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  Speaker 2: Well, good afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Let me say that it is indeed a great privilege
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  Speaker 1: and an honor for me to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I have, like many of.
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  Speaker 1: You, like most of you, perhaps even all of you,
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  Speaker 1: I have been blessed over the years and enriched over
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  Speaker 1: the years by the preaching and teaching that has come
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  Speaker 1: from this pulpit, and I'm grateful. I'm always humbled when
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  Speaker 1: I'm here because Dr. MacArthur started pastoring this church the
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  Speaker 1: year I was born. And, you know, I was born
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  Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, and so I always feel like
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  Speaker 1: there's this, you know, this unique bond between us, at
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  Speaker 1: least from my end, you know. So I'm always grateful
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  Speaker 1: to be here. I'm grateful for ICR. I'm grateful for
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  Speaker 1: the invitation to be a part of this. Grateful to
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  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to join ICR My fellow speakers, has
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  Speaker 1: this not been incredible over the last couple of days?
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful for men who stand with just an unabashed
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  Speaker 1: commitment to the Word of God, to biblical understanding of origins,
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  Speaker 1: who do so with winsome, intelligent, and articulate arguments to
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  Speaker 1: do it in such a way that they can enrich
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  Speaker 1: us and deepen our understanding of these issues. My assignment
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  Speaker 1: today was to address the importance of Genesis and the
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  Speaker 1: issue of education, and I decided that it was really
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  Speaker 1: difficult to do that, and so I added another layer
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  Speaker 1: to it to make it even more difficult to do
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  Speaker 1: it in.
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  Speaker 2: The time that was allotted.
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  Speaker 1: Today, I'm going to address what I believe is the
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  Speaker 1: most pressing cultural issue that we face today, and that
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  Speaker 1: is the issue of same-sex marriage. And it's an issue
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  Speaker 1: that has its roots in our understanding of origins. And
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  Speaker 1: it is an issue that has its roots in modern
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  Speaker 1: American education. I want to help you understand why that's
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  Speaker 1: so and how that is so. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: do a few things here. One is I want to
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  Speaker 1: help you understand how this is a Genesis issue and
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  Speaker 1: a Genesis 1, 2, and 3 issue. And then secondly,
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  Speaker 1: I want to help you understand how it is that
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  Speaker 1: this issue has been framed by those who are promoting
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  Speaker 1: this lifestyle. Thirdly, I want you to understand how that
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  Speaker 1: framing has actually affected us as believers. Fourthly, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to understand how the education system has been used
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  Speaker 1: and co-opted in order to advance this ideology. And then finally,
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  Speaker 1: if we have time, I want to equip you with
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  Speaker 1: an apologetic response. I'm going to say what Dr. MacArthur
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  Speaker 1: said on last night.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see how we get through all of this,
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  Speaker 2: but let's get started and see where we end up. Amen?
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get started.
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  Speaker 1: This was a cover article in The Advocate from a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago, Gay is the New Black. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the line of argumentation that has been most successful for
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  Speaker 1: same-sex marriage advocates. This line of argumentation that sees this
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  Speaker 1: issue as the latest issue in the civil rights struggle. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here today to tell you that it's not like
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  Speaker 1: being black. not in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
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  Speaker 1: And this is not a civil rights issue. Let's look
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  Speaker 1: first at what Genesis teaches about marriage. We'll just look
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  Speaker 1: at two verses in Genesis 2. Therefore, a man shall
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  Speaker 1: leave his father and his mother and hold fast to
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  Speaker 1: his wife. They shall become one flesh. The man and
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  Speaker 1: his wife were both naked and were not ashamed. Notice
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  Speaker 1: the categories here. We have man. We have father-mother. We
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  Speaker 1: have man-wife, man, or wife-man-wife. It is clear here in
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  Speaker 1: Genesis chapter 2 that marriage is to be understood as
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  Speaker 1: a relationship between the two corresponding halves of humanity, between
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  Speaker 1: men and women. It is clear that marriage is not
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  Speaker 1: only to be understood as a relationship between the two
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  Speaker 1: corresponding halves of humanity, but marriage is also to be
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  Speaker 1: understood within.
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  Speaker 2: The context of families.
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  Speaker 1: That procreate or that have the potential for procreation or
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  Speaker 1: that categorically allow for procreation. Also, if we look at
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  Speaker 1: this other, one flesh, these two become one flesh. This
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  Speaker 1: idea of a one flesh union is about the corresponding
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  Speaker 1: complementary makeup of men and women. It is clear from
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  Speaker 1: a biological perspective how men and women are to unite
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  Speaker 1: in a one flesh union and how that one flesh
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  Speaker 1: union bears fruit.
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  Speaker 2: Which is further evidence.
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  Speaker 1: So if you know nothing, if you know nothing about
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  Speaker 1: the way that human beings are supposed to be mated
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  Speaker 1: with one another, you just look at them and you
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  Speaker 1: get a pretty good clue. Then, several months later, you
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  Speaker 1: get a bonus clue that says, yep, that was how
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  Speaker 1: it was supposed to happen. And so we know this.
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  Speaker 1: We know this from Genesis. This is very important. It's
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  Speaker 1: also one of these issues where we run up against
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  Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters with whom we disagree on the
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  Speaker 1: importance of reading Genesis the way that we read Genesis.
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  Speaker 1: Those who say that it's really not all that important,
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  Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter that much. answering questions about origins,
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  Speaker 1: answering questions about whether it's six literal days or whether
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  Speaker 1: we have a literal Adam and Eve, so on and
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  Speaker 1: so forth.
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  Speaker 2: That's really not all that important. What matters is the cross. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Who died on the cross? Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: What did Jesus say about this? Matthew 19, 3 through 6.
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  Speaker 1: The Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking,
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  Speaker 1: Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?
