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Chuck & Buck 12-16 Hour 2: 12th Man news with Gregg Bell, the simmering stove and who knew field goals were so easy? · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Rogers will be in the gug Rogers may be seeing
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Speaker 1: the blitz. Here they come. They rush five, there's the
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Speaker 1: snap done, drive down and little Matt Pearlin gets made
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Speaker 1: at the fifteen metcap r to tackle up the ten
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Speaker 1: to five touchdown. Peckford medcap throwing bodies aside like the
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Speaker 1: rag dolls to break tackles and get a twenty of
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Speaker 1: yard touchdown reception from Aaron Rodgers on third and twelve
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Speaker 1: and they've gone up twenty to three over Miami. He
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Speaker 1: really is one of one, both Kevin Harlan and DK Metcalf.
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Speaker 1: There's no one liked Kevin Harlan on a call Westwood One.
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Speaker 1: Nobody quite liked DK Metcalf. I mean, I think we
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Speaker 1: made the right decision getting rid of him, and I
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Speaker 1: think JSN certainly has flourished being the undisputed number one
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Speaker 1: receiver in this lineup. That guy there's just some traits
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Speaker 1: that nobody else in the league can match. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he just caught that ball into the just stiff armed,
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Speaker 1: like six different dolphins just out of his way. Now,
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Speaker 1: they acted like they were frozen to the core. I
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Speaker 1: think that was part of it. But yeah, he's a monster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's different. You can just see it when he
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Speaker 2: just steps out there. He's different. And yet it's still
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Speaker 2: even this year with Hall of Famer and Aaron Rodgers,
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Speaker 2: an old Hall of Famer in Aaron Rodgers, he still
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Speaker 2: hasn't kind of grown to be that thing that, yeah,
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Speaker 2: everybody thought he was going to be, at least while
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Speaker 2: he was here.
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh won over Miami Monday Night football to wrap up
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Speaker 1: the week. Twenty eight to fifteen is the final score,
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Speaker 1: so the Steelers keep their game lead over the Baltimore
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Speaker 1: Ravens in the division. Miami was eliminated from the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we are all preparing. We're well underway for
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Speaker 1: Thursday night football rams at Seahawks. We'll talk to Greg
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Speaker 1: Bell in a moment about Davonte Adams and many other things.
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Speaker 1: So our Seahawks insider is just a minute away. He
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Speaker 1: last night with their three to two win over North
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Speaker 1: Carolina State. College football playoff is this Friday. There'll be
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Speaker 1: three games on Saturday, and so the very first week
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Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth of this month. Everitt Fitzhu's going
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Speaker 1: to join us today at eight thirty. Those are your headlines.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk some Seahawks with Greg Bell. With the bell tolls.
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Speaker 3: Now with twelk Man News. Here's Greg Bell with Chuck
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Speaker 3: and Bud.
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Speaker 1: Good morning, Greg, Good morning, huh Greg Bell or Siahucks
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Speaker 1: Insider joining us here today. What's the buzz over there?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you might not even know this yet, but
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Speaker 1: obviously weather could play a factor. It's been playing a
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Speaker 1: factor in all of our lives here for the last week.
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Speaker 1: But I just looked up the forecast eighty three percent
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Speaker 1: chance of rain Thursday night wins expected to possibly be
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Speaker 1: around twenty miles per hour, could be a factor in
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Speaker 1: this game. Does Mike McDonald feel they're better prepared for
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Speaker 1: Knights like this than anybody that comes into Seattle.
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Speaker 4: Well, yes and no.
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Speaker 5: The NFL game when it rains, the officials allow you
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Speaker 5: to swap out the ball every single down, and often
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Speaker 5: they aren't throwing a wet ball even in a downpour.
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Speaker 4: Because of that. But it is a factor when you
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Speaker 4: got wind, and kickers and pass catchers and pass throwers
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Speaker 4: will tell you that's a bigger deal than rain or snow.
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Speaker 4: And if you get win, then there are a lot
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Speaker 4: of variables to change how far Jason Myers can kick
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Speaker 4: into the downtown open end the north end of the field,
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Speaker 4: for instance, that's the end where the wind comes in
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Speaker 4: from the sides the corners of the end zone, unlike
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Speaker 4: the south end, which is closed. And Myers, when we
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Speaker 4: talk to him, talks all the time about the winds
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Speaker 4: changing the Downtown end. If there's twenty minle hour winds
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Speaker 4: blowing through the stadium, no matter which direction you're going,
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Speaker 4: that is definitely going to change the limit that Mike
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Speaker 4: McDonald knows his kicker can go. Incidentally, he said Myers did,
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Speaker 4: and McDonald said that they were confident that Myers would
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Speaker 4: make the fifty six yard field goal to beat the
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Speaker 4: Colts into that open end because the win was not
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Speaker 4: a big factor in that game, and Myers got boosted
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Speaker 4: by the confidence of making a fifty two yard or
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Speaker 4: into the other end zone. At the end of the
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Speaker 4: first half, they thought the Colts kicker was beyond his line.
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Speaker 4: They had tagged him for less and fewer than sixty
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Speaker 4: yards to make his kick. Did he ended up making
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Speaker 4: from sixty. The kicking game in the passing game will
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Speaker 4: be affected if the wins are like you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be interesting and it's going to
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Speaker 2: be wet, but we shall see how if it is.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that they continue to really marry themselves
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Speaker 2: to the idea that we're going to run more than
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Speaker 2: everybody else. Whether it works or not. I mean maybe
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Speaker 2: the weather dictates some of the play calls as well.
