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- 0:09Speaker 1: Forensic science begins at the end of someone else's story,
- 0:16Speaker 1: scrutinizing a violent moment in time, samples are collected and
- 0:23Speaker 1: preserved the scene. Exhaustively photographed evidence prepared for forensic experts
- 0:32Speaker 1: to examine. Television and movies fuel blind faith in the
- 0:38Speaker 1: power of crime scene investigations or CSI. But since the
- 0:44Speaker 1: emergence of DNA analysis, a disturbing trend has emerged. DNA
- 0:51Speaker 1: pulled from evidence that spent decades gathering dust, has revealed
- 0:55Speaker 1: a surprising number of wrongful convictions. In fact, in hundreds
- 1:01Speaker 1: of exoneration cases, DNA did more free the innocent. It
- 1:06Speaker 1: proved that the forensic evidence that convicted them was wrong.
- 1:11Speaker 1: It's time to put CSI on trial to find out
- 1:15Speaker 1: what's real science, what has scientific potentially, and what's just junk.
- 1:22Speaker 1: The stakes couldn't be higher.
- 1:25Speaker 2: They accused me of showing utter disregard to human life, and.
- 1:36Speaker 3: That is when the nightmare started.
- 1:53Speaker 1: On the morning of October sixteenth, nineteen ninety five, in Wannakee, Wisconsin,
- 1:58Speaker 1: young mom Audrey Edmonds was starting another busy week. Audrey
- 2:08Speaker 1: was running a daycare out of her home, and just
- 2:11Speaker 1: before seven thirty am, her first child arrived photo. Seven
- 2:17Speaker 1: month old Natalie was a fussy baby, and this day
- 2:20Speaker 1: was no exception. Baby Natalie had been ill since the
- 2:25Speaker 1: night before, and Audrey tried to calm her with a bottle,
- 2:31Speaker 1: but Natalie's condition quickly deteriorated.
- 2:35Speaker 2: When the formula started coming out of her nose. I
- 2:37Speaker 2: instantly picked her up, held her, was patting her on
- 2:41Speaker 2: the back.
- 2:41Speaker 3: She was not responding.
- 2:43Speaker 2: That's when I went so quickly through the house out
- 2:47Speaker 2: to the front yard. I'm yelling and screaming at my
- 2:50Speaker 2: neighbor ladies to come help me. I'm holding her up,
- 2:55Speaker 2: trying to get her to be okay, thinking, you know,
- 2:58Speaker 2: a baby has.
- 2:59Speaker 4: Choked cane on one, I want to get you.
- 3:01Speaker 3: That's when I went in and called nine one one.
- 3:04Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I have a baby who's not breathing.
- 3:07Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.
- 3:10Speaker 5: You need to calm down and help her.
- 3:21Speaker 2: When that MedFlight helicopter arrives in my backyard, I'm thinking
- 3:25Speaker 2: they're simply going to get her breathing correctly, she's going
- 3:30Speaker 2: to go to the hospital for a checkup, and everything
- 3:32Speaker 2: is going to be fine.
- 3:36Speaker 3: And I was wrong.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Baby Natalie was pronounced dead at nine pm that night.
- 3:50Speaker 2: The Wannakee Glease came to my house that day. They
- 3:54Speaker 2: said this was just a normal investigation that they had
- 3:57Speaker 2: to go through as protocol. Just put her in the
- 4:00Speaker 2: They asked me some questions, she had a little bit,
- 4:03Speaker 2: they had to take pictures, and I just thought, Okay,
- 4:07Speaker 2: this is what happens. And then after a couple months,
- 4:16Speaker 2: shortly before I had had my third baby, I got
- 4:19Speaker 2: a call that the state was very strongly looking that
- 4:23Speaker 2: this was a homicide case and I would be charged
- 4:26Speaker 2: for it.
- 4:26Speaker 3: And I was just I was just devastated.
- 4:33Speaker 2: I could not figure out what they were even talking
- 4:36Speaker 2: about and why.
- 4:37Speaker 3: This was even being considered.
- 4:43Speaker 1: But according to police, baby Natalie's death was a clear
- 4:47Speaker 1: case of child abuse called shaken baby syndrome. Professor of
- 4:55Speaker 1: pediatrics at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, Howard Dubowitz,
- 5:01Speaker 1: has diagnosed and studied shaken baby syndrome.
- 5:05Speaker 6: When a child is say held by the trunk or
- 5:08Speaker 6: arms and roughly vigorously shaken, that head can really bob
- 5:14Speaker 6: around and move back and forth or sideways or rotate,
- 5:20Speaker 6: and it's that movement especially that makes them susceptible to
- 5:26Speaker 6: bleeding around the brain and to the brain being injured.
- 5:30Speaker 1: The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, and the World
- 5:35Speaker 1: Health Organization all describe shaken baby syndrome as a leading
- 5:39Speaker 1: cause of child abuse death.
- 5:42Speaker 7: Every single major medical organization in the world that deals
- 5:45Speaker 7: with this topic recognizes that this is a real thing
- 5:48Speaker 7: that children get shaken and abused, and these are the
- 5:49Speaker 7: injuries that we typically see in those cases. We have
- 5:52Speaker 7: decades of clinical experience to be able to tell us, like,
- 5:54Speaker 7: this is what happens to kids when they get shaken.
- 5:58Speaker 1: Ryan Steinbiegel is the director of the National Center on
- 6:02Speaker 1: Shaken Baby Syndrome.
- 6:04Speaker 7: We'll say anywhere between twelve hundred and fourteen hundred cases
- 6:07Speaker 7: per year that actually present to a hospital, but I
- 6:11Speaker 7: think there's actually many more.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Than that, and according to experts, Natalie exhibited all the
- 6:18Speaker 1: telltale signs of shaken baby syndrome, subdural hematoma or bleeding
- 6:24Speaker 1: on the brain, retinal hemorrhaging or bleeding in the back
- 6:30Speaker 1: of the eye, and brain swelling. Attorney Keith Findley was
- 6:39Speaker 1: involved in Audrey Edmund's defense.
- 6:42Speaker 8: The entire case against Audrey what has become known as
- 6:45Speaker 8: the triad. The doctors came in and said this baby
- 6:49Speaker 8: as subdural hematoma, retinal hemorrhaging, and cerebral edema brain swelling,
- 6:55Speaker 8: and they testified nothing can cause this except violence shaking.