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  Speaker 1: He answered, have you not read that he who created
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  Speaker 1: them from the beginning made them male and female and said, therefore,
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  Speaker 1: a man shall leave his father and his mother and
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  Speaker 1: hold fast to his wife and the two shall become
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  Speaker 1: one flesh.
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  Speaker 2: So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
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  Speaker 1: What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.
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  Speaker 1: So Jesus' teaching on divorce is rooted in his understanding
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  Speaker 1: of Genesis. His understanding of Genesis is rooted in a
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  Speaker 1: literal reading of Genesis chapters 1, 2, and 3. So
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  Speaker 1: when we are to understand not just sin and redemption
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  Speaker 1: and the cross, but when we are to understand marriage,
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  Speaker 1: where marriage comes from, what marriage is for, Jesus himself
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  Speaker 1: is argues hermeneutically that we can only understand marriage properly
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  Speaker 1: when we understand Genesis properly. And when we understand Genesis properly,
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  Speaker 1: we read Genesis literally, in its normal sense. These were
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  Speaker 1: two literal people. These were not just two representatives. These
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  Speaker 1: were two literal people. They were the two first people
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  Speaker 1: who were created. And it is from these two individuals
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  Speaker 1: that we get our understanding of what marriage is. We
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  Speaker 1: also understand the purpose of marriage from Genesis. Even in Genesis,
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  Speaker 1: we understand that marriage has the purpose of procreation, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: the purpose of procreation, illustration, and sanctification. We get this
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  Speaker 1: even in Genesis. We understand that there is a procreative purpose.
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  Speaker 1: This be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Adam's
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  Speaker 1: not going to do that by himself. He needs Eve
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  Speaker 1: for that. We understand the idea of illustration. This is
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  Speaker 1: a picture. This is a picture of the triune God
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  Speaker 1: who has existed for eternity in union and unison with
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  Speaker 1: himself in the Godhead. God the Father, Son, the Holy
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  Speaker 1: Spirit in perfect unity and perfect harmony. The Son eternally
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  Speaker 1: proceeding from the Father or eternally begotten of the Father.
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  Speaker 1: We understand that this is an illustration. It's a picture
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  Speaker 1: of who God is. We also understand this idea of sanctification.
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  Speaker 1: That there is a holiness in marriage that the man
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  Speaker 1: and woman are naked and they're not ashamed.
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  Speaker 2: Sin enters into the world.
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  Speaker 1: And the man and the woman are ashamed of their nakedness.
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  Speaker 2: One of the funniest things in the whole Bible.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Genesis 3, I just can't read it without
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  Speaker 1: just busting my side. First, you know, God shows up
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  Speaker 1: and Adam runs and hides behind a tree.
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  Speaker 2: Can he see me? And in a second, you know,
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  Speaker 2: where were you? Okay, okay, see, well, all right, wait.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, okay, okay, see, what had happened was, you, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you came, and then I was, and then I hid
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  Speaker 1: because I was, because I was, because I was naked.
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  Speaker 1: And then the greatest question probably in the whole Bible.
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  Speaker 1: Who told you you were naked? Because you've been naked
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  Speaker 1: the whole time, bro. You ate from the tree, didn't you?
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  Speaker 1: You ate from the tree. Sin enters and guilt and
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  Speaker 1: shame enters. And so this violation of this one flesh
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  Speaker 1: union comes because of sin. So we understand, even from Genesis,
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  Speaker 1: the purpose of marriage. So what's wrong with homosexuality? A
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  Speaker 1: number of things, but just a few in this context.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, it's a violation of the created order. It's
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  Speaker 1: a violation of the created order. It's not how we
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  Speaker 1: were made. Secondly, it denounces procreation categorically. It denounces procreation categorically.
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  Speaker 1: And I say categorically because, you know, the homosexual lobby,
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  Speaker 1: they try to be slick. Or are you saying that
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  Speaker 1: people who are beyond childbearing years shouldn't get married? No,
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  Speaker 1: because categorically they are still the two corresponding parts of
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  Speaker 1: humanity that produce children and produce a family that is
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  Speaker 1: designed to raise, rear, and protect children. So categorically they're
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  Speaker 1: still in the same ballpark even if they don't have children. Thirdly,
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  Speaker 1: it blasphemes the illustration. It blasphemes the illustration. This is
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  Speaker 1: especially true when we understand the illustration of Christ and
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  Speaker 1: his bride, the church. And then finally, it denies the
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  Speaker 1: very need for sanctification because it takes what God calls
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  Speaker 1: sinful and calls it righteous. God calls this an abomination
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  Speaker 1: and we instead call it righteous.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only sin, by the way, for.
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  Speaker 1: Which God destroyed cities with fire and brimstone.
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  Speaker 2: It's unique. It's unique. It's not like other sins. It's unique.
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  Speaker 1: Not all sins are called abominations. Homosexuality is unique in
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  Speaker 1: that regard. Very few sins in that category. And not
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  Speaker 1: all sins were ended in God destroying twin cities with.
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  Speaker 2: Fire and brimstone. It's unique in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: Not all sins are talked about in the Bible like
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  Speaker 1: in Romans 1, as having a penalty in the flesh.
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  Speaker 2: Homosexuality is. It's unique in that regard. Okay? What about
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  Speaker 2: this issue of education?
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  Speaker 1: So, again, we understand there, and we'll talk about this more,
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  Speaker 1: that our understanding of Genesis is crucial to our understanding
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  Speaker 1: of marriage, and it's crucial to our understanding of homosexuality
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  Speaker 1: and its inappropriateness. But what about this issue of education?
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  Speaker 1: How do we make this connection? Let me just give
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  Speaker 1: you one example. Arne Duncan is the Secretary of Education
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  Speaker 1: for the United States. And lest you think that Arne
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  Speaker 1: Duncan was brought up to be the Secretary of Education
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  Speaker 1: because of his skills as an education secretary, when he
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  Speaker 1: was the Secretary of Education in Illinois before he came
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  Speaker 1: to Washington, D.C., only 83% of eighth graders couldn't read
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  Speaker 1: at grade level. And only 87% of eighth graders couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do math at grade level. And only 77% of eighth
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  Speaker 1: graders couldn't write at grade level. And only 84% of
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  Speaker 1: eighth graders couldn't do science.
