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Mamma Mia! · The Art of Costume Podcast

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The men came to her saying, I will do anything if you don't
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make me wear that. I said listen my honey, you will
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be wearing it. Eventually they all came around,
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but none of them were happy about it.
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Look, if Ann Roth tells you to put this on, you're putting it
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on on. Hello, and welcome to The Art of
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Costume. I'm Elizabeth.
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Joy Glass and I'm Spencer Williams.
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Elizabeth. We're back, Spencer.
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How are you been in age? I know I miss you.
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Actually, I miss you too. I feel like I've been
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incomplete. How's it?
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How's it going? You know, it's it's the same
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old, same old. Yeah.
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Uh, just just out here wondering what's happening everywhere.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just gone.
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Progressively worse. Did you do your play?
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Yeah, that ended up well. It's fun.
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Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
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That ended like a month ago now. Oh my gosh, it's been so.
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Long for everyone knows Elizabeth and I haven't recorded
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in a long time, you know, ever since really the beginning of
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the strike. Before that, yeah, so strikes, I
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should say, plurals. It's so it's been a minute.
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So tell me about the playing. What did it look like?
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Were you happy with it? Were you proud?
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I was happy. It was one of those things.
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I was like, I was a little worried about it, but it all
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came together in the end and I was like, OK, OK, this was fun.
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This was enjoyable. I like it, OK.
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Nice. Elizabeth.
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Joy Glass, the theater costume designer.
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I'm loving this idea, Yeah. I thunked it.
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Thank you. Well, I I really wish I could
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have brought it up before it happened.
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But, you know, things got kind of weird, especially with the
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strikes. But I moderate a panel at Comic
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Con, so you did. That was pretty crazy.
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It was amazing. Yeah, so I I hosted a panel with
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costumes. Anger.
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Kate Holly, whom we love. We talked about Rings of Power.
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For about an hour at San Diego Comic Con and it was crazy and.
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So many people showed up. It was a booked room.
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We had 50 people online, I believe, still outside who
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couldn't get in. Oh my gosh.
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That's crazy. I feel so bad about.
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But just like the mouse support, there's so many great people
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there. I mean, costumes are Cynthia
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Summers and Amy Pair, some Stranger Things and some
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friends. And of course, like our.
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Great friends at the Costume Designers Guild Local 892.
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It was just, it was just a dream.
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It was, you know, I didn't ever see that for myself.
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So that was that was a moment. But like, I feel like that's
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where you thrive doing these interviews.
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Like this is not the first panel you've ever done or even done
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this year. Like you really just I feel like
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you come alive at them and you're so good at it and it's
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wonderful to watch. Thank you.
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Yeah, it's crazy. I wish you were there, though,
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because walking around that Comic Con floor by yourself is
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kind of like, remember in the bells of Bastards when Jon Snow
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was just drowning in a sea of people?
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That was me. Except I never.
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I never surfaced. I just fully drowned.
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You're just like bye I was. Like, what's this?
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What's this? Actually, I don't care.
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That looks like one too many steps from from this point.
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Amazing. Amazing.
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Oh my gosh. Yeah, I I totally wish I could
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have gone by the time we knew you were doing it.
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I was like there were no tickets left.
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I know, yeah. Well, that's how it is, I guess,
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yeah. But yeah, I guess we should
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address the elephant in the room, the strikes.
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Yeah. So we haven't recorded in a
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minute. Once the strikes went to effect,
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especially SAG Afro, that was when we really were like okay,
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we're done. You know, we took some time to
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really just stop recording and just listen to the community.
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And just figure out what we can do to help.
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So we've been doing what we can to provide resources for those,
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you know, that are listening or maybe not listening.
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Just how the kid get involved, be on the picket lines or
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support people that are being affected by these strikes.
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It's it's been a weird hard time for a lot of people, yeah.
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But it's like I feel like we felt like it was more important
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to support those going on strike and kind of focusing it and
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being like, OK, like our whole, you know, talking about costume
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and film and TV only exists not just with costume designers but
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with writers and actors. Yeah.
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And you know, if they're not working under the conditions
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they deserve to be working under, then we don't, we don't
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have much to talk about. I mean, especially there's been
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so many new releases and it just feels wrong to, you know?
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For most of this work. Because you're right, none of
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this will be possible without the brilliant people behind the
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cameras in front of the cameras making it all happen.
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So yeah, AMTPT needs to get their absolute shit together
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because it just takes the smallest portion of what they
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make to really just change this conversation.
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Absolutely. For the betterment of the entire
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industry too. There's just so many issues at
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stake, and I just, I'm just still bewildered by where we are
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right now. I know I was like when the
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actors went on strike I was like this whole like I I feel like a
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lot of people were like oh who weren't directly involved like
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oh actors going on strike. Like I'm sure this will clear up
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and now we're what over a month into that it well over a month
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into sag after a strike and I'm like this is not getting better.
