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Olivier Melnick: The Rise Of Irrational ‘Antisemitism In The End Times’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey brothers and sisters in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in.
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Our guest Olivier Melnick is back with us and he's got a brand new book out.
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We'll get to in a few minutes but it's called anti-Semitism in the end times.
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Very important topic, in fact he, before we got on the podcast, said he didn't realize
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That's chalombinmasaya.com.
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Brother, thanks for your time today.
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Thank you for heading me again.
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always a pleasure being with you.
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Same here, pleasure's mine.
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Last time you were on, we teased the book,
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but now I've got it in hand.
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There it is, you got your copy too.
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I got my own copy.
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I'm thinking of sending one to myself.
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Okay, have you ever tried to buy your own book
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on Amazon just to see if it works?
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If everything works out.
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Yes, do you see how quickly I get it?
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Yes.
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I think a lot of authors do that.
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Well, let's start with the Indorcese
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because there's a lot of familiar names
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from the Kingdom of God, the remnant Jeff Kinley,
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Todd Hampson, Brandon Holthouse,
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Andy Woods, all friends of World View Matters,
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and also Tim Siegler.
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So a lot of people sent their recommendation
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at the very beginning of the book.
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So Brother Kudos again, I know how hard it is
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to put out a book, especially the content
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of this.
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It's so important.
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And let's just talk about, as you said,
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before we got on the podcast,
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you didn't think we'd be here
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where we are in 2025 with the state of antisemitism
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as it is, just your overall thoughts
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on where we're at, Olivier?
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No, I started on that journey in 2000.
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So it's going on almost 26 years now.
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And I remember people looking at me,
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like, you know, I've always been very conservative
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publicly, but they were looking at me going,
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like, Olivier, where are you going with this?
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Where I'm going is that from the Bible
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and from current events, I can tell you,
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things are going to get progressively worse
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for the Jewish people globally.
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And it's just not going to get better.
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It's going to get worse and worse and worse.
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And I've always believed that,
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but what I was not prepared for was to have to lift through it
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and to see the speed at which it's increasing,
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it's exponentially growing right now.
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And I would say probably, I think the end time's
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antisemitism, Pandora's Box was open on October 7, 2023.
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And everything changed.
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Everything changed.
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Not just for Israel and the Gaza Strip,
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but globally for Jews at that point.
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The Jews who look at the world events
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and are not seeing the danger of being Jewish
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anywhere in the world except for maybe in Israel,
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which is kind of ironic.
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Then they're not paying attention.
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Yeah.
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So tell us about the three sections of the book.
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I love the way you separated it all out.
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I'm looking at part two, a timeline of hatred.
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And that's basically antisemitism from the church fathers
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to the early middle ages.
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And then you've got the third section too.
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And you can tackle whatever you want, Olivier,
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and this abbreviated time that we have with you.
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But I love the third section,
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a new and more dangerous age of antisemitism.
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So share whatever you'd like on these sections of the book.
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Yeah, I start, like I always do when I write,
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I start with definitions.
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And because a lot of times, if we don't have
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an understanding of what we're talking about,
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there's a lot of confusion.
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I remember years ago I was in line in upstate New York
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going for like a boat ride.
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And I was at Arnold Fruchtenbaum's Shoshana Bible Camp.
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And we took the day off, and I was standing right
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behind an orthodox, an old man, maybe a rabbi.
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I'm not sure, but an orthodox in black.
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And we started to talk, and then, and I told him,
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he said, well, I'm a believer.
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And then he looks at me and he goes, oh, I'm a believer too.
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And I took it to mean he's a believer in Jesus,
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but that's not what he meant.
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He meant, I'm, you know, I believe in God.
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And so that ended up in a very awkward, uncomfortable
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conversation.
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So I learned from that years ago, please define your terms.
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So let me start by defining anti-Semitism for our audience
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who real quick here.
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Anti-Semitism is the irrational and demonic hatred
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of Israel and the Jewish people characterized
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by thoughts, words, and deeds against them.
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And so that's what I do.
