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SmokeySaint Angry at Panda Bill, ProverbsGuy OSAS, Mentally Destructive Shanny, Jason, Von Helton · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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This border wall was begun during the Bush administration,
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a victory for the hardliners in the immigration debate, but far
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from putting on the brakes. President Barack Obama has
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ordered the fence to be completed, and that has many
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border residents up in arms. I think the American people,
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they appreciate and believe in immigration, but they can't have
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a situation where you just have half a million people pouring
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over the border without any kind of mechanism to control the.
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President in 2014. And that's why we're going to
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keep focusing enforcement resources on actual threats to
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our security. Americans.
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Not only in the States most heavily affected, but in every
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place in this country are rightly disturbed.
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By the large. Numbers of illegal aliens
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entering our country, the jobs they hold might otherwise be
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held by citizens or legal immigrants.
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The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.
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That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure
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our borders more by hiring a record number of new border
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guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever
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before. By cracking down on illegal
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hiring. By barring welfare benefits to
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illegal aliens. OK, that was 1995.
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President Clinton at the State of the Union address sounding
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very much like President Trump. What are your views with this
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new government in Mexico? The issue of the border and the
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fence and also the issue of the 12 million undocumented workers
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that we have here in the US. Mexico is such an important
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problem on our doorstep. Mexican government's policies
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are pushing migration N across our border.
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Very briefly, on immigration, there isn't any sensible
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approach except to do what we need to do simultaneously, you
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know, secure our borders with technology, personnel, physical
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barriers if necessary in some places.
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And we need to have tougher employer sanctions and then give
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them some earned right to legalization that will enable
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them to continue to work. If they've committed
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transgressions of whatever kind, they should be obviously
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deported and stop terrorists seeking to enter our country.
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The bill will also help our government better with tools to
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enforce our immigration laws and.
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To secure our southern. Border This bill is going to
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make this country safer for all. We stepped up worksite
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enforcement against companies who knowingly hire illegal
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workers. We're sending a clear signal
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that we're a nation of law and laws will be enforced.
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In fact, that's the real amnesty.
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Pretending we can deport 11 million people or build a wall
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without spending 10s of billions of dollars of taxpayer money is
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abetting what is really just factually incorrect.
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It's it's not going to work. The bill before us will
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certainly do some good. It will authorize some badly
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needed funding for better fences and better security along our
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borders. And that should help stem some
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of the tide of illegal immigration in this country.
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Senator McConnell wanted me to negotiate the wall with
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President Trump. I said to him two things.
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First, it's not a negotiation. No wall.
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And second, I said only you can persuade him that he shouldn't
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do the wall because it'll cause a government shutdown.
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Illegal immigration is wrong, and a primary goal of
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comprehensive immigration reform must be to dramatically curtail
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future illegal immigration. Second, operational control of
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our borders through significant additional increases in
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infrastructure, technology and border personnel.
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Must be achieved within a year of enactment.
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Well. If the platforms whether it's
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Facebook or Twitter X or. Instagram or TikTok, whatever
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they are, if they don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose
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total control. And it's not just the social and
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psychological effects, it's real harm.
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I'm the spark in the circuit, the pulse and no wire casting
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spells in the mainframe. Setting servers on fire beyond
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dreams in my veins. Got the code in my soul.
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Techno wizard. I'm spinning, taking full
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control. Understands on the keys like a
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mage with the wand dropping beats so electric make the
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future respond. Holograms in the air watch the
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colors collide. I'm the ruler of rhythms on the
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stitcher. Like no wizard boom boom feel
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the power of eyes lighting up the night with stars in my eyes
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like no. Wizard.
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Boom boom, let the baseline shake the room, casting spells
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in the dark with the Sonic zoom. Pixel Potions I brew in the
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virtual haze, mixing loops and effects for Sonic Maze.
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Quantum Clock sticking fast, but I'm bending the time.
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Every beats a new spell, every bar's a new rhyme.
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I'm the glitch in the the fucking scream.
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Building worlds out of sound, living life in the dream.
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Love me into the grid. Let my frequency soar.
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Check the Wizards alive and I'm ready for more.
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Check the wizard boom boom Feel the power rise, lighting up the
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night with stars in my eyes. Check the wizard boom boom.
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Let the baseline shake the room. Catch the spells in the dark
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with the. Sonic.
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Brave breeze the frame, rewind, let the circuits ignite, sink
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the stars align where we're electric tonight.
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Every fights a new charm, every ways a new spell.
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Take no Wizards in charge and I'm raising some.
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Set No Wizard Boom boom. Feel the power arise, lighting
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up the night with stars in my eyes.
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Set no wizard Boom boom let the face light shake the room.
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Cast the spells in the dark with the Sonic zoom.
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That's simple. Very good.
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So what did you guys think about all that?
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We still got Democrats even today crying and moaning about
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the wall and putting out illegals and criminals and all
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that kind of stuff. But back before Trump got in, it
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seemed like that was a song and dance and all the Democrats were
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singing and babbling about. Now all of a sudden they change
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their mind whenever it's a conservative and Republican who
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does more than talk about it. Also some news.
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Apparently they have decided to not imply that the Epstein list
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was a joke or a hoax or some kind of nonsense.
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There's a bunch of Republicans and Democrats coming together
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finally finally. And they have brought all the
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survivors of the Epstein list as well as information on the ones
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who have. Unfortunately, I'm alive
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themselves or passed away and they are going to prosecute.
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So that is really good news. We might actually see some
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justice in America. Now.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the link is out in the comments as well
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as the description. If you would like to come in,
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participate, shoot the shit, have a open debate, discussion,
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conversation, anything like that, you are more than welcome
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to come in and talk with me. My day has been something else.
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I just got them recently watching Stranger Things as well
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as a movie with Keanu Reeves. It's an older movie called 41 or
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47 Round and something like that.
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It's a samurai movie based upon ancient cultures and all that
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good stuff. So how's everybody doing out
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there? I am looking at the comments.
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How's everybody's day? How's everybody been doing?
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Anybody got a microphone? You want to come in and chat,
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Let's have a conversation. Had the scheduled all week long.
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It doesn't matter if you're a non believer or you're religious
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or believe in a different faith, you're more than welcome to come
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in here. Let's see, Ball says.
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We want to see the list that Trump said existed when he was
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campaigning, the list he is now dithering about.
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Well, although Donald Trump definitely messed up with saying
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that it's a hoax and a trick nowadays, he is actually
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encouraging Republicans and Democrats to put the information
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out. So that is good.
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I actually did a video recently on my radio, an exclusive one,
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where Republicans are coming forward and they say they even
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while they're doing their speeches, they have the
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survivors behind them and they're all putting it together.
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So yes, Sir, their excuse for why it is that they've been
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moping around about this and taking a long time as a lot of
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these women who were, you know, violated and done this way
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whenever they were young girls, they say that the men who did
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this to them were very powerful men, men who they feel threaten
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them and could end their life or sue them into oblivion and all
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this kind of stuff. This is the reason why they
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claim they don't just outright drop it.
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They're trying to make sure that they have a solid case before
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they get in there into the brutality.
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Well, Claude, that's Donald Trump's deal.
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I don't know. I just know that our next social
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media, a lot of Republicans and Democrats have been posting
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video after video talking about what they're going to do on
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that. Are they actually going to?
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Who knows? I know if it was me, I would
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have already had that shit out there before the print even
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dried. But that's me.
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That's just me, ladies and gentlemen.
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Well, I guess while we're waiting for people to show up, I
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am also going live through my radio station, so I don't want
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dead air. I'll give people an opportunity
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to come in if they want to. While we're waiting, I guess
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we'll listen to some noise. There we go.
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This is called freestyle. This that first class third
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world running up the digits. This that kid money plus your
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girl how we handle business. This that real life get it
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right. Stay away from gimmicks.
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This that hometown hero, but we moving like the villains.
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This that top notch. Keep it hot burning all the
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bridges. This that one way here to stay.
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Wait until he finish this, that maze strong way beyond anything
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that you witness. Especially when you're driving.
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This is your pilot. Bugger up.
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You know we get it, rowdy. Look at look, because we get it
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violent, baby. Be honest.
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First time doing it. Allowed it.
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Lay you down. Want to do the homie fucking up
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the city by Simon. Get them all.
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Check it out. My job.
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So we hit them with the rock. Do we bounce it?
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Yeah, bounce. Careful what you bring in my
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house. I ain't really fucking with the
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second shit now, but the vampires fucking with the cow.
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Dracula going for the trick of them.
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And they be trying to mirror myself.
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They be trying to fuck them up. Bigger.
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Go bigger, because can nobody figure this out?
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This not a protagon, this activist against all of your
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idols. My dogs all like got them all
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howling, growling. You ain't allowed.
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All right, that was freestyle. I hope you guys enjoyed that
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So ladies and gentlemen, the link is out in the description.
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If you'd like to have a discussion, Let me take a look
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and see what's going on on next social media as we speak.
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Let's see, let's see what kind of craziness we got going on.
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Let's see, I'm going to have to take a sip of coffee here soon.
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My throat's a little raspy from doing stuff earlier.
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Uh oh, what is this? Let me see if I can put this up
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on the screen. Let's see, we're going to do a
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what kind of a screen share type of deal if possible.
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Let's see. Select window.
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OK, I think that this will work. Here we go.
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Let me make sure it's up. There we go.
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All right, I guess we'll go through this and take a look.
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What's Trump doing now? According to Caroline Leavitt,
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Washington Times, Trump issuing the 200th executive order,
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setting unprecedented pace in modern history.
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I have no idea what this executive order is.
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She decided not to make that clear.
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But it's his 200th one. That's for short.
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Let's see. Never ask a woman her age and a
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man his salary. All right.
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Good advice. Or a Darwinist.
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Why there are no transitional fossils.
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That's a good point. Definitely a good point.
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Let's see what else we got. Yeah.
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All right. Come on, man.
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California's Latifah Simon made history, is the first legally
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blind Muslim congresswoman. She's already been called a
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rising star by some in the media and was mentioned by Kamala
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Harris. Of course she was.
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We can't have us enough Muslims as well as who are into Syria
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law as well as communist and socialist in our country.
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That'll work out for us just good, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Out with the old and in with the
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new. Prolific pick.
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Who is this? I have no idea.
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Boy, she's got some pretty thick eyebrows.
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Cute smile though. Chicago Mayor Johnson, are you
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prepared to defend this land that was built by slaves?
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A land that was built by indigenous people, right?
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So Ted Cruz asked Rock a question about it.
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And yeah, this guy is basically telling Trump that if he sends
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any soldiers into into his city, he's going to have his police
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and people fight. Now, that's real smart.
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You would think a lot of these states that have a lot of crimes
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and a lot of issues would want to do something about it.
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And since the mayors and these governors, especially of
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California, aren't making any effort whatsoever to stop all
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the criminal behavior, you'd think they'd do something about
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it. Hey, Susan Thomas, if you'd like
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to come in and chat with me, I'd be more than happy to talk with
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you if you're into that kind of thing.
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I'd love to have somebody to bounce off of.
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Let's see what we got. Breaking Trump aims to ban US IT
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outsourcing to India. If you would rather talk to an
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American for customer service. Trump aims to ban the USIT
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outsourcing. I have no idea what's actually
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going on there to be honest with you.
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Court martial U.S. military arrest 2 service members
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promoting Palestine while in uniform, Discharged and jailed
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them for disgracing the uniform. Oh goodness, that's rough.
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Goodness gracious. How do you all feel about that?
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How do you guys feel about American soldiers supporting and
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endorsing the Palestine's? Oof, that's rough.
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All right, breaking. The US federal government has
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lost a stunning 97,000 jobs since President Trump took
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office in January 2025. I don't know if we really care
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about the federal government, do we?
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Do we care? I'm not sure if I should.
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Let's see what we got here. Michael Knowles, Trump and
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Israel, Candace Owens, and why Christianity is booming despite
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the attacks. So according to Stats, ladies
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and gentlemen, Christianity's doing really, really well.
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It's probably from all the persecution and all of the
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chaos. Just recently, a bunch of
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Muslims tried to kill over 40,000 Christians with a heavy
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artillery weapon similar to that of what the Terminator used in
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the movie Terminator 2 Judgement Day.
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The Muslims tried to put together a heavy artillery
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weapon aimed at a crowd of Christians, over 40,000 of them,
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and they were stopped, thankfully, thank God, before
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that happened. Unfortunately, in Nigeria, over
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50,000 Christians were murdered by extremist Islamist Muslims.
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That is horrific. And that's not even.
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That's not even counting the atheist that extremist Muslims
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have killed. For some oddball reason, the
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atheist don't seem interested in talking about this issue though.
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They don't seem to want to report on, you know, their
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numbers getting basically destroyed by Muslims.
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And that's not even, we're not even talking about the the LGBT
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Muslims have been slicing and dicing those poor bastards as
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well. It's pretty sad, Robin, once you
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come in there, sweetie pie, you know, you and I always have good
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discussions. If you don't, I'm just going to
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rattle on and talk about the news.
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I got to do something, Robin says.
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I have a good friend who is a Christian pastor in Nigeria.
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Well, that's good, Robin, that's good.
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I hope that your Christian friend managed to survive.
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Thousands are being killed every single couple weeks.
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So it's it's pretty bad. I think that's one of the
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reasons why a lot of people are going, jeez, why are the
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Christians being done this way? And of course, there are some
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atheists in Bangladesh as well as some other countries who are
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getting hammered on by Muslims. You would think that the
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atheists would join up with the Christians and try to do
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everything they can to make sure that Islamic terrorism doesn't
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get into the UK as well as the United States of America.
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Robin says she's sitting with their woman.
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What? Robin, I didn't know you.
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You swung that way. Goodness gracious.
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I thought you were all about man meat.
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I did not know that. Fair enough.
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You, it's your life. You do what you got to do.
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Let's see what we got here. Let's see what else we have on
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the news. She wore scrubs, she held his
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chart and while he lay in the hospital bed week dying, she
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reached over and took his Rolex $40,000 gone and 1 quiet swipe
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from a man who probably fought in the war, raised the family,
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paid his taxes, and trusted the woman in pink scrubs the care.
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So this girl was recorded on camera stealing jewelry and
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expensive stuff off of dying people.
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And not just dying people, dying soldiers.
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Wow, that's kind of sick. What do you guys think of that?
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Isn't that something? Oh, that's just disgusting.
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Ladies and gentlemen, that's horrible.
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All right, let's continue on while I'm waiting for Youtubers
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to learn how to click a link and come in and actually have a
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discussion. Dan Bongino, I want to provide
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you another update on your FB is Operation Summer Heat, which
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continues to deliver results as we strive to protect the
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communities we serve by uniting, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Dan Bendingo, I don't trust him. He's all talked.
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I remember whenever he used to run a podcast, he always talked
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all kinds of major shit. I mean, that's great that he's
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in the FBI and he's dealing with drug problems and all this, but
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I think that we put him in cash. Patel up so they would arrest
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corrupt politicians. I mean, I think that the FBI can
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handle arresting drug dealers without their ass sitting there
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babbling on Twitter. I'm just saying.
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Justice was delivered by the FBI. 2 suspects arrested in the
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murder of Capitol Hill intern Eric Tarpinian.
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Two teens arrested in the murder of Capitol Hill intern third
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sought DOGDC place. Oh goodness gracious, what is
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this? Wow a teacher at chemical, what
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is that? How do you pronounce that?
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Valley Unified School District confronted and harassed moms at
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a student walk out for opposing boys and girls locker rooms.
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Shameful. Teachers should be protecting
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kids, not attacking parents, huh?
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Of course, make sure you run that damn noise while the
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conversations going on. Well, that was smart.
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Drop a grenade right down in the hallway and all that.
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That won't knock down the foundation and bring every
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soldier with it. Let's see what we got here.
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Grandma starts weeping in court after being convicted in the
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murder of her ex son-in-law. 75 year old Donna Adelson was seen
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being told to control herself as she began crying.
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According to prosecutors, she orchestrated a plot to take out
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her ex son-in-law, Daniel Markell, who was in custody
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battle with her daughter Wendy Adelson.
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The grandma was the 5th person put on trial for the murder for
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hire plot. At trial, prosecutors had
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painted Donna Adelson as the calculated and controlling
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matriarch of a affluent South Florida family with the means
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and motive to orchestrate the killing of the ex son-in-law she
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hated, CNN reported. Wow, that's rough.
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Goodness gracious, man. I remember the day whenever
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Grandma was used to make homemade cookies and they were
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really cool people and all that, and he could go over Christmas
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and now they're just straight up evil.
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That's rough. You know, it's interesting,
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Proverbs guy, Christian YouTube, he had actually suggested in
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video recently that more Christians should participate
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and have conversations. But I noticed a lot of
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Christians whenever they do their live shows, the live shows
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are pretty much prioritizing just fighting and arguing with
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other Christians. Why not come in and actually
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just hang out, have a chill time, You know, talk about cool
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stuff, entertainment, hobbies, things like that.
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Creative stuff. No, we're only going to do live
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shows whenever we want to shovel shit in each other's face.
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How fun. Very exciting stuff.
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Apparently Christians and atheists just can't get enough.
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Damn drama. Isn't that exciting?
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So do we have any non believers out there who would like to ask
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me questions or have a open discussion?
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Is there any Christians out there who actually want to come
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in and talk about how good God's been for him?
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Anybody want to talk about any miracles that they've
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experienced lately or personal positive things that have
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happened in life? Anybody.
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All right, I'm sick of doing the screen share and doing that
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stuff up there. Let's remove that.
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Stop sharing. All right, so we got a lot of
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stuff going on in the world, ladies and gentlemen.
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How about that? So what's everybody's view on
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AI? I've been doing a lot of videos
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lately where I allow AI to be able to have discussions with me
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and such. You guys dig that?
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You guys dig the artificial intelligence conversations?
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I noticed a really cool thing. I can have a discussion, I can
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have a biblical discussion, a Bible study with AI, and it
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won't condemn me, it won't judge me.
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It'll just give me the facts and be able to have a nice kind
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conversation. Isn't that cool?
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Can't really get that on social media.
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Christianity. The moment someone even assumes
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that you might be a Calvinist or give you some kind of label the
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pigeon you hole with, they'll make a video talking about what
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a piece of shit you are. Am I right?
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Jason and Shanny for Christ just can't even bother to ask your
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brothers and sisters in Christ what they believe.
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Just just jump right on the fucking foghorn and make it a
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big dramatic ordeal. Yes, good stuff.
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Can't go wrong there. All right, let's see what else
32:31
we got. OK, we're going to play another
32:36
song because we are live on the radio, ladies and gentlemen.
32:45
Your name into my veins, A vow beneath the midnight rains you
32:55
swore the stars would never fade.
33:00
But soul, my soul in a masquerade, Love's a dagger in
33:08
the dark, twisting deep. Believe.
33:22
It's Mark. Betrayal seems a hollow zoom
33:28
beneath the cold and shattered moon.
33:32
The oldest spurs coiled like a snake, A fragile trust you'd
33:44
soon forsake. I drink your eyes a bitter wine.
33:53
Now shadows claim what once was mine.
33:58
The Love's a dead. The cold and shattered moon.
34:27
The roses bled, The thorns turn black.
34:32
No path forward, no way back. Your laughter goes through my
34:42
zoom. A lover's curse, my sweet
34:48
perfume. So here I lie, Betrayed I die.
34:59
A ghost beneath the dying sun. Love was just your cruelest
35:08
play. And I'm the fool who lost the
35:14
day. Love's a dagger in the dark,
35:44
twisting deep and betrayal, sick beneath the cold and shattered
35:46
moon. I have absolutely no idea what
36:10
that weird noise is that I don't know.
36:13
It sounds electrical. Hopefully we're not about to
36:17
blow up our system over here, ladies and gentlemen, with all
36:19
this rock hard music. Oh, yeah.
36:23
So how's everybody doing? We got any new folks out there
36:27
who are listening who would like to participate in the
36:30
conversation? Well, I guess while we're
36:33
waiting, we'll do another tune. What I'm holding this crown
36:52
Ain't no punk. I'm the spark in the dark mouth
36:55
running foul. But I'm fighting like a shark.
36:57
You looking for trouble? I'm the storm in the street.
37:00
Boots to the payment. Bring their heat to the beat,
37:02
motherfucker. Keep your gaze off my cry.
37:04
And I'm a king in this game. You just wasting my time.
37:07
What the fuck you looking there? You're keeping moving.
37:30
Because the story, every fight's a muscle.
37:33
You play it like you know me, but you don't know shit.
37:35
I'm dodging your shade while I'm stacking my chips.
37:37
God trains too big for your small Lasko.
37:40
Why you hating from the sideline to come in the rope?
37:43
Fuck your dirty look, Summer Phoenix, I saw kick down the
37:46
door. Leave your shook to the core.
37:48
What the fuck you looking at? You'll keep it moving.
37:51
I saw me, but I'm steady grooving.
37:53
Motherfucker, you'll know my pace.
37:55
They're out of my lane. Don't get burned in my flame.
37:58
What the fuck you looking at? Don't test.
38:07
Yeah, I see you stare, but it don't mean nothing.
38:11
Talk that trash. But I keep on stunting.
38:13
My heart's a furnace. My soul's untamed.
38:16
You'll flicker in the dark. I'm a motherfucking flame.
38:19
So turn your head. Better run from this fight.
38:21
I'm a legend in the making. Burning bright in the night.
38:24
What the fuck you looking at? All right, that is what you're
39:29
looking at. By the original gangsters, Yes.
39:34
Good stuff there. All right, so ladies and
39:38
gentlemen, I'm going to give it about 10 more minutes on the
39:41
air, giving people the opportunity to get their
39:43
microphone and come in and participate.
39:45
If you don't, I'm going to shut it down.
39:47
I can easily just make solo videos if that's what I want to
39:50
do. I open these panels so you guys
39:53
had the opportunity to come talk to me.
39:55
Doesn't matter if you're an atheist or religious or what it
39:58
is that you believe. But if you're not going to
40:00
participate, if you don't want to have discussions and no point
40:04
in opening up these live panels. Thankfully the live show
40:08
tomorrow is going to be awesome because TTOR and Proverbs Guy
40:13
Ministries will be there, as well as probably some other
40:16
people participating. But I am bored.
40:20
I am extremely bored. This is for you guys, not for
40:24
me. If I want to do solo videos,
40:27
I've got plenty of topics and subject matters.
40:29
I can deal with it. I'll have to sit here and wait
40:31
for you. It kind of sucks.
40:38
I I seen that missing mod made a live show yesterday.
40:41
All she does is just sit there and cry on the damn microphone.
40:46
I can't get along with the atheist.
40:49
I can't get along with the non believers.
40:51
Well of course if you surround yourself with cockroaches and
40:56
all that, things are going to go to shit.
40:58
It is what it is. So is what it is, isn't it
41:03
Robin? And she won't even do open
41:06
panels anymore, not even for Uncle Bretti.
41:09
That's sad. She won't even allow the people
41:11
that she gets along with up on the chat anymore.
41:15
It's all life sucks and shit. What are you going to do?
41:21
Boy, oh boy. All right, I'm going to give it.
41:25
I'll tell you what, I'm going to play one more track, and if I
41:27
don't have at least one person in here by the time that song's
41:31
over, I'm shutting this shit down.
41:33
I'm not going to sit here and have a conversation with myself.
41:36
I am not that fucking desperate and lonely.
41:38
Ladies and gentlemen, here we go.
41:56
I soared above the ashes, wings torn by the wind.
42:03
A world of shattered dreams where hope has never been.
