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PODCAST: Episode 852 - Evoken’s Vince Verkay Talks Seventh Album Mendacium and Dark Intentions · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  But the second thing I noticed too were a lot of people who
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  were never, I guess we like had a faith or a religion.
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  Suddenly I was reading countless of them coming up.
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  I just started to pray today. I never believed in the Bible.
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  I never believed in the apocalypse.
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  But today I believe and I started praying and I'm going to
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  pray every day that I'm alive from this point forward and how
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  far I can make it. I was blown away how easily they
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  were skewed towards something just out of intense fear.
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  It really, it blew my mind. I was like, wow, that's all it
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  took for them to completely. All of a sudden I found out.
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  I was amazed by that. I was like, I couldn't believe
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  people. And it was a lot of people all
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  over the world. So that really got the ball
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  rolled. What's up everybody, it's Kefi
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  at ghostcultman.com back with another interview.
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  I am super stoked to talk to Vince from Evoking.
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  How are you doing today, Sir? Good, it's one more day closer
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  to Friday. You know, there's been very few
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  bad Fridays in my entire life. Yeah, but they go so quick
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  because by Friday night I'm like, man, it's gonna be Sunday
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  night before I know that. The Sunday Scary's come earlier
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  and earlier the older you get. This is a thing we they need to
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  teach school children and teenagers.
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  Like get ready, the thing you did.
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  The Sunday Scary's are real, probably real realistic for
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  school too. Why are we hanging out and
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  chatting today? You have a brand new album
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  coming out on Profound Lore Records.
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  Man dot Hume. Hopefully I said that correctly.
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  I didn't have a lot of time to practice.
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  You're a long time artist. You, you know, followed your
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  career for a bit and this record is super interesting.
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  Not just, you know, every band says this latest record is my
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  favorite or our best, but definitely most interesting is
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  100% applicable concept record. It's not super far-flung.
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  It has a strange thread through it that were like just very
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  telling about today even. Let's delve into this, if you
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  don't mind giving a quick overview of the concept of the
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  record for our viewers and listeners.
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  Yeah. Sure, absolutely.
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  Well, the protagonist is a 14th century Benedictine monk who's
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  elderly, very sick. He's confined to the cell that
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  he's in. He, he has only the only thing
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  he can feel any peace from. He's, he's not letting go of
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  this life yet feels that he'll leave it in God's hand.
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  So his only sense of peace and comfort are his chemical hours,
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  hours of prayer. But one morning when he wakes up
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  to start his daily, uh, kind of, you know, prayers.
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  Imagine that peace, that calm that he was feeling as a direct
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  connection to God was just completely subjugated by
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  something that he could feel. He could sense it, a heaviness
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  to him, like something sucked all the air out, replaced it
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  with fear. And this thing that he
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  perceives, this thing comes through a tear in reality and
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  attacks the very thing that he felt he had some sort of, I
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  don't want to say control, but it was his stability.
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  And that was to remove the ability to observe the 8
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  tentacle hours by coming to him every hour and reminding him of
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  everything that he hold held back throughout his life.
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  The wrongs that were done to him, the lies that were taught
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  to him and he's taught to others.
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  In order for the lyrics to make sense, I had to come up with
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  something like as a preface, as kind of something the book and
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  everything to make the give context to the lyrics.
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  So you'll see in the the layout there's a letter to Pope Clement
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  the 6th from the Abbot of the of the monastery and that'll tie
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  into the lyrics. It'll make the lyrics have a
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  little more context. It'll give a little more context
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  to the album cover as. Well, that's huge and very, you
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  know, very, dare I say deep. Do you have like a more than
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  passing interest in religion or this time in the world?
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  What a what a super cool and, you know, specific concept for
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  the record. A little bit of everything.