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And I give more definitions in the first part of the book.
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Then I go through about 100 pages, which is about, you know,
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almost, it's a little almost a third, a little over a third
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of the book, really, of what I call historical anti-Semitism,
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you know, from the closing, well, from biblical times,
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even closing of the canon, from biblical times to the Holocaust.
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And because I think the Holocaust was another on the timeline.
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It was a marker on the timeline of anti-Semitism.
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And I show the progression.
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And then what I'm hoping to do in the book
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is to show the people that anti-Semitism is not
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and did not happen in a vacuum.
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What we're seeing right now today is the result
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of 2,000 years of Judeo-phobia, basically, over the world.
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With a progression, it started this theological anti-Judihism
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with really not too much animosity, just doesn't,
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doesn't, you know, us and them were different
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in their, you know, Christians and Jews.
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And then it evolved into this, you know, more laws
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being passed and accusations and it got worse
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and it got ugly and it got really ugly at the Holocaust.
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Where it became a racial issue, which really is not,
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but it became, according to Hitler and the Nazis,
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based on a lot of the science of eugenics,
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it became a racial issue we had to get rid of the Jews.
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Then we had 20 years of respite
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until, you know, after the war until the mid-60s,
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where people thought it was over.
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It was like, okay, Holocaust, anti-Semitism,
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it's all taboo, we don't talk about it anymore, it's over.
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Never again.
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And then, and then Arafat came on the scene,
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put on by the USSR and started to develop slowly,
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but surely the false narrative of the Palestinian displaced
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people that today people are just buying
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Ukraine and Sinker, without any question.
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And it's just, yeah, 16 years later,
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it's Bible truth for them.
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And that's astounding to me.
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They don't even look at world history,
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they don't want the facts, they just buy the talking points
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but I want to go back to something you said
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and thank you for defining the terms
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because you said demonic and irrational hatred.
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I want to focus on the highly irrational.
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We understand this is a spiritual battle, obviously.
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If you're a biblical Christian, you understand hatred
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against the Jews and Christians, we understand that we get it.
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But what about the highly irrational?
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Where does that play into this?
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For example, would that be what we see on college campuses?
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Where they don't really know, maybe even how to defend
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what they're protesting for, but is that irrational?
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Explain that please.
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Well, that would be an example of irrational,
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but I think a stronger case for the irrationality
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of modern anti-Semitism is, for instance,
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queers for Palestine.
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That is the epitome of irrationality.
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Explain why that doesn't work.
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Okay, and where that doesn't work is,
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if you take an LGBTQ and any of the alphabet soup people
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and you place them in the Middle East
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in a Muslim-run country, like Palestine,
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which is not a country, by the way,
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but the ideology of Islam within the Palestinian people,
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you put them there, what happens to them?
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They get thrown off roofs of buildings.
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Gays are, and I'm not in support of gay lifestyle.
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I mean, I don't think it's biblical, and I think it's a sin.
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But I'm just using it as an example.
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Gays will be thrown off roofs if they are caught
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anywhere in a Muslim country that is run by Sharia law,
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by Koran-a-Klaw, the law of the Quran.
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And so now we have gays, queers for Palestine.
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They're not queers for Palestine.
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They're gays against Israel.
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And they change the terms to make it sound more,
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you know, social justice oriented,
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but they're really anti-Semitic people.
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And, but they're showing their colors by saying,
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hey, even us in the LGBTQ movement, we support Palestine.
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What is showing is the irrationality
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where the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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You've got two groups of people, Muslims and alternative
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lifestyle LGBTQ people who have nothing,
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ideologically speaking, nothing in common, zero in common,
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except one thing, the hatred of the Jews
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and the hatred of Israel and the desire to destroy Israel.
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That is the epitome of irrational.
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That's not the only example.
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I would say that the fact that the youth on campus
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is when you ask him what river, what sea,
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from the river to the sea,
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the vast majority of them, they don't even know.
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And they will tell you, oh, I don't know,
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but it's the right thing to say
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because it shows my support for Palestine.
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That's it, that's what they said.
