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Ep. 616: MeatEater Radio Live! A Bear-Doggy Door, Rut Report, and the Biggest Smallmouth · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia.
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  Speaker 2: The Meta podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
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  Speaker 3: Time on Thursday, October twenty fourth, and we're live from
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  Speaker 3: Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams,
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  Speaker 3: joined today by Brody Henderson and Seth Morris. We've got
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  Speaker 3: yet another great show for you today. We've got a
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  Speaker 3: rut report from the one and only Mark Kenyon. We've
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  Speaker 3: got one minute fishing, We're gonna do a little show
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  Speaker 3: and tell, and we've got another hot tip off. But
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  Speaker 3: before we get to all that, we're gonna talk to
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  Speaker 3: a man who built a doggy door for a bear.
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  Speaker 3: You like that, phil Is? She is just a great
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  Speaker 3: sent Brodie, Seth, how are you guys doing today? Fantastic
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  Speaker 3: getting a little excited for rifle opener here in.
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  Speaker 4: My t it's almost here, Saturday, very close, very close.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: And Brody, you just got out this pass.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even going out this weekend. We just
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  Speaker 5: got off the youth hunt and uh, four families, four groups.
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  Speaker 3: Of kids, six kids total, killed six bucks.
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  Speaker 4: In a day and a half.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive. That's cold killers out and that satiated
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  Speaker 3: your deer hunting bug for a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna hunt deer until till the ruck
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  Speaker 5: kicks in around here in mid November.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, that's a good feeling to have that freezer
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  Speaker 3: partially filled. Oh yeah, well you got a moose. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's like wave never mind. Yeah, your freezer is probably
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  Speaker 3: got a second one going.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, I'm not in any rush.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a quick reminder for our listeners. We are going
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  Speaker 3: to be doing a Q and a halfway through and
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  Speaker 3: then again at the end of the show. So if
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  Speaker 3: you got a question or a comment, or you want
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  Speaker 3: us to address whatever is on your mind, please feel
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  Speaker 3: free to drop that in the chat.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and on that note, we actually just got a
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  Speaker 6: really pertinent question from Bart. He's asking if does Brody
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  Speaker 6: know that he lost Trivia after the.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question, Bart Brody. A few weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago when Jannis hosted Trivia, there was a question about
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  Speaker 3: what's the what's the name of the what's the word?
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  Speaker 3: The term a certain type of hibernation that animals go through,
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  Speaker 3: and he was.
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  Speaker 7: Asking you, how was the reptile one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but it's also actually applies to amphibians, and
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  Speaker 3: so my answer of salamander was in fact correct, And
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  Speaker 3: so you and I should not have gone to the
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  Speaker 3: tiebreaker that you then won. So in fact I won
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  Speaker 3: that game.
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  Speaker 7: Right, you know, you got to win one once in
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  Speaker 7: a while, Bud.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, they delayed gratification is still gratification? All right, Well,
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  Speaker 3: we we are going to to turn now to our
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  Speaker 3: first guest, Kurt Siewe, who's coming to us live from
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  Speaker 3: North Vancouver, British Columbia. Kurt, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 8: Good morning guys, Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 8: Very good?
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  Speaker 3: Excellent? So, Kurt, you know a lot of us have
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  Speaker 3: had issues as homeowners with wildlife and all sorts of
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  Speaker 3: other creatures, but you have a particularly interesting example that
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  Speaker 3: you're going to share with us today. Can you tell
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  Speaker 3: us a little bit about the issue you had and
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  Speaker 3: how you solved it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, So the issue was we moved here ten years
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  Speaker 9: ago and the fence on either side was pretty old
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  Speaker 9: and it had these big holes on it. We weren't
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  Speaker 9: really sure why, so I patched them up. Within weeks
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  Speaker 9: we realized we're on a bear root and he just
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  Speaker 9: kept punching through the fence leading the holes. So he'd
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  Speaker 9: go through and break it, I'd fix it, so I
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  Speaker 9: just eventually stopped and left it open.
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  Speaker 5: Was this a black bear or grizzly bear?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, black bear.
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  Speaker 9: There's probably three or four that hang around the area,
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  Speaker 9: but there's this one big one that the last two years,
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  Speaker 9: he comes by consistently, probably two or three times a
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  Speaker 9: week from June to September.
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  Speaker 3: And this is just his route. He's claimed it.
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  Speaker 9: Well, we're on his route, and it wasn't a big deal.
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  Speaker 9: Like I had my night cameras where we'd watch it,
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  Speaker 9: we'd see him during the day sometimes. It wasn't a
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  Speaker 9: big deal until month ago we put in a new
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  Speaker 9: fence all the way down on the south side and
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  Speaker 9: eight foot seater. I think he can see the picture
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  Speaker 9: right now and if he either climb it or he'd
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  Speaker 9: go around right just. I didn't think he'd break it.
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  Speaker 9: But within two days, my wife and I were sitting
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  Speaker 9: watching Netflix, maybe seven pm, and we look over and
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  Speaker 9: I just see the sheet the pine boards just being
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  Speaker 9: punched out.
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  Speaker 10: I go run and out and he's out there just punching.
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  Speaker 8: The boards out. He didn't wreck anything.
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  Speaker 10: Which was fantastic, but you could see the picture.
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  Speaker 9: He knocked the whole panel out and then just went
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  Speaker 9: on his way, and I chased him up the driveway.
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  Speaker 9: He couldn't care less, And so we're on a route.
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  Speaker 9: He goes from the river, which he back onto up
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  Speaker 9: to the street and he goes through our yard.
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  Speaker 4: Gotcha, Kurt, is this bear messing with anything other than
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  Speaker 4: your fence or he's just just messing the fence up
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  Speaker 4: as he comes by.
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  Speaker 8: He just the fence.
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  Speaker 9: He wants food. Like I've got a dog, he doesn't bother.
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  Speaker 9: He's got kids, he doesn't bother I used to have chickens,
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  Speaker 9: he doesn't bother them.
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  Speaker 8: He's lazy, he's fat. He just wants food.
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  Speaker 9: And he wants bug him and he just goes on
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  Speaker 9: his way.
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  Speaker 3: So tell us about how you solved this issue.
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  Speaker 9: So I'm outside and I see the broken paddle, and
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  Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm not gonna just leave it open. I've
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  Speaker 9: got a new fence now, paid good money, So i
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  Speaker 9: just rapped a three foot by three foot opening for
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  Speaker 9: a couple of days. So yeah, there you see it now.
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  Speaker 9: And then I'm like, hey, but raccoon's every coyote is
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  Speaker 9: everything else my dog Faggor's kids can get through. I'm like,
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  Speaker 9: I don't want to just leave it open. So my
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  Speaker 9: wife's like, let's just let's put a doggy door or
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  Speaker 9: a cat door, but we'll make at a bear door.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm by no meat the carpenter handyman. So I'm like, well, okay,
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  Speaker 9: cool Saturday project. I go to Rona whatever from Depault,
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  Speaker 9: buy some hinges. Round one doesn't work at all, so
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  Speaker 9: that I just take a day off. A little frustrated
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  Speaker 9: that I grab some copper pipe, put it in and
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  Speaker 9: on the top, and then it starts to swing. And
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  Speaker 9: my buddy.
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  Speaker 10: Of mine, as a joke I was doing, he sends
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  Speaker 10: me the bear sign.
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  Speaker 8: So Amazon package shows up. I crack it open.
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  Speaker 10: It's this bear sign. I'm like, oh, what the hell?
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  Speaker 9: And it's it was him as a joke, because this
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  Speaker 9: whole thing is a joke. We're not thinking this is
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  Speaker 9: going to work.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So I put the.
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  Speaker 9: Bear sign on the door and I set my rol
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  Speaker 9: security camera up right above it on my house because
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  Speaker 9: this this is about ten feet from my front door,
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  Speaker 9: and well, those steeper works.