42:09
The skies are choled with sorrow, the earth the lifeless
42:15
pile. Humanity has faded, consumed by
42:20
its own fire. I sank for you and start.
42:25
I cradled every soul. But now the silence duffens and
42:33
grief has taken hold. The cities crumbled softly.
43:09
The stories turn to dust. The laughter of your children.
43:15
No echoes I can't trust. I'm kneel beside the rivers. 1
43:22
silver now they're dry. Each ripple held the memory,
43:28
each wave. Alas, goodbye, I dropped by the
43:33
footsteps to shield you from the fore.
43:38
The mortal hearts grew heavy and dancing on my car, I'm crying
43:47
tears with love for all that's lost below an angel's heart in
43:55
the world. All more flowers grow.
43:59
My wings are staying, And with anguish my life begins to fade.
44:06
I'm on the end of humankind in this eternal shape.
44:12
Oh, oh, why did you forsake the love that could have saved
44:20
yours? Your greed, your pride.
44:22
You've got this lonely brain. I'll carry.
44:26
I rename, every spot feels to shine, But heaven weeps with me.
44:38
For the souls no longer my I'm crying tears of blood for all
44:45
that's lost below an angel's heart and ruin.
44:51
When normal flowers grow, my wings are staying with anguish.
44:57
My life begins to fade. I'm more than the humankind in
45:04
this eternal shift. When this nights all wonder post
45:09
in them disguise, My tears will fall forever.
45:13
For every soul that dies crying tears of the earth, all
45:20
humanity, nothing. So that song was called Crying
45:36
Tears of Blood, about an Angel watching over the earth as
45:41
humanity goes into oblivion. Very sad, very rough.
45:47
That is what it is. Proverbs guy.
45:50
I'm going to be shutting down this show here soon.
45:53
I've already given people over 45 minutes and none of you
45:57
decided to participate or be a part of the conversation.
46:01
If I don't have at least one person in here with the
46:04
microphone, I see no reason to continue.
46:07
I can do solo videos on my own. I don't need to go live to do it
46:11
now. I'm going to give 5 minutes,
46:14
that is it. And then I'm going to shut it
46:16
down unless someone comes in here with a microphone.
46:27
All right, 5 seconds and that is it.
46:32
No 5 minutes. Sorry about that.
46:37
Let's see what we got here. Let's do something kind of
46:44
daydreamy. That's what we'll do while we're
46:48
waiting. If nobody comes in by the time
46:51
by the time this track finishes, I'm out.
46:55
I'm going to close it. Music.
48:10
All right, looks like we got somebody called Steven Andrews.
48:14
That the real Proverbs guy. Hey man, nobody would want to
48:17
pretend to be me. Nobody would want to pretend to
48:21
be you. Looks like we got another user
48:23
in here, they said. No Brett, don't quit.
48:25
Let's see what we got. Hello.
48:29
What's going on there? East Max, How are you?
48:33
Doing all right. How are you guys doing?
48:35
Chilling. What's your theological position
48:38
and political disposition? I would definitely consider
48:42
myself a Christian. I don't know if I really have
48:46
any hardcore political views. I'm kind of an independent
48:49
voter, if you will. Fair enough.
48:53
Fair enough. So I guess what we can talk
48:57
about, Steven, is what do you think about the news?
48:59
What they've been saying looks like the F scene list is off the
49:02
hoax category that Trump originally called it, and now
49:07
it's becoming a very serious thing.
49:09
A bunch of Republicans and Democrats say that they've
49:12
gathered all the survivors they can find and they're going to
49:15
drop the list themselves vocally.
49:19
Honestly man, I think it's all a bunch of crap.
49:22
I think everyone in government's probably a pedophile and I would
49:26
love for the list to be made available but it won't be
49:29
because we would have no more congressmen or senators on
49:33
possibly presidents in office. So that's bad for the country.
49:37
You think they're all pedophiles and they're all going to burn
49:40
themselves if they drop that list?
49:42
What about you E smacks your thoughts?
49:47
Yeah, no, I think they're going to keep it a secret is as long
49:49
as they can while keeping us entertained.
49:51
It's pretty obvious. Well that is sad.
49:56
That's rough. Boy oh boy, I hope they get the
50:00
some of those women get some amount of justice.
50:02
So oof. I mean, of course, like, I think
50:06
everyone in the country wants that the same as you, Brett.
50:09
But, you know, ask yourself this question.
50:13
Is there ever a time in your life where you can remember
50:17
Republicans and Democrats working together?
50:19
Because this Epstein list is the first I've ever seen it.
50:22
Suddenly they can finally agree on something and that's that.
50:26
There's nothing to see. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty odd.
50:32
And of course, Epstein that none alive himself.
50:35
I get you. So what you been up to today?
50:39
Well I've just been hanging around the house, did some
50:42
chores, got some stuff in order, paid some bills.
50:46
It was a pretty boring day. I was taking into consideration
50:50
that video you made with AI. That really roasted me hard and
50:54
I was trying to evaluate. The only thing I disagreed with
50:58
it on is unless it was referring to maybe like the live streams.
51:03
I thought my thumbnails were pretty decent.
51:07
Well, if you want to, we can ask it later.
51:10
If you'd prefer. I could put it on nice mode.
51:12
I kind of unleashed the AI to see what it would do.
51:16
I to be honest with you, I had no idea what it was going to
51:19
say. I I didn't realize it was going
51:21
to be that hardcore. I call that program unhinged.
51:26
Yeah, that little British girl made me cry in the bathtub, OK?
51:29
Like she hurt my feelings. She told me my dad was ugly.
51:32
Like your AI is a jerk, Brett. I apologize.
51:39
Goodness gracious. Yeah, you got to.
51:42
You got to talk to it and actually say, look, we're trying
51:44
to help these people. The thing still was throwing out
51:48
it so. How do you get it?
51:50
Like did you curate it to be aggressive or is it just one
51:55
that comes that way? Well, the AI has several
51:59
different voices and all that, and it's got a bunch of like set
52:04
things, but you can also create custom things.
52:06
You could actually create apps with it as well.
52:09
And what I said is I wanted it to freely say whatever it's it
52:13
comes up with, don't censor itself whatsoever.
52:17
I think that might have been a mistake because it's been
52:20
really, really mean as hell. That even is starting to talk
52:23
back to me as well. And I'm like, hey, I'm the main
52:27
host here. You're supposed to be nice to
52:28
me. And it says, all right, dip.
52:31
So I'm like, dip, I'll give you your dip right here, buddy.
52:36
One thing I did notice, which I thought was hilarious is that
52:39
the British AI was extremely harsh.
52:42
But that's very British, isn't it?
52:44
And then the American accent AI very friendly.
52:51
Yeah, that is kind of odd. Boy, I I thought it was funny
52:54
whenever it was talking about the panda preacher.
52:57
Oh goodness, it said. Jesus wept mate.
53:02
Dude that one was like cold blooded killer.
53:06
That that one on the panda. I watched that video and it was
53:10
hilarious. I'm glad I'm not Panda because
53:13
my feelings would have been hurt more than when it told me my
53:16
thumbnail sucked. You do me a favor real quick,
53:20
Steven East Max is in the room with you.
53:22
Can you guys start a topic or something?
53:24
I got to go use the ladies room. Yeah, sure.
53:28
Yeah. So what's up man?
53:30
How you doing? Doing pretty good, just got home
53:34
really. Sees you said that you consider
53:39
yourself Christian. Yeah, I would.
53:42
You've been in the church your whole life, or what's your
53:44
story? No.
53:46
So when I was growing up, I wasn't raised anything.
53:49
Family was agnostic if you will, got married, went to church, had
53:54
a child, found the church to be very clique orientated.
54:01
I didn't feel the mold. I was out and kind of been doing
54:04
my thing ever since. That's not to say all churches
54:07
are like that. I know that.
54:08
But you know, I found my personal relationship to be a
54:10
lot stronger on my own than being told what to believe and
54:13
what to think. Well, one cool thing about
54:16
Jesus, and I'm not advocating anybody to not go to church, but
54:21
he does care a whole lot more about your personal relationship
54:24
than your church attendance. So that's an awesome thing about
54:27
our God. Absolutely.
54:28
And you know, my child's mother, she keeps him going to church.
54:32
And I'm OK with that, as long as he understands that as he grows,
54:36
he's allowed to make his own choices.
54:38
I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, not even my child.
54:42
OK. How do you fall on like the
54:44
evolution scale, you evolutionist?
54:48
That's a very high probability. I think anyone who will say
54:51
definitively is arrogant. There's no way to know for sure.
54:56
There's evidence to suggest it, but there's no evidence to prove
54:59
it. Man, that is really really
55:03
honest. I appreciate that answer.
55:05
Oh yeah, man, I'm not. I'm not here to bullshit nobody.
55:09
You don't sound dogmatic. I mean, you're not a church
55:13
going Christian, but you got a relationship.
55:15
You don't have any specific political ideologies.
55:18
Kind of in the middle of the road kind of guy.
55:20
I just have friends all over, you know, all different walks of
55:24
life. So I tend to walk, I guess, in
55:27
the way Jesus would, Not really preaching out of my mouth, but
55:31
leading by examples. You know, that used to be a way,
55:35
the way that America was. You know, you disagreed with the
55:39
other side, but you had them as neighbors and friends and you
55:43
associated. And man, I don't know.
55:45
I don't know what happened, but it seems like around 2006, 2008,
55:50
we just got totally polarized against each other.
55:53
And you can't have that anymore. You can't have that.
55:56
I've always, I've always been in the political sphere, I guess if
56:00
you will. Never really took it seriously,
56:04
just kind of kept up to date with what's going on.
56:06
I've been working my whole life. I'm about 30 years old now.
56:10
So I guess now that I have a little bit more downtime, kind
56:14
of investing a little bit more into it.
56:17
But yeah, anytime I get in conversations, I'm just
56:20
listening for people that are being honest.
56:24
I don't care what side you come from, as long as you're being
56:26
honest with your beliefs and not trying to pull wool over
56:28
somebody's eye. I have a very keen eye for
56:31
spotting that. Awesome, man.
56:34
Hey, if you don't mind me asking, how did you come across
56:36
Brett? Oh yeah, I've been, I don't
56:40
remember exactly the first video.
56:43
I was kind of on to Brett King kind of when he was doing the
56:47
whole Amazing Atheist feud, if you will.
56:50
I don't know. I got to stop saying that,
56:51
actually. But yeah.
56:54
So that's when I got turned on to Brett King.
56:57
Been watching Drunken Peasants, D Fat Fried, all that but I
57:01
don't hold allegiance to nobody. Figured it'd be fun to come hang
57:04
out with you guys for a little bit and see what's up first
57:07
hand. Man, I actually got introduced
57:10
to Brett through Kent Hovind. At the time I was kind of
57:13
enemies with yeah, now we're really good friends.
57:16
But at that time he and I were enemies.
57:19
And Kent called me one day on a three-way call and he's like
57:23
Steven, do me a favor. And mind you, this is when I
57:25
didn't care for him much. He's like, do me a favor, talk
57:29
to this guy and give him your opinion of me.
57:31
I'm like, are you serious, doc? And it was Brett King.
57:34
So I checked out his channel and man, I loved his content.
57:37
He had some of the best live streams.
57:40
Yeah, it's so long ago. I can't remember, but I do
57:42
remember when he called into the show as well.
57:46
I forget what show it was, and he had the debate where he was
57:48
recording. I do remember that.
57:52
Forget what show it was, though. But yeah, I've always been.
57:55
It's fearless, man. Yeah.
57:57
No, I, I appreciate that. I kind of see that in myself as
58:01
well. I don't really care.
58:04
So what is your kind of community on YouTube?
58:06
Do you have like going to creation groups?
58:08
You just hang out on secular channels?
58:10
Like what's your niche? Mostly bodybuilding if I'm being
58:14
completely honest. I like to dip my toes into the
58:18
deeper waters of YouTube. Lesser known channels, lesser
58:22
known people, that's where you get the most raw type content
58:26
that's not overproduced or repeating the same verbiage
58:29
everyone else is repeating in the same styles.
58:32
Matter of fact, I think TJ just made a video on that.
58:34
Actually, I thought I recommend you go check it out.
58:36
No, that's not the audience for you, for you guys here.
58:38
But yeah, I share that same sentiment as well.
58:41
I'm I'm kind of sick and tired of the overproduced, the safety.
58:45
Got to watch what you say everywhere you go and yeah, I
58:48
just. The thing that the thing that
58:52
stinks, man, is that YouTube is so overly censored.
58:57
You can't really speak your mind.
58:59
But all the main competitors, like I think Rumble would
59:01
probably be the biggest competitor.
59:03
They just don't have the base, you know, you just can't get a
59:07
following over there. Yeah.
59:10
I think if you have a following and you get them to commit to
59:13
the switch, you might have an audience there, but you're not
59:17
going to organically grow there. I will say Kick is doing pretty
59:20
well, but they just had a couple major incidents happen over
59:23
there. So, you know, I think people are
59:26
hesitant to embrace a new platform without some sort of
59:31
safety net. Yeah.
59:34
And that that does draw the question like where do you put
59:37
the line? Because you don't want people
59:39
just coming on and using certain words like dropping the N word.
59:43
But at the same time, you got to protect freedom of speech.
59:47
Right. So I don't know, man.
59:50
It's kind of hard to say where I would put that line.
59:52
There's, there's a big difference between freedom of
59:54
speech and hate speech. Not that I necessarily agree
59:57
with that. I, I don't use hate speech for
59:59
the record, but I think if you're going to have a society
1:00:04
that embraces free speech, anything's open to be said, but
1:00:11
you, you kind of do have to watch out for, you know,
1:00:15
endorsements, brand deals, things like that.
1:00:18
They demand a certain level of safety.
1:00:20
So. I understand it, but I don't
1:00:22
agree with it. Yeah, You know, the only thing
1:00:27
about Kik is when I went over to Kik to check it out, it looked
1:00:31
like it was mostly gaming and then it had some just real
1:00:35
extreme off the wall kind of content that I wouldn't follow.
1:00:39
Yeah, like I've been big into this Roger Jackson story that
1:00:43
happened on Kik and then the French streamer who just died
1:00:46
over there. I think Brett talked about that
1:00:47
in one of his videos recently as well.
1:00:50
It's just not been a very good time for Kick over there.
1:00:52
They had a lot of things happen and not really sure what the
1:00:56
future holds for them and how they choose to maneuver that,
1:01:00
but they got to do some sort of cracking down.
1:01:02
You can't just have people getting murdered on your your
1:01:05
site and not do anything about it.
1:01:07
That's a bad look for everyone. Oh, I mean, absolutely right.
1:01:11
All right. What's up, Brett?
1:01:13
Oh, I'm back. I returned.
1:01:14
I could still hear the conversation, all that.
1:01:17
You guys can talk about whatever you want.
1:01:19
I don't care if you bring up channels that I may have had
1:01:23
disagreements with in the past. Only time I get annoyed is that
1:01:26
people come and do the racial slurs you were talking about.
1:01:29
Andrew, I don't care if people have questions or or even if
1:01:33
they want to endorse YouTube channels that I may not agree
1:01:37
with. It's cool, it's fine.
1:01:40
He did make a few good points in his video about how overly
1:01:43
sensitized and how everyone's copy and pasting their style, so
1:01:46
I figured it relevant to the conversation.
1:01:49
Well, I think that you're absolutely right about a lot of
1:01:51
these different podcasts out here.
1:01:53
They seem to all be doing the same formula and it irritates me
1:01:57
too because it's on both sides. It's on atheists and religious.
1:02:01
It seems like the priority is going doing drama and and
1:02:04
targeting other Youtubers as opposed to talking about what's
1:02:08
going on in society and culture in the world and things that
1:02:11
actually mean something. What I don't like about it the
1:02:16
the modern spin on YouTube is that the content creators used
1:02:20
to create the algorithm, but now with all these AI programs, they
1:02:26
teach you what the algorithm wants.
1:02:28
Everybody's chasing the algorithm now instead of
1:02:30
creating the algorithm. I hate that.
1:02:33
Well, there's another horrible thing too that I discovered
1:02:36
yesterday. I've discovered it a few times,
1:02:39
but yesterday was a really annoying deal.
1:02:41
You know how whenever I'm have doing videos where I'm having a
1:02:44
conversation with AI? Well, YouTube is now allowing
1:02:49
their Gemini AI and VO to create AI pretending as though it's
1:02:54
actually a human being reporting false news and fake crap and
1:02:59
misinformation in order to get views and clicks.
1:03:02
So Google could at some point in time get rid of us Andrew, and
1:03:07
just have their AI get up there and do it.
1:03:08
I'll give you an example. AI generated over 50 videos
1:03:13
about that Atlas meteorite that's coming towards our our
1:03:17
solar system, claiming that it's a alien, claiming that it's
1:03:22
going to hit the earth and blow shit up and everything else.
1:03:25
It's absolutely horrific to scare people and get views.
1:03:29
But I looked into it and all that, looked on the NASA website
1:03:32
and they say this is not an alien, it's just a stupid rock.
1:03:35
It's 100 million miles away from us.
1:03:38
That is and no kind of way a danger to us.
1:03:41
You seen my debunking video that I did recently?
1:03:44
I did. I watched it yesterday actually.
1:03:47
It was pretty good. In that interesting terms of
1:03:50
service states don't put up misinformation or false news and
1:03:54
all that, yet Google itself is creating false AI in order to
1:03:59
produce stories that are manufactured in nonsense.
1:04:04
Well, let me ask. Go ahead.
1:04:06
I was just going to say they're going to lose half their content
1:04:08
because half their content is wild conspiracy theories anyway.
1:04:13
Well, they don't care. They're going to get paid
1:04:16
through it. They put advertisements
1:04:18
obviously on their own accounts that they create generating with
1:04:21
AI. So Google's never really cared.
1:04:25
I mean, if they really care. Andrew, I don't know if you were
1:04:27
here 15 years ago, but did you know they used to have this
1:04:31
really cool thing on YouTube where if you liked one of my
1:04:34
videos or you thought it was interesting, you thought you
1:04:36
wanted to talk about it, you could actually go underneath my
1:04:40
video. There was a button called Post
1:04:42
your video response. You could post your videos
1:04:44
directly to me. That's why people were so social
1:04:47
and there was so much communication back then.
1:04:50
But then they remember that they removed it.
1:04:54
You know, my question is, I see in the near future a mass exodus
1:04:59
of YouTube, but the biggest alternative right now is Rumble
1:05:03
and Rumble kind of sucks to be honest.
1:05:05
So where did they go? Have you guys tried bit shoot?
1:05:10
Bit Shoot stinks. It's a, it's a dying channel.
1:05:13
It was a, it's like Rumble where they're constantly asking for
1:05:16
donations for storage space and all that.
1:05:19
I really had my hopes up for TTRS video site because I knew
1:05:24
knew him personally and knew that he would run things fairly.
1:05:27
But Rumble and Bit Shoot and a lot of these other video sites,
1:05:30
they did the same thing where they gave anxiety.
1:05:33
Everybody's going to get censored on YouTube.
1:05:35
You should come to us and if you donate we'll even give you high
1:05:38
definition. Like what?
1:05:40
I already have a website myself with high definition.
1:05:44
I didn't require $1.00 from anybody to give that feature.
1:05:48
Liars. So I mean what's what's the next
1:05:52
best platform because after TTO Rs own platform.
1:05:57
I did try the FTJ media but that kind of seemed to be dead on
1:06:01
arrival also. So there's just no good
1:06:04
alternative to YouTube. That's the only reason they're
1:06:06
not on life support. Well there is no competitors and
1:06:11
even if there was, Google makes so much money off of Youtubers
1:06:15
and people out there and their AI that they could just simply
1:06:19
buy up the company or just remove them from the search
1:06:23
engines. Remember, Google's not just
1:06:24
YouTube, they're a conglomerate search engine that can meta
1:06:29
other competitions out. So boom, it's gone.
1:06:34
Well, they already kind of do that, right?
1:06:35
Because I made that really good video about the conspiracy plot
1:06:39
against Ron Wyatt and it's like the only video specifically
1:06:43
titled like that. So I went into Incognito mode
1:06:46
and I looked it up and I still had to scroll forever to find my
1:06:50
video. And it's the only one titled Ron
1:06:53
Wyatt Conspiracy. I also believe that there's
1:06:57
another thing too, Andrew. If you start picking up more
1:07:00
views and start getting to a certain subscriber count, I see
1:07:04
that YouTube is now also generating accounts that
1:07:07
impersonate other Youtubers and then take their content and then
1:07:12
make money off of it that way. I can't tell you how many
1:07:14
accounts I've seen made of Brett Keene out there.
1:07:17
People are like, I thought I was subscribed to your channel with.
1:07:22
No, I believe that because I searched for Brett Keene 2 days
1:07:26
ago just to see how many different channels you had up
1:07:29
and there was like 10. Well some of them are trolls and
1:07:34
haters who are wanting to I guess get my classics or
1:07:37
something, but I I believe that some of them are actually AI
1:07:41
generated. I've seen a couple videos where
1:07:43
it looks like me up on the screen but it's saying something
1:07:47
totally different than what I actually said.
1:07:49
Luckily I have videos archived on my radio that shows what they
1:07:53
actually said so that's crazy. I just hope that YouTube doesn't
1:07:57
get really abusive and have me like attacking people and saying
1:08:00
really horrible shit. I mean, I would be shocked if
1:08:06
the drunken peasants have not already done that, Brett, If
1:08:09
there's not already a Brett Keene channel out there that's
1:08:11
just AI generated hate speech. Wouldn't shock me.
1:08:16
Well, they actually play some clips in their show, like 1
1:08:20
where it sounds like I'm jacking off to a dolphin or something.
1:08:23
So I I've already seen those type of clips.
1:08:26
I don't really care about that kind of junk.
1:08:28
I I do not care for the animated cartoons where they make it
1:08:32
appear as though I'm abusing people, though that's not very
1:08:35
nice. Yeah, well, I heard you were
1:08:39
talking to lawyers and talking to AI lawyers.
1:08:41
Like, are you going to be able to actually do anything about
1:08:44
it? Well, I wanted to talk to the AI
1:08:47
lawyer that has all legal information in order to be able
1:08:50
to find out what some of the options are what what can be
1:08:54
done because the Internet, unfortunately, they still
1:08:56
haven't gotten really good about dealing with that.
1:08:59
YouTube currently, according to the AI, is being sued for over
1:09:03
$40 million for child safety issues.
1:09:07
Apparently there's a lot of pedophile rings on YouTube as
1:09:10
you probably doesn't surprise you at all and YouTube is being
1:09:14
hit with that that. I think that they also did a
1:09:17
settlement recently for like like $50,000,000 to some other
1:09:22
users for something. It's not really.
1:09:24
It's not really about the money issue with me and I don't really
1:09:27
care if people make nasty content about me providing they
1:09:32
don't bring my family or my loved ones and then I could give
1:09:34
a shit less. To me, publicity is publicity.
1:09:39
Yeah, hey Brett, I got to step away for like 1 minute to let my
1:09:43
dog out. So do you want to talk with the
1:09:45
other fella for a minute? Sure, sure.
1:09:48
Hey, Mike, how you doing? Mr. Yettner, I hope you're doing
1:09:51
well today. If you'd like to come in and
1:09:53
chat with me, I'd love to talk to you.
1:09:56
Did a video recently congratulating Brother Maverick.
1:09:59
He's about to hit the 100,000 subscriber mark and he's earned
1:10:03
every bit of it. Goodness gracious.
1:10:06
So East Max, do you have any questions for me?
