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Hello, this is Jonas from Catatonia. You're listening to another episode of a
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podcast. This is a Catatonia special with Neil Bands from Happy Magazine. Changing
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it off. Granted, like freedom, it's something you'll never get. One
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brains perfect that cham for my Christion song patternsonta a success. Rights I change
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the change conclusion being the friends Sky smith Man so beautiful, submis come,
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I want to say straight off the bat, Jonah said, this is a
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big moment for me because I've been a fan of Caledonia since you guys started.
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You know, we're looking at thirty years and we've never spoken before,
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so I'll try to keep the boying down a little bit. But telling you
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guys for so long and never actually having to kind of have a chat about
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a band that I fucking love an adore a lot. Take us back to
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the start. Obviously we've got to cover a bit in in half an hour,
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but you got started out as a brutal band and then kind of went
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into this I'm not going to say gothic, but you turned it down a
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lot. What was the rationale behind that. With Cattonia in the early days,
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well, I think we just started out coming from you know, thrash
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metal and eventually got into death metal, and that's what wanted us to to
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have our own band. And I have to say, you know, we
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were kind of limited with our capacities to play our instruments at the time,
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so we couldn't really do the morbid Danger kind of music. And after a
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while we realized, you know, maybe we're better off doing something different and
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also reminding us of some of the bands that we really loved as well at
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the time, like Paradise Lost and Swedish band Bathory so and that suited us
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much better, and that's where we sort of found the sound that we have
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been you know, evolving ever since. But of course in the beginning it
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was sounding different because we were teenagers and we were really into this death metal
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thing at the time, but we always wanted to have this sort of emotional
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edge to it, and that's what laid out the foundation of what we've been
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about for all this time thirty years. The Swedish sound. You know,
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there are a lot of bands around, you know, in Flames, Doc
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Tranquility, my sugar U Blokes Opeth and you mentioned a band like Paradise Lost
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and you know, looking at early my Dying Ride, but you got I
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was brought something to the kind of gothier sound of metal that was very enduring,
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empathetic, engaging. You know, I could find a million kind of
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adjectives to use you guys, But did you find that when you did find
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that cadaty in your sound, Jonas, that is distinctively your voice, right,
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that you were able to get across a different kind of meaning Because obviously
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death metal was about singing about death, right, but you guys took it
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to another level. Tell us about some of the motivations that you started with
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and continue on today. Well, I think, as I said, you
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know, we we found that a bit more emotional thing, very suitable for
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us as people as well. And you know, we were still dealing with
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direc lyrics, but it wasn't really about cutting up people like you know,
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the death metal statement that was popular at the time. And we have just
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sort of developed this from the very beginning to what we're doing now. Because
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I mean, as you of course you you evolved as a human as well
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as a person and there's a lot of different stuff coming into your life during
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such a long period of time, so there is more sort of influences and
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stuff to dabble with when you write songs and when you look for inspiration.
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So it's a very natural process. I think that's been ongoing. But we
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still really haven't left the roots, or should I say, the foundation you
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know, that we set out to do when we were a very young band.
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It's still the you know, the melancholic thing that's interesting for me as
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a musician and lyricist. And you know that that thing is still what trigger
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me when it comes to making music. So I just want to explore it
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more and more because it's you know, it's been there all my adult life
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and even before that. So it's an ongoing process. Okay, let's type
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a break. Look, I'll get you to pick the first song and tell
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us why you chose that song for us to play. Wow, if it's
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a first one, I would pick something a little bit earlier, maybe a
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song like rain Room from the second album we did, Bradmother Day, because
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I think it defined exactly where we wanted to be at that very moment in
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time. You know, of course, every album have kind of a different
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edge to it, but it's also something we always wanted to explore, and
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I think this song defines that period very well. Okay, here it is
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with all and all my live they fall as a worker? Was that not
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a lifetile being along to long time? I would he would be a long
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time? But why not live? Why not? I llowed long fair die
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the bird alloy you try learned the fall of the bird had a dog at
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asday day was already all back fall was for ever found that dogs always have
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a back. What there was that time? By good for the walk to
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the water not rey very like there was raining room from Caledonia. And I
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have the absolute pleasure of talking to mister Jannis Renski. Congratulations on the brand
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new album. It's a fucking cracker. Do you want to Obviously everybody's been
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talking about, you know, Rona and you guys release an album City Will
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City Burials after we were kind of embedded into that that period of the universe's
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existence. Tell us about the writing process to Skyvoid of Stars and what was
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the you know, the primary goal behind that album. I think the primary
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goal, uh, first of all, because we were just sitting in our
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homes. We couldn't do any shows, and you know, having just released
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a new album in the beginning of the pandemic, it was the ultimate bad
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timing. And I was talking to a lot of my you know, colleagues
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in music, and a lot of them said, you know, they didn't
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have any inspiration because of this, and so I decided, maybe maybe this
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is also going to happen to me. But I didn't want it to happen.