- 7:00Speaker 1: The damage done to that child's brain is equivalent to
- 7:03Speaker 1: the damage done to a child who was in a
- 7:06Speaker 1: severe motor accident and dies. The prosecution contended that the
- 7:12Speaker 1: force required to produce the triad indicated clear intent.
- 7:18Speaker 8: A child injured by shaking in this way would have
- 7:22Speaker 8: to have suffered such severe force, such massive infliction of
- 7:26Speaker 8: force equivalent to the force generated by it, or fall
- 7:29Speaker 8: from a second or third floor, that no one could
- 7:32Speaker 8: administer that much shaking force without recognizing that it was
- 7:36Speaker 8: likely to harm or kill the child, and therefore has
- 7:40Speaker 8: had to have been done at least with recklessness.
- 7:44Speaker 1: It was Audrey's word that she cared for and comforted
- 7:48Speaker 1: Natalie against the triad.
- 7:51Speaker 2: Had done the best that I could try to get
- 7:54Speaker 2: her to stop this crying.
- 7:57Speaker 1: An expert after expert test that because the injuries were
- 8:02Speaker 1: so severe, they must have occurred shortly before Natalie's collapse.
- 8:09Speaker 7: It would be my opinion that it would be extremely
- 8:11Speaker 7: unlikely to almost impossible that there would be any period
- 8:14Speaker 7: of lucidity following those types of injuries.
- 8:17Speaker 2: It's my opinion that the injuries had to have occurred
- 8:20Speaker 2: between the time that this child was dropped.
- 8:22Speaker 7: Off of the daycare center by her parents and the
- 8:24Speaker 7: time that the officer responded.
- 8:28Speaker 1: All the evidence pointed to Audrey.
- 8:32Speaker 8: Forensic pathologist who had done the autopsy on the deceased child,
- 8:37Speaker 8: Doctor Robert Huntington, testified that because a child injured so
- 8:42Speaker 8: severely would suffer almost immediate collapse, or at least after
- 8:47Speaker 8: a very brief period of lucidity, it would have been
- 8:49Speaker 8: virtually inconceivable to him that this child was injured much
- 8:53Speaker 8: before the child was in Audrey's care, which helped pin
- 8:55Speaker 8: it on Audrey.
- 8:57Speaker 2: When I heard doctors at the trial talk about had
- 9:00Speaker 2: trauma in being equivalent to a fall from a two
- 9:03Speaker 2: story building, I just wanted to scream.
- 9:07Speaker 3: Common sense tells.
- 9:08Speaker 2: You that if a seven month old is falling from
- 9:10Speaker 2: a two story building, there's going to be skull fractures.
- 9:14Speaker 3: None of that was taken into consideration.
- 9:20Speaker 1: Dan Berkland, a father of young girls himself, sat on
- 9:24Speaker 1: the jury.
- 9:26Speaker 9: It was pretty cut and dry as far as just
- 9:29Speaker 9: with the facts. There was nothing else presented about Audrey
- 9:33Speaker 9: that came into play at all. It was totally just
- 9:36Speaker 9: the experts that had us to form this decision.
- 9:44Speaker 1: The jury deliberated for eight hours, and on November twenty sixth,
- 9:49Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Audrey Edmonds was found guilty of first
- 9:54Speaker 1: degree reckless homicide and sentenced to eighteen years in prison.
- 10:07Speaker 1: At Wisconsin's Center for Integrity and Forensic Sciences, Kate Judson
- 10:12Speaker 1: is an expert on shaken baby syndrome litigation.
- 10:16Speaker 10: There's no question that children should never be abused, and
- 10:19Speaker 10: the child abuse is a problem in our country. By
- 10:21Speaker 10: the same token, there's no question in my mind that
- 10:23Speaker 10: people are wrongfully accused.
- 10:25Speaker 8: No one is advocating shaking. No one is denying child
- 10:29Speaker 8: abuse exists. That's not the dispute. The dispute is about
- 10:34Speaker 8: whether shaking alone can cause serious enough injuries to cause
- 10:38Speaker 8: these brain injuries and death, or whether impact is required
- 10:42Speaker 8: as well. Can physicians tell the difference from the brain
- 10:47Speaker 8: injuries as to whether those injuries were sustained accidentally or intentionally.
- 10:52Speaker 8: Those are the disputes.
- 10:53Speaker 10: Nobody should violently shake a baby. It is abusive and
- 10:56Speaker 10: nobody should do it. But that's really different from saying
- 11:00Speaker 10: that when a child has intracranial bleeding that they must
- 11:05Speaker 10: have been shaken. Those are really different things.
- 11:09Speaker 1: For over three decades, biomechanical researchers have conducted experiments that
- 11:15Speaker 1: go to the heart of the shaken baby syndrome dispute.
- 11:19Speaker 1: Doctor Britney Coates leads the University of Utah's Head Trauma Lab,
- 11:24Speaker 1: where she designs biomechanical models to simulate the conditions of
- 11:29Speaker 1: head trauma and test the forces of impact.
- 11:33Speaker 11: One of the challenges with pediatric head trauma is, you know,
- 11:37Speaker 11: we can't directly measure forces and get these thresholds of injury.
- 11:42Speaker 1: Obviously, scientists can't test their theories by shaking an actual baby.
- 11:47Speaker 11: So instead we have all these workarounds. Right, we have
- 11:50Speaker 11: these Zurga dummies that we create and we shake them
- 11:53Speaker 11: to estimate the forces, or we do other experiments with
- 11:56Speaker 11: them to estimate the forces.
- 11:59Speaker 1: Also, the University of Utah doctor Ken Monson's expertise is
- 12:04Speaker 1: in what happens to the blood vessels in the brain
- 12:07Speaker 1: during a head impact.
- 12:10Speaker 12: Shaking baby syndrome was I think the right word is
- 12:14Speaker 12: hypothesized in right around nineteen seventy was an idea largely
- 12:20Speaker 12: based on experiments that had been conducted on primates in
- 12:24Speaker 12: the sixties, where Iyaba Maaya, who was an aurosurgeon, had
- 12:27Speaker 12: actually produced a whiplash type event in primates and had
- 12:33Speaker 12: shown without a significant head impact, that they could generate
- 12:38Speaker 12: bleeding on the brain.
- 12:41Speaker 1: Doctor Amaya's experiments were designed to mimic a rear end
- 12:44Speaker 1: car collision without head impact. His results caught the attention
- 12:49Speaker 1: of researchers studying infant brain injury. If whiplash could cause
- 12:54Speaker 1: brain injury, perhaps shaking could as well. Nineteen eighty seven,
- 13:01Speaker 1: researchers from the University of Pennsylvania set out to test
- 13:05Speaker 1: this hypothesis with a biomechanical model of a baby.