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This like really AM TPT got to figure it out and if you think
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the solution is a I, no it's not.
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Gosh, yeah, don't even get me started on the A I conversation.
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That's a whole podcast. But that's and what a lot of
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people aren't talking about too is because of these strikes.
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A lot of people saw them coming. So a lot of people have been
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working since last year. It's just.
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Terrible. Yeah.
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So I one of the other podcasts I listen to, A funny feeling.
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It's it's two writers and one of the women also acts and like,
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they were talking about like how slow like work had gotten.
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I was like, you know that that's that's strange.
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And then the strikes start hitting and I'm like, oh, that's
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why. Yeah, it's just.
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Really disappointing. But you know, Elizabeth, Daniel
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and I had a conversation and we just feel like so much about
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what we do is really just supporting costume designers and
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their crews. The brilliant artisans who
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really make a lot of these films happen.
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Costume designers and illustrators and their crew
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members, supervisors, assistant costume designers, they're all
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people who usually don't even get their spotlight, regardless
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of strikes, you know, and. Yeah, you know, it's a
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womendominated industry too. And they already make like way
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less than every other department.
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So we just felt like it is our responsibility to, you know, do
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what we can to still support these artists regardless of
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whether in strikes or not. So we've decided to get back
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together and you know, get the podcast going again and just
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continue to celebrate costume designers and their work.
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That being said. We're still going to provide as
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many resources as we can. If you check out the show notes,
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we have all all sorts of information about how you could
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get involved, how you can participate and how you can
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donate. Such as the Entertainment
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Community Fund, which goes to support, you know, just people
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affected by not just these strikes, but just in the
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entertainment industry in general as they go through hard
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times. So I really suggest you check
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that out. Yeah, right now, if if you want
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to support the industry, you support the strikes.
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And donating is one of the best things you can do for those who
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are striking. Yeah, with that being said, we
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had plans to do Hot Girls Summer Elizabeth, and we're getting
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ready to stuff it all into one episode so we can catch it.
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One episode with the ultimate Hot Girls summer movie.
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Mama Mia. Yes.
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When when Elizabeth pitched Mamma Mia, I answered was like,
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yes, absolutely. There's no, no debate.
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Mamma Mia is one of the greatest films of all time.
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I mean, like, come on, just based off the music of ABBA,
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like, that's a good time there already.
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Then you have Meryl Streep. Come on, it's.
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So good I just. It's so positive.
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Colin Firth. Yes, that's what I That's what I
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loved about watching it today was like the positivity.
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I was like the early 2000s. No, I guess not the early, the
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late, late 2000s. Yes, 2008 I believe.
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Yes, it's just gives you that much needed like it's a pick me
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up because you know I do not love a love story.
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I'm not a love. Romance.
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ROM. Not a romantic.
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No, no, not at all. But Mamma Mia just puts it in
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such a positive, fun and humorous way, you just can't
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help but love it. So you really can't perfect
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movie day get back into it. It is.
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And with that being so expensive, do you want to give
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us a little summary about Mamma Mia?
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I do Mamma Mia. Donna, an independent hotelier
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in the Greek islands, is preparing for her daughter's
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wedding with the help of two old friends.
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Meanwhile, Sophie, the spirited bride, has a plan.
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She secretly invites three men from her mother's past in hope
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of meeting her real father and having him escort her down the
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aisle on her big day. And that is Mama Mia.
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That is Mama Mia. Crazy plot.
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I know, I know. If you haven't seen it, go find
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it. Go find it somewhere, right?
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And the one of the best parts of this film is the costume design.
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And going behind the costumes, we have director Felina Lloyd
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and costume design living legend Ann.
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Yes, I'm so stoked. I don't think we've ever done a
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Ann Roth film. We haven't, and everybody on the
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planet should now recognize her. And if you don't recognize who
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Ann Roth is, you clearly have not seen the Barbie movie.
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You're lying. You're lying.
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You know who this woman is? She was the woman at the bus
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stop who is like, yes, I am beautiful.
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And she is. And she has created some of the
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most beautiful costumes on the face of this planet.
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It. Is so true.
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When I saw her in Barbie movie, I want to stand up and start
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applauding. It was just like, you know, I
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felt like there was a legend on screen and people didn't even
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know who it was. I was surprised.
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By now, by the mouth, people are like, oh, you know, it's the
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founder of Barbie. And I'm like, what?
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Get your bullshit together. Yeah.
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People at my work were like, Oh yeah, like they thought it was
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someone, like, connected to Mattel.
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And I was like, no, that was Anne Roth.
