David P.
48:53
Abbott, a famous magician from the US who was the creator of the floating ball,
48:59
as well as the talking tea kill and a couple of others. I'm putting together a history lesson on him.
49:03
So we'll get to that at some point, but getting this information is quite difficult.
49:07
And that's because the story of his book was super difficult to,
49:11
to, to find and actually make.
49:14
And that is a story in itself to get a copy of that book is 2000 Aussie dollars.
49:19
Like that's what Bodane sold it for two grand.
49:23
And Teller was one of the people who developed that book, you know,
49:27
I think 400 copies of it went out or something like that.
49:30
The, the, the, the one thing that I love more than anything from hanging out
49:34
with Teller is I just want to consume books.
49:36
I just want to devour books and read and read and read. And I hate not reading magic.
49:41
I can't, the TV doesn't entice me at all.
49:45
Instagram doesn't entice me at all. None of it does, but you put,
49:49
you put any, any magic book in front of me, good or bad.
49:52
And I just devour it. and I've never been a good reader my whole life.
49:55
I'm not a bright kid, never have been.
49:58
But reading, I was told a long time ago, it's like, no, no, no.
50:02
Everyone knows how to read, you just haven't found the right books yet.
50:05
Hand to God, magic books, I can devour them. I love reading magic books,
50:09
but you give me anything else.
50:11
You give me any sort of thing to do with fantasy.
50:14
I'm like, realms, anything with realms, no.
50:21
Realms, Jesus Christ. nah can't
50:24
do it but that's all it makes me want to do because you just keep hearing these
50:27
stories of oh yeah this is from like the 1800s this trick and then i just remade
50:31
it and no one knows the method because it's so old that's what that's what i
50:37
that's what i'm inspired to do after watching something like that so after you
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sing the show you want to do your own thing and i just want to learn.
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100 100 i have a cool name
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that i think i want to use for my show but i
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won't say it now because the show's not actually a
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thing yet so it'd be silly to drop a cool name
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that you know anyone could use really but definitely
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yeah it was also perfect too because
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only a couple of weeks before teller coming
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to brisbane adam shire came to brisbane the creator
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of of siri and he had
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really good notes on magic as
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well from a different perspective from someone who's just seen so
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many magic shows and he was particularly
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saying like you should know who
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your character is as a magician and use that to your advantage and sort of like
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not limit the magic you do but it should all like fit the character like the
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magic you're doing in his opinion for and he gave the classic example of the
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illusionist you know being the most successful like theater.
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Magic ensemble show in the world and it did so well
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because everyone was like a character like you know
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the mischief whatever the the escapist
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the da da da the sleight of hand you know and
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so he watched my show and was like he's
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like you're so good at magic and you it
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comes across that you're so technically versed and
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stuff but then all of a sudden you do this whimsical like drink
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prediction and it doesn't fit anything else you did and
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so why did you do that routine and so it was really good so it made me like
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use these limits to to make myself a bit more memorable to the audience and
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have them feel like they learned more about me as a performer there's two things
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i'm taking away from that and i think that it's giving you direction.
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That's and i could have summarized it with that yeah yeah probably
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yeah and well just for everyone out there that gives them direction you know
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like when you and the direction is interesting because for me it
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comes from something that bizarro said in his lectures where
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he said creating with restriction and i think that's a
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good place to be as well when i give examples of this
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i i just like if i just say vanish a coin you're like oh the
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list is this long and then it's like okay well
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okay vanish a coin with one hand and
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then it's like half the list and then it's like vanish it
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with one hand and then show both the front and back
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you know and then vanish it with one hand and have it entirely
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vanish not to be found again ever and ever and ever and you
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got to do it naked then all of a sudden is like only one of three
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ways you can do that you know yeah and it's
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that type of thinking that whenever i'm creating i have
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to do it this way and i get stuck with stuff because if someone
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comes to me with my restrictions and
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the way that i want to do magic if someone says something like just do
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a x just do a shuttle pass just use a change bag nick k doesn't use change bags
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right like it's just not my character no no no it's got to be smarter than that
53:43
it's got to be cool than that i have something that's been on my mind for a long long time to uh.
53:50
To distance myself with regards to this ringing bell effect that I've,
53:53
that I'm doing. And well, I'm say doing, I haven't done it public yet.
53:57
I've done it once in public. I lie, but I'm trying to do it in such a way that
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like, I don't go near the thing at all.
54:04
Like just, and I'm adding extra layers of stuff.
54:08
I'm putting it on a steel tray so that people don't think I can load it from the bottom.
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I'm doing all this different stuff because that's the Nick K level of magic
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that I want to do. So, yeah, it's one of those things.
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But again, I just consume magic, get the ideas.
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Ben Hart's book, I don't love any of the effects. I don't want to do any of
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the effects, but I love the thinking behind it. And I love anything that provokes that.
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I was having coffees yesterday with my friend, Andy von Bibreiser.
