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Women Who WRITE | Three Wholehearted Rhythm Pillars · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Are you a journaling type?
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  SPEAKER_00: As in, do you have a million journals that you've requested to be burned on the moment of your death?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or does the idea of journaling just make you cringe?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because when you try, it just just something you don't like.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it feels like one more thing you're failing at or not doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, finding the time to write, whether it's a journal entry, a note, or your dream writing project, is challenging, especially if you are a mom.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's why in this community, I begin the three wholehearted rhythm pillar series.
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  SPEAKER_00: Word, worship, and write.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because here's the deal, friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: We need an anchor in times like these.
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  SPEAKER_00: And getting in a rhythm of writing every day, whether it's writing scripture, your thoughts, your frustrations, it will be an anchor or the reset that you need.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're facing fear or discontentment or frustration are really good things.
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  SPEAKER_00: The rhythm of writing is a catalyst for change.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then once I began making my daily rhythm simple, I made it accessible and I paired it with reading scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it was something that I look forward to every single day.
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  SPEAKER_00: So today's conversation with Christy Cameron has some insight that will help you get in the rhythm of writing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this month of January, I've given you a conversation to make your action steps to have the three whole-hearted rhythms your personal daily pillars.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now Christy is an Enneagram for Wing Three.
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  SPEAKER_00: She also happens to be a World War II novelist.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know this before the conversation began, so I totally geek out about this hidden talent.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we go on quite the meandering rabbit trail about her writing journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I am really, really glad we did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad I get to share it with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is so perfect.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to miss this part of the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now listen, friend, I do know what it's like to let another year slip by and realize you are still not where you want to be in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: But not this year.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the year things are going to change for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope that you'll listen to this conversation with my new friend Christy Cambron for godly perspective, a reminder of your purpose, and a simple plan that you can use today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, my name is Amy Wicks, and I love to talk about the gospel message your heart was created to hear.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a Christian Enneagram coach for moms who loves to share resources which help you be confident that you are the best mom for your kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a mountain mama who somehow ended up on a golden sack in the Midwest.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was overwhelmed by motherhood, and I struggled to understand my true motivations.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the Lord didn't let me stay there.
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  SPEAKER_00: He helped me turn those challenging moments of motherhood into a wholehearted decision to get intentional with my faith, my marriage, and my kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: I share a broken-hearted perspective with story, but with wholehearted purpose and plan so you can live a life full of courage and abundance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think of this podcast as your on-the-go mom pal and friend who can't help but talk about Jesus and the Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_00: So get to that pile of laundry, or hit the treadmill, or load up the kids in the car for that grocery run.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get ready to be encouraged and challenged while you listen.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: What a cute background.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is my home office.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I have color, I was an art student, so I have color-coded shelves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's so fun because I can tell the boys, like, will you go put that on mom's yellow shelf?
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, I got it, mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know where it goes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you rock.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to come to my house.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now I just, yeah, it's you know, the closet, and I just have the faux background to cover up the underwear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the rest of the house is not like this.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have um three boys edging into teenage.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like the bathroom, it should just be condemned.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I know, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yellow caution tape for anyone who I used to enter.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's laundry all over the living room, and I got dishes in the sink right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, girl, this this may be like the Pinterest thing, but this is where I do all my podcasts for good reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: For good reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it's super cute.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm excited to, as a mom, um, I, you know, as a mom to mom, we here at the Simply Wholehearted Podcast, we love to talk about the Enneagram because I'm an Enneagram coach, but really because I think when it's Christ-centered and faith-based, it can help us understand some of our pitfalls, uh, how we are made in the image of God and also the things that are maybe inhibiting us from fullness and wholeness in the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we love to talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious to know what your Enneagram type is and how it's impacted you, your motherhood, marriage, life in general.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have been so excited about this conversation because this is the it's the first time I've been on a podcast actually talking about the Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I spent 15 years, I spent 15 years as a trainer in corporate America.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it was, it was all about like corporate America is so good about looking at team structure and having teams come together and looking at, okay, what skill set do we have?
