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Patriots Catch-22 1/28: AFC Championship Takeaways, 3 Up/Down From Win, Super Bowl LX Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Blazarre and lazarn O. Everybody nailed it. Joined has always
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  Speaker 2: by power. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. What
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do with this game is find a
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  Speaker 2: path for Denver to win the game. But the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: turned the ball over four times, and yeah, Denver could
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  Speaker 2: win the game.
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  Speaker 1: But that that's the path even if it was Bonnix.
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  Speaker 1: I say this with no disrespect to bo Nicks. I
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  Speaker 1: says no disrespect to Jared hit him. But the reality
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  Speaker 1: of the situation is the Broncos have been and we're
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  Speaker 1: always going to be a team carried by their defense.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the way it's built, that's the way they
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  Speaker 1: want all here. I know bo Nicks has made some
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  Speaker 1: plays late in games because the defense is dominated. The
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  Speaker 1: Jared Stidham thing obviously makes it.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a.
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  Speaker 1: Factor, it's an impact, especially those gotta have it. I
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  Speaker 1: think the individual plays. The overall big picture of it, though,
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  Speaker 1: is the Broncos defense. The Patriot's not letting the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: defense dominate the game. I would be saying that if Bonix.
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  Speaker 2: Was starting, all right, well, the Patriots are going to
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  Speaker 2: the super Bowl, Barth, they are and so are we.
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  Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool. The Patriots are going to the
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl. It is pretty cool. All of it is
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool. And uh, you know, yesterday I'm unfiltered reopened
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  Speaker 2: Alex with just sitting there for ten minutes in disbelief
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  Speaker 2: basically that this is where we're at.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm still kind I still don't.
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  Speaker 2: Really it still hasn't really fully set in. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I think, you know, Sunday night, it certainly had
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  Speaker 2: not settled in at all as we were, you know,
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  Speaker 2: snowed in in Denver. What was us for the night.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's it's really remarkable what this team
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  Speaker 2: has done and where this team is headed. And they
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  Speaker 2: deserve all the flowers for that, all of the praise
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  Speaker 2: for that. This is truly in my time covering this team,
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  Speaker 2: covering the NFL, I really can't think of a better
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  Speaker 2: coaching job than what we've seen from Mike Rabel this season.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just the fact that they've won what's seventeen
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  Speaker 2: and three now at this point, it's also just the
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  Speaker 2: it kind of goes on your side of the street
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  Speaker 2: a little bit on that like leader of men type
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  Speaker 2: of thing, where like I just don't really can't really
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  Speaker 2: think of a guy that's galvanized the troops quite like
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  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel has. And then also, you know, the individual
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  Speaker 2: improvement of even some of the players that were here
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  Speaker 2: last year that have improved. Obviously Drake may being the
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  Speaker 2: biggest one, but I would say a lot of guys
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  Speaker 2: have improved from this year to la compared to last
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  Speaker 2: year that we're even here on this team. Last year,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that won four games. So Mike Rabel hell
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  Speaker 2: of a job. The Patriots defense hell of a job
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  Speaker 2: once again against a you know, a backup quarterback, but
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  Speaker 2: they dominated a backup quarterback, which is what you're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do, yes, and they thoroughly did. You know, early
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  Speaker 2: on in this game, Denver had some scripted plays that worked,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, obviously the bomb to Mims was one
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  Speaker 2: of those. But once that kind of ran out, it
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  Speaker 2: was which you.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of figured with Sean Payton, we talked about this, Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's one drive that they'll have and they'll get their punch,
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  Speaker 1: and they got their punch and after that nothing, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, you know, it was it was one
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  Speaker 2: of those types of games and here we are, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the other you know, kind of couple of
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  Speaker 2: big picture things that I wanted to get to, and
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  Speaker 2: then we have a little show announcement about next week,
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  Speaker 2: which is really excited about that. This to me, this
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  Speaker 2: playoff run for the Patriots is really They're here because
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  Speaker 2: of their defensive line. The Patriots defensive line has been
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  Speaker 2: absolutely dominant for three straight games, and I think when
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  Speaker 2: they were dominated against the Chargers, and they were dominant
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  Speaker 2: against the Texans, it was impressive, but it was also
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  Speaker 2: against two of the worst offensive lines in football. The
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  Speaker 2: Chargers have the worst offensive line in football with all
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  Speaker 2: their injuries. The Texans were not that far behind. And
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  Speaker 2: so the one question I had going into this game
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  Speaker 2: was the Patriots defensive line going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: dominate like they did in the first two playoff games
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  Speaker 2: against much better competition in the Denver Broncos, who some people,
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  Speaker 2: as Milton Williams told us after the game, thought was
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  Speaker 2: the best offensive line in the NFL. And the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: defensive line went out there and put an absolute world
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  Speaker 2: of hurt on that Broncos offensive line. Run game pass game.