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  I I went to Catholic school. There's nothing he, you can
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  show, they don't want to show kids horror movies, but if you
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  walk into a church, it's good. It's some of them glorious
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  things you'll see, you know, like people NASA crosses and
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  such. Umm, but what really fascinated
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  me, what started me on that the, the whole idea was, uh, early on
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  in the pandemic, they had a YouTube channel and on this
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  YouTube channel, it looked like the Olympics.
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  They had country, they had people infected with COVID.
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  It was like in the beginning of lockdown, uh, people fatalities,
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  I guess you'll call it, people that have recovered.
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  And then they had a list of countries with the most at the
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  very top and big below that, there was a chat.
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  There were thousands of people in this chat room from all over
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  the world. And I noticed two things.
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  One was a lot of parents who had to stay strong for their spouse,
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  for their kids, for their parents, for who, you know,
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  whoever was close to them, they felt the sense of, uh, they had
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  the ability to express how they truly felt in that chat room,
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  which was scared. They didn't they're worried
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  about their if they died, their kids becoming foster foster
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  kids. But the second thing I noticed
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  too were a lot of people who were never, I guess we like had
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  a faith or religion. Suddenly I was reading countless
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  of them coming up. I just started to pray today.
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  I never believed in the Bible. I never believed in the
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  apocalypse. But today I believe and I
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  started praying and I'm going to pray every day that I'm alive
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  from this point forward and how far I can make it.
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  I was blown away how easily they were skewed towards something
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  just out of intense fear. It really, it blew my mind.
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  I was like, wow, that's all it took for them to completely all
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  of a sudden I found out. I was amazed by that.
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  I was like I couldn't people and it was a lot all over the world,
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  so that really got the ball rolled.
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  Fascinating, fascinating stuff there.
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  And, you know, it's not the first pandemic in world history
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  and it won't be the last. It's just the first one in the
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  Western world that we really experienced.
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  I think back to my my grandmother would tell us about
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  like a decade where they all wore masks and she had TB and
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  luckily beat it. She was a tough lady.
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  But yes, super interesting, right?
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  Yeah. Like this.
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  This is really interesting. There's a great quote in the
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  press materials for the album that says the capacity of
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  passion is both cruel and divine.
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  But George Sand and I thought this was super interesting in
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  terms of just the construction of the album, the, the, the
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  titles of the song, the pacing, the album artwork, even just so
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  many directions to go. I want to thank you and shout
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  out the album artwork because a lot of times when it comes to
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  comparative religion and a study of, you know, religiosity
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  against the worldview, these album covers from most death
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  metal bands are horrifying. And I get screwed for sharing
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  them on videos and things that we do to promote new music every
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  week from underground bands. And this album is very, it's
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  very ominous, but it's very subtle.
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  And I thank you and your artist. That's worthless.
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  He did a great job. Just gave him the lyrics, the
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  back story, it had some a couple details, the music and he ran
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  with it and he did something cool like if you look at the
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  album cover in order, he needed a stand in to have something
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  that he can use as while he's painting.
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  So that room that's there, that's actually in his basement
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  and he to where the monk is, he had a skeleton.
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  He took the skeleton and he posed it in the way you see the
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  monk is and he put AI forget what book it was.
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  He put this giant book on a holder on the floor and he took
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  pictures of it and then use that as a kind of like a template to
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  look at while he was painting everything.
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  So the doorway where the sunlights coming in that pale
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  light. That's actually another room in
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  his basement in the photo, but he obviously he painted it to
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  the outside. Super cool.
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  I love it so much. And maybe, maybe the blood will
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  catch the AI overlords. Hopefully we can skate under
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  their radar. But other than that, yeah, it's
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  extremely powerful. And again, just like staring at
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  the album cover and listening to the record, it's like it really
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  does the work for you, for your brain, which I love.
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  Thank you. That's great.
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  That's great. And, you know, obviously I, I
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  don't know if you wrote these songs in order or if they just
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  kind of took shape and you sequenced them a certain way,
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  but clearly there's a journey here.