- 13:10Speaker 11: They created their own surrogate dummy had different necks on it,
- 13:14Speaker 11: so one was like a rubber hose two neck, another
- 13:17Speaker 11: was a hinge neck, and then they had some accelerometers,
- 13:20Speaker 11: which are measurement tools to measure how fast.
- 13:23Speaker 12: The head moves, and they just asked a group of
- 13:25Speaker 12: volunteers to grip the dummy by its torso and shake
- 13:28Speaker 12: it as hard as they could, and they found that
- 13:32Speaker 12: the shaking accelerations were far below any of those thresholds
- 13:36Speaker 12: for injury, like ten times lower than what would be
- 13:39Speaker 12: required to cause those injuries. So the conclusion of the
- 13:42Speaker 12: paper was, well, shaking can't cause these.
- 13:45Speaker 1: Injuries because a human can't produce the same level of
- 13:49Speaker 1: force as a crashing car.
- 13:52Speaker 11: The forces they were able to generate were so far
- 13:56Speaker 11: below the tolerances that they said that severe injury is
- 14:01Speaker 11: likely going to also have some kind of impact involved.
- 14:05Speaker 1: So essentially shaking alone can't cause the triad. Over the years,
- 14:12Speaker 1: the field of biomechanics has advanced, but the results are
- 14:16Speaker 1: the same.
- 14:18Speaker 12: Four or five studies have been conducted to repeat those
- 14:21Speaker 12: initial experiments with more advanced stummies, and the accelerations that
- 14:26Speaker 12: were measured associated with shaking have not really changed much.
- 14:31Speaker 11: We haven't been able in the biomechanics realm to recreate
- 14:34Speaker 11: severe injury. So I think it's created a lot of
- 14:37Speaker 11: kind of controversy because you have on one side clinicians
- 14:41Speaker 11: who have seen this constellation of injuries, but then you
- 14:44Speaker 11: have a lot of biomechanics people who said, well, the
- 14:46Speaker 11: forces are so low, how can they create those injuries.
- 14:51Speaker 1: Critics of the shaken baby hypothesis argue that impact and
- 14:56Speaker 1: undiagnosed medical conditions cause the triad and question many of
- 15:01Speaker 1: the assumptions that have sent thousands to prison. But back
- 15:07Speaker 1: in the late nineteen nineties, these discoveries were only beginning
- 15:11Speaker 1: to emerge from labs, and on February twentieth, nineteen ninety seven,
- 15:16Speaker 1: Audrey Edmonds was locked behind bars.
- 15:21Speaker 3: My third child, my baby, my youngest.
- 15:25Speaker 13: It was.
- 15:25Speaker 2: I was incarcerated two days after her first birthday, and
- 15:30Speaker 2: my second one was just over almost three, and my
- 15:34Speaker 2: oldest was in kindergarten.
- 15:37Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yep. That's a tough day.
- 15:42Speaker 1: Her eighteen year sentence meant she would miss their entire childhoods.
- 15:49Speaker 3: I try to let it.
- 15:51Speaker 2: Just fly through each year, but I mean, being locked
- 15:56Speaker 2: in a brick room with a stranger and a tin
- 15:59Speaker 2: toilet is nothing I can even fathom to this day.
- 16:04Speaker 3: I lived it, by the grace of God. I kept hope.
- 16:07Speaker 3: That's tough. That is very, very hard time.
- 16:16Speaker 1: Six years into Audrey's sentence, her husband filed for divorce.
- 16:22Speaker 1: Audrey tried to keep her hopes up even when none
- 16:25Speaker 1: of her appeals were successful. Then, after almost a decade
- 16:31Speaker 1: of hard time, she was given another chance. In two
- 16:38Speaker 1: thousand and six, Keith Findley was leading the Wisconsin Innocence Project.
- 16:44Speaker 8: The Innocence Project is one that focuses on representing people
- 16:49Speaker 8: who have viable claims of actual innocence, and it was
- 16:53Speaker 8: through that process that we received a request for assistance
- 16:57Speaker 8: to help Audrey Edmonds. Knew her attorneys very very well,
- 17:02Speaker 8: and I knew that they believed firmly in Audrey's actual innocence,
- 17:06Speaker 8: and we assigned students to it who began investigating to
- 17:09Speaker 8: determine if there might be some way to prove that
- 17:12Speaker 8: she was innocent. It was a bizarre kind of case
- 17:15Speaker 8: in that medical opinion evidence literally constituted the entirety of
- 17:20Speaker 8: the case, So that made it very clear that the
- 17:23Speaker 8: way to look into this would be to look at
- 17:26Speaker 8: the science.
- 17:33Speaker 1: Findley and his team scrutinized the testimony of experts like
- 17:37Speaker 1: pathologists doctor Huntington, who had been key to Audrey's original conviction.
- 17:43Speaker 8: At the trial. Doctor Huntington had testified that there was
- 17:48Speaker 8: a small contusion or small bruise on the child's head,
- 17:53Speaker 8: but it was so small that it couldn't have played
- 17:55Speaker 8: a significant part, and therefore the only thing that could
- 17:59Speaker 8: have caused this child's demise was violent shaking. Even though
- 18:04Speaker 8: Audrey was the most patient, gentle, kindest woman you could
- 18:08Speaker 8: ever meet, and even though she'd only had the child
- 18:10Speaker 8: in her care for forty five or fifty minutes when
- 18:13Speaker 8: the child collapsed. They built their case on those medical findings.
- 18:19Speaker 1: But while Audrey languished in prison, new scientific studies were emerging.
- 18:27Speaker 1: One directly challenged the medical arguments used against her. It
- 18:31Speaker 1: was written by doctor John Plunkett in two thousand and one.
- 18:36Speaker 10: He was a forensic pathologist who was frustrated by the
- 18:40Speaker 10: idea that kids with this constellation of findings often associated
- 18:44Speaker 10: with shaking, had to have been shaken. The study reviewed
- 18:48Speaker 10: cases in the Consumer Product Safety Database where children had
- 18:52Speaker 10: been injured fatally on playground equipment.
- 18:56Speaker 1: Plunket identified eighteen cases in which children died from accidental
- 19:01Speaker 1: falls on playgrounds. He reviewed all the medical records, autopsy reports,
- 19:08Speaker 1: scene photographs, and video of these tragic accidents, and.