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Speaker 4: Yes, they need to against the Rams and forty nine
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Speaker 4: ers because their defensive fronts are so active so athletic.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk Jalen Sidell, the Seahawks center yesterday about the
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Speaker 4: Rams front. He said, what makes them so good is
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Speaker 4: when they're young. But they are all really good at
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Speaker 4: both speed and power. And he said for a center,
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Speaker 4: that's tough. Usually defensive offensive excuse me, defensive linemen are
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Speaker 4: one or the other, really strong or really fast, not
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Speaker 4: offering it, they both. And he said everybody across the front,
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Speaker 4: including the linebackers for the Rams are both strong and fast,
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Speaker 4: and you got to be fast off the snap. And
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Speaker 4: for him that's especially tough because he snapping the ball
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Speaker 4: and you got to be strong enough to push them
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Speaker 4: out of the holes. They have the Seahawks for years
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Speaker 4: of that hard time running the ball against the Rams.
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Speaker 4: That could be the reason why they've remade their defense
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Speaker 4: on the fly, of course, and they had a Hall
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Speaker 4: of Famer retire they traded Ernest Jones, their middle linebacker,
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Speaker 4: and they still haven't been They've missed a beat. Sadell
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Speaker 4: thinks that's the challenge for the Seahawks. The biggest one
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Speaker 4: is their strength and their size. We've seen it, Bucky,
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Speaker 4: We've talked about it. Just because the Seahawks aren't running
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Speaker 4: for effectiveness doesn't mean they won't run. They got just
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Speaker 4: two point three yards per carry against the Colts. They're
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Speaker 4: going to keep running it, especially for the elements. But
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Speaker 4: even if they aren't that bad, no matter what the weather,
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Speaker 4: they're going to keep running it. Well. I think you're
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Speaker 4: going to see Thursday night. You didn't see Sunday against
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Speaker 4: the Colts. Robbie Oots at fullback. He was a curious,
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Speaker 4: healthy scratch for the first time in his career. Against Indianapolis,
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Speaker 4: they had Brady Russell in a few times they used fullback,
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Speaker 4: and we saw Russell drop a pass in the flat
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Speaker 4: when he faked that he was walking and the Colts
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Speaker 4: didn't even guard him. If he had covered caught that pass,
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Speaker 4: he would probably run for at least forty yards. Oots
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Speaker 4: will be in the lineup. I think that was a
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Speaker 4: tactical air and especially against the Rams I think oots
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Speaker 4: will be in the lineup and you'll see more eye formation.
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Speaker 1: Well, considering the quality of the opponent, greg and the
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Speaker 1: magnitude of the game, do they stick with it as
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Speaker 1: long as they have been? I mean, yes, you've gone
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Speaker 1: four and zero over your last four games, but it
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Speaker 1: just feels like you were trying to establish the run
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Speaker 1: for too long and the passing game has been the
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Speaker 1: team's bread and butter this year. So will we see
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Speaker 1: any sort of philosophical changes? And with the win settling
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Speaker 1: for field goals? It feels like, man, we're settling for
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Speaker 1: a lot of field goals these days, and then also
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Speaker 1: sticking with the run sometimes well into the third quarter,
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Speaker 1: even though it's not altogether working. Do you think we'll
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Speaker 1: see philosophical changes because of the magnitude of the opponent
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Speaker 1: and the game on Thursday?
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Speaker 4: No, If they got back and just start throwing forty
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Speaker 4: times in a monsoon and win, or even in a
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Speaker 4: bright sunny day, the Rams will kill them. The Rams
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Speaker 4: defensive front will overwhelm the Seahawks offensive line if the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks don't run that. I have about ten years of
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Speaker 4: history to back me up on that. No matter who
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Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator is no matter who the offensive linemen are,
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Speaker 4: no matter who the Rams put out on defense, that's
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Speaker 4: been a consistent team. They got to run, and they'd
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Speaker 4: run also because their defense is so damn good. They
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Speaker 4: want to control field position, They want to control time
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Speaker 4: of possession. They want to keep Stafford's hands off the
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Speaker 4: ball by keeping them on the sidelines. If you can
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Speaker 4: run enough to at least make the third downs manageable,
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Speaker 4: maybe your quarterback doesn't throw four interceptions and hand them
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Speaker 4: three touchdowns. That to me is the key to the
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Speaker 4: game on Thursday. Run enough to let the Seahawks defense
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Speaker 4: dictate the game. We've talked about this many times. We'll
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Speaker 4: probably talk about the roundtable this week again. With two
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Speaker 4: three games, Mike McDonald has played Sean McVay well throwing
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Speaker 4: out the JV game at the end of last season
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Speaker 4: because the Rams didn't play anybody, including Stafford, because they
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Speaker 4: had everything clinched. The two other games, the Rams had
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Speaker 4: one offensive touchdown in regulation before it went to overtime,
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Speaker 4: and they wanted including the hundred and three yard interception
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Speaker 4: return for a touchdown by Kitchens, they've changed the game.
