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- 0:26What is going on, everybody?
- 0:27Welcome to Thursday Night CrossFit Talk.
- 0:31And we have a new member.
- 0:33Woo!
- 0:35She's always been a member of the family.
- 0:37You just signed up.
- 0:39Good official.
- 0:42Thank you so much, Holly.
- 0:43We appreciate you in so many ways.
- 0:46You're the best.
- 0:50So,
- 0:50I just got done watching a really
- 0:54interesting movie.
- 0:56called okay I haven't heard
- 0:59of it so it's about the uh
- 1:04game stop stock market
- 1:07thing of like and while I
- 1:11was going on I never like
- 1:12dove into it what was going
- 1:15on and all that kind of
- 1:15stuff so to go back and like um
- 1:20and to see what transpired
- 1:23and why it transpired.
- 1:25Fascinating stuff.
- 1:28I have heard good things.
- 1:30It was really good.
- 1:32So a little recommendation.
- 1:34It's on Netflix now.
- 1:36Dumb money.
- 1:38Really good.
- 1:38Check out.
- 1:41So.
- 1:43Hey, Sarah.
- 1:43Hey, Andrew.
- 1:45And I did start Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
- 1:49We watched that.
- 1:50Yep.
- 1:51We watched it.
- 1:52Did you do the whole thing?
- 1:53We did.
- 1:54So I'm like three episodes in?
- 1:56Yeah.
- 1:57Man, it's wacky.
- 2:02Yeah.
- 2:03It's interesting.
- 2:05Yeah.
- 2:06It's no Reacher.
- 2:08No.
- 2:09But yeah,
- 2:10we'll probably finish it off this
- 2:12weekend.
- 2:13Yeah.
- 2:16But yeah,
- 2:18I was lukewarm on the original
- 2:19movie with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.
- 2:22So I didn't know whether to
- 2:23go in on the series.
- 2:26It was really good.
- 2:28So I have heard that that opening scene,
- 2:32it was Alexander Skarsgård
- 2:35and the woman are supposed
- 2:37to be Brad and Angelina.
- 2:40They just obviously couldn't get them.
- 2:41But I think that's supposed to be them.
- 2:44Oh, okay.
- 2:45Gotcha.
- 2:48Sort of makes sense.
- 2:49So it ends that story and begins.
- 2:53Yeah.
- 2:56So we've had a tough week as hosts.
- 3:02We have.
- 3:03So quick update on the
- 3:06Jamie's shoulder and Scott's lungs.
- 3:09We'll start with Jamie's
- 3:10shoulder because I have a big question.
- 3:12You found out this week,
- 3:14and you're okay with me
- 3:16sharing what you found out?
- 3:17It is what it is.
- 3:18Yeah, it's fine.
- 3:19That you have a tear.
- 3:21Yeah.
- 3:22And it's in the labrum?
- 3:24Yep.
- 3:27But you're going to go ahead
- 3:27and compete this year regardless?
- 3:29Yeah.
- 3:30Yeah.
- 3:32So I'm watching your YouTube
- 3:33video of you doing toaster
- 3:35bar thrusters and clean and jerk.
- 3:40And you are wearing an
- 3:41apparatus that goes over your shoulder.
- 3:45Does that stabilize it or is
- 3:48it just makes you feel better?
- 3:50I think it does sort of, um,
- 3:55it's a Sully shoulder brace.
- 3:57Like it's a big, like,
- 3:59tight neoprene thing that
- 4:00with velcro um I probably
- 4:03need to get better at
- 4:04there's like two extra
- 4:05straps that come with it to
- 4:08like either either like if
- 4:10you want to like have it
- 4:11like pronated more pulled
- 4:13back or whatever um I just
- 4:16we need to do you know do
- 4:18some more youtube on it to
- 4:20see how to like
- 4:22put those straps on.
- 4:23She showed us real quick how
- 4:24to do the one.
- 4:25And then I got to the gym the next day.
- 4:27Well, I got to the gym next day and I was,
- 4:30and I texted her and I'm like warming up.
- 4:31I was like, I left the brace at home,
- 4:33didn't I?
- 4:34He's like, yep, sitting right here.
- 4:36So he brought it over right
- 4:38after I'd finished the workout that day.
- 4:40Um,
- 4:41but I wore it for like the whole rest
- 4:42of the stuff.
- 4:43I had some strength stuff to do and stuff.
- 4:44Um,
- 4:46and we couldn't remember how to put the
- 4:47one strap on.
- 4:47So I've just been kind of holding,
- 4:49having this, the sleeve on.
- 4:51Um, but,
- 4:52yeah I mean I guess I'd say
- 4:54it's pretty tight so I
- 4:55guess I'd say it kind of
- 4:56anchors it in there but
- 4:57like I didn't feel like it
- 4:58did anything for toes to
- 5:00bar and toes to bar was
- 5:01like the one thing that
- 5:01hurt it so I probably could
- 5:05just like get some kinesio
- 5:07tape too and get a similar
- 5:09effect um but do I want to
- 5:11get that taped all the time
- 5:12I don't know I don't I mean
- 5:13wearing this is cumbersome
- 5:15as well but it is what it
- 5:17is if it's gonna help me like
- 5:20not feel like it's going to
- 5:21come out of socket.
- 5:22Um, then I'll, I'll wear it for now.
- 5:25Like I remember a couple opens ago,
- 5:31I did something to my knee,
- 5:34had to wear like a neoprene
- 5:35brace with straps and all that, man.
- 5:38It's, it does stabilize the knee,
- 5:40but then like you have no mobility.
- 5:45Yeah.
- 5:47Yeah, if I put the extra strap on,
- 5:49I'm kind of curious how
- 5:49much that'll limit my mobility.
- 5:52I mean, I was able to do the total bar.
- 5:53I was able to do snatches
- 5:55with it on like two days ago.
- 5:58So it's not like it's
- 6:00completely restricting me.
- 6:03But I've done quite several
- 6:08ring muscle-ups with no pain.
- 6:10So I don't know.
- 6:14We'll just keep doing the little...
- 6:16all my little shoulder
- 6:17exercises every day and
- 6:20hope that's enough.
- 6:21So right now,
- 6:22the only time you feel it is toes to bar.
- 6:25I sort of feel it when I do
- 6:26cleans that like that drive
- 6:29through it's pulling here.
- 6:31Um, and so like front squats, um, yeah,
- 6:38stuff like that.
- 6:41Well,
- 6:41I'm two days into antibiotics on my
- 6:46infected lungs.
- 6:48And...
- 6:50Still feel pretty shitty,
- 6:52but I feel less shitty than
- 6:54I did on Tuesday.
- 6:55So Cheryl kind of challenged
- 6:59me to try to get to 20 to
- 7:0130 minutes on the bike to
- 7:03drink a cup to two cups of
- 7:05bone broth a day.
- 7:09Finally got some bone broth.
- 7:11Like everybody was out of it.
- 7:12I was having a hard time finding it.
- 7:15And then I actually got
- 7:18recipes from people
- 7:22Love y'all,
- 7:23but I don't think I'm going to
- 7:25take some chicken's feet
- 7:27and put into my Instapot to
- 7:29make my own bone broth.
- 7:30But, you know, if we get desperate again.
- 7:37That actually comes up in
- 7:38Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
- 7:41Okay.
- 7:43They're speaking to you.
- 7:46So first day I got 15
- 7:49minutes in and then the
- 7:51lungs just said no more.
- 7:53Today I got 20.
- 7:55So five more minutes.
- 7:57So I got to that today.
- 7:59So it's getting a little bit
- 8:01better every day.
- 8:01But like when I hit the end there,
- 8:04there is no more.
- 8:07Like, it just, there's nothing left.
- 8:09So just trying to build it up each day.
- 8:11And I'm doing more around the house, like,
- 8:15freely.
- 8:17But I ran the vacuum,
- 8:21emptied out the thing, and it, like,
- 8:23blew up, and then I was done.
- 8:26So...
- 8:30yeah so carolyn tomorrow I'm
- 8:33going to go for 25. I'm
- 8:35going to try to do another
- 8:37five and hopefully then by
- 8:39saturday I have full 30 and
- 8:41I can do that for a couple
- 8:41days that's the goal and
- 8:46it's supposed to be like 60
- 8:48degrees here so here's your
- 8:52weather's just starting to
- 8:53warm up uh it was nice
- 8:56today uh it was warmer yesterday not like
- 9:00know beach weather or
- 9:01anything but you know we're
- 9:04getting there darn near it
- 9:05felt like yeah it was like
- 9:0760 here today but it's
- 9:08going right back down to 40
- 9:09over the next it's gonna be
- 9:11like 39 next week 40 this
- 9:12weekend so yeah I think we
- 9:15have 60s through saturday
- 9:17oh lucky so so there's that
- 9:22that's where we're at we're
- 9:24we're chugging along
- 9:25hopefully next week much much better
- 9:29Follow up with my doctor on Monday.
- 9:31We'll get some more details on that.
- 9:35I hope these antibiotics
- 9:38just do their job and get
- 9:41you back on the right track.