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  SPEAKER_01: What are we missing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where are some gaps that we have?
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  SPEAKER_01: And really bringing people together and then utilizing their strengths.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I see this more and more in ministry.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this just gets me really excited to see that churches and ministries are doing this and they're being really intentional with how they build their teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I am an Enneogram for Wing Three.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, which is hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_01: So to be an individualist, like I totally get that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get the creative vibe, I get that we're looking at art degree, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I went to art school and that was funny because I was in corporate America in healthcare, which is like as far from art and creativity as you can get.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, I would kind of wheedle my way onto these amazing teams and I would be the art girl on the team.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was always given like the art projects, like, hey, we need you to redesign this, or we we need you know, we need this kind of art aspect to whatever we're teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I always got to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I love that the fours, you know, we do try, we lead with the heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're one of those numbers where we lead with the heart, we lead with our emotions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Especially if you're three wing, you're all heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the funny thing is to be a three-wing, when I read that and it said the aristocrat, you know, we're looking for elegance, we're looking for beauty.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are the one who you want to go on a walk on the park.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe you don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to go for a walk with us through the park because we are going to use a hundred.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like we're gonna use a hundred words when 10 will do, and we're gonna talk about all the beautiful things around you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you emerge from that park after 10 hours, you are not gonna want to see us again for a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but in leading with the heart and leading with this kind of emotional, kind of creative, this wide range of emotions, we can fall into this trap.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we also we value those gift things, but we also can devalue things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like we look at our flaws, we look at, you know, we we really um fall into kind of a shame spiral sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we our coping mechanism is self-isolation, which you know, that that is classic enemy tactic number one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like isolate someone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isolation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so and it's funny because it was a very four thing for me to take the test and you know, being a corporate America, like I know my MBTI, I know my strength finders, I know my predictive index, I know that I can be on the impulsive side and I'm gonna jump out and want to do implementation.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for me, for just for the Enneagram, I wanted to change the test.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's like a four thing to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I was like awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to win this test, so I'm like a two.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I love the two.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you sevens?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can figure this out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know I can like jimmy that my answers just a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I come out on, but that's like such a four-wing three thing to do that I was like, man, it's so me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for better or for worse, I do fall into the four wing three.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love four-wing threes because you teach me how to feel as a seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a little bit feeling repressed, and I would rather put move past the negative emotions or you know, troubling thoughts in a way that is not uh healing to me and edifying to my spiritual walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I do so value how you can take something and put 10 words to it that would be like, how quick can I describe this thing?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, like what's the shortest word?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can ask us any question and any experience that is out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: We want to dig deep into no, but how'd you feel about it, girl?
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  SPEAKER_01: How were you feeling when you were going through that experience?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's a funny thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would imagine that a lot of storytellers, a lot of my author friends, you know, we we tap into, especially on the fiction side, you tap into this range of emotions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a local coffee shop that I go to and I write all my books there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: The vibe is awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when I walk in there, you know, they they're like, Christy, is it a medium drink today or is it a large?
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you under word count?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you said like they know it's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I walk in there, the owner was there one day and she's like, Hey, Christy, what you know, what's going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was writing a World War II novel at the time, and I said, Oh, I don't know, I don't I don't feel very good today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have to kill somebody off.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the Nazis are coming after them, and I'm really feeling this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I go and she's like, Oh, okay, you know, well, we'll get your drink.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I go and I write, and I'm literally like crying in the back of this coffee shop.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so embarrassed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm I'm trying to keep my head down because I'm killing somebody and it's you know, it's it's not a very Christian thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's awful, and because this is a good character.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh then I came back the next day, and the owner was like, Christy, I was watching you and I wish I had your address because I was gonna send you flowers to your house because you were mourning the loss of this character.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, again, very embarrassing for wing three to do thing to do, but hey, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, I have a couple of friends, including myself, who are really into World War II novels right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So give a plug, give a tell us.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, besides looking up uh Christy Cameron, what are the names?