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Do you not know? And they're like, no, Elizabeth,
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we don't. We're not you.
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Why don't you share everyone's up for Adultable work?
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Yes, we have Places in the Heart, which got her an Oscar
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nomination, The English Patient, which got her her first Oscar
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win, The Talented Mr. Ripley Another Oscar nomination, The
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Iconic 9 to 5. Come on, you know the Hours
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Oscar nomination, The Stepford Wives Angels in America?
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The village which did not know she did the costume design for
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the village. And this is still a movie I've
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still yet to see. But I feel like I know
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everything about it, right? But maybe one day we'll have to
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watch it together. It is Wild, Julie and Julia and
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Ma Rainey's black Bottom, for which she got her most recent
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Oscar win at the age of 89. I.
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Believe. Yeah, she's in her 90s and she
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is still working to this day. Absolute legend.
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Yeah, Anne Roth just she kills it.
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I I'm obsessed with her. I think everyone's obsessed with
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her. Anyone in this field is like
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it's Anne Roth. Like just legend.
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Bow down. I we should you know be a little
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transparent. We were originally going to do a
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Barbie episode and we still are one day.
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Because of the strikes, we decided to rearrange our entire
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calendar. I mean, we have moved this
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entire thing around and we were like, well, what their way to
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still kind of, you know, a little peek into Barbie then
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with Anne Rock. Like it was so clear to me as
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soon as we saw that movie. So I was like, you know, so many
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films. So, like, I I meant to look up
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how many films she's credited on.
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And I forgot because I was going through her list on IMDb and was
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just, like, astounded by the volume of her work.
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And I was like, how have we not done a single one?
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But I'm glad we chose this one because Hannah Roth mentioned in
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a New York Times article about Mamma Mia.
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I have never had fun making a movie in my life except for Mama
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Mia where some guy called me and said how would you like to go to
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an island with your good friend and make Mama Mia.
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And as the article goes on, I'm like This is why she had fun.
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And Roth, Meryl Streep, Christine Baranski, they they
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had a good time with their their martinis on these Greek islands.
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So you know what? No wonder she was having a good
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time. I love it.
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I mean, yeah, it makes sense. Cuz Anne Roth and Meryl Streep
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is they're actually like best friends.
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They've done like a million and two films together, so they get
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along very, very well. So I imagine the martinis were
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constantly flowing. Oh, I bet if you send me to a
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Greek island, I don't care what I'm there to do.
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I don't care if I'm working like I'm having drinks throughout the
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day. I am like looking at the
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beautiful vistas. I'm enjoying my life, whether
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I'm there to work or on vacation.
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And she clearly had fun. And Meryl Streep talks about the
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time they had in the New New York Times saying in her work in
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film and theater, Anne Roth is sort of a of a writer.
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Her designs are not so much costumes as an extension of the
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individual character she is building with an actor and
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director. You don't come away from her
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work saying, oh weren't the costumes gorgeous, you just
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remember the people. She is clarified for you through
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what they choose to put on their bodies in the morning.
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She has a sharp flair for the eccentric in the ordinary
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authenticity and specificity. So that's that's a glowing
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review from Meryl Streep. Yeah.
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When you have people talking about you like that, it's like,
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of course you're having a great time, but it's it's so true
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because, you know, I chose this, but like, honestly, I was like,
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you know, as a whole, I couldn't really remember like a cohesive
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look of the costumes. Like, I could remember a couple
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like iconic pieces, but like, it really is.
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She's all about the character. All about the character.
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Especially just like the island scenes when they're not dancing,
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all the characters really just kind of blend and it feels real,
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it feels authentic. But then you could tell she also
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loves a party too when you see like the ABBA inspired costumes
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for The End and the Dynamos costume.
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So I'm just so excited to get into this.
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Me too. Let's take a little break and
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we'll be right back. Yes.
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All right, Elizabeth, Are you ready to party?
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I am ready to party, Spencer. I am so ready to party.
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And this is like, clearly a great work and a great party
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outfit. Donna's blue overalls.
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Yeah, so multifunctional like. Very you.
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I can imagine this would be Elizabeth when me and her other
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friend shoved to her island years from now to check on her
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daughter. Yeah, to attend my child's
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wedding. Yeah, like I'm just going to
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disappear one day to a Greek island and buy a hotel and just
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live my best life with my child. This is going to be me, Spencer.
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In the overalls though, in the overalls, I have been looking
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for a pair of overalls. Just side note, anyway, I love
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these and Anne Roth said about the overalls, I wanted to cut
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the color to have something to do with a European work uniform.
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And it's like, it does give a very European vibe.
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Like her whole look. Like like she's an American
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who's just fully, like, you know, melded in to the culture
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and just works with what she has available.