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Speaker 4: When Gino Smith threw the an zone and then the
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Speaker 4: last time they played the Rams in Inglewood, the Seahawks
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Speaker 4: quarterback gave the Rams three touchdowns with four interceptions. Did
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Speaker 4: Seahawks didn't? I think it was one of the three
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Speaker 4: touchdowns that the Rams had to drive more than half
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Speaker 4: the field and they won twenty one nineteen. So you
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Speaker 4: could say pretty plausibly that the see Mike McDonald's defense
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Speaker 4: has given up two in two games, eight quarters have
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Speaker 4: given up two touchdowns that the Rams have had to
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Speaker 4: drive the field to get two against the number one
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Speaker 4: quarterback who's the best passer rating and one of the
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Speaker 4: best offensive minds of his generation. I McDonald would never
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Speaker 4: say this, but I think McDonald's got McVeigh schematically, and
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Speaker 4: I think he's got a few things new McVeagh hasn't
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Speaker 4: seen either coming up on Thursday night. So can the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks offense stay out of its own way and let
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Speaker 4: the defense win the game? That's the key on Thursday?
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Speaker 2: Do you know, I mean, do the injury reports and
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Speaker 2: stuff come out earlier since Thursday game?
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Speaker 4: Do you so?
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Speaker 2: Do we know how cross how injured people are? I
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Speaker 2: mean we didn't get to that yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, cross is the concern. So the NFL requires that
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Speaker 4: they put out a Monday report for a third the game,
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Speaker 4: even though they don't practice. They were out on the
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Speaker 4: field just walking around the game plan for the Rams
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Speaker 4: and the Seahawks estimated a Cross was a non participant
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Speaker 4: in that he was standing there doing the walkthrough, but
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Speaker 4: they would have estimated had they practiced what the Cross
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Speaker 4: would not have. He got injured on the final play
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Speaker 4: the field goal. He got basically got smushed to the
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Speaker 4: ground and did the splits and injured his hamstring as
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Speaker 4: soon as the Colts blocker jumped on top of basically
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Speaker 4: jumped over him and then landed on him. He did
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Speaker 4: the splits, grabbed the left handstring and was rolling around
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Speaker 4: in pain. McDonald said they are working pretty hard to
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Speaker 4: try to make him available for Thursday night. He said
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Speaker 4: it's possible cross plays, but that is probably going to
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Speaker 4: be a game time announcement and he'll probably be questionable
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Speaker 4: at best going into the game, which means Josh Jones
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Speaker 4: their swing tackle that they signed for this role, it
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Speaker 4: would likely be the left tackle. He was the right
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Speaker 4: tackle for a few plays when maybe Lucas went out
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Speaker 4: and into the injury for a few minutes and the
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Speaker 4: game against the Colts. But McDonald and everybody's saying that
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Speaker 4: abe lu because it's fine. He finished the game, but
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Speaker 4: Josh Jones would be on deck, and then Josh Jones
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Speaker 4: is going to get the reps in practice on Wednesday,
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Speaker 4: the one full practice they have this week.
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Speaker 1: Well, the name that will get the most attention via
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Speaker 1: injury report this week is DeVante Adams. Sean McVay says
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Speaker 1: that it's not looking good for him to play on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: Last time they played, he only caught one ball. Now
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Speaker 1: he's a tremendous red zone threat and at one ball
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Speaker 1: for one yard ended up being a touchdown. But how
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Speaker 1: much easier does that make life for the Seahawks defense
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Speaker 1: if you don't have to face Nakua and Adams on Thursday?
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Speaker 4: Well, certainly little hell. Then we've talked about this and
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Speaker 4: Jillian Low talked about it again yesterday. The Rams are
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Speaker 4: playing thirteen personnel quite a bit. What's that one running back,
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Speaker 4: three tight ends. Kobe Parkinson's been a big part of day.
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Speaker 4: Cut another touchdown pass against the Lions. I wasn't sure
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Speaker 4: that he was in the end zone, but they called
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Speaker 4: it a touchdown. But McVeigh has re invented himself, as Julian
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Speaker 4: Love aptly put it yesterday, and you'll hear from him
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Speaker 4: today when I'm filling in for Ian one to three.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk to Julian Love. They recorded the interview yesterday.
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Speaker 4: He said the Rams, as the rest of the NFL
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Speaker 4: is going small and fast on offense, McVeigh has pivoted
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Speaker 4: to big and strong and put three tight ends on
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Speaker 4: the field at one time. And Love said, the way
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Speaker 4: the NFL is, the offenses will catch up the pade
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Speaker 4: next year and then start doing three tight ends all
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Speaker 4: the time. But the thing about the three tight ends
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Speaker 4: is it gives the Rams the ability to run the
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Speaker 4: ball with extra blockers. Yet McVeigh is still running his
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Speaker 4: full Smorgats board of past routes and horizontal across the field,
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Speaker 4: plays with the Kua and Parkinson. Parkinson's basically come the
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Speaker 4: third wide receiver for the Rams. So if Adams isn't
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Speaker 4: going to play, they're going to have even more thirteen
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Speaker 4: personnel I would expect, and Kobe Parkinson's becomes a big
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Speaker 4: part of this game. The Seahawks think, and there's reason
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Speaker 4: that there's reason justification for this. The Seahawks think they're
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Speaker 4: uniquely equipped to handle the Rams thirteen personnel because of
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Speaker 4: one guy in particular, our buddy Nick even Worry, and
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Speaker 4: the fact that Emon Worry, at two hundred and twenty
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Speaker 4: pounds and sixty three, can guard wide receivers and tight
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Speaker 4: ends and stop the run and rush the quarterback and
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Speaker 4: played defensive end. There's nobody else in the league that
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Speaker 4: has that weapon. The Seahawks are uniquely qualified to stop
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Speaker 4: thirteen personnel thres because of Nick even Worry.