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  Speaker 2: At grade level. That's all. He was horrible. But he
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  Speaker 2: was innovative. By the way, here's what's more astonishing. he
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  Speaker 2: did this by.
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  Speaker 1: Spending a modest $ 10, 555 per year per student. Now, we
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  Speaker 1: homeschool our children. So I just sort of extrapolated that.
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  Speaker 1: And we got four who are schooling right now. And so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that would be like us spending $ 42, 220 on
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  Speaker 1: the education of the four children that we're educating at
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  Speaker 1: home right now.
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  Speaker 2: Give me that. I'll do better than he did in Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee you, all right? And everybody's always hollering, it's
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  Speaker 2: a money issue. No, it's not. No, it's not. That's
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  Speaker 2: a perverse amount of money to spend on education. Perverse.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't cost that much.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, home educators outperform public and private schoolers
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  Speaker 1: and spend an average of less than $ 600 per student
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  Speaker 1: per year.
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  Speaker 2: Money is not the answer. Money is not the answer.
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  Speaker 2: So what was this all about?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he started Chicago's Annenberg Challenge, which was one of
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  Speaker 1: the innovative Marxist programs that was established there in Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Bill Ayers and Barack Obama served together
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  Speaker 1: on the board of the Annenberg Challenge. He endorsed establishing
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  Speaker 1: the Chicago Social Justice High School's Pride Campus.
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  Speaker 2: What's significant about that?
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  Speaker 1: It was Chicago's first government high school for the promotion
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  Speaker 1: and reinforcement of the sodomite lifestyle. It was a gay campus.
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  Speaker 1: It was a gay campus. Then there's a guy, Kevin Jennings.
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  Speaker 1: Who's Kevin Jennings? Well, he's the founder of GLSEN, the Gay, Lesbian,
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  Speaker 1: Straight Education Network. His goal through GLSEN was to have
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  Speaker 1: a gay-straight alliance in every school in America. Virtually every
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  Speaker 1: school district in America has gay-straight alliances in them. But
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  Speaker 1: then he developed another brilliant strategy. His strategy was to
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  Speaker 1: introduce a program called Safe Schools. It's an anti-bullying curriculum,
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  Speaker 1: or at least that's what it goes by. It's actually
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  Speaker 1: a pro-homosexual curriculum designed to indoctrinate school children toward the
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  Speaker 1: homosexual lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: What does this have to do with Secretary Duncan?
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  Speaker 1: Secretary Duncan brought Kevin Jennings to Washington to be the
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  Speaker 1: safe schools czar, to federalize his pro-homosexual curriculum for all
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  Speaker 1: school districts in these United States of America.
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  Speaker 2: This is earwork. Not everywhere. Airwear.
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  Speaker 1: That's beyond everywhere, okay? It's airwear, y'all. There is no escaping.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the question. Why blackness? Why attach this to blackness?
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  Speaker 1: Why try to make the civil rights argument? I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that article in The Advocate. The Advocate is a pro-homosexual magazine.
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  Speaker 1: I would recommend that you not go get a copy.
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  Speaker 1: Just because, I would recommend you not do that to yourself.
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  Speaker 2: It's vile.
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  Speaker 1: But listen to what the author Michael Dineny wrote. We
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  Speaker 1: have no natural allies and therefore cannot rely on the
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  Speaker 1: assistance of any group. We have only tactical allies, people
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  Speaker 1: who do not want barbarous things done to us because
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  Speaker 1: they fear the same things may someday be done to them.
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  Speaker 1: It's the only thing that they can rely on, he says.
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  Speaker 1: All we've got to rely on is to have people
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  Speaker 1: think that they need to protect us so that they
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  Speaker 1: are not next. Russell Kirk and Hunter Maxson, we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about them more later. But listen to this. To suggest
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  Speaker 1: in public that homosexuality might be chosen is to open
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  Speaker 1: the can of worms labeled moral choice and sin and
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  Speaker 1: give the religious intransigence a stick to beat us with.
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  Speaker 2: Straights must be taught Excuse me. Straights must be taught
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  Speaker 2: that it is as natural.
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  Speaker 1: For some persons to be homosexual as it is for
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  Speaker 1: others to be heterosexual. Wickedness and seduction have nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with it. And since no choice is involved, gayness
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  Speaker 1: can be no more blameworthy than straightness. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to notice that this is an argument from origins. This
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  Speaker 1: is an argument from based upon their understanding of the
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  Speaker 1: nature of man. This is why Genesis matters. They're arguing
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  Speaker 1: that this is the way we were made, or this
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  Speaker 1: is the way that we have evolved, and therefore, there
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  Speaker 1: is no morality associated with it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is a dangerous statement to make.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, suppose, you know, we can say that I
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  Speaker 1: have a genetic predisposition toward violence. Does that make it okay?
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  Speaker 1: Because we can prove that I have a genetic predisposition.
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  Speaker 1: If I have a genetic predisposition toward drunkenness, does that
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  Speaker 1: make it okay? Officer pulls me over. Sir, you been drinking? Officer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Sir, you want to get out
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  Speaker 1: of the car? Okay, but before I do, you should
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  Speaker 1: need to know I got that drunk gene. Oh, well, sir,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Please, weave on your way. In fact, it
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  Speaker 1: is as simple.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of the odds, one in ten as
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  Speaker 1: to who turns out gay and who's straight. Each heterosexual
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  Speaker 1: must be led to realize that he might as easily
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  Speaker 1: have been born homosexual himself.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, the one in ten number in their book, they.
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  Speaker 1: Acknowledge that there's nothing to support this number other than
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  Speaker 1: debunked Kinsey research. And we know. We know and they know.