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  Speaker 10: It's a long shot.
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  Speaker 9: But we didn't expect anything to happen, and sure enough,
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  Speaker 9: like maybe ten days later, we catch the video of
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  Speaker 9: him going through and it's the coolest thing.
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  Speaker 3: Ever, and oh, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 9: So that's on my neighbor's side. Yeah, I put a
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  Speaker 9: camera on my neighbor's side too. So there's another video
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  Speaker 9: I don't I think I sent it is where he
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  Speaker 9: actually walks up and he taps on the on the
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  Speaker 9: bear sign to kind of test.
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  Speaker 8: It, and it's hilarious. So I get the video.
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  Speaker 9: It's like six in the morning when I get up,
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  Speaker 9: get the video and send it to my neighbor, who
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  Speaker 9: sends it to the Bear Society.
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  Speaker 10: Local Bear Society.
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  Speaker 9: Canadians are really nice, so we want to just make
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  Speaker 9: sure everybody's happy. And they posted on Instagram and it
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  Speaker 9: just explodes and I'm not on Instagram or TikTok. It
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  Speaker 9: explodes in the neighborhood, and then Global News calls me,
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  Speaker 9: they put me on TV to an interview, and then
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  Speaker 9: CBC News calls me. They posted on TikTok and Instagram.
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  Speaker 9: Within like four days, it's got over five million views.
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  Speaker 9: And then now I'm I'm asked being asked to talk
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  Speaker 9: about it on a regular.
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  Speaker 10: Basis and my kids and that are having a blast because.
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  Speaker 9: This is just a joke, and it's just it's gone viral.
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  Speaker 9: Their dad, who's almost fifty, has gone viral, and so
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  Speaker 9: we're all just Last Thursday, when we're at about nine
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  Speaker 9: hundred thousand views, my sister texts me, She's like, Kurt,
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  Speaker 9: you're at like nine hundred and fifty thousand views on
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  Speaker 9: this bear video of yours. So I start watching it
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  Speaker 9: and just refreshed, refreshed. My girls come home to school,
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  Speaker 9: it's getting closer to a million, closer to a million,
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  Speaker 9: and then across is a million views, and we start
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  Speaker 9: jumping around, hugging, celebrating, and then we're kind of like, now,
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  Speaker 9: what is Jimmy callon?
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  Speaker 10: Gonna call?
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  Speaker 8: Differently? Do we call someone? What should we do?
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  Speaker 9: And you know, we just have a total blast with it,
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  Speaker 9: and you know, my fifteen minutes of fame is almost over,
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  Speaker 9: and but we're we're riding this out.
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  Speaker 8: It's been really fun.
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  Speaker 3: That's great. So are any other have you seen any
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  Speaker 3: other bears or any other wildlife interested in using the
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  Speaker 3: door or is it just a big guy?
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  Speaker 9: So just the bear, A couple of dogs he tried
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  Speaker 9: it won't go through because even if they can't push it,
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  Speaker 9: they're going to get pinched. Probably some of the most
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  Speaker 9: fun is when I went on to TikTok hearing how
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  Speaker 9: the Americans.
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  Speaker 4: The bringing up with Kurt here.
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  Speaker 8: This guy is so awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, we lost you for just a second, you
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  Speaker 3: said the Americans, and then we lost you there. You
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  Speaker 3: could go anywhere you are with it.
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  Speaker 9: The options are endlest know the Americans the comments the
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  Speaker 9: Americans left versus the Canadians. The Canadians are all like, oh,
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  Speaker 9: this guy's so great, hugs and kisses, and I'm going
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  Speaker 9: to do that in my yard with my bear, and
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  Speaker 9: the the Americans are like, didn't this guy have a bullet?
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  Speaker 9: And this is like a typical Canadian, what doesn't he
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  Speaker 9: have any guns?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, it's an interesting sociological experiment.
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  Speaker 7: Typically in this situation, that bear would get a name.
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  Speaker 4: Have you have you named him yet?
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  Speaker 8: We mean of fat ass, just because.
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  Speaker 4: I love it. That's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Have you have you had any contact with the local
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  Speaker 3: Fish and Game agency or the wildlife managers in that area?
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  Speaker 3: What do they think of it?
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  Speaker 8: No, we haven't.
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  Speaker 9: But that's intentional on our parts because in North Vancouver,
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  Speaker 9: there's the two extremes. People will like leave food out
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  Speaker 9: because they want to see the bear. The other extreme
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  Speaker 9: as they call the conservation officer at like any whiff
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  Speaker 9: of a bear. And so we don't call, and we
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  Speaker 9: don't leave food out. So we're trying to just keep
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  Speaker 9: it quiet, like enjoy the fact that the bears.
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  Speaker 10: In our yard on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 6: So, no, we have a We've got a question from Trevor.
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  Speaker 6: He says he thinks you're pretty good with animals after
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  Speaker 6: this whole thing. Do you have a history with any
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  Speaker 6: animals or live stock?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Nice question.
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  Speaker 9: Uh, yes, I have a live stock. It's a lot
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  Speaker 9: of very good history. I'm glad my wife isn't here
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  Speaker 9: answered this. But I've had donkeys and goats in the past,
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  Speaker 9: but it didn't go well and we didn't have them
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  Speaker 9: very long.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not a farmer.
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  Speaker 3: And well, I mean, it's got to be real satisfying
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  Speaker 3: when you see the bear go through the door. Do
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  Speaker 3: you have do you have any other I mean a treehouse?
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  Speaker 3: What's next for you? You're just gonna enjoy the door for
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  Speaker 3: a little while.
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  Speaker 10: So this is the south side of our yard.
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  Speaker 9: The north side of my yard is also on this
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  Speaker 9: route and currently has a broken tense and so we
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  Speaker 9: we've booked a guy to.
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  Speaker 10: Come build us a new one on the north side.
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  Speaker 10: So I'm going to build a.
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  Speaker 9: Bear door on the north side as well, because he
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  Speaker 9: again he comes in from the north.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's on the south.
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  Speaker 10: I've got another door to build.
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  Speaker 4: Is this bear visiting every day pretty much? Is he
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  Speaker 4: pretty consistent?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, two to three times a week.
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  Speaker 9: And he I saw him this morning much further from
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  Speaker 9: my house, and anytime of day, he's just like today's
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  Speaker 9: garbage day where the bins are out, so he'll be
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  Speaker 9: walking up the street and knocking bins over and just
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  Speaker 9: again really slow, really laid back, just doing this thing
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  Speaker 9: looking for food.
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  Speaker 8: Doesn't bug any buddy.
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  Speaker 9: Some people freaked out, and others kind of just watch
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  Speaker 9: him and film him.
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  Speaker 4: He's just a nice Canadian bear, just in trouble south
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  Speaker 4: of the border.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm glad he's out there with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad he's up there with you guys.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: And then when your studio reached out, I wanted to
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  Speaker 9: make it clear like I'm not shooting this bear.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not going to put him up on my wall and.
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  Speaker 9: This is as long as we understand that. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 9: not a hunter of guns, but I'm no hunter.
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  Speaker 3: Very cool. Well, thank you for sharing your story with us, Kurt,
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  Speaker 3: and thanks for joining us today. And good luck to
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  Speaker 3: you with that bear. Fencing is expensive, so I hope
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't take any more panels out.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, thanks very much, guys.
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  Speaker 4: You all right?
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: Next, our next segment is the rut Report.
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  Speaker 6: Oh shoot, you know what, I totally forgot to make
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  Speaker 6: a drop for this.
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  Speaker 8: Are you?
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  Speaker 3: This is really randam It tells me to pause for sound.
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  Speaker 3: Well the thing here's the thing is actually go on.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually a really funny story because I just tail run.
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  Speaker 4: It's all ready here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna tell you I'm about the tracks you
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  Speaker 3: byecause your weapon kids, goodbye.