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Yeah, and it says almost immediately like, Donna is
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working hard. She's not.
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You know, she's not like her. Her friend Christine Baranski
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showing up all fancy. She's like, I would just finish
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like cleaning stuff up. I'm still doing laundry right
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now. That's what what the overall say
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about Donna, absolutely, and that's also what the shoes say
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about Donna and Roth said to the Pocono Record.
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I wanted her sneakers to go away and not be noticed.
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They were aged and died to look the color of her leg.
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Whoa, that's pretty cool, actually.
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Yeah, that's pretty crazy, cuz I don't think I ever realized she
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had shoes on. I thought she was always
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barefoot, right? Like even like this one picture
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I have, which at first I was like, is this overexposed?
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And then I was like, no, her. Her shoes just blend in that
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well. That's such a choice, she's
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yeah. It works.
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I don't know why it was necessary, but it's cool.
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I think it's because it's like she's always running around,
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she's always doing something. She's not going to be like
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washing her white shoes, She's just puts them on and goes.
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Same with her like beautiful peasant top and said when
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thinking about like where Donna would have gotten her wardrobe.
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And said there is probably not a great store on the island and
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she doesn't have time to go to the mainland.
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Perhaps a woman who works in the hotel kitchen gave it to her.
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So Anne's like, this is really like a thrown together look from
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just what's available around her.
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Yeah. Which shows the the genius of
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Anne Roth too, because she's like okay, they're on an island.
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There's not exactly like a Nordstrom on the island, so you
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know you have to keep that in mind as you're creating a lot of
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these costumes for the characters, so.
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Yes, and I think Christine Branski's character knew that
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because she was dressed to the 9.
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Spencer I know she's one of your favorites.
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She is probably the best part of this entire film.
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This is where if we, if we need it, locate.
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If we break down where my crush for Christine Branski came from.
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It was not the Grinch. OK, maybe Grinch had a little
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bit to do with it, but it was Mama Mia.
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I mean, Tanya, she, she is so fine.
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She just seen Vransky when she get does like the little kicks
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and stuff and when she sings what what your mother knows on
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the beach. I mean, I am sweating, watching
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that scene on a consistent basis.
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I just like, oh man. I.
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I forgot a little bit that she was in this.
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And then like, when I was like, oh, yeah, Mama Mia.
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And I was like looking through pictures, I was like, oh, yeah,
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Spencer's favorite. She's in this.
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I honestly feel warm right now. I'm just talking about it.
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Oh, and what did we get to see the other day?
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A little sneak peek of what TV show?
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You have finally got a trailer for the Gilded Age 2.
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And I have to be honest with you, Elizabeth, I have not even
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seen it either, because I'm kind of like waving myself.
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Right, right. I'm like, I need to, like, keep
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my excitement for this going right.
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We're just totally being teased. But we are.
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I'm happy to know that it is coming out at some point and I'm
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gonna go absolutely insane over that show when it comes out.
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You are, and I am absolutely going over insane over Rosie and
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Tonya's costumes because. They are so like, colorful and
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fun compared to Donna. It's like, Oh yeah, of course.
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These are like your two friends who like, come and visit you
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every couple of years on the island and like, you go crazy
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and like, have a great time, right?
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And I love that they brought all these costumes.
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And the costumes also became like props at the same time
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because they're throwing them on and twirling them around the
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streets when they sing Dancing Queen.
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First of all, it's an iconic song, yes, But the way the
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costumes work in that scene, it's just so beautiful because
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the colors, the Blues, the greens and the people in the
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background, it's just epic. You just can't help but just be
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so amazed by it. It's movie magic.
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It really is just adding. Adding pieces, taking pieces
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off. Just this.
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I love the fantasy scene on the boat.
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That's. Not part of Dancing Queen, but
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it's just it's there. The three of them together have
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the most fun scenes, but then we also have Sophie and her
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friends. I'm like, they're surprise
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maids. They're like the miniature
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version of Donna and her friends, which you can like,
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totally see. Yes, just through their costume.
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But it's cool, though, because, well, first Sophie has like a
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very, I don't know how. It's just like a very Greek
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vacation outfit. Yeah, it just works on her so
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well that white and blue. And then her friends clearly
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just came in from college. Or maybe that's they.
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Maybe they graduated college not too long ago.
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But you could tell that they were doing some sort of fun.
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I don't know. College like activities.
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Not too long ago together. Yeah, yeah, and.
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And that's kind of what she wanted when she was talking to
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the Pocono record about these characters, she said.
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Are they a gang who met in the college years?
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Did they go to camp together? Do they work on sailboats?
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She was like, you know, what do these people do?
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And she very, yeah, she very intentionally, like, had them in
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layered pieces because they didn't come with luggage.