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  The album is meant to be listened to all in ago, which,
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  you know, I'm a fan of. I still listen to albums.
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  I was listening to whole albums. For the longest time, I'm not a
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  fan of Dingles. And I love concept records, so I
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  wanted to ask you if, you know, getting ready to do this or as
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  you were writing this, were there any specific concept
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  records that you revisited from the past that you enjoyed or
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  that you're a particular fan of in life?
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  I mean, I was always a fan, you know, you have Iron Maiden who
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  are notorious for that. No, not notorious, but, but
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  actually it was some I really wasn't even planning on it being
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  a concept album until all the music was finished and I was
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  able to sit down and listen to rehearsals that we record on our
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  cell phones to get a general idea of what what I was just to
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  get some sort of atmosphere, like what's what am I getting
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  from this? Am I getting a certain time
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  period? Is it modern?
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  Is it medieval? Is it older?
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  So the music really shaped a lot of that.
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  But the story, the foundation of the story actually started back
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  in on Otter Moore's because I was really down a rabbit hole
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  about the Black Death, bubonic plague.
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  And I tend to write, I'll put things in my phone I come across
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  at any point in time if I'm going down gravel and I'm like,
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  oh, that's interesting. I'm going to make a note of that
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  and then I'll forget about it. So there were a lot of notes
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  that I had from Otter Moore's and I was just like, I'm feeling
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  this one listening to these songs.
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  It feels like this atmosphere and it feels like something's
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  going on here. And I went back to my phone to
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  look and I was just like, I remember that.
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  So I was like, let me go with that.
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  I just had to find a way to merge that with the lyrics, to
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  give the lyrics context. I wasn't even really thinking of
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  concept when I when I started writing the lyrics and
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  everything. It was just like, OK, wanted to
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  set an atmosphere, but then it just kind of took a life of its
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  own right on. By the way, don't second guess
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  yourself. Iron Maiden has, what, 17 albums
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  in 45 years? 50 love the band, 45 years on
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  record and they have four or five concept records.
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  It's OK. That is notorious.
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  Yeah, that's five. That's, you know, that's, that's
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  quite a #5. Is a number.
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  You know, so good, good shit there, man, Like you know for
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  sure, man, You know, I'm I'm partial a power slave and
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  somewhere in time in terms of the concept records, but you
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  know, because souls is not bad and I love sijitsu.
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  I'm number one guy that really loved.
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  That yeah, yeah, man. How can you not, you know, it's
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  not going to be the same when they're not around and they
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  retired. But yeah, man, what a what a
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  super cool record. And just then, personally, was
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  there anything that writing this record and completing this
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  record did for you in terms of your worldview or your opinion
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  of faithful, faithful people or this story that this says, you
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  know, change anything for you at all through the process?
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  Yeah, it kind of it opened my eyes to don't not take even
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  don't appeal to authority, Don't take someone.
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  Just because someone's an expert in something doesn't make them
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  always right. And sometimes some of them will
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  be nefarious. I would say it allowed me
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  because there was a lot of things going on with the band
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  too at the time with different members, having parents get sick
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  and dying, friends dying. It was on a constant roller
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  coaster. But it really, it just opened my
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  eyes to like, you know what take, I guess learn on your own.
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  Don't take people's words for it and, you know, educate yourself
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  on whatever it is that you need to, you know, find out about.
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  Don't rely on others. That really opened the this game
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  and the opportunity to go, you know, really that I felt that
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  way before, but now I really feel that.
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  Nice. That's good reinforcement
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  through your own creative outlets.
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  You know, in addition to this record, I feel like in the
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  artwork you took some risks. Let's say that most bands in the
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  genre, the heaviest genres of music, don't take.
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  I love this music video. It's super compelling and it
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  helps I think, you know, kind of illustrate not just the track
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  none, but the whole record. I wanted you to talk about.
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  It's like, I think the first actual official music video from
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  the band. It's not like a lyric video.