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  SPEAKER_00: My next novel actually comes out um at the time of our call.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not out yet, but it's February 16th.
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  SPEAKER_01: So make sure you watch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just a couple weeks, right around Valentine's Day, the Paris Dressmaker.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is my yes, it is kind of the novel I've always wanted to write.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have been in love with Paris forever since I was in college and you know, doing all the art, art history research.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is uh it's really resistance meets runway.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's fine art, it's fashion, it's Coco Chanel, it's like all of the fashion world.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got beauty that is contrasting right up against just the heartbreak and the disaster of war.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's just kind of this look at light versus darkness and these dark spaces in our history.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what I always try to write.
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  SPEAKER_01: And these dark spaces in our history, where is that light of Christ?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we we get into the French Holocaust and what that is, and I have two women who are actually going through the process of Nazi occupation from 1940 to 1944, and what were their decisions?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it wasn't black and white, especially for women.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the decisions are shades of gray, and the outcome is never assured.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how do you cling to your faith?
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  SPEAKER_01: And without giving spoilers, even though I love spoilers on things, without giving spoilers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without giving spoilers, there is one very pivotal moment in the book where there is a character and she loves the Lord and she loves her husband and she loves her family and she did everything right, right?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like she had integrity, she fought with the resistance, she did core deep, like what she knew to be right, not what was easy, and things still didn't work out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to try to explore that question like God is still good, even when things, especially when things don't work out the way that we think they're going to.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, it's the Paris Dressmaker, World War II in Paris.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm writing my next uh two novels after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh World War II as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a couple of other World War II on the art of Auschwitz and the art of the Holocaust, uh, the butterfly and the violin was my debut years back, and uh that came straight out of my research in uh my undergrad studies.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: So Christy, this is so cool.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know if you understand this because I know you and I didn't get to chance to dialogue.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was working with the publicist, which sometimes um just that's what happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I we are actually doing a series.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do it every year.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the fourth year, or maybe the fifth year, but anyway, yeah, I think this is actually the fifth January where we go through the wholehearted rhythm pillars.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I call those pillars word, worship, and write.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's the things that we need for our wholehearted life living and life, like no matter what else, if we get the word of God, if we are worshiping, and if we were right, if we're writing down truth, which we're gonna talk more about today, like there's just, you know, and I believe journaling falls into that and finding your word for the year, but there's just this um anchor that we find that, you know, therefore pillars um that we work around.
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  SPEAKER_00: But one of the things that I really love to explore is the whole writing thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a writer myself and someone who I believe I have both fiction and nonfiction in me that the Lord has for me to write.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, tell me a little bit about just like the writing, the dream and everything, because you touched on too this thing that you explored with that character in the novel is is when the outcome doesn't match your expectations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Dang! Like that is the like such a hard, hard thing.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I know it goes in line with so many things, but tell me a little bit about the writing journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know we didn't plan this one, but I think it's really important for this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I love to go where you lead.
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  SPEAKER_01: So wherever you're leading us, that's where we're gonna go with this conversation and where the Lord's leading.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're having coffee and conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: For me, that journey, it's really funny because I'm asked that question often and I wish I had this like beautiful, elegant answer for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't, you know, the question is, did you always know you wanted to be a writer?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, and no idea that God was gonna lead me down this path.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I do see kind of the breadcrumb trail, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I do see how the Holy Spirit was involved from the very beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I was a kid, like the dream was to be a Disney animator.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's where it started.
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  SPEAKER_01: No kidding.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that was from the time I was little, and my mom would take my sister and I to the library every week when I was a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my sister was the amazing reader to this day.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's a librarian, you know, she lives halfway across the world and she loves books.