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So she was like, OK, they're wearing their bathing suits
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under their clothes. They have layers and it's like,
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OK then you know, their bridesmaids, dresses are there.
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Sophie has them there for them. It's not like they needed to
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bring those, right? So they just have very practical
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pieces and like maybe one or two things that they could have
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thrown in a backpack. I love it.
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This is a mystery. I'm curious what the listeners
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think. Do you think that Donna, not
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Donna, Sophie's bridesmaids were.
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Did they meet in college? Did it go to camp?
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I almost want to say college, but Sophie acts like she's never
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really been off the island, so I don't.
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Sophie's only 20, so even if she went to college like she either
25:50
graduated way early, yeah, she's or decided.
25:54
To drop out like one of the two. Well, e-mail us DMS Let's know
26:00
what you think. Cuz yeah, I mean, that's a cool
26:03
thing about Anne Roth, though, we'll never know.
26:05
You'll never know. You'll never know.
26:08
We'll also never know who Sophie's dad is.
26:10
Spencer. Man, I mean, I kind of feel like
26:15
we know, don't we? I think it's Bill.
26:18
You think it's Bill? I think it has to be Sam.
26:22
I don't know. I don't know.
26:24
I think it's Bill. Just Sam and Donna have such a
26:29
chemistry. I do.
26:31
I want to get graphic, but you could just tell that they.
26:34
That's a lot. Well, clearly her and Bill did
26:38
enough for her to think it might be his kid.
26:41
And. His aunt may or may not have
26:44
thought Sophie was related to her, so yeah, that's true.
26:50
But we all just assumed that's not Harry's though.
26:56
I mean, look, one of them's from the House of Skarsgard.
27:03
This is Stellan Skarsgard, Daddy Skarsgard like he's had a kid or
27:10
two. He's.
27:11
The original The original Daddy Daddy Scarsgard.
27:19
But I love these three, especially how different they
27:22
are. How they all just like settle
27:24
into the like Island. Aesthetic.
27:27
Yeah, it's. They go into almost instant
27:31
vacation mode and they're trying to just relax and let loose.
27:34
It takes some time, but they get there.
27:37
Oh man, I love all of them. I actually feel like.
27:40
I like Harry's costume a little bit more, just because he just
27:43
feels like. This proper gentleman with a bit
27:46
of feminine energy to him as well and you know he loves to
27:50
unbutton his shirt a little bit and let loose and we have a more
27:53
looser fit, so I feel like I vibe with Harry the most.
27:57
Same same. Especially when he's on the boat
28:00
and he's talking to Bill about like his books.
28:02
Cuz like clearly Bill's like this great explorer has gone off
28:06
and like done all this stuff and he's there in like his three
28:08
piece suit and he's like oh like I could never be spontaneous and
28:12
like go on these adventures like and I'm like.
28:15
I feel that Harry like mostly because I don't have the money
28:19
to be doing that, but relatable, I think.
28:22
I understand where you're coming from.
28:26
That's so funny. Yeah, No, I think Harry might be
28:29
the fave. But again, write us and tell us
28:32
who your fave baby daddy is. Potential alleged baby daddy is.
28:36
Alleged. Although, like, I don't know if,
28:39
like, if I was in this situation and I was like, yeah, you're all
28:41
my dad, I'd be spending the most time with Harry.
28:45
I'd be like, Dad, can I come stay at, like, your really nice
28:49
house in London? You know, I really thought you
28:51
were going to be a Sam person. But actually, now that I'm
28:55
talking to you, Harry just makes more sense.
28:57
I mean, you also love, like a very like, British man.
29:01
I do. I do.
29:03
That's that's so true. I also love the ABBA inspired.
29:12
Performance costumes, Donna and the Dynamos.
29:18
Which? I forgot it was Dyna and the the
29:21
Dynamos. I thought it was dynamites and
29:23
then I was that I was watching this and I was like, have I been
29:26
wrong all this time? And I was like, yes, I have.
29:29
OK. Whatever.
29:30
Let's go now. You got me saying it.
29:34
Weird Dynamos for life. I love these costumes.
29:38
I actually think they might be my favorite.
29:41
I just love that she comes out and they have the big billowy
29:45
Donna has a big billowy sleeves, and then Tanya and Rosie, They
29:50
have the shoulder pieces with like the yellow fur.
29:53
It's just very out there. But with the colors and just a
29:57
whole Bachelorette party, it's just amazing.
30:00
And it just really, this is when the ABBA influence, like really
30:04
hits home. You're like, OK, this is this is
30:07
still like the ABBA inspired musical that everyone fell in
30:10
love with before the movies came out.
30:12
So yeah, I think my favorite costume.
30:16
Just saying. They are so much fun.
30:18
I love the little heart detail on the inside of her sleeve.