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  Speaker 4: Don't decide to desert you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I love that, nice randall I got Rickrolls nicely played,
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  Speaker 3: Phil nicely played.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: I lived my life on the internet like it's two
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  Speaker 6: thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 3: Don't we all?
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful?
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful time back then. The Red Report is where Mark
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: Kenyon gives a white tail hunting forecast for each region.
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  Speaker 3: Take it away, Mark.
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  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon. Here with wired Hunt coming at
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  Speaker 11: you with the RUT report for October twenty fourth, twenty
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  Speaker 11: twenty four. And as you can see, I am in
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  Speaker 11: my truck, just got out of the tree. Want to
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  Speaker 11: get you the latest report. And what I'm seeing out
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  Speaker 11: here today, what I've been hearing from folks across the country,
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  Speaker 11: is that things are about to get much better for
• 14:08
  Speaker 11: many of us across the country. The last seven days
• 14:10
  Speaker 11: or so have been pretty slow. There's been a very warm,
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  Speaker 11: stable period of weather, but that's about to change in
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  Speaker 11: the coming few days. There's a cold front moving across,
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  Speaker 11: at least to the northern half of the country, which
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  Speaker 11: is going to trigger more daylight activity. And that is
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  Speaker 11: all on top of the fact that as we enter
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  Speaker 11: the last week of October, bucks testosterone levels, at least
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  Speaker 11: for that northern two thirds of the nation, those testosterone
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  Speaker 11: levels are rising and we are nearing the peak of
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  Speaker 11: scraping activity. We are nearing the peak of those bucks
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  Speaker 11: feeling rambunctious and ready to go, but we still don't
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  Speaker 11: have very many, if any doughs ready to breathe. That's
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  Speaker 11: about to happen for much of the country here any
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  Speaker 11: day now, but maybe not quite yet. So those bucks
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  Speaker 11: are out there searching for that first dough. They are
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  Speaker 11: on the prowl, they're making scrapes. This is the peak
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  Speaker 11: of scraping activity the entire year. Likely they are becoming
• 15:02
  Speaker 11: more susceptible to calls, and they're absolutely moving more in daylight.
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  Speaker 11: In the South, that's gonna be a little bit different,
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  Speaker 11: as there's variable rut dates for many parts of the
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  Speaker 11: southern tier. But if you are north of the Mason
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  Speaker 11: Dixon line, for sure, the next seven to fourteen days
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  Speaker 11: it's going.
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  Speaker 4: To be exciting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: That gets me fired up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can feel my testosterone levels rising.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Our next segment is one Minute Fishing.
• 15:32
  Speaker 11: Do I feel lucky?
• 15:34
  Speaker 12: We'll do you punk, Go ahead, make my cast.
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  Speaker 3: One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
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  Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Chris Mcaluso, who's on Lake Poncha Train in Louisiana and
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: he is fishing for a donation to TRCP.
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  Speaker 4: Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 13: Cold On Fellas how are y'all?
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing fantastic. It looks like a beautiful day
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: up there.
• 16:10
  Speaker 10: Oh man, it is gorgeous.
• 16:12
  Speaker 13: You know, if I had to, you know, if I
• 16:15
  Speaker 13: had my brothers, it'd be about eight or ten degrees
• 16:18
  Speaker 13: cooler because it's warm down here for late October.
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  Speaker 10: But gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
• 16:22
  Speaker 13: Not a cloud in the sky, a little bit of
• 16:24
  Speaker 13: bee's blowing. Catching a fish here and there, not.
• 16:27
  Speaker 12: A bad day.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: What do you go for today? C mac?
• 16:31
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, just about anything that bites. That's the
• 16:34
  Speaker 13: cool thing about the Lake Ponta train area is it's
• 16:39
  Speaker 13: fresh water, it's salt water, it's brackis you know, it
• 16:42
  Speaker 13: could be just about anything. So just as an example,
• 16:45
  Speaker 13: we've caught large mouth, fast speckled trout, croaker. We haven't
• 16:52
  Speaker 13: caught a redfish yet, but we did catch a blue catfish.
• 16:55
  Speaker 13: We caught an alligator guard. But we've called a big
• 16:59
  Speaker 13: variety of fish. And the cool thing is this time
• 17:02
  Speaker 13: of year the fisher really key it in on shrimp.
• 17:05
  Speaker 13: The white shrimp start to come out of the marsh
• 17:08
  Speaker 13: this time of year, and uh, and that's what just
• 17:11
  Speaker 13: about everything in this base and eats, including the.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Bass and the catfish and everything like that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 13: So it's just always one of my favorite times a
• 17:20
  Speaker 13: year to be out on the water, especially in this area.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Lovely. What are you What are you rigged up? What's
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: your rig there, Chris?
• 17:30
  Speaker 13: Well, we we fished a variety of things. But as
• 17:33
  Speaker 13: I mentioned today, you know, as I mentioned earlier, the
• 17:36
  Speaker 13: fish are really keying in on shrimp. So I'm fishing
• 17:39
  Speaker 13: a voodoo shrimp, which is a plastic shrimp imitation bait.
• 17:44
  Speaker 13: I'll stick in front of the camera here.
• 17:45
  Speaker 12: Let's see if folks can see it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 13: Yah, voodoo shrimp about two and a half three feet
• 17:50
  Speaker 13: under a poppy. Fantastic And usually I'll fish that voodoo shrimp,
• 17:57
  Speaker 13: just not under the cork this time of the year,
• 17:59
  Speaker 13: just kind of relined it.
• 18:00
  Speaker 10: But things have slowed down a little bit.
• 18:02
  Speaker 13: Our tide quick moving about an hour ago, and the
• 18:05
  Speaker 13: fish really have stop more or less.
• 18:09
  Speaker 10: So, uh, I'm not.
• 18:11
  Speaker 13: All that uh optimistic about my one minute challenge.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't bode well for a sixty second contest here, Uh,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: louill let us know. Are you are you ready to
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: go for your for your one minute?
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I am ready to go.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: Man, Let's see we can make this happen.
• 18:30
  Speaker 13: All right, he's been a spot where I've caught I've
• 18:33
  Speaker 13: caught a couple of trout, and I've caught a couple
• 18:35
  Speaker 13: of catfishing here already. So let's see we get another
• 18:38
  Speaker 13: one to bit real quick.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: All righty well, we'll reel up and we will begin
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: our timer when you cast.
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: All right, here we go.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Here we go, Chris mclusa one minute fishing for trcp.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 18:59
  Speaker 13: I will spend it. Today's not really reflective of how
• 19:02
  Speaker 13: good the.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: Fishing has been.
• 19:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah, you guys, meat Eater crew was was all down
• 19:06
  Speaker 13: at yourris a couple of weeks ago. Uh, and I
• 19:09
  Speaker 13: was down there at the same time. And uh, I'm
• 19:13
  Speaker 13: hoping y'all's experience was similar to the one that I had,
• 19:16
  Speaker 13: where we just thought pretty much whatever.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: We wanted to to fight your stuff.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: So let's see what we can make happen here, Phil,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: how are we doing on time?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Got about twenty seconds left?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Twenty seconds on the clock.
• 19:31
  Speaker 13: Oh man, hop that cork poppin winny seconds.
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: The pressure.
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: I don't know if I could deal with the press fellas.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It'll be over soon, don't worry.
• 19:44
  Speaker 13: Oh, I just had a fight. Oh way, the court
• 19:48
  Speaker 13: went down and take straight back up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Oh oh, that's the time right there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: That's your time, sixty seconds. We'll have to get you
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: back on here. Ce mac Man.
• 19:58
  Speaker 13: I'd be happy to anytime. I mean, you know, I
• 20:01
  Speaker 13: will like to, you know, throwing a plug for TRCP.
• 20:04
  Speaker 13: I mean, we're doing so much good work in the
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: marine fishery space right now, in addition to all the
• 20:10
  Speaker 13: other great work that the organization's doing on public lands
• 20:13
  Speaker 13: and water and everything else.