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Ignorance, this really is almost unbelievable.
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But if you talk about what the parallel that's happening
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at the same time with the dumbing down
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of the education system and the biblical illiteracy
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in the church, it makes sense that people can,
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I don't care, I don't have to explain that.
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I just believe that we need to be protesting.
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Anyway, I wanna go back now.
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You mentioned Sharia law.
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I think of places like Dearborn, Michigan,
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and places that, I mean, Texas, Minneapolis,
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but let's talk about New York City.
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I wanna get your response to the election of a communist
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and anti-Semite and anti-Christian,
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this guy, I'm Donnie in New York.
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I don't think it'll end well for New York,
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but what do you have other concerns?
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Because by the way, the new story that you mentioned
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before we're going on the podcast,
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I saw that as well where just just after he was elected
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or that he announced that he won,
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there were, someone put swastikas on,
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was it a Jewish center in New York City?
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Or Brooklyn?
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Tell us about that.
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Brooklyn, a Jewish center, community center,
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or school of sorts.
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I forgot the name of it,
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but you see the gate in front of it
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of the little red squastika that was painted,
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and that was not the only one, by the way.
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There were multiple cases of anti-Semite symbols.
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30 minutes after the results were in
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that he had been elected, this happened,
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and it's gonna continue.
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And Mamdani is already spoken,
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and I posted an article on our telegram channel
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about that Mamdani condemned swastika graffiti
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at Brooklyn, Yashiva, it was a Yashiva, it was a school.
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As disgusting, and, I can't read it here,
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it's disgusting and heartbreaking.
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And he says he's not gonna allow any of that to happen.
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Well, right now, those are just words, okay?
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And I don't think at trust him,
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because of the track record of how vocal he has been
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promoting the Boycott Divestment Sanction Movement,
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rubbing elbows with terrorists,
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and people who are involved in terrorism,
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and all those different things that show that he really has
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a very, very strong disdain for Israel and the Jewish people,
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and the fact that he said that if he's elected mayor,
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not near who will be arrested if he walks
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in, if he comes to New York.
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I mean, that alone could cause an international incident.
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So it's just like he's not a good person.
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I don't think he's going to be successful
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in his trying to push the Marxist agenda,
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because I mean, really communism and Marxism
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have been failures only 100% of the time since it started.
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So there's a track record for it, not working.
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But it's still going to encourage and embolden
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other Marxist and other blue cities
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to run and possibly get in place.
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And what's happening here is that there is a faster
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than I would like it, but kind of a slow eroding
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of Judeo-Christian values in America.
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And I don't see it stopping.
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God knows what's going to happen post-Trump.
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I mean, who's going to replace him?
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I don't know.
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Are we out there yet?
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Let me just share, we have to take it.
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Just a brief pause.
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I've got some exciting news I want to tell you, friends.
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But first of all, one poll showed that 75% of people
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under 30 voted for this guy, who is communist anti-Semite.
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Then this is not going to end well.
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What I mean by that is behind every free promise stands
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someone forced to pay.
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And behind every vote for dependency hides
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the slow erosion of freedom.
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I posted that on my Facebook page yesterday.
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Socialism always presents itself as compassion.
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But socialism isn't charity, it's coercion.
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Scripture commands voluntary generosity
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within the church, not state imposed redistribution.
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And as we all know, when government becomes God,
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freedom dies and dependency becomes the new devotion.
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But we've got a lot more with executive director
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of Shalom and Messiah Ministries, Olivia Melnick
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on World View Matters.
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Introducing the World View Matters Conference
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coming to Green Bay, Wisconsin, May 1st and 2nd, 2026.
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Here's some of the featured speakers, Ken Michael,
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Olivia Melnick, Tim Chaffee, Mark and Amber Archer,
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Laura Perry Smalls, Dr. Jake Jacobs, J. Seigert, Gary Caw,
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Scott Shera, and Elijah Abraham.
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That's the World View Matters Conference May 1st and 2nd,
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2026, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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Olivia Melnick, you are one of the speakers
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at the May 2026 World View Matters Conference.