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So I set up like a schedule for myself to write music every day
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for a certain amount of hours. And I said to myself, like,
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it doesn't matter if it's just shit coming out, because I don't want to
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be, you know, just lying on my couch and feeling sorry for myself.
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So and that's what, you know, started the whole process of writing
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another album. And as it went on, I was more and more inspired
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because I thought, you know, maybe there is an end to this situation,
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and these are the songs that I want to go out and present to
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people and also play live. So that sort of fueled me even I mean
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back then we didn't know, but I thought, another album, it's not
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a problem to do so and it kept me busy for a year and a
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half maybe, ye, yeah, which was great for my mental situation.
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You know that I had something to focus on rather than just being, you
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know, thinking about how unfair the universe was at the time for musicians or
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performers in general, and of course a lot of other people, but you
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know, thinking about the sort of bubble I'm in, and so it kept
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me sane. Okay, do you want to pick a song from Skyboardish Stars?
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Jonathon tell us why I picked it. I would play the song open
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In because I think it's a great song. Basically, Okay, great answer.
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See my scars they come from the other hat the drowning you God,
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my words are bouncing off the ground. I see them, but you backwass
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tired? My heart hats tarn? Yes? What a thirty six? Now?
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How many land recolor burning over the news? Two years? Radios that
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say b June years, I see the last day turning straight into a side.
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Get so you're lit mos shine don't know? So wait says to say
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Clay saw the trail the fleet in twenty to last year's cries with the curtain
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closing, I would go where I see it. Let me not rise,
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listen never one to pass the test, all for the best heading. If
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you gone now, I I say the last day time straight into everything I
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did get so late, show at the voice and shout don't now so ways
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to say clean gay gliding wave lies through the vapor, off the mapping in
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too longs. No more wisdom here to gather, no more boundary rias to
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cross. I see the state straight, So show so se Hello, this
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is Jonas from Catatonia. You're listening to another episode of a podcast. This
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is a Catatonia special with Neil Vance from the magazine We're Back. That was
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opening from the brand new Skyboardy Stars album. The first time I got to
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see you, guys, I was so excited and I know that you're going
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to remember the gig and it was I think you were the closing band at
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twenty fourteen's Brutal Assault and you had about half an hour of technical difficulties and
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yeah, and barely got to play. And I was fucking heartbroken. So
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were we. Yeah. Yeah, it was a horrible evening for us.
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And it was also the first show for our new at the time new drummer
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Daniel and the guy we had filling in on guitar as well, so it
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was especially for them. I felt so sorry for you know, starting off
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like that was a yeah, you know, sometimes technical problems are the worst
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thing and it will definitely ruin your show if you have really bad luck,
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which we had that evening. Luckily we could come back the year after the
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festival was nice enough to invite us back. I think you I think you
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were accepted, like you're on the bill for the next year the very next
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day when we woke up. Yeah, exactly. So that was a good
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thing. But obviously for people that couldn't come back to the to the next
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edition. But sometimes it's just the universe again, you know, it's working
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against you and it's a lot of bad luck, and it was a horrible
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evening. As a vocalist and a lyricist, Jonas, who do you consider
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an influence? The reason I asked you this question is because I was never
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really a Jeff Buckley fan, and I was dating a girl at the time
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who was and I put on an album and she was singing along and I'm
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like, how do you know Caltonia? And she's like, this is a
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Jeff Buckley song, right, Yeah? Do you consider him an influence and
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the kind of and did he have an impact and who else has an impact
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on you as as a performer and a musician. Yeah, I mean Jeff
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Buckley. When he came out on the on the music scene and I got
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hold of his first album, the Grace Album, it was like a revelation
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for me and also the other guys in the band. I mean, we
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completely worshiped that record. It was so musical, it still had you know,
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the rock elements, it had a lot of other stuff in there as
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well. I mean, it's just a very vivid record and his vocals were
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something, you know, it's it was out of this world. Sadly,
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he only made two albums, and you know, it keeps being an inspiration.