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  Speaker 1: that Kinsey's research is not reliable. The most widely accepted
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  Speaker 1: study on sexual practice in the United States is the
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  Speaker 1: National Health and Social Life Survey. And according to that research, 2.8%
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  Speaker 1: of males and 1.4% of females identify themselves as gay, lesbian,
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  Speaker 1: or bisexual. So somewhere between 1% and 3%, not 10%.
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  Speaker 1: Somewhere between 1% and 3%. Who are the key exponents
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  Speaker 1: of this gay equals black ideology? Several people. One, obviously
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  Speaker 1: homosexual activists. Secondly, black civil rights leaders. And they have
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  Speaker 1: to be black civil rights leaders because the homosexual community
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  Speaker 1: knew that they had to have black people as cover
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  Speaker 1: because membership has its privileges. There are certain things that
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  Speaker 1: I can say that you can't. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: write the rules, okay? I'm just saying. In fact, that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that people don't want people who
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  Speaker 1: look like me talking about this issue. Because other people,
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  Speaker 1: they just say, well, you're just a bigot. You're just
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  Speaker 1: a racist bigot. And with me, they just go, well.
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  Speaker 2: You're just....
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  Speaker 1: I do not like the race card, but if you
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  Speaker 1: got one, you know. Judges, judges are joining the parade.
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  Speaker 1: Business and political leaders and even religious leaders who are
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  Speaker 1: very important in this process. Let's look at these, and
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  Speaker 1: some we'll pay a little more attention to for the
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  Speaker 1: sake of time. There's a book, After the Ball, the
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  Speaker 1: subtitle is How America Will Overcome Its Fear and Hatred
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  Speaker 1: of Gays in the Decade of the Nineties. Two Harvard professors,
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  Speaker 1: Russell Kirk and Hunter Matson, I've already quoted them earlier.
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  Speaker 1: One was a professor in the area of psychology and
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  Speaker 1: the other in marketing. And they wrote this book in 1989.
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  Speaker 1: In 1988, there was a meeting of 104 leading homosexual activists.
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  Speaker 1: And they strategized as to how they could change the
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  Speaker 1: way people viewed homosexuals and homosexuality. In 1989, this book
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  Speaker 1: was published. And if you read it today, it reads
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  Speaker 1: like history. You can't believe that it was actually published
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  Speaker 1: in 1989. The moment. Listen to what they say. This
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  Speaker 1: is them in the book. All of this is them. AIDS,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: though a loose canon, is a canon indeed. As cynical
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: as it may seem, AIDS gives us a chance, however brief,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to establish ourselves as a victimized minority legitimately deserving of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: America's special protection and care. This, therefore, is the question
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and the challenge. How can we surmount our insurmountable opportunity?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: How can we maximize the sympathy and minimize the fear? How,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: given the horrible hand that AIDS has dealt us, can
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we best play it? How do we take advantage of
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the AIDS crisis? Never, never let a crisis go to waste.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: The method. The campaign we outline in After the Ball,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising. The
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: two fields of these Harvard professors who wrote the book.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: By the way, this is what they say about propaganda.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: The characteristics, the three characteristics distinguish propaganda from other modes
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of communication and continue or contribute to its sinister reputation. Again,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: these are the authors writing. Their program is a program
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of propaganda. And now they're telling you why propaganda has
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: such a bad reputation. Just a few things. One, it
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: relies on emotional manipulation. Two, it uses lies, like one
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in ten. And three, it's subjective and one-sided. This is
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: their strategy. Emotional manipulation, lies, and subjective, one-sided information. Tell
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: our side of the story as movingly as possible. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the battle for hearts and minds, effective propaganda nodes enough
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to put its best foot forward. This is what our
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: own media campaign must do. And in 89, they outlined
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a media campaign. What did they want to do in
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: their media campaign? Three things. Desensitizing, jamming, and conversion. By
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the way, these are the three steps to brainwashing. These
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: are the three things that they wanted to do. This
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: is the way that they wanted people to change the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: way they thought. This is the way they wanted to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: get people like us off of a Genesis-oriented understanding of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: origins and their consequences to another understanding of origins and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: their consequences. Desensitizing. What does that look like? To desensitize
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: straights to gays and gayness... inundate them in a continuous
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: flood of gay-related advertising presented in the least offensive fashion possible.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: least eventually get used to being wet.