- 19:14Speaker 10: What he found was that many of those children exhibited
- 19:18Speaker 10: the exact same symptoms as kids who would normally have
- 19:21Speaker 10: been diagnosed as having been shaken, and that some of
- 19:24Speaker 10: them experienced intervals of lucidity. They were walking and talking,
- 19:28Speaker 10: maybe they were eating, maybe they were interacting with others.
- 19:32Speaker 1: In other words, if baby Natalie's triad of symptoms were
- 19:36Speaker 1: caused by an injury, that injury could have occurred days
- 19:41Speaker 1: earlier and not while in Audrey's care. Plunkett's groundbreaking study
- 19:47Speaker 1: got the attention of the pathologist in Audrey's case, doctor Huntington.
- 19:52Speaker 8: He went back and did research and looked at the
- 19:55Speaker 8: literature and found that, in fact, the research literature was
- 19:57Speaker 8: beginning to show that what became known as lucid intervals
- 20:01Speaker 8: were real, that they can last hours, twenty four hours,
- 20:05Speaker 8: forty eight hours, seventy two hours, even longer. It could
- 20:08Speaker 8: have happened earlier, especially because this child was indeed fussy clingy,
- 20:13Speaker 8: hadn't fed properly the night before, all recognized signs of
- 20:17Speaker 8: brewing intracranial injury.
- 20:20Speaker 1: And then the unexpected happened.
- 20:23Speaker 8: We learned that doctor Robert Huntington had actually written a
- 20:27Speaker 8: letter to the Journal of the National Association of Medical Examiners,
- 20:31Speaker 8: in which he had said, basically, we used to think
- 20:34Speaker 8: we knew how to time these injuries and therefore how
- 20:37Speaker 8: to identify who did it. We were wrong, and so
- 20:41Speaker 8: our students called him up. Doctor Huntington, You know we
- 20:44Speaker 8: are representing Audrey Edmunds, and he immediately cut in and said,
- 20:48Speaker 8: oh goodness, Audrey Edmonds, what are we going to do
- 20:52Speaker 8: about Audrey Edmonds. At that point, he said, the whole
- 20:56Speaker 8: question about whether shaking can even cause these injuries, and
- 21:01Speaker 8: if so, whether it is the only mechanism, has become
- 21:04Speaker 8: so medically and scientifically fraught and contentious that he no
- 21:09Speaker 8: longer could even be sure that there was any shaking involved.
- 21:14Speaker 8: That was powerful, powerful evidence on Behff Audrey.
- 21:23Speaker 1: It took eleven years, but the world was about to
- 21:26Speaker 1: learn of Audrey's innocence that day.
- 21:30Speaker 2: I was working off grounds at minimum security, and I
- 21:34Speaker 2: knew nothing about it, and it had been all over
- 21:36Speaker 2: the news since noontime. So people are calling my kids,
- 21:40Speaker 2: They're calling my mom. Everybody knows. My mind was just
- 21:45Speaker 2: raising you guys. I just I still look at me.
- 21:48Speaker 2: I get goosebumps. I'm like, oh my gosh. I call
- 21:53Speaker 2: my kids.
- 21:54Speaker 13: They already know. They're like, Mommy, we hear this great news.
- 21:57Speaker 13: They're all on the phone with me taking turn. Mommy,
- 22:00Speaker 13: you finally get to get out of that prison. You're
- 22:03Speaker 13: no longer going to be in jail.
- 22:06Speaker 2: So then that Wednesday, when the snow was falling, and
- 22:11Speaker 2: twelve o'clock I had my hearing. It was your conviction
- 22:14Speaker 2: has been overturned. Oh, by the grace of God. It
- 22:17Speaker 2: was wonderful. I can't tell you how grateful I was
- 22:20Speaker 2: to hear all these doctors explain exactly, truthfully, scientifically that
- 22:27Speaker 2: nothing had happened in my care, that I was innocent.
- 22:30Speaker 3: There was no doubt about it.
- 22:33Speaker 1: When she was released, Audrey's daughters were twelve, fourteen, and
- 22:38Speaker 1: sixteen years old.
- 22:40Speaker 2: I could never try to make up for that time,
- 22:43Speaker 2: because you just can't. But you just enjoy and move forward.
- 22:51Speaker 1: She was ultimately exonerated of all charges.
- 22:57Speaker 8: It became the first case in the world in which
- 23:00Speaker 8: a shaken baby syndrome or abusive head trauma conviction was
- 23:04Speaker 8: overturned on the basis of new scientific evidence, challenging the
- 23:10Speaker 8: hypothesis upon which the prosecution rested.
- 23:15Speaker 1: But how did a scientific hypothesis send an innocent mom
- 23:19Speaker 1: to jail for eleven years? Some of it can be
- 23:25Speaker 1: traced back to the nineteen eighties, when many more mothers
- 23:29Speaker 1: were working outside the home. Daycare facilities proliferated, and the
- 23:35Speaker 1: guilt induced anxiety around leaving young children with people outside
- 23:40Speaker 1: their family triggered a kind of hysteria.
- 23:44Speaker 10: There was a lot of panic about mothers leaving their
- 23:46Speaker 10: children with other caregivers.
- 23:49Speaker 4: There was a lot of.
- 23:51Speaker 10: Panic about those caregivers. It captured the nation's attention.
- 23:57Speaker 1: At its height, the anxiety sparked of anhenomenon called Satanic panic.
- 24:07Speaker 1: Award winning investigative journalist Susan Goldsmith covers child abuse, the
- 24:13Speaker 1: foster system, and criminal justice.
- 24:17Speaker 14: People believed that there were clubs of Satanists operating.
- 24:23Speaker 3: In childcare settings.
- 24:26Speaker 14: Pediatricians went into court and said we saw physical signs
- 24:32Speaker 14: of pule abuse in these Satanic panic cases. It went
- 24:36Speaker 14: on for about a decade. There were many, many prosecutions.
- 24:41Speaker 14: People went to prison, people's lives were ruined.
- 24:45Speaker 1: The Satanic panic frenzy was ultimately debunked, but distrust of
- 24:50Speaker 1: daycare providers lingered.
- 24:53Speaker 14: What connects the two theories syndromes, whatever you want to
- 24:57Speaker 14: call them, between Satanic panic and shaken baby syndrome is
- 25:01Speaker 14: it involves a hysteria around children being harmed. You can
- 25:06Speaker 14: get very far with stuff that is not scientific and
- 25:11Speaker 14: credible when you make the allegation that children are being harmed.