- 9:42I really think that whatever this is,
- 9:45is what's been like my
- 9:47underlying problem other
- 9:48than the sinus for a while.
- 9:51And so I don't think it's
- 9:52just something that just occurred.
- 9:54Right.
- 9:58So here we are.
- 9:59So we have a major
- 10:00announcement that I have to
- 10:02get better for.
- 10:04Yeah.
- 10:08So excited about this.
- 10:09We are teaming up with Thick Boy Apparel,
- 10:15who Jamie is sporting right now.
- 10:20And they're going to start
- 10:21making our apparel,
- 10:23our Clydesdale Media apparel.
- 10:26And it'll be cool if we can
- 10:27like advance that into
- 10:29merchandising some of that
- 10:30out a little bit.
- 10:35But one of the cool things
- 10:37that's happening this year
- 10:38is they are building out in
- 10:42their booth a podcast area.
- 10:48And we will be doing our
- 10:50podcast live from their
- 10:52booth at different events.
- 10:57including the 2024 Arnold
- 11:01here in Columbus.
- 11:05So 70,000 people on a
- 11:06Saturday at the Arnold,
- 11:09and we're going to be doing
- 11:10our podcast live.
- 11:12What's going to be unique
- 11:13about this and where we're
- 11:15going to need your help is
- 11:17the Arnold has like 150
- 11:20different sporting events
- 11:22that they will have going
- 11:25on at the Arnold.
- 11:28And we don't want to do just
- 11:29CrossFit shows.
- 11:31We want to highlight some of
- 11:32the other things going on
- 11:34at the Arnold in fitness
- 11:36and in the fitness space.
- 11:38So if there's anything
- 11:39you're super interested in,
- 11:40shoot me a DM and we'll try
- 11:42to get some people on to talk about that.
- 11:46Oh, Andrew will be there.
- 11:47Yeah.
- 11:52We'll have to bring them over.
- 11:54Yeah.
- 11:57Will you be there through
- 11:58Saturday to Andrew?
- 11:59Well, I'll be there Friday.
- 12:01You'll be there Friday.
- 12:02Okay.
- 12:04I am.
- 12:05That's first week of the
- 12:06open and I have to run Friday night.
- 12:07Like,
- 12:07so I will not be there till Saturday.
- 12:09So the other thing I'm going
- 12:11to do is I'm going to walk
- 12:14around the Arnold with my camera.
- 12:16boom mic,
- 12:17talk to people there at different
- 12:20events as well.
- 12:22And that'll be more of a
- 12:23recorded piece that I'll
- 12:24put together kind of following the event.
- 12:27But we'll be doing some live
- 12:29stuff from the booth as well.
- 12:33Yeah.
- 12:41So super stoked for that.
- 12:43I've never been to the Arnold.
- 12:45So I'm like, so excited.
- 12:46I've always wanted to go.
- 12:49I've been too many times,
- 12:51but it will Sarah Cooper breaking news.
- 12:58I did not see that.
- 12:59I did not see it either.
- 13:00I have Instagram up here.
- 13:03Sweet.
- 13:15Oh, Adler, Brent, Kazan, and Raptus.
- 13:26That'll be good.
- 13:38Uh, Lex,
- 13:39I did talk to my doctor about that.
- 13:41Um,
- 13:42and he said that if I want to go that
- 13:45route, like before semifinals, I mean,
- 13:49he said not to just keep doing that.
- 13:51So like pick what I want to get the,
- 13:54a cortisone shot for.
- 13:55So yeah,
- 13:56I might do that right before semifinals.
- 13:59Lex should know.
- 13:59I think she's had an injury
- 14:02to about every part of her body.
- 14:06Good to know.
- 14:07Yeah,
- 14:07I tell her she needs to be wrapped in
- 14:09bubble wrap.
- 14:12Apparently I do too.
- 14:17So here it is in 22 days, 24.1.
- 14:18Jeff Adler, Alex Gazan, Brent Fikowski,
- 14:25Alexis Raptus.
- 14:30Does it say where?
- 14:31Uh,
- 14:39No.
- 14:41So I'm going to try to blow
- 14:45something up because this
- 14:46is in our notes.
- 14:47So we'll just skip right to this.
- 14:51Man, I can't get it to move.
- 14:53I don't want the picture to move.
- 14:58Dang it.
- 14:59Anyway, over here.
- 15:04Competitors will also
- 15:05compete bonus workouts.
- 15:07For a chance to win the
- 15:08Rogue Fitness Golden Barbell.
- 15:13So,
- 15:17there was talk on Dave's Week in Review
- 15:20that there may be three or
- 15:22four extra workouts done
- 15:25that day in addition to
- 15:2824.1 and with an
- 15:32opportunity to win the Golden Barbell.
- 15:39I didn't know it was Rogues
- 15:40Golden Barbell till now,
- 15:42but it looks like it's Rogues.
- 15:46So that's going to be really
- 15:48cool to see how that plays out.
- 15:50I hope if they're doing
- 15:51something like this,
- 15:52they're going to televise
- 15:53those other events or do a
- 15:55recap when they come on to
- 15:56the announcement.
- 16:01Well,
- 16:03what do you think they're doing from
- 16:0411-12, these other workouts?
- 16:09I think that's the pregame
- 16:09show that's always been.
- 16:10The way it was explained on
- 16:13Week in Review is that they
- 16:16would do some workouts
- 16:17early in the morning and
- 16:18give them enough time to
- 16:19rest before the open
- 16:21announcement and maybe do
- 16:23one more at the close of
- 16:24the televised event.
- 16:30So if you do the two in the morning,
- 16:31just film them and give us
- 16:33a recap of those in that pregame show.
- 16:36That's all I'm asking.
- 16:39Are they just these athletes?
- 16:47So it's going to be these
- 16:48four athletes doing just
- 16:49two different workouts just
- 16:50for the heck of it?
- 16:55I don't understand.
- 16:56Well,
- 16:57I think they're going to go into the
- 16:58pot with the athletes who
- 17:01do it on 24.2 and 24.3.
- 17:01And the winner of the overall...
- 17:14Oh, so interesting.
- 17:20This is just to like,
- 17:22essentially get some games
- 17:25athletes basically pining
- 17:27for a spot of the line at
- 17:29live announcement because
- 17:30it's your only way to get
- 17:31this golden barbell.
- 17:34I don't know.
- 17:35And I don't really know what it signifies.
- 17:37Like,
- 17:37I think we talked on a round table
- 17:39and Kenneth was on there
- 17:41that maybe with the golden
- 17:43barbell was like a golden
- 17:45ticket and you got like an
- 17:47automatic bid to semis or
- 17:51an automatic bid to
- 17:52quarters and you could skip
- 17:55some workouts.
- 17:56It would be worth it.
- 18:01Yeah, the whole thing is just so strange,
- 18:03though.
- 18:03Like, who chose,
- 18:06who even gets the
- 18:07opportunity to try for that?
- 18:09Like, it's just, I don't know.
- 18:11I don't like it.
- 18:13I mean, depending on what it's for,
- 18:15it's not,
- 18:18it's somewhat of a popularity
- 18:21contest or who's someone's
- 18:23favorite to get into this
- 18:25running for whatever may be
- 18:27the prize purse.
- 18:29As typical,
- 18:31this all gets thrown out there
- 18:32with no explanation, no reason.
- 18:35We have no idea what's going to happen.
- 18:38If it's a trophy for winning
- 18:39the open workout, cool.
- 18:43But I don't understand why
- 18:46you'd want to do extra
- 18:48workouts during the day.
- 18:50No.
- 18:52But... It can't just be for
- 18:56running the open workout if...
- 19:01Cause it's a different
- 19:01workout each week and it's
- 19:03different people each week.
- 19:04So unless, like you said,
- 19:05it's just the same work, the same,
- 19:07they pick in some extra
- 19:09event that's going to be done each week.
- 19:12I don't know, man.
- 19:13That's weird.
- 19:17So it's just like a select
- 19:18few get to do some extra
- 19:20bonus workout for a prize.
- 19:21I don't know.
- 19:22That's just very strange to me.
- 19:24I, again, I'm just reporting the news.
- 19:27I know.
- 19:27I'm just,
- 19:31Um, listen,
- 19:32I've been a proponent of multi
- 19:33event meant of multi workout open,
- 19:38like Thursday through Monday, give us two,
- 19:41three workouts to do just
- 19:42like it is for
- 19:43quarterfinals and do that
- 19:44for three weeks instead of,
- 19:45so we have more scores
- 19:46instead of the old five week.
- 19:49So the way I read this is
- 19:51Carolyn's going to ask Dave, um, on his,
- 19:54on his review.
- 19:54So he answers the question next week.
- 19:56Yes.
- 19:57Thank you for that.
- 19:57Carolyn.
- 20:02Every question I've asked
- 20:03Dave on his weekend review
- 20:04never gets pulled up.
- 20:07Yeah.
- 20:09Just saying.
- 20:10Yep.
- 20:13All right.
- 20:16So that's one thing out of the way.