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Someone who's well-versed in mentalism here. And he was showing me these books.
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Orion is a dual book series. I forget who's written it, a Greek magician.
54:44
But some of the thinking there is so genius it's
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so it's annoying like when you it's it's so simple like
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he's so clever that your brain goes
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why didn't i think of that that's freaking genius and so clever but you don't
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think of that and so you need to consume stuff all the time just to know how
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it's done like you know it's it's if you were a chef you'd be like do i salt
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my meat before or after I cook it.
55:12
Like there's just all these nuances that work for certain aspects, but consume it.
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And even William Fisher says here in our chat, he goes, I wish I was more like Nick in that aspect.
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I usually fall asleep within 10 to 20 minutes when reading, when you consume this type of thing.
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So highly caffeinated before cracking a magic book.
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There's nothing wrong with that. I go to bed reading books. And
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the good thing about that is even if you're only consuming 10-20 minutes
55:37
you can digest it think about it and
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really process it you know like those are really really fun things to do so
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and then mike's asking here when you're churning through books is it with props
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in hand no no it's not i just i just like to just read more times than not i
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like if it's really good and it's giving me methods i'm not going to be able to
55:59
I read it, but then I start reading and my mind goes off on a tangent. I start creating.
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It takes me a long time to get through books as a result, but I still chew through them, you know?
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I have a funny story, a gig story, I guess, to put a bow on today in regards to Mike's question.
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Like do you have the props in your hand when you're reading these books
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so this is a this is a
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geek story from two weeks ago we're doing
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the theater magic and i've just got my hands on rz
56:38
win's repertoire to book and i
56:41
had the video of me doing i had the video of this show but
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i don't want to put the video out because i think
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this routine is better just living in the books and in live performance
56:50
and people not seeing it online but there's essentially
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a routine in this book where you as
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the magician leave the room and you call the spectator
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on their phone or your phone and you give them
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your phone you take a spectator's other phone you call them
57:05
and you instruct them what to do on stage and
57:08
you're not even in the room and the premise is like the further you
57:11
the further i am away from the magic the more impressive it is so i leave the
57:17
room and talk to this guy on the phone and he's doing the magic in front of
57:22
the audience and it's super weird to hear the audience laughing and stuff on
57:26
the phone because I can't hear it in real time.
57:30
Anyway, this is the first time. So I practiced the routine, but it's still the
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first time I'm trying it.
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So I walk out of the performing room and I walk into our green room because I'm on the phone.
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So I like instructing him what to do so I can be anywhere really.
57:49
So I walk into our green room, which is only like, you know, 30 meters away.
57:54
And I pull out the book that I've been learning this trip from because I have
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it chapter marked and I sit down in our green room on the phone in a live show
58:04
and I crack it open and I just double check my work and I'm literally reading
58:10
the tutorial of the routine,
58:12
like while it's live being done.
58:16
And just for the first time I'm ever doing it, because I'm like,
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I don't want to accidentally slip up, like, because it's quite finicky in,
58:24
because the outcome is incredible, but you know, you just want to get the instructions right.
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And so, yeah, I'm literally reading the book as it's being performed live in
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the next room. And that was fucking hilarious to me.
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And like, so then I hear the applause and stuff and I close the book.
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I'm like, great. I walk back in the room and continue with the show.
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And it was bloody it was a great
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time it's like a live banana bandana it
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really is right yeah yeah but yeah
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with this that's right with the spectator doing it yeah
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but the spectator's doing a banana bandana like it's totally flipped
59:02
the script yeah yeah yeah well yeah
59:04
william fisher saying he's done that routine as well it killed yeah
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and again it's books as he wins repertoire
59:10
too is a book he only i think he only printed a thousand
59:13
copies damn if there's any left
59:16
but you know it's because that's where the good stuff goes and the
59:21
beauty of it is not it won't be a mainstream known
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thing because it's only if you went to
59:27
that barrier of entry to to read the book and and interpret it and actually
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do it you know yeah absolutely and crazy stuff so right now i'm just i'm all
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about consuming theory but we
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can we'll probably have to talk about that another time as our hour is up.
59:45
Crazy crazy stuff and thank you all for being here tim william adonis gutbuster mike scotty p,
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everyone else is here thomas conga was there i saw scotty as well
59:55
somewhere in our chat good to see you all friends thank you for
59:57
being here this week we will be back next week i may
1:00:00
or may not be here i'm going to be in canada doing some
1:00:03
snowboarding but if it's if if the weather permits and
1:00:06
i'm kind of in my accommodation i will jump
1:00:09
on and join you friends but i don't know where i'm going to be so i'm
1:00:12
not going to make any promises yet so thank you for joining us you can scope
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out my socials nick k magic on instagram or my website nick k magic.com and
1:00:22
josh debito yeah you can all my stuff's below and this is the magic guys episode 204,
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See ya,
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Thanks for listening It's time for us to disappear now Disappear now But we'll
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