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Speaker 2: I'm heading into this game, man, I mean, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: there's been bigger regular season games. You know, when you
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Speaker 2: get into the final week and it's winning, you're in,
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Speaker 2: the losing you're out. But with all of this stuff,
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Speaker 2: the number one seed and the division all that stuff,
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Speaker 2: I mean, can you remember a game with a few
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Speaker 2: weeks after the season that's been bigger than this one?
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Speaker 4: The only other one is when the Seahawks and forty
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Speaker 4: nine Ers played for the division title on Sunday night
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Speaker 4: on the last game of the season at Lewinfield. What
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Speaker 4: was that three? Was it pre pandemic or post pandemic?
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Speaker 4: I can't even remember, and I'm not mistaken. Yeah, the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks still made the playoffs that year. I can't believe.
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Speaker 4: I can't even remember what year there was. I think
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Speaker 4: it was twenty nineteen or so. They made the playoffs
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Speaker 4: that year, so that wasn't an all or nothing situation,
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Speaker 4: nor is this. But you're right, Bucky. They either going
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Speaker 4: to be the first seed or the fifth seed, depending
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Speaker 4: on largely on the result of this game. If the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks lose Thursday to win the division, they would need
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Speaker 4: the Rams to lose twice and they would have to
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Speaker 4: beat the forty nine ers. The Rams after this game
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Speaker 4: are playing Atlanta in Arizona. They're not losing those games.
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Speaker 4: They could put their C squad out and they'll be
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Speaker 4: either one of those two teams. So the Seahawks will
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Speaker 4: lose the division if they don't win this game. What's
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Speaker 4: that mean? That means a road game at Tampa Bay
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Speaker 4: and then they win that game in the wild Card,
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Speaker 4: a road game at probably Chicago or Green Bay. That's
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Speaker 4: no way to make the Super Bowl to go to
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Speaker 4: Chicago and Green Bay after Tampa Bay, and there'll be snowstorm.
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Speaker 4: Every time I've driven to Green Bay for a playoff game,
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Speaker 4: it's just been an absolute blizzard and blow out, whiteout conditions,
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Speaker 4: so they could really do themselves a favorite witting Thursday Night,
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Speaker 4: to say the least. But here's the thing. Even if
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks win Thursday Night, they still got to go
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Speaker 4: down to Santa Clair and win that game or they
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Speaker 4: won't win the division. The way the forty nine ers
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Speaker 4: are playing, the Niners have a tougher road. They've got
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Speaker 4: Chicago still to play after they go to Indianapolis and
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Speaker 4: the Grandpa Quarterback on Monday night. And so suffice to say,
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks can go from either having all the home
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Speaker 4: games come to the Seattle car Wash in January or
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Speaker 4: traveling all over the country. You have to win three
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Speaker 4: games on the road to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Greg Meller, Seahawks Insider, is with us, and I think
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Speaker 1: we just use our last minute because maybe we don't
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Speaker 1: talk about it enough. But Jason Myers deserves some love, Greg.
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Speaker 1: I mean, has he turned into the best kicker in
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Speaker 1: the National Football League right before our eyes.
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Speaker 4: He might be the best kicker of the Seawks I've
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Speaker 4: ever had, and I really liked Steven Hauska for them.
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Speaker 4: He's twenty three of his last twenty four. You guys,
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Speaker 4: remember what the one miss was right.
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Speaker 1: If I had time to think about it, but you
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Speaker 1: better answer it for us.
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Speaker 4: It was like from Hollywood Hills against the Rams from
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Speaker 4: sixty nine thousand yards to try to win the game
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Speaker 4: at the very end of desperate kick. That's the only
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Speaker 4: one he's missed in months. He's thirty seven of forty
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Speaker 4: two on the season. Thirty seven is now a team record,
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Speaker 4: the most field goals ever by a Seahawks kicker, and
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Speaker 4: they still have three games left. Now, the Seahawks would
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Speaker 4: rather than him not be setting records for most field
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Speaker 4: goals because it means they're malfunctioning in the red zone.
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Speaker 4: And that's another key to Thursday Night's game is they
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Speaker 4: need some seven points instead of three points on all
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Speaker 4: those drives to get Meyers in position for field goals.
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Speaker 4: But yes, when they get to the opposing forty five
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Speaker 4: yard line, they think they can get Jason Myers. It
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Speaker 4: can get him three points. That's a powerful weapon in
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Speaker 4: your play calling. In your approach. You don't have to
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Speaker 4: drop back to pass necessarily on third and long of
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Speaker 4: the opposing the plus forty five because you know you
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Speaker 4: have a kicker can bang it from fifty six plus.
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Speaker 4: Now the weather Thursday might mitigate some of that distance,
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Speaker 4: but his accuracy, Yeah, that's a huge weapon. And in
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Speaker 4: this league, when games are this close and you have
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Speaker 4: a kicker who's going to kick three through the uprights
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Speaker 4: almost every time, that's a massive advantage. And I'll tell
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Speaker 4: you what between Michael Dixon, I don't care what the
18:19
Speaker 4: stats say about Michael Dixon. He's a magician. And sometimes
18:22
Speaker 4: he doesn't kick it seventy yards, but often he kicks
18:25
Speaker 4: it exactly where he wants to to the side. He
18:28
Speaker 4: makes balls go ninety degrees out of bounds. And the
18:31
Speaker 4: other thing Jason Myers has been really good in is
18:34
Speaker 4: the kickoffs. Lately, he's been a little bit shorter and
18:37
Speaker 4: or too deep and putting it in the end zone
18:39
Speaker 4: for touchbacks, but most of the season he has pinned
18:42
Speaker 4: returners on their own goal line in the corner where
18:45
Speaker 4: the guys have to catch it and then they get
18:47
Speaker 4: nothing on the return. He's been really good at nailing
18:50
Speaker 4: that target zone and making the receiver have to bring
18:54
Speaker 4: it out right at the goal line and usually at
18:57
Speaker 4: one side of the field where the covers can hem
18:58
Speaker 4: him in. The Seahawks have two excellent kicker punters that
19:03
Speaker 4: give them a huge advantage.
19:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I better kick returner now too, since the trade down.
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Shi going straight up the field with little
19:10
Speaker 4: time on the clock really helped them. If he went
19:13
Speaker 4: to the far side of the field, that would have
19:15
Speaker 4: taken a longer time and he wou would not have
19:17
Speaker 4: gotten to the thirty seven yard line, which is the
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Speaker 4: second best drive start against the Colts that they had.
19:22
Speaker 4: I asked McDonald about that. He said, part of it
19:24
Speaker 4: was that the return call was to that side, but
19:27
Speaker 4: part of it was because of the decisiveness of shihed
19:30
Speaker 4: to just run a straight line up the field, knowing
19:32
Speaker 4: that they had needed every one of those forty two seconds.
19:35
Speaker 4: He didn't mess around with trying to go across the field.
19:37
Speaker 4: He went straight up the field and got thirty five
19:39
Speaker 4: plus yards on that return. Those are a little unhidden
19:42
Speaker 4: type of decisions as people don't you know, and you'll
19:45
Speaker 4: obviously get I mean, he runs around a little bit
19:48
Speaker 4: and they only have like twenty eight seconds instead of
19:50
Speaker 4: thirty seven to start that drive.
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Speaker 1: That stuff matters, all right, Greg, excellent stuff. We will
19:55
Speaker 1: do it.
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Speaker 4: Again tomorrow, Yes, sir, that's a Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: weekly eight o'clock visit and Rick new isil for his
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Speaker 1: playoff or playoff that is happening this weekend. But I
20:49
Speaker 1: do want to find some times at some point this
20:51
Speaker 1: week to talk about Mariners hot stove. We did have
20:54
Speaker 1: a big story over the weekend that we still really
20:56
Speaker 1: haven'ts taken much time to discuss, and the pending move
21:00
Speaker 1: that keeps just hanging over the city. That might be
21:04
Speaker 1: the corresponding move to losing Jorge Polonco, which I'll get
21:08
Speaker 1: to in a moment, but let's start with Polonco. We
21:11
Speaker 1: touched on it yesterday. I didn't really get to dive
21:13
Speaker 1: into it. But he's now in New York Met two years,
21:16
Speaker 1: forty million dollars. They stole him away from Seattle. It
21:20
Speaker 1: sounds like the Mariners had made a very competitive offer
21:23
Speaker 1: that Polonko was torn between the two, a less financial
21:28
Speaker 1: offer and yet the ability to stay in a place
21:31
Speaker 1: that he's comfortable in that he likes with an organization
21:34
Speaker 1: that's a winner, and he decided to take the money.
21:38
Speaker 1: So Jae Polonco is now a Met and we are
21:41
Speaker 1: Polonko less.
21:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's bummer considering how he bounced back
21:46
Speaker 2: last year. But I mean there's a there's a number
21:48
Speaker 2: that's somewhere in there, and I don't know if it's
21:51
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars is crazy far off. I think the
21:54
Speaker 2: way he played last year, he probably was somewhere around
21:56
Speaker 2: fifteen and maybe a little bit more than that. Now
21:59
Speaker 2: if he didn't want to match the forty million bucks
22:02
Speaker 2: two years, twenty million bucks a year, if you didn't
22:04
Speaker 2: want to match that, Then you got to figure out
22:06
Speaker 2: something because he would have been a guy that could
22:09
Speaker 2: be at second base if if Cole Young or whoever,
22:12
Speaker 2: one of your youngsters doesn't fulfill that spot and kind
22:15
Speaker 2: of come to fruition truly and or your dh if
22:19
Speaker 2: if one of those youngsters does do that, even play
22:22
Speaker 2: some third base, possibly I think with a little bit
22:24
Speaker 2: more work that could happen this year.
22:26
Speaker 1: Being injured and had his side thing.
22:28
Speaker 2: That that whole thing kind of threw it off a
22:30
Speaker 2: little bit. But yeah, now you got to figure out
22:32
Speaker 2: something because I liked what he did for you last year.
22:35
Speaker 2: At the same time, you only have so much you
22:37
Speaker 2: can spend. Apparently, you know they have a budget and
22:40
Speaker 2: that wasn't in it to be able to fill that
22:42
Speaker 2: and the other holes they feel they need to hope fill.
22:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no cap in Major League Baseball, but we
22:47
Speaker 1: know that the Mariners operate under a budget. And for
22:50
Speaker 1: those that just like it's not my money, just spend it.