30:22
Oh, yeah, that's a good one. It's.
30:24
It's so cute. So like so.
30:27
You know, vintage looking and it's like, yes, you were stars
30:31
back in the day and just like look how great all three of them
30:34
look. I mean Meryl Streep.
30:35
It's incredible. Is just like, ever real, You
30:38
know, like Elvin Immortal. Beautiful.
30:42
I'm like, I don't know if you've aged since this film.
30:45
Like, I don't think so. I bet you they could still do
30:48
all these moves right now if we asked them too.
30:50
Oh, I bet they could. I bet they could.
30:53
So I also forgot that this film takes place over like Max 48
30:59
hours. That's very quick.
31:01
It's so quick and I love how packed the wedding day is with
31:08
just incredible looks. It's very adorable.
31:12
Sophie's wedding gown. Her bridesmaid.
31:15
The whole, like Greek goddess influence on this day.
31:20
Incredible. Incredible.
31:23
Like this was one of the first. This wedding gown was one of the
31:27
first things I did think about when I was like, Oh yeah, Mama
31:29
Mia costumes. That amazing wedding gown like
31:33
chef's kiss. Incredible.
31:35
And it's so like it it goes with that whole like.
31:39
Oh, the like the well of Aphronite was once here like
31:43
theme that was going through the whole movie.
31:47
And I love how like everyone is like in these like creams and
31:52
like light Grays. And then Donna's just like this
31:56
huge pop of color. And I love that dress because
32:04
it's so I'm like. Every mom in the 2000s, I think,
32:08
owned that dress. And it is so.
32:13
So perfect with the big red shawl.
32:17
It's so beautiful. And then when she's it's during
32:20
Winter Takes it All, One of the greatest songs of all time.
32:23
This entire album slaps so hard. It's just like different sort of
32:28
level. But when Donna's running with
32:30
the shawl and it's blowing in a win like a Colors of the Wind
32:34
moment with that pink, it's just, yes, stunning.
32:37
It's just, yeah, I I actually always forget that there is a
32:41
wedding at the end because just by that point I'm just so like
32:45
blown over. The baby daddy.
32:47
Yeah, you can't believe we're getting married at a time like
32:50
this. That's crazy.
32:52
What do you think of Skye, her fiance?
32:56
Oh, he's fine. He could have been a little more
32:58
supportive, but you know. It was just like giving Devil
33:03
Wears Prada vibes like, just very, very tiny.
33:06
But like, but like it was the 2000s.
33:10
Like like when I think back on the 2000s and like good
33:14
boyfriends and movies like I can't really think of 1, right.
33:22
That's very true. The song that Sophie and Sky
33:28
sing Lay all your love on me though when they're like on the
33:32
cliffs and there's like water spraying and.
33:34
That is cool, dude. That is a hot, hot scene.
33:37
I'm like, OK, like, I get it. The the spiciness between these
33:41
two in this film feels very real, and Amanda Seyfried looks
33:46
so good and she looks. So good.
33:49
And I think this was like one of her first roles.
33:51
It's early. It's pretty early.
33:53
It kills it. She does so well.
33:56
Oh man. But to top it all off, at the
34:00
very end we have two incredible dance sequences with all the
34:08
main characters, which was actually.
34:14
A bit of a last minute addition to the film.
34:18
So Anne Roth, she was like, I just got, you know, some spandex
34:23
and made what I had to, made what I knew would work.
34:28
And we're talking to the Pocono record.
34:30
The topic of how much say she has an actor's costumes comes
34:34
up. And she says when it comes to
34:37
costumes, I have every bit of say.
34:42
When it came to this scene in particular, the men came to her
34:47
saying, she said each one of them came to me and said I will
34:52
do anything if you don't make me wear that.
34:57
I said, Listen, my honey, you will be wearing it and.
35:04
Apparently it was calm. Firth was the first one to have
35:06
an issue with it and but then I guess someone in the workroom
35:12
was like makes your butt look good and he came.
35:16
Eventually they all came around, but none of them were happy
35:20
about it. Look, if Ann Roth tells you to
35:23
put this on, you're putting it. On and also they all look good
35:29
and it's, I get it, They're not like, you know, I wouldn't go on
35:32
a first date in one of these costumes, but it's just fun and
35:36
it's Mama me and it's ABBA. It's like and like Sophie looks
35:48
adorable, Like, so cute. Like, of course you're going to
35:39
be in this finale number. I would have been disappointed
35:41
if they didn't wear these costumes.
35:50
The three of them in that like white, silvery, like, perfect,
35:56
gone to say. All the men in the brand, right?
35:59
Yes, she is really killing it. But yeah, then I love the men
36:04
and like just those bright, bright color.