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  Speaker 2: Desensitizing. Tell the truth.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You see a gay character on a show, you don't
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: even get offended anymore. It's just there. We're just so
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: used to it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: How? Movies?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: TV shows, commercials, outed actors and athletes. These are the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: ways that you desensitize. Get people used to it. By
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the way, in the movies, the homosexual character has to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: be the best dressed, most intelligent, wittiest, and funniest character
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in the movie and in the television shows.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: They have to be that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Now, when you get popular people like actors who come out,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that's okay. But when you get an athlete to come out,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: this is even more important. This is why when you
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: get an NBA basketball player to come out, the President
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of the United.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: States congratulates him.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: This is why when Michael Sam comes out before the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: NFL draft, it is national news.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Everywhere you can think of. Why?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Because these are the images that must be put forward
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: for this particular propaganda campaign. And please notice that the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: White House spoke out in both of those instances and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: in support of both of those instances. Why is that important?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: The athlete angle is really important because of jamming. Desensitizing
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We just want you to be exposed. Jamming
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: requires a particular kind of exposure. Accuse religious people. Gays
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: can use talk to muddy the moral waters. That is
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to undercut the rationalizations that justify religious bigotry and to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: jam some of its psychic rewards. portray anti-gay institutions as
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: antiquated and backwards and badly out of step with the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: times and with the latest findings of psychology. Another thing
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you do, as far as jamming, you want to understand
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: what jamming is. Jamming works when you take two contradictory
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: images and juxtapose them. And so Christian people hate the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: idea of the Nazis and the skinheads and the KKKs.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So what you do is you portray people who are
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: against same-sex marriage as being akin to Nazis, skinheads, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the KKK. Since nobody wants to be accused of being
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a Nazi, a skinhead, or the KKK, eventually nobody's going
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to want to be accused of being anti-same-sex marriage.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: This is jamming.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: This is why in your average Sunday sermon from a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: pastor that deals with homosexuality, the first third of it
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: will be apologizing. Imagine this on a Sunday morning from
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a church. Now church, we're going to address the issue
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of adultery, but I don't want you to be alarmed.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I am not here to bash adulterers. I love adulterers.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Jesus loves adulterers. I have friends who are adulterers. And
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I believe that our church needs to be open and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: accepting toward adulterers.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And I want you to be, right? That just feels wrong,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't it?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: But every time a pastor goes to preach on homosexuality,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we expect that to be up front.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Why? Because we've been jammed. That's why. We've been jammed.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It has been successful.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: That's why the most onerous sin that you can imagine
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: from a has us apologizing for saying what God says
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: about it. And so out of step with psychology, what?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Psychology proves this stuff? Yeah, because everybody knows that that's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: how people are born, right? We have the LeVay brain study,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Bailey and Pillard's twin study. We have Hamer's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: X chromosome study. You know, we've got Savick's pheromone study. So,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of course, I mean, all of these things, by the way,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: none of these things, none of these things, none of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: these things, has proven a genetic connection to homosexuality. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: even if it did, it wouldn't matter. Do you realize
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that there is nothing that proves that people are homosexual?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: How do you know?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: How do you know a person is homosexual?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: The only way you know is if they tell you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: But there's no way to prove it. There's not even
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: any way to prove that that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Category of people actually exists as a category other than
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: just a behavior.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: There's no way to prove it. How do you prove it?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Is there a blood test? How do you prove it?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: You can't. You can't.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: But everybody assumes that it just is. And we assume,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and we don't even question people when they say, well,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you know, as young as I.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Can remember, when I was a little boy, when I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: was a little girl, I knew. I knew. Folks, that's
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: not true. When they were that young, they weren't even sexualized.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: They didn't know anything. And here's the great irony.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: On the one hand, we say, we need to stop
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: raising our children to believe that just because a boy
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: plays with a doll or a girl wants to play
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: with football, that that somehow means that they're gay. And
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, they go, I knew since I
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: was little that I got— how did you know? You weren't sexual. Well,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: because I used to want to play with the stuff that— but.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. How do you get to have it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: both ways? On the one hand, we say, this doesn't
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: mean that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And on the other hand, we say, I know I've
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: been this my whole life because of this meaning that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Do you follow this? It's completely illogical. Nobody knew when
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they were a little kid that they were whatever.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: They didn't even understand that sexually.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: They were still at that phase where, you know, they'd
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: be walking around and if they were in the bathroom
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and a person of the opposite sex came around, they
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: would go, hey, hey, how come they got that? When
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you got nine kids, man, I just, you.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Know. You see it. You sit there like, Don't worry
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: about it, son. Conversion. The last step in this process.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Both desensitization and jamming, though extremely useful, are mere preludes
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to our highest, though necessarily long-range goal, which is conversion.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It isn't enough that anti-gay bigots should become confused about us,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: or even indifferent to us. We are safest in the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: long run when they can when we can actively make
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: them like us. They have a whole section in their
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: book on the love the sinner, hate the sin mentality.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: They despise that. They despise that. Makes them want to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: strangle us. That's not good enough because you're calling it sin.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: That's not good enough. Listen to this. Please don't confuse
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: conversion with political subversion. By conversion, we actually mean something
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: far more profoundly threatening to the American way of life,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: without which no truly sweeping social change can occur. We
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: mean conversion of the average American's emotions, minds, and will
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: through a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: fed to the nation via the media and the schools.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: must get them away from a genesis understanding of maleness
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and femaleness in fact we can't even talk about maleness
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and femaleness we can't even talk about sexes we have
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to talk about genders folks people have sexes nouns have genders.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Amen what about.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Black civil rights leaders boy the time um Julian Bond,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: former head of the NAACP. African Americans were the only
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Americans who were enslaved for two centuries, but we were
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: far from the only Americans suffering discrimination then and now.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Sexual disposition parallels race. In other words, gay is the
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: new black. Corita Scott King, widow of the late Dr.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King. Banning same-sex marriage is a form of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: gay bashing. Gay is the new black. It's not just
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: on the left, it's also on the right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Michael Steele, former chair of the Republican National Committee in
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: GQ magazine. Oh no, I don't think I've ever really
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: subscribed to that view that you can turn it on
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and off like a water tap. I think that there's
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a whole lot that goes into the makeup of an
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: individual that you just can't simply say, oh, like tomorrow morning,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stop being gay. It's like saying tomorrow morning,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stop being black. In other words, gay
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: is the new black. Again, we could go on, but
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: for the sake of time, let's move to judges and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the courts. They've joined the fray.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't play one on TV. But I can read.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And that's all you need to be able to do
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to understand the problem here. California Supreme Court. Our state
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: now recognizes that an individual's capacity to establish a loving
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: care for and raise children does not depend on the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: individual's sexual orientation and, more generally, that an individual's sexual orientation,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: like a person's race or gender, does not constitute a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: legitimate basis upon which to.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Deny or withhold legal rights.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: We therefore conclude that in view of the substance and significance...