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: That we work on.
• 20:16
  Speaker 13: But you know, we're really making some headway on forge
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: fish conservation, make it some headway on improving data collection
• 20:23
  Speaker 13: for federal fisheries, and doing a lot of good habitat
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: restoration advocacy, especially in Louisiana and up and down the
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: Mississippi River basin. So I'd be happy to join you
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: guys anytime to talk about any of that stuff.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, hopefully you won't catch too much flak on
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: the Monday morning leadership call for failing to secure that
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: five hundred dollars donation, but please know that you're welcome
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: back at any point.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: I don't suspect I'm gonna get a pink slip or anything,
• 20:54
  Speaker 13: but I appreciate the opportunity.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: But they did just catch you out fishing on a Thursday.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Well I look, I mean, oh no, he's gone time there.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Oh no, Oh, that's disappointing. I always enjoy a chance
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: to chat with my friend Chris there.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Phil.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Do we have any listener feedback for today, anything that
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: needs addressing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I've got a couple things here is these questions for
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: seth Oh. Are you planning to participate in any fishing
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: competitions with Chester in the near future? Thank you for
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: your answer.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'd like Now Chester's in Wisconsin, I'd
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: like to get back and fish with those top notch
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: fishermen in the Upper Midwest, so hopefully we can make
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: some tournaments happen in Wisconsin.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Does the competition aspect of it is that appealing to
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you or is it just another excuse to like get
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: out on the water X number of days this summer.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: It's pretty appealing. I'm not like a very competitive person,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: but when I was fishing those competitions here in Montana,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: it made the fishing just like that much more fun.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Get your blood, boy, yeah, you know, just trying to
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: especially when you're fishing against a bunch of really good fishermen. Yeah,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: it's like you just want to You just want to
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: do good. Just makes you fish harder, makes you fish smarter.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: That's how I feel every day I come in this office.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I just want to do good.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: This is a question for Randall. Yeah, it's from Matthew.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Has there been any interest or thought on an audiobook
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: on the history of Houndsman. Has this been a discussion
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: with Steve? There are groups in Texas trying to change
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: management from Mountain Lions and the stuff in Colorado.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, lots going on in the hound hunting and
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: mountain lion hunting world. We have not actually talked about
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: an audio book specifically on the history of Houndsman. We
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: are working right now on the Mountain Men audiobook, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: then we have a whole slate of audio projects, history
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: based audio projects coming out until I've you know, I'll
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: be forty one, I think by the point we do
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: all that. So if you don't know how old I am,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: that probably doesn't mean anything to you. Also means you
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: probably didn't watch the episode to host on my birthday.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, that would be a great topic. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that I can think of any resources
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: out there that I've encountered that would cover that history
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: specifically about hound hunting, but it's certainly a fascinating subject.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Sure, Troy asks that he loves the Meater movie review.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Has there ever been any discussion about book reviews on
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: the live show. I'll pipe in here first and I'll
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: say we we're probably not going to do books on
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: the live show, just because movies are a lot more
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: digestible and we can and more people can watch them
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: before we do the live show.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But the truth is, Troy, we have trouble getting people
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to read emails, much less works of fiction and non fiction.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: If you listen to the Mediater podcast occasionally we do
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: a segment called Steve Read's Books, so you don't have
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: to Those are usually books that you probably don't want
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: to read anyway, unless you're a guy like Steve, which hey,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: maybe you are. But yeah, maybe we'll do like a
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: more legitimate book reviews here.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate the love for the for the movie Club.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It's very fun. It's one of the highlights of my
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: professional life. So uh yeah, maybe we'll have to think
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: about books in the future.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: I saw another comment there for Montana Walleye tour in caps,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: just saying, oh, yeah, the people got to give the
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: people like the people want it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: It sounds like I'll write that down and we'll just
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: send that upstairs.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I can only speak for myself, but the
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: people want it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Great, keep sending in questions. We'll do this again at
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: the end of the show, and yeah, move it along here.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you Phil. Our next segment is Show and Tell.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Mania Show down, Man to show.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: It's been so brought a rock? What else did you spect?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry about that, just lost in the moment.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: It's that sin, it's that synthesizer. It's so rich.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's so rich.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It's like a hearty meal.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Just really quick.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Tyler says, thank god Spencer is in here with his rocks.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Oh I think we've got something much better than rocks
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: to share with you today, seth we do E're up first?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: What'd you bring in today for Show and Tell?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I over the years have been collecting shell casings, and
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I got a handful of them here.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: M hmm.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: These are my the ones that I have deemed to
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: be the more interesting ones that I've found over the years.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: So let's see where do I want to start. Let's
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: start with this one. This one is head stamped thirty
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Army super Speed. And this one I found in the deep,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: deep dark spot on the Rocky Mountain Front. Actually, me
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: and my buddy Rick Haunting. We're hunting way back in
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: there one day and almost got cliffed out in the spot,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: and we were kind of trying to pick our way
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: up through this really sketchy cliffy area and I threw
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: my foot up on a rock and heard some metal clinging,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: and I looked down and this rifle case he was
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: sitting there and just one, just one, And I don't like.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I just thought to myself, like, you know what, maybe
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: we're not the only people that got ourselves into this
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: shitty situation.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: That's that's the only place I like to find cigarette butts.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: It's just like in a really weird place in the woods.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The next one I got here is headstamped seven
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: point nine FS nineteen thirty nine, and it has TC
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: on it with the little uh. It's like the crescent
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: moon with the star. I really don't know a whole
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: lot about it. I've done some research and it looks
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: like it's Turkish ammo.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of those Eastern Bloc countries US use
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: those around.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I found this in Montana on the edge
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: of a meadow and there was about five of them
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: sitting there in a pile.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: So someone was either doing some target practice or some
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: bad hunting.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I think they. I think they they were shooting a
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: bowl and just yeah, you know, I wanted to get
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: just pump them until he's done type of thing. At
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: least that's what I think. Got another one here that
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: just says SL forty five, So Saint Louis Armory nineteen
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: forty five. This one I found lane right next to
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: a stone point oh wild in Montana.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: What what must have got a good hunting spot.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: That's thirty six, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. This one, from
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: my understanding, was brought home from World War Two for
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: my great grandfather. He fought fought in Battle of the Bulge.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: It's head stamped r A for Remilton Arms nineteen forty
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: three fifty BMG. And then this one is my favorite.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I have no clue what it is. It seems to
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: be like a big boar buffalo cartridge. Uh huh, no
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: head stamping at all. It just has a tiny little
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: pinhole in it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: So not a real not a modern, not a pocket.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: No, not a center fire.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: If anyone knows what this could be, please reach out.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Throw it in the chat.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: You haven't like figured out even what what caliber it is?
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Nope, which which one of these? It's that the one
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: on the left, one on the left there?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't have it's it's doesn't have
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: a it doesn't have like primer pocket. It doesn't have
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: a centerfire primer pocket.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I have no clue what it is.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Someone out there in the internet knows.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I found it in what would have been uh Crow
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: territory HM in Montana.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be an old so an old old cartridge.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hard to say what it is, but yeah, that's
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I found that when I was a little punting about
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: three years ago.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And the aggregate of your collection, how many do you
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: have at home? These are just the highlights.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Got a bucket I have about peanut butter jar ten
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: or twelve. I do have a jar of like shell
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: casings of either critters I've killed or just like random
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: ones I've found. But yeah, these are kind of the
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: cooler ones that I have.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks for bringing them in. Appreciate it, Brody. What
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: did you bring for us today?