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  Speaker 2: Flat out dominated that game for four quarters in the trenches.
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  Speaker 2: That to me, is the most optimistic thing about this
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl matchup is that now we can confidently say
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  Speaker 2: that their defensive line is going to travel right like
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  Speaker 2: their defensive line is going to play well. Is elite,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lead against good competition. It is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly elite against bad competition. You know, the Seahawks probably
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  Speaker 2: fall somewhere in the middle of that conversation. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they're above average, but I don't think they're elite on
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line by any means, and they I am
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  Speaker 2: confident that the Patriots defensive line is going to do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things to cause problems for Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 2: and the Seahawks. And we'll get to the Seahawks in
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  Speaker 2: the second hour of the show. All that said, all
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  Speaker 2: of the waxing poetics said about the defense, about Mike Rabel,
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots offense is in a rut. They're in a slump.
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  Speaker 2: They've only scored eighteen points a game through three playoff games.
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  Speaker 2: They are going to have to find a way to
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  Speaker 2: recapture what they had going on in the regular season
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  Speaker 2: and score some points, or they are not going to
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  Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl. You know, they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: beat Seattle if they play offense the way that they've
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  Speaker 2: been playing offense. There's climate issue, you know, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: like impacted, there's really good defensive play on the other
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  Speaker 2: side of the ball. Well, not changing all fair but offensively.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we have to point out that this has
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  Speaker 2: not been good enough on that side of the ball
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  Speaker 2: to win a championship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the weather's a part of it. The
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  Speaker 1: good defenses are part of it. I do think for
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  Speaker 1: what that game was, the offense took a step forward
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  Speaker 1: against Denver. Now that's relatively speaking. They were not in
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  Speaker 1: a good way against Houston, and they're still going to
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  Speaker 1: need to be even better than that, certainly better than
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  Speaker 1: that to move the ball and put up points against Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they do need to be better. You're right,
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  Speaker 1: But I think just like you talked about the off
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  Speaker 1: defensive line or with the defensive line, it all starts
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  Speaker 1: up front for me with the Patriots, like their issues
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  Speaker 1: all start with what the line's been and Drake made
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  Speaker 1: is complicit in some of this in terms of throwing
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  Speaker 1: the ball away, throwing the ball quicker and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: But to look at the game Campbell had against Nick Benito,
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  Speaker 1: to look at the game like Mike w and Winn
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  Speaker 1: who had Gar Bradbury had, it does feel like that
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  Speaker 1: group was better. And if there's more confidence in that group,
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  Speaker 1: I think everything builds from that. So I think the
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  Speaker 1: line needs to be better than it was against Denver.
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  Speaker 1: But I actually for what it was, and look, we're
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  Speaker 1: the guys that will sit down and break down the
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  Speaker 1: x's and o's to the the n degree, to the
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  Speaker 1: nitty gritty, teeny tiny whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 1: The second half of that game, the x's and o's
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  Speaker 1: are don't fall over and don't drop the ball. That's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much it.
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  Speaker 2: Save I would say, late into the third quarter, to
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  Speaker 2: the into the forest.
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  Speaker 1: To the final twenty twenty five minutes, the nine minute
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  Speaker 1: drive they had in the third quarter.
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  Speaker 2: The conditions were fine.
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  Speaker 1: And they were good, and they were good. But I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't good or bad. I kind of just
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  Speaker 1: the end of that game was just hang on and survive.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, right, I agreed.
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  Speaker 1: So for the beginning of the game, because people pointed to,
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  Speaker 1: how can you say they look better? Look at the
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  Speaker 1: numbers blah blah blah, like the I'm looking at the
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  Speaker 1: first thirty five to forty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't look better in per se, but they didn't
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  Speaker 2: turn the ball over.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line is better.
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  Speaker 2: The offensive line I mean maybe, I mean they didn't better.
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  Speaker 2: It still needs to be better against it. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: thought their pass protection has was okay. They didn't what
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't They couldn't run.
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  Speaker 1: Block from what Denver front is.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they would be able to run the ball better.