- 20:21Masters.
- 20:24You have a date and a location.
- 20:25No, we have the location.
- 20:31Well, you know it's in Birmingham,
- 20:32Alabama.
- 20:33Yeah.
- 20:34But they did not say what venue.
- 20:36Apparently they said it,
- 20:37that the Birmingham
- 20:38Jefferson Convention Center.
- 20:41That's what everybody's been speculating,
- 20:43but I cannot find it in an announcement.
- 20:47Yeah.
- 20:50I...
- 20:51I don't know.
- 20:52I haven't seen their
- 20:53response to anyone to say that,
- 20:56but somebody did write.
- 20:57They said somewhere it was the BJCC.
- 21:01I don't know.
- 21:04I talked to Joe.
- 21:07I did not ask him about the venue,
- 21:09but he did say that the big
- 21:11delay was finding a place
- 21:13big enough to hold this many athletes.
- 21:19So...
- 21:22Again,
- 21:22if you didn't have... This is just
- 21:27the most poor planning.
- 21:28If you didn't have something lined up,
- 21:32fairly sure of possibility,
- 21:36don't split it off.
- 21:37Until you have a venue locked in,
- 21:40don't split it off.
- 21:44This feels very rushed and
- 21:47forced and put together now
- 21:48at this point that I feel like
- 21:52It's bound to fail.
- 21:57Yeah.
- 21:59I do think Legends did answer.
- 22:04That's what Alyssa says.
- 22:07So I'm going to go through
- 22:08the general announcement
- 22:09and then I'm going to read
- 22:10some statements from Joe.
- 22:11Okay.
- 22:18Okay.
- 22:19Okay.
- 22:20So it's in Birmingham, Alabama,
- 22:22August 29th to September 1st.
- 22:24There will be a trial 70
- 22:25plus teams of four community event.
- 22:32And then my questions were,
- 22:34why are we trying things out year one?
- 22:38Like you just got the games.
- 22:40Why now do we add extra
- 22:43stuff on it and try to
- 22:45figure that out in year one?
- 22:48That's just a thought that
- 22:49was in my head and I wrote down.
- 22:51Yeah.
- 22:51And then my question too was,
- 22:54which has been in the comments,
- 22:55why are we running the
- 22:56teens and the masters on
- 22:57the same weekend?
- 22:59If you're splitting them off
- 23:01and you're going to run it
- 23:01on the same weekend,
- 23:02should have just held the same place.
- 23:05Absolutely.
- 23:08I have gotten so many texts
- 23:11from masters athletes who
- 23:12are coaches of teen athletes.
- 23:16And it's really putting,
- 23:19a big burden on them and
- 23:20they're going to have to make the choice.
- 23:22Do I go coach my athlete or do I compete?
- 23:27Yeah.
- 23:28And,
- 23:28and there's just coaches that have
- 23:30both teen and adult and like, yeah,
- 23:34I know you might need to
- 23:36choose the team cause they
- 23:37might need a little more guidance,
- 23:38but that's super unfair to
- 23:40a person that might be
- 23:41their very first games ever.
- 23:45Yes.
- 23:45Coaches with athletes in both division.
- 23:47Exactly.
- 23:48Yeah.
- 23:50So I don't think I've gotten
- 23:53this much in my DMs over an
- 23:56announcement from anything
- 23:58that's ever been put out by
- 23:59CrossFit until today.
- 24:02So apparently we are the
- 24:03master's show because, man.
- 24:09So I asked Joe three
- 24:10questions for clarification
- 24:12because these are things
- 24:13that came into my DMs.
- 24:16One,
- 24:16there's confusion whether things were
- 24:19happening at the games
- 24:21version of Legends or at
- 24:24the community event of Legends.
- 24:26Right.
- 24:29So I asked him, 70 plus,
- 24:32Is it at the,
- 24:34and I'm gonna pull up my text
- 24:37just so I have it.
- 24:39I asked him, four person teams.
- 24:43You call it a community event.
- 24:44Is it at your community
- 24:45event or is it at the games?
- 24:49His answer was,
- 24:50four person teams will
- 24:51happen at the Masters games.
- 24:54It is a community event and
- 24:55should be very fun for everyone.
- 24:58It is not an official games division.
- 25:01but it will be held at the games.
- 25:08I asked him about the 70
- 25:10plus because it was also,
- 25:13it's not going to be
- 25:14recognized as a games event
- 25:16or a games division.
- 25:17It wasn't going to be tried
- 25:19at the community event or at the games.
- 25:21It as well will be held at the games.
- 25:24You still have to go through the open.
- 25:27There is a special hashtag
- 25:29you have to use to enter
- 25:33so that they can find you to
- 25:35put you on a leaderboard.
- 25:38It just won't be an official division,
- 25:40but you'll get to
- 25:40participate at the games
- 25:43with the other athletes.
- 25:46And then my lungs need a small break.
- 25:55And then I asked him the big question.
- 25:58And I get the phrasing.
- 26:01The dates overlapping the
- 26:02team competition.
- 26:04Was this intentional or
- 26:05unavoidable for this year?
- 26:08And are you looking to
- 26:09rectify that year too?
- 26:12The answer was not intentional at all.
- 26:15Finding a venue the size and
- 26:16space we need was very difficult.
- 26:19And that weekend was where
- 26:20we had the land.
- 26:22We will see how this year
- 26:23goes and make a decision if
- 26:24we need to rectify anything.
- 26:32Those are statements from Joe Linton,
- 26:34event organizer for the
- 26:35Masters Legends event, games event.
- 26:42Yeah, I think they just,
- 26:43I think CrossFit in general.
- 26:46So Andrew,
- 26:47everyone seems to think it's
- 26:48easy to find dates and
- 26:49venues that work for an event.
- 26:50Most venues are booked way
- 26:52further in advance.
- 26:54Exactly.
- 26:55Figure it out, get it booked,
- 26:57then choose to split it off.
- 26:59The fact that it's that hard
- 27:01and you need to book that
- 27:02far in advance means this
- 27:03shouldn't have happened this year.
- 27:10There are parents competing
- 27:14who have teens competing.
- 27:16It is the largest duo fan base.
- 27:20You're probably not going to
- 27:21get very many of the
- 27:22individuals to come to
- 27:23either of these events.
- 27:25But of these two events...
- 27:28a pretty decent crowd would
- 27:31go to both if they were on
- 27:33different weekends.
- 27:34You're going to half the
- 27:39spectatorship and even the
- 27:41live viewership and
- 27:44we're going to get to the
- 27:45end of this and they're going to be like,
- 27:47this was a giant fail for both of these.
- 27:49There wasn't enough viewership.
- 27:51There wasn't enough attendance.
- 27:52And then they're going to be like,
- 27:53we need to scrap this and
- 27:54they'll just have their own
- 27:55community events.
- 27:56That's what I worry is going
- 27:57to happen because of this situation.
- 28:01Maybe they will truly take
- 28:03into consideration that it was the
- 28:06doubling up of the events
- 28:08and try to find a separate
- 28:10weekend for masters in the
- 28:12future or find a venue that
- 28:15they can be done at
- 28:16together I and that sucks
- 28:18because I do think pitt is
- 28:19a spectacular place but if
- 28:22you are going to put them
- 28:23on the same weekend they
- 28:25have to be done together so for years now
- 28:33CrossFit has been in the
- 28:34habit of settling on dates
- 28:39for an event without a venue in hand.
- 28:45Yeah.
- 28:48And here it has led to another,
- 28:50in my opinion, catastrophe.
- 28:54Yeah, absolutely.
- 28:58What did they... I mean...
- 29:01like maybe they had another venue in,
- 29:04in mind and it was too
- 29:06expensive that weekend or like,
- 29:08and who knows what they
- 29:09ended up having to settle
- 29:10just to get this one.
- 29:11Like, again,
- 29:12I feel like next they've
- 29:14agreed that price purses
- 29:15are going to stay the same this year.
- 29:16But what I think is going to
- 29:17end up happening is they're
- 29:19going to be like,
- 29:20this actually is costing us more.
- 29:22These venues are too expensive.
- 29:25We can't support this.
- 29:26So price purses are dropping
- 29:27significantly.
- 29:29The following year,
- 29:30like they'll probably stick
- 29:31to what they said this year.
- 29:32Viewership won't be there.
- 29:33They'll drop the budget a ton.
- 29:36And it's all because it was
- 29:38rolled out completely incorrectly.
- 29:45Yeah.
- 29:48Yeah.
- 29:48Carolyn,
- 29:49I think CrossFit made decisions to
- 29:50just save money on the sport this year.
- 29:53Yes.
- 29:54But then does it come down to the,
- 29:56to a place where they
- 29:57aren't even saving money
- 29:58because they don't,
- 29:59didn't have it planned and
- 30:00set and like budgeted properly.
- 30:02And then you're just got to
- 30:04throw money at a venue.
- 30:05Like, I mean,
- 30:07maybe it will still save them money,
- 30:08but who knows?
- 30:12So I want to highlight.