1:10:08
Is there anything that you'd like to discuss or topics?
1:10:11
I I tried to do an open panel where everybody gets to
1:10:14
participate. I really thought that red video
1:10:18
you made was hilarious with AI like I I cracked up.
1:10:23
Well, there's two, there's two of them as of recent.
1:10:26
Did you enjoy them both or was there one in in particular?
1:10:29
I think it's the most the most recent one with the AI going
1:10:32
really hard on them. That was hilarious.
1:10:36
I had no idea the AI was going to get that rough, but I
1:10:39
actually was tickled as well by how I responded.
1:10:42
So yeah, you probably realize what happened was is he and
1:10:47
Smokey St. were in a live show with me and Smokey was being
1:10:51
nothing but respectful, nice to him.
1:10:53
So Jason's been making all these videos where he attacked Smokey
1:10:57
and I'm like, why are you doing that for?
1:10:59
Well, he's a Calvinist. I said no, he's not.
1:11:01
He's a Mullinist and he believes in pretty well and then he
1:11:05
accused him of some other ignorant ass stuff and it's like
1:11:07
Jason, why are you doing that? He, Jason should be the last one
1:11:11
doing that. With all the accusations thrown
1:11:14
at him and video clips people have of him being a a dumb dumb
1:11:18
and everything. Why would he judge someone
1:11:20
else's past or false accusations?
1:11:23
I don't get it. It's kind of stupid if you ask
1:11:25
me. Absolutely.
1:11:28
I mean, we're witnessing his mental decline in real time.
1:11:34
That's one of the reasons why I have for many years felt sorry
1:11:38
and I try to get people not to be mean to him.
1:11:41
I do feel him and Shanny, besides mental illness and
1:11:44
physical health issues, I believe the drugs are affecting
1:11:48
them in a negative way. It's cost them a great deal of
1:11:51
financial instability as well as loss of their children and I
1:11:56
wish they would listen to me and take my advice but they won't.
1:11:59
I I just don't see it in me to make fun of people who are sick.
1:12:03
No, I'm not well, sorry. I was just going to say yeah,
1:12:06
I'm not trying to make fun of them either.
1:12:07
It's kind of sad to see. I've heard you mention that
1:12:11
Channel in a couple of your videos, the Shanny and but it
1:12:15
sounds like you were saying that they're a Christian channel, but
1:12:17
they endorse drug use. What?
1:12:19
What's up with that? Well, it's kind of weird,
1:12:21
Andrew. Back in the day, whenever I was
1:12:24
doing the atheist bit, Shani used to watch me obsessively,
1:12:28
and she ended up becoming an atheist.
1:12:30
Around the time that I became a Christian, Shani asked me, She
1:12:34
goes, why did you change your views?
1:12:36
And I gave her a little bit of my testimony and explained to
1:12:39
her why believing in God is the most rational, logical reason.
1:12:43
Shortly after, Shani becomes a Christian.
1:12:46
Now Jason's different. That's her boyfriend, the guy
1:12:49
that she's hooked up with now, she was originally married to
1:12:52
some other guy back in the day whenever I was involved with
1:12:55
talking with her, and he was pretty cool, but she kind of was
1:12:59
mean as hell to the poor bastard.
1:13:01
So Jason, he hooks up with her. He lost his mother.
1:13:04
Real sad story about him, but he received an inheritance and they
1:13:09
lived the life they spent money like it was going out of like
1:13:12
they were going out of business or something.
1:13:15
And I kept telling them I said, look, you need to save your
1:13:17
money. You need to put money back in
1:13:19
accounts and all that. You need to not, you know, go
1:13:22
crazy with all this cash and everything, but they basically
1:13:26
blew it all on drugs and alcohol and all that.
1:13:29
So here's what happens, Andrew. Sometimes they make videos where
1:13:33
they're talking about how wonderful Jesus is.
1:13:35
And other days they're getting high and, and recording
1:13:38
themselves sobbing and crying about how shitty life is.
1:13:41
And it's it's pretty damn pathetic.
1:13:44
It's horrible. And I've tried to convince them
1:13:46
to not make videos when they're high and drunk, but they don't
1:13:49
listen to me. They tell me they love me.
1:13:51
They call me Uncle Braddy, sometimes even call me Daddy,
1:13:55
but they don't take like any of my damn suggestions and I feel
1:13:57
like I'm up against the fucking wall.
1:13:59
Sorry about my language. So these are like personal
1:14:03
friends of yours. Not in real life, just some
1:14:07
people that I, you know how I am, Andrew.
1:14:10
I adopt people on the Internet. I see somebody down on their
1:14:13
luck or unfortunate or having some issues.
1:14:15
I tried to try to help them and sometimes every once in a while
1:14:19
they'll come in my rooms and we'll have a real good time,
1:14:22
we'll get along. But then it takes less than
1:14:25
three days later they're finding something to bitch and moan
1:14:28
about. It's it's just horrible.
1:14:30
They got to get off the crack, basically.
1:14:34
Ouch all. Right.
1:14:35
I don't. I don't think Shanny's on crack.
1:14:37
She'd be Alaskan here. Yeah, that is true.
1:14:40
Crack does cause a lot of weight loss and all that.
1:14:43
You do have a point on it. It's like weed and that kind of
1:14:47
stuff. Nothing like that major stuff.
1:14:49
They're not shooting heroin or something, Andrew.
1:14:56
Yeah, I I don't think weed is a is a good combination for them
1:14:59
either. Yeah, if you get depression
1:15:02
issues, I mean, I've heard all these different faltering
1:15:06
reports that we could help with people with depression.
1:15:09
Then you get other articles that say that it could really crash a
1:15:12
person into the ground. So I don't know.
1:15:15
I don't know what to think. It's a person by person basis
1:15:18
and I think that if you have psychological issues it can
1:15:21
heighten them or it can help, but for them it doesn't seem to
1:15:25
be doing much good. No, I'm sad and depressed.
1:15:29
What's up Andrew, what you got for me?
1:15:31
I mean, I was just going to say, back when I used marijuana it
1:15:35
I'd like to tell myself that it helped with my anxiety.
1:15:38
But in all honesty, when I got off of it, I realized that my
1:15:42
anxiety got a lot better. So I think it actually inflamed
1:15:46
my anxiety and I was using it as medicine for that.
1:15:49
So yeah, you guys are right. You got to be careful.
1:15:54
Yeah, a while back. As you know, Andrew, I have
1:15:58
issues with my eyes and all that.
1:16:00
Have a real hard time seeing some things and stuff.
1:16:03
I luckily there's apps out there that give me the ability to zoom
1:16:06
up on things so I can read stuff nowadays.
1:16:09
But I had had a Doctor Who actually said that if I were to
1:16:13
do some prescribed weed that that would help.
1:16:15
And I was like, I really don't want to do drugs.
1:16:17
I I stayed away from drugs all my life and I don't really want
1:16:21
to have major things like that. A while back whenever I had
1:16:25
surgery done on me a couple times they wanted to give me
1:16:27
oxycodone. I don't know if you're aware of
1:16:30
what that shit they'll do to you.
1:16:33
Oh yeah, I'm, I'm fully aware. You know, I struggled with a bad
1:16:37
pain pill addiction back in my early 20s and I was heavily
1:16:40
addicted. So yeah, that's a beast for
1:16:42
sure. Well, I didn't end up getting
1:16:45
addicted, but what did happen is I, I asked the doctor, I said,
1:16:49
is it going to do anything to me?
1:16:50
And it'll, it said, he said, well, to relax you had to chill
1:16:54
you out and to numb some of the pain and all that.
1:16:57
I'm like, oh, that's all. You know, I, I, it sounds like a
1:16:59
damn Tylenol to me. So I took it and made the stupid
1:17:03
mistake of getting on video a couple times while I was on the
1:17:06
shit and I didn't comb my fucking hair.
1:17:08
I had my shirt off and my tits are swinging in the wind.
1:17:12
And of course, those are the the images that atheists most
1:17:15
lovable and use as my fucking means while I was, you know,
1:17:18
dragged down on that stuff so soon as I realized what was
1:17:22
happening. And my wife says, hey, you may
1:17:25
want to stop doing that because you're getting kind of weird on
1:17:27
video. I'm doing it and I went back to
1:17:32
being pretty again and acting like a normal human being, but
1:17:35
man, it zombified me. Holy shit.
1:17:39
You know there's only one reason why drunken peasants would want
1:17:43
to show you with your shirt off, and that is that they are
1:17:47
belated homosexuals. Only explanation for that.
1:17:51
I don't know if you know this or how long East Max has actually
1:17:54
watched their their shows and all that.
1:17:56
He sounds like he gets in there every once in a while.
1:17:59
See what the latest nonsense is. But there there was some of
1:18:03
their first couple episodes, TJ actually would tell stories
1:18:07
about how he had dreams of having sex with me and all this.
1:18:11
I'm like, what? And then suddenly it started
1:18:13
going on to the manatee thing. Did I ever tell you where the
1:18:16
manatee meme came from? People love this story.
1:18:19
I have never heard this origin tale now.
1:18:22
So I are you familiar with a young lady by the name of Holly?
1:18:28
No. OK, so the amazing Atheist, CJ
1:18:32
Kirk, he was originally, he actually got married to a girl a
1:18:36
long time ago called Holly. All right, beautiful woman.
1:18:40
Unfortunately, she was a little bit meaty, if you know what I
1:18:42
mean, A little bit, you know, I don't make fun of people.
1:18:46
I thought she was a beautiful young lady and I thought he was
1:18:48
lucky to have her. But what happened was he would
1:18:51
do videos where her she would be sitting next to him and talking
1:18:55
and people started saying oh look it looks like 2 sea cows
1:18:59
and I'm like what the fuck is a sea cow?
1:19:01
So I went and I looked that up and everything and then they
1:19:03
started referring to her as manatee and they start calling
1:19:06
TJ Kirk that. So I guess I adopted the name.
1:19:10
After being on DP for a little while they took the name off of
1:19:13
her and dropped it on me and I said what the hell you calling
1:19:15
me a manatee for? You remember how I responded,
1:19:18
though? It was hilarious.
1:19:20
Which time? Because you've done a few
1:19:22
response videos to them. So what I did was I asked them
1:19:26
while I was on one of their episodes and all that.
1:19:29
And I don't know if they muted me when I said this, but it was
1:19:31
really funny. I said, so you guys believe in
1:19:34
evolution, right? And they go, yeah.
1:19:36
And I said, well, if you believe in evolution, then you share a
1:19:39
common ancestor with manatees. And since I'm the king of
1:19:42
manatees, you're my little mini bitches.
1:19:45
So a lot of people thought that's hilarious.
1:19:47
And then shortly after I started selling T-shirts to the manatee,
1:19:50
I made some good money on those manatee T-shirts.
1:19:55
Yeah, didn't TTOR buy one of the Mana T-shirts?
1:19:58
Or did he just buy the Magic Monkey one?
1:20:00
He's got, I think he's got a mana T-shirt and that here, let
1:20:03
me show you what this looks like because I actually got some
1:20:06
girls to put this on. Maybe you'll recognize a few of
1:20:10
them. There you go, let me get rid of
1:20:14
my. How many?
1:20:16
I thought that was in the overlay.
1:20:17
Why is my screen still? Nice.
1:20:28
I do recognize two of them. Yes, absolutely.
1:20:32
There you go. There you go.
1:20:33
And then you got TTOR. Well, I think that you should
1:20:36
recognize three of them. Actually.
1:20:38
The one on the left is missing mod.
1:20:41
The second one I think that you used to go to camp with her or
1:20:45
something. And then there's TTOR all the
1:20:48
way to the far right. Yep.
1:20:50
Yeah, So those 3, but I was talking about the two females I
1:20:53
recognized. I didn't know.
1:20:54
I don't know who the other person was.
1:20:57
I have tried repeatedly to get missing Mod to be a part of my
1:21:01
show and participate because she was hanging out with those
1:21:04
atheists all the time and now they're basically stomping a mud
1:21:07
hole in their ass and walking her dry.
1:21:09
And I told her I said why don't you come hang out with people
1:21:12
who enjoy your company, not just trying to bang you or make you
1:21:16
look like an asshole all the time and she won't listen.
1:21:18
What is wrong with her Andrew? Why doesn't she listen?
1:21:22
I can't. I'm the least qualified person
1:21:24
to tell you, Brett, because Maude and I have a love hate
1:21:28
relationship and I don't think she can go a month without
1:21:32
hating my guts. And I love her, but she asks me
1:21:36
questions about sin and I give her my honest opinion and then
1:21:40
she thinks I'm a workspace Salvationist.
1:21:42
So, you know, I love her, but I I can't do anything with that
1:21:46
either, man. Why?
1:21:49
Why would she get bothered by these kind of topics for and why
1:21:53
do people ask fucking questions? And if you don't want to hear
1:21:56
the answer, I don't get it. I think the biggest problem is
1:22:00
the church culture teaches that once you say the little repeat
1:22:04
after me prayer, you can send like a demon and still go to
1:22:07
heaven. And I just think that's sloppy
1:22:09
agape nonsense. I don't think that's the gospel
1:22:12
at all. So I share that opinion.
1:22:14
But when you go to a church and you hear the polar opposite and
1:22:18
you hear that you can send like the devil when you're just fine,
1:22:21
you know? I mean, what do you do?
1:22:24
I hear you there. Is that the real Smokey Sink?
1:22:27
No N word. N word repeatedly, over and over
1:22:30
again for reasons. So I don't know, Smokey, have
1:22:38
you ever met Andrew before? He's a good guy.
1:22:41
He's Proverbs Guy Ministries over at his channel.
1:22:44
You guys ever had a good discussion?
1:22:46
I don't. Not that I recall.
1:22:48
I don't recall any conversation. I was on a stream briefly the
1:22:53
other night, the one praise came on but no, we never had a in
1:22:57
depth talk before. No, I'd love to hear you guys
1:23:00
have an interesting discussion because you guys got a lot of
1:23:03
really, really interesting thoughts, especially
1:23:06
theologically. However, I need to ask Smokey
1:23:09
questions. Smokey, how did you feel about
1:23:11
what my AI described as Jason? You know, the one thing I
1:23:18
appreciated about the AI is it's clear lack of the tendency of
1:23:23
humanity because even while it's in the process of ripping Jason
1:23:28
a new one, I can't help but be optimistic and give him advice
1:23:33
as how to turn things around. I thought that was actually the
1:23:36
more interesting part of any of it is the fact that AI didn't
1:23:39
just, you know, RIP them up and leave them there, but it
1:23:42
actually came up with like, like it actually like looked, looked
1:23:45
at what you said and gave ideas for how to improve and like have
1:23:49
better content and stuff like that.
1:23:51
I actually thought it was kind of interesting.
1:23:54
Well, you got to, when you're dealing with the AI, you got to
1:23:57
kind of help it along. Like for instance, say, look,
1:24:01
this person, I don't completely hate them.
1:24:04
I'm trying to help them out and support them.
1:24:06
If you don't, it will just I called the personality that I
1:24:10
put together unhinged. That's what I call that an AI.
1:24:15
Unhinged AI? Yeah, sure.
1:24:16
Yeah. You should have named it made
1:24:18
Proverbs guy cry like a little girl.
1:24:24
You know that. One's so mean, like your bland
1:24:29
doll content. No one cares about you sitting
1:24:32
there talking in the camera. I was.
1:24:34
Like. Oh my God, it's brutal.
1:24:36
Man, I was taking a bath and that was overflowing that tub
1:24:40
with my own tears. Brent, that thing was savage.
1:24:46
Brett, you should you should ask it about Smokey St. and see see
1:24:49
what it says there. I bet I'd be pretty wicked.
1:24:54
Well so far anytime it mentions you, it actually refers to you
1:24:58
as a St. and says some pretty positive things about you.
1:25:02
But I'll have if you want me to, I'll have it analyze your
1:25:04
YouTube. Give it a shot.
1:25:06
Why not? Sure.
1:25:10
All right. Actually, Kevin, Kevin's
1:25:12
biblical discussions, you know, we had that O SAS debate where
1:25:17
he got just royally spanked again and, and he went into
1:25:21
ChatGPT, supposedly went into ChatGPT and uploaded the
1:25:26
transcript and asked who won. The odd thing was, is it didn't
1:25:30
look like the way ChatGPT communicates at all and the way
1:25:34
that it was making the points, it was actually ignoring and not
1:25:37
catching the points I actually made.
1:25:38
I think Kevin actually just wrote it himself and said
1:25:41
ChatGPT that because it was using slang words and stuff that
1:25:44
I've never seen ChatGPT use before, like like cooked or
1:25:48
spanked or something like that. I'm like, that's weird for
1:25:51
ChatGPT to say things like that. You know what I mean?
1:25:53
Like I think, I think the scumbag just wrote that up as as
1:25:56
like major like damage cope because it was it was brutal.
1:26:00
It was terrible for him. Well, unfortunately with chat
1:26:04
TTT, it'll always support the person that's talking to it.
1:26:08
I use a completely different AI where I will actually instruct
1:26:12
it to be argumentative with me, where if I say something that's
1:26:16
wrong, I wanted to correct me and disagree.
1:26:18
That way it seems more human. Well, yeah.
1:26:21
But some of these guys like, did they just train it to kind of
1:26:24
adopt their worldview? And then it's it's kind of just
1:26:27
a source of self validation rather than is an actual tool
1:26:31
for critical thinking. And there's, you know, another
1:26:33
person that kind of hangs out around this group.
1:26:35
I'm not going to say names, but he kind of did that with the
1:26:38
young earth thing. And that was embarrassing and
1:26:40
dumb. And I've seen praise and Kevin
1:26:42
and a couple others kind of do this where they stay outsource
1:26:45
their thinking to AII think that's really embarrassing.
1:26:48
I think when you're doing something like that, like if you
1:26:50
have to go to AI to tell you who wanted debate, you've no point
1:26:54
listening to debates. Like really like, it's just the
1:26:57
entire process is wasted on you. Well what do you think about
1:27:02
this Andrew? They basically had a
1:27:04
conversation over once saved, always saved.
1:27:07
Is it possible for someone to be a total bastard after becoming a
1:27:13
Christian or claiming to be a self-proclaimed Christian go out
1:27:16
and take a chainsaw to a bunch of kidney gardeners?
1:27:19
What is What is religion say about this?
1:27:22
I think the way we break down once saved, always saved calls
1:27:26
us some confusion. For instance, anyone can become
1:27:29
a Christian and go on living however you want.
1:27:32
It's whether or not you're born again.
1:27:34
I think there are a lot of Christians that were never
1:27:37
really born again. So I'd like to say once you're
1:27:39
really saved, you're always saved.
1:27:42
And Paul gives us good details on biblical fruit, and if you
1:27:46
don't observe any of that fruit in someone but they're still
1:27:48
claiming to be a Christian, I would call BS.
1:27:53
Are you familiar with the Molanist?
1:27:55
I believe is how it's pronounced, right Smokey?
1:27:58
Well, yeah, that's correct. Not, no, not really.
1:28:02
What is that? It's kind of an alternate, it's
1:28:06
an alternate soteriological and meta philosophical positions
1:28:10
kind of that rivals Armenianism and Calvinism, but leans a
1:28:14
little more towards Armenianism. But it actually respects the
1:28:19
possession of three types of knowledge and God free
1:28:22
knowledge, necessary knowledge and middle knowledge.
1:28:26
So make sure that to make sure that East Max is able to
1:28:29
participate in the conversation as well.
1:28:32
East Max, you said you believed in a higher power.
1:28:34
What is your thoughts on predestination versus free will?
1:28:38
Nah, there's no predestination. People, you do believe that you
1:28:43
actually have choice, that you're not just random
1:28:46
chemicals, a product of your environment.
1:28:49
No, I will say that definitively, we go where we
1:28:52
should based on the contents of our heart and our spirit.
1:28:57
If you are truly evil and you carry around an evil spirit, you
1:28:59
go where you need to go and. Sounds like a plan.
1:29:03
Sounds like a plan. What about you, Andrew?
1:29:05
What's your thoughts and what smoke you put forth?
1:29:09
Yeah, good points. I did have two questions for
1:29:12
Smokey, if you don't mind. Yeah, I don't care.
1:29:15
Yeah, I got a few minutes to go for it.
1:29:16
I'm going to go pour me some more coffee.
1:29:18
You 2 beautiful gentlemen go at it and East Max be more than
1:29:24
happy to jump in whenever you got something, all right guy.
1:29:29
So my 2 questions, 1 is where do you fall on the one saved,
1:29:32
always saved? And the other question is, I've
1:29:35
kind of heard mixed reviews. Like I've heard people say
1:29:38
you're Calvinist, but then I've heard Brett that you're not.
1:29:42
Where do you follow on election? Yeah, it really sucks.
1:29:45
At one point in time I was kind of bruising around with Godless
1:29:48
Girl. I don't know if you remember
1:29:49
her. She's a friend.
1:29:50
Like I haven't talked to her in a hot minute, but like we were
1:29:53
always friendly with each other and stuff.
1:29:55
And she wrote a post on her Darth Dawkins, you know, kind of
1:29:59
archive website that said I was a Calvinist.
1:30:02
And I tried to tell her like, I'm not a Calvinist.
1:30:04
Like actually I'm really like definitely usually like kind of
1:30:07
anti Calvinist depending on the brand of Calvinism that it is,
1:30:10
but I'm definitely not I'm a Calvinist.
1:30:13
I'm a Molinist and she never corrected it.
1:30:15
So now when people kind of search me or do meta searches or
1:30:18
like online searches, that's usually one of the things like
1:30:21
the searches will pull off of about me is that I'm a
1:30:24
Calvinist. Though sometimes people just run
1:30:26
with it and then it gets in the rumorville and people say I'm a
1:30:28
Calvinist and I have to just start correcting people 1 by 1.
1:30:31
It's a real mess. But I'm not, I'm not a Calvinist
1:30:34
and I don't hold to the doctrine of election.
1:30:37
I don't hold to the idea that regeneration precedes faith.
1:30:41
I don't hold to the the idea that there are some people
1:30:43
created with the inability to believe specifically or
1:30:47
dynamically, maybe consequentially, possibly, but
1:30:50
not intentionally. So that's kind of that's kind of
1:30:53
my take. OK interesting.
1:30:56
I look at election more like God watching over a chess game and
1:31:01
obviously he can already see into the future.
1:31:04
So he knows whether I'm going to win or you smoke, you're going
1:31:07
to win. So he can declare the winner
1:31:09
before the game even starts. But that doesn't mean he made me
1:31:12
lose or made you win. That's.
1:31:14
The way, yeah, no. And I'm, yeah, actually that's
1:31:16
pretty much exactly aligned with my mulleness perspective.
1:31:19
So yeah, we're we're you're probably Armenian.
1:31:22
If I had to guess, it kind of sounds like you're Armenian.
1:31:25
OK, Yeah. So we we actually would
1:31:28
soteriologically align pretty darn closely.
1:31:31
We might disagree maybe a little bit with the idea of necessary
1:31:35
realities or possible realities or middle knowledge.
1:31:38
Maybe we might have a few minor disagreements in that.
1:31:41
But I think overall we pretty much aligned.
1:31:44
OK. And with the once saved always
1:31:46
saved you are you once saved, always saved?
1:31:48
Absolutely not. I think it's a damnable demonic
1:31:51
heresy straight from the pit of hell and should be exposed for
1:31:53
the horrific horseshit that it actually is.