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Thank you.
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I wanted to bring you here to Wisconsin
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because your message is so important and needed.
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And I'm excited to have you come and share.
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So just your thoughts about how you've maybe changed
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your message since October 7th, 2023
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in your recent conferences and you'll be coming to town.
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Yes, there's been a shift.
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And I think for me, it started a little before October 20th, 2023.
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But October 7th, 2023 definitely solidified
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that decision.
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It confirmed that when I started 25 years ago on this topic,
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I knew that I was trying to encourage people to educate themselves
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and expose the lies and teach the truth.
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And hopefully we can change people's heart
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and people's mind towards the Jewish people
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and we can make a difference.
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I still believe that and I'm not going to stop.
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But I think right now there's also an emphasis on equipping people
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in the body to physically have skin in the game
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to make a difference with their Jewish friends
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because that will open doors for the Gospel.
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The reason why I'm saying this is because I think I'm actually convinced
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that we have reached a point where we are not going to be able
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to defeat anti-Semitism.
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It's just not going to happen until the King of Kings returns
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and inaugurates and establishes a kingdom in Jerusalem
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from the throne of David.
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I'm speaking of Yeshua, Jesus.
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Until that happens, there's going to be a semblance of peace,
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this peace, that peace, this land, that land.
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But nothing for sure until he comes back.
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So we're going to have this increase of anti-Semitism.
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After all, we know that Zechariah 12, 3 needs to be fulfilled
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and we're halfway there right now, according to numbers,
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where the whole world is going to turn against Jerusalem
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and the Jewish people.
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So that's well on its way.
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So my message right now is to Christians who have,
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it should be all Christians, unfortunately, it's not.
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They have the heart and the attitude of a good Samaritan going like,
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A, I see the Jewish people all throughout the Bible.
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I see God has not done with them.
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I see He's going to resume His program on the Jewish people
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in Israel and He's going, He's been blessing the world
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with the Jewish people.
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I want to bless the Jews and I want to be there for them.
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I see a need for Christians to be bold, to be vocal,
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to be engaged, to have skin in a game
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and talk to their neighbors, talk to their friends,
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talk to their coworkers, talk to their doctor, their lawyer.
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Whoever they knew is Jewish and say,
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I'm a Christian, I go to that church.
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I want to make sure you know that I love Israel.
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I will do anything to help you.
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It's scary to be Jewish right now,
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but I'm your friend, I'm on your side
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and just ask, I'll be happy.
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Anything I do, I've got your back.
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I think Jewish people need to hear that
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because right now, on the human standpoint,
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it's a very scary time for Jews globally.
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Yeah, and unfortunately, we didn't think
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it would be the way it is in the United States
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after what we've seen on college campuses
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and again, the word irrational keeps coming to mind.
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But let's define more terms
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because people are confused about this as well.
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What is Christian Zionism?
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And why do you consider that a noble cause?
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Well, Christian Zionism is simply,
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Zionism is defined as the return of the endeavor
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to return, the endeavor for Jewish people
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to return through their ancestral biblical homeland.
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And you have all kinds of Zionism.
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You have a cultural Zionism,
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historical Zionism, political Zionism on and on and on
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and Christian Zionism is simply the belief
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that the Jewish people, according to the teaching
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of the Bible, the Jewish people are entitled
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to a piece of land known as Erets Israel,
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the land of Israel, because God gave it
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to the ancestors of the Jewish people
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and it has never been reneged
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and it's never going to be.
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So that piece of land is the boundaries
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are defined in Genesis 15
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and they have never been fulfilled.
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That will be fulfilled in the millennial kingdom.
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Right now, the small sliver of land
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is about the size of New Jersey
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and the millennial kingdom will be twice the size of Texas.
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Quite a lot bigger.
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And so Christian Zionism is simply Christians
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showing their support to Israel
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and expressing that they have the right to exist
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as Jews in the land of Israel
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based on God's promises in the Bible.
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Now, what Christian Zionism is not
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and that's important
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because we're being accused of that all the time.