- 30:16So LDY on a couple of things
- 30:19probably should have asked about prizes.
- 30:21They're being run by CrossFit,
- 30:23not by legends.
- 30:25They're the same standard as last year.
- 30:28They responded to my comment
- 30:30and said the prizes are the
- 30:33same as last year from the games.
- 30:34They did respond in writing
- 30:36that that is remaining the
- 30:37same as it was last year.
- 30:40Here is the sneaky big news.
- 30:43If this crushes the Masters...
- 30:46Don't bet it will trickle
- 30:48down to less participation in the open.
- 30:51If you lose the Masters as a competition,
- 30:54you are going to lose
- 30:56thousands and thousands of
- 30:57dollars in lost open participation.
- 31:02Because if there's nowhere
- 31:03to go from there,
- 31:04people aren't going to sign up.
- 31:09Right.
- 31:15And I mean,
- 31:15I feel like the only way around
- 31:16that is somehow for them
- 31:18enforcing Legends to still
- 31:24use open participation for
- 31:28like even the Legends December event.
- 31:30And that would be very unfortunate.
- 31:32And I would hope that
- 31:33Legends would be able to be like, no,
- 31:35I mean, but yeah,
- 31:38that's exactly what would happen.
- 31:41And I want to speak to
- 31:42correct what Carolyn said.
- 31:43If you're truly trying to save money,
- 31:45the teens, the teens and the math,
- 31:51the teams don't have a huge
- 31:54footprint to add to the masters.
- 31:57Why not just they w they've
- 31:59been competing together for years.
- 32:01Why not have that one event, one venue,
- 32:05one cost.
- 32:10Well,
- 32:11They go hand in hand because, like,
- 32:14the kids that go with their
- 32:16parents and see this are
- 32:17the kids that get drawn into the sport.
- 32:20And then they compete.
- 32:21And the parents that compete
- 32:23want to go watch their kids, of course.
- 32:26Like, it's just crazy.
- 32:30It's got to be separate by a
- 32:31couple weekends or same venue.
- 32:34I mean, I personally think same venue...
- 32:37would be great.
- 32:38I just,
- 32:38it would suck for Pitt because
- 32:39there's really no,
- 32:40there's no way you could do
- 32:42masters at Pitt that it's not big enough.
- 32:50I don't know.
- 32:51Yeah,
- 32:59we can talk to Pitt and see if they
- 33:01were contacted.
- 33:02The problem is they rolled that out.
- 33:05what in September of last
- 33:07year and told them that they have,
- 33:10they are getting the games.
- 33:13Like, I mean,
- 33:17cart was way before the horse
- 33:18on this one way before.
- 33:22And just to answer Andrew back here,
- 33:25the semifinals when
- 33:27CrossFit took them over
- 33:29announced dates for West
- 33:32and East when they did not
- 33:34have the venue set up.
- 33:39that's how we ended up with
- 33:41an abandoned grocery store
- 33:42in pasadena yeah I as for
- 33:48the community events um
- 33:51like I totally get your
- 33:52point like man we're
- 33:54struggling to even get this
- 33:56rolled out correctly like
- 33:57can we at least do one
- 33:58thing right um so I totally
- 34:01get that but I do think
- 34:05one of the best ways to get
- 34:06some more spectatorship
- 34:08there is to have something
- 34:10like this community event
- 34:12and bring in some of these
- 34:13other masters age athletes
- 34:15that aren't quite there to
- 34:17do these team events.
- 34:18I mean,
- 34:18I've a lot of people seem super
- 34:20excited about it.
- 34:21So I do think it's going to
- 34:22bring in some foot traffic
- 34:23that maybe otherwise would
- 34:25have avoided the venue altogether.
- 34:27So it's not the, I mean,
- 34:30I think on one hand it's,
- 34:32it's got definitely a role to play.
- 34:37Excited and willing to travel?
- 34:40Yeah.
- 34:41Honestly,
- 34:41I've already talked to a couple
- 34:42people that are so excited
- 34:44to see you this year.
- 34:46With the team thing,
- 34:47I think I'm going to come
- 34:48and try to put a team together.
- 34:50I've already talked to a
- 34:51couple people that said that.
- 34:52They're working on putting a
- 34:54team together.
- 34:54Okay.
- 35:01That area is flush with... It's...
- 35:06It seems to be a good
- 35:07centrally located area for
- 35:10that fittest of the coast crash.
- 35:14That type of area brings in
- 35:16tons of people willing to
- 35:19travel a few hours.
- 35:20And so I think on that hand,
- 35:23I think not going West
- 35:24Coast or wherever else they
- 35:25may have been looking,
- 35:26they picked a good location
- 35:30in that regard.
- 35:35yeah, I, I like the location.
- 35:37Um, it's going to be hot.
- 35:42It sounds like it's all indoors.
- 35:43I mean,
- 35:43Jason Grubb has been all over the
- 35:46socials about this and from
- 35:50reading comments,
- 35:51he seems to have a whole
- 35:52lot of knowledge already.
- 35:54Um, he was the one who said BJCC.
- 35:55So it seems like he are, I don't know,
- 36:00has a ton of knowledge.
- 36:01Um,
- 36:02And I, I mean, I think he based, well,
- 36:04he said the weather wasn't that bad then,
- 36:06but like average temperature that time.
- 36:07But I think a lot of people
- 36:08think it's an indoor convention center.
- 36:14Yeah, it would be nice.
- 36:15I mean,
- 36:16I think when it was rumored to be
- 36:18the game site,
- 36:19there were a lot of offsite locations,
- 36:22like right beside the BJCC,
- 36:25and that you could do some
- 36:28outdoor runs or bikes or whatever,
- 36:31if need be.
- 36:32And maybe it turns out to be
- 36:34a really cool venue and event.
- 36:36It sounds big like Fort Wayne.
- 36:39Okay.
- 36:40Okay.
- 36:42Um,
- 36:43so maybe we get the best of both worlds.
- 36:47I just, I hate the same weekend thing.
- 36:51I can't get it over it either.
- 36:52I'm in one hand.
- 36:55It makes me want to like go
- 36:57fix my shoulder and boycott
- 36:59this season and cover teams.
- 37:01And, um,
- 37:03I was so frustrated when that
- 37:05announcement came out.
- 37:07I could not believe it.
- 37:10Yeah.
- 37:12It makes me sick because we
- 37:13had plans with this show to
- 37:16go full in coverage on the
- 37:18teens and the age groups in
- 37:20masters this year.
- 37:24And now we've got to figure
- 37:25that out if it's even possible.
- 37:27I know.
- 37:31And it stinks.
- 37:32So, so that's the masters talk.
- 37:37Next up, friend of the show,
- 37:40Christine Kohlenbrander
- 37:41announced she will not be
- 37:43participating in the 2024
- 37:45CrossFit Games season due
- 37:46to a back injury.
- 37:52And as someone who has had
- 37:5412 procedures on his back, man,
- 38:01it's a tough road to hoe.
- 38:03And she's been dealing with
- 38:04it a long time thinking
- 38:06that it was just normal pain.
- 38:08And apparently it just got to be too much.
- 38:14And she did not look right at rogue.
- 38:17No,
- 38:19because I wanted to use her in the heat
- 38:23one app for some lifts and
- 38:25I failed miserably.
- 38:26Yeah.
- 38:35Yeah.
- 38:36Strong.
- 38:37She is very strong.
- 38:43My first view of her as an
- 38:45individual athlete was at
- 38:47the Mac in 21 when she beat
- 38:51Tia and Amanda on the lift.
- 38:54And that was on freaking real.
- 38:59Yeah.
- 39:01Yeah.
- 39:01Her snatches like incredible.
- 39:04It just blows my mind.
- 39:08So my next thing up,
- 39:09and maybe Andrew knows, last night,
- 39:14Savon announced that Keith
- 39:17Knapp is no longer with CrossFit HQ.
- 39:22I know he's opening an
- 39:22affiliate in Cincinnati.
- 39:26The words were, he's moving on.
- 39:29He was let go.
- 39:30He was fired.
- 39:33I've reached out to Keith.
- 39:34I've not gotten a response
- 39:35yet to verify this.
- 39:37And I can't find any other
- 39:39verification other than
- 39:40what Siobhan said last night.
- 39:44And I don't know if it's him
- 39:46going all in to open his
- 39:48own affiliate or what happened.
- 39:52But I've known Keith for a
- 39:53couple of years.
- 39:55He's kind of the guy who
- 39:56from CrossFit HQ that mans
- 39:58the media room for us.
- 40:02He was the director of marketing, Carolyn.
- 40:08So not the chief marketing officer.
- 40:13no his title on his
- 40:15instagram and other places
- 40:17say director of marketing
- 40:18okay I met him in orlando
- 40:25um maybe before that but
- 40:30anyway we had a long talk
- 40:31in orlando and then at the
- 40:33games he kind of manned the
- 40:35media area um to take any
- 40:37questions from media
- 40:39members and was willing to find out
- 40:43what was going on in Kenneth.