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Well, Seth brought bullet cartridges and I brought guns.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: Mmmm.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: Guns that'll make you glad you have the guns you
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: can buy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Now we are living in the golden age.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: We'll start with this beauty here, which is a Model
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: sixty seven Winchester twenty two. This is my dad's first gun.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: I think he got it used, so he would have
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: got it like probably in the early fifties. It was
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: made probably in the forties, sold for like six bucks
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: back then, single shot Winchester twenty two. I shot a
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: lot of red squirrels with this, with this little sucker.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I like that the screw holding the barreled action into
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the stock is just a big thumbscrew.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, you don't.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: At some point my dad had a scope on here.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: I never had a scope, and it's actually got it
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: o'clock yep. But we had to make a rear sight
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: for it, which is like it's not well done. But man,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I shot it pretty well when I was a little kid.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And that's just like a single shot yep.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we do the old it's not loaded, folks.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: It looks like an old cock. Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: You pull that that spring back.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: That's safety.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and then you shouldn't shouldn't dry fire rim
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: fire guns. But yeah, that was It's a real safe
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: gun for a kid to learn on.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: That's cool, very cool.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Then my first like real deer rifle. I think I
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: started hunt hunting with. Uh, sorry, Karan, I was pointing
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: at at you.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: It looks like when you if you've drifted over here
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit, it looks like you're holding the muzzle
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: up to my head.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think I started saying a shot. But
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: this is my first real rifle, and it's a Winchester
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Model ninety four thirty thirty. Like millions of deer hunters
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: started out with a version of this rifle. This one
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: was made before nineteen eighty three, when Winchester went to
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: a side eject and angle eject. This this comes out
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: right out the top, right in your face, you know.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: If you're cranking awesome shots at running deer, which was common.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Back in the day, that's what happened.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: It's kind of a pain, really, And because it's a
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: topic jacked. You can see these old cheap scope mounts
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: that around her mount the scope offset, so you have
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: to like lean over to the side to look through
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: the scope. So yeah, it's a relic and uh, I'm
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: glad I still have it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Very cool man, that is, there's a lot of Pennsylvania
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: deer hunters that ran that same set up for many years.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I still want to I want to take it
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: out and kill something with it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Would be a great lion gun. Yeah, be a great
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: lion gun.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Well for for my show and tell today, I brought
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: this book. And this is a book that I got.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: It was in my grandfather's stuff. It's called The Gods
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Were Kind by William Willis and inside it is inscribed
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: to Biarna J. Moultou, who's my grandfather Norwegian? If you
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: are curious about the name. Who is chief mate on
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: the SS Kettarak, the last ship I served as a seaman, partner,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: friend and great shipmate with good wishes every good wish.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: William Willis nineteen fifty six. And I found this and
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't really know what it was. I'd never heard
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: of this guy. But it's the story of him sailing
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: alone with his parrot and his cat from South America
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to American Samoa on a raft made of seven balsa logs.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: So he went down to South America. He picked out
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: seven balsa trees. They cut him down, and then he
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: just went to Samoa at age sixty one.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: What's a nautical mind? What's the distance on that little salem?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Six seven hundred miles on a homemade raft, on a
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: homemade raft and then wild. The best part is he
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: after he wrote this book, and again this is just
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: like one of those characters he discovered after he wrote
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: this book. At the age of seventy one, he sailed
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: ten thousand miles from South America to Australia. And then
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: at age seventy four, he disappeared while trying to cross
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the Atlantic, the North Atlantic at age seventy four.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Two out of three ain't bad.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: No, not bad at all. They found his boat, he
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: was not on it, but they found his ship's log.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: So wow.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Interesting character. And this book has significance to me because
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: it's where I first learned that mahi mahi were also
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: called dolphin, because I was reading this book at like
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: twelve years old, and I was like, man, he's killing
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of dolphins. He's just He's like, I caught
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: some more dolphins. I saw some dolphins. I killed them.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I ate them so like, I started baiting some hooks
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: with dolphin heads and I just thought this was very,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: very strange, and so yeah, that opened my eyes to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: the nomenclature that we use for that fish. I have
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: another sort of silly show, and tell Phil if you'll
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: bring that picture up. This photo is the other thing
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I'd like to share with you guys. This week we
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: are recording Meet Eaters American History, volume two, about the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Mountain Men, and this photo was taken by yours truly
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday after a lunch of Thai food, and Steve
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: laid down and he attempted to use the helmet as
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a pillow, but the extuar of the helmet, he found
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the shell was too hard, so he thought, I wonder
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: if it feels good if I put my head in there,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: which he did, and then he proceeded to take a
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: ten minute catnap on this very carpeted floor. So please
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: know that we are hard at work on the next
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: volume of Mediat's American History. And Steve did say because
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: he ate a bunch of noodles, and he said, I thought,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: he's like I thought, marathon runners eat a bunch of noodles.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Before they run marathons. How do they do that? And
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I said, I think you're supposed to do it the
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: night before. They're not hawking down spaghetti like immediately before
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the race. So everybody learned something, alrighty. Our next segment
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: is a hot tip off. Hot tip Off time. Hot
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: tip off is where two members of the crew go
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: head to head with competing pieces of advice, and after
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Take it away, Phil.
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: Mark Kenyon, Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon, here for another hot
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: tip off. And here's my suggestion for you. Pay more
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: attention to tracks. If you are out there hunting white
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: tails trying to kill a buck, especially a mature buck,
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: it's really useful to know exactly what you're looking for
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: when you're trying to figure out is this a dough track,
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: is this a buck track? Is this a big old
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: mature buck track. The best way I found to learn
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: how to identify a mature buck track is to actually
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: get a real mature buck hoof and test it for yourself. Now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: this is obviously not a real mature buck hoof. I
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: don't have that, But what I have done in the
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: past is taken off the hoof of a mature buck
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: I've killed, and then go take it and press it
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: into the dirt, press it into mud, press it in
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: at different angles, go to different types of locations, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: see what that buck's hoof print actually looked like in
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: real life. And then you will know yourself this kind
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: of buck makes that kind of track. It's an incredible
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: and simple way to get better identifying mature buck tracks.
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: And you can do it if you kill at least
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: one mature buck in your life. Save that hoof, test
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: it out. See what a mature buck print looks like
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: in the rain, See what it looks like in a
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: dusty sandy soil. It's very interesting, very helpful.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Jason Philps, I'm Jason Phelps, and here's my hot tip
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: here in New Mexico archery all cutting. It's been getting
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: pretty windy in the evenings, you know, from about three
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to five, and one thing I wanted to share is
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: how I'm planning my evening hunts and even my morning
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: hunts is I will put a waypoint where I think
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: those elk a at and I will add wind to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that point so I can see what the active wind
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is doing. You know, for instance, right now, it's blowing
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: seven miles an hour out of the southwest. I then
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: add in what are the thermals doing? Is the sun
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: hitting that face the creek draws, is they're running water,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you know how the wind could be affecting it, And
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: then I will plan my approach that way. That way,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: there's no chance those elk are ever gonna you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: smell me. So yeah, I'm always looking at that wind.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'm checking when I get up in the morning before
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I go to an area. Maybe I have to, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: go to an area a different direction than then as
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the easiest direction. So add those waypoints, plan your hunts
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that way, and you're never gonna fool in elk's nose.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm always using this to make sure my approaches
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: are good as I'm calling my way into elk because
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I'm approaching elk, because I'm hunting elk just in general,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you know, even for rifle hunters that are still hunting,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: this is even more important.
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: At least I can hear these oaks.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: So that's my hot tip.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Use on ex waypoints in the wind feature, and I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna you know, and you find it very useful.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It's been pretty spot on this entire hunt.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Alrighty two hot tips there before you guys way in
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: and I hope you consider the uh the two tips
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: you've just heard. I saw perhaps what is my favorite
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: listener comment of all time here?
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Someone commented in regards to the mustache list Mark Kenyon,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: is this Marks a strange teenage son? Yes? Mark does
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: look quite young when he gets rid of his facial hair.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Michael also asked why we keep showing this little kid?
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: And does he have working papers?
