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Killer Thriller: The True Story That Made Jennie Garth Fear for Her Own Daughters · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. Hey, everyone,
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. Today, we're
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  Speaker 2: continuing our conversation with actress Jenny Garth, shifting to another
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  Speaker 2: remarkable true crime story, Left for Dead, the Ashley Reeves Story.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about survival.
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  Speaker 2: Victim blaming, resilience, and what it was like for Jenny
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  Speaker 2: to portray the mother of a teenage girl whose life
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  Speaker 2: was changed forever by an unthinkable act of violence. So,
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  Speaker 2: nearly three decades after Lies of the Heart, you returned
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  Speaker 2: to true crime with Left for Dead the Ashley Reeves Story.
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  Speaker 2: Ashley's story is almost impossible to believe. Also, she was
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  Speaker 2: seventeen years old, attacked by a popular teacher in her
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  Speaker 2: small town that she had gotten involved with, and he
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  Speaker 2: left her foe dead in.
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  Speaker 3: The woods for thirty hours.
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  Speaker 2: So many great men in so many of these movies,
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  Speaker 2: like just stand up, gentlemen. Anyway, So you played Ashley's mom,
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  Speaker 2: and as a mother of three daughters, did that story
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  Speaker 2: did it make the story especially emotional for you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean that's the mom's greatest fear, that's my
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  Speaker 1: greatest fear that my children will be abducted or assaulted
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  Speaker 1: or worse. And it's something you never stop thinking of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, the minute your child's out of your sight,
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  Speaker 1: especially when their you know, Ashley's age, and they're you know, separating,
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  Speaker 1: becoming more autonomous in their life. It's so hard. You
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  Speaker 1: just have to like literally put that fear in a
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  Speaker 1: container in your mind and close the lid and just
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  Speaker 1: keep it there, because it does no good for you
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  Speaker 1: to live with that worry and then, you know, or
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  Speaker 1: to project that fear into them, right, I projected just
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  Speaker 1: enough fear in my daughter's I think, maybe maybe on
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  Speaker 1: the edge of too much, because yeah, there's crazy ass
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  Speaker 1: people out.
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  Speaker 3: There, Listen.
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  Speaker 2: I my daughter, Scarlet is newly fourteen, and that starts
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  Speaker 2: like a whole new world, and I feel as though
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  Speaker 2: I am constantly on the precipice of wanting to like
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  Speaker 2: never let.
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  Speaker 3: Her leave the house, which doesn't seem like a healthy
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  Speaker 3: way to go.
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  Speaker 1: Well to that, I say, good luck.
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  Speaker 3: I know the next few years are going to be something.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me if you need me, I will.
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  Speaker 2: But so, one of the most chilling facts about this
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  Speaker 2: case is that her attacker, Sam Shelton, he wasn't a stranger.
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  Speaker 3: He had been Ashley's teacher and coach and someone that
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  Speaker 3: she really looked up to. Like, the manipulation is so
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  Speaker 3: specific and so.
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  Speaker 2: Disturbing, and does that make these sorts of crimes scarier
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  Speaker 2: to you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think when the predator is a friend, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a quote unquote friend, especially being a teacher and a coach.
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  Speaker 1: I was just having a conversation with my niece who
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  Speaker 1: was an athlete, a swimmer, and she started to tell
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  Speaker 1: me about her connection that she had with her coach,
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  Speaker 1: and my brain instantly goes to, uhh, Like that is
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  Speaker 1: so messed up that I can't you know, my first
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  Speaker 1: thought is, oh, that could be dangerous, right, And I
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  Speaker 1: feel so badly for thinking that of her coach, who
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  Speaker 1: actually helped her immensely in her own life. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a shame that that connotation has been developed because of.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean Larry Nasser. There are like many, many many,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a huge one, but it is right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the balance between having that awareness, not becoming numb
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  Speaker 2: to it, and not going you know, too far overboard.
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  Speaker 3: I there's no answer to that question, but I worry
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I always said to my girls, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to have eyes in the back of your head.
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  Speaker 1: You need to really be aware of your surroundings at
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  Speaker 1: all times and read the people, read the people that
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  Speaker 1: you're talking.