- 25:19Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, the same year Audrey Edmonds was convicted.
- 25:23Speaker 1: Shaken baby became a household term when nanny Louise Woodward
- 25:28Speaker 1: was accused of shaking an eight month old infant to death.
- 25:33Speaker 10: In that case, there was a family who had two
- 25:36Speaker 10: young children and the youngest died unexpectedly with central haematoma,
- 25:41Speaker 10: renal hemorrhage, and brain smelling.
- 25:43Speaker 1: The same classic triad of symptoms that led to Audrey's conviction.
- 25:51Speaker 10: Parents were physicians, and they had hired a British au
- 25:54Speaker 10: pair to care for their kids, a young woman named
- 25:58Speaker 10: Louis Woodward. And because she was the one who called
- 26:00Speaker 10: me on one, because she was alone with the children
- 26:03Speaker 10: when the baby collapsed, she was immediately the suspect mtic.
- 26:09Speaker 1: Woodward was arrested and her trial was broadcast gavel to
- 26:13Speaker 1: gavel on court TV. Not due to shaking, No, I
- 26:16Speaker 1: see no evidence of shakings.
- 26:18Speaker 10: It was a very robust offense, and by many of
- 26:21Speaker 10: the same people who had been involved in sort of
- 26:24Speaker 10: the background of the shaken baby syndrom.
- 26:26Speaker 1: Hypothesis, including doctor Ayubamaya, whose whiplash study was used to
- 26:33Speaker 1: develop the shaken baby syndrome hypothesis. He testified that his
- 26:39Speaker 1: research had been misconstrued that the primates exposed to whiplash
- 26:44Speaker 1: inducing force all sustained neck injuries.
- 26:49Speaker 15: ES central part of shaking, if shaking is in place,
- 26:52Speaker 15: is damaged to the neck.
- 26:54Speaker 1: The baby in the Woodward case did not have an
- 26:57Speaker 1: injured neck, but doctor Patrick Barnes, a Harvard neuro radiologist,
- 27:04Speaker 1: maintained that the baby was shaken.
- 27:08Speaker 15: My opinion is if this is the classic picture of
- 27:12Speaker 15: the acute or hyper acute shaken impact head injury seen
- 27:18Speaker 15: with non accidental trauma.
- 27:21Speaker 1: The jury's verdict shocked the nation. On appeal, the charges
- 27:39Speaker 1: against Woodward were reduced. The judge didn't believe she acted
- 27:44Speaker 1: out of malice, and she served less than a year.
- 27:49Speaker 1: And in the years after the trial, doctor Barnes began
- 27:53Speaker 1: to question his own conclusions.
- 27:56Speaker 8: He began saying, what's the evidence base for this? And
- 28:00Speaker 8: that's when he concluded that the evidence base simply wasn't there.
- 28:04Speaker 10: Patrick Barnes began to dig into the science and really
- 28:09Speaker 10: came to the conclusion that his prior testimony had been incorrect,
- 28:12Speaker 10: that he was wrong, and he thereafter dedicated portion of
- 28:17Speaker 10: his career to righting those wrongs.
- 28:20Speaker 4: And it was really a turning point.
- 28:22Speaker 8: It takes a lot of moral courage to step up
- 28:24Speaker 8: and take a look at the developments in the science
- 28:28Speaker 8: and step forward and say, you know what I was wrong.
- 28:37Speaker 1: While some pediatric scholars were beginning to question the science,
- 28:41Speaker 1: proponents of the shaken baby hypothesis were expanding their reach.
- 28:47Speaker 7: We've got you know Brochure's pamphlet.
- 28:49Speaker 1: The National Center for Shaken Baby Syndrome was at the
- 28:53Speaker 1: forefront of this effort.
- 28:55Speaker 7: The National Center's been around since July of two thousand. Now,
- 28:59Speaker 7: this is a very specific subset of child abuse, but
- 29:02Speaker 7: it's also the most devastating form of child abuse.
- 29:06Speaker 1: Their period of Purple Crying Abuse Prevention program is implemented
- 29:11Speaker 1: in two thousand sites worldwide.
- 29:14Speaker 7: Well, this is a program that educates moms and dads
- 29:17Speaker 7: and other caregivers about infant crying, which has been shown
- 29:20Speaker 7: to be the number one trigger for shaking baby. Centerumbis
- 29:23Speaker 7: of fed trauma and how to respond to that crying
- 29:25Speaker 7: when you're feeling frustrated. They can shake the doll and
- 29:28Speaker 7: shows what's happening when it's baby shaking. How the next
- 29:31Speaker 7: movie in the hospital, there's like a bedside education that
- 29:35Speaker 7: takes place.
- 29:38Speaker 1: These advocacy efforts combined with medical training, have institutionalized shaken
- 29:44Speaker 1: baby syndrome as part of a physician's creed.
- 29:48Speaker 6: Most residents will get somewhere between maybe a week to
- 29:53Speaker 6: a month of training on this topic. So definitely it's
- 29:58Speaker 6: on everyone's radar screen, and medical students are well aware
- 30:04Speaker 6: that this is unfortunately a prevalent problem and that their
- 30:08Speaker 6: eyes and ears need to be open.
- 30:12Speaker 1: But critics point to a disconnect between what students are
- 30:16Speaker 1: taught and what biomechanical researchers have been unable to prove.
- 30:22Speaker 8: The hypothesis is perpetuated through medical training every day because
- 30:27Speaker 8: that's what medical students are still taught.
- 30:30Speaker 10: What's the most influential is that child abuse pediatrics has
- 30:33Speaker 10: become its own forward certified subspecialty, and many of the
- 30:38Speaker 10: people who originated these ideas and were really at the
- 30:43Speaker 10: forefront of prosecuting these cases are now training the next generation.
- 30:48Speaker 8: Of doctors, and so most physicians never have the opportunity
- 30:52Speaker 8: to look beyond what was in the textbooks, never question it,
- 30:56Speaker 8: and so it becomes sort of self perpetuating and continues
- 31:00Speaker 8: without any form of feedback to tell them whether they
- 31:02Speaker 8: were right or wrong. They could have been diagnosing it
- 31:04Speaker 8: wrong every single time for thirty years, and they would
- 31:07Speaker 8: never know it. Clinical judgment in this context is no
- 31:12Speaker 8: substitute for science.
- 31:15Speaker 1: But institutionalized practices resist change.
- 31:21Speaker 10: You know, I wonder how difficult it would be if
- 31:23Speaker 10: you devoted a serious chunk of your professional life to
- 31:27Speaker 10: stamping out this particular form of child abuse.