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's a crying shame that, yeah, got rid of
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: his mustage.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know what labor law is in Michigan, but yeah,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: we could run into some hot water if we keep
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: showing Mark without his mustache.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: There.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Thank you both for those comments. That really made my day.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: All right, we have a lot of votes for Phelps already,
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: just just to get the get in front of.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: This all right, seth, what are your thoughts here?
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Well, not a very popular opinion around these parts, but
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I like whitetails more. Nelk, So I'm going with the
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: young boy Mark Kenyon.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: But is that I mean, are you considering the actual
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: utility of the.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Tip and knowing what a big whitetail track looks like
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: is very helpful.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, Brody.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I gotta go with felt because it's just applicable to
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: way more than elk.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: It's like, you know, name a big game.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Species and that tip is you can apply it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep. What I appreciated the most about Mark's tip
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: was I imagined him rolling around a golf bag with different
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: age hoofs in it because he's He's like, you want
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: to get a big buck hoof this this is just
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: this is another bucks.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I'll take the three and a half year old. I think.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't have exactly, Yeah, he's got he doesn't have
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that many big buck hoofs laying around. But yeah, I
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that. I have to agree, I think
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: with Brody and what seems to be the consensus of
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the audience here.
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: I like.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I like the tip from Phelps. I do think, uh,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: you know, a tip that you can carry with you
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: in any different situation just makes you Yeah, as a hunter.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Spot in stock, walk into a tree stand in the dark,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: like that tip will work. It's not just an elk
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: elk hunting you know.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Tip M hm. Uh, I guess you could do the
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: the white tail tip with Elk and you know, bear hunting.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: But it's a lot of weight to haul around.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, a little, a little bigger hoof.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah alrighty, So Phelps one, Phelps one. Congratulations to Jason Phelps.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: And he doesn't want anything.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: He can't make a donation.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Hey, no, we ran out of money because you just
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: got too many perfect games.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Oh I forgot about that, thanks Phil. Yeah, yeah, we had.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: We had quite an interesting day on Monday. This week,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: we'll have to tune into future Trivia episodes. Our next
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: guest today is Dante Perreno.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: He's coming to us live from Baldwinsville, New York, and
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Dante recently caught a state record smallmouth bass, but chose
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: to release it before the New York Department of Environmental
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Conservation could inspect the fish and verify the record. Dante,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: Hey guys, thanks for having me on.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: So, Dante, thanks for joining us. I understand you had
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: a pretty good day on the water about a month ago.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Can you tell us what you were doing that morning
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: and how things started out?
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so it was a New York bassination Federation tournament
• 42:59
  Speaker 14: out of August. So I was on the Saint Lawrence
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: and it runs about one hundred miles to the mouth
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: of the Lake Ontario, and it was probably like a
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: seventy five mile run to where I was going, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 14: it was an area that I wasn't really familiar with.
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: I just found it Friday morning before I was bringing
• 43:16
  Speaker 14: my grandfather a load of frozen walleye before the tournament
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: that weekend there. It was a shortened day Friday, but
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: I had to make sure he was taken care of.
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: And then, yeah, I was honestly pretty crazy. Rolled in
• 43:29
  Speaker 14: there and caught two small ones and I was debating
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: about leaving, and I was kind of waiting for the
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: lake to lay down a little bit and hooked into
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: that giant fish and that cut me around for pretty
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: much the rest of the day before I had to
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: make the run back.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit about the technique
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: you're using or the lower tackle or anything like that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: Yeah, So I was using garment live scope out in
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: about thirty feet and kind of just tracking him down
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: and there wasn't a lot of fish around, but I
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: was using a three eight ounce ned rigg heard with
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: Berkeley maxcent flat.
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: Nose minnow nice.
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: So it's real small, subtle presentation and just utilizing electronics
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: to find them and hunt them down. But I was
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: throwing it on a seven foot medium Fantasy's premiere Abu
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: Garcia with a revolt rocket.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I assume you knew you knew you had tied into
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: something pretty big when you hooked it, but like, what
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: was the reaction when you saw it next to the boat?
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I knew.
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: I thought it was like a six founder, Like I
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: knew it was like a good one. So it was fighting,
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: it was fighting hard and obviously was pretty heavy. And
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: then I was alone, didn't have a co English, so
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: I netted it myself. And then once I tried to
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: flop it in with like one arm with a net
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: and laid it down, and what a physit. I don't
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: know if you're familiar with fizzic some fish from deep water.
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: So I threw it on the live well lid and
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: then it was like covered up the whole live bult
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: lid and it was.
• 44:55
  Speaker 12: A it was a freak.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Could you explain the fizzing for folks that might not
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Are you familiar with it?
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: So I like to relate it to like if you
• 45:03
  Speaker 14: were to go swimming in a pool or swimming anywhere
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: and you go to try to swim to the bottom,
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: like you'll feel that pressure on your ears. Like it's
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: a similar thing with fish. They have an air bladder,
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: so whenever you you don't even have to really pull
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: them out of deep water, but essentially whenever a fish
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: comes up and change an elevation happens really quick, then
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: their air bladder will like puff up. You keep them
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: out of the water for like maybe more than a
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: minute to thirty seconds. So use like a little needle
• 45:29
  Speaker 14: with a plastic insert from New York's Barbelly. It makes
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: like the best one in my opinion. But you basically
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: prick the fish in this air bladder like four spine
• 45:38
  Speaker 14: over lined up with the anal poor just basically directly
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: behind their one fin, and you'll lay them in the
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: water in the live bulb kind of in your hand
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: and level them out and you'll release the air and
• 45:49
  Speaker 14: it'll bubble out. But you want to make sure you
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: prick it obviously in the right place, and you'll let
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: it bubble out and just kind of hold it in
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: your hands like this until the fish will right itself
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: and then once it writes itself, should be good to.
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: Live all day.
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: Because I caught that fish early, and that was my
• 46:04
  Speaker 14: first thing, was like I was thinking. I was like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 14: I keep this thing alive because it was early on
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: in the day and they had an eighty mile run
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: back into the hot summer day.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: And just so folks are clear, I know, like in
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Alaska you're required to pop the air bladder on some
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: of those fish before you release them. But this is
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: not required. You're just doing this. This is an extra
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: step you're taking to make sure that fish survives.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's true.
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: It's preached more and more in tournaments up here because
• 46:31
  Speaker 14: there's a lot of folks that fish tournaments on the
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: Saint Lawrence and more and more that are coming to
• 46:35
  Speaker 14: that aren't accustomed to catching deep small mouth or deep
• 46:38
  Speaker 14: fish wherever. Yeah, so try to preach that the best
• 46:41
  Speaker 14: we can to keep this fishery healthy.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. In Alaska, we're required to carry what's called a
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: deep release. Oh that's right. Yeah, that's what you Basically
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: they come up like you'll catch a rock fish comes up,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: the bladders hanging out of its mouth, eyes are all
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: puffed out and then you release, You basically send them
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: back to the bottom with a bunch of weight.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Yep, that's what I was thinking of. Yeah, I misspoke
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: the deeper least rig uh Dante. I mean, did you
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: did you know it was a small mouth the whole time?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Or were you curious at all?
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: What do I have on here? Are you just like
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: this is a big smally, just business as usual.
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: I was hoping it wasn't a drum, Like it crossed
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: through my head that it might be a drum, just
• 47:20
  Speaker 14: because it was like the way it was fighting, was
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: coming all the way to the boat and then swimming
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: all the way back down so you'll run into freshwater.
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: Drum or cheap had cheap said is what other people
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: call them. But I was pretty certain it was it
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: was a bass, just the way you could kind of
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: feel them shaking their head whenever you're fighting.
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: So usually the drums like a couple of real.
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: Long runs, but the pass tend to like, I don't know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 14: you can catch a lot of them and you're in
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: the zone. You can almost feel like they're the head
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: shape and it feels like a bass. But I was
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: just hoping that it was and it wasn't a drum basically.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: So you so then you kept fishing for the day.