22:53
Speaker 1: You know you have it, just spend it, They're just
22:55
Speaker 1: not going to operate that way. So if you're just
22:58
Speaker 1: gonna every year, expect them to spend whatever it takes
23:02
Speaker 1: to get a player that you desire to have, you're
23:05
Speaker 1: just gonna end up disappointed every year. The market, I
23:09
Speaker 1: think a lot of people have misread it, and I
23:11
Speaker 1: think the Blue Jays are partly responsible for blowing it
23:14
Speaker 1: out of the water. They are overpaying for everything that
23:17
Speaker 1: moves in Toronto right now. And I don't know if
23:21
Speaker 1: the Mariners or anybody else saw Hore Polonko reaching twenty
23:25
Speaker 1: million dollars per year this offseason, but the Braves just
23:28
Speaker 1: signed Hassan Kim coming off a bad year, to a
23:31
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year contract last night, So obviously
23:35
Speaker 1: the market is playing is we're having a lot hotter
23:38
Speaker 1: than what a lot of people were forecasting at the
23:40
Speaker 1: beginning of this process. Still, I think that they had
23:44
Speaker 1: a number for Polonko. It sounds like it was competitive.
23:48
Speaker 1: But Jorge just used this opportunity, probably his last opportunity,
23:53
Speaker 1: at age thirty two, to get as much money as
23:55
Speaker 1: he possibly could out of this sport, and that's what
23:58
Speaker 1: he did. He took a little extra money to go
24:01
Speaker 1: play for the New York Mets. And it stinks, but
24:04
Speaker 1: I do respect an organization that says, hey, here's where
24:08
Speaker 1: we value you. And we think it's bad business to
24:12
Speaker 1: start just spending whatever it takes because it means we're
24:16
Speaker 1: going to have to sacrifice something else at another position.
24:19
Speaker 2: Or at another time, right, I mean in another position
24:22
Speaker 2: at this point in time, because they are they're only
24:24
Speaker 2: going to spend what they feel comfortable doing. You can
24:27
Speaker 2: agree with that or disagree with that. You just should
24:29
Speaker 2: understand it. Or and or if you all of a
24:32
Speaker 2: sudden start paying you know, longer deals. Next thing, you know,
24:35
Speaker 2: you find yourself in a position where you're on the
24:38
Speaker 2: edge of being still a contender, and yet you need
24:42
Speaker 2: to get rid of some bad contracts so that you
24:44
Speaker 2: can kind of redo the thing, kind of rebuild the
24:45
Speaker 2: whole thing.
24:46
Speaker 1: We're not anywhere near that.
24:47
Speaker 2: We just kind of got done with the rebuild right now,
24:49
Speaker 2: and now it's just figuring out what you need to
24:52
Speaker 2: add to solidify this thing to finish the job and
24:54
Speaker 2: go win a World Series. But yeah, there's a number
24:57
Speaker 2: basically what you think he's worth, and you can maybe
25:01
Speaker 2: extend that a little bit, but there comes a point
25:03
Speaker 2: when you're like, I can't compete with the Mets dude,
25:05
Speaker 2: the Cone dude. If he want him and he's willing
25:08
Speaker 2: to go way over what you're willing to pay, and
25:10
Speaker 2: I don't think.
25:10
Speaker 1: It's way over, but it's over, I do, and I
25:13
Speaker 1: do think it's important to point out. As much as
25:15
Speaker 1: I like Jorge Polonko, I'm pretty sure I liked him
25:17
Speaker 1: more this entire time than just about anybody listening right now.
25:21
Speaker 1: I really like him, and I was glad that he
25:22
Speaker 1: had a bounce back season this past year, There's no
25:25
Speaker 1: question about that, and he helped us achieve some pretty
25:27
Speaker 1: cool things. But he's not the guy to go all
25:32
Speaker 1: in on. You know, he's he's good, but he's also
25:37
Speaker 1: thirty going to be thirty three, with a history of injuries,
25:41
Speaker 1: doesn't really play great defense anywhere, and I just don't
25:45
Speaker 1: think he's the guy to break your budget for. So
25:48
Speaker 1: if he's, you know, going for five six million dollars
25:52
Speaker 1: more than you think he's worth, then you move on
25:54
Speaker 1: from him. And there are We're early enough in the
25:57
Speaker 1: offseason process that there are other op out there, and
26:01
Speaker 1: I think Brendan Donovan, who's a name that keeps coming up.
26:04
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are looking to move on from Brendan Donovan,
26:07
Speaker 1: who won a Gold Glove as a utility player that
26:10
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's an elite defender. It just means he's
26:12
Speaker 1: pretty good at a few different things. He's available, he
26:16
Speaker 1: can hit a little bit. He's got two years left
26:18
Speaker 1: on his original contract, so he's still a couple of
26:23
Speaker 1: years away from making his bank. And so you could
26:26
Speaker 1: get Brendan Donovan. I think it would be a nice
26:29
Speaker 1: pivot from losing Horgete Polanco. I think that he gives
26:33
Speaker 1: you what Horte Polonco was giving you that said man Bucky.
26:38
Speaker 1: The names they're throwing around, and I'm not just talking
26:42
Speaker 1: about Cardinal Baseball fans who have a you know, newsletter.
26:48
Speaker 1: I mean the names they're throwing around that Brendan Donovan
26:52
Speaker 1: is worth, or that the Cardinals are asking for you
26:54
Speaker 1: are flat out of your minds. There is no way
26:58
Speaker 1: on Earth I would trade Las Montes straight up for
27:01
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan. And yet there are deals involving multiple top
27:07
Speaker 1: prospects from the Mariners that some people are trying to
27:11
Speaker 1: play off as fair trade value. I want him, and
27:14
Speaker 1: I'll I'll give up a prospect or two to get him.
27:17
Speaker 1: I mean be happy to have him. I think he'd
27:19
Speaker 1: be an asset on this team. But it better he
27:23
Speaker 1: better not cost what some of these people are speculating
27:26
Speaker 1: that he costs in terms of trade value.