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  Yeah, now it's uh, well, it took this a little bit for like 30
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  plus years, but yeah, it was, it was like I was always opposed to
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  doing music videos because I didn't see a point in them the
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  past few years. It was just like, you kind of
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  have to know, you know, like everybody's so visually
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  stimulated as far as, uh, things are concerned, even with music.
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  So we were just like, you know, let's let's, you know, let's do
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  a video. We had no idea how to hell to do
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  it. Who you go to do it.
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  We went to Ron Bumblefoot to see like, hey, how do we do?
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  How do we even approach this shit?
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  And you know, he gave us some ideas and then a friend of our
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  Rob, Rob Nelson, who also does our sound guy, he plays drums in
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  negative playing his wife Ava, a sweetheart.
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  She turns out she does music videos.
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  She he's been doing it for a while.
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  She knows people in the industry that have high end equipment
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  that were willing to do it. Think one of them even was a fan
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  of the music and she was just like, you know, I'll put
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  together kind of like a storyboard, an idea.
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  I have the crew, it's going to be very high ends.
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  It's going to be shot cinematically.
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  I have the two actors that are in it.
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  And if it wasn't for her, that budget would have been way out
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  of her. We would never have been able to
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  afford a video like that in any way.
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  It probably would have been like a lyric, have we not?
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  As long as it's not AI, not AI. But yeah, it's really cool to
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  see, like to experience and see how things are done.
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  It's amazing. Like you got to play, but you
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  know, you're playing to the backtrack.
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  So you got to kind of, you got to look like you're playing, but
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  you can't really play, play especially you're in a church.
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  So it's like, what are you going to do?
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  But I at least I got to sit in a Pew, but I never thought I'd be
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  in a church. Would it be here just watching
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  somebody like it was a show? Amazing.
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  Yeah. Shout out to Ava for that video
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  and the incredible photo of the band from that video shoot.
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  Probably the coolest video, probably the coolest band photo
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  ever. And it's not just like a bunch
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  of severe looking upset guys in black.
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  Weren't even planning. She was just like, okay band
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  photos like. Sick.
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  Yeah, it's great. It's so it's so killer and it's
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  probably something I think if you've been a longtime follower
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  even of the label. Most bands on underground labels
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  don't get to do a video this good looking and this cool
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  looking. And you can bands, you know,
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  rely on yourselves and network with your friends and and don't
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  do AI, please. If you can get real artists to
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  do artwork. If you can do real videos, do
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  them. I know, I know it's expensive
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  and hard to do be be in a band at any level, but you know, I'm
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  urging people just don't get lazy about AI is useful machine
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  learning. We've been doing it a long time.
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  But like, let's be real, you know, keep it real as they say.
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  Shout out to bumblefoot man. We've interviewed Ron.
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  He's wonderful. What did you I love?
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  Him. Yeah, what did you get from this
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  experience of him and getting to know him and work with him on
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  your music? Cuz you know, as again, band's
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  been around a long time, a lot of records, a lot of you know,
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  like different producers, but Ron is definitely, you know,
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  could do anything right. He's so gifted as a as an artist
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  and a musician. Super cool.
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  In the he's got everything. It's crazy.
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  Yeah. Ron, Ron, I I love that guy to
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  death. He is a an amazing human being.
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  Yes, he's a virtuoso guitarist, amazing recording engineer, an
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  amazing singer. But the most important is he's
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  an amazing human being, an amazing friend.
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  It had we worked with him for the first three album and then
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  he went and, excuse me, joined Guns and Roses.
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  So obviously we didn't have them anymore.
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  But, you know, he came back and he was doing recordings again,
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  and we were just, I got in touch with him, like, you know, we're
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  looking to record the next record.
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  He was like, yes, let's do it, you know?
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  Absolutely. And he called me like, you know,
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  what are you setting up with, You know, what apps you use when
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  drums are using? Really excited, you know, And
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  he, yeah, he could do anything. He plays on the album.