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  SPEAKER_01: So she would read all the Jane Austen and she would go read the fiction.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: I went the other way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to the art section and I would pull down these thick volumes of art history and animation, and I would sit on the floor in the library and I would just thumb through visual stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the kicker.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, listeners, you can't see what I'm doing, but I'm holding up my hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have these hands that God gave me.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: They cannot paint, they can't draw, they can't sculpt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like there's there was no way I could create the art that was in my heart and in my head.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was I was a kid of the 80s and 90s, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: This was before CGI.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is before all the computer.
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  SPEAKER_01: All the cool stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you couldn't draw, but you wanted to be an artist, like that's a problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's so true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by the time I met Jesus at 16, you know, saved and baptized in youth church at 16, and I start college at 17, I walked into my first art history class and he just whispered to my heart, You're home.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is where I want you to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had no idea that he was instead going to ask me to paint with words.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what it feels like.
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  SPEAKER_01: It feels like communion with him, time with him, painting with words.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I was still in study mode, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So my husband and I, we um we met and married very young.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we're knocking on the door of 20 years married.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even believe it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: But man, congratulations.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's so great.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you look like a baby.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, you are.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: You must have got married at like 15, right?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll I'll just go ahead and fill your tip jar when we get off this call.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was super kind.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: But but I was working in corporate America at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to school.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a non-traditional adult student.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: So we paid cash every semester for 13 years for me to go to school.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this everything, so to get back to your question about the writing, everything kind of converged.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Again, we think that the journey is a straight line.
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  SPEAKER_01: We think it's A to Z.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it looks like spaghetti, like the way that God waves and intertwines our journey and our path with others and with him.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I'm in corporate America, I was, again, this is where I was referring to.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was in school.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I learned how to write technically as a corporate trainer.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm writing curriculum.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was designing curriculum.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then over here, I had my creative side in school, which was the research and research writing and art history.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I got my degree in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny, you know, my dad was an architect.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember him having this conversation with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: What, hey, he wasn't getting down on me, but he was like, What do you plan to do with this degree?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's about as far away from what you're doing in corporate.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know, I don't know.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just know I want to go to school for something that I have passion for.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the plan was actually to be a college professor at that time because the Disney animation thing was not going to happen.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: So one of my teachers.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And one of my professors said, No, you can write.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she was one of the first people who said, you know, you've you've got something here.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think you can write.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was the plan.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: But right there, literally, I can remember at graduation, walking across the stage, and our kids were babies, and they saw mom walk across the stage and get her degree.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord just spoke to my heart.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'd already been accepted to graduate school.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like that, that was the plan that that was where we were going.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord was just like, within a month, he said, No, I want you to start telling the stories I want you to tell.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Amy, it's hilarious to me because we make plans and we see limitations.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, we do.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: We get blocked up by barriers.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm thinking, wait a minute, God, I know nothing about publishing.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know no one.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm from small town southern Indiana, and y'all, I got B's in English.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's no reason why this should happen.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: But the Lord just lit a fire on my heart.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so he said, No, I want you to go for publication.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I started writing.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: I got involved in writer communities.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I joined the ACFW, which is American Christian Fiction Writers.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I uh went to my first conference that fall.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it was the fall of 2011.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, I knew next to nothing and I knew no one.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I just walked in there and I pitched my work to agents and editors.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we had six requests for my work.