- 31:29Speaker 4: It might be very difficult to hear conflicting information.
- 31:33Speaker 8: And there's been an entire industry built up around it,
- 31:37Speaker 8: this whole entire subfield of child abuse pediatrics, and so
- 31:40Speaker 8: to all of a sudden reverse course, it's like trying
- 31:43Speaker 8: to use a rowboat to turn around a massive ship.
- 31:46Speaker 8: It's just this just enormous investment and inertia in this hypothesis.
- 31:56Speaker 1: Advocates like Steinbiegel argue that exaggerated me reports have created
- 32:01Speaker 1: a false controversy.
- 32:03Speaker 7: I don't think all the major medical organizations, the American Academy,
- 32:07Speaker 7: the CDC, World Health Organization, they all recognize that shake
- 32:11Speaker 7: and baby syndrome is a very real thing. I think
- 32:13Speaker 7: the controversy comes from the fact that in the media
- 32:17Speaker 7: it gets reported. You've seen the articles in the Washington
- 32:21Speaker 7: Post or the New York Times that make claims that
- 32:24Speaker 7: the science is in question, or that there's new science,
- 32:26Speaker 7: or the science is changing. It's absolutely not the case.
- 32:30Speaker 6: A tiny minority sometimes people with fancy titles at top institutions,
- 32:37Speaker 6: are in that small camp of what has been termed denialists,
- 32:42Speaker 6: and this presents I think a serious problem for us.
- 32:48Speaker 1: The concern is that denying the shaken baby hypothesis will
- 32:53Speaker 1: make it harder to protect children. In two thousand and four,
- 33:00Speaker 1: investigative journalist Susan Goldsmith produced a documentary about the shaken
- 33:05Speaker 1: baby hypothesis. The film generated a storm of backlash.
- 33:13Speaker 14: The effort to discredit those who challenge this theory. There
- 33:18Speaker 14: isn't an attempt to destroy them, to call them child
- 33:22Speaker 14: abuse deniers. They've had seminars where they compare questioning shaken
- 33:29Speaker 14: baby syndrome to being a Holocaust denier and being a
- 33:33Speaker 14: climate change denier.
- 33:35Speaker 1: The National Center on Shaken Baby Syndrome threatened to sue
- 33:39Speaker 1: Goldsmith and film festivals that screened her film.
- 33:43Speaker 14: I myself was called a child abuse denier, and it
- 33:48Speaker 14: was most absurd in my case because as a journalist
- 33:51Speaker 14: I've written about child abuse and gotten state laws passed
- 33:55Speaker 14: to help children in foster care, so it wasn't so
- 33:59Speaker 14: easy to write me off as a child abuse denier,
- 34:02Speaker 14: although they tried.
- 34:05Speaker 8: Child abuse. Pediatricians are not pure objective scientists. Their child advocates,
- 34:12Speaker 8: which is wonderful we want child advocates, but child advocates
- 34:17Speaker 8: are not well positioned to objectively assess the science because
- 34:22Speaker 8: their perspective is our job is to protect the children,
- 34:26Speaker 8: and when in doubt, we will always err on the
- 34:29Speaker 8: side of the child. In other words, if in doubt
- 34:33Speaker 8: they are going to presume child abuse, we hear.
- 34:37Speaker 10: That's so often in child abuse cases, so we just
- 34:39Speaker 10: want to err on the side of the child. But
- 34:41Speaker 10: the truth is you can if you say that someone
- 34:43Speaker 10: who was abused who wasn't, then their group to potentially
- 34:47Speaker 10: miss their medical problem, or separate them from people who
- 34:50Speaker 10: love them, or disrupt their family life. And what studies
- 34:53Speaker 10: have shown is that separation of a family, even briefly,
- 34:58Speaker 10: it causes lasting trauma.
- 35:00Speaker 1: Doctor Patrick Barnes's new research showed that the triad of
- 35:03Speaker 1: symptoms could be explained by other medical problems, problems that
- 35:08Speaker 1: would go untreated if the doctor misdiagnosed shaken baby syndrome,
- 35:13Speaker 1: problems that could have been the source of baby Natalie's
- 35:16Speaker 1: unexplained brain injury and tragic death. By two thousand and nine,
- 35:22Speaker 1: the science finally started to break through. The American Academy
- 35:26Speaker 1: of Pediatrics issued a policy statement addressing shaken baby.
- 35:31Speaker 10: They published a new position statement in which they started
- 35:34Speaker 10: to acknowledge some of the other possible causes, though they
- 35:38Speaker 10: downplayed them, you know, they really implied that they were
- 35:40Speaker 10: very rare.
- 35:42Speaker 8: They had to back off in subtle ways from some
- 35:45Speaker 8: of their original claims, and they changed the terminology, saying
- 35:49Speaker 8: we recommend no longer calling it shaken baby syndrome, but
- 35:51Speaker 8: rather calling it abusive head trauma.
- 35:58Speaker 1: Then in twenty sixteen, a decisive blow to the shaken
- 36:02Speaker 1: baby syndrome hypothesis came from a compelling study by the
- 36:06Speaker 1: Swedish government.
- 36:11Speaker 10: So there was a big supreme court case in Sweden
- 36:13Speaker 10: where the Supreme Court of Sweden reversed a conviction, and
- 36:16Speaker 10: so they did a big study and what they found
- 36:19Speaker 10: was the evidence supporting shaken baby syndrome diagnoses was of very.
- 36:23Speaker 4: Low or very low quality.
- 36:25Speaker 3: We look through.
- 36:26Speaker 8: Thousands of published medical articles, whittled it down to thirty
- 36:29Speaker 8: some that were really relevant, and of those they concluded
- 36:33Speaker 8: that something like twenty eight of the papers were of
- 36:37Speaker 8: low scientific quality, two were of medium scientific quality, and
- 36:44Speaker 8: zero were of high scientific quality.
- 36:49Speaker 10: A lot of us who work on wrongful convictions in
- 36:51Speaker 10: shaking baby syndrome cases were really hoping that the Swedish
- 36:55Speaker 10: study would make something change in this country.
- 37:00Speaker 4: Hasn't been the case.
- 37:03Speaker 1: Instead, there are more people like Audrey Edmonds accused of
- 37:07Speaker 1: shaking babies.