- 40:44That's exactly why I'm
- 40:46posing it all this way, because this,
- 40:49the way he did the news,
- 40:51half of it was satirical.
- 40:53Half of it was real.
- 40:56He did not say allegedly or supposedly,
- 40:59or any of those words in
- 41:00the Keith Knapp story.
- 41:08Yeah, I don't know.
- 41:10I mean, I think it's true,
- 41:11but I don't know.
- 41:16Maybe he'll respond to you.
- 41:18Maybe we can get him on.
- 41:20Yeah, I don't know.
- 41:22Super nice guy.
- 41:24Father of four.
- 41:26And again,
- 41:27opening an affiliate in like a
- 41:28week in Cincinnati.
- 41:33So wish him well in whatever he does.
- 41:37And I hope the affiliate does well.
- 41:40Yeah.
- 41:41But he was becoming more active on social.
- 41:46Yeah, it's got I mean,
- 41:49it takes quite the effort
- 41:52to open an affiliate.
- 41:53Like if that's where you're
- 41:54putting your eggs,
- 41:55I can't imagine he was
- 41:57flourishing at his job.
- 41:59But I mean, maybe he was.
- 42:06Yeah.
- 42:07And then on his social today,
- 42:08he did post like a
- 42:11superhero story about Kevin
- 42:13Ogar and his wife and all
- 42:17they do for the adaptive division.
- 42:19And that was today after
- 42:21this was announced.
- 42:22So I'm just clueless.
- 42:26Yeah.
- 42:31All right.
- 42:33The next thing on topic is I
- 42:35was listening to Athena and
- 42:37Hiller's weekly discussion
- 42:42about the weight loss stuff
- 42:43that they go on and they're
- 42:46preparing for the open.
- 42:49And in preparing for the open, they are,
- 42:53Hiller has her doing one
- 42:55open workout from the past every Friday.
- 42:58Very typical of what happens
- 43:00in the affiliates.
- 43:02But they got into this discussion,
- 43:05should the open have a scale division?
- 43:12It does.
- 43:14Right, but should it?
- 43:16Sure, I think that's fine.
- 43:20Hiller was very adamantly opposed to it.
- 43:23Oh.
- 43:26Why?
- 43:27Because it stops people from
- 43:29pushing to the next level
- 43:30because they can just stay unscaled?
- 43:33so in dave's we can review
- 43:35that question was posed
- 43:37this is actually where I
- 43:37thought you were going with
- 43:38it um and somebody asked
- 43:41should have you considered
- 43:44taking that like making a
- 43:45scale go to quarterfinals
- 43:47so the top 10 percent of
- 43:50ski yeah now that I heard
- 43:52that is insane like
- 43:54absolutely not because then
- 43:56you get then you get people
- 43:5726th percentile or even 25th percentile
- 44:04doing scaled and winning it
- 44:05just to take like that's
- 44:07just silly like if you're
- 44:08in that borderline yes you
- 44:09need to keep pushing those
- 44:10skills to move up um but to
- 44:16just have a scaled for the
- 44:17open that I mean that's
- 44:20just sort of your choice
- 44:22it's not you're literally
- 44:23not going anywhere and
- 44:24you're not you're going to
- 44:26the bottom of even somebody
- 44:27who does one rep so I don't
- 44:28know why you would
- 44:29necessarily go that route
- 44:32instead of trying to get one,
- 44:33get some of whatever the movement is.
- 44:38No, I think, I think they need the scale.
- 44:40You have to make it somewhat
- 44:41more approachable.
- 44:45So here, here's, I'm kind of in between.
- 44:51I started the open in 2013.
- 44:53There was no scale division.
- 44:55Right.
- 44:56Right.
- 44:57So, but it, it all was,
- 45:00it all had an entry level.
- 45:01that I could handle.
- 45:03Right.
- 45:05Yeah.
- 45:06So I, I scored on every workout.
- 45:09Um,
- 45:09and there were moments where I hung
- 45:11from a pull up bar for
- 45:13eight minutes to try to get, and, um,
- 45:17we weren't affiliated at the time.
- 45:18So it's out on YouTube
- 45:19somewhere if you want to go see it.
- 45:24It pushed me to want to get those reps.
- 45:29It pushed me to do goat work
- 45:32after class because I
- 45:34didn't want to have a video
- 45:36of me hanging on a
- 45:37pull-apart for the next year.
- 45:42Then came the scale division,
- 45:44which I could do pretty
- 45:46much everything in the scale division.
- 45:50However, as a Clydesdale...
- 45:54what always gets scaled is
- 45:55the weight yes and it's
- 46:00very frustrating because
- 46:01it's not the weight that's
- 46:02holding me back it's some
- 46:05of the other stuff so I
- 46:07believe that before we add
- 46:11the scale division you go
- 46:14as far as you can go and then your coach
- 46:17builds you the rest of your
- 46:19workout that you don't get
- 46:20to put down on the scoreboard,
- 46:22but gives you the workout for the day.
- 46:24And it's scaled appropriately for you,
- 46:27not the template for the world.
- 46:32You are asking a lot of
- 46:34affiliate owners at a very busy time.
- 46:36Because I already kind of do
- 46:37all of that because we're a
- 46:38level method gym.
- 46:39And it's... No, that's not... Like,
- 46:46they have...
- 46:47they have progressed the
- 46:49open to a point where it is
- 46:52not approachable for like
- 46:55yeah like 14.3 or whatever
- 47:00it was with the ascending
- 47:03weight and rep deadlifts
- 47:04and box jumps which you
- 47:05could step back then was
- 47:06very approachable for
- 47:08almost everybody I think it
- 47:08started out at like
- 47:09135 95 deadlifts and you
- 47:15could step up your box like
- 47:16sure that was appropriate
- 47:18you don't see that anymore
- 47:19it was just 225 155
- 47:21deadlifts with far-facing
- 47:23burpees like there are
- 47:25people who can't even start
- 47:26that workout um scaled
- 47:29still sees pull-ups and
- 47:31that's where many people
- 47:33get stuck regardless of weight um
- 47:38And you're going to you're
- 47:39going to go push for those.
- 47:41I had people walk into the
- 47:43gym last was it last year,
- 47:45two years ago when the
- 47:47gymnastics progressed and they were like,
- 47:50I can't do I can't do skilled.
- 47:52I need to do the foundations.
- 47:53And I'm like, what are you talking about?
- 47:55They're like, well,
- 47:55I can't do that pull up at the end.
- 47:56I'm like, good luck even getting there.
- 47:58Like.
- 48:00You know, you're missing the point.
- 48:03And that's, if you only had RX,
- 48:06that's how all of my members would be.
- 48:07They would just be like,
- 48:08I'm not even doing this.
- 48:09And I would have to coddle
- 48:11them and figure out,
- 48:12you have to have skill.
- 48:18I think I progressed less.
- 48:19I progressed less when it
- 48:21went to scaled and I had less fun.
- 48:27If you're truly that competitive,
- 48:28you're going to push for RX.
- 48:32Yeah.
- 48:33And I don't know.
- 48:34It just,
- 48:37I think you could level method it
- 48:39where here's workout a B
- 48:44and C for scaling options.
- 48:46If you can do the weights, here's a,
- 48:48if you need the gymnastics
- 48:50or if you can do the
- 48:51gymnastics and not the weights, here's B.
- 48:56Yeah,
- 48:57and then you get people who don't
- 48:59understand the concept of
- 49:01scaling and just pick
- 49:04whatever one they want to
- 49:05do because these are options,
- 49:06and then they put RX.
- 49:08It would be an absolute disaster.
- 49:10I can already picture that in my gym.
- 49:12I give those options,
- 49:13and people will put RX
- 49:14because they don't understand.
- 49:16No, that's a mess.
- 49:23Just because it's hard
- 49:24doesn't mean we shouldn't look at it.
- 49:27You're going to have eight
- 49:28different leaderboard options?
- 49:31No,
- 49:32I'm saying you go back to just one RX
- 49:35and if you can only do the 10 thrusters,
- 49:38you're done.
- 49:41The rest of the workout is
- 49:42for your fitness and
- 49:44getting better for next year.
- 49:45I don't know.
- 49:53So...
- 49:55In that instance,
- 49:56we basically will tell
- 49:57people to just do your 10
- 49:59or whatever and then do the
- 50:00scaled workout for fitness.
- 50:03At least it's there.
- 50:04Yeah, but the scaled workout sucks.
- 50:08It doesn't suck.
- 50:11The scaled workouts last
- 50:12year were plenty challenging for people.
- 50:18Do you know why the name of
- 50:19the show or the name of the
- 50:20media company is Clydesdale?
- 50:22Because I truly believed
- 50:25when I was back in my teens,
- 50:27there was a running division.
- 50:28If you were over 200 pounds,
- 50:29you were a Clydesdale.
- 50:31Yeah.
- 50:32We have nothing in CrossFit
- 50:33for those people.
- 50:35No.
- 50:37And the scaled version is
- 50:39super lightweights and more
- 50:41burpees and more.
- 50:42Yeah.