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: And within a month, we had two agents offer to represent and we signed with an agent, and we just did not know what that meant.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I usually stop at this point because then people say, Oh, wow, it sounds like, wow, you you got the dream.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you no, no, no, no.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'd like to be real about this.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: That we had two years, at least two solid years.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: We call those kind of the crash and burn years in our boy because we were sending workout, crash and burn, entering contest, crash and burn.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: But then there would be times where we would enter a contest and we would have just enough of a boost.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was just like I would place in the contest, or it was a smaller contest and I would win the contest or something like that.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it got right down to it, right down to the end where I finally was like, well, I'm just gonna try again.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I entered a contest, and uh the judge was an editor from Thomas Nelson, and I forgot about contests because I figured, you know, phew, crash and burn again.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's what's gonna happen.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's had been history, right?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: So exactly.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so we just figured that was gonna be it.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it was on this novel that was really a part of my heart.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was the part of that journey.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was on the women's orchestra of Auschwitz, and it was about creatives and artists who created art inside the concentration camps, something I had done research on a decade before in school.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so then I won the contest.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was shocked, and I forgot about it because I expected to not win, and then I won.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the editor is my editor at Thomas Nelson, and we are working on novels eight, nine, and ten together.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And there was a whole journey that came after that, still in corporate America, and how God called us out of that, and then how we even came to verse mapping.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so I've got the fiction side of my heart, which was art school and all of that, and then the nonfiction side of my heart, which is teaching, which was corporate America, which was developing curriculum, and how the Lord had me kind of walking these two separate roads in tandem.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that is part, that's the kind of the second volume of the journey.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love it.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is so cool.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for indulging us because it is just a reminder about how it is not a linear, we want this just simple, straightforward path, and that is not how God works.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and it's so different and unique.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: And after over it'll be 185 episodes and counting stories and conversation that it just looks so different for everybody.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, that's the beauty of it is God is writing our story.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's worth writing down, and that's why it's worth taking note and listening to get perspective and be reminded, oh, that that's how you worked for her.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I see, you know, uh like breadcrumbs of that in my life.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and this is how he's working for me that I can go, oh yeah, you know, he's he's working, he's working on my behalf.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's I'm not um I'm not just grasping for straws here.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is, you know, just the path that God has me on and um sometimes how he works out our dreams that he put inside of us, which is, you know, again, it's making sure I think it's the refiner's fire fire of going, let's make sure these are really my dreams and that you're surrendered in that.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I love it.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you started touching on the the verse mapping and the whole reason why uh it caught my attention of the the Bible journaling verse mapping process.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I am a person who I do love Bible studies.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love writing them and creating them, but I also just for me a cup of coffee and the word of God, my highlighters and my pen.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love going to town.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love going to town on a fresh new Bible.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: I, I, you know, every few years I ask for a different translation, a new Bible just so I can mark up a new one.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so tell us, tell us what this looks like, how it came to be a habit and process in your life, and then uh just what you're sharing with us today so we can begin to practice some of the verse mapping in our daily routine of writing and word.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love the first series of questions that you asked because it gave us a really good lead-in to okay, this is like I said, kind of volume two of that question.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: So right where we left off, I had just signed my first contract for fiction, our whole family, and you probably heard me say the word we quite a bit, because you're not on this journey alone, especially if you so yeah, if you have aspiring authors and you're you're an aspiring author or whatever, aspiring creative, or you feel a calling and you're listening today, it's really important to remember the people who are around you.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be your dream defenders, they will be your true leaders.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Dream defenders.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: So on this, on this journey, our family, we were all so excited.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness, you know, we finally got a yes.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And an hour later, I got a call from my dad, and he said, This could be bad.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: I may have leukemia.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so our family, we went on this five-month journey of editing my first novel at the local cancer center while he was having his chemo infusions and we had this gentle goodbye for now.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: So he is with the Lord.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: He went on to be with the Lord after about five months.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: But this is where, again, I love, love to talk to those who are aspiring authors, especially or called creatives, and the Lord is calling you out because I was in corporate America and I remember that year after my dad had passed away in 2013.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, my first novel had just come out, and it felt like this is what I describe it as.