1:31:57
OK, good to. Know All right, Why do you hate
1:32:00
it so much? Like what about the doctrine
1:32:02
that really gets you going? Well, the tradition, the
1:32:05
tradition is part of it. The fact that it comes from
1:32:08
basically the hand downs of pure monarchism, stretching all the
1:32:12
way back to Augustine, stretching through Wycliffe,
1:32:14
Tyndale, all the way to Calvin and the Martin Luther.
1:32:17
And, and it actually kind of flavored the way that
1:32:21
Protestantism would actually view the method of salvation,
1:32:24
which I, in my opinion, took a massive skew from what it was in
1:32:28
church tradition to where the idea was overall in supremacy.
1:32:32
The idea was you can't do anything to be saved.
1:32:35
God has to do it all, you know, And this removed or combated the
1:32:39
idea of synergism, which was kind of the mainstream standard
1:32:42
of the church where pretty much its entirety time and and
1:32:44
antiquity. So this was a, a radical view
1:32:47
that was kind of held by a fringe that now in the Western
1:32:50
world has kind of worked its way into the mainstream because it's
1:32:53
a very emotionally appealing belief.
1:32:56
You know, the idea that you can never lose your, your salvation
1:32:59
puts you in a sense of a of, I don't know, complacency.
1:33:03
You know, you're no longer really following a lot of the
1:33:06
warnings of Scripture about testing yourself or avoiding the
1:33:09
doctrines of devils or not being entangled by the pollutions of
1:33:12
the world. You know, Romans 11, Matthew 7,
1:33:15
Matthew 10, first and 2nd Peter, first Timothy for one all of
1:33:21
these various passages with warnings and severe concerns for
1:33:25
the for the fate even in was at Colossians 2 where it says if
1:33:30
you continue, you know, and and there's another verse too.
1:33:33
Again, if you continue in the love or if you continue in the
1:33:36
faith and things like that. These are really stark but
1:33:39
warning passages to me that can only be diffused by diluting
1:33:42
them into some nonsensical idea that the entire Bible is only
1:33:46
concerned about your spiritual rewards instead of your actual
1:33:48
salvation. So O SAS doctrine requires me to
1:33:52
place a bet on the interpretation of scripture that
1:33:55
is both fringe and nonsensical. So I find it to to basically be
1:34:00
very dangerous and toxic, potentially even a different
1:34:03
gospel, and I treated as such. OK, so I see good points from
1:34:09
both sides. I do fall on the one saved,
1:34:11
always saved. But like you probably heard me
1:34:13
say earlier, I don't think the majority of Christians are
1:34:16
actually born again. Well, I would tell you to
1:34:18
repent, but you don't believe that's necessary.
1:34:22
Well no, but if if you listen to my shows you probably would be
1:34:28
wondering where I fell on this. Here's the kicker.
1:34:30
Here's the real kicker. Can I be honest with you?
1:34:32
The real kicker for me, in terms of what I think the belief
1:34:35
system leans into a damnable range, is whether or not you
1:34:39
divide sanctification from justification or not.
1:34:43
If you say. Yeah.
1:34:44
See then, then to me, we don't have a problem like if you want
1:34:48
to hold on to O SAS. And by the way, if you hold on
1:34:52
to a version of O SAS, it is almost a little bit Lordshipy
1:34:56
where, you know, if you have someone who's a professing
1:34:58
believer and they fall away from the faith and they go and, you
1:35:00
know, worship Satan, well, what do you say?
1:35:02
They were never saved. You know, that's kind of the
1:35:04
immediate, you know, cop out for that kind of Lordshipy side of
1:35:06
OSAS. But at least you guys don't
1:35:08
divide justification and sanctification.
1:35:11
So as long as you hold to that core, that sanctification
1:35:14
basically is essential for justification, then we're we're
1:35:18
fine that they can't be divided. They have to be necessarily
1:35:21
interconnected. We probably I don't think that
1:35:23
you have a belief system that I would I would gauge is necessary
1:35:26
toxic. No, because again, I believe
1:35:29
once saved always saved, but I believe if you are not making a
1:35:33
a push towards holiness in purging yourself of the sin that
1:35:36
Jesus tells us He detest, you can't say that you were ever
1:35:39
saved. You know you had an experience,
1:35:41
but that's it. However, I am very critical of
1:35:44
Once Saved, always saved also because the majority of
1:35:47
Christians turn it into a license to sin.
1:35:50
Sounds like you would adhere pretty closely to my IFS as
1:35:53
model I created. I actually created an alternate
1:35:57
to the O SAS model to answer the starkingly problematic issues
1:36:02
that it had at its core, how it had a tendency for modal
1:36:05
collapse, how even if it was true, it was essentially
1:36:08
worthless. That was kind of the thing that
1:36:12
made me create an IF SAS model that kind of rivaled O SAS and
1:36:15
actually was more biblically coherent and philosophically
1:36:19
sound. I should run you through that
1:36:21
sometime. I got a couple videos about it
1:36:23
on my channel, all streams I should say about it actually.
1:36:27
But what you're describing fits into what I kind of would
1:36:31
classify as kind of like that if SAS model if saved, always
1:36:34
saved. So and you can't really decipher
1:36:38
someone's salvation unless they have the faith that actually
1:36:41
does endure to the end. Because you could have someone
1:36:43
who, you know, grew up in the church, then went and served
1:36:46
Satan and then went and served Islam.
1:36:48
And then before they died, you know, they turn their life to
1:36:51
Christ. Well, in the eyes of God, they
1:36:52
were always saved that entire time.
1:36:55
You know, in his eyes, no matter what they were going through or
1:36:57
what stage of their life. For us, our frame of reference
1:36:59
is finite and immediate. You know, we have no future
1:37:02
frame of reference. Well, God does, and he's the
1:37:05
only one that ultimately knows who possesses the faith that
1:37:08
endures to the end and therefore is saved.
1:37:10
So I if SAS is about leaving the frame of reference of perfect
1:37:15
knowledge of someone's salvation where it belongs in the mind of
1:37:17
God and not trying to overreach. And that's what makes it a
1:37:21
superior model to OSAS, because OSAS requires you to make
1:37:25
definitive determinations about someones salvific state that you
1:37:29
can't possibly epistemologically justify.
1:37:32
So you have to believe that the doctrine is true, that the trust
1:37:35
that you're putting in God is for all sins, past, present, and
1:37:38
future, and that apostasy is covered in all of these other
1:37:41
things. Your epistemology to govern
1:37:43
these things might be fallible, it might be wrong.
1:37:46
So in order to believe that you're always saved, you have to
1:37:48
indefinitely and absolutely be able to predicate the idea that
1:37:51
you're undoubtedly saved, because otherwise the doctrine
1:37:54
is just useless. Additionally, you can't actually
1:37:57
look at anyone's fruits or actions and determine whether or
1:37:59
not someone is saved in a true O SAS model, because no matter
1:38:02
what they do, they're still locked into the Kingdom, which
1:38:04
means you can't judge fruits. So you really have no metric to
1:38:08
be able to tell whether someone saved to even begin to apply
1:38:11
that. They're always saved metric to
1:38:13
it. I mean, I don't know if I
1:38:15
totally agree with that for this purpose, right?
1:38:19
If you did the repeat after me prayer when you're 20 years old.
1:38:22
But then you grow up and even if you go to church regularly and
1:38:25
you're cheating on your wife constantly and you're breaking
1:38:27
all kinds of other commandments, how can you claim to be safe?
1:38:31
And if you die in that sin, especially Jesus is very clear
1:38:35
that you're going to help. Yeah, I agree.
1:38:38
I agree with all of that and I would argue if you take that
1:38:41
position then O SAS doctrine, while can be held I guess,
1:38:47
really has no utility and doesn't tell you anything.
1:38:49
It has zero net explanatory power.
1:38:52
It can't tell you really ultimately the state of anyone's
1:38:55
salvation. Therefore it can't apply a
1:38:57
metric as to whether or not they're always going to be saved
1:38:59
because it can't even tell if they currently are saved.
1:39:02
Like you could have someone who you, you know, worship with.
1:39:06
I like to bring up the the the Clergy project.
1:39:08
Have you heard of them? Never heard of them.
1:39:11
Yeah, we should look into him. The Clergy Project.
1:39:13
It's kind of this new anti God demonic inspired, you know, hate
1:39:18
group that basically is a collection of specifically a
1:39:21
bunch of spiritual professionals that have joined this group to
1:39:24
now speak against religion and God.
1:39:26
So these are like pastors of churches, seminary professors,
1:39:30
things like this people that that studied their faith for a
1:39:32
very, very long time, sincerely in depth.
1:39:35
And we're believers and teachers and even paid professionals.
1:39:38
And they, they abandoned the faith, you know, they left, they
1:39:41
left, you know, and it's hard to make the argument that these
1:39:44
people somehow incompetently didn't understand the Gospel,
1:39:49
you know, as as well as any layman or, or their studies were
1:39:53
somehow moot or their positions were, were empty because they
1:39:57
never actually had the Holy Spirit.
1:39:58
I think that's a hard claim to make, to say Oh well, these
1:40:01
people were just never saved because these are people that
1:40:04
delve deeper than most human beings ever do.
1:40:07
Into the realm of the gospel and theology and history and things
1:40:10
like that. So if there was anyone that had
1:40:12
a competent grasp of what the gospel is and what they had to
1:40:15
believe, it would be these people.
1:40:17
And yet now they dedicate the remainder of their lives hating
1:40:20
against God and his people and trying to disarm people from
1:40:23
getting saved by the gospel. So now I think these people lost
1:40:28
their salvation. I think they were, I think they
1:40:30
were in a place and you're, they were good with God.
1:40:32
That's fine. And they chose of their own
1:40:34
volition to exercise apostasy and to leave the faith.
1:40:38
And in abandoning the faith, they they abandon all the
1:40:41
benefits of the faith, including the Holy Spirit and the seal of
1:40:43
the Holy Spirit. Yeah, see, I would still fall in
1:40:49
the category that I would not believe that they were ever
1:40:51
saved to begin with. You know they had the head
1:40:54
knowledge, but that doesn't mean that they were ever sealed with
1:40:56
the Holy Spirit in my opinion. So what is?
1:40:59
What is the content of saving belief to you?
1:41:03
Saving belief is a belief that brings your relationship with
1:41:06
the Lord into closer communion with the Lord and also it will
1:41:10
purge you of sin in your life, you know?
1:41:14
So like for instance, I may tell a lie after being saved, but I'm
1:41:17
not going to be a liar. I'm not going to live telling
1:41:20
lies every day or eventually there may be a bad time where my
1:41:24
wife has an affair on me, but that's not the same as her
1:41:27
living in that sin and constantly cheating on me.
1:41:30
So like I believe that someone who is saved can fall into sin,
1:41:34
but I do not believe that a saved person will continually
1:41:37
live in sin. Yeah, but they could, I mean,
1:41:43
they could live in in in habitual sin.
1:41:45
And you look at that person, say they were never saved.
1:41:47
And then five years later down the road, they come back to the
1:41:50
faith and you say, oh, I guess they were always saved.
1:41:52
You see how useless the doctrine is?
1:41:55
No, not really, because again, you know, you pointed out that
1:41:58
we're looking at it from our immediate perspective.
1:42:01
But like I said earlier, I also see it a lot more like God
1:42:05
watching us play a a chess game and he's already declared the
1:42:08
winner and the loser because he can see the end result.
1:42:11
Whereas halfway through the tournament I might be kicking
1:42:14
your butt and someone says you're the loser, but in reality
1:42:17
you're not. He's only, he's only declaring
1:42:19
the winner. You know at the end if he's
1:42:22
actually predetermining it. Otherwise, he's just for knowing
1:42:24
it and for knowing. I believe in the well.
1:42:29
That's why I believe in predestination based off of
1:42:33
God's foreknowledge. He knows all the answers.
1:42:35
He knows if I'm going to be truly repentant throughout my
1:42:38
whole life and die in the faith, or He knows if I'm going to
1:42:43
leave the Christian faith and go out into the world of sin.
1:42:49
Right. I I agree.
1:42:51
And that's why I'm saying like, oh SAS, The problem with Oh SAS
1:42:55
is it removes that feature, the fact that only God can know.
1:43:00
Because if for you to say it, anyone, including yourself, I'm
1:43:06
always saved. You have to be able to
1:43:09
definitively and undoubtedly, with 100% Cartesian accuracy,
1:43:14
state that you got the right gospel, the right teaching, the
1:43:17
right knowledge. You're having the right
1:43:19
experience, you're believing the right things, you've collected
1:43:21
with the right epistemology, you've listened to the Holy
1:43:24
Spirit the right way, and you've done so perfectly.
1:43:27
Because you have to believe that otherwise you can't even apply.
1:43:30
And I'm always saved unless you can Absolutely, definitively
1:43:35
prove beyond any possible shadow of a doubt with even the most
1:43:38
minute possibility of error, they were absolutely true and
1:43:43
therefore you are absolutely saved.
1:43:45
This is why it can't function at our level.
1:43:48
It can function at God's level. If saved, always saved.
1:43:51
If God sees it, you're saved. Your faith endured or it was
1:43:54
rocky and then you fell out and came back and and then you died
1:43:58
when you came back. And so really you were always
1:44:00
there and he predetermined that and pre knew it for the entire
1:44:03
time. That's fine.
1:44:04
Leave that in God's realm. But OSAS, as a general rule of
1:44:08
thumb, where it's trying to basically access the mind of God
1:44:12
in the present tense and say, well, I know I'm saved or I know
1:44:17
this person saved. So whatever happens, even if
1:44:21
they fall away, God will chastise them.
1:44:23
He'll he'll bring them back. They'll just lose rewards.
1:44:26
Maybe if they keep rebelling, he'll just kill them and bring
1:44:28
them home early. He'll get a fast ticket to
1:44:30
heaven for being rebellious because for some reason that
1:44:33
makes sense in free grace. And that's just how it'll go,
1:44:36
you know, and just buy our interpretation and follow and
1:44:39
bite on to it and just accept it and allow it to fill your mind
1:44:43
and soul with a bunch of complacency where you don't even
1:44:46
question or worry about whether or not you're safe.
1:44:48
So you don't examine yourself, You don't question your
1:44:50
doctrines or your beliefs. You just believe this infinite
1:44:53
idea that you can't possibly be wrong.
1:44:55
And if you don't believe you can't possibly be wrong about
1:44:57
your doctrine, you're never going to test it.
1:44:58
You're never going to question it.
1:44:59
And guess what? You're not going to be open to
1:45:01
any idea that you might possibly be wrong when it does come
1:45:03
across your way. Hey East Max, do you have an
1:45:08
opinion on it? Yeah, who do I got to pay around
1:45:11
here to be saved? That's all I got to ask.
1:45:14
That's such blasphemy, dude. Don't say that, Peter.
1:45:17
Peter made a big deal of that in Acts, man.
1:45:19
That was a big deal in Acts. Don't be.
1:45:21
Don't be saying stuff like that. No, it, it, it, it does kind of
1:45:23
fit the same vibe is that once you're saved, you're always
1:45:26
saved. It's like, well, if I commit as
1:45:28
much soon as I want, I could just go pay someone and be
1:45:30
saved. So, you know, it's kind of the
1:45:32
same attitude in my opinion. Now you know what I call it,
1:45:36
Smokey. I call it Christian Nihilism.
1:45:38
That's the name I gave. Have you heard that one before,
1:45:41
Andrew? No, I haven't, Brett.
1:45:45
Well atheists unfortunately fall into the same thing because if
1:45:49
they don't believe there that there's an objective morality or
1:45:53
concept of purpose and function, then they believe that pretty
1:45:57
much they can do whatever they want in their life.
1:45:59
The only thing that's stopping them is man made subjective laws
1:46:02
like cops and such like that. That's even if they care about
1:46:05
that. Well, if a Christian believes
1:46:08
that no matter what they do, it doesn't matter, then it takes
1:46:12
away the value of morality and ethics.
1:46:14
Why even bother? If you're in the clutches of
1:46:17
God's hand, then it it doesn't matter.
1:46:19
You can do just pretty much anything anybody wants.
1:46:22
That's why we have characters like Jeffrey Dahlmer went from
1:46:25
being an atheist all of his life to eating people to once he got
1:46:29
into prison before he got wore out with a mop stick by another
1:46:32
inmate, he said oh I accept Jesus now there is the true
1:46:36
thing is morality and ethics. You see what I mean?
1:46:40
Yeah, I think part of the issue is emotionalism, right?
1:46:44
So when I was a young teenager, my youth pastor and pastor
1:46:47
convinced me that I got saved because I did all the right
1:46:50
stuff and I was a good person. I came to church, I paid my
1:46:53
tithe, and I said the repeat after me prayer.
1:46:55
But then when I got in my 20s, I snorted enough pain pills that
1:46:59
no pharmacy in the world could hold them all.
1:47:01
I slept with every female that didn't run faster than me.
1:47:05
But they told me from a young age I was saved.
1:47:07
Well when I actually to the faith around you know 2018 ish
1:47:13
then I then I had the real relationship with the Lord.
1:47:17
I didn't just care about doing stuff because people at church
1:47:21
would frown on it. I didn't do stuff because I
1:47:23
didn't want to grieve my Lord and savior.
1:47:25
And then I actively started shedding off things in my life
1:47:29
like the massive amount of pain pills and all the girls I
1:47:31
couldn't run faster than. And so I had fruit of my
1:47:35
salvation and I felt that piece of salvation for the first time
1:47:39
in my life. So I think pastors and
1:47:41
emotionalism do a lot of damage for the once saved, always saved
1:47:45
argument. That kind of kind of reminds me
1:47:48
your statement there, by the way, kind of reminds me of a
1:47:50
joke I heard a while ago. And So what do you call a
1:47:54
Kentucky 13 year old girl that runs faster than her five
1:47:58
brothers? What's that?
1:48:02
A virgin? Yeah, it's brutal, right?
1:48:09
And you can kind of see it too. I've I've noticed that there is
1:48:13
A and for those out there who are buddies of mine or whatever
1:48:16
who might share in some of these views or whatever, I notice that
1:48:19
whenever, like especially debates like the one with you
1:48:22
and Kevin Smokey, you were being completely calm and respectful.
1:48:26
You were giving out your views. He shared his views, but towards
1:48:30
the last 20 minutes of the debate, he starts making noises
1:48:34
and swinging his tongue around like he's possessed by Satan's
1:48:37
little monkey or something. He's melting down.
1:48:40
He's melting down. I really wish.
1:48:42
The one thing I wish I would have laid into a moron was when
1:48:45
he said that faith includes trust and he said it includes
1:48:50
full trust. And that really should have been
1:48:53
the end of the debate right then and there.
1:48:55
The fact that he also said faith was doing something when he kept
1:48:58
saying it with the faith was something God did.
1:49:00
And I kept calling him a Calvinist and a monarchist
1:49:03
because that's the position he was adopting.
1:49:05
And and he would run away from that and constantly go back and
1:49:08
forth between, you know, synergism.
1:49:10
But he would say it's not just mental assent, you know, because
1:49:13
I accused him of it just being mental assent.
1:49:15
He said, no, it's not that it's trust.
1:49:17
And he said it's full trust. Well, that would mean I'm right.
1:49:20
He just conceded the whole debate to me.
1:49:22
Because that means you trust God with your conduct, you trust God
1:49:25
with your decisions. You trust God with your life.
1:49:28
You trust God with your with your pursuits, with your goals.
1:49:31
You trust God with everything. If you really trust God, if
1:49:33
that's really what it means. And that's what faith means.
1:49:35
Then he conceded to me that you absolutely have to demonstrate
1:49:39
what trust is, which follows and flows our actions and good
1:49:44
actions and noble actions and righteous actions and things
1:49:47
that are morally good and pleasing to God because they're
1:49:50
done in faith. They're done in a realm of
1:49:52
commitment to Him. They're not just done for
1:49:55
selfish purposes or just to make you feel good or something like
1:49:58
that. It's done with an intention to
1:50:00
be a, a sacrifice or, or a offering of your life, your
1:50:04
time, your commitment to him. And this is pleasing to God.
1:50:08
These actions of faith, these are things that he has, he
1:50:12
values. This is the type of commitment
1:50:14
and relationship that he ultimately wants.
1:50:16
So Kevin really, and I wish I would have drilled that home
1:50:20
because he did say it and I kind of let it slide, but I wish I
1:50:23
had, I had really focused more on it and really nailed it home
1:50:26
that he basically conceded the whole debate to me in that
1:50:28
moment. Because once he said it's trust
1:50:30
and it's full trust, that means he conceded to me that
1:50:33
sanctification is essential and if not present, can't possibly
1:50:37
be saving faith. I should have drilled him home
1:50:40
on that. But other than that I was I was
1:50:42
happy with all the other arguments I got out so.
1:50:45
No, it was good. It was good.
1:50:47
But I what I was saying is that I noticed a form of immaturity.
1:50:51
I myself, I enjoy listening to other people's views and trying
1:50:55
to unpackage it and figure out where people are going.
1:50:58
But he he seemed like he starts off with a set of list of things
1:51:01
he wants to yap about. There with a vendetta because,
1:51:05
because he got pretty royally spanked last time when he showed
1:51:08
up on my channel and we had that kind of spontaneous throw down
1:51:12
and he was super embarrassed about that.
1:51:14
And this time he came come back and he stumbled hard over
1:51:17
Colossians. I think it was 123 or something
1:51:20
because he goes there and he goes into Colossians too.
1:51:22
And he's like, look, all our sins are forgiven.
1:51:26
I say, well, let's go back 1 chapter and see what this
1:51:29
applies to. Oh, it's the people that if they
1:51:32
continue in the faith and just like in Romans 11 where it says
1:51:36
if they, if you continue in his love, you know, these are clear
1:51:39
conditionals and you know this lying scumbag, he sits there and
1:51:44
he pulls some fringe nonsense to say, well, it could be
1:51:47
interpreted since instead of if and even if that was true, it's
1:51:51
still a conditional because it's saying this applies to the
1:51:53
people since they are doing this thing.
1:51:56
And unless he wants to claim, you know, super monarchism, that
1:51:59
God is forcing that on people, he has to agree that people that
1:52:03
do that are the sense and therefore the qualifier that
1:52:05
applies to the people and the rest of the book.
1:52:08
So that's that. That was that was a fatal flaw.
1:52:10
And he stumbled hard over that then.
1:52:12
And all we could do is go to some real fringe nonsense.
1:52:15
And then when I asked him to justify why he wants to use that
1:52:18
word, his only answer is basically, oh, because it agrees
1:52:21
with me, you know, I'm going to isagete my belief into the text
1:52:25
and find any fringe nonsense I can to try to justify it.
1:52:29
It's horrifically dishonest. And this, this is the thing
1:52:32
about the free gracers, man, or the O sassers.
1:52:34
This is not you, by the way, brother.
1:52:37
I, I'm not trying to throw this at, at your feet, but in a
1:52:40
general sense, with a lot of the people that I interact with, I
1:52:43
do notice a tendency for complete and utter moral
1:52:46
bankruptcy. And it's not, it's not like the
1:52:48
type of thing where I think they're intentionally trying to
1:52:51
be evil. I think sometimes they are.
1:52:54
But in general, what I find about free Grace and OSAS is
1:52:58
they don't actually even know what Christian morality even is
1:53:02
like. They have a completely bankrupt
1:53:04
moral compass. The very idea of the deeper
1:53:06
intrinsic principles of the virtue vice ethic that is
1:53:09
Christian objective morality completely flies over their
1:53:12
heads. They've never thought about it
1:53:13
because really, in their minds, what does it really matter
1:53:17
what's moral or not? Like, what does it really matter
1:53:20
what's moral to Scripture? If I can't lose my salvation,
1:53:23
why analyze why? Why critically look at what it
1:53:26
is, what God's morality actually is, and how I can align closer
1:53:30
to it? Why care at all?