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: So I was in points standing wise, it's like three
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: cumulative tournaments and they take the top six in the state,
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: and I was like behind in the stands. So I
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: needed to catch like twenty eight to thirty pounds in
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: order to make the top six. So I know as
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: soon as I caught that I need to catch like
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: four more minimum five pounders.
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: In order to even have a shot.
• 48:15
  Speaker 14: So it was just like visit it through the light,
• 48:18
  Speaker 14: bull checked like five minutes later to make sure it
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: was standing up straight and looked healthy as a whrse.
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: So just kept going throughout the day and it was
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: pretty pretty crazy day full of emotions.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: So the record has not crossed your mind yet, You're
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: just solely focused on that total at the end of
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: the day.
• 48:37
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I didn't even like once I voted it, Like
• 48:39
  Speaker 14: I didn't even really think about the record at all,
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: And not until I got all the way back to
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: weigh in and weighed it and then the scale at
• 48:46
  Speaker 14: nine even, and a few guys were like saying, I
• 48:48
  Speaker 14: call the DC, called the DC, and they're like, that's
• 48:50
  Speaker 14: a new state record. I knew it was an eight
• 48:53
  Speaker 14: and changed from Kyuga, but I didn't really.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: What what what is the existing state record?
• 49:00
  Speaker 14: So it was eight pounds and six ounces. But the
• 49:04
  Speaker 14: near DC did certify the one that I caught over
• 49:09
  Speaker 14: the last couple of weeks, I think if they've made
• 49:11
  Speaker 14: it official.
• 49:11
  Speaker 12: So I got them all.
• 49:12
  Speaker 14: The witnesses signatures, length, girth, and then all the scale
• 49:18
  Speaker 14: certification and calibration and everything that they needed to get official.
• 49:22
  Speaker 14: But yeah, like you said, I mean, whenever we called them,
• 49:25
  Speaker 14: they said that they didn't have an EOC officer that
• 49:28
  Speaker 14: could come on site. So they're like, you, if you
• 49:33
  Speaker 14: want the record officially, then you have to keep it,
• 49:35
  Speaker 14: put it on ice.
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll call the next day.
• 49:38
  Speaker 14: But like, we're not saying that you're gonna get it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 14: We're not saying you're not going to get it if
• 49:42
  Speaker 14: you release it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Sure, So so if you were to, if you would
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: have held onto that fish and killed it, you could
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: have been sort of guaranteed that this would get certified.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: But instead you you trusted that or at least you
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: wanted to release it enough that you'd rather the fish
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: survive and go through sort of through the more I
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: guess the less certain route of taking all those steps
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: to certify it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly.
• 50:08
  Speaker 14: I mean I didn't want to selfishly take that fish's
• 50:11
  Speaker 14: life over. I mean it had to bend twenty to
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: twenty five years old in order to get nine pounds.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: So wow, that's awesome. How did you end up that
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: day in the tournament?
• 50:20
  Speaker 14: I ended up when I had thirty one and change
• 50:23
  Speaker 14: thirty one point four I think was a total for
• 50:26
  Speaker 14: best five.
• 50:26
  Speaker 12: So I ended up taking it home and.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Then quite a day.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Congrats, I appreciate it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: So when you rolled up to the way and then
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: you should pulled that fish out, I mean, what was
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: the reaction from from the dock there?
• 50:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah, everyone was going crazy. I doesn't really expect in it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 14: And then like I turned around to like grab it
• 50:47
  Speaker 14: out of the bag and then hold it up, and
• 50:49
  Speaker 14: it was like, I don't know, twenty thirty people standing
• 50:52
  Speaker 14: there with all their phones out, like freaking out. So
• 50:54
  Speaker 14: it was it's kind of crazy.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And what was your what was your previous big
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: prior to that? Just like in your in your life
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: of fishing.
• 51:04
  Speaker 14: I caught a seven pound, two ounce one in July
• 51:08
  Speaker 14: practicing for the thousand Island open out of Kingston. Gotch
• 51:12
  Speaker 14: was that one was like old and the crap had
• 51:15
  Speaker 14: like definitely passed its prime. Yeah, this fit like healthy
• 51:19
  Speaker 14: and built. So this one was it looked a lot different.
• 51:23
  Speaker 14: But like in my whenever I got that seven pounder
• 51:25
  Speaker 14: of the boat, it was just like so old that
• 51:27
  Speaker 14: so many just beat up marks on it that it
• 51:29
  Speaker 14: looked almost looked bigger than this one. But this one
• 51:31
  Speaker 14: that just built with shoulders and had a crazy frame
• 51:35
  Speaker 14: on it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: So that's awesome.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: That is awesome.
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: So uh.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Are you So do you have more tournaments up ahead?
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: Then?
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's kind of all downhill from here.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Right with the a state record smally and a big day,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, what's what's next for you?
• 51:51
  Speaker 12: It's only gonna be hard to top that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 14: But I mean it ran into some unfortunate Look, last
• 51:56
  Speaker 14: weekend was the last tournament up on the river, and
• 52:00
  Speaker 14: and I had my lower unit go out, So I
• 52:01
  Speaker 14: was planning on doing the sixty second fish. Oh yeah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 14: it's a fish with you guys, But yeah, we'll get you.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: So we'll have to get you back on for that.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling you might be a competitive candidate.
• 52:18
  Speaker 14: When you guys messed me a few weeks ago, and
• 52:20
  Speaker 14: then last weekend it literally just went out. So I'm
• 52:22
  Speaker 14: gonna be down for a few weeks, but hopefully I'll
• 52:25
  Speaker 14: still be able to get out in November and just
• 52:27
  Speaker 14: catch some fish for fun because they're they're definitely plugging
• 52:30
  Speaker 14: that time of yere.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Nice well, Dante, We appreciate you coming on. It's an
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: awesome story. Congrats on the fish, and kudos to you
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: for releasing it. You know, it's it's it seems like
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a question in your mind, but you did
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: the right thing for that fish, and uh, it's just
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: a very cool story all around.
• 52:51
  Speaker 12: Thanks man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: We'll talk to you.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Thanks show.
• 52:57
  Speaker 12: Thanks man, have a good one.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: That's a fish guy that you can tell. Oh yeah,
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: fishy guy.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like he's he's a cool customer.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I would like to fish with him someday.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling he has a few spots he
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: could take us too.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Well, gang, I'm sorry to say, but that brings us
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: to the end of the show. Save for some listener comments, Phil,
• 53:21
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• 53:24
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• 53:26
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• 53:28
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• 53:30
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• 54:30
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• 54:32
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• 54:35
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• 54:37
  Speaker 4: By by by reminding you to turn on your notifications? Yeah?
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you got for a film?
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Docton asks Utah proposed change to the changes to the
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: rifle and muzzleloader hunts on my unit for the next
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: five years. They proposed open site rifles and traditional muzzleoaders, flintlock,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: et cetera. They want to increase deer herd's opinions.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not fall open site rifle and true, I think
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: it's just that they took away the option to use
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: a scope generally.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there are a couple of
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: different places across the West that are considering making some
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: changes to the legal technology. Yeah, it's it's a tough question.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: It's tough. It's tough to roll things back once guys
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: are using them and they're and they're used to them.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: But I think, you know, if that's what needs to
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: be done to conserve the resource, and that's what the
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: state or the managers think is most appropriate. It's kind
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: of hard to argue with it, but I'm just not
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: familiar enough with that particular proposal.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: It's like roll like you said, rolling back, kind of
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: like a traditional use pattern. Like I don't know, that's
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: hard man, Like I like, I'd rather see him cut
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: tag numbers.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm curious, is, like, have they is
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: it the case that they've cut tag numbers and they're
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: cut still and the and the shortened seasons and they
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: still don't if this is the last tool in the toolbox.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I guess I sure and understand it. But yeah, rolling
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: things back and taking things away.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: There's an argument to be made, like a serious argument
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: to be made against doing that, simply because you could
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: say you're less accurate, more wounded deer.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Always think about that when when you know it's it's
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: there's not a right answer, no, but like, yes, certain
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: technologies are more effective and for better or worse, like
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: that might lead to increased harvest, but it also probably
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: hopefully leads to less you know, wound laws.