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  Speaker 2: To, right right, That's a really important thing skill to
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  Speaker 2: be able to develops.
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody can do it, like I mean, they're naive.
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  Speaker 1: They think the best of people. Of course they want
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  Speaker 1: they think everybody's like them, you know, yes, yes, that's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And when someone is flat flatters you and makes you
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  Speaker 2: feel special.
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  Speaker 3: You know how he kept saying to her and to
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  Speaker 3: other victims of his you're special.
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  Speaker 2: You know you're different. That's who doesn't want to hear that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear that right now. And I'm fifty five.
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  Speaker 1: You want me to groom you a little bit? Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: you are special? But I really actually mean it. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, you're special.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: I really am.
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  Speaker 2: I am so he Okay, we're going to get into
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  Speaker 2: the unfortunate.
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  Speaker 3: Actual details of what happened here.
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  Speaker 2: So she became involved with this gentleman, and then it
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  Speaker 2: is unclear whether she gets in the car with him,
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  Speaker 2: and that at some point he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: He tells her to get out of the car.
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  Speaker 2: She won't get out of the car because they're in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. He he kicks her out of
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  Speaker 2: the car, drags her out of the car, accidentally quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote strangles her, and then worries that he strangled her,
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  Speaker 2: so drags her further into the woods and really strangles her,
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  Speaker 2: puts a belt around her neck, steps on the belt,
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  Speaker 2: and kills her, or thinks he does, and leaves her there,
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  Speaker 2: then gets back in his car, goes home, and he
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  Speaker 2: goes line dancing.
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  Speaker 1: He's a monster, yeah, who deserves to pay for what
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  Speaker 1: he did, and that means being in jail. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know the status of the guy? The Benjamin sam.
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  Speaker 2: So Sam Shelton was released on parole after serving seventeen years,
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  Speaker 2: which seems I don't know outreach.
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  Speaker 1: It does like that doesn't feel like enough time to no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I mean, I would hate to
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  Speaker 1: be the person that's sentencing people and deciding how much
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  Speaker 1: time is the right time right right? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that process, but it does feel short.
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  Speaker 2: They really one of the things in the film that
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  Speaker 2: they cover so well and you do so well, is
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  Speaker 2: really that the uncertainty and the pain that the parent
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  Speaker 2: goes through and from that first thirty hours, So she
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  Speaker 2: was missing for thirty hours, which that in and of
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  Speaker 2: itself is the worst nightmare for mom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even want to think about it. But
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  Speaker 1: for her mom, man, it was you know, playing that
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  Speaker 1: character was it was so easy for me to slip
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  Speaker 1: into that her mind. Sure, sure, and so it was
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  Speaker 1: actually hard to slip out of her mind. When the
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  Speaker 1: day was done, I go back to my real world
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  Speaker 1: where I have children the same age ish, not yet quite,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it was tricky, It was hard. I think
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  Speaker 1: this was harder, harder role to play than the Lori
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  Speaker 1: Kellogg one because I knew more, you know, yes, yes, right,
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  Speaker 1: mm hmm. And uh it's great supporting cast too on
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  Speaker 1: that movie. But I just think, like, how's a girl
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  Speaker 1: supposed to know that they're being groomed or talked in
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  Speaker 1: that way?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And they how they know? Oh wait, you're not. Actually
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  Speaker 1: your motives are bad? Like how do you know?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: That is so and it's just so depressing to think
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  Speaker 4: that that's how young women have to go through growing up,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Like it's just heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me angry that young girls women have ever
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  Speaker 1: been treated poorly like that, like what the actual because.
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  Speaker 2: It's so wrong, it's so wrong, it's so wrong. So
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  Speaker 2: she was a seventeen year old girl, and yet some
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  Speaker 2: people focused on her choices instead of the actions that
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  Speaker 2: this twenty six year old teacher took who attacked her.
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  Speaker 2: So why do I think that victim blaming remains such
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  Speaker 2: a powerful force in cases like this?