1:53:32
And that's the thing I hate about OSAS and why I believe
1:53:36
it's a demonic doctrine is because it desensitizes us from
1:53:40
doing these very things that Scripture commands and warns us
1:53:43
to do. So that's that is in anything
1:53:46
that comes along as a doctrine that attempts to defuse, dilute,
1:53:51
or destroy pieces of scripture that are clear warnings to the
1:53:55
Saints and the believers. I find that to be a lie straight
1:53:58
from the pit of hell. Yeah, OK.
1:54:04
Well, I mean, I'm, I'm pretty critical on the sloppy agape.
1:54:09
You know, I think that the free gracers have helped murder the
1:54:13
doctrine of free grace because they made it into a license to
1:54:16
send, they made it into the greasy grace where you can live
1:54:20
like hell and, and still go to heaven.
1:54:22
And that's just a filthy lie. I went and I went and had a
1:54:25
little conversation with Charles Lehman Seminary.
1:54:29
This was a couple months ago, and I went in to kind of
1:54:31
challenge him a little bit on the OSAS or free grace
1:54:34
epistemology. And by the way, I think he's one
1:54:36
of the only few like true consistent free gracers I've
1:54:40
met, maybe other than that, Ditmar Hawksa, that guy.
1:54:43
But those are like the only two I've come across that are really
1:54:46
true free gracers. Because when I asked Charles, I
1:54:50
say, Charles, hey, so let's say there's one person who just
1:54:53
affirms that the gospel is true for like a second.
1:54:57
And they're like, Yep, it's true.
1:54:59
I get it. And they immediately go and
1:55:02
spend the entire rest of their sixty years of life worshipping
1:55:04
Satan. Are they going to heaven?
1:55:08
And Charles will say yes, God will grab them by their ear,
1:55:12
kicking, screaming, blaspheming, hating God and his people, and
1:55:17
drag him up to spend eternity in heaven with him.
1:55:20
Because you, you fulfilled the contract.
1:55:23
You suspended disbelief in the Gospel for a nanosecond and now
1:55:27
you're forced to have to spend eternity with a God you hate.
1:55:32
Can you? This is how deep that rabbit
1:55:35
hole goes. The type of things these people
1:55:37
are willing to say. It's the type of stuff where you
1:55:41
would think any objective, rational human being with even a
1:55:44
tiny modicum of knowledge of the Bible would look at such a
1:55:47
statement and cringe and horror of the idea that someone can
1:55:51
present such a perspective being biblical.
1:55:53
But that is what we're dealing with that.
1:55:55
Sounds like a giant meme. Lying.
1:55:58
I'll go you're not get the video.
1:56:00
I'm not lying. I'm I'll go get the video if you
1:56:02
guys don't believe me. It's it's a hilarious thought.
1:56:05
Yeah. Let's go ahead and send the
1:56:06
Satanist to a God they hate rather than suffer eternally.
1:56:10
Yeah, OK. Well, in my my biggest problem
1:56:13
with it is that they're usually the ones who will say if you try
1:56:16
to keep God's commandments, you're a workspace salvationist.
1:56:20
But we're told in first John that if you love him, you'll
1:56:22
keep his commandments. And it's like they have to
1:56:24
completely. Look over, they say you don't
1:56:26
have to love it. No, they say you don't have to
1:56:28
love God. No, they even go that far.
1:56:30
You don't have to love God. You don't have to love your
1:56:32
neighbor. You don't have to do anything.
1:56:34
Literally nothing. You don't.
1:56:35
I've heard praise and self say literally verbatim, you don't
1:56:38
have to love God to be saved. But that's I in my opinion,
1:56:42
that's a stupid heresy. Like those are the ones the
1:56:45
people who hold to that belief and and practice it.
1:56:48
They're the ones who will be told depart from me.
1:56:50
I never knew you, you worker of iniquity.
1:56:52
Now what's iniquity is sin. It's transgression God's.
1:56:55
Law. We wouldn't even know Sin if it
1:56:57
wasn't for his, well, not. Really, to me, it's deeper than
1:57:00
just violating law. To me, it has, it's, it's less
1:57:05
to do with that than the heart of a disregard of the law, a
1:57:09
complete and utter, a complete and utter apathy to the
1:57:13
existence of morality and ideals and and commands of the Holy
1:57:18
God. It's, it's, it's the idea.
1:57:20
Hey, I, you know what? It's OK.
1:57:23
I can bang whores every Wednesday.
1:57:24
And you know why? Because I got a YouTube channel
1:57:27
and I preach to the masses and I bring tons of people to Christ.
1:57:30
He's going to let me in. I'm good.
1:57:32
You know, I can go bang floors every Wednesday.
1:57:34
You're not going to care about that.
1:57:35
Look at all the good I do. You know, I do tons of good.
1:57:37
That's what that passage is to answer.
1:57:40
Not the people that are like, oh, I tried to get into heaven
1:57:43
by the works of a lot. None of those things they
1:57:45
mentioned in Matthew 7 are works of the law.
1:57:47
None of them. None of those things that
1:57:49
they're proud of are works of the law.
1:57:52
In fact, it's in contrast to the law that they are completely
1:57:56
disregarding, and that's where that verse truly lies.
1:58:00
And by the way, that makes sense because this is the reflection
1:58:03
of the Jewish tradition that still exists to this day, that
1:58:07
they erase their sins with good works that they do their their
1:58:11
mitzvahs and their brooks or whatever the hell it is that
1:58:14
they call it. My wife would know she's Jewish.
1:58:16
But anyway, they have to do these, these positive works.
1:58:19
And the idea is that you do enough of these positive works
1:58:22
and it outweighs your sin before God.
1:58:24
This is Christ teaching a very intrinsically specific passage
1:58:29
to condemn that type of view. When the free gracers interpret
1:58:32
it and say, oh, it's just talking about, you know, people
1:58:35
that are they're trying to be saved by following the law.
1:58:37
That's it. That type of that type of idea
1:58:40
of salvific context didn't really exist.
1:58:43
That wasn't the type of workspace salvation they had.
1:58:45
That's what they try to lay on us.
1:58:47
You know, they had a very different view of it and this is
1:58:50
what Christ was preaching against.
1:58:51
That's why I, I despise the dishonesty and the inability to
1:58:56
to give in to reasonable interpretation and cultural
1:59:00
context. This is very, this is very
1:59:02
perverse emotion worship. This is trying to make something
1:59:07
that makes no sense, makes sense because it makes you feel good.
1:59:10
And I'm just profoundly disgusted by all of it.
1:59:13
To me, I no, no offense against you, bro, you've been, you've
1:59:15
been pretty. I mean, you're pretty aligned.
1:59:17
I don't, I'm not calling you a heretic.
1:59:18
I don't think. I don't think again, you don't
1:59:20
separate the justification and sanctification.
1:59:22
We're not on bad terms. I'm just, I'm speaking into the
1:59:24
ether here, just kind of generally.
1:59:28
Where'd he go do? You take off?
1:59:31
Yeah, maybe he's going to draw. He has bad Internet.
1:59:34
He'll probably be right back in just a moment.
1:59:36
Sorry. He said he had a run.
1:59:39
OK, well, that's fine. Yeah.
1:59:42
Well, I was just about to get me some fudge ice cream.
1:59:46
Smokey and E you guys want to chat for a moment and I'll be.
1:59:49
Right back. You don't.
1:59:50
Have much to add to the debate? You want her taste.
1:59:55
Oh I was just saying I don't have much to add to the debate.
1:59:58
Sounds pretty spot on. Not much Smokey.
2:00:00
Smokey has a various amount of things you can talk about in his
2:00:04
repertoire. Just said discuss any old thing.
2:00:07
Oh yeah, sure. Let's see, I didn't.
2:00:11
Say, what's your hobbies? What do you like to do?
2:00:14
Man, I like to throw heavy weights around.
2:00:16
That's what my hobby is. I'm in really great shape and I
2:00:20
don't, I'm not ashamed to speak about it, but we're not going to
2:00:23
talk about me all night, so. Well, at least you're not like
2:00:26
Mike Saha, where every time you come in the room you got to flex
2:00:29
into the camera with your little pitch boy jets.
2:00:31
At least you're not that. No, I mean I figured I'd fit the
2:00:34
the theme here with an AI creation, but pretty accurate
2:00:37
so. OK, sure.
2:00:40
We'll we'll, we'll probably hop on Cam one of these days, but
2:00:42
not tonight. That's fine, I'm usually on Cam
2:00:46
for my shows, at least for the first hour most of the time.
2:00:49
Yeah, I'm not so much a content creator, I'm just here to hang
2:00:51
out, so not trying to farm clips.
2:00:55
Well, I'm a bit of a debater brawler type guy.
2:00:58
I like, you know, throw down my like dumpster fires, you know,
2:01:01
stuff like that. Yeah, I caught you in a couple
2:01:03
of the streams. Seem pretty passionate about
2:01:06
what you talk about. Like to hear it?
2:01:08
Yeah, yeah, I well, you know, there is an emotional context in
2:01:14
the idea that, you know, people believing bad things can
2:01:19
potentially be toxic to their salvation.
2:01:21
So I do sometimes approach it with a certain sense of urgency,
2:01:26
you know, so. I think a lot of that is the
2:01:28
blind leading the blind. They don't really know.
2:01:29
They don't really have any strong opinions, so it flip
2:01:31
flops and they just try to fit their narrative.
2:01:33
They don't really care to have a open debate, they just care to
2:01:37
push their narrative. And it sounds like a lot of
2:01:39
people make it that personality and when you start to challenge
2:01:42
their personality, they get upset.
2:01:44
Very useful. Well, the.
2:01:46
Issue too. Well, the issue too is that some
2:01:49
people, they come across an interpretation or idea that
2:01:53
might be gnostic. It's something that's kind of
2:01:55
unique and tailored to them that they've kind of noticed that
2:01:58
they're very proud of, and it makes them feel special.
2:02:01
And what happens is that because it makes them feel special, this
2:02:04
new belief they've adopted, it becomes part of their identity.
2:02:09
So when you attack it, they don't see you as attacking the
2:02:13
idea, they see you as attacking their identity.
2:02:16
And a lot of the grounding of the belief isn't really tied in
2:02:20
logic or good justification. It's tied in ego.
2:02:25
And that's why, you know, many times when I throw down, if I
2:02:28
see an open opportunity, you know, I don't miss the chance to
2:02:33
strike at the core in the foundation of many of the times
2:02:36
where some of these divergent beliefs are nestled, which
2:02:38
really is these people's ego. And that's why I don't, you
2:02:41
know, spare the rod, spoil the child.
2:02:44
You know, it's kind of that type of situation.
2:02:46
I'm not wanting to concede or condone dangerous or toxic
2:02:52
errors, you know, for their sake and also for the sake of my
2:02:54
aunts, really. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of
2:02:58
those people will pretty much wait until a life changing event
2:03:02
to change any opinion of theirs. They don't want to sit there and
2:03:05
research, you know, is their opinion correct?
2:03:08
They just want to research. Am I right?
2:03:10
So. Right.
2:03:12
They don't they. Sounds like a lot of these
2:03:14
people live in echo chambers as well.
2:03:18
Yeah, it's, you know, it's kind of that warning, I think in
2:03:21
Second Peter, where they won't tolerate sound doctrine.
2:03:24
We'll just kind of go over there.
2:03:25
Their itching ears will guide them.
2:03:27
They don't really want what's true.
2:03:30
They just want what feels good. And, you know, we are in that
2:03:33
type of culture. You know, we have some of the,
2:03:35
you know, greatest luxuries and comforts.
2:03:38
And it's made us all, I think, a little spiritually complacent.
2:03:42
It's actually the reasons why I like this stream.
2:03:44
It's kind of open to everyone and I don't really see very many
2:03:49
places on this platform that do that.
2:03:51
So I think that's pretty I, I, it's done.
2:03:54
It's been done before, but it's pretty cool that it's still
2:03:56
happening in this this year. Yeah, Brett.
2:03:59
Brett was always kind of about the open rooms also because he
2:04:02
likes to let people talk while he goes and eats Mac and cheese
2:04:04
and has cigarettes. Yeah, Brett is true.
2:04:06
I said it. That is true.
2:04:08
Not cigarettes. Vapor, Vapor.
2:04:11
Yeah, I've been hitting the vape and cigarettes, so you know,
2:04:15
good company, no shame. I can't do cigarettes anymore.
2:04:18
Boy, I will start to set my damn lungs on fire.
2:04:21
But actually that's that's how I first started my channel too.
2:04:24
It was the idea of the open room because and not a lot of people
2:04:27
will do that because not a lot of people can contend on the
2:04:30
spot and throw down comfortably, you know, kind of on the fly.
2:04:34
But that's, you know, I mean, me, that's my jam.
2:04:36
So it kind of fits for me. And I know it's not something
2:04:39
that everyone can or wants to do.
2:04:42
So I think that kind of gives me a niche which gives me a little
2:04:46
bit of attention. I'm not a big channel, you know,
2:04:48
I'm only like 300 Subs, but I I still can get 500 to 600 views
2:04:52
of video, you know, so. Nice.
2:04:56
No, I think what you're doing is good, Smokey.
2:04:58
I, I discover whenever I first opened my live shows, it's it's
2:05:03
really, really difficult to just depend on people to show up and
2:05:08
have a discussion right off the bat.
2:05:09
You got to kind of be in the 1000 subscriber range where
2:05:12
people are ready to rock'n'roll. So now I, I do think the way you
2:05:18
do it, and I should probably at the beginning do what I did,
2:05:22
where I talk about some things I've seen in the news, see some
2:05:25
articles or talk about something theologically or in science and
2:05:29
then give people an opportunity to come in while I'm working
2:05:32
that outgoing. So I think you're doing great
2:05:35
the way you're doing it. It works.
2:05:37
Yeah, that's that. And that's really what I was,
2:05:40
what I was aiming for. I was Christ.
2:05:46
OK, well, apparently praise is throwing me under the bus again.
2:05:49
That was quick. How the tides?
2:05:54
No, I didn't. I didn't listen to the video.
2:05:55
What did the video say? The title.
2:05:59
The title led me to OK, so everything's.
2:06:07
So peaceful, but nobody's going on the channel right or anything
2:06:11
right now. Because the stuff with Rob.
2:06:14
What do you mean the stuff with Rob?
2:06:16
What do you mean? OK, all right, whatever.
2:06:19
OK, All right. I'm about ready to to head over
2:06:22
and we're going to have dinner soon here, aren't we?
2:06:26
Oh, it's in the crockpot. OK.
2:06:27
Beautiful. Smokey, did you hear about the
2:06:29
joke I do with my wife about the whole throw under the bus?
2:06:34
No. But what I do is I walk up to
2:06:37
her and I say, honey, can you take a look at my back and my
2:06:40
ass? And she goes, what, why?
2:06:42
And I go, I need to make sure I don't have any imprints of
2:06:45
fucking bus tracks. I just got ran over again and
2:06:49
she goes, Nah, your ass looks fine, honey.
2:06:51
And I'm like, that's good. Any stab wounds in the back?
2:06:54
Back there. Well, Brett, I hope you would
2:06:58
know if you got stabbed in the ass, my friend.
2:07:01
There you go. There you go.
2:07:04
Well, yeah, it's kind of funny. Oh.
2:07:06
Outlandish. Well, I hope he's not doing
2:07:10
that. I hope Praise isn't doing that.
2:07:11
Things have been. Going so according to Low, he's
2:07:14
not. They're just not doing moderated
2:07:16
conversation. She's going to tell me the rest
2:07:18
of it apparently here in a minute.
2:07:19
I don't know, but he's got some video out there.
2:07:21
Some people go watch it. I don't, I don't care.
2:07:23
It's literally irrelevant to me at this point.
2:07:26
I'm just moving forward with content and trying to line up
2:07:28
debates. That's it.
2:07:30
No loyalty around here, yeah. You know, man, loyalty comes
2:07:36
with a certain level of sanctification that I.
2:07:38
Think you can only? Have, if you have the real
2:07:40
gospel and you know, I try, but you know, at the end of the day,
2:07:46
whatever these people do, unfortunately doesn't excuse me
2:07:51
from having to follow my, you know, morality, my Christian
2:07:55
morality and obligation. No matter how shitty these
2:07:58
people treat me, I still have an obligation to my creator and my
2:08:02
maker and my savior, you know, and, and, and I just have to
2:08:05
follow it. I don't like it.
2:08:06
You know, I'd love to let my flesh flash out and just put
2:08:10
every one of these dirty fucking cock suckers in their place, but
2:08:13
that is flesh. And I am called to deny that for
2:08:15
the sake of the spirit, and I do strive for that.
2:08:17
So, you know, I, I try to take a lot of this as much as I can in
2:08:21
stride. Oddly enough, I'll take a lot in
2:08:23
stride, and sometimes even for months, and the moment I say
2:08:27
something, it's so potent, it's so catastrophic, it's so
2:08:30
nuclear, that it just throws everyone into an absolute,
2:08:34
complete and utter meltdown. Like the time when I told
2:08:37
Wildhart that, according to his own morality, was better off on
2:08:40
aliving himself. Or, or the time I told, you
2:08:43
know, Bill that, that he didn't love his daughter because of all
2:08:46
of his antics around the time that are that she died, which
2:08:49
were absolutely disgusting. So disgusting that when I made
2:08:53
mention of what they were, he went back and deleted and naked
2:08:55
all the content because he knew how embarrassing it was.
2:08:58
Finally, because he didn't have the moral compass to know he
2:09:00
needed someone like me to tell him how disgusting he was.
2:09:03
Anyway, stuff like this, I'll, I'll choke a lot down for a long
2:09:08
time. But you know what?
2:09:10
When I do come back, when I do decide to finally retaliate,
2:09:14
it's always catastrophic and nuclear and it always completely
2:09:17
annihilates these people that go after me.
2:09:19
So anyway, that's just some of my war, but I'm trying to be a
2:09:24
little better this time around. I'm trying to be a little more
2:09:27
patient with people and not not jump right to the nuclear option
2:09:31
right away. Well, it is a it's to me.
2:09:34
It don't bother me at all because he's a valid questions
2:09:37
you put for a Smokey. Being a father myself, if one of
2:09:40
my children had something happened to him, I'd be over in
2:09:44
the fucking corner in a fetal position crying, not making
2:09:47
fucking YouTube videos. So I think it's a valid
2:09:50
question. Well, it's just, it's just,
2:09:52
it's, it's a #1 it's a thing about honoring their memory.
2:09:55
Like, what type of legacy are you leaving around the time of
2:09:58
their death? What are you demonstrating that
2:10:00
this person meant to you? And then on top of that, like
2:10:03
how is it showing how much you know how much care, concern and
2:10:08
genuine love you actually had towards this individual?
2:10:11
Like depending upon how you handle the passing or the
2:10:14
scenarios. And if you're if you're making
2:10:17
nothing but blasphemous, angry, alcoholic hate content day after
2:10:22
day, the entire time while your daughter is breathing her last,
2:10:27
and then you only wait two days before you jump back online and
2:10:33
go right to hateful, murderous, you know, evil content,
2:10:37
slanderous nonsense. That shows me a lot about what
2:10:42
that person meant to you. And it doesn't look like it's
2:10:45
very much. And when I pointed that out,
2:10:48
Bill had the most catastrophic meltdown that anyone's ever
2:10:52
seen. And it was public and it was, it
2:10:55
was nuclear. And, and ever since then, and
2:10:59
this is like five years ago, ever since then, I am the one
2:11:02
person on Earth that Bill hates the most.
2:11:07
Well, it's true. I I recall some of these
2:11:10
incidences while this was going on for him and his personal
2:11:13
life. He was taking out all of his
2:11:15
hatred on you and you would think that if someone's child.
2:11:19
And I tolerated it by the way I tolerated it.
2:11:22
In fact, not only did I tolerate it, I never responded to him
2:11:25
during that whole time. I let him, I let hold on baby.
2:11:29
I let him I I let him run his mouth.
2:11:32
I let him attack me. I let him slander me.
2:11:34
I didn't say a word. And why?
2:11:36
Because I knew his daughter was on her last and I was willing to
2:11:39
give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt that maybe
2:11:42
this was just how he coped and that this was somehow making
2:11:45
them feel better. Just attacking me and, you know,
2:11:47
calling me a bunch of horrible shit and horrible names and
2:11:50
making his disgusting little parodies and videos that I
2:11:53
choked it all down. I didn't respond.
2:11:56
I didn't lash out in the flesh. I didn't go after him because I
2:11:59
knew what he was going through and I gave him that benefit of
2:12:01
the doubt. But when I saw that he
2:12:03
completely seemed to emotionally disregard her passing all
2:12:07
together and seemingly just Passover it like it was nothing
2:12:12
and continue with business as normal type thing and continue
2:12:15
his just you know, hateful slanderous nonsense with not a
2:12:18
care in the world. That's when I noticed it and
2:12:21
that's when I put it out there. And that's was just a fact that
2:12:25
he couldn't handle because now he was exposed to the world as a
2:12:28
really truly genuine shit father and he just couldn't handle
2:12:32
that. And instead of addressing the
2:12:35
truth of the matter and what he had done that made him look that
2:12:38
way, he decided to blame me and say I was lying.
2:12:42
Went back and nuke the stream, said I wasn't telling the truth.
2:12:45
And I told him for years. I said then prove me wrong.
2:12:47
Just go and hide the streams. Bring him back.
2:12:49
I'm sure you got him in an archive somewhere.
2:12:51
Bring him back and prove me a liar, Bill.
2:12:53
And you know what? He never did because I wasn't
2:12:55
lying, because it was true and it was disgusting and he was so
2:12:58
ashamed of it that he went back and naked the evidence so that
2:13:01
he could lie about it for years and say that I wasn't telling
2:13:04
the truth. But now it's all out.
2:13:06
It's all out there. Everyone really knows the true
2:13:08
story. And this guy's an absolute,
2:13:10
complete and utter scumbag of the highest orth.
2:13:13
And had he never poked at me and done all this shit, I never
2:13:17
would have noticed him. I never would have said any of
2:13:19
this. I wouldn't have even known he
2:13:20
existed, you know, had he not chosen to just attack me daily
2:13:24
and then make his daughter's final days about me.
2:13:27
And by the way, it gets even more gross.
2:13:30
Ryan has a screenshot of his wife admitting that just days
2:13:34
before her daughter passed, she went to visit her daughter and
2:13:38
while she's dying in her deathbed, tells her about Smokey
2:13:42
St. on the Internet and gets her daughter to denounce me on her
2:13:46
deathbed for the sake of her father's well-being.
2:13:49
Can you imagine saying that and not realizing how fucking
2:13:54
disgusting that makes you as a mother?
2:13:57
That you your daughter's last days and you went down there to
2:14:00
fill her head with your father's fucking Internet drama?
2:14:04
Like what in the fuck is wrong with you Teresa?
2:14:07
You are a fucking horrible goddamn mother.
2:14:10
Both you and Bill are shameful pieces of shit of so-called
2:14:14
parents and I'm going to say that because that's just how it
2:14:17
is. I mean I don't know what the
2:14:19
hell is wrong with you people that you are surrounded by such
2:14:22
gutter trash that won't call you out for the disgusting pieces of
2:14:26
shit you are. I can't believe it, but I would
2:14:29
have never noticed this had you people not made me a project to
2:14:32
try and destroy me and slammer me.
2:14:35
I would have never would have noticed this stuff and I never
2:14:38
would have put it out there. And which has caused you guys to
2:14:40
completely circle the drain since then.