- 50:45The stuff that probably you need.
- 50:49Life isn't scale for you.
- 50:50Are you going to help me
- 50:51with a chest-to-bar pull-up?
- 50:54Sure, I will.
- 50:59No.
- 51:01There are still pull-ups in scale.
- 51:05When they first went to scale,
- 51:06I could still do pull-ups.
- 51:09That wasn't my problem.
- 51:11I could do regular pull-ups.
- 51:12I couldn't do chest-to-bar.
- 51:22That's all you do.
- 51:23Could you do the pull-ups very fast?
- 51:27I could string five, six, seven.
- 51:37I don't know.
- 51:37I mean, I know they have the 65 pounds.
- 51:42So it was like, of course,
- 51:44messing with the rest of my workout.
- 51:50Yeah.
- 51:52but that's fine.
- 51:52I could do the pull-ups.
- 51:54Then you, then I,
- 51:56my other option is to go scaled.
- 51:58And now I'm doing like at
- 52:01times like a push press
- 52:03instead of a pushup or it just,
- 52:08you know what I mean?
- 52:10Some of the scaling is very, very,
- 52:16I just don't think it's done well.
- 52:21There is no option for the
- 52:24bigger athlete coming down in weight.
- 52:27There's plenty of options
- 52:29for the not strong athlete coming in.
- 52:41I don't know if I agree with that.
- 52:43I mean, that's exactly, I feel like,
- 52:46how this works.
- 52:48uh yeah I think it's changed
- 52:50a lot since then you still
- 52:52get to do a lift and see
- 52:54where like you there was
- 52:56still a lift for scaled
- 52:57they still got to show off
- 52:59their weight moving
- 53:00abilities okay I i I think
- 53:13this is a hill I'm willing
- 53:14to die on but maybe I think
- 53:16things are different than when you were
- 53:19I've done the open every
- 53:20year from 2013 to now.
- 53:25And you didn't think scale
- 53:26last year was challenging enough.
- 53:32No, I think it drops so far.
- 53:42Hmm.
- 53:48So it's, I mean,
- 53:50if you want to lift weights,
- 53:51go with weights.
- 53:52Like CrossFit is about being
- 53:54fit and like you need to get fitter.
- 53:56I'm not, I'm not saying.
- 53:59Okay.
- 54:04All right, whatever.
- 54:06Carolyn's right.
- 54:07You just need to go harder.
- 54:08You need to move faster.
- 54:08If it's that light for you,
- 54:10it should be so easy for
- 54:11you to do those 30
- 54:13deadlifts and move on that
- 54:14you crush the 112-pound
- 54:17athlete who is going to
- 54:19come back and match you on
- 54:20the pull-up skill.
- 54:24If you're truly that strong,
- 54:25that should have no
- 54:27interference on your workout.
- 54:29You should be able to go
- 54:29fast at everything else.
- 54:37I can't yell tonight because of my lungs.
- 54:42It,
- 54:42I am telling you in the years I did not
- 54:45have a scaled option.
- 54:47It pushed me to do way more to get better.
- 54:52And I think we've lost a
- 54:53piece of that along the way.
- 54:59And I don't know when scaled came in, what,
- 55:0215 or 16, somewhere in there.
- 55:06I want to say 15,
- 55:07but it could have been 16.
- 55:14That was right before the
- 55:15cliff of open registrations.
- 55:21Well, 18 was like the biggest.
- 55:23Yeah.
- 55:24So I actually feel like the
- 55:26introduction of scale
- 55:27brought in even more people.
- 55:29And then they didn't like it
- 55:30and they left.
- 55:31That is not what happened, Scott.
- 55:33Come on.
- 55:38I don't know.
- 55:38I just, from personal experience,
- 55:43I really enjoyed the fear,
- 55:46the competition against
- 55:51myself without an option to go scaled.
- 55:55So don't go scaled.
- 55:59In your mind,
- 56:00if that's how you want to
- 56:02attack the sport, don't do scaled.
- 56:05Always make yourself go RX.
- 56:08Like,
- 56:08I probably have some hard-headed
- 56:09athletes that will be that way,
- 56:11and that's fine.
- 56:12But, like, yeah,
- 56:15just tell yourself you're
- 56:16always going to do RX.
- 56:17You're always going to go
- 56:18for that one rep.
- 56:19You are going to keep
- 56:20pushing yourself for that.
- 56:21Like, you don't want to look at it.
- 56:22But there needs to be a scaled option.
- 56:29Okay.
- 56:29Says you.
- 56:31Again,
- 56:33don't have enough air in my lungs to
- 56:35fight you tonight.
- 56:37So we may have to bring this
- 56:38up again during the open.
- 56:40But you have a lot of
- 56:40backers in the comments.
- 56:45I do want LDY 2742 gave us 199.
- 56:49So all I need scaled is double unders.
- 56:55I used to love double unders.
- 57:02Tristan says at the bottom
- 57:03of this conversation is the
- 57:04difference between sport and health.
- 57:07Yes.
- 57:09Screw health.
- 57:16If you don't have the scaled
- 57:18option and then you push
- 57:20the sport side too much in the affiliates,
- 57:23you are doing a disservice
- 57:24to many of your members.
- 57:27I have people in there that
- 57:29don't necessarily need to
- 57:31be pushing 225 or 155 pound deadlifts.
- 57:36It's probably going to lead
- 57:38like 150 deadlifts at that
- 57:39weight is probably going to
- 57:40lead to an injury and is not necessary.
- 57:43Or trying to rep out
- 57:45pull-ups is going to tear their shoulder.
- 57:47Like it's just not really
- 57:50necessary unless you're
- 57:52pushing the sport side.
- 57:53And that is not for everybody.
- 58:02Yes, Caroline, I totally agree.
- 58:04I'm not saying you don't get
- 58:05a good workout.
- 58:08I'm saying scale it
- 58:09appropriately for your abilities.
- 58:15That's all.
- 58:20I guess I fail to see your
- 58:23argument where like,
- 58:24so say you can do the...
- 58:25225 because I see this a lot
- 58:28in in some of my members
- 58:29that are very strong
- 58:31especially like in
- 58:32squatting and dead lifting
- 58:34but you pair that with
- 58:36literally any literally
- 58:37anything else air squats
- 58:39box push-ups I'm not even
- 58:40putting them down to the
- 58:41ground and they no longer
- 58:43can move that 225 well or fast
- 58:49And they're in it.
- 58:51Like I told you,
- 58:52that should be you're
- 58:53telling me that you can move that so well,
- 58:55then I want to see you move
- 58:56it so well that there is
- 58:57zero interference when it
- 58:59comes to the other movement.
- 59:00But they stop and they stand
- 59:02around and are doing
- 59:03singles on a deadlift that.
- 59:06Scale that back to and
- 59:07actually push the other movement,
- 59:09the deadlift.
- 59:10cardio the gymnastics that
- 59:11is hard for you I get that
- 59:13you're strong but you are
- 59:15not fit enough to be move
- 59:17the weight way down and
- 59:18move fast and move fast
- 59:19through everything okay I
- 59:24am not saying there's
- 59:25anything wrong with scaling
- 59:27workouts at an affiliate
- 59:30My thing was, okay, 2013,
- 59:33my first ever open.
- 59:35I scaled a lot of workouts.
- 59:36I only did a handful of workouts RX,
- 59:40right?
- 59:41But then this one moment of the year,
- 59:44I had to step up my game
- 59:46and try things that I
- 59:49hadn't been pushing myself
- 59:50to try all year round.
- 59:51I understand.
- 59:56Then I do a chest to bar
- 59:57pull up and I come like that close.
- 1:00:01but I don't get it.
- 1:00:03Right.
- 1:00:04And then that gives me the
- 1:00:05fire to like now work on
- 1:00:07chest to bar pull-ups in my off time.
- 1:00:12It's not about an ego that I
- 1:00:14don't want to be scaled
- 1:00:15because I'm scaled 80% of
- 1:00:17the time in class workouts.
- 1:00:19Anyway,
- 1:00:20it's that this gives me the one
- 1:00:22moment a year to rise up
- 1:00:25and fight for myself and
- 1:00:27try something that I have
- 1:00:28not been trying the whole year.
- 1:00:33I understand.
- 1:00:34I think the sport has, like,
- 1:00:38comparing an open workout
- 1:00:39from 2013 that pushed you
- 1:00:41is completely different
- 1:00:42than looking at a 2023
- 1:00:43workout and figuring out.
- 1:00:46And I also think you're in
- 1:00:47two different places to even think, like,
- 1:00:53to be objective about that.
- 1:00:54Like,
- 1:00:54the sport has come an incredible way.
- 1:01:01And I think the scaled
- 1:01:02workouts are tougher than
- 1:01:04you might think.
- 1:01:05I think they're still a good workout.
- 1:01:09I've done the scaled.
- 1:01:10They are hard.
- 1:01:11So you got the pull-ups last year.
- 1:01:13It's not about me not
- 1:01:15getting a good workout
- 1:01:17because I can push it and I can do,
- 1:01:19but it's one day.