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: It felt like a thumb on my heart, like God's thumb on my heart, like pressing, just a little bit more pressure, pressure.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't painful, but it got to the point where my husband and I had been praying for three to four years.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: God, what are you telling us to do?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: We knew he was telling us to be brave, to be bold.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I would not consider myself a brave, bold person.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of structured, I'm kind of rigid, you know, but he was he was applying this pressure and telling me to leave corporate America.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: And without the promise of where we're going, except the promises in scripture, like to trust him.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so it finally got to the point where I couldn't not respond anymore.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so my husband, um, being the supporter that he is, he very patiently listened when I finally, you know, I kind of baby cried all over his shoulder in the kitchen one day, and I just blubbered and said, I can't do this anymore.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: I have to respond to God.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he listened, he was very patient.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Well, I trust God and I believe in you.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: So let's do it.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: You can quit.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is not financial advice, but we we cashed out my we cashed out my 401k and I quit my I went in the next day and gave my two-week notice in this um corporate role that it had been my career for 15 years and all the stability, all the comfort, the the finances that you knew were going to be there, all of that stability gone.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: All of that is gone.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we just knew we had to follow our hearts.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so at the same time, after my dad had passed away, um, listeners, you can't see what I'm holding up, but I have my dad's Bible.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now, my dad, this is big for our family.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: My dad was saved and baptized at 60 years old.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he, yeah, and he went to see Jesus two years later.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: So he had two years with Jesus here, changing his heart.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so after he had passed away, we had three Bibles.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: We had one that my mom bought and, you know, when they were dating in the 70s.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And we I've laughed about this on podcast before because everybody can picture it.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's the burgundy leather covered, it's the gold pages.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it wasn't really used that much in all those years.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so then we had two other Bibles, and my mom gave one to my sister and said, you know, which one do you want?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, I want that one, the Nelson Study Bible, because that's my publishing family.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I want that one.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: I had no idea what was in the pages of this Bible.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And to this day, I won't touch it with a highlighter just because there are highlighter marks all over the Bible.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is the legacy, if you will, that we have of my dad's journey with the Lord.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: So by the time I leave corporate America and I jump out to do the one thing that I'd always wanted to do, which I never had time to do as a busy working mom, that was join a women's Bible study, join community around Jesus.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so I walk in, and here's where we get to verse mapping because I have this Bible and I walk into the Bible study and I realize two things very quickly.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: The first one was I do not know the Bible.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I told you I met Jesus at 16.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I didn't understand the Bible.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: And because I didn't understand it, the second thing was I wasn't choosing it.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was not choosing the word of God.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's our oxygen, it's our field manual for living, like this is alive and breathing, and this is the heart of God right here in my hands.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I not choosing it?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so I had this prayer.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: I want the Bible to be well traveled, but I didn't mean book signings and traveling around a conference, I meant well traveled in me for me, for my walk with him.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so then I had a friend who was in corporate America and she said, Well, I heard of this thing called verse mapping.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, What is verse mapping?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Never heard of it before.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I Googled it, and again, the the art aspect really appealed to me.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking at images of the art sense.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like because I'm a visual learner, because I even learned storyboarding and y'all Google storyboarding, not while you're driving, but yes, Google storyboarding at some point.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you will see it really has to do with the structure of stories and storytelling.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so visually, I looked at the Bible journaling and the art and the you know, the spider maps, or it's almost like an English class.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Can you all remember in English class when we had to do sentence diagramming?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, painfully, yes, yes, horrible.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't it do well?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like that.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: But then I thought, okay, but I have to do something that's gonna work for me.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I have to do something that I'm gonna understand.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so I again, the thing that I thought was dead and buried and gone, my corporate career, all those years that I spent in the structure of curriculum design and these design models, I thought, I want to do that with scripture.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I want to find the teaching material that is in, I want to go in the backdoor and go verse by verse by verse and say, I want to unpack this and I want to understand it.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, it was starting small, but it was just taking those design principles and using those and applying them to scripture.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then we get five easy steps out of it that you can apply to any verse.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just unpacking scripture and really making that story come alive.