- 37:11Speaker 8: People are still being convicted because the mainstream pediatric community
- 37:15Speaker 8: still embraces the shaking baby center hypothesis and indeed has
- 37:19Speaker 8: become extremely defensive and reactionary in response to any criticisms
- 37:26Speaker 8: of the hypothesis, and so the prosecutions continued. Acquittals happen,
- 37:31Speaker 8: but so do many, many, many convictions.
- 37:35Speaker 1: And thousands remain incarcerated. Noel Quavado has been in prison
- 37:45Speaker 1: for eighteen years, convicted of a crime he says he
- 37:49Speaker 1: did not commit, shaking his eight month old son Alex
- 37:53Speaker 1: to death. Private investigator Sylvia Bassaja Katie believe Noel is innocent.
- 38:02Speaker 1: She has spent the last two years building a case
- 38:06Speaker 1: to overturn his conviction.
- 38:08Speaker 5: It was my first case involving shaken baby syndrome. I
- 38:13Speaker 5: just you know, went through an entire case file and
- 38:15Speaker 5: I realized, like, oh my god, this guy is in
- 38:17Speaker 5: prison for the crime he did not commit, like I
- 38:19Speaker 5: want to help him.
- 38:22Speaker 1: During the investigation, Noel and his wife were interrogated for
- 38:26Speaker 1: hours on end all without counsel.
- 38:30Speaker 5: He was interrogated three times and the third time they
- 38:35Speaker 5: kept asking like crazy questions.
- 38:37Speaker 3: So it was in the middle of the night.
- 38:41Speaker 9: Clara not.
- 38:47Speaker 5: Is the very last time to they interrogated him in
- 38:50Speaker 5: the room. They said, Okay, Noel, we believe you probably
- 38:54Speaker 5: didn't do anything to your baby, but then we think
- 38:57Speaker 5: your wife did. And he's like, no, my wife could
- 39:00Speaker 5: never do anything to our children. So well, if you
- 39:03Speaker 5: don't confess, she's gonna go to prison.
- 39:12Speaker 9: To speak, that is a game.
- 39:14Speaker 4: See a while.
- 39:17Speaker 16: Naa Lasa, I told him, I'm telling you the truth.
- 39:26Speaker 17: You don't believe me, and they tell me don and
- 39:30Speaker 17: then later the US your hands coming out and talk
- 39:33Speaker 17: to me and told me that look, man, if you
- 39:35Speaker 17: don't tell me what you digitally all the time, we
- 39:37Speaker 17: will take away your own the son and enjoy your
- 39:39Speaker 17: Why I'm going to jimp for her own time.
- 39:44Speaker 16: I've been telling you, I'll be I don't know your
- 39:47Speaker 16: home my mom.
- 39:48Speaker 17: I owe my mom.
- 39:53Speaker 1: But in a moment of desperation, Noel says he falsely confessed.
- 40:00Speaker 16: Then when I come up with the idea, they lie
- 40:02Speaker 16: to kill my wife breed so he give back.
- 40:07Speaker 2: But that want to lie.
- 40:10Speaker 5: He was young, he was scared because you know, you
- 40:12Speaker 5: are a young individual from different country and now you're
- 40:15Speaker 5: sitting in front of like police officers. Your son just died,
- 40:19Speaker 5: so you're scared of Fred. You're shocked, You're confused.
- 40:22Speaker 16: When I went more and more than I like saying
- 40:26Speaker 16: the I did it only to protect my wife. Didn't
- 40:29Speaker 16: get out and get our fun back.
- 40:33Speaker 17: I'm only one on my mother, not people are telling
- 40:36Speaker 17: me they want to take away my other.
- 40:39Speaker 7: Not only that, I mean, they are telling me that
- 40:41Speaker 7: they wanted more.
- 40:42Speaker 17: You know, me and my wife, because we don't want
- 40:46Speaker 17: for me. They con they didn't they look.
- 40:49Speaker 16: Man, I got to protect my mother.
- 40:53Speaker 4: That what I like them.
- 40:57Speaker 1: Eighteen years later, Noel Can continues to maintain his innocence.
- 41:03Speaker 5: The only thing I know that he is innocent. I
- 41:06Speaker 5: strongly believe he did not commit that crime. He did
- 41:09Speaker 5: not kill the baby. He did not want to kill
- 41:11Speaker 5: the baby.
- 41:13Speaker 1: But he was charged with first degree murder and sentenced
- 41:17Speaker 1: to thirty five years in prison. Noel is not alone.
- 41:28Speaker 1: False confessions in shaken baby syndrome cases are surprisingly common.
- 41:33Speaker 10: Of all the things that we know that make people
- 41:35Speaker 10: particularly vulnerable to giving a false confession, shaken baby syndrome
- 41:39Speaker 10: cases have many of those things. So people are often
- 41:43Speaker 10: extremely distraught when they're being interrogated by police because a
- 41:47Speaker 10: child has died in their care or has been seriously injured,
- 41:50Speaker 10: and you may feel feelings of guilt even if you
- 41:55Speaker 10: didn't do anything.
- 41:57Speaker 1: Police interrogations are often most aggressive in cases involving children.
- 42:03Speaker 10: And that often happens in these kinds of cases because
- 42:05Speaker 10: it is so shocking that you know, we're talking about
- 42:08Speaker 10: the murder of an infant.
- 42:09Speaker 4: It's shocking, it's upsetting.
- 42:13Speaker 1: Because shaking baby syndrome is still commonly accepted, interrogators assume
- 42:18Speaker 1: a crime has been committed and can present scenarios that
- 42:22Speaker 1: encourage false confessions.
- 42:44Speaker 17: So quarto to.
- 42:51Speaker 3: Yes yes.
- 43:03Speaker 10: When interrogators will ask the accused person or the suspect,
- 43:07Speaker 10: we know this had to have happened from trauma, right, tell.
- 43:10Speaker 4: Us what you did. Now, here's your choice.
- 43:14Speaker 8: Either you're a monster who went out to kill this child,
- 43:17Speaker 8: or to abuse this child, or you're a loving, kind,
- 43:21Speaker 8: caring caregiver who just understandably snapped in the moment and
- 43:25Speaker 8: shook the child. Now, which is it. That's the kind
- 43:28Speaker 8: of thing we see repeatedly in these interrogations.
- 43:33Speaker 1: False confessions play a role in the shaken baby saga
- 43:36Speaker 1: that extends far beyond the fate of a single individual.
- 43:41Speaker 10: When it became clear that the medical findings that were
- 43:45Speaker 10: associated with shaking are both unlikely to be caused by
- 43:48Speaker 10: shaking and.