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  Speaker 1: Well, if the if the person that's victim blaming has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the care the person, the human,
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  Speaker 1: the good person or the bad person, Like why why
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  Speaker 1: do you voice your opinion? What right do you have
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  Speaker 1: to get involved?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And then the people that you know, I can certainly understand,
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  Speaker 1: like his family or his friends, or people that refuse
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  Speaker 1: to believe it, would didn't want to believe it because
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  Speaker 1: they loved him. I can understand how victim blaming comes
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  Speaker 1: into play from their perspective. You know, you just don't
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  Speaker 1: think that your son, this nice, handsome son of yours
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  Speaker 1: that you've raised and you've seen him cry, and you
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  Speaker 1: know you know him, you think you know him, you
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  Speaker 1: think you know. You don't really know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: inside anyone's head. So it's just so tricky because like
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  Speaker 1: if you think like if you put yourself in the
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  Speaker 1: mother of Sam's, if you put her yourself in her shoes,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to stand by your son most likely.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so that's always a question. I just like,
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  Speaker 2: how what would I mean? I suppose it's impossible, but
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  Speaker 2: I would like to think if I mean, I can't say,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, but how?
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  Speaker 3: But would you stand by them?
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  Speaker 2: Like that's the question if you drag someone like I can't.
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  Speaker 3: There are so many steps to this that are so severe.
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  Speaker 2: How like like Scott Peterson's family sticking by him, They
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  Speaker 2: still stick by him today. One of his sister in
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  Speaker 2: law became an attorney to try to understand and fight
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  Speaker 2: his case. You know, it's it's it's wild.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, bloodlines are thick, that's what they say. Well
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  Speaker 1: it's yeaher than the water. But aah, I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: I can put myself in the family's shoes, I would
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  Speaker 1: always have that in the back of my mind, like
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  Speaker 1: is he lying to my face? Did he really do this?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: You will never know. So because you will never know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to pick a side. I guess yeah, or
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  Speaker 1: because it's I mean, you can't. What do you how
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  Speaker 1: do you stay neutral? How do you help anybody by
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  Speaker 1: staying neutral, right right, right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's an impossible question to answer, and
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  Speaker 2: I hope I am never in the situation where I
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  Speaker 2: have to on either side. But so one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that really stayed with me about this as well
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  Speaker 2: is that you know, it's not only Ashley who's carrying
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  Speaker 2: I mean this this girl was. I mean, she had
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  Speaker 2: to relearn how to do everything. The injuries that she
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  Speaker 2: had were so extreme physical and mental. Sh had learned
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  Speaker 2: how to speak again, how to learn how to write,
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  Speaker 2: how to move her hands in any way, like, It's
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  Speaker 2: very extensive. And her mom, Michelle, also spent years like
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  Speaker 2: wondering if she could have prevented this somehow, And I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's just heartbreaking for parents.
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  Speaker 1: It's like that inner turmoil that as a mom, if
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  Speaker 1: something bad happens to your kid, you're always going to
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  Speaker 1: blame yourself. I think, like, what could I could I
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  Speaker 1: have parented them differently, or prepared them better, or taught
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  Speaker 1: them how this could happen?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I guess you have to, I mean, at some
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  Speaker 1: point heal enough to again put that in a box, right,
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  Speaker 1: honor it, but don't let it like lead you for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Did any any of the scenes in particular stay
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  Speaker 2: with you after you were done.
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  Speaker 1: Filming the scene where they come into the hospital. There
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  Speaker 1: was like a hallway scene. Oh, that that was really
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  Speaker 1: a difficult, like emotionally speaking scene.
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  Speaker 2: Right when you're in the hallway and the I think
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  Speaker 2: a policeman comes up and she's in the gurney maybe right,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't know really what's happening, but you know
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  Speaker 2: she's not well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that just putting yourself in those shoes,
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  Speaker 1: catastrophic despair, you know. So yeah, I mean that was
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  Speaker 1: a scene also just seeing as the mom who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: see this happened to her daughter who only can imagine it.
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  Speaker 1: Then still as the me, the human playing the mom,
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  Speaker 1: it's seeing it happen, seeing her laying in the dirt,
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  Speaker 1: seeing her being assaulted. That is so hard to watch
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  Speaker 1: the image of, you know, seeing something I didn't ever
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  Speaker 1: see before, right, right, hard to hard to not remember.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, didn't making did the whole story change the way.