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: of the fundamental constitutional right to form a family relationship.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I just still can't find that one.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: The California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: basic civil right to all Californians, whether gay or heterosexual,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and to same-sex couples as well as opposite-sex couples.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: It's akin to blackness. It's the same as blackness. By
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the way, based on what? Based on what evidence? On
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: one of those studies that we talked about earlier? There
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is no proof. There is no evidence. This is made
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: up out of whole cloth. This is a just because
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we say so argument from the California Supreme Court.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Political leaders. President Barack Obama.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: While we have come a long way since the Stonewall
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to do. Too often the issue of LGBT rights is
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: exploited by those seeking to divide us.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Okay. But at its core, this issue is about who
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: we are as Americans. Yes, this is true. Here's what
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I want you to understand.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: The Stonewall Riots in 1969, they are often spoken of
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: as though they are part of this great civil rights struggle.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You need to understand that the Stonewall riots in 69
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: were about the police who broke in on some bathhouses
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: where illicit homosexual sexuality was going on. And in many instances,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: underage boys were being victimized by men. And the homosexual
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: community was angry because their party was broken up. And that,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: our president says, is akin to marching on.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: His LGBT strategy will move on. Business leaders, Steve Jobs,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Sergey Brin, enough said. Religious leaders, for the sake of time.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, we don't have time for all these things.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to just, all right. Religious leaders, listen to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: this from Brian McLaren. Talking about homosexuality. Perhaps we need
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a five-year moratorium on making pronouncements. In the meantime, we'll
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: practice prayerful Christian dialogues listening respectfully, disagreeing agreeably. When decisions
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: need to be made, they'll be admittedly provisional. We'll keep
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: our ears attuned to scholars and biblical studies, theology, ethics, psychology, genetics, sociology,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and related fields. Then in five years, if we have clarity,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: we will speak. If not, we'll set another five years
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: for ongoing reflection. After all, many important issues in church
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: history took centuries to figure out not that's not true
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: maybe this moratorium would help us to resist the winds
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of doctrine blowing furiously from the right from the left
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and the right so we can patiently wait for the
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: wind of the spirit to set our course because you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: know he just not clear in the bible Gene Robinson,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: first gay Episcopal bishop. He was an open homosexual. We
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: know that. But did you know that he was also
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: an admitted alcoholic and that he had abandoned his wife
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and children for his gay lover? All of these things
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: disqualified him from being a bishop. But because he was
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: openly gay, none of that mattered. So what about their strategy?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Here's where the rubber begins to meet the road. When
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: am I supposed to stop? I got minutes here of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: how many minutes I'm going, but I got.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. Listen, listen. Okay, okay. Shh, shh, shh.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: There's strategy. There's strategy. There's strategy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be respectful, y'all, but I'm trying to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: get you this information. Argument ad hominem. This is the
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: argument against the man. This is their strategy. And this
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: is the most common strategy when you get into a
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: debate with people about this issue. They can't make a
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: logical argument, so they make an argument against you. This
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is how kids argue. They start losing an argument, and it's, well,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: so you ugly. That means I got nothing left, okay?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Listen to this from Representative Barney Frank. I wouldn't want
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the homosexual marriage issue to go to the United States
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court now, Because that homophobe, Antonin Scalia, has too
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: many votes on this current court. Speaking about a sitting
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice. Do you notice that when you disagree
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: on the issue of same-sex marriage, it is not your
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: opinion that's wrong, it's you. You are intolerant. You are
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: a homophobe. It's your character. You as a person, you
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: as a human being have been judged, not your position.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I want you to notice this. That the way this
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: is discussed is always in terms of ad hominem attacks.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: You as a person don't deserve to be in this discussion.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Question begging logic. Now begging the question, and this gets
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: all over me. You watch the news and other places
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and people use beg the question when they mean raves
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the question. And they'll say, well that begs the question,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: what about so and so? Actually that's not true. To
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: beg the question is a logical fallacy in an argument.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: To beg the question means to make an argument based
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: on facts that you haven't proven. So if you and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I are debating as to whether or not I beat
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: my dog, and during the debate you say, now when
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you beat your dog, do you use your fist or
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: do you, wait a minute, you haven't proven that I
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: beat my dog, right? You're begging the question. That's what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that means, all right?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: So this is how they argue. One way they argue
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: is this.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: They say homosexuality is as immutable as ethnicity.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You've heard that, right? It's immutable. It's just like ethnicity.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: It's just like your race. That's not true. By the way, 1.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Corinthians 6, 9-11. Do you not know that the unrighteous
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: will not inherit the kingdom of God?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Do not be deceived.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And such were some of you. But you were washed,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: That's 2,000-year-old evidence that people stopped being homosexual.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: 2,000-year-old evidence. 2,000-year-old evidence. You say what you want about
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. He did not stop being black.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Secondly, homosexuals are denied a fundamental right when they are
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: not allowed to marry. I had the privilege of testifying
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: before the Senate in Texas when we were debating whether
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: or not to allow a vote to occur to change
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: our Constitution. And there was one black senator who was
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: using race in a committee to stop the thing from
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: going to a vote. And so I got a phone
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: call from some folks who said, would you come up
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and testify before the Senate? And so I went up
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and testified before the Senate. And anyway, we ended up
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: getting that done. But one of the fundamental things that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: people just sort of let slide is this idea that
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Homosexuals are being denied a fundamental right.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: It's not true. Folks, homosexuals can marry. Listen to this.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: This is from a newspaper article. I am married with
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: two children. Three years ago, I found out my husband
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  Speaker 1: was having an affair with another man. He still lives
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  Speaker 1: at home and continues his relationship with this man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have it.
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  Speaker 1: In me to throw him out and get on with
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  Speaker 1: my life. I'm afraid of bringing up my children alone. Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like there's some homosexuality and he's married. How about
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  Speaker 1: this one? Can you forget this headline? A married man,
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Beattie, who used to be a woman, says that
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  Speaker 1: he is pregnant and will give birth to a baby
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  Speaker 1: girl in July.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget that headline. Guess what?
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  Speaker 1: There's some homosexuality and he's married. When you go to
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  Speaker 1: get a marriage license... When you go to get a
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  Speaker 1: marriage license, nobody says, here's a test to see whether
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  Speaker 1: or not you're homosexual because if you are, you can't
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  Speaker 1: get a marriage license. Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because we don't discriminate in that way. Homosexuals can't get married.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, the Iowa Supreme Court agrees with me.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: It is true, the marriage statute does not expressly prohibit
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  Speaker 1: gay and lesbian persons from marrying.