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  He does an acoustic guitar on Prime, and he does a cello on.
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  I think it's terse and he just has really interesting ideas,
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  the way he goes about things like a mad scientist.
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  But he's down to earth. He has not changed nothing of
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  being, you know, on these huge stages with Guns and Roses or
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  his album Simon's Face, having Brian May on air.
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  And it's like he's still the same run that we knew 20 years
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  ago before so. And he bought a lot of
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  interesting ideas that we hadn't hadn't had a or tried to do
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  before. So yeah, he's a wealth of
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  knowledge. Yeah, Ron rules.
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  We got to interview him. I'm a huge music nerd, of
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  course, and got to talk shop with him and talk about his own
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  records and his solo stuff's very heavy for people who you
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  know, I mean, you know, he's been in some killer super groups
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  and stuff. I know Sons of Apollo is kind of
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  done now, but like he is, he's got some very, he likes a lot of
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  heavy, heavy music. People don't think think of him
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  like that because I think the personality is so huge.
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  The Guitar Hero shred guys don't understand that.
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  But he's a fan of all music, especially heavy music, which is
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  great just. I was like, you know, the, The
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  funny thing I was asked like, you know how, how does that
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  work? Like, you know, you guys, Ron is
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  like a virtuoso, you guys, you know, this metal band.
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  And I was like, maybe it's because the person who can, you
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  know, you have one person that can play anything, shred, fly up
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  and down the neck of a guitar at will, pair it up with the most
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  the least complex guitar players where it's just no, you know,
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  very simple and slow. I think maybe that those two
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  things combined, you know, work well together, I guess.
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  Yeah, well, I mean, I think he's a person that appreciates the
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  art that other people make, right, Like that get too into my
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  head about it. But I think he's just a guy.
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  His music has been his whole life for so long.
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  And I know that you, you, we all come across those guys.
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  And like when you can't play 1000 notes and shake, you didn't
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  even appreciate, you know, funeral, you know, death metal,
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  doom metal, funeral doom, whatever you want to.
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  Genre tags are for journalists, by the way, not for fans.
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  But like, we're nerds and we need everything, you know, baby
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  food spoon to us in a high chair because we can't, you know, form
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  shit if we don't get it told to us what it is.
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  But, you know, you can appreciate just good music,
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  whether whatever it is, you know?
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  Yeah, man. And Ron is one of those people.
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  He just breathes music right. I'm so glad you got to go back
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  and work with him again. He's such a.
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  Yeah, we are too. We are too.
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  Yeah. We're gonna go out to dinner, I
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  think the the night or the night after the album just to
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  celebrate their album release. So I'm looking forward to that.
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  Sick, man sick. Is there any?
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  I know this is getting kind of a little in the woods and cliche
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  and woo woo, but is there any chance that maybe some someone
• 19:55
  can enable you to do this record like live as a whole piece?
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  Is that possible? We're up to anything.
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  Be quite honest with you, you know, give us enough time to
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  just work on the songs. They're they're the most they're
• 20:08
  they're fresh in our mind. As opposed to like Quietest or
• 20:11
  Antithesis. Yeah.
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  I mean, we're not unopposed to doing that at all.
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  I would love to do that. I have ideas for visuals on
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  stage that I want to try and implement this next go around,
• 20:22
  touring and playing shows. So we'll see what happens.
• 20:25
  Right on. I'm going to wish it into
• 20:27
  existence. Decibel Metal and Beer Fest, any
• 20:29
  of those, or Rd. Burn over in Europe, which we
• 20:32
  are big fans of and I've covered those would be the ideal places
• 20:36
  that would put that together. Yeah, Rd.