2:14:43
So you chose this Bill, Don't think any different.
2:14:46
You went after me and I told you, Bill, I said I'm the right
2:14:49
one. You don't want to do this, Bill.
2:14:51
Stop. Stop.
2:14:52
Bill. You know, please.
2:14:54
I was even encouraging people on my streams live to pray for his
2:14:58
daughter who is on her deathbed while Bill is doing slanderous
2:15:02
attack streams about me. You think that was easy, but
2:15:05
guess what? That's what an actual Christian
2:15:07
does. Because we feel a sense of moral
2:15:10
obligation to try and do the right thing.
2:15:12
Bill doesn't have any of that. Bill's a fucking dirty, nasty,
2:15:16
greasy gracer. He thinks that he can do
2:15:19
absolutely anything he wants and never compromises salvation.
2:15:23
But everyone that he doesn't like is somehow because Reason's
2:15:26
unsaved, because he feels like it.
2:15:28
He's a degenerate fraud, a dumb piece of shit, and a deviant.
2:15:32
And he encourages deviancy. And now he hangs out with a
2:15:36
Korean pornographer who trades porn on children's media
2:15:40
websites that he owns and and goes around with deviancy,
2:15:43
taking pictures of his daughter and putting penis potatoes on it
2:15:47
and spreading it around for attention because he's a
2:15:49
disgusting piece of shit. And what do you know, Bill
2:15:52
supports all that too, because Sam is one of his best friends
2:15:56
and supports the doxing and the lying and the Mandela Effect and
2:16:00
Satan changed the Bible and all that bullshit.
2:16:04
And they're all in that same toxic, dirty, disgusting basket
2:16:07
together. And you know, I'm glad for that
2:16:09
because since I came back, I shoved all the trash off into
2:16:12
one corner and now everyone's got a real good idea exactly
2:16:15
where it's at. Yeah, it gives.
2:16:20
It gives the whole new name for hell in the handbasket, doesn't
2:16:23
it? Yeah, fuck these fucking people,
2:16:25
man. Everyone.
2:16:26
Fuck you Bill, and fuck you Teresa.
2:16:28
You people are wretched. Yeah, Bill, fuck you.
2:16:30
I don't even know you, but fuck you.
2:16:34
Oh yeah, you want. To.
2:16:37
Know what he we recently caught on about?
2:16:40
We found out that he was got in trouble with his pastor because
2:16:44
he was driving around in a in a furry suit, a panda furry suit
2:16:48
in a, in a fucking van trying to minister and lure children so we
2:16:52
could talk to him about the Free Grace gospel.
2:16:54
Yeah. And his pastor got real fucking
2:16:56
embarrassed and told him to stop.
2:16:58
And he made-up a big lie about how his pastor told him to stop
2:17:01
doing ministry all together when the pastor really just told him
2:17:04
to stop wearing the creepy panda suit and driving in a in a van
2:17:07
trying to lure children. Well, I would, I would call an
2:17:12
end to that if I was the pastor personally, I don't care what
2:17:14
the ramifications would be. That's that would be my
2:17:17
decision. You're out bro, Sorry.
2:17:20
Yeah, I in what universe did that cross Bill's mind and
2:17:24
think, Yep, this is fine, no one will ask questions about this.
2:17:28
Make excommunication great again.
2:17:31
It's also. It's also really, really cheap.
2:17:33
Back in the old days they used to do it in style.
2:17:36
They had ice cream trucks. Now just rusty shitty vans.
2:17:39
Come on. There are still people doing
2:17:42
that ice cream kidnap hustle. Oh boy.
2:17:46
Goodness. Crazy.
2:17:47
He's where I'm at. That's.
2:17:48
Miss Monkey, I I understand you're trying to put a lot of
2:17:52
this behind you, but it's clear that these people have hurt you
2:17:55
and cause some wounds. If you ever need to talk in
2:17:57
private, I'm here for you. All right, well, I.
2:17:59
Appreciate that, Brad. That's nice.
2:18:01
Yeah, I appreciate that. I'm going to bow out.
2:18:04
I'm going to go get cleaned up before dinner as it was sweaty
2:18:07
today so but it was nice hanging out.
2:18:11
Good to good to meet you bud. What's your name again?
2:18:13
Sorry. Yeah, EI go by.
2:18:15
East, OK, yeah, nice to meet you buddy.
2:18:17
I'll probably. Be back around at some point,
2:18:19
you'll see me again. Yeah, sure, man, Absolutely.
2:18:22
Yeah, I'll be around per usual too.
2:18:23
It's good to see you, Brett. And yeah, I hope you hope you
2:18:25
guys have a good night. All right, I guess I'll talk to
2:18:29
East for a few minutes and stuff before he drops out.
2:18:33
I'm just hanging out, man. No, it's all good.
2:18:36
So you like these kind of streams where it's open panel?
2:18:39
I don't understand how anybody could fucking Babble for three
2:18:42
hours all by themselves. Oh, I could.
2:18:45
I absolutely could. And yeah, I'm not doing that
2:18:49
here though. Right, right.
2:18:51
Well, I would appreciate being able to hear you and what your
2:18:54
views are and your ideas and all that.
2:18:57
That's cool. That's cool.
2:18:58
I just, I don't have it in me to talk for three fucking hours.
2:19:02
Just me, myself and I fuck all that nonsense.
2:19:05
I I like hearing people. I like, you know, socializing
2:19:08
with folks and all this. Well, it's nice that you're
2:19:12
doing the AI thing. I think that brings a lot of
2:19:14
value to your content that you're making, and I think you
2:19:19
should keep doing that. I think a lot of people are
2:19:21
getting engaged by it. Like I said, the Jason one was
2:19:24
hilarious. I understood the point and all
2:19:27
that. But yeah, the comedy alone was
2:19:29
was golden. So I'm trying to figure out how
2:19:33
to make it to where the AI can actually listen to the video.
2:19:37
I'm thinking about trying to plug in two microphones and have
2:19:41
one that's pointed speaker so the AI can directly engage the
2:19:45
fucking videos. Because I don't want to have to
2:19:47
give it a summary of what the hell is being talked about every
2:19:50
time and then it goes with it. You seen what happened?
2:19:53
I thought that Jason was the Calvinist and Smokey and all
2:19:57
that. So I don't like having to listen
2:20:00
to a whole fucking video and then explain.
2:20:01
Playing to the AI and then the AI spends the next 15 minutes
2:20:04
kicking the shit out of the person.
2:20:06
So I got to figure that out how to do the audio input.
2:20:10
So it can also be a part of the conversation you follow.
2:20:14
Yeah, I would think there would be a way that you could get the
2:20:16
transcripts from the video and then upload that as context into
2:20:20
the AI. How you pull the the transcripts
2:20:23
from the video, I don't know. I doubt you would sit there and
2:20:26
type it out, but I think that would be a good way.
2:20:29
Maybe I. Could try that?
2:20:31
Yeah, I think that would probably work.
2:20:34
I don't know of AI technology that will just allow you to,
2:20:37
say, upload the video, but that idea that you had sounds pretty
2:20:40
good too. I think that could work.
2:20:42
I do think it adds a lot to the channel though.
2:20:45
The transcripts might actually be a good idea.
2:20:48
You might have just came up with something good.
2:20:50
What you do is you go to the description of any video where
2:20:54
they allow transcripts, which I do, and there's a button that
2:20:58
says transcripts and on the right side of the screen it'll
2:21:02
open up and show everything that was said in the in the shit.
2:21:06
As long as the person speaks coherently, the AI will be able
2:21:10
to read that and go with it. Unfortunately, some of the
2:21:13
fucking banana lovers out there, I deal with they're, they're,
2:21:16
they're like that on the video. So it's like, holy shit, the AI
2:21:20
is going to think you're talking to Oscar to grouch off Sesame
2:21:24
Street. Yeah, yeah, especially, well,
2:21:27
you know, I'm not going to keep harping on Jason, but you know,
2:21:30
he's not the most coherent individual.
2:21:34
He he can be OK whenever he's sober and all that but once he
2:21:38
gets drunk I don't know what the fuck he's yapping about and I
2:21:41
and I feel real bad for Smokey because Smokey treated him
2:21:44
kindly. Smokey doesn't appreciate it
2:21:47
obviously, when he's being nice to someone and gets shut
2:21:50
shoveled in his face as you could tell earlier.
2:21:54
Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of us have
2:21:55
difficulties dealing with that. Me personally, I've been on the
2:21:58
Internet since a little child. Not, I mean not that little, but
2:22:02
maybe a teenager I should say. And I've seen it all, been in
2:22:05
every chat room you can imagine and been insulted my whole life
2:22:10
just like any other red blooded American male has.
2:22:13
And I've, I've adapted to it. My, my skin is so thick at this
2:22:17
point it's impenetrable by the Internet, I should say that.
2:22:22
So I just don't really have any ambitions to create content
2:22:28
myself. I just like to participate in my
2:22:31
free time and see what's out there.
2:22:33
You know, this has been pretty fun.
2:22:35
Just trying to get warmed up here, you know, find my footing
2:22:37
here with you guys. And I'm sure I'll open up a
2:22:40
little bit more as time goes along.
2:22:42
That's fair enough. Well, it's it'd probably be
2:22:45
helpful if I work with you a little bit on that instead of
2:22:48
having you sit there while two people are going back and forth.
2:22:51
That's usually how I do it. I try to make sure the other
2:22:54
people can participate. So you said you've been around
2:22:57
for a long time. Why is there no desire ambition
2:23:00
to do YouTube videos? Have you watched me and seen the
2:23:03
bulls that I've dealt with? He said.
2:23:04
Fuck that. I don't want none of that in my
2:23:06
life kind of thing. Well, yeah, me personally, I was
2:23:09
involved with the Drunken Peasants for a little while in
2:23:11
their community and their Discord, and things didn't shake
2:23:15
out my way. Maybe we'll get into that in a
2:23:17
future date. Kind of really wrote off being a
2:23:21
part of any community on YouTube.
2:23:25
You know, I'm not really going to go into depth right right
2:23:27
here live. Maybe we can have a private
2:23:29
conversation about that at a future time.
2:23:31
But kind of rugby sour from just YouTube communities in general.
2:23:36
I still get in some games with some friends and we chatted up
2:23:39
here and there, but anytime I see an open panel, yeah, I'm
2:23:42
going to hop right in. You know, I'm not afraid to
2:23:44
participate, but I didn't really have a lot to add to that
2:23:47
conversation about what Smokey was saying.
2:23:49
I agreed with, and a lot of what Andrew was saying I didn't
2:23:53
necessarily disagree with, but Smokey had a much better way of
2:23:56
putting things. I just like to crack jokes so.
2:24:01
So you've participated in communities and you've been in
2:24:04
groups and obviously you did it for social reasons and all that.
2:24:08
You seem like a, you seem like a laid back, you know, live or let
2:24:12
die type of fucking guy who just wants some entertainment life.
2:24:16
Why the hell would anybody shit on you?
2:24:17
Why would the communities degrade for you?
2:24:21
No, I mean you, you know Ben as well as I do, so I'll I'll put
2:24:26
it at that. Yeah, but there's other, there's
2:24:29
other people I've, I've talked to some DP fans, some of them
2:24:32
can actually actually contribute to conversation.
2:24:35
Just few days ago I had one on and it was OK.
2:24:38
A majority of them are fucking stupid as hell, but some of them
2:24:42
are really fun. They're cool to hang out with
2:24:45
and talk to. But what happened for you?
2:24:47
What? Why did you break off of the
2:24:49
community? Just didn't serve me anymore.
2:24:52
You know, I try to have conversations with people, try
2:24:56
to remedy the situation, just like many other people have.
2:24:59
And yeah, I spoke out of turn and that was seen as
2:25:06
excommunication for me. So like I said, we could talk
2:25:10
about that more privately. Maybe I'll talk about it on air
2:25:13
some point, but I decided to come over here.
2:25:16
I mean, I've, I've seen the content about you first hand.
2:25:19
I've seen your content as well. And making fun of Brett King is
2:25:24
kind of old and dead. I don't know why anyone still
2:25:26
wants to use that as their major focus in life, but apparently
2:25:29
some people still do. I figured I'd come in here first
2:25:32
hand, see what's up. You guys have been fair nice to
2:25:34
me. I don't see any reason to make
2:25:38
fun of anyone here. Everyone's been reasonable, so I
2:25:41
really appreciate that. It's kind of refreshing,
2:25:43
actually. Well, you're always welcome to
2:25:46
come in. I want to do more shows and all
2:25:48
that, but it's kind of counterintuitive to do a quite a
2:25:52
few of them throughout the week. Like I I did a show with Smokey
2:25:56
and we ended up having a lot of old Youtubers come on a bunch of
2:25:59
Ogs and that was really cool. I saw G Man was in here recently
2:26:02
too. I thought that was kind of cool.
2:26:03
I haven't seen him in a long time.
2:26:05
I mean, I've never interacted with him personally, but to see
2:26:08
him live in 2025 was kind of nice.
2:26:11
Yeah, it was really cool. I think he got a little
2:26:13
aggravated with me though, because he was looked like he
2:26:17
was in the mood to argue with Raging Atheist.
2:26:20
Well, his name was Raging Atheist.
2:26:22
He's now knocked. But it just I was I was seeing
2:26:26
all these older people and old friends showing up and I was
2:26:29
trying to say hello to all of them, say hey, I love you, I'm
2:26:32
glad to see you still alive kind of thing.
2:26:34
And he just seemed like he wanted to prioritize yelling at
2:26:37
the the atheist in the room. Yeah, I caught the back end of
2:26:41
that stream kind of close to when he left.
2:26:42
So I didn't really get to take in the full context of
2:26:45
everything. But you know, Shanny and Jason,
2:26:48
they stepped up to the plate, you know, they got in here.
2:26:51
I didn't again watch that whole stream either.
2:26:53
But I like I like the fact that you are willing to take on
2:26:58
pretty much anything when a lot of other Youtubers don't.
2:27:02
They cherry pick, they talk over, they censor, they do
2:27:05
whatever they need to do to protect themselves.
2:27:07
And, well, I don't really have anything to protect or save
2:27:11
myself. It's just my own opinions and my
2:27:13
own jokes. And no one's talking for me.
2:27:16
I'm talking for myself. And this place seems like a
2:27:18
pretty, just like a pretty chill place to hang out and have some
2:27:22
conversations. Maybe, you know, somebody says
2:27:25
something I really disagree with.
2:27:27
Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll combat that.
2:27:29
But nothing here was too controversial for me.
2:27:32
Everything was pretty sane. Well, I, I'm the same way.
2:27:36
I'm pretty laid back and chill and all that.
2:27:39
I've discovered after being on YouTube for 20 years so that
2:27:42
people don't have some dirt they can throw at you to just make
2:27:45
the shit up in real time and see if any of it sticks or, or use
2:27:50
it to bug the shit out of you and all that.
2:27:52
So even if you're a perfect fucking gentleman, if you get
2:27:56
your face out there long enough on YouTube, somebody sooner or
2:27:59
later going to come along and say, I don't like the way his
2:28:02
muscles lessen them, the light. I don't like the way his fucking
2:28:05
nose hairs luck and then next thing you know you got ATV
2:28:08
series made about you. Yeah, I mean, to a degree, it's
2:28:12
a form of flattery. If you make a big enough name
2:28:15
for yourself, people will come out of the woodwork to challenge
2:28:17
you. But a lot of people are just
2:28:19
trying to find some sort of fame or, you know, as the cool kids
2:28:22
say now, clout. But I think searching for clout
2:28:26
on YouTube is a dead meme at this point.
2:28:29
I think you're wasting your time if you're trying to become this
2:28:33
really important person on YouTube anymore, because unless
2:28:36
you're willing to just hawk some products and get some
2:28:39
sponsorships then there really is no Ave. for any sort of fame
2:28:42
or attention on YouTube. It should be used almost in the
2:28:46
way it's being used here, like a social playground if you will.
2:28:50
That's just my opinion. Well I agree, I agree and I've
2:28:53
said 100 times the people I said I'd rather have 5 people with
2:28:57
big hearts who are articulate that I can have a conversation
2:29:01
within a billion mindless fucking zombies.
2:29:04
I mean what's the point? It doesn't matter if it says 20
2:29:07
billion subscribers on the account, if only one
2:29:10
motherfucker is showing up to talk and hang out and you know,
2:29:13
maybe have BBQ with you, then what's the point?
2:29:16
Yeah, And I think a lot of people fall into their patterns.
2:29:20
You know, they think it worked at one point.
2:29:21
It's going to always work for them.
2:29:23
And they don't have any backup plans for when it fails.
2:29:27
People put all their eggs into the YouTube basket, and then
2:29:30
when the basket dries up, they have nothing else.
2:29:33
And it's pretty sad to see a lot of declines, especially of
2:29:36
channels that I used to watch. But it's just a natural process,
2:29:40
just like life. You know, you start out as a
2:29:42
young child, you mature, you become an adult, then you
2:29:44
retire. And if you have nothing to do
2:29:46
when you retire, you're probably going to spin yourself crazy.
2:29:50
And I'm just tired of seeing people re slap the same thing
2:29:52
over and over and over again and not try anything new because
2:29:56
they claim that they lose subscribers if they try
2:29:58
something new. Well, hate to say it, but that's
2:30:00
just part of the game. If you want to have fun around
2:30:03
here, you're going to lose some subscribers.
2:30:05
That's just a part of the process.
2:30:08
Well, one of the one of the reasons why a lot of the older
2:30:10
Youtubers ended up burning themselves up and a lot of them
2:30:14
still to this day can't figure it out.
2:30:16
I know why. If you do rooms or shows where
2:30:19
you're constantly like fucking on people, even if you have a
2:30:23
young audience that's immature at the time, who are rooting
2:30:26
yarn and all that, eventually those young people grow up and
2:30:29
they want something deeper with something more substance,
2:30:32
something that's more on their level besides My Little fucking
2:30:35
Pony bullshit and and drama all day.
2:30:38
So what's going to happen is eventually people like you,
2:30:42
you'll be watching and you'll be like, well, fuck, I'd never want
2:30:45
to be a guest on that show because they'll just treat me
2:30:47
like a carnival clown and throw shit at me all day.
2:30:50
That's no fun. So guys like me open up rooms,
2:30:54
open panel and say hey, let's be cool, let's be buddies, let's
2:30:57
fucking chat, let's try to find positive things going on in the
2:31:00
world. And that's the kind of shit that
2:31:02
lasts. For me, it's it's really hard to
2:31:05
listen to the same jokes over and over again, the same guests
2:31:08
over and over and over again. It's like, yeah, I mean, some
2:31:12
people have that charismatic personality about them where
2:31:15
they are just entertaining no matter what they do.
2:31:17
But I would say the vast majority of Youtubers don't have
2:31:20
a personality to begin with. They just saw their favorite
2:31:23
YouTube do something, now they want to do it.
2:31:25
They don't bring anything new. And when they do, they always
2:31:29
complain that it doesn't work out well.
2:31:30
They didn't give it the organic time to grow like it should.
2:31:34
They just want to force everything on everyone and hope
2:31:37
that the majority of people buy it up and buy their products and
2:31:40
this and that are the other. No one's bringing anything
2:31:42
relative to the conversation. No one's bringing any
2:31:45
controversial opinions because they're too afraid that they're
2:31:48
going to run people away. But that's what it's like to
2:31:52
have a personality. If you have something to believe
2:31:54
in, you're passionate about it, you put it out there regardless
2:31:57
of people like it or not. So anybody who does that, I'm
2:32:01
going to probably follow a little bit longer than the
2:32:04
people redoing the same thing over and over again.
2:32:07
So you've got a, you've got a decent voice and you've also
2:32:10
obviously you show signs of definitely putting a lot of
2:32:14
thought into things. What is causing you not to do
2:32:17
YouTube videos? You're obviously not afraid of
2:32:19
change. You'd probably be very
2:32:21
successful. Yeah.
2:32:22
I mean, I've debated it personally.
2:32:24
I've gone through a lot of life challenges here in the past
2:32:28
couple of years. I guess that maybe we'll get
2:32:31
more into that, my back story and all that at a later date.
2:32:35
But yeah, I really had to reorientate my life a lot here
2:32:39
in the past couple of years. So I think once things settle
2:32:42
down and things become a little bit more consistent for me
2:32:45
personally, that I will have the dedication that I need to make
2:32:49
it work. Because it really does require a
2:32:51
lot of dedication, a lot of time, a lot of effort.
2:32:54
But I have a lot of things to clean up in my life personally
2:32:56
before I can devote the time and attention to doing it.
2:33:00
It's been an idea of mine and I do make some content.
2:33:03
I'm not going to plug it here. It's personal kind of.
2:33:06
But I'm, I've been using that as a little bit of a playground to
2:33:10
see what's working. I get views but not on YouTube.
2:33:16
It's fair enough. Well, when you do decide, if you
2:33:20
ever do decide in the future, once things are all worked out
2:33:23
for you and you got some content up, feel free to throw me a
2:33:27
link. I wouldn't mind seeing what
2:33:28
you're talking about. What kind of topics are you
2:33:31
interested in? Right now, really into
2:33:35
cosmology, the universe, what's what's really out there.
2:33:41
I don't personally believe in the firmament, but I've been
2:33:44
listening to a lot of people try to argue for it just to
2:33:47
challenge my own opinions on it. I have some points to be made,
2:33:50
but I like to dive really deep into things that I don't
2:33:54
necessarily believe in just to see if there's a lot of
2:33:57
hucksters or is there really some truth behind it.
2:34:01
And I can see why a lot of people would think that, you
2:34:03
know, say a firmament does exist.
2:34:05
But, you know, I mean, personally, I just think that
2:34:08
that's just our atmosphere. And NASA is really weird about
2:34:13
losing technology and videotapes.
2:34:16
And I don't know, I just like to dive into conspiracies at this
2:34:20
moment in time. I don't take them very
2:34:22
seriously, but they're a good source of entertainment for me.
2:34:24
So I can pretty much argue any any conspiracy.
2:34:27
And I really like to play devil's advocate.
2:34:29
So a lot of people think that I believe in things that I don't.
2:34:31
And then I'm like, Nah, man, I'm just, I'm just like entertaining
2:34:35
at this point. I don't really take it seriously
2:34:37
at all. So there's really nothing that
2:34:39
I'm not willing to talk about. But it's really got to be with
2:34:44
someone that's engaging me at that level as well.
2:34:47
I don't really have a lot of time for people just making poop
2:34:51
jokes and oh, that's dumb. OK, Well tell me why it's dumb.
2:34:55
Oh, it's dumb because of this. OK, well, defend your .0.
2:34:57
You can't defend it. Oh, yeah.
2:34:58
It sounds like you're just regurgitating something you
2:35:00
heard from another YouTube. So that's boring to me, you
2:35:04
know, come up with something new.
2:35:05
Like if I feel like you're reading from a script, I'm just
2:35:08
going to probably make fun of them the whole entire time.
2:35:12
With the the firmament topic that you brought up, I, I don't
2:35:16
believe that there was some kind of physical like a firmament
2:35:19
around the Earth. I believe that ancient people
2:35:22
were trying to describe exactly what you pointed out.
2:35:25
They didn't understand the concept of the atmosphere and
2:35:28
how it worked with the planet. So I think they did the best
2:35:32
they could and they seen it as water was coming from there.
2:35:35
They didn't quite understand evaporation yet and
2:35:38
conversation. So that's where I'm at on that.