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I started.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love the story and just the I mean, talk about a powerful meaning behind it, your dad's legacy that I'm I hope this brings some hope on many levels.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I think of those who are praying for loved ones to know the Lord and to know that it doesn't have to, it won't be an insignificant encounter.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there was years your mom prayed for his salvation, and here he comes to know the Lord and in two years does maybe more than what some in a lifetime of living a Christian life have done in legacy by leaving that legacy to you.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then just for so many hundreds of thousands impacted by it.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: I just, yeah, there's a lot to meditate on.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I love this story.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love that um our friends can listen to this and just kind of chew on it a little bit.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I want to keep talking and I think we could talk all day because there's just a lot.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: I have like so many more questions.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, let's go to coffee and let's keep chatting.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I would love to, if you could give us a little bit of a rundown, paint a picture, because you know, you're an artist of what it looks like to obviously research what you have to offer as it relates to this journaling mapping process.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: But for us as women in our daily routine and getting in the Word, give us some encouragement, maybe three things that we could start doing that you would recommend or that you do that incorporates some of this method uh in the rhythm.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I will start with you can go to versemapping.com.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd love, we try to make it super simple because I want I really want to get to that part of the question for the encouragement for those of you who are listening who really need the encouragement.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Verse mapping.com.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can remember that.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go to go to verse mapping.com.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: We help you get started.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: We have a verse mapping one-on-one that takes you through these five steps, which is very quickly just to select your verse.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what is the Holy Spirit gonna teach me today?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: What's on my heart?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Select your verse.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: The second aspect is looking at the design of that verse over multiple translations, your favorite translations or paraphrases, you're gonna look at them side by side and you're gonna write that down.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Pick out so important.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and pick out those key words and phrases.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: It can be something you don't understand, it can be something that you want to unpack a little bit more, it can be something that you see the same word used over the four or five different translations.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it's looking at what is this verse really saying, the design of the verse.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: The third step is what fully develops the context of this verse.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's doing word studies again from those words that kind of took you down a path of research and curiosity and hey, I want to know a little bit more, doing Hebrew and Greek word studies.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hebrew for the Old Testament, Greek for the New Testament.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: The fourth step is the actions.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is where you actually retrain your mind to think like a researcher.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where the story comes alive.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that you're looking at what's happening on stage, so to speak, in that verse, right there in that verse, and then what's happening off stage in the verses before and after or the chapters before and after.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: What is the context?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, the historical context, which is huge to understand.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where I love to give an example and say, think of your favorite movie.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone who's listening, think of your favorite movie right now.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: And what drew you into the story of that movie?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Was it a really memorable, powerful plot?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Was it compelling characters?
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Was it the cinematography?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Was it the amazing process that you have that the journeys go through, you know, the journey for the characters?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: What was it that drew you in there that makes that story come alive?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you're doing with this piece of scripture, with this verse.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: You want to unpack the story.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: What would it have looked like, sounded like, smelled like, for example, to live in a first century Roman world?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the fourth step.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's the longest step.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last step, the fifth step, is the outcome.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: This should be super simple, one to two lines.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is what God taught me.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is how I plan to use it in my life.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you should be able to put it on a post-it note.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're taking all of that knowledge that you gained and you are putting it into practice in your life, in your community, and your sphere of influence.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: So that's verse mapping.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: We have we'll help you get started at verse mapping.com with a verse mapping 101.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: We'll help you get linked with the tools and the resources that you need, like our verse mapping Bibles that we're talking about today, uh, verse mapping Bible study journal.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: We also have verse mapping uh specific studies on verse mapping Luke and verse mapping acts.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then we also want to get you surrounded with community.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where I want to get to this encouragement piece that is so huge.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: You can join our yeah, you can join our study community.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're actually mapping the Bible in 2021.