• 20:38
  Burn was one. I mean, it's such a really tight
• 20:43
  ship within and Walter is just an amazing, you know, amazing
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  guy. I mean, he didn't have to invite
• 20:49
  us because we were initially invited in 2010 when Tom G
• 20:53
  Warrior was, uh, curating a day. He got in touch with us and say,
• 20:56
  hey, would you guys be interested in playing the day
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  that I'm curating? Absolutely.
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  Are you kidding me? But then the volcano blew up and
• 21:04
  then that all went to hell. And then Walter invited us back
• 21:07
  the next year. Despite that he was, you know,
• 21:09
  he still bought us back over the next year, which is he didn't
• 21:12
  have to do. Walter's incredible, Tom G is
• 21:14
  incredible. These are all people have been
• 21:16
  lucky somehow. What a strange puzzle piece all
• 21:19
  these things coming together for my career in my life, but really
• 21:23
  cool. Walter is one of my favorite
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  people in the whole world and what he's given the world cannot
• 21:28
  be duplicated or implicated anywhere.
• 21:30
  It's incredible. Rd.
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  Burns very special to us. We were founded as a scene in
• 21:35
  the Netherlands basically to cover Rd.
• 21:37
  Burn and avant-garde underground metal.
• 21:40
  And then I kind of came in and like, let's cover thrash metal
• 21:44
  and let's cover new metal and let's cover punk rock.
• 21:46
  But that's because, you know, again, journalists very middle
• 21:49
  aisle of the supermarket. Last good question for you,
• 21:52
  Vince. You've been terrific, man.
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  Most people don't have this kind of honesty and in touch with
• 21:58
  their art, you know? And not pretentious at all.
• 22:00
  I really appreciate you. You're fantastic, man.
• 22:03
  We're gonna release this. This album comes out in October.
• 22:06
  Again. My lizard brain is like, ask
• 22:08
  this guy what horror movies he likes.
• 22:09
  What's your favorite horror movie ever, if you have one?
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  Oh God, I mean, I'm a fan of like there's a move, an Italian
• 22:17
  horror movie called Cemetery. Man, I love that movie.
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  Of course, the original Night of the Living Dead, you know, the
• 22:25
  original Nosferatu, Phantom of the Opera, you know, first
• 22:29
  Friday the 13th. There's there's so many of them.
• 22:33
  There's ones that are so bad. I don't even remember the title.
• 22:36
  I remember God had me like 2530 years ago where I was sitting
• 22:40
  with my friends watching this horror movie and you could see
• 22:43
  the guy with the bucket. There was like a bucket, like
• 22:45
  off screen like to the woman was being slaughtered on the ground
• 22:50
  and you just see it just the edge of the fucking just throw
• 22:53
  the blood into the IT was like that bad, but it was so good.
• 22:56
  It was that. Bad I love.
• 22:58
  I love the B movies and the B horror movies.
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  There, there. There's some charm about them
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  that makes them kind of pure in their own way.
• 23:06
  They're not high concept art, but they're, you know where
• 23:10
  their heart is, right? Literally and figuratively,
• 23:13
  where their heart is in making low grade horror movies.
• 23:16
  There's something about it. But yeah, Cemetery Man's
• 23:18
  incredible. I saw that.
• 23:19
  Probably also way too young, at an impressionable age.
• 23:22
  I should not have seen it. Show that to children and see
• 23:26
  you're gonna, you know. Anyhow, Vince from Evoking, what
• 23:30
  a awesome, fun conversation. Thank you so much for this
• 23:32
  record, man dot Jim is coming out on Profound Lore Records
• 23:36
  October 17th and just a pleasure.
• 23:39
  I hope to see you on the road. Will you come out on tour?
• 23:42
  We'll cover you wherever we can in the world.
• 23:44
  I'd be very proud to once again see you guys and thank you for
• 23:48
  everything. Yeah, Thank you, man.
• 23:50
  We'll be out there. There's gates coming.
• 23:52
  Take care man, we'll see you soon.
• 23:53
  Thanks man, feel better bro. Thank you, I will.