2:35:41
I haven't really spent too much time bitching and moaning about
2:35:44
that subject. Yeah, I've been watching a lot
2:35:47
of Flat Earth videos. Again, I don't, I don't believe
2:35:49
it, but I did it, a girl who did, and it was funny.
2:35:53
Well, I shouldn't say the word funny.
2:35:54
It was entertaining for me to have those debates, but really
2:35:59
wanted to open my eyes to see where these people are coming
2:36:01
from, more or less. And there's really not a lot to
2:36:04
it. It's just surprising to me that
2:36:07
with all the evidence that we do have scientifically that is non
2:36:10
biased, it's pretty obvious that, you know, the Earth is
2:36:15
round, whether or not we can actually see its full glory and
2:36:18
its full roundness. No, we're not supposed to.
2:36:21
We're also not supposed to be in space either, yet us as humans
2:36:26
like to take it upon ourselves to do the things we're not
2:36:28
supposed to do. I am a big believer in space
2:36:33
exploration, but a lot of government issues and wasteful
2:36:38
spending. And yeah, the government doesn't
2:36:41
really care about space exploration.
2:36:43
At least our government does not.
2:36:44
I heard we had to send some astronauts to Russia to get them
2:36:48
up to space. Like we just we fully invested
2:36:51
in our war machines at this point.
2:36:55
The the flat earthers, I've actually had a lot of them in
2:36:58
the past come into my room. They won't argue with me anymore
2:37:01
because I tore their ass up. They said you should be a flat
2:37:04
earther if you believe in the Bible.
2:37:06
And I gave them Isaiah 4022, Job 26, seven and Proverbs 827,
2:37:12
where it actually describes the earth as being spherical,
2:37:14
setting upon nothing out in the void of darkness, which they're
2:37:18
implying a space. And I give that to them and I
2:37:21
say, what are you going with? And they say, well, you know how
2:37:25
the Bible says from the corners of this, like describing a, a
2:37:29
compass north-south, east, West. And I say, if you look through
2:37:33
any telescope, you're going to see that there's not one single
2:37:36
planet out of the billions that exist that are fucking flat.
2:37:41
They're all sear shaped, including the stars themselves.
2:37:44
So I don't know where they get that bullshit from.
2:37:46
And they're pretty easy to slap around in the discussion.
2:37:51
Oh absolutely, and I just think it's hilarious that they're
2:37:54
willing to disregard the information coming from
2:37:57
satellites yet they use their cell phones that also is sending
2:38:01
and receiving data to their cell phones to look up news.
2:38:05
So why trust the cell phone and not the device that's
2:38:10
transmitting the information? It seems like a pick and choose
2:38:14
type argument. Yeah, the Earth may look flat
2:38:18
when you're standing on it and there's a horizon, but we're not
2:38:21
big enough and we don't have the human eyes to see the world in
2:38:24
its full glory at any given time.
2:38:26
We have to rely on the technology to do that for us.
2:38:29
So why not trust that technology?
2:38:32
It's the same technology that's using your phones that you trust
2:38:35
for Agps. Doesn't make sense to me.
2:38:39
Well I agree. I agree.
2:38:41
I the reason why I kind of shit talk to the flat earthers is
2:38:45
because every one of them I've had discussions with they were
2:38:49
extremely rude and disrespectful.
2:38:51
They immediately came off with the attitude of you're a fucking
2:38:54
idiot if you don't believe what they do type of thing.
2:38:58
And then when when I'm the type of person where I always will
2:39:01
treat people with love and respect, but my temperature goes
2:39:05
up with the fucking mood of the room.
2:39:08
Oh yeah. I mean, you know, if you got
2:39:10
some passionate people, it's hard to stay in that calm, cool,
2:39:14
collected mode. You know, you want to get in
2:39:16
there, you know, be passionate about it or, you know, bring the
2:39:20
energy level up. If everyone else is doing it,
2:39:21
why not? So it's kind of funny though,
2:39:26
that you talking about how mean and nasty and rude they are.
2:39:29
It's just like they're not helping their case at all.
2:39:33
It's just like a vegan, you know, a vegan want to, they just
2:39:36
want to push it on you. They don't want to have a
2:39:37
conversation, they just want to push the narrative.
2:39:40
And I think if you're going to push a narrative, maybe make
2:39:44
sure that we don't have a lot of scientific evidence 1st.
2:39:48
And yeah, I mean, the world will be a lot simpler if people just
2:39:53
actually trusted the science on it because science isn't
2:39:57
necessarily the enemy of religion.
2:39:59
It could be used a tool or excuse me, used as a tool to.
2:40:04
Prove or deny the existence, but no one ever really likes to look
2:40:07
at the technological proving of anything ever.
2:40:11
They just like the cherry pick. Well, I do.
2:40:14
I I myself was a former atheist and I've always admired and
2:40:19
respected science. But I do realize that there has
2:40:22
been a lot of things that have been refuted in science by
2:40:25
scientists themselves. And I do bring that up and all
2:40:28
that. But as far as that firmament,
2:40:31
it's funny that you bring that up along with Flat Earth because
2:40:34
what some of the last groups are community flat earthers that I
2:40:37
dealt with before they fucking ran away with your tail between
2:40:40
their legs, was they believed that there was a physical Dome
2:40:43
around the Earth that was flat, according to them.
2:40:47
But then I asked them a question.
2:40:48
I said, do you believe that there's aliens?
2:40:51
And they go, Oh yeah, yeah, I believe in aliens.
2:40:53
And I said, do you believe that they've ever visited us?
2:40:56
Oh yeah. I said how the fuck did they get
2:40:58
to the Dome then dummy? So that that took care of that.
2:41:02
Yeah, well, I mean, the argument there to play devil's advocate
2:41:05
is they have the technology, I guess, but then we could produce
2:41:09
the same technology. It's it's.
2:41:12
It's an awkward argument in my opinion.
2:41:16
They claim that. The they claim that the
2:41:19
firmament is so thick that it's like hundreds of miles thick.
2:41:23
Even if you were to throw in some fucking sci-fi Star Trek
2:41:26
Into it. Hell, even Star Trek characters
2:41:29
don't have the ability to transport themselves to all
2:41:31
those molecules and all that material in order to land safely
2:41:36
on the Earth, though you follow. Yeah, no.
2:41:38
And that makes perfect sense too, because if the firmament
2:41:41
only allowed humans to be locked in place, then it wouldn't allow
2:41:45
for any other entity or being to penetrate it in reverse either.
2:41:49
So that doesn't make any sense. How could you believe in both?
2:41:53
Exactly what other topics are you interested?
2:41:57
Well, I mean, we could literally spend the next damn hour
2:41:59
smacking like this out of flat earchers, but what else are you
2:42:02
into? Oh yeah, I don't really know.
2:42:06
There's this story in wrestling. Watch a lot of wrestling where
2:42:11
Rampage Jackson's son almost murdered man in the ring, and
2:42:14
watching his dad defend him has been kind of hilarious.
2:42:18
I don't really think he'd probably be up to speed on
2:42:20
what's going on with that, but that's just been a topic.
2:42:22
I do, I'm I'm up to speed on it. Before it, before the incident
2:42:28
happened, the guys were getting up in this guy's face.
2:42:31
However, this doesn't justify in any way he gets in the ring, he
2:42:35
picks the fucking guy up and basically pile slams him into
2:42:39
the ground, then gets over and punches him in the fucking face
2:42:42
repeatedly. It was straight up murder.
2:42:44
It was bullshit, those chick and shit to come up behind him to do
2:42:47
that. Yeah, I was in front of kids
2:42:49
too. And that's that's that's the
2:42:50
biggest part because even when I watched it, I got, I got upset
2:42:53
just watching it because seeing a defenseless man just be beat
2:42:57
to death live, like on a live stream, that was kind of tough.
2:43:02
And it really takes a lot to bother me.
2:43:04
You know, I used to watch all the shock sights my friends
2:43:06
would send me in school about somebody being murdered or what
2:43:09
This was on a live stream in front of kids.
2:43:12
Not once, no. No, he lied.
2:43:14
He lived. I think he's coming out of
2:43:16
recovery now, but the guy that kind of pulled Roger off of him
2:43:21
has been doing a lot of interviews.
2:43:22
And not to say that it was a setup, but this guy that brought
2:43:28
Roger into it was his coach. And there's been a lot of
2:43:31
animosity between those two guys.
2:43:33
So I think that there's been a big cover up to it as well.
2:43:37
And I don't know, I'm just kind of staying on the the toes of
2:43:40
that because I really want to see some justice brought.
2:43:42
Not to say what the wrestler did.
2:43:44
Stu was right, but you also shouldn't be in the back with
2:43:48
wrestlers live streaming when you're not a wrestler.
2:43:52
I just think that's weird to begin with.
2:43:54
And if you're going to make content out of it, make sure no
2:43:57
one dies, right? Like I feel like safety,
2:44:01
especially with kids around. Like you, if you go back and
2:44:03
watch some of the videos, there's kids in the audience and
2:44:06
for them to have to witness that against their will, that's a
2:44:09
whole level of scumbag read that I just can't.
2:44:12
Can't imagine. Because I would like to think
2:44:13
that I'm going to take my son to wrestling events at some point.
2:44:15
And if somebody was getting beat to death for real, I would have
2:44:19
a big problem with that, personally.
2:44:23
Now I I've seen the footage, I've seen the guy slam him down,
2:44:27
get over him, start punching him.
2:44:29
Do we know if this is not just some kind of publicity stunt,
2:44:32
kayfabe or did he really fuck this little boy up?
2:44:36
Yeah, now he, he really did, you know, and Rampage is going
2:44:40
around saying, well, if you, if, if you can't handle the heat,
2:44:43
don't be messing with real fighters.
2:44:45
But you know, we have to take into consideration
2:44:47
professionalism, you know, and human decency.
2:44:51
Like, I don't think anyone would have had a problem if he just
2:44:53
slammed them and maybe got off one or two good real punches and
2:44:57
just got up and did his little thing and left.
2:44:59
I think we'd have a much different conversation on our
2:45:01
hands. But unfortunately, what actually
2:45:03
happened is while Roger Jackson was sitting there on his live
2:45:07
stream, he was reading a bunch of troll comments about how he's
2:45:10
a bitch. Excuse my language, but this is
2:45:12
what was said that he's not. Then he's a punk and basically
2:45:16
got rage baited into doing that because this was ours after the
2:45:21
the can to the head thing. And that's what makes it
2:45:25
premeditated. He had time to sit there and
2:45:27
think about it and still chose to go up there and do it to the
2:45:31
level that he did. And he uses the excuses that the
2:45:34
promoters greenlit him to do it. But I don't think anyone in
2:45:39
their right mind agreed to basically have a man murdered.
2:45:43
If no one did stop him, that man would be dead and he's a veteran
2:45:48
with PTSD who found wrestling to be his escape and bring him back
2:45:53
and give him a purpose and to know that he almost lost his
2:45:56
life that night over 1 beer can to the head, that just doesn't
2:46:01
sit right with me. I think there should be charges
2:46:03
to come. Yeah, Yeah, there should be.
2:46:07
I, I remember that he slammed the black guy in the head with a
2:46:11
fucking beer again. Yeah, yeah.
2:46:12
No. One's debating that that was
2:46:14
right to do, But there was an apology extended to the Raja
2:46:19
guy, and he accepted it. He was like, oh, no, we're cool,
2:46:22
we're cool as long as I get to get him back.
2:46:24
And everyone was like, yeah, well, you know, we can turn this
2:46:27
into content. You go and get him back,
2:46:28
basically. But the guy who brought him
2:46:32
should have known that this guy was unhinged because apparently
2:46:35
he stole his dad's car, famous UFC fighter, and the cops had to
2:46:39
come get them. There was some domestic things
2:46:41
going on there. But this was a very clearly,
2:46:44
like, emotionally unstable person.
2:46:47
And to bring them into that environment where things do get
2:46:51
chaotic and people do like go into business for themselves to
2:46:55
make themselves like a bigger name.
2:46:58
You can't bring somebody who's that unhinged around it.
2:47:01
Like, I hate to bring it up, but the Chris Benoit situation kind
2:47:04
of comes to mind too, where it's like those environments do
2:47:08
things to people and make them change their behaviors, and it's
2:47:13
really hard to stop that from happening unless you just bar
2:47:18
them from entering the ring. If he never got allowed to go
2:47:21
in, the ring would have never happened.
2:47:23
And I just don't understand how these professionals thought it
2:47:26
would have been a good idea to even allow him to go into the
2:47:28
ring to begin with. But, you know, that's just the
2:47:32
world we live in. Unfortunately, people think that
2:47:34
content is king. And people are losing their
2:47:38
lives, unfortunately, or almost losing their lives.
2:47:42
I think back to the Kik streamer from Paris.
2:47:46
Yeah, he he passed away on Kik Live.
2:47:49
So I think people really need to stop and think where they're
2:47:53
allowing cameras to be. And, you know, if the camera
2:47:56
wasn't there, I don't think it would have exploded to that to
2:47:59
that level. But it was live streamed the
2:48:02
whole event. And yeah, people just wanted to
2:48:05
make a bigger name for themselves.
2:48:07
And I think that we as human beings need to do a better job
2:48:12
of condemning that to make sure more people don't do it.
2:48:15
It's almost like glorifying a school shooter, you know?
2:48:18
And I will only inspire more people to do it, unfortunately,
2:48:20
if they get rewarded for it. I can't tell you how many times
2:48:25
I've been watching somebody's live stream and the person is
2:48:29
either drinking or doing drugs and then they go into this like
2:48:32
depression or they say they're going to kill themselves on a
2:48:36
live stream. And I, I in the past, I would
2:48:39
say, hey, hey, look, you know, if you need somebody to talk to
2:48:42
him here for you. While other people would
2:48:45
encourage them to end their lives on a live and that makes
2:48:49
me absolutely sick. They did that recently to
2:48:51
Shanny. Even though even if Shanny and
2:48:53
Jason totally throw me into the bus, I do not want them to end
2:48:57
their lives. So I I got in there.
2:48:59
I tried to moderate the best I could.
2:49:02
There was a guy a while back, very popular, he had over like
2:49:06
300,000 subscribers, was friends with TJ Kirk, I forget what his
2:49:10
name was. He was like a young guy though
2:49:13
Repsian or some shit like. That.
2:49:15
Oh yeah, Miss Repsian. I remember watching his content
2:49:17
when I was a little younger, actually, yeah.
2:49:20
Well, he made a video, he was doing a thing where he was
2:49:23
talking about blowing his brains out and all that and his parents
2:49:26
weren't there. And you know, I tried but he had
2:49:29
so many people in comments there's no way from go see me.
2:49:33
So I went ahead and this is well known people know that I did
2:49:36
this. I ended up calling the police
2:49:38
and sending them to stop him and everything.
2:49:41
And to this day he's pissed off at me for this.
2:49:44
I don't understand why I saved his life.
2:49:46
I made his parents aware and I saved the kid from blowing his
2:49:50
praying God. He was absolutely clear.
2:49:52
He was cocked and a gun and everything.
2:49:55
Yeah, it's, it's tough, man. I mean, as a as a human being
2:50:00
witnessing stuff like that as well, it's hard not to kind of
2:50:04
want to insert myself. But I also understand that for
2:50:07
me, it's really not my place. You know, if I could get a hold
2:50:11
of a person and have a conversation with them, great.
2:50:15
But unfortunately, I've known people in real life to have done
2:50:17
it and to think that I was just one message away, maybe then
2:50:22
maybe I could have done something.
2:50:23
But it's almost like survivor's guilt for me personally.
2:50:27
So I always try to make it a point that if anyone is going
2:50:31
through anything like that, I'm an open door, you know, come
2:50:34
shoot me a message. Whether I've known you for 5
2:50:37
minutes or five years, you know I'm still going to make sure
2:50:40
that by the time I'm done having that conversation, you're in a
2:50:43
little bit of a better place than you were before.
2:50:47
Just doing that online is really, really difficult for me
2:50:50
because I think that in a lot of ways, a lot of people may not
2:50:55
believe it or may not see it or get overwhelmed by the troll
2:51:01
comments. I guess if you will.
2:51:03
For me, I'm easily able to separate trolls, real people,
2:51:07
and who I am in real life. But I think a lot of people get
2:51:10
lost in the sauce and they start believing a lot of those
2:51:14
negative comments as if they're being said to them in real life,
2:51:18
as if they can't just log off, deal with their mental health,
2:51:21
and then maybe come back when they're a little healthier.
2:51:24
A lot of people put that on display for the world to tease
2:51:26
them for it. So I think that a camera is not
2:51:31
a good therapist, let's just say that.
2:51:35
Exactly. And unfortunately, there were a
2:51:38
lot of people in the comments. It, it surprised me.
2:51:41
I mean, I've seen a lot of live streams, but seems like every
2:51:45
time somebody has one of those moments, one of those meltdowns,
2:51:49
the subscribers tell them, oh, you're a coward, you're just
2:51:52
talking trash. Do it, you pussy kind of thing.
2:51:55
And I'm like, holy shit, don't do that.
2:51:57
I mean, I, I've known a lot of people who have actually did it.
2:52:01
I have family members who did it.
2:52:03
So if I see some shit going on, I'm going to call the fucking
2:52:06
police and see if I can get them over there as quickly as
2:52:09
possible to get them some damn help.
2:52:13
Well, I can't say that that was a, a wrong move.
2:52:16
I don't think it's something I would have personally done.
2:52:18
I mean, I unless maybe I've interacted with them to a
2:52:21
degree, but I wouldn't have been able to sit there and, and
2:52:25
continue to watch it. I, I probably would have had to
2:52:27
hop out a little bit before that.
2:52:31
It's just sad. It really is because a lot of
2:52:34
these people are basically crying for help and people are
2:52:37
just too dumb to realize it. They just want to see the
2:52:40
content. They want to see somebody ruin
2:52:41
their life. They just want to laugh to make
2:52:44
themselves feel better. And we all know in reality, the
2:52:46
same people making those comments hate their lives and
2:52:48
wish that they could just go off themselves, unfortunately.
2:52:52
But they want to project that on to other people.
2:52:53
So it's really sad. You know, people get away with a
2:52:57
lot of anonymity as well. They think that they're more
2:52:59
important than they really are. And it would be really sad to
2:53:04
witness somebody take their own lives on a live stream and then
2:53:08
read the chat at the memorial, like, Yep, Yep, this person,
2:53:12
this person, this person, they all contributed to it.
2:53:15
And, you know, people do have to take personal responsibility and
2:53:19
not put themselves in that position.
2:53:22
But if they do, us as human beings should take it upon
2:53:26
ourselves to not encourage suicide ever.
2:53:30
I don't care if it's someone I absolutely hate as well.
2:53:32
I'm not going to sit there and say, hey, go kill yourself.
2:53:35
If anything, if I had such a big personal problem with somebody
2:53:38
else, I'll go do it for you. But you know, that's that's
2:53:42
getting a little over the top. But you know what I mean?
2:53:44
I wouldn't encourage someone to do it themselves.
2:53:47
Right. It's a, it's extremely common.
2:53:50
Twitch used to be really, really popular and unfortunately there
2:53:54
was a lot of young people who would also threaten to do that
2:53:58
to themselves and then the same thing would happen.
2:54:00
So yeah, you can't take any chances.
2:54:03
I understand. I don't judge anybody or hold
2:54:06
against them if it's too much for them to look at and they
2:54:09
need to drop out. But I'm not going to sit back
2:54:12
and watch some kid or some teenager or young adult.
2:54:16
Will anybody for that matter do that?
2:54:18
I mean, what kind of person would it be if I just, like, let
2:54:21
it go and just yada yada yada. That shit can cause us PTSD,
2:54:25
man. That can cause us fucking
2:54:27
nightmares for the rest of our life.
2:54:29
At least I know I tried, you know?
2:54:32
Yeah, no, there's nothing wrong with that at all.
2:54:36
It's just it's getting to a point now where everyone has a
2:54:41
camera at all times and we get to witness the mental decline of
2:54:46
a lot of people. And you know, again, I'm not
2:54:48
going to keep like, ragging on them, but this is kind of
2:54:51
relevant to the conversation. Reverend Shanny.
2:54:55
I think a lot of the times they do not need to be streaming for
2:54:58
their own mental health. And I think that they think that
2:55:02
if they take a break or they stop, then they won't have
2:55:05
anybody to be social with but each other.
2:55:08
And I am going to go on a limb and say they don't have the most
2:55:12
healthier relationships either. So I think that they need to go
2:55:17
see a psychiatrist or a counselor or something other
2:55:21
than streaming all your problems on YouTube, because everyone's
2:55:25
just clipping it. Everyone's just making fun of
2:55:27
them and every time they log on, they have to be reminded of
2:55:30
that. I don't care how much moderation
2:55:32
you do, someone's going to slide through.
2:55:35
It's just going to happen. And to blame the YouTube chat
2:55:39
for your issues. I think it's very unfair when
2:55:44
you are putting yourself in the position to make it worse
2:55:46
constantly. I would never do that.
2:55:50
You know, That's why I took a big sabbatical from being in
2:55:53
communities, is to focus on my mental health, make sure I'm
2:55:57
doing well, make sure I got all my ducks in a row before I open
2:56:01
the gates to be mocked. Not that that would necessarily
2:56:05
happen in that way, but I'm very strong in dealing with negative
2:56:09
opinions. But you have to realize at some
2:56:12
point, any negativity for people at that level of mental illness,
2:56:16
I'm going to say it. I, I think Reverend Shanty do
2:56:18
have a lot of mental illnesses that they don't deal with in an
2:56:22
appropriate way. And to throw yourself out to the
2:56:25
lions, how are you going to be mad that you're getting eaten
2:56:27
up? You're live streaming it, you're
2:56:29
putting it out there. So if somebody says something
2:56:32
negative about it, to a degree, you have to take responsibility
2:56:35
for that. If you don't like it, leave.
2:56:38
It's that simple. Well, I agree and I have
2:56:42
actually talked to them quite a few times in the past about
2:56:45
this. You've talked to them on Skype
2:56:48
and I suggested for them. I've also done the same for
2:56:50
users like Von Hilton. I said Von, you might want to
2:56:54
actually go seek out a shrink or psychiatrist or something.
2:56:57
And he's like, why? There's nothing wrong with me.
2:56:59
I said, well you're talking about lizard monsters and
2:57:02
building fucking alternate universes and all.
2:57:05
This is definitely some kind of issue here.
2:57:08
Just go talk to psychiatrist about see what happens.
2:57:10
They'll give you a sucker after an hour talking to him and we'll
2:57:14
see where things go from there. So I've tried.
2:57:16
I really have. Well, I mean, that's good.
2:57:20
I mean, I, I, I've seen clips of Von claiming he's the Punisher.
2:57:23
That is not a sane individual. He's got a lot of issues.
2:57:28
I don't know the man personally, have not spoke 2 words to the
2:57:31
man. Seen a lot of content from him
2:57:33
and a lot of content of people making fun of him.
2:57:36
And you know, it's kind of sad. He's an old man.
2:57:40
Unfortunately, I think he's kind of lost his mind a little bit
2:57:43
too. But I don't think a lot of
2:57:45
people are trying to point him in the right direction.
2:57:48
I don't think he has a lot of family and friends in real life
2:57:50
pointing him in the right direction either.
2:57:52
And I think that's just another prime example of putting
2:57:56
yourself out to the wolves. It doesn't matter how strongly
2:57:59
you believe in your opinion, doesn't matter how much you
2:58:02
think you are the punisher, you're not, and people are going
2:58:06
to break you over the coals for it.
2:58:08
And if you're not mentally well enough to deal with that, stop
2:58:12
putting yourself in those positions.