36:07
It's so good. It's just I love the the women
36:11
are center front, you know, just kind of just in the gold, beige,
36:16
white color. And then the men are right
36:18
behind them. They contrast right behind them.
36:20
And it just looks so good and actually included a picture for
36:24
you because currently by the time this comes out, it'll be
36:27
September. Some shirts still on display.
36:29
But. And Roth actually has a small
36:32
little exhibition at the Academy Museum and there's a case with I
36:35
think there's a costume from Stepford Wives and Mom rings
36:39
Black Bottom and there is a Donna costume from Mamma Mia
36:42
from the scene it's. This one?
36:44
Oh my goodness, that's amazing. It looks so good up close.
36:49
It's just so much detail. And the amount of construction
36:52
on that fringe is just kind of mindblowing.
36:55
Seen it up close. It really is.
36:58
And I love seeing the belt because it's not really
37:03
something you can see in the scene because they're moving so
37:05
much, because they're killing it with.
37:08
The Korea, Yes. I also love, like, I mean
37:14
clearly like watching the scene. I didn't think Meryl Streep
37:19
didn't have something under underneath the top, but it's so
37:23
sheer. So I love being able to see,
37:25
like, The New Delusion, like under that and like, that's
37:30
incredible. Yeah, I actually didn't think
37:32
they were the same costume at first, but once I rewatched, I
37:35
was like, Oh yeah, I guess that is it.
37:37
It's just very, very sheer. It just looks different on a
37:40
mannequin. But such a great costume and
37:43
such a great movie. I mean, I could watch this every
37:46
single day and I don't think I would ever get bored of it.
37:49
And it makes me all watch the sequel too, which is another
37:53
great film costumes designed by Michelle Clapton, who did.
37:56
Game of Thrones has sharing it too.
37:59
So it's. Just yeah, you're my.
38:01
Favorite. Yeah, but I don't feel the same
38:03
way about Cher like I do Christine.
38:05
No you don't. You don't Different, different
38:09
types of love. If you get me, if you get what
38:11
I'm saying, if you're picking up what I'm putting down.
38:14
I'm picking off what you're putting down, Spencer.
38:18
With that said, that brings us to the end of Mamma Mia Spencer.
38:23
I think we both need a little, a little break to to think things
38:27
over and then when we come back, Are you ready to play our
38:31
favorite game? I'm so excited.
38:33
It's been such a long time. Of course, it's a easy costume
38:37
this time, but I'm ready, so let's take a break.
38:39
Let's do it. Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer
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support. All right, Elizabeth.
39:41
That was fun. What a what a what a great way
39:44
to get back into it. Such a party.
39:47
I know, I know. I was like, it was nice.
39:51
I was like this this. Getting this one ready was also
39:53
just like a smooth ride and it just like kind of fell into
39:55
place and I was like, this is so nice and I've already started my
39:59
Spotify just binge of Mamma Mia music all day long.
40:03
So. It's not going to end for a
40:04
month or two, so. Nice.
40:06
Nice. Nice.
40:08
Well then. Are you ready for our favorite
40:11
game, Spencer? I am so ready.
40:14
Let's do it. The one costume to rule them
40:19
all. Spencer What's your one costume
40:25
to rule them all? So this one I picked almost
40:28
immediately. Well, I guess I should say I had
40:32
two options I was kind of leaning toward.
40:36
Just like the dancing queen scene where they were running
40:39
around with all the props and green costumes, but I had the
40:42
Pick, just the Don and the Dynamos costumes we see when
40:46
they perform a Super Trooper. It's just so good.
40:50
I just love seeing it. It's such a great way to.
40:53
It's just great storytelling to tell all the people in the
40:56
audience and the people watching it that, you know, these three
41:00
friends have been best friends forever.
41:03
And this is what they used to do.
41:05
They used to be happy and this is how they became friends
41:07
performing and singing these songs together.
41:11
And you know, it kind of looks like that that they pulled them
41:13
out of their trunks, like they've had these costumes for a
41:16
long time. So it's just, yeah, to me it's
41:18
just like master class storytelling and I love to see
41:21
it and they all look so good in it and.
41:24
It's like it's not just one costume, it's the set of three,
41:27
just Donna and a Dynamo. It's a unit.
41:29
It's definitely a unit where you cannot look at one without the
41:32
other, yes. And that is an excellent choice.
41:36
Spencer Mine, a lot of it. Different MY1 costume to rule
41:43
them all was Sophie's wedding gown.
41:46
Honestly, it kind of saw that coming a little bit.
41:49
I know it's very me. It's also like, it's one of the
41:54
pieces they used in the promotion of this film.
41:58
A lot. She's wearing this dress and a
41:59
lot of the promotional photos. But I also love, like,
42:05
especially once they get that veil on the dress, it's
42:08
gorgeous. It's beautiful.