27:28
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I saw one that said it was
27:30
Speaker 2: actually lance Lynn, right, the former pitcher, saying, wow, we're
27:34
Speaker 2: not just giving away. We'd want like Bryce Miller and
27:36
Speaker 2: a prospect. And I'm like, okay, I don't know for
27:39
Speaker 2: sure about that, but no way, I don't want to
27:42
Speaker 2: give up Las Montees either.
27:43
Speaker 1: But you're it.
27:45
Speaker 2: The beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right,
27:47
Speaker 2: whether you behold him now or you're the one that
27:50
Speaker 2: wants to be beholding him, however you want to look
27:52
Speaker 2: at it. I mean, it's Brendan Donovan in his four
27:55
Speaker 2: years at time, he's a two to eighty hitter. That's
27:57
Speaker 2: like hitting three ninety nowadays. That I mean, the dude
28:01
Speaker 2: gets on base. He's got good plate discipline, he can
28:03
Speaker 2: play a bunch of places and he does it well.
28:06
Speaker 1: He also has no power and no speed. I mean,
28:08
Speaker 1: there is a limited player. He could be an asset,
28:12
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna hit twenty five home runs like
28:14
Speaker 1: Polanco did.
28:15
Speaker 2: No, No, I agree, I mean, but if hit fifteen,
28:18
Speaker 2: but you're getting on base at a similar clip. I
28:21
Speaker 2: mean there, he's not. He's not gonna be the power guy.
28:24
Speaker 2: I agree with you. And yet if you find another
28:27
Speaker 2: spot for that power, or you get that power, you
28:29
Speaker 2: get full season of Josh Naylor. And you know, if
28:31
Speaker 2: Cal Rowley still has good years, even if he's not
28:34
Speaker 2: hitting sixty, he's gonna have some good years. We still
28:37
Speaker 2: haven't seen Julio break out for like a full blown
28:40
Speaker 2: Julio season, which when that comes, that's gonna be a
28:43
Speaker 2: fun thing to watch. So getting more guys on base
28:46
Speaker 2: for when those guys come up, or the you know
28:48
Speaker 2: singles that drive in guys, I'm all for it too,
28:50
Speaker 2: But yes it, I don't know where it is to me.
28:53
Speaker 2: I might give up a prospect, sure, I don't want
28:55
Speaker 2: to give up last month as though, just because that's
28:57
Speaker 2: what I've been waiting for, is a big power guy
29:00
Speaker 2: that we've developed ourselves.
29:02
Speaker 1: But give up a couple of prospects, good prospects. But
29:05
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up one single elite prospect in the organization,
29:10
Speaker 1: not even one. Give Montes straight up for Donovan, no
29:15
Speaker 1: chance I hear for a pudgy middle infielder who can't
29:19
Speaker 1: run or hit for power. No way am I giving
29:22
Speaker 1: up a guy even with the potential to be your
29:25
Speaker 1: Dan Alvarez, even in the neighborhood of being Jordan Alvarez.
29:28
Speaker 4: No, I hear you.
29:29
Speaker 1: I'm not wanting to do that either.
29:30
Speaker 2: It's just the idea of you getting a guy that
29:33
Speaker 2: is a proven big league player that can play do
29:36
Speaker 2: what he does well. He can do it well at
29:37
Speaker 2: the big league level now versus and you have him
29:40
Speaker 2: for like three more years this year and two more
29:43
Speaker 2: years after that before he fulfills his arbitration.
29:46
Speaker 1: And the moment the Cardinals start being reasonable, I'm interested,
29:51
Speaker 1: but we're going to make a reasonable deal. You gotta
29:53
Speaker 1: start being reasonable about what it is that you're dangling
29:56
Speaker 1: out there, all right? Coming up next, more on the Seahawks,
29:59
Speaker 1: Rams out of a factor. Will the kicking game be
30:02
Speaker 1: on the on Sunday or excuse me Thursday? Sports Radio
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Speaker 1: ninety three point three kJ R f M. A lot
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Speaker 1: of things to discuss with Gene as we get ready
30:10
Speaker 1: for Thursday. And I fought balls, Hey octipiers as Rams.
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Speaker 1: Everything is on the line, the freedom of mankind.
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Speaker 3: That's on the line.
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Speaker 1: Yes on Thursday, Yes, two days yes, and mankind. Mankind
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Speaker 1: is a four and a half point underdog by the way, Yeah,
30:26
Speaker 1: so exactly, so maybe start taking seriously Ashley, Yeah.
30:32
Speaker 2: To get points then at least.
30:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get points four and a half point underdog.
30:38
Speaker 1: So so yes, a huge game A lot at Steak
30:41
Speaker 1: on Thursday, we were talking off the air with Coach
30:45
Speaker 1: Holmgren about how easy it is to kick field goals.
30:48
Speaker 1: And this is not taking away from Jason Myers. I
30:49
Speaker 1: think Jason Myers turns out that we've got the best
30:52
Speaker 1: kicker in the world right now, and that's going to
30:54
Speaker 1: be a tremendous asset because I'm pretty sure they're not
30:56
Speaker 1: going to change the kicking rules between now and the
30:59
Speaker 1: end of the season. But we did chat you and
31:03
Speaker 1: I with coach off the air about whether or not
31:05
Speaker 1: that is something they need to adjust in the future,
31:07
Speaker 1: and Coach is all for it, because as good as
31:11
Speaker 1: these guys are now, and as strong as their legs are,
31:14
Speaker 1: and then we've changed the kick return rules to all
31:17
Speaker 1: of it, it's just way too easy to kick a
31:20
Speaker 1: field goal right now in the game. I suggested to
31:24
Speaker 1: Coach that the only thing you got to do is
31:26
Speaker 1: just narrow the goalposts, just bring them in to make
31:29
Speaker 1: it a little trickier. To kick that field goal. I
31:32
Speaker 1: don't know of the NFL. I don't know if this
31:35
Speaker 1: was unforeseen for the NFL or if this is exactly
31:38
Speaker 1: what they were trying to achieve, to have a game
31:41
Speaker 1: in doubt within a minute and a half and you
31:44
Speaker 1: could have three different scores in a minute and a
31:45
Speaker 1: half because it's so easy to kick a field goal. Now.