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  Speaker 2: Boom, that ought to be it. We ought to be
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  Speaker 2: done right here.
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  Speaker 1: The statute does not discriminate. The statute does not discriminate.
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  Speaker 1: It does, however, require that if they marry, it must
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  Speaker 1: be to someone of the opposite sex. Same for me,
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  Speaker 1: which means there's no discrimination. Please tell me you understand this.
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  Speaker 1: There is no discrimination. The same law that applies to
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  Speaker 1: me applies to everyone else.
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  Speaker 2: And so when.
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  Speaker 1: People say that there is this discrimination in the law,
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  Speaker 1: they are lying. The law is treating everyone equally. It's
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  Speaker 1: treating everyone the same. Yeah, but I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, we won't read the rest of this statement, but
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  Speaker 1: just basically you understand their argument. The Iowa Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: is basically saying because they don't want to marry somebody
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  Speaker 1: of the opposite sex, it's really not a right at all.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the reasoning. Homosexuals have the right to marry.
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  Speaker 1: They do not desire to exercise the right as it
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  Speaker 1: currently exists. Therefore, they do not have the right and
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  Speaker 1: the law must be changed.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: There's the syllogism, right? How about we just change... Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the first line. Pacifists have the right
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  Speaker 1: to join the military. They do not desire to exercise
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  Speaker 1: the right as it currently exists. Therefore, they do not
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  Speaker 1: have the right and the law must be changed, which
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  Speaker 1: means we now have to establish a military that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: fight so that pacifists can enjoy the right like everyone
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  Speaker 1: else does.
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  Speaker 2: Airtight, irrefutable. And yet we won't make the argument. Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because we've been desensitized, jammed, and converted. Thirdly, it's wrong
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  Speaker 1: to pass legislation that takes fundamental rights away from or
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  Speaker 1: discriminates against a group of people. And in making that argument,
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  Speaker 1: they're basically saying when two people love each other, they
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  Speaker 1: should be allowed to get married. all laws are discriminatory.
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  Speaker 1: Even this statement, when two people win, we discriminate against 13-year-olds.
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  Speaker 2: Amen, somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Therefore, even what the homosexuals want is discriminatory. When two people,
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  Speaker 1: we discriminate against polygamy and polyamory. Therefore, even what the
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  Speaker 1: homosexuals want is discriminatory. When two people, we discriminate against
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  Speaker 1: bestiality and zuorasty. Therefore, even what they want is discriminatory.
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  Speaker 1: When two people love, a lot of people get married
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  Speaker 1: for some reason other than love. Now we're discriminating against them.
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  Speaker 1: When two people love each other, sometimes you love this
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  Speaker 1: person and that person, but you love that person more.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're discriminating against them. So even the premise of
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  Speaker 1: this argument refutes the idea that you can't make laws
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  Speaker 1: that discriminate. Because even the premise of this argument is discriminatory.
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  Speaker 1: For the sake of time, let me move forward. And
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  Speaker 1: let me just get to the end of this. What
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  Speaker 1: do we do with this? A couple of things. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what we need to understand. We have to understand that
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  Speaker 1: we have truth on our side. And we also have
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  Speaker 1: logic on our side. We also have to understand that
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  Speaker 1: the other side doesn't care about truth and doesn't care
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  Speaker 1: about our logic.
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  Speaker 2: But that must.
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  Speaker 1: Not stop us from making our arguments and from making
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  Speaker 1: our arguments scripturally. Here's the other thing that I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to point out. There's this genetic fallacy argument. And the
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  Speaker 1: genetic fallacy basically is this. You reject an argument because
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  Speaker 1: of where it comes from. And this is why many
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  Speaker 1: Christians are trying to find a way to argue against
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  Speaker 1: homosexual marriage that doesn't involve the Bible. Here's what that
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  Speaker 1: looks like to me. I am a knight and I
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  Speaker 1: approach another knight and I draw my sword and the
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  Speaker 1: other knight looks at.
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  Speaker 2: Me and says, I do not believe in your sword.
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  Speaker 1: And so I put my sword back and I then
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  Speaker 1: give him a lecture on metallurgy to try to convince
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  Speaker 1: him of what would happen if I would use my sword.
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  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. No, I walk up. I do not believe
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  Speaker 1: in your sword. Do you believe now or shall I
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  Speaker 1: cut you some more? Here's the other problem with that.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what they're saying. You can't bring the Bible to
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  Speaker 1: bear on this argument because you cannot force your religious beliefs.
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  Speaker 2: On other people.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: Let's analyze that a couple of different ways.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, you're saying that people who really believe their
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  Speaker 1: religion have no place in our society. I reject that premise. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: you are saying that it is wrong for me to
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  Speaker 1: try to force my beliefs on you when in fact
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  Speaker 1: you are trying to force your beliefs on me.
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  Speaker 2: I reject that premise.
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  Speaker 1: Thirdly, you're actually arguing that I should be loving and
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  Speaker 1: kind and accepting toward you, which you get from my Bible,
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  Speaker 1: but don't acknowledge. So what you're basically saying is, you
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  Speaker 1: believe your Bible, therefore you don't belong in the discussion.
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  Speaker 1: I'm making an argument for things that are found in
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  Speaker 1: your Bible, but because I don't believe your Bible, I should.
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  Speaker 2: Be listened to.
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  Speaker 1: That dog won't hunt. We can't allow that, folks. And
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: then finally there's this one. There's this one. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: say this and I'll be done. Here's the last issue.
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  Speaker 1: This issue of, yeah, will you pick and choose? You
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  Speaker 1: run all over to Leviticus and these other places and
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  Speaker 1: you talk about an abomination. But then, you know, you'll
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  Speaker 1: eat shellfish and, you know, and you'll cut the edges
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  Speaker 1: of your beards and you'll sow different seeds in your fields.