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  Speaker 1: I was expecting it to be overall. Maybe I'm focusing
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  Speaker 1: more on pass protection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was expecting them to be able to run
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  Speaker 2: the ball a little bit better. And to their credit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Mandre had two ten plus yard runs and
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  Speaker 2: carved out some tough yards, but their movement up front
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  Speaker 2: was you know, not good enough. Like their yards before
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  Speaker 2: contact number was well below a yard, which is not
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  Speaker 2: where you want to be. But that being said that
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't really what I wanted to unpack, you know,
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  Speaker 2: right off the top of the show. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: because we're going to get into all the nitty gritty
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  Speaker 2: obviously here in a second. But I just think that
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  Speaker 2: you have to objectively point out that the offense. As
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  Speaker 2: excited as we all are, you know, the offense is
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  Speaker 2: a problem right now. Yeah, they need to fix and
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  Speaker 2: I think that it's a combination of factors. I think that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whenever you talk about things in football, I
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  Speaker 2: would love to be able to sit here and say,
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  Speaker 2: it's this one thing that's an issue, and if they
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  Speaker 2: fix this one thing, then everything will come back around.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever like that in a game
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  Speaker 2: that's a true team sport. I don't think Drake May
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  Speaker 2: has played particularly well. Now. I know that there's all
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  Speaker 2: this rumor, all these reporting, whatever you want to call it,
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  Speaker 2: out there about his shoulder. Is he hurt? Is he not?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just telling you what the results
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  Speaker 2: are on the film not. I'm not going to sit
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  Speaker 2: here and speculate about his shoulder. And we'll have an
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  Speaker 2: injury report later here today that will tell us a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more. I'm sure about that situation. But he
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  Speaker 2: has not played well this game. It wasn't necessarily turnovers,
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  Speaker 2: which I guess you could say is a good thing,
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  Speaker 2: although he probably should have gotten picked off on the
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  Speaker 2: first pass attempt of the game and on the opening drive.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't necessarily turnovers. It was missing throws. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he had five or six opportunities to hit receivers down
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  Speaker 2: the field that he just flat out missed the throw,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that is not typical of him. Usually
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  Speaker 2: when I you know, watched the tape, it's like two
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  Speaker 2: to three of those a game. This was like five
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  Speaker 2: or six of those, you know. So that's a big,
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  Speaker 2: big number, which is why you know, you wonder about
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  Speaker 2: his health a little bit because that's not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: very common, especially the miss low yea and to be
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  Speaker 2: short on throws. So that's a big, big factor. Quarterback
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  Speaker 2: during the regular season was playing like an MVP. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: he's not playing at that level. And there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of factors that go into that. The weather, the defense
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  Speaker 2: is on the other side of the ball, but it
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  Speaker 2: is what it is. You know, the offensive line has
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  Speaker 2: its issues. There are times where pass protection is a problem,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes it comes up at times where there are
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  Speaker 2: opportunities to push the ball down the field but the
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  Speaker 2: protection hasn't hold it held up and so they missed
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  Speaker 2: those opportunities, which in a game like Sunday, there's only
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  Speaker 2: going to be two or three of those opportunities, and
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  Speaker 2: when you miss them because of issues, you know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of like the land mine offense, you just are kind
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  Speaker 2: of trying to avoid stepping on the land mine that
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  Speaker 2: that causes you to have issues like they had on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: The last one that I see with the film is
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  Speaker 2: kind of a combination of factors. Again with this receiving cores,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that they have produced as many open
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  Speaker 2: receivers as they have in the in the in the
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  Speaker 2: regular season.
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  Speaker 1: Like, guys weren't getting open as much in this game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to. Like, I think that the separation
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  Speaker 2: issue is kind of like a triggering subject, like when
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  Speaker 2: you say that people kind of lose their marbles a
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  Speaker 2: little bit that you're pointing out that out. Again, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a combination of factors. I think the biggest
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  Speaker 2: factor in that is that Stefan Diggs is continuing to
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  Speaker 2: just see extra attention, especially on third down. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they they're doubling him, they're bracketing him, they have help
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field that is being used
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  Speaker 2: to leverage his routes, and there's really no place for
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  Speaker 2: him to go some of the time. So when that
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  Speaker 2: happens that that's an issue, you know, and they have
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  Speaker 2: issues in my opinion, you know, on the outside with
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  Speaker 2: really creating great separation. So what ends up happening is
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  Speaker 2: you're just like throwing fifty to fifty balls to Keiseh
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  Speaker 2: on booty and hoping that he beats Patrick Surtan over
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  Speaker 2: the top of the defense because that's really the only
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  Speaker 2: place to go with the ball, you know, based off
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  Speaker 2: of the way that they're playing coverage. So that all
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  Speaker 2: of that is a factor into all of this with
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  Speaker 2: the offense, and it's not one thing, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: would probably say if I had to like divvy up
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  Speaker 2: a blame pie. And I know it's silly to say
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  Speaker 2: blame pie when they won the game and they're going
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  Speaker 2: to the super Bowl, but divvying up the blame pie
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  Speaker 2: here on offense, I do think Drake may is probably
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  Speaker 2: the biggest slice because he's the quarterback. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and even though I don't think there was a three
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  Speaker 2: hundred yard passing game there on film, there was certainly
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  Speaker 2: a better game than ten for twenty one for what
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  Speaker 2: was at eighty six yards or whatever it ended up being.