31:48
Speaker 1: I don't know what they had in mind, but coach
31:50
Speaker 1: doesn't like it. I don't think I do either. I
31:53
Speaker 1: think we got to change this a little bit because
31:55
Speaker 1: it's way too easy to get three points right.
31:57
Speaker 5: Now in the way.
31:58
Speaker 2: Well I don't want okay, yeah, we were having that convererce.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to make it more difficult to make
32:04
Speaker 2: the field goal. I want to make it to where
32:06
Speaker 2: it's more that it's back to the way it was
32:08
Speaker 2: of where you can make field goals from. I don't
32:11
Speaker 2: want seventy yard field goals because you should have to
32:14
Speaker 2: earn getting close enough to earn three points. The idea
32:17
Speaker 2: of a field goal to me was you had a
32:19
Speaker 2: drive and then you got down somewhere past like the forty, say,
32:24
Speaker 2: into your opponent's territory, into the forty You typically used
32:28
Speaker 2: to I really like to get to the thirty five,
32:30
Speaker 2: maybe even the thirty, because that's a thirty. If it's
32:33
Speaker 2: a thirty, that's a forty seven yard field goal. That
32:35
Speaker 2: used to be like, should make that that's a I
32:37
Speaker 2: got to the thirty and we stalled out.
32:39
Speaker 1: It's fourth and ten.
32:41
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the three points, like, and you
32:43
Speaker 2: feel good that you're gonna get three points. I don't
32:45
Speaker 2: want it to wear like we got to the forty
32:47
Speaker 2: seven yard line, we might kick it from here, like
32:50
Speaker 2: that's my midfield.
32:52
Speaker 1: It's easy. You're a midfield. That's not where you're supposed
32:55
Speaker 1: to be.
32:55
Speaker 2: You know, you're not supposed to be just booting sixty
32:58
Speaker 2: five yarders like left and right. So to me, it
33:00
Speaker 2: was when they allowed them to change the kicking balls
33:04
Speaker 2: to where they can smooth them out so there's less
33:06
Speaker 2: friction and that thing they can kick them further. It's
33:08
Speaker 2: not like over the course of one year every kicker
33:11
Speaker 2: just got way stronger legs. You've made it easier for
33:14
Speaker 2: them to kick it, and then the different spin when
33:17
Speaker 2: it comes off their foot is what makes that thing
33:19
Speaker 2: veer off. And that's where there used to be more
33:21
Speaker 2: misses too. You'd hook one just a little bit, and
33:23
Speaker 2: the hook more. Now you'll see somebody kick one and
33:26
Speaker 2: it looks like it's going to hook, and then what's
33:27
Speaker 2: it do? Stays straight and stays true for the most part.
33:30
Speaker 2: So I don't want to necessarily change the entirety of
33:32
Speaker 2: the kicking. I just want to get it back to
33:34
Speaker 2: where you had to earn getting close enough to be
33:37
Speaker 2: in three points.
33:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, so one of the other.
33:40
Speaker 1: Either you have to kick lopsided balls from now on
33:44
Speaker 1: and not smooth ones that you get to take home
33:47
Speaker 1: and baby and put oil on and everything else, and
33:50
Speaker 1: make sure that they have the right kind of ability
33:53
Speaker 1: to fly through the air. Maybe we take that away
33:55
Speaker 1: from them. Or if you can't do that, I do
33:57
Speaker 1: think you got I mean, it wouldn't change anything about game.
34:00
Speaker 1: You just narrow the goalposts a little bit, and it
34:03
Speaker 1: make it more difficult. So the coach has to at
34:05
Speaker 1: least think about whether or not they want to attempt
34:08
Speaker 1: a sixty one yard field goal or give the ball
34:12
Speaker 1: to the other team past the fifty yard line. Yeah.
34:15
Speaker 1: I do think it takes away some of the excitement
34:17
Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, they only have to get ten yards.
34:19
Speaker 1: Once they got the ball, you're yeah, well that's not
34:21
Speaker 1: as fun. I don't know if they saw that. I mean,
34:24
Speaker 1: I would like to think that they did the calculations
34:27
Speaker 1: on that maybe, And I don't know if they saw
34:30
Speaker 1: it and decided, yeah, that'll be fun, or if they
34:34
Speaker 1: just didn't see it coming at all. But that's where
34:36
Speaker 1: we are right now. Yeah, if you get the ball
34:38
Speaker 1: with six seconds left in regulation play, you have to
34:41
Speaker 1: complete one deep pass and if you can get out
34:44
Speaker 1: of bounds, you got a chance to win the game.
34:46
Speaker 1: It's like we put college football in charge of kicking. Yeah,
34:49
Speaker 1: who would have made that decision?
34:51
Speaker 4: All right?
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Speaker 1: Jeans Terrator is going to join us next Sports Radio
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