- 1:01:20I don't do the open workout six times.
- 1:01:24I do it once.
- 1:01:26And in that one moment,
- 1:01:27I just want to try.
- 1:01:30I want to try to see,
- 1:01:32and I'm saying this from,
- 1:01:35if I were a healthy athlete,
- 1:01:37like right now,
- 1:01:38I'm not a healthy athlete.
- 1:01:40So this doesn't matter in this year.
- 1:01:42That one moment, three weeks a year,
- 1:01:45I wanted three days a year.
- 1:01:48I just want to see,
- 1:01:49I just want to see myself give it a shot.
- 1:01:56Do it.
- 1:01:57You should try the RX every year.
- 1:02:06That's all.
- 1:02:06And I think that, yes,
- 1:02:09and I do do that when I'm healthy.
- 1:02:12I try to go RX.
- 1:02:14Good.
- 1:02:16But I think that we've lost
- 1:02:18our way a little bit,
- 1:02:20that there are times...
- 1:02:22that you need to push
- 1:02:23yourself to be better,
- 1:02:26to find out what your body can do,
- 1:02:28to find out what all this
- 1:02:29work that you've been doing,
- 1:02:30scaling back has led to.
- 1:02:33I think too many athletes
- 1:02:34get stuck in the scaled.
- 1:02:38Sure.
- 1:02:39Yeah.
- 1:02:41And don't ever try to get out of it.
- 1:02:44Yeah.
- 1:02:44I have, I have several people who are,
- 1:02:47are complacent there.
- 1:02:48And I,
- 1:02:50It is what it is.
- 1:02:51I mean,
- 1:02:52they're the type of people that
- 1:02:54probably would quit if,
- 1:02:57if RX was the only option.
- 1:02:59So like,
- 1:03:01I think if you are somebody like
- 1:03:02you who like wants that challenge,
- 1:03:04then you're going to
- 1:03:04challenge yourself and you
- 1:03:05will just try to do an RX
- 1:03:07workout every week.
- 1:03:08And if it's a no, if you get one rep,
- 1:03:11I would hope you would be like, okay,
- 1:03:13I'm either,
- 1:03:14I am going to either just cut
- 1:03:15it here and do this,
- 1:03:16or I'll do the scaled workout too.
- 1:03:1810 minutes later or the next
- 1:03:21day or however you want to do it.
- 1:03:23Yeah,
- 1:03:23you should absolutely try to do the RX.
- 1:03:26And beyond me,
- 1:03:27I think we've lost the open moments,
- 1:03:32right?
- 1:03:33So here, Amanda, I'm with you, Scott.
- 1:03:36Got my first dubs in my
- 1:03:37first ever open workout.
- 1:03:38Wouldn't have tried them if
- 1:03:40I had a scaled option.
- 1:03:42And I'm betting her gym
- 1:03:45exploded when she got her double under.
- 1:03:49I've seen it in my gym a thousand times.
- 1:03:52But we don't see that anymore.
- 1:03:55Because with the scaled option,
- 1:03:57not enough people are
- 1:04:00jumping at the chance to
- 1:04:02try to do that for the first time.
- 1:04:04See,
- 1:04:04I had members get their first pull-up
- 1:04:08in that scaled workout.
- 1:04:11And we were jumping for joy for them.
- 1:04:13Okay.
- 1:04:16Okay.
- 1:04:21And I mean, I'm trying to think, I don't,
- 1:04:22nobody got a ring muscle up, but like,
- 1:04:25I mean, you had the opportunity to get a,
- 1:04:32your first ring muscle up ever last year.
- 1:04:37And I got mine.
- 1:04:38Yeah.
- 1:04:40No ring turnover.
- 1:04:44So I, um, well,
- 1:04:47this was a good conversation.
- 1:04:50Sorry,
- 1:04:51I'm beating up on you when you can't
- 1:04:52play back.
- 1:04:57And I think I won that argument.
- 1:05:00So with that, we will move.
- 1:05:04I don't know.
- 1:05:08I don't know about that.
- 1:05:10I'm sorry.
- 1:05:14Oh, I'm trying to... Go.
- 1:05:17I love it when Jamie and Scott disagree.
- 1:05:18Too many other shows,
- 1:05:20people are so hesitant to
- 1:05:21have differing opinions.
- 1:05:24If you want to be in an
- 1:05:24Airbnb during a competition weekend,
- 1:05:27we disagree about 90% of the time.
- 1:05:32Yeah.
- 1:05:33Alex says, can you try RX?
- 1:05:35Then if you can't do most of the workout,
- 1:05:37do the scaled version and
- 1:05:38get a good workout in.
- 1:05:39I'm saying...
- 1:05:41Why can't I stop and scale
- 1:05:43the rest of the workout
- 1:05:44appropriately for myself
- 1:05:47and still get a good workout in?
- 1:05:49You personally can.
- 1:05:52My RX score is going to be my RX score.
- 1:05:56Sure.
- 1:05:57I think you personally can.
- 1:05:58I don't think that you
- 1:05:59should ask that of...
- 1:06:03affiliate owners to put that together and,
- 1:06:07and sit there like it's,
- 1:06:09it's a daunting task to run
- 1:06:10Friday Night Lights or ever
- 1:06:11however you run it.
- 1:06:13Um,
- 1:06:14I just think I think that's asking a lot.
- 1:06:18Okay.
- 1:06:19Well,
- 1:06:19we'll save some of this heat for the
- 1:06:22open one seat.
- 1:06:24Yeah,
- 1:06:24when we see the workouts and what
- 1:06:26skill workouts and then we
- 1:06:27can discuss them.
- 1:06:28Yeah.
- 1:06:30And Candace says, all right,
- 1:06:32let's talk about pissy Josh Bridges.
- 1:06:34I didn't even have this in my notes.
- 1:06:38What happened?
- 1:06:38I did not catch any of this.
- 1:06:41So Coffee Pods and Wads does
- 1:06:45Around the Whiteboard where
- 1:06:47they ask the three
- 1:06:47questions of three panelists.
- 1:06:50Josh Bridges was one of them.
- 1:06:51The final question was,
- 1:06:53is Hiller good for CrossFit?
- 1:06:55Oh.
- 1:06:56And Josh Bridges was like, absolutely not.
- 1:07:03Interesting.
- 1:07:09It was basically that he
- 1:07:11doesn't bring anything to the table.
- 1:07:14All he does is criticize
- 1:07:15those who are bringing
- 1:07:16things to the table.
- 1:07:22Maybe slightly less recently,
- 1:07:25but I will say the one
- 1:07:26thing I liked about Hiller was that
- 1:07:29Usually, if he brought up a topic,
- 1:07:31he would supply some
- 1:07:38feedback or solution.
- 1:07:41I don't think it was all just like,
- 1:07:43they did this and they stopped.
- 1:07:46For the most part,
- 1:07:47he tries to provide a solution.
- 1:07:51I would agree with that in the early days.
- 1:07:53Yeah.
- 1:07:54I said maybe lately it's
- 1:07:56been a little less.
- 1:07:57I think lately he picks some
- 1:08:00of the athletes that give
- 1:08:04him more views and more clicks.
- 1:08:08And he's admitted that he is
- 1:08:10trying to get more views and clicks.
- 1:08:13And I think that's where he loses.
- 1:08:16But while I understand he's doing it,
- 1:08:19I think that's where he
- 1:08:19loses his objectivity about
- 1:08:23being the guy that's coming
- 1:08:25in and checking everything.
- 1:08:27Yeah.
- 1:08:28The same people over and
- 1:08:30over and over again.
- 1:08:33Well, I feel like until they're,
- 1:08:39CrossFit's not doing
- 1:08:40themselves any favors, right?
- 1:08:42I found it very interesting
- 1:08:44on Dave's Week in Review
- 1:08:46when the question was asked about, like,
- 1:08:51holding yourself to a
- 1:08:51standard and what do you do, like,
- 1:08:53feel like maybe the
- 1:08:54standard's not going to be
- 1:08:55held in your affiliate.
- 1:08:56And he was like, his response was,
- 1:08:58you know, like,
- 1:08:59you need to hold yourself
- 1:08:59to a standard and then maybe, like,
- 1:09:00challenge your owner to, he's like,
- 1:09:04basically, it should start from the top.
- 1:09:05He's like,
- 1:09:06your owner should set that standard.
- 1:09:07And he goes, well,
- 1:09:08it should start from the top.
- 1:09:10It should start from us.
- 1:09:12and that is hillar's issue
- 1:09:15and that is the problem and
- 1:09:17until we see change and
- 1:09:18that you are killer's gonna
- 1:09:21just keep pounding that
- 1:09:22home and especially what
- 1:09:24like you need to make you
- 1:09:28like you need to actually
- 1:09:30make an example out of some
- 1:09:31of these he's given plenty
- 1:09:32of opportunity like
- 1:09:35actually invalidate hip and steel score,
- 1:09:37actually invalidate Danny
- 1:09:38Spiegel's score.