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  Speaker 1: And certainly, anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody heard this?
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  Speaker 2: Anybody heard this? And then for most Christians, they just
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: start going, well, ah, ah, ah, ah. Let me help you.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, when they bring this up, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things to keep in mind. The first thing to
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: keep in mind is this. that if you want to
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: go back to Leviticus 18, one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: you'll find is the proper treatment of your neighbor. And
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: one of the things that you're arguing for in our
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  Speaker 1: discussion is that I treat you properly as my neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: which is found in Leviticus 18. But you also don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that homosexuality is wrong, which is also found in
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  Speaker 1: Leviticus 18. So before I answer your question, the first
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  Speaker 1: thing I want to show you is that you are
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  Speaker 1: picking and choosing from Leviticus 18 just like I am.
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  Speaker 1: But the difference is I know I'm picking and choosing
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  Speaker 1: and I know why. There are three types of laws
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  Speaker 1: in the Bible. There is moral law that is forever
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  Speaker 1: binding on all people in all places in all times.
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  Speaker 1: We have this summarized for us in the Ten Commandments.
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  Speaker 2: There are also civil laws.
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  Speaker 1: These civil laws were for the nation of Israel as
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  Speaker 1: a nation in the ancient Near East.
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  Speaker 2: These laws expired with.
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  Speaker 1: The nation of Israel, but they are still of general
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  Speaker 1: equity because they're based on those moral laws. Thirdly, we
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  Speaker 1: had the ceremonial laws. These ceremonial laws were laws that
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  Speaker 1: were designed to do two things. Number one, identify Israel
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  Speaker 1: as God's unique people, worshiping him uniquely in their context.
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  Speaker 1: And secondly, to point forward to the person and work
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  Speaker 1: of Christ. So when you talk about cutting the edge
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  Speaker 1: of the beard... You're actually talking about ceremonial law and
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  Speaker 1: Israel not being like the nations around them. When you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about their dietary laws, you're talking about Israel not
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  Speaker 1: being like the nations around them. When you talk about
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  Speaker 1: civil laws, you are right. We are not bound by
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  Speaker 1: those as they are, but they are of general equity.
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  Speaker 1: This is why in our own laws, we refer to
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  Speaker 1: things like negligent homicide, which in Leviticus would say, if
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  Speaker 1: your ox gores someone, you're accountable for what your ox
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  Speaker 1: has done. You don't have an ox, but you have
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  Speaker 1: other things that can hurt people. So we still have
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  Speaker 1: that same principle, which is based on our upholding of
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  Speaker 1: the sixth commandment. So the reason I pick and choose
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  Speaker 1: from the Old Testament is It's because number one, New
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  Speaker 1: Testament writers do that and teach me how to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, Christ has come and we are under the
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  Speaker 1: new covenant. However, he has fulfilled the whole law and
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  Speaker 1: he has actually enabled me to keep the moral law.
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  Speaker 1: The moral law hasn't gone anywhere. So it is still wrong.
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  Speaker 2: For you to murder me or me to murder you.
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  Speaker 1: It is still wrong to commit adultery. It is still
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  Speaker 1: wrong to steal. All of these things remain. So it
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  Speaker 1: is because I understand how the Bible is written and
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  Speaker 1: I use the Bible carefully that I don't just pick
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  Speaker 1: and choose according to what I like, which is the
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  Speaker 1: exact opposite of what you are doing.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a better question for you.
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  Speaker 1: You wanted to know why I pick and choose certain
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  Speaker 1: parts of the Bible. I can explain it to you
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  Speaker 1: in painstaking detail, and it gets to an authority that's
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  Speaker 1: higher than me. But what I want to know is this.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that you get to pick and choose
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  Speaker 1: from the Bible, and you don't know why, and you
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  Speaker 1: don't know how, and whatever you choose is what you
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  Speaker 1: happen to want at the moment? And what's better for
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: our society? People who decide what's right based upon what
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  Speaker 1: they want at the moment? Or people who understand and
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  Speaker 1: recognize that there is a law higher than themselves and
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  Speaker 1: who submit and subject themselves to that law. You answer
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  Speaker 1: that for me and then we can go back to
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  Speaker 1: our discussion on same-sex marriage.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, there's much more that.
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  Speaker 1: Can be said on this. We've covered what I want
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  Speaker 1: to cover in this. I hope you understand a few
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  Speaker 1: things here, and I know it went very quickly. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you understand that this is a Genesis issue. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you understand that, that this is a question of origins.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you understand that this is an educational issue.
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  Speaker 1: You understand that desensitizing and jamming and conversion and that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: this propaganda campaign is rooted and grounded in and not
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  Speaker 1: only the media, but also in education. I hope you
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: get this. I hope you understand this. Thirdly, I hope
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  Speaker 1: you understand that the arguments that are being made in
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: favor of same-sex marriage are actually illogical, unfounded arguments that can, should,
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  Speaker 1: and must be refuted by us as believers. And then finally,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I hope you understand that ultimately what this is about
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  Speaker 1: is not just getting our way politically. This is ultimately
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  Speaker 1: about us seeing our neighbor in a house that's on
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  Speaker 1: fire and us loving him enough to not only say
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  Speaker 1: get out, but if necessary, go get him and drag
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  Speaker 1: him out.
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  Speaker 2: That's what love does. So don't let anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Tell you that it's not loving if you stand flat-footed
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  Speaker 1: and speak the truth about this issue of homosexuality.
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  Speaker 2: What's not loving is to look someone in.
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  Speaker 1: The eye when God says they are in jeopardy of
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  Speaker 1: an eternity in hell and merely wink and nod at
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  Speaker 1: their sin because you're afraid of being called names.
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  Speaker 2: Speak the truth, saints. Amen.