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Brent is asking Randall, is it cheating if I
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: have to google the spelling of a meat eater crossword
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: ansle answer. It sucks to suck at spelling as someone
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: who just got dinged for a for a misspelled word
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: the other day.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would like to point out I I
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: appreciate the support and the YouTube comments. I did think
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: that crystalis should have counted if chrysalis is the answer,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: And I noticed that there are quite a few of
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you out there who agreed with me and I your
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: support is acknowledged and appreciated.
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: It was acknowledged by me as well as well, but
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: not as appreciated as much.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: I guess. I guess it depends on how you're googling
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: the spelling. That seems like a slippery slope. So you're
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: typing in the misspelled word to get the right word,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: or are you saying, like I'm trying to think of this.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Word, how do you spell?
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: Well, my opinion is that it's only going to slow
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: you down, and that's a longer time is going to
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: bring your score down. So by googling spelling, you're kind
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: of just you're shooting yourself in the knee.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: There and at a certain point it's just going to
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: cause you to not get the next.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Series of yeah. Correct.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: My general crossword philosophy is some days I will not
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: look at any hints and I won't flip over any tiles.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I mean not on the meat Eater crossword, of course,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: But like when I'm in the New York Times, some
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: days I hold myself very honest and accountables, and some
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: days I just want to have fun doing a crossboard
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: and so so you know, you're playing against yourself. It's
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: kind of like golf. So just you know, if you
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: have to wipe a stroke every now and then, I
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: don't think there's anything wrong with that, Seth.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: This is this is one a single question. But when
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: you were doing going over your show and tell stuff,
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: there was an ongoing conversation happening in the live chat
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: about what some of those rounds might be. Yeah, he's
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: giving you tips, but this is honestly, this is a question.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: But this is me Phil giving you a tip, Seth
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: to maybe revisit the live chat after the show. Yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: because there was some discussion happening that was over my head.
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, Ife, it won't be over you go through it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: I'll go through it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And this is for all of you. If each
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: of you could propose one very specific topic for an
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: upcoming book in the med Eater lineup?
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: What would your topic be?
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: And I'd say sky's the limit here, not like realistically,
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: like you personally, if you could pitch a book to
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: be published as a part of the mediat lineup, something
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: that really that you're really into.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Boy, Boy, that's tough. That is tough, because I have
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: a pile of books that need to be written, as
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: does Brody.
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got there's plenty of books in your future
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: coming from Meat Eater. I recently and I still would
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: like to see it happen. We a few years, several
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: years back, we did the hunting guide books, the Big
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: Game in small game hunting guide books. I one of
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: my recent pitches is doing a similar thing with fishing.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: But we were testing the waters to see if there's
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: a demand for it or not. So send us if
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: you want it, send us a message.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: As a photographer here at meat Eater, I wouldn't mind
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: seeing just a fantastically beautiful coffee table book.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Of which has been we pitched that up, all the
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: all the.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Photos that have been taken over the years here. Be
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: pretty cool.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't be cheap though, No, not, no glossy coffee table
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: books are, but it would be worth it.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, collectors.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Worth every penny, I think. Yeah, I think so even
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: if you could, you know, if you could get some
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: autograph copies, maybe do a limited release of Seth Morris
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: autograph copies.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: I like that idea.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I think my idea that's just come to me now.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: It's not something that I've been dreaming up, but I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: think it would be useful to have like a sort
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: of a reference and history about you know, public lands,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: the North American model, explaining different land management agencies and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: their history and sort of what their priorities are as
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: an agency, and just sort of giving people the vocabulary
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: and context to talk about policy that affects hunters and anglers,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: you know, in a way that's like conversational.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Like that's the challenge is to yeah.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Because you can get bogged down and like the the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: legally and the administrative and bureaucratic jargon. But obviously, like
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: there's no shortage of interest in that from our audience.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Like people love that stuff and they want to know
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: more and they want to be more involved. So I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: think like a sand dictionary or encyclopedia of conservation would be.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: I think it's like.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: Out being out here in the West, you're just like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: kind of automatically more burst in that stuff. Like I'm
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: sure there's a lot of like I didn't know what
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: in hell BLM was when I lived in Pennsylvania, right,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: So there's like a lot of things that a lot
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: of people from other parts of the country that could
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: they could learn a lot, you know.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no. I remember when I was when I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: was in college, I was finishing up and I really
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to go bear hunting, and I wanted to go
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: to Montana, and I wanted to go bear hunting in Montana.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: And I remember having this realization like National Forest, you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: can hunt on National Forest. And then I looked at
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: a map of Montana and saw the green on the map,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, of course I can go
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: shoot a bear there like practically half the state.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And but that was like a moment that opened my
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: eyes when I realized like that these lands are accessible
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: and opened all and opened to hunting because I was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: more familiar coming from the East or the Midwest with
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: you know, national parks and the more sort of hands
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: off public lands. So that's my that's my half cooked
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: book pitch, which maybe should be a new segment.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: Here Iron Hops asks if he should get Jack White
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: tickets tonight or banked his bank time for the rut
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: here in Wisconsin. The answer is Jack White tickets. Next question,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: Come on, Randall, this is your first time in the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: program since Louisiana. Oh, just like, get me a quick
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: fishing update, man.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Louisiana was a lot of fun, met a lot of
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: people from all around the country. Everybody had their own,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: like you know, personal passion hunting and fishing speaking, so
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: we got to like just talk to people about deer
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: hunting or pig hunting or whatever they did. But the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: fishing was fantastic. Every day we went out and kind
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: of had a different program, Like we fished different looking stuff,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: caught a bunch of different fish, different species. It was
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: consistent throughout the day, which is nice. Like you'd get
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: into him starting right out of the first thing in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: the morning, and then you'd be catching him up till lunchtime,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: and then you never know when you get a big
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: and yeah, we had some big black drum, some big
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: red fish.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: You kind of never know what you're gonna get.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: You never know what you're gonna get Yeah, we were
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: fishing this one redfish spot and we'd caught a couple
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: out of there, and then I hooked something that just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: went straight out into the gulf, like under the boat
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: and straight out to the gulf, just ripping line and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: popped off, and the guy it's like, oh, that was
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: a shark. And Steve cast in the same place like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: thirty seconds later and another struck grabbed it and he
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: actually boted that. But it was just like, yeah, I mean,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: coming from a place where you're either catching a trout
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: or a whitefish, you know, it's cool to be in
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: a real diverse fishery.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We caught a lot of different species.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: And then we went out on the dock and just
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: caught weird catfish. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: And there was big garb rolling right grolling.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: In a wild place, a lot of pelicans just like
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: a super cool birds. Skaters, skaters. Yeah, I loved it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, cool, cool place.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: And Michael we address this, addressed this at the top
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: of the show. He's asking about the trivia win being overturned.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Brody seems very unbothered by it. If he has bothered,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: he's hiding it very well.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think if you Michael, I think
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: if you look back at the last several episodes, you know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: I've like, I beat Randall a bunch, so I got
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: to give him a win here.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: It's true, you.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Know, that's all the time we had. I'm just joking.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: We can have a couple more questions.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: Oh no, anything good, Phil, I was gonna end it
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: there as well.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Sorry you want to end it on a low note, No,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: I'm really well, I guess it's a high note because
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: he's reminding us that I did win that game.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Gang, appreciate you tuning in. It's always a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: pleasure to do this and a lot of fun to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: read the chat. So signing off for Meat Eater Radio Live.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Howdios, see you next time.