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But of course this is this is mid nineties, so it's it's been
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a while, and I mean there's a lot of other stuff that I personally
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get, you know, very inspired by. There is this singer Mark Koselek,
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which I've been listening to his music for many, many years now,
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and he's always very inspired. He used to have a band in the nineties
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called Red House Painters, and more recently he's performing under the name Sun Kill
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Moon and you know, it's just stuff that I can't stop listening to because
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it's it's been there for a long time, I think, lyrically and musically,
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he's one of my heroes. I would also mention David Sylvian from used
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to be in the band Japan a long time ago in the eighties, and
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since then he's released a number of solo albums. Some are very experimental and
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some are more traditional music. But he's also been very inspirational for me lyrically,
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and you know, musically he's dealing a lot with atmospheric stuff as well.
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But that's just two examples. I listen to music all the time and
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I get inspired by a lot of stuff. Really, okay, but you
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make it your own of course. Yeah, okay. As I said,
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I've not spoken to you before, and there are so many things that want
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to talk about. I like, my favorite album of yours is The Great
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Cold Distance Without Without Question, and when I heard the song my Twin,
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it brought me to tears. You know, it's just such It's such a
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beautiful song, mate, it just really is, and it still hits me
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to this day. I've seen you performer twice and can you tell us about
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my twin and introduce it Forrest please. Yeah. I mean, I can't
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really remember what I was really thinking about when I wrote the song, but
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I remember definitely thinking that it had potential to, you know, become a
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really good song of ours. And I thought that the chorus needed to be
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very hooky lyrically, because usually my lyrics aren't really that hooky. And I
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was just trying to write something on the subject of having had someone in your
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life that you clicked very well with and you know, it doesn't really have
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to be like a love relation. It could be like a friend and chip
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thing, but just that kind of feeling and it's something that we experience sometimes
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a couple of times in life maybe, and and having that also being taken
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away from you, that kind of feeling I wanted to, you know,
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find lyrically. And I think that the chorus is what makes the song really
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hooky, because it's a very simple chorus, but it's straight to the heart,
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you know. So that's that's probably it. And we have not really
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been able to write such a song afterwards. I mean, it's not something
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we tried to do even but you know, they maybe come around every ten
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fifteen years. I don't know. We'll see if there's there's going to be
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another one. I don't know yet. Here's my favorite cat, young white
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twins, sunny and shame. Then the shame had sunny and shame. I
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saw shoe my girl, but Joe carry on now I am gone. What
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else been with drawn? And she needs feel like my friend? And I'm
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all, let'spay, we'll see it all for nothing? I stole off with
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him, do all his brace to b his song? Oh lord, lets
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it pass? It feels like fire. Everybody's warning less. He used to
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feel like ide and all it's been. What's it all for a reason?
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Are you strong? Yell with a film? Worst place? Two Doll's song
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used to be like my friend? Don't all it's been? What's it all?
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For him? I stung up with him. No one is placed a
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brother, so count true. I am to no. I want she must
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feel like my friend. I'm all stand Wasn't it all for nothing? I
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strong? You up with him? You wants thanks you brother? So she
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sa Hello, this is Jonas from Catatonia. You're listening to another episode of
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a podcast. This is a Catatonia special with Neil Vance from Heavy Magazine.
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I guess, Jonas, you are quite the mysterious character on stage. You
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have a certain you know, an enigma, and a persona is the person
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that we see and here on stage the same person that's Jonas, or do
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you take on something different. I think it's a lot of myself, but
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of course being on stage is I would say it's it's not a natural place
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to be. It's sort of connected to a lot of feelings that you don't
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really get in your everyday life. So I might take it to a different
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place when I'm up there. I mean it's it's both kind of hiding but
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also kind of showing yourself because of the I mean, the stuff that we
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perform, the lyrics that I sing, they are very like exposing but also
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you know, not really wanting to be there all the time, but still
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liking it. You know, it's a very difficult thing to explain. I
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think I really enjoy playing live, but it's always it's a lot of nerves
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and you know, so it's a it is a bit of a different persona
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for me, but of course there's a lot of myself in there as well,
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so I try to balance it up, I guess, So tell us
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what song do you think encapsulates the jonas Rensky Caletonia person? I know,
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and tell us why and we'll play it. Wow. There's a few of
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them, actually, but I'm happy to play them all my yeah, yeah,
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maybe I should go for something from the latest album. The album song
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it's called No Beacon to Illuminate Our Fall because lyrically it's it's kind of harsh,
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but you know, it's it's the way we we all feel sometimes.