- 1:09:39And they aren't actually
- 1:09:40taking steps to show that
- 1:09:42they are changing anything
- 1:09:45or being held accountable.
- 1:09:46So they're making it easy
- 1:09:48for him to just keep
- 1:09:49hammering the same person
- 1:09:50and showing until they're
- 1:09:51going to fix it.
- 1:09:54But they did publicly
- 1:09:55announce they're doing a
- 1:09:57paid online judges review
- 1:09:59team to do things like that.
- 1:10:04I will say just the Josh
- 1:10:06being pissy thing.
- 1:10:07Josh admitted that he
- 1:10:08doesn't watch Hiller.
- 1:10:10Then how can you sit there and... Right.
- 1:10:14But it doesn't mean that it
- 1:10:16wasn't a good question.
- 1:10:17Now, I will say this.
- 1:10:22I like his videos like his
- 1:10:28Bill Leahy video he just did this week.
- 1:10:33he followed him around uh
- 1:10:35southland camp and
- 1:10:38highlighted him I thought
- 1:10:39that was great yeah so
- 1:10:47carolyn says the problem is
- 1:10:48people that can no longer
- 1:10:50think for themselves
- 1:10:50anymore and literally
- 1:10:52anything he says they're
- 1:10:53just on board and attack people
- 1:10:58Hiller did a video about the
- 1:11:01affiliate owner in
- 1:11:02Wisconsin trying to get 30
- 1:11:04new members in 30 days.
- 1:11:07That was a great video.
- 1:11:10When he's doing that stuff,
- 1:11:11I think that's awesome.
- 1:11:14The clickbaity stuff, not for me.
- 1:11:17But he says and admits it
- 1:11:19that he does those to have
- 1:11:20enough money to go do the others.
- 1:11:23Yep.
- 1:11:25Can't totally blame the guy.
- 1:11:28And I think those videos he
- 1:11:29does Joe Neals.
- 1:11:31Yeah.
- 1:11:33I think those videos he's
- 1:11:36good for CrossFit.
- 1:11:38Yeah.
- 1:11:41I think the Athena videos
- 1:11:42he's doing now helping her out.
- 1:11:45This is going to be good for CrossFit.
- 1:11:49Um,
- 1:11:51So for me,
- 1:11:53the question is more about the
- 1:11:55overall Hiller,
- 1:11:56not just the bat signal guy.
- 1:11:59And cause I think he's well past that,
- 1:12:02but it is open season is coming.
- 1:12:05So I'm sure the bat signal
- 1:12:06will be back in full force
- 1:12:09for a few weeks.
- 1:12:13Now, now clock lump us all together.
- 1:12:23All right.
- 1:12:24So I have one more thing before we go.
- 1:12:26And that is,
- 1:12:28are we getting an era of super
- 1:12:29teams again?
- 1:12:33Well, no,
- 1:12:33because you still have to do the
- 1:12:35workouts together.
- 1:12:39That's true.
- 1:12:40You just come together for the, yeah,
- 1:12:41yeah.
- 1:12:42Yeah.
- 1:12:42They got rid of the hundred
- 1:12:44of what we know already.
- 1:12:47We have a Noah Tola,
- 1:12:49Matilde and Lena Richter team.
- 1:12:53We have Cara, Emily DeRoy, Conn,
- 1:12:57and James Newberry.
- 1:12:59We just announced Elliot and
- 1:13:01Jamie Simmons with Mia
- 1:13:03Hesketh and Christophe Horvath.
- 1:13:06Interesting.
- 1:13:08There are some rumors
- 1:13:10circling around Invictus
- 1:13:12involving Chandler Smith.
- 1:13:16Well, that will be sad.
- 1:13:20Why do you say that?
- 1:13:21Because I would want him with Noah.
- 1:13:24I think that they at
- 1:13:26Waterpalooza Chandler
- 1:13:28announced that Tola was a
- 1:13:30better fit for Noah.
- 1:13:32And so he gave up his position for that.
- 1:13:39Interesting.
- 1:13:41I mean, Tola is an incredible athlete.
- 1:13:43I think that dude gets
- 1:13:45overlooked way too much, but I mean,
- 1:13:50Well,
- 1:13:51unless he's going to be with his wife,
- 1:13:52I'm not here for it.
- 1:13:55And then I hear Jamie Latimer has a team.
- 1:13:58We do have a team.
- 1:14:04Well?
- 1:14:05Well,
- 1:14:06we're going to put the announcement
- 1:14:07out pretty soon.
- 1:14:09These kids can't do their
- 1:14:12job and get signed up.
- 1:14:14So I need them to actually
- 1:14:15get signed up so we can put
- 1:14:17the official post out.
- 1:14:19Yeah,
- 1:14:19we've got two X team athletes and two
- 1:14:22Masters athletes.
- 1:14:24We'll see how that works out.
- 1:14:25Jeff DiPerna, myself, Haley Rolfe,
- 1:14:28and Azariah Price.
- 1:14:31Azariah?
- 1:14:33Dang.
- 1:14:37Yeah, I mean, it'd be cool just to, I mean,
- 1:14:40really,
- 1:14:41we're just trying to get to
- 1:14:42quarterfinals and do some
- 1:14:43workouts together.
- 1:14:44But they lowered the number
- 1:14:46to like 30 going into semi,
- 1:14:47so it is what it is.
- 1:14:48I think it was 30 last year.
- 1:14:53No, it was more than that.
- 1:14:55That made it.
- 1:14:59so um so now my question is
- 1:15:03with these super teams will
- 1:15:05it bring any interest back
- 1:15:06to the team division
- 1:15:08because last year really
- 1:15:09fell short um I do think
- 1:15:14with getting rid of like
- 1:15:17the fact that there's only individuals
- 1:15:20well, individuals and teams,
- 1:15:22you either can watch the
- 1:15:23individuals when that's not going on,
- 1:15:26you're going to have to get
- 1:15:27drawn into the team.
- 1:15:27So I do think that's going
- 1:15:29to ramp that viewership up for sure.
- 1:15:36Yeah,
- 1:15:36it was 40 at semis for teams last year.
- 1:15:38Thank you, Tristan.
- 1:15:40Yeah, I would have said that
- 1:15:44it would take rich coming
- 1:15:45back or like a mat coming
- 1:15:48back or something like that for me,
- 1:15:51for me personally,
- 1:15:53to get interested again, but man,
- 1:15:55car Saunders back on the floor.
- 1:16:00Noah in the team division,
- 1:16:01Elliot and Jamie Simmons.
- 1:16:03Like, okay.
- 1:16:05You just counted Jamie out.
- 1:16:07I did.
- 1:16:08And apparently she did too,
- 1:16:10because she's going team.
- 1:16:12Oh man.
- 1:16:13Yeah.
- 1:16:16Oh, Scott.
- 1:16:19And I want to correct myself
- 1:16:21from last week.
- 1:16:24We talked about who didn't
- 1:16:26make the games last year
- 1:16:28should make it this year.
- 1:16:29Okay.
- 1:16:32And I said Anika,
- 1:16:32which I truly believe she's
- 1:16:33going to make it.
- 1:16:35But I've been watching a lot
- 1:16:36of videos of a very dear friend of ours,
- 1:16:40Carolyn Prevost.
- 1:16:43She's looking very fit.
- 1:16:45I have been watching a lot
- 1:16:46of those videos as well.
- 1:16:49Yeah.
- 1:16:50And I want to put my money
- 1:16:51behind that athlete as well.
- 1:16:54Good choice.
- 1:16:58Cause I think she'll make it back.
- 1:17:03We are, we are a Canadian show.
- 1:17:05So I kept my picks to both Canadian.
- 1:17:11How we roll.
- 1:17:14When are we going to get the
- 1:17:15Canadian super team?
- 1:17:20Pat Brent.
- 1:17:21I, that would be the day, man.
- 1:17:23I would love it.
- 1:17:28So, Oh, Lexa,
- 1:17:35she better make it back with a fist.
- 1:17:41That's great.
- 1:17:44Yeah.
- 1:17:46So anyway,
- 1:17:50I think we had enough hot topics tonight.
- 1:17:55What'd you think?
- 1:17:57Yeah.
- 1:17:57We got spin fall.
- 1:17:58We got to put together our
- 1:18:01invites to put together our pulse.
- 1:18:03We'll probably talk about
- 1:18:04where we have everybody
- 1:18:05ranked once we submit that.
- 1:18:08Um, and, uh,
- 1:18:13and that we,
- 1:18:15that's the one place we usually agree.
- 1:18:16That's true.
- 1:18:18If we like super agree on some things,
- 1:18:21then we super disagree on some things.
- 1:18:23Yeah.
- 1:18:25But, uh, can't wait for the season.
- 1:18:28It's getting ever close.
- 1:18:30And, uh, yeah.
- 1:18:33With that.
- 1:18:35We'll let you guys all go.
- 1:18:36It's been a fun night.
- 1:18:38We'll be back next Thursday
- 1:18:39night for Thursday night CrossFit talk.
- 1:18:42Thank you so much, guys.
- 1:18:43We'll see you later.