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  Speaker 3: You look at survival?
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  Speaker 1: I mean in the respect that she recovered, Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: imagine having to come back from that. She was a
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  Speaker 1: true survivor because she was so strong and had made
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  Speaker 1: a will to live and to flourish and have a life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it just makes me more fearful, honestly fearful of strangers,
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  Speaker 1: not even strangers, but like people's intentions.
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  Speaker 3: It makes me so angry.
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I think as a human like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: much more like with everybody that I meet, I'm like great.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you meet somebody and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this person's good, we see you know, we see eyed.
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  Speaker 1: I trust this person almost immediately, I can tell, right.
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  Speaker 1: But there's some people that you just keep them at
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  Speaker 1: arms lengths long enough to really suss them out. You
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  Speaker 1: got to give them some time to show their colors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, after making this film, did it change any of
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  Speaker 2: the conversations that you had with your own daughters about trust, relationships,
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  Speaker 2: personal safety.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think just making them letting, you know, talking
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  Speaker 1: to them about the storyline, what happened to this girl,
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  Speaker 1: this woman, young woman, It was enough for their eyes
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  Speaker 1: to be open to this is a real story. This
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  Speaker 1: isn't just a script, right, And we had conversations around that,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't want to put even more fear in them,
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  Speaker 1: because you want there's a bounds. You want them to
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  Speaker 1: trust people, and you do want them to look at
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  Speaker 1: other humans as if we're the same and we're all
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  Speaker 1: struggling with the same things and we all have love
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  Speaker 1: in our hearts. But you know this is not the case. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: it's such.
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  Speaker 3: A hard thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't teach. I've just always really focused on
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  Speaker 1: my girls having like an internal awareness and also being trusting.
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  Speaker 1: But people have to earn their trust.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's a great right. Like, how do you even
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  Speaker 2: teach that? Well, first of all, how do you get
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  Speaker 2: them to listen to you when they're fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: And not like their eyes? And let her watch this movie.
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  Speaker 3: I'll let her watch this movie and then we'll have
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  Speaker 3: another conversation.
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  Speaker 2: So Ashley was, as we said, just seventeen years old
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  Speaker 2: when she was attacked, and Laurie Kellogg was only sixteen
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  Speaker 2: when she first got involved with a much older man.
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  Speaker 2: So looking back now, do you ever think about, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how young they both were and how that just immeasurably
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  Speaker 2: changed their lives instantly at such a young age.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Thank god we as humans have resilience, you
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  Speaker 1: know too. Yeah, it's terrible things and then work it
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  Speaker 1: out enough to go on to live a life that
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  Speaker 1: fulfills them. I think, you know, telling that story of
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  Speaker 1: a survivor, especially in Ashley's case, Telling the story of
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  Speaker 1: a survivor gives you hope, And it does teach you
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  Speaker 1: to be more careful out there and to be more
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  Speaker 1: aware of people's intentions. But it does give you hope
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  Speaker 1: at the end. I mean, she's gone on to have
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  Speaker 1: a family of her own and live a beautiful life.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, it's hard to imagine that, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I asked this of Elizabeth Smart when I had her
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  Speaker 1: on my podcast, like, how how do you sleep now
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  Speaker 1: as a mom next to your children's bedroom and ever
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  Speaker 1: sleep a wink? Like I would never be able to
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  Speaker 1: release the fear of what happened to me could happen
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  Speaker 1: to them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what does she say?
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  Speaker 1: She said she doesn't sleep. She said, I don't. I'm
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  Speaker 1: fearful all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: And that's words from a survivor's mouth, Like you are
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  Speaker 1: changed forever, how you think, how you deal with scary
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  Speaker 1: emotions and feelings of your like, it does. It changes you,
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  Speaker 1: but then you have to figure out how to live
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  Speaker 1: within that. You know, And She's a perfect example of
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  Speaker 1: someone who, like Ashley, went on to live a life
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  Speaker 1: even though these terrible things happen to them. So it
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  Speaker 1: gives you extraordinary like because you think, like when you
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  Speaker 1: think about it, like I could never survive that I
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  Speaker 1: would die, like it would be just so intense my
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  Speaker 1: feelings or whatever. But you can. You can get through things, tough,
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  Speaker 1: tough things.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that something that we sometimes forget or
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  Speaker 2: that gets lost, you know when when we do, thankfully
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  Speaker 2: hear that people get through something either you know, wrongfully
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  Speaker 2: accused and they get out of jail or a horribly
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  Speaker 2: abusive situation.