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: So great.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: At the time of this call, we're starting February 1st.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you may have to jump in if you're a little bit later.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: This will air, this will air just before you'll have like 10 days before.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you're good.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so y'all have time to to get started.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: And but for the encouragement piece, I love to try to share that process, that journey that I had, and maybe some of the trip and fall moments, if you will, to try to encourage other sisters.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: A couple of things that I would say about this, whether it is your writing journey, your calling, or getting into the word of God, don't be afraid to start small.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: That is huge to remember that if you can walk away from one verse mapping experience or one writing experience, you've probably heard it said often, you can't edit a blank page.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can't have connection from a blank page.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay to start small and have some blank spaces, but if you can walk away from one verse mapping experience and you've learned one thing, you have one prayer that you had with God, you had one promise in the story of scripture that God has proven to be faithful and good and true.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you can walk away with one thing, you learn one thing, it's worth it.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you'll find that that five minutes becomes 10, becomes 45 minutes, becomes a couple of hours, becomes this map is now six pages long and it's spreading over multiple days, and you're excited to tell everybody about what you're learning in God's right.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's where it goes.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: So don't be afraid to start small.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: The second thing is to be bold.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: And what I mean by that is especially for those of you who might be like me, maybe you're an Enneagram four wing three, maybe you're a mega introvert like I am, and maybe you don't feel brave and bold, but be bold and obey.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Obey what God is telling you, wherever He's telling you to step out, whatever He's telling you to do, if He's telling you to go and get in community somewhere, but you've been hurt in the past and you're afraid to do that, girl.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've been there.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've been there a few times.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Be brave and bold enough to obey.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think the third thing that I would say, this doesn't sound super fun, but it's really fun when you dig it, dig deep into it, is to embrace discipline.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know that word.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like nobody wants, it's kind of like when I talk about history and I'm like such a history nerd and I find it so fascinating and riveting, and people are like, oh, wait, no.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was on another podcast and we had a great conversation about that.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like when they heard the word history, they were kind of like, oh no, this is this is not the bin.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you can uh change it up and say, Oh, the lady wore a vintage Chanel, the people lean in and they're like, Oh, tell me more.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me more.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, it's it's all in the way that you frame the discipline.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: If you make it a priority, I was on staff at a church a year or so ago, and I had these NIV verse mapping Bibles project, and I was also writing a novel, which turned out to be the Painted Castle that just won the Christie Award for 2020.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like shocking.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations! Well, thank you.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: But but just shocking how much discipline that time.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: So protect your time with the Lord.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I woke up at 4:30 every morning and it was coffee and time with the Lord together.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then it was writing sprints for one to two hours every single day before work, writing sprints.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: And and I remember the first day that I woke up and I rolled over and I hit the snooze, and it was like the Lord spoke to my heart.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, if you're gonna do this, you have to be disciplined.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's really important that you protect the time.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: And friends, it could be five minutes.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not kidding.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: It could be five minutes before your kids wake up for their homeschool e-learning experience, or five minutes before that Zoom call.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: But authentically, give every bit of your heart to Jesus in whatever time you have.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you will find that if you embrace discipline in that way, you are going to find your relationship with him just really thrives out of it.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Christy, this is so powerful.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: I have loved every minute.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's gone by too fast.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is rich, rich, rich.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I cannot wait for everyone to get to hear this conversation and put feet to these um just calls to action that you've given us.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's doable and it's possible with the Lord's help because he wants it for us.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, friend, if a wholehearted rhythm of writing is for me and for Christy, I promise it is also for you.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: I hope that you find time to write more, whether it's the word of God for five minutes, your story, or just process your thoughts.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Take time to do this important practice and this rhythm for a wholehearted year.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you found this episode insightful, I would love it if you would share it with a friend or two and leave a review.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: If you happen to share a podcast or picture or shout out on the socials, I'd really love it if you would tag me at Simply Wholehearted and Christy Cameron or Verse Mapping so we can give you a proper thank you.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: Next week will be the beginning of a long lineup of solo episodes specifically created to guide moms like you through the Enneagram.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to share all the goodness that I have been working on.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: So until next time, continue to pursue perspective, purpose, and plans for Ace Simply Wholehearted Life.