42:09
It looks so good on her, but it's very big and it's very kind
42:13
of like almost overbearing for her.
42:16
And you can kind of see because like, she's dealing with a lot,
42:20
and at the end of the day she decides not to get married.
42:23
But it's kind of like the culmination of everything she's
42:25
been planning, and it's just too much for her.
42:29
Right. It's like she looks beautiful,
42:31
but there's so much happening. She's kind of like.
42:34
Yeah, and I feel like that her whole look perfect.
42:38
I mean, she's not even wearing shoes.
42:39
Like, she's clearly like she's got too much going on.
42:43
She forgot her shoes. So.
42:48
Right. So like, I just feel like that
42:50
was very much like the staple piece to show, like where she
42:54
was in that moment. And once it's stripped down to
42:57
like just the dress, it's very light, it's very flowy.
43:01
It's like, you know, her and her boy or fiance, I guess are going
43:05
to go travel the world and have fun and she's just going to
43:08
float away in this beautiful dress.
43:11
Such a good answer. I love it.
43:13
It's so good. It's just looking at it.
43:16
It's just giving statue vibes. It's so beautiful.
43:19
Yes. Elizabeth, this has been such a
43:21
fun episode. I'm so glad we're back.
43:24
Me too. I I've missed this?
43:26
Me too. And if you all love this episode
43:29
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43:34
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43:37
We want to know your one costume to rule them all.
43:41
Who's your favorite baby daddy? Which baby?
43:43
Daddy's the real baby daddy? Yeah, I feel like there is
43:47
something else, but all I have in my notes is baby daddy.
43:53
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that covers it.
43:55
Yeah. That's the true question of this
43:57
film is who's the baby daddy? Which kind of goes out the
44:00
window at the end, But you know, you speculate.
44:04
Yeah, they all just say who cares?
44:05
I'm like, well, I kind of care, but whatever.
44:08
You can also e-mail us at theartofcostume@gmail.com and we
44:11
could read your answers that way on the podcast.
44:15
Yes, now continuing. I am very excited for next week.
44:21
Did not have too much to do with this particular episode, but was
44:27
so excited to listen. To your interview with Poker
44:32
Face costume designer Tracy Gigi Field.
44:36
Spencer. So exciting.
44:38
That poker face has been one of my favorite shows this year, so
44:42
it was just like so, so much fun to listen to your conversation.
44:47
I'm glad it's such a such a great show.
44:50
I loved it so much. I've rewatched it multiple times
44:54
and I yeah, I'm lucky I was able to interview Tracy.
44:59
And then I was able to interview her again in public at the
45:03
Beverly Center, too. So I'm excited to share with you
45:05
all. Just little pieces from our
45:08
conversation. You're going to fall in love
45:10
with her. Like, I have such a great show,
45:13
full of so many great costumes. Of course, Natasha Lyonne is
45:16
such a baddie in it, and there's so many fun.
45:20
I love like an anthology series. I think it's kind of like my new
45:24
favorite thing, Cabinet curiosities.
45:26
Poker Face. But what I do love about Poker
45:36
Face that sets it apart from other anthology series is there
45:40
is you know that main character, you know we follow her
45:44
throughout the whole series, right.
45:27
I love just the different characters and stories that TV
45:31
shows could incorporate now. So like I love that added
45:48
element to like this one person who's connected to all these
45:52
other. Individual stories.
45:55
And what's most important is all the episodes are good, which you
45:58
can't say the same about every anthology series.
46:01
So. Yes, yes, that is actually a
46:05
very nice part of focus. Yes, I hope you all listen.
46:10
We have a great schedule coming up.
46:12
We have two great episodes coming up for September and then
46:16
Elizabeth and I are going to announce our Spooky season
46:20
lineup. We're not going to share just
46:21
yet, but it is. Impact I think our best ever, I
46:25
think. We are interrupting our regular
46:29
scheduling of every other week, and we'll be posting an episode
46:34
every week of October. We're just leaving, leaving it
46:39
all on the dance floor or whatever the saying.
46:44
I think that's what. We're leaving it all on the
46:47
dance floor. Yes, we are, Spencer.
46:50
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Spencer. I'll see you next week.
47:24
I will see you next week. I'm going to go listen to Mama
47:28
Mia now. So.
47:29
Yes, me too. That sounds like a great idea.
47:33
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48:34
Can you hear the car outside blasting music?
48:38
They're like bumping, bumping. Really.
48:41
If I look out on the street, they might be break dancing in
48:43
the street. That's how loud it is.
48:45
Yell at them. Tell them you're recording a
48:47
podcast. Hey.
48:50
I'm trying to record. Mamma Mia, damn it.
48:57
Anyways, anyway.