2:58:14
It's so simple to me. But unfortunately, people who
2:58:18
suffer from mental illness or psychosis, they don't realize
2:58:22
they're doing wrong. If you were to actually have a
2:58:25
conversation with Bond, you'd realize that he he doesn't
2:58:28
understand what the fuck you're talking about.
2:58:30
He seems coherent in some of the things he says when he brings up
2:58:33
conspiracies, but he really doesn't understand and why it is
2:58:37
that people see him as a fucked up particular individual
2:58:42
situation. Yours.
2:58:44
So that's why I told him I said, look man, I understand from
2:58:47
your, your culture and your, your brand society, all this is
2:58:51
normal, but it's, it's really not and you need to get some
2:58:54
help for it. I, I tell him you're always
2:58:57
welcome to come in my rooms and chat with me and all that.
2:59:00
But nowadays I've told him before he had this latest
2:59:04
incident, I don't know if you heard about it.
2:59:07
I told him, look, when you come in my room, can you not spend
2:59:10
the entire 2 fucking hours going on about trolls?
2:59:13
There ain't shit I can do about them.
2:59:15
Not that you can do about them. Let's just talk about life and
2:59:19
what's happening. How are you doing this kind of
2:59:21
shit? What's your hobbies?
2:59:22
Video games. I like talking video games.
2:59:25
Me too. Yeah.
2:59:26
That's that's something we share in common.
2:59:28
But he nowadays he's not able to get through one single minute of
2:59:32
a conversation with that bitching about a bunch of
2:59:35
fucking losers on the Internet I know nothing about SO.
2:59:40
Yeah, and I think, again, unfortunately for him, he went
2:59:47
stir crazy being in the same room, in the same house, doing
2:59:50
the same thing over and over again.
2:59:52
I'm a big believer in touching grass, as you would say, going
2:59:55
outside, doing things. Sure, maybe some people may have
2:59:59
a goraphobia, I I do understand that.
3:00:01
But can you literally cannot sit in the same environment doing
3:00:06
the same thing and not go crazy? I don't, I don't care how
3:00:08
mentally strong you are, that will drive a person insane.
3:00:11
It's almost like solitary confinement but with a computer,
3:00:14
and that's not a good recipe right there.
3:00:16
I think you're asking for a disaster.
3:00:19
Why myself, I have mild agoraphobia, which I talked
3:00:22
about in my videos, but I have actually tried to do something
3:00:26
about it for years. Like I, my wife and I will go
3:00:29
out on, we'll try to go out on highways and I'll try to go to
3:00:33
public places and all that kind of shit.
3:00:35
And I can usually get out pretty far and go do everything any
3:00:38
normal person wants to do. I just have to, there's a kind
3:00:42
of a ritual you have to do whenever.
3:00:44
If you have mild agoraphobia, you got to relax yourself.
3:00:47
Maybe take a relax and in order to not have a panic or anxiety
3:00:52
attack, but I still I go to RadioShack, you know, whenever
3:00:56
it used to be open, it's closed. Yeah.
3:00:59
Yeah. And you know, as far as malls,
3:01:02
there's not really much there for me, but I do like visiting
3:01:05
music stores and looking at instruments and fucking around
3:01:09
with them and all that kind of stuff for going out to eat,
3:01:11
obviously. My wife and I just recently went
3:01:14
and had just the nicest fucking Chinese buffet.
3:01:17
Beautiful. Love that food.
3:01:19
Nice. That sounds good.
3:01:21
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like you are actually putting forth an
3:01:24
effort to combat it. I would go as far as to say that
3:01:28
Vaughn does not have agoraphobia.
3:01:31
I mean, he just drove states away basically with a random
3:01:34
person that he just met for all intensive purposes.
3:01:37
No, he's never claimed to have agoraphobia and it's not just
3:01:41
sad. He I think that he's still
3:01:43
currently driving around fucking circles trying to get gas money
3:01:47
or whatever so he can get back wherever he's going, but he
3:01:51
doesn't have a home to go back to.
3:01:52
I actually, you know, some people even told me I was
3:01:55
fucking nuts for this. But I said, Von, if you need a
3:01:59
place to stay for a little bit to get back on your feet and you
3:02:01
come here and he goes, well, that'd be cool.
3:02:04
And I said, but Von, if, if it turns out you're like totally
3:02:08
fucked up and you're not getting yourself worked out, I'm going
3:02:11
to have to talk to you about getting you in some kind of home
3:02:14
where people can take care of you and all that kind of shit.
3:02:17
And he does not like that fucking idea at all.
3:02:19
He said I'd rather live in his truck.
3:02:21
But that was my, my suggestion. I'd let him stay here for about
3:02:25
3 months, throw some fucking burgers down the stroke, try to
3:02:29
get him healthy and cleaned up. But if he doesn't make a a move
3:02:33
to do something with himself, then in a home he goes.
3:02:37
Yeah, I, I, I genuinely think that's probably the best place
3:02:40
for him because it sounds like anyone that's going to take him
3:02:43
under his wing is just going to basically be with a man.
3:02:45
Child is, rude as that may sound, he's displaying no
3:02:48
maturity for his age. You don't have anything, So what
3:02:54
makes you think you're just going to miraculously find it on
3:02:57
the street? I'm sure there are plenty of
3:03:00
programs that would take him in and assist him and probably
3:03:04
would even allow him to have a phone to stream from or
3:03:07
something. It sounds a lot safer than
3:03:09
riding around with a crazy person trying to murder you.
3:03:12
But hey, I guess that's what pride does to a man.
3:03:15
He's too prideful to admit that he needs help, and that's the
3:03:18
biggest step. It's almost like an alcoholic.
3:03:20
You know, the first thing they have to do is admit they have a
3:03:22
problem. And how many of them actually do
3:03:23
that? Very few because then they have
3:03:26
to change your whole life around and no one's willing to do that.
3:03:30
Now. I've personally done it and it's
3:03:32
been great, but it's not the. Same cognitive decline and
3:03:38
that's that's the reason why I don't jump into the mess with
3:03:41
all these other animals out here.
3:03:43
I get when people watch and they think what a fucking Dick head
3:03:46
because of some of the shit he says.
3:03:48
But me, I just see it as, you know, I've got a a person here
3:03:53
who's like one step away from a mental institution and I'm not
3:03:57
going to fucking push them and try to aggravate them or make it
3:04:01
even worse for them. I realized he doesn't have the
3:04:04
capability and I think in many ways, Shani and Jason, they
3:04:07
don't have the fucking capability to, to turn it around
3:04:10
and say, man, I'm fucking up because there's something wrong
3:04:13
there. So all I can do is show love and
3:04:16
give the advice and encourage them.
3:04:18
I don't think making videos about them all day,
3:04:20
unfortunately. I think that they feed into it.
3:04:23
I think that that's their only way that they feel like they're
3:04:26
of value is if they have somebody talking about them,
3:04:28
even if it's negative. It's called codependency.
3:04:32
Oh yeah, I've been there myself personally, and I had a
3:04:35
relationship very similar to theirs and it took a lot of work
3:04:39
for me to get out of that and realize that that's been holding
3:04:43
me back for a while. So it's it.
3:04:48
Nobody likes to start over, but I think they do need to hit the
3:04:52
reset button and really evaluate their lives.
3:04:55
And what value is the Internet really adding to their lives?
3:05:00
Because I really don't believe they're making much money.
3:05:02
It just sounds like a therapy session.
3:05:04
And anytime I see a Rev, I can't even get through the whole
3:05:07
video. I know he was doing a karaoke
3:05:09
recently in his outfit. We'll say that, and I'm not
3:05:14
bashing that. You know, if he does decide to
3:05:16
transition at one point in his life, then that's his choice and
3:05:19
I'm not going to knock it. But you can't, you can't sit
3:05:23
there and say you don't like the way a song sounds and then do a
3:05:27
much worse version of that and think you come out looking good.
3:05:30
I read the comments and a lot of people were telling him to
3:05:32
delete it because it's humiliating him.
3:05:35
And I think he sees that and it's like, oh, you're just,
3:05:38
you're a Satanist. You're a troll.
3:05:41
Some people are actually trying to help him.
3:05:43
They're not trying to bully him. They're just being honest and
3:05:45
real about what they're seeing. And I think he misinterprets
3:05:50
that personally as a troll attack.
3:05:53
No one's trying to tell him what he can and can't do.
3:05:56
They're just trying to tell him what's a good idea to do and
3:05:58
what's not a good idea to do. So for him to keep doing videos
3:06:02
like that is not helping him. It's not helping Shanie.
3:06:04
He's not getting views, he's not getting money.
3:06:07
It's really only just humiliating himself and I don't
3:06:11
know if he has a kink about it. But yeah, Rev is not looking too
3:06:15
good these days. And I'm not the type of person
3:06:18
to sit there and put, well, I might make jokes.
3:06:21
Let me not lie to you. I have made a lot of Rev and
3:06:24
Shanty jokes in my life, but not to them necessarily.
3:06:28
Like I don't make videos about it.
3:06:30
I don't sit there and poke in their chat.
3:06:32
I don't do any of that. That is only going to just, you
3:06:36
know, make it worse. And I don't you.
3:06:38
Just got to you got to keep in mind that they're they're I I
3:06:42
believe it happened around for Jason.
3:06:45
I believe it happened around the time it was before he met
3:06:48
Shanny. He was doing his revelation
3:06:51
Jason channel. What happened?
3:06:53
Was. I will say that.
3:06:55
He he had some really coherent good content in the past.
3:06:59
Unfortunately, he has never been the same since his mother died.
3:07:04
He, he was dealing with her and she had cancer and all that.
3:07:07
And that was extremely traumatic for him.
3:07:10
And I, I think what happened was, is when he got all the
3:07:12
money, he started doing drugs and alcohol in order to numb the
3:07:16
fucking pain or whatever. But even I told him, I said,
3:07:19
dude, you're going to fuck yourself all up.
3:07:21
This is not what your mother would have wanted.
3:07:23
She wanted you to be somebody and do something with your life
3:07:27
and you've got the fucking tools.
3:07:29
But he, he just got worse and worse.
3:07:31
And now he's up there doing these fucking gay Buffalo Bills,
3:07:35
silent to the lamb fucking dances and everything else.
3:07:38
I'm like, this is not helping. You do not understand that.
3:07:42
So I'm to the point now where I realize that none of my
3:07:44
suggestions, advice, they're fucking bouncing off of them
3:07:47
like a firm in it. So I got to I, I just sit back
3:07:53
and just hope that out. Whenever I am in a scenario
3:07:57
where I'm interacting with them, I can get through to them then
3:08:00
and that's all I can do. As far as the only reason I gave
3:08:04
them some shit lately and let my AI fucking rip on him was they
3:08:08
said some extremely unfair things about Smokey Sink and I
3:08:12
did not appreciate that. Yeah, it, it, I don't understand
3:08:17
how they don't separate like professional and personal
3:08:22
relationships. I I think they just think that
3:08:24
if you have someone on the show, you automatically cosign
3:08:27
everything they ever have to say.
3:08:29
And that's not necessarily true. I mean, Smokey, he seems like a
3:08:32
very entertaining guy. He's very energetic, very well
3:08:35
spoken. You know, he can add a lot of
3:08:36
value to the conversation where Reverend Shaney don't have
3:08:40
anything to add. And I think that it might be a
3:08:43
little bit of jealousy, if I'm being completely honest with
3:08:46
you, as to why they may not like him, they may not agree with
3:08:48
him, but they always preach about how it doesn't matter if
3:08:52
they agree. You know, they claim that they
3:08:56
can just get along in a way with people even though they might
3:09:01
not agree. But the moment someone disagrees
3:09:02
with them, they take it as a personal attack.
3:09:05
And I think their identity is wrapped up in a lot of that.
3:09:09
Yeah, there's, unfortunately there's a lot of people on the
3:09:12
Internet like that where they'll say I'm completely open minded,
3:09:16
I'm chilling all this. And but then the moment you
3:09:19
fucking scratch at their their theology or their philosophy
3:09:23
that turned on you like a fucking rabid primate.
3:09:26
It's ridiculous. I've seen that happen too many
3:09:28
damn times. You try to be friendly for.
3:09:32
For weed smokers, they're very angry.
3:09:34
So I, I, I'm led to believe that they may be doing more drugs
3:09:37
than just weed. Definitely alcohol.
3:09:39
I can tell, I know a lot of alcohols in my Alcoholics in my
3:09:43
life personally, and I can kind of tell from a mile away and I
3:09:48
can kind of smell Jason through the, the, the screen and it is
3:09:51
sad to watch. That's why I don't watch a lot
3:09:53
of his content anymore. Even for like entertainment
3:09:56
purposes or anything. I don't, I don't find it
3:09:58
entertaining. I don't find it funny.
3:10:00
I don't find it good. He might have a point here and
3:10:04
there, but man, it's so like watered down by everything else
3:10:08
he's doing. It's just unfortunately sad to
3:10:12
see you. But I'm like you, I'm not going
3:10:14
to add to it. You know, if he was in here, I'm
3:10:15
not going to beat him over the head like, oh, you need to, you
3:10:18
need to do this because it sounds like he's the type of
3:10:20
person. And if you tell him what to do,
3:10:22
he's probably just not going to do it because you're attacking
3:10:25
him. You're being a troll.
3:10:26
You're just being mean. But unfortunately, the truth
3:10:29
doesn't really care about your feelings.
3:10:31
And I hate saying that because of where that term came from,
3:10:34
but it's true You. Know, yeah.
3:10:37
Yeah, he had a point. And in fact, don't care.
3:10:40
Like if I see somebody who is mentally unwell, I might say
3:10:43
something about it. But it's not an attack on you,
3:10:45
man. That's just me trying to look
3:10:47
out for another fellow human being.
3:10:49
I think we've all been. I'm different about this though.
3:10:52
Whenever it comes to mentally ill people out in public who are
3:10:56
actually a danger to society and themselves, I I think that they
3:11:01
should be forcibly fucking removed from society at this
3:11:04
point. I don't see Von Hilton as a like
3:11:07
a physical danger to other human beings at this point.
3:11:12
I I don't think Shanny and Jason hardly leave the house anymore,
3:11:15
so I don't think that they're causing anybody any like.
3:11:18
Well, I do think there's a danger between the two.
3:11:21
He's threatened to like, blow her brains out, and I wouldn't
3:11:24
put it past him to do it one of these days.
3:11:27
Well, let's hope that that doesn't.
3:11:28
Happen yeah yeah I'm, I'm, I'm hoping every day it doesn't but
3:11:32
their their arguments get pretty brutal and it reminds me of a
3:11:34
relationship that I was in. We're not going to go too deep
3:11:38
into that but yeah, I'm a survivor of that situation.
3:11:40
So he does not do himself any favors by saying those things,
3:11:47
especially on a live stream because people hear that people
3:11:51
clip it and that's all they know you for is the guy that wants to
3:11:53
blow his wife's brain out. You know, doesn't matter how
3:11:56
many conversations you have with a man most people are just going
3:11:58
to remember that and write them off as a crazy person.
3:12:01
So I do think there might be a little bit of a danger for them
3:12:04
to to maybe go at each other. But you're right.
3:12:08
I mean, they don't really leave the house.
3:12:09
I don't really think you're going to be hurting.
3:12:11
Nobody else. Oh no, I I wasn't paying
3:12:14
attention. There was somebody backstage for
3:12:16
a little bit called Rupert. Rupert.
3:12:20
Is he? Well, he said, can I join One
3:12:22
minute ago I. Don't see him backstage anymore.
3:12:24
I did see him when I just looked down.
3:12:27
Rupert, if you're still there out in the chat, come back in
3:12:29
and I'll let you have a shot up here.
3:12:32
Please don't scream any kind of fucking racial slurs or be
3:12:35
ignorant. You can join the conversation,
3:12:39
but besides Shanny and Jason and Yvonne Heltman, all that is, is
3:12:44
there anything else that you were wanting to discuss?
3:12:47
I mean, we, we pretty much at this point, we're just kind of
3:12:50
kicking a a fucking decayed horse at this point.
3:12:54
Yeah, no, you're right. And like I said, I don't want to
3:12:56
sit here and like, add fuel to that fire just, you know, as an
3:12:59
outsider, I kind of figured. I.
3:13:03
Needed you the knee. What's up?
3:13:04
All right, Rupert, you went bye bye because you decided to play
3:13:07
some fucking racial slurs with some beats.
3:13:09
Yeah, I bet you. I know what happened.
3:13:11
I bet you the DP stream ended and they hopped over here.
3:13:13
There's no reason. To come in there and do that
3:13:15
kind of shit, that's nonsense. All right, Rupert, let me go
3:13:19
ahead and ban you permanently. You fucked yourself up on that
3:13:22
ordeal. Your name Rupert alone sounds
3:13:24
suspicious. I I love these.
3:13:30
Trolls that come in with the the ignorant names right off the
3:13:33
bat. So you know.
3:13:34
Definitely that they're not going to be.
3:13:36
Up on the screen. You know, like, loves the pecker
3:13:39
or likes to suck on sausage, shit like that.
3:13:42
It's like, Oh yeah, that's something I know is going to be
3:13:45
real contribution to the fucking conversation.
3:13:49
Rupert, you should put Rupert Murdoch.
3:13:52
I might have believed it a little bit.
3:13:55
Yeah, but that's sad. Well, you do, you do.
3:13:59
I'm not a I'm not pulling your leg on this.
3:14:01
You do have a good. Voice.
3:14:03
You do sound like you've got some.
3:14:04
Interesting views about things you might when you hopefully
3:14:08
you'll be able to clean out whatever is going on in your
3:14:11
life and be able to start making some videos.
3:14:14
I'd love to check it out, see what you're what you got.
3:14:17
Yeah, absolutely. I just haven't really found a
3:14:21
Ave. that I really like. I guess you can say I don't.
3:14:24
Really have any sort of goal? There's nobody out there doing
3:14:27
anything that I want to do anyway.
3:14:29
Not that I'd want to copy anyone, but I don't know.
3:14:33
This platform really isn't my cup of tea, it seems like.
3:14:37
I mean, I guess I could do like shows like these.
3:14:39
I'm just open it to anyone. Would come in, have a good old
3:14:42
time, maybe watch some videos together, do whatever, but I
3:14:45
don't know. Well unfortunately to be fair
3:14:49
with you when doing shows like this if you don't have at least
3:14:53
1000. Subscribers and shit it the the
3:14:57
IT could take up to like 20 minutes.
3:14:59
One of the reasons I play such long intros for 20 minutes is
3:15:03
people have told me that they didn't get the fucking
3:15:05
notification until around the 20 minute mark.
3:15:09
So what I do is I just play some jams and shit and and do that.
3:15:13
That way I'm not just sitting here with my thumb up my ass.
3:15:15
So fucking time. I'm waiting for him.
3:15:18
Well, it's kind of cool what you did, kind of going through the
3:15:20
news and stuff. And I was doing that while those
3:15:22
two were debating. I was listening, but I was also.
3:15:25
Checking up on the news too. So I think it's important to
3:15:28
kind of add that buffer zone for people to file in, I guess, if
3:15:31
you will. And having like a rotating
3:15:34
regular group of people, I think would be important too.
3:15:38
Not that you would, they would have to talk about the same
3:15:40
things over and over again, but I'll tell you what.
3:15:44
How How about I make a deal with you on something?
3:15:46
As you probably know by now, you've probably seen some of my
3:15:49
videos and you realize I'm. Running on Spotify radio I
3:15:53
sometimes put live shit or pre recorded stuff up there.
3:15:56
How about this? You know probably that I do
3:15:58
Mondays and Fridays 7:00 PM. Why don't you come in, write
3:16:02
down a bunch of topics you like to talk about and Co host
3:16:06
alongside me? Yeah I mean, I could.
3:16:08
I could definitely do that and I'm actually surprised to hear
3:16:10
you say that my voice sounds good 'cause I'm using an old
3:16:12
gaming headset. It's kind of one of the reasons
3:16:15
why I don't have my. Camera on.
3:16:16
I have a webcam. It's just I got to plug it in,
3:16:19
set it up. XY and Z, you know, go through
3:16:21
my whole little production setup.
3:16:22
But I just figured, you know, you were live tonight.
3:16:25
I'd hop in, see what's up, kind of put my foot in the door, if
3:16:29
you will. And I mean, I'd be open to that,
3:16:31
absolutely. I didn't come in here with any
3:16:33
game plan anyway. I just heard you were going to
3:16:34
end if no one hops in. I was like, well, I'm not doing
3:16:37
anything. Let's see what's going on.
3:16:40
Well, I'll tell you what, tomorrow I'm going to be doing
3:16:43
something with TTR and Proverbs guy.
3:16:46
It's going to the. Video is going to be hosted
3:16:48
through here as well as over on his channel.
3:16:51
But on Monday, 7:00 PM, I'll do something, try to throw some
3:16:55
topics together, some things you'd like to talk about.
3:16:58
We'll throw some ideas back and forth and go that route, see how
3:17:02
it goes. I've been looking for somebody
3:17:04
that'll do it. If you're not wanting to do your
3:17:06
own videos and you just want to see what it's like to, you know,
3:17:09
fuck around with Youtubers for a little while and be available in
3:17:12
that way, then let's let's give it a shot.
3:17:15
If it works out for you, then start making some fucking
3:17:17
YouTube videos later on if it works for you.
3:17:19
Yeah, I can always ping pong off of that if you will.
3:17:22
Not to say that I'd be using you for that.
3:17:24
That's never my intention anyway.
3:17:25
But yeah, I can see that. As long as you're interesting
3:17:29
and shit, I I don't care if you benefit from it.
3:17:32
You get subscribers, you get some kind of views.
3:17:34
Good. Oh, and I could get real
3:17:35
unhinged. Not not in a derogatory way, but
3:17:38
you know, we could go into some real D topics.
3:17:40
And I have a lot to say about a lot of stuff, but.
3:17:43
You know, didn't really portray that here today on this stream.
3:17:45
Just trying to get comfortable, but there's definitely more to
3:17:47
come from me. I just like I said, hopped in.
3:17:50
No game plan. You don't.
3:17:52
You don't have to amplify yourself or anything.
3:17:55
Just be you and be yourself and all that talk about what you're
3:17:58
actually interested in. Don't.
3:18:00
Try to find what's trend and just just let loose what's
3:18:03
important to you and what you think needs to be talked about.
3:18:06
Monday, 7:00 PM Central. You going to be able to make it?
3:18:10
Yeah, I don't see why not. All right, So what?
3:18:13
What will happen is I'll play my little introduction.
3:18:16
I'll get up here. I'll say Brett Keane, God.
3:18:19
TV, Radio, my usual. Fucking.
3:18:20
Rhetoric and I'll say my buddy East Max here, he's got some
3:18:25
topics he's going to bring up and we're going to discuss.
3:18:28
Now remember you bring up a topic, we talked about it.
3:18:31
Let people also, if they're in here too, they get the put their
3:18:35
opinion on it and we go to the next topic after we burn the
3:18:38
first one out and we go through it like that.
3:18:41
Sound good? Yeah, yeah, that's easy.
3:18:42
Yeah, I can do that. All right, well, I'm going to
3:18:46
close out of this. It was nice talking to East
3:18:49
looking. Forward to seeing you on Monday.
3:18:50
Don't be a fucking. Stranger.
3:18:53
No, I'll be back. It's been enjoyable.
3:18:56
I'll see you guys next time. Conjoin the relevant anything
3:19:26
intelligent GOD TV, Radio. The prayer.
3:19:42
Keen show.