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  Speaker 3: And they move forward have a life that they don't.
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  Speaker 3: You don't leave it behind per.
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  Speaker 2: Se, like they don't just be because you've come to
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  Speaker 2: in the next place doesn't mean it didn't happen to you, Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a key thing, Like you can
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  Speaker 1: never do that, you can never get rid of it.
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  Speaker 1: It happened. It's going to live inside you. Ever, it's
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  Speaker 1: just a matter of like how do I live with
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  Speaker 1: this inside of me? Like how can I still flourish?
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  Speaker 1: But also just not turn you know, not try to
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  Speaker 1: pretend that it didn't happen. Because I don't think you'll
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  Speaker 1: ever heal if you're trying to pretend that something bad
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  Speaker 1: didn't ever ever happen, like you. Hear so many stories
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  Speaker 1: of a friend of mine like abused as a young
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  Speaker 1: little girl and in her late thirties, that's when it's
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  Speaker 1: coming up and it's wrecking her life because she never
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  Speaker 1: dealt with it, right. So I think that's more that's
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  Speaker 1: very common and people that have been victimized like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things that has come up many
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  Speaker 2: many times in doing this podcast is how I am
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  Speaker 2: so moved and impressed by people that have been so deeply.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt and abused.
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  Speaker 2: And gone through such tragic things when they decide to
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  Speaker 2: say I will keep going. And there is something that
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  Speaker 2: that is a part of the human condition and the
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  Speaker 2: human experience and being able to to not only overcome
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  Speaker 2: and move through, but to share that these things can
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  Speaker 2: happen and we can still have a full life with that.
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  Speaker 3: Like you don't. It doesn't go away and you can
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  Speaker 3: put it aside, but it is a part.
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  Speaker 1: Of your story, and I think that's it, the telling
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  Speaker 1: of your story, even if you don't want to. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure in Elizabeth's case, like I don't want to relive that,
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  Speaker 1: but she's out there actively speaking about what happened to
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  Speaker 1: her in order to help other people. Yes, And I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a heroism in that to a certain degree,
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  Speaker 1: because that can't be fun for her to relive those
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  Speaker 1: terrible memories. And it's just you know, you choose to
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  Speaker 1: do in your life what you're drawn to, like what
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  Speaker 1: you in your gut you know is right for you
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  Speaker 1: to be passionate about or purposeful, you know. And I
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  Speaker 1: think when something bad like that happens to you, you
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  Speaker 1: can remain the victim and stay in that place for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of your life, or you can choose two
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  Speaker 1: either let it go. That's not a magic wand or
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  Speaker 1: use it to propel you. You know. Yeah, but you
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  Speaker 1: can't pretend it didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Happen, right well, think right well, I agree with you
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent on that account. And both of these
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  Speaker 2: movies you did such beautiful work in and Q. I
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  Speaker 2: do feel like it's such a gift when we get
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  Speaker 2: to do something work wise in front of the camera
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  Speaker 2: that is has a bigger purpose and I both of
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  Speaker 2: these films certainly have that, So I think that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And you did a beautiful job, and thanks for chatting
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  Speaker 2: with me today, and do another one so then we
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: can have another.
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  Speaker 1: Chat like this. I'll look for another true crime stress
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  Speaker 1: out there, not only to do this podcast, but just
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  Speaker 1: to play a real character. So it's fun. Is there
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: something super challenging and fulfilling about it as an actress
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  Speaker 1: and also just purposeful because you want to tell their story? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope they see it. I hope that they are,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you know, just able to live beautiful lives now, hope,
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  Speaker 1: so hope. So yeah, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you're the best.
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  Speaker 2: I love seeing your face, even if it's just on
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the screen. So thank you, and I love chatting with you.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You're just the best.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I love you too.