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What Christian Zionism is not
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is a blind adherence to anything Jewish
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without asking any question.
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Thank you.
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I'm glad you mentioned that.
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And because we are so, oh yeah,
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Christian Zionism, you know, you draw loyalty,
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you know, you're more loyal to Israel
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than you're loyal to America.
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What about make America great again?
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Would you really want to make Israel great again?
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That's all you think about.
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No, I am all about making America great again.
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But I also want to remind our audience
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that America has been great
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because America has been blessing Israel since 1948.
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Hmm.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I agree.
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So I want to jump to.
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We only got four minutes left, believe it or not.
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But chapter seven, eschatological anti-Semitism.
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Explain that for us.
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Oh, once in a while I put big words in my book
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so I sound smart.
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So, it's a lot of, right, yes.
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No, actually I don't.
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I want people to read the book.
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It is not a textbook for seminary.
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Don't be scared.
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It should be simple.
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So anyway, eschatological anti-Semitism,
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it's just another way to describe
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end times anti-Semitism.
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It's the same meaning.
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Eschatology is the study of end times.
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And so, and, you know, I believe there's several
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different, you could call them dispensations
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in anti-Semitism or time period.
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And, you know, there's the historical anti-Semitism
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that went all the way to the Holocaust.
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Then the new anti-Semitism that started
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after the Holocaust within two decades
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that continues to this day.
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Within the new anti-Semitism we have
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end times anti-Semitism or eschatological anti-Semitism
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which, for lack of time right now,
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but it says in the book, started in 2012.
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So about 13 years ago.
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And then there's been one more anti-Semitism
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that has not been, it has not materialized yet.
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It's the worst of them all.
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It's a tribulation anti-Semitism.
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So, which will be, you know, during the seven-year tribulation?
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Yeah, a couple minutes left.
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On page 165, it's chapter 11,
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the new players in eschatological anti-Semitism
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part four, the church.
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Are you implying that there are some churches
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that are not supportive of Israel
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or even anti-Semitic in America?
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Was that sarcasm?
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Yeah, unfortunately I know the answer to that.
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That's a softball question to end with.
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But I'm more concerned about the American church.
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Go ahead and share your thoughts in the last minute or so.
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Yes, there are people within the church
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that are starting to distance themselves from Israel
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for the same reasons that I told you about.
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And they did just, you know, it's like,
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or they believe that we spend too much time
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speaking of Israel, speaking to the Jewish people,
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even speaking of the Holocaust.
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And guess what?
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I don't think we spend enough time
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educating people about the Holocaust.
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Because look, 80 years later,
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we have the Nova Festival attack
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where they killed people the worst since the Holocaust
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80 years ago in Israel.
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So, we have people within the church
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who are either doing active anti-Semitism
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and that's a position of the heart
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and that's unfortunate
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because they should read their scripture.
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Something like Psalm 83 says,
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you cannot hate the Jews and love God in the same breath.
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That's not compatible.
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Psalm 83 verse five.
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And you also have soft anti-Semitism
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or passive anti-Semitism.
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And that's where I would put replacement theology
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when people think they have replaced Israel.
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You know, as Christians and God has done with the Jews,
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it's not that they want to kill the Jews,
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but in essence to say the Jews are no longer in Bible prophecy
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so who cares?
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And that places Israel and the Jews in a place where,
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you know, in the annals of history
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and then they're not really playing a part in the future
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and that's very problematic.
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But I guess that's for another show
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because we're running out of time.
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Yes, yes, but thank you for running that down for us.
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But friends, you can get this on Amazon.
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Anti-Semitism in the end times,
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Amazon.com, of course, Olivier's got all of his books there.
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Shalom in Messiah.com.
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Brother, we're excited to continue these conversations
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in the next several months.
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And of course, we're excited to have you come to Green Bay
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next May.
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But thanks for your ministry.
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Thanks for your time and your voice
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is so important and needed these days.
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Stay strong, brother.
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Thank you, be blessed.
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All right. God bless you friends
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and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.