- 43:48Speaker 4: Are more likely to be caused by other things, physicians.
- 43:51Speaker 10: Started to rely on the fact that people had confessed
- 43:53Speaker 10: to support the idea.
- 43:54Speaker 1: That these babies had been shaken, so cases like Noel's
- 43:59Speaker 1: reinforce the existence of shaken baby syndrome.
- 44:04Speaker 10: One of the reasons why doctors have said they continue
- 44:06Speaker 10: to rely on it is because people have confessed to it.
- 44:10Speaker 1: With a confession in hand, the police investigation is over.
- 44:17Speaker 10: If you look at the studies where they have analyzed
- 44:19Speaker 10: confessions to shaking, they don't do any of the background
- 44:24Speaker 10: that is necessary to know whether the confession is a
- 44:28Speaker 10: consistent with the facts of the case and be a
- 44:31Speaker 10: false or coerced confession.
- 44:34Speaker 1: A thorough investigation of Noel's background would have revealed a
- 44:38Speaker 1: history of family illness. Noel's own brother died in infancy,
- 44:44Speaker 1: and as his parents recall, his son Alex, also had
- 44:48Speaker 1: a history of health problems.
- 44:52Speaker 18: Quees comor ladeosca tamenazio in fermito nino it was.
- 45:00Speaker 9: Respiraar he is the.
- 45:04Speaker 18: Corientes whereones medico pero medical care do commento.
- 45:16Speaker 9: Kees And.
- 45:19Speaker 10: Often in these cases, especially these really complex medical ones,
- 45:23Speaker 10: it's a child who got sick.
- 45:25Speaker 4: And they had a complicated course. He was not a
- 45:29Speaker 4: healthy baby.
- 45:30Speaker 3: He had all kinds of problem.
- 45:31Speaker 5: I have like a huge pile of his medical records.
- 45:36Speaker 4: And it's just, in some ways a lot easier to
- 45:39Speaker 4: point a finger at a boogeyman. It's seductive.
- 45:42Speaker 10: It's a seductively simple answer for what is probably a
- 45:47Speaker 10: complex tragedy.
- 45:49Speaker 1: Noel's parents left their home in Mexico almost two decades
- 45:53Speaker 1: ago when their son was arrested. They came to support
- 45:58Speaker 1: him and to find him an attorney.
- 46:01Speaker 18: No sentimo malus ver jegando keiraic on musastadius is any presta.
- 46:27Speaker 10: It's so difficult because no matter how many resources an
- 46:30Speaker 10: individual has they don't have more resources.
- 46:34Speaker 1: Than the government, and those disparities are even more profound
- 46:38Speaker 1: when defendants are dealing with the effects of poverty and
- 46:41Speaker 1: racism and the only option for many is pro bono
- 46:47Speaker 1: legal assistance.
- 46:49Speaker 5: We found attorney for you, I told you, and he's
- 46:52Speaker 5: gonna work for pro bono. He's going to file executive clemency.
- 46:59Speaker 3: So okay, I don't want to give hopes, but I
- 47:03Speaker 3: want to. I want you to have this hope, and
- 47:05Speaker 3: I really really pray, you know, he will help us.
- 47:09Speaker 1: After eighteen years of heartache, Noel and his family have
- 47:13Speaker 1: renewed faith.
- 47:15Speaker 16: Yes, by my mom, and I just tell my mom,
- 47:17Speaker 16: I don't worry, don't cry, every It's gonna be fine.
- 47:20Speaker 16: I just want to take you some from here sometimes.
- 47:23Speaker 16: But I'm thinking and hoping that justice one day is
- 47:28Speaker 16: want to be with my side, you know, because I'm
- 47:32Speaker 16: a beauty.
- 47:33Speaker 17: I know what I'm a heart.
- 47:37Speaker 1: Audrey Edmonds knows this struggle all too well.
- 47:41Speaker 2: I see people that sat so many years longer than
- 47:44Speaker 2: me trying trying to get help, and nobody was helping them.
- 47:48Speaker 3: So I am very, very grateful that all the years
- 47:51Speaker 3: that I was in I constantly.
- 47:54Speaker 2: Had legal authority, and it was very, very frustrating for
- 47:57Speaker 2: all of my attorneys. It should have happened at least
- 48:00Speaker 2: eight years before that, and unfortunately the court systems do
- 48:05Speaker 2: not act like they are supposed to.
- 48:07Speaker 3: Which is very very sad, and it is a tragedy.
- 48:11Speaker 1: Writ large.
- 48:16Speaker 14: Do you tell often these stories one by one to
- 48:19Speaker 14: understand the issue, and people don't understand that's one of
- 48:25Speaker 14: hundreds and possibly thousands of people.
- 48:29Speaker 3: Who are in prison right now.
- 48:31Speaker 14: It's estimated that at least a thousand innocent people are
- 48:34Speaker 14: sitting in American prisons right now. For this, I have
- 48:41Speaker 14: a Google alert and I read every day about cases
- 48:45Speaker 14: being prosecuted around the country.
- 48:48Speaker 18: Of course, Sa Cabarel, Mundo, kumol Coasson, La Sala de
- 48:59Speaker 18: Los and Denzi.
- 49:05Speaker 4: That's very sinks.
- 49:17Speaker 1: The ripple effects of trauma run deep. Noel's wife has remarried,
- 49:23Speaker 1: he has lost contact with his older son, and faces
- 49:27Speaker 1: possible deportation if granted clemency. Audrey's three daughters grew up
- 49:36Speaker 1: without a mom, her marriage ended in divorce, and after
- 49:41Speaker 1: serving over a decade in prison, the state of Wisconsin
- 49:46Speaker 1: refused to grant her any compensation.
- 49:51Speaker 3: But the same.
- 49:51Speaker 1: Outlook that allowed her to survive prison keeps her going.
- 49:57Speaker 2: It's been twelve years, yeah, twelve years since I've been out,
- 50:01Speaker 2: so eleven in twelve.
- 50:03Speaker 3: That's a good feeling. One of my biggest hopes while
- 50:08Speaker 3: I was away was that with all this new.
- 50:10Speaker 2: Medical evidence coming to service and more and more people
- 50:13Speaker 2: working on these kind of cases, that it would help others.
- 50:20Speaker 2: The scar in my life will always be there, but
- 50:23Speaker 2: it fades and I am just trying to do my best.
- 50:28Speaker 2: I know I can't change the past, I cannot make
- 50:31Speaker 2: up for what I have been through, but I keep
- 50:34Speaker 2: moving forward. O