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And I tried to, you know, squibble it down and find the elect
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the concentrate of these kind of emotions. And I think when I was finished
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with that song, I thought, you know, this represents me very well
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right now, and I was happy with it. So No Beacon to Illuminate
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Our Fall. That star used to show but it fell then drop, turn
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dark, drove to the old shape, shud level lived in the color of
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dust, concept, shoveling of suspense, chadoy words to trouble the try,
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surrender into the dark, spread of the wind. It is a boon now,
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how up freedom, dust of dust approaching the proach, who solace are
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cold scattered across the skyline. You'll be welcome to allow man. I are
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my dead mind with the final reason, we'll sell it to the lowest better
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My final reason. I am my dead mind with the final reason. What
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solitude though was better? My final reason imber my tepon again with the final
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reasons solitude though was better? Reason? It will matter if you get back
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beneath my Houdy, no black, my dad cover enough to come on trouching
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drier, the s s scattered across the sky, come to turn myself because
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the more you hurt, last tears misk and the real came down to drifting
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off from life mis spell bay having me Honor talking to vocalist from Caltonia and
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johnas Rensky, who are touring Australia soon. Are you excited to get back
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down here? I think you are. You supported Opeth a few years ago.
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Yeah, we did, and we have done a couple of own headliner
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runs in Australia, but it's been a while so I'm very much looking for
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to it. It's always you know, it's the other side of the world
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for us. It's a beautiful place. I love us Australia very much,
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so it's I can't wait to come back. Actually, what memories do you
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have of Australia so far. I think the first time we went over,
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we played this festival tour that was going at the time. It was called
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No Sleep Till and there were loads of bands on the bill. I think
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Megadeth was the headliner, but there was loads of bands. I mean,
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we were not high upon the bill, but it didn't matter. We played
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it one maybe every day, you know, during daytime. But the fun
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thing about that tour was, you know, we had a day off after
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every show, so we really had the time to explore a little bit.
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The more recent times we've been around, it's been more of a tight schedule,
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so we don't really have the time to to check out places and stuff.
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But it's so that first tour was really something else, you know.
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But still, you know, once we're coming over, we're trying to embrace
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as much as possible and indulge in what's going on. Are we going to
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get a long set throughout your full that catalog or do you kind of condensed
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condensed it, Dan, I mean, it's so hard. We released so
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much music and you know, there's only so much time you can play until
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people, even if we're their favorite band, they will go home after a
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while, you know, so we have to sort of concentrate on the last
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fifteen years or something. You know, we can't really go back to earlier
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than that, because you know it would sort of then you have to start
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saying like, oh, there's going to be a song from every album,
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and then we have to leave out a lot of important songs. And it's
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but we try to play, you know, the stuff that we like and
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that we know that people like. So it's it's usually a good compromise,
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you know. Do you think can I ask give us a snake pake?
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Do you think we'll say, well, t gas and criminals? Sometimes we
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do that, I mean, and I mean for a headline round. We
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we certainly have a lot of time to spend, uh for a setlist.
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So it's I mean, I would say, it's not impossible. Okay,
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great, I'm gonna jump in here. I want to apply to you guys
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because I love it, and then we'll come why not so mad in things?
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Into for time? A strange to scene, the s, the sharmon
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s, the sun? What is it in my eyes? A piece of
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road? Last? Is this the time I should be on? My name?
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Is this? You will tell me? Another has been found. No,
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I know you're get my what is it in my mind? A piece
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of rob Is this the time that should be on my Is this your way?
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I believe another house then bound in a pres I'm not at the time
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it sud it didn't your way up to be b I'm not jeered out.
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Two yes from catatonia. So I want to I want to ask you about
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I loved Dead in Kings and then you did Dethrone It Uncrowned, which was
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dead End Kings, but acoustic, how did you come to do that?
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Look, it's it was mainly because we realized there was so many things going
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on on this album that you maybe don't really hear because it's it was a
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question of mixing the album. There's a lot of soundscapes going on underneath all
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the guitars and the drums, and we realized, you you know, put
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the drums and guitars on mute, there was a whole different thing under there.
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So we thought, you know, maybe this is too good to just
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waste on a metal mix. So which recorded, you know, replaced all
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the heavy guitars with black acoustic guitars. We put the drums away and did
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a few, you know, more percussion style stuff, and then all of
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a sudden we had a different version of the album that we thought sounded really
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cool. So yeah, it was just an experiment. Also at the time,
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I mean, I don't think it's going to happen again, so I'm
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very happy that we did it once and tried it. So it was just
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a cool thing to try out. Well, every time you guys released something,
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it's on heavy, heavy rotation in my house, and you know,
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I went from dead and Deaden Kings to Playing to Throne and Uncrowned more.
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Can you pick your favorite track from that album for me and tell us why
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you would have picked it. Well, I think the song Lithian It's uh,
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it's a staple in our live shows, and I know why because it's
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very catchy and it's it's a really cool song to play live. It has
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to the perfect tempo, I think, and the pulse and the song I
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like it very much, so I would have to say that one. Hello,
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this is Jonas from Catatonia. You're listening to another episode of a podcast.
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This is a Catatonia special with Neil Vans from Heavy Magazine. How long
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this the pattern going to speak? For you? How far can your voice
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reach your sunglone? Live from by you? I can see you shot him
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where you are standing in the show sign to now hookchop This time, MO
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won't be need battle on the freewayway? What's hard to guess? The Young
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coming dark left me with dependance. We had bounds, but you couldn't make
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it and make it through the tree. What's your cue? So long?
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Hid ground? What's her cue? So long? Translate the fire? Then
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ms Russia, oside your heart? How long can winter color? The word
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hand? The skyline passed houses, stum the city high for ocul carbine rever
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no this river. This time I will run along the freeway the freewayway?
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What's hard to get? The Young coming direct left me at the towns.
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We had plans, but you couldn't make it and make it? What's so
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cute? Song long? The time ground? What's so cute? So long?
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Jones? We've got only a couple of minutes left, and I've got
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a time fly so quickly when you're talking to somebody that you revere so much.
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First of all, I want to thank you for everything that you've given
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me, and and and the heavy music community as a whole You have made
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a massive impact and different in a lot of people's lives. Take with that
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what you will make. But you know, it's it's absolutely heartfelt. What
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is your favorite song to perform live? And why my favorite song to perform
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live? I mean it's it's growing all the time because we keep releasing new
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stuff. But yeah, that's right, Yeah, yeah, City Burials,
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Fall of Hearts, Skyboard of Stars. But yeah, I mean also there
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are songs that I really like to play that we don't play very often because
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it's you know, it doesn't find its place to sit in the setlist or
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whatever. So because we were doing with toured, we did only one to
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work for City Burials because of the pandemic shit, And that's when we play
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this the opening track Hard Set to Divide, and I really love to play
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it, but it's not maybe a song that we will keep playing very much
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because it's an opener for that album and it should be opening the whole set.
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I think it has that kind of a feeling to it. But I
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really like to play it live, So hopefully a few few more times in
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the future. Okay, Hot set to the Bat I Speak by Jonas Frenski
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in times of surrender, I am shedding my scars. I was sick,
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but I was set for the stars. The roade wasn't mine, But I
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still in the sunset of age on the minds and closed towards the door to
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my past reception and my disposition than the change I own, than my mind
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all love for sake, You saw my white fan. You saw shadows smarted,
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tired of repentance. My words let to me in their way. See
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how I sway I speak some the rights, son, I guess it seems.
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Let the word lets. I turned to a true glid into the night.
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Oh, my memory sun broke. Look for the circle. It's become
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the proof. I see the peace slang way I see says people calling stays
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through across the sky. The black down the work sis my energy for long.
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home, I couldn't cross. I had no choice but to make peace.
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We hire a crown. Every breath now without a sound, every breath now
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without sound, a sea a suss keep back stays trust the sky. All
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right, mate, I'll let you go because we're restricted on time again of
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barely top service and I could talk to you for another two hours. Yeah,
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sorry mate, No, don't be sorry, mate. It was like
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an honor to finally get to talk to you. And I will definitely hopefully
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get to see you guys when you get here next year. The Catatony two
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dates Feb ninth, The Sydney Metro twenty twenty four, Feb ten, Melbourne,
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Feb eleventh, Brisbane, The Trifford, Adelaide de gal for twelve and
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Perth. That rows me out. Actually it's going to be massive, mate.
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You haven't got a day off. No, it's very very tight,
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but we were looking forward. Yeah, it's gonna be a fantastic run.
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H thank you for your time. Do you want to pick? Thank you?
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Maybe two more songs and we'll head off and I'll see you. So
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yeah, what would that be? I would say one of my favorite songs
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from the Vvampton its record is called Complicity. I really like that one.
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It's also a favorite of mine. To play live, which we don't do
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very often. Then I would say probably or Sacred it's nice to play live
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as well. Yeah, yeah, right thanks mate, take it easy,
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no problem, thank you, that's with everything, and I'll talk to you
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so yeah, cheers man, thanks bro bye, goodbye. I have own
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