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  Speaker 2: That was a little bit on him. So that's where
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  Speaker 2: I'm at with the offense. We're gonna do the good,
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  Speaker 2: the bad, the stuff that gets you beat from the
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  Speaker 2: AFC Championship Game. There's more good, I promise. I know
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  Speaker 2: he started a little bit negative there, but I promise
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  Speaker 2: that I have plenty of good things to highlight from
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  Speaker 2: this game as well. We are going to talk a
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  Speaker 2: little Seahawks probably in the second half of the show,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk a little bit just like some initial thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: You know, We're to have way more next week in
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: San fran or Santa Clara or Bay Area, whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it. But we'll have a little bit
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: of that. And we got to get to to Bill
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  Speaker 2: Belichick in the Hall of Fame, and I think both
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: of us have some strong opinions on that whole topic,
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  Speaker 2: so we will. We'll definitely get to that as well
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  Speaker 2: here today in the second hour of the show. But
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  Speaker 2: let's start with the good and the bad, the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that gets to be from the ABC Championship game. I
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  Speaker 2: want to start with the goods, obviously, because there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it on the defensive side of the ball
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  Speaker 2: that we kind of just glossed over. My bad. Oh wait,
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  Speaker 2: before we start show announcement. YEA, let's do this first.
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  Speaker 2: I want to do this off the top show announcement.
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  Speaker 2: So next week Catchway two will be live from Radio
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Row in San Francisco, downtown San Francisco, same setup that
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: we'll have for PU during the week, so we'll be
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: in the same spot. It's going to be from seven
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to nine pm Eastern four to six Pacific. Alex and
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  Speaker 2: I both have a lot going on during the day,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: as you guys can probably imagine in San Francisco, so
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do it at the end of the day
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: once all the media availability and your Sports Hub obligations
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: and PU and all that stuff is over. H So again,
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  Speaker 2: that's seven to nine pm Eastern time in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Next week, same day, Wednesday, same day and four to
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  Speaker 2: six specific We'll obviously have you know, we'll post on
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: X and all that good stuff and keep you guys
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  Speaker 2: informed on that. But yeah, I'm really excited to do that.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I've never done a show from Radio Row, so it's
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like officially, you know, we did, like with
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  Speaker 2: Clinton as we kind of did a show from radio
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  Speaker 2: and well you yeah, I know you did. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying I have never done. I've never Also, have you
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  Speaker 2: ever hosted a show on radio row podcast? Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't count.
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  Speaker 1: This is a podcast. What you mean that doesn't doesn't count? No,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't think it counts, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So it would be cool. Uh, let's get into the game.
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  Speaker 2: So the first point, and I I can't help myself.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna kind of victory lap here, not
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: victory lap. But like, you know how I feel about
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Cham Payton. I'm not a fan, all right, and I
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: thought that his I understood his bravado and his cockiness
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: going into this game to try to hype up his
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: team with his bat, his backup quarterback and all that.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. But I actually thought in this game
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: from an ex's and no standpoint, I thought Zach Corr
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  Speaker 2: kind of owned him, honestly, and I loved it, Like
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  Speaker 2: I was like, good like this guy. Sean Payton revered
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  Speaker 2: as one of the best play callers, one of the
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  Speaker 2: best offensive minds of his generation, and Zach Korr time
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  Speaker 2: and time again in like big spots, you know, critical downs. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the fourth and one play is the one that gets
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  Speaker 2: most of the attention. The Patriots ran It's called red two.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, a red zone goal line coverage on
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the play, and Sean Payton admitted after the game that
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: he was not prepared for them to run that coverage,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: to run that defensive scheme. I also thought on you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the third and four strip sack that ended up really
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: being the game with Jared Sidham setting up the Patriots
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: lone touchdown. They played man, they blitzed off the edge,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: they overloaded the right side. The Patriots had two unblocked
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: rushers on the play, and Jared Sidham had no outlet,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Like there was no hot there was no check down.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: There was nothing he could have done besides throw the
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: ball away, which is what he should have done, but
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: he didn't. So in both those instances, which I think
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: were really the game, you know, the fourth and one
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: play and third and four that ends up in a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: strip sack that sets the Patriots up at their the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Broncos twelve yard line, Zach Korr won both downs. Like
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: they ran a scheme that Sean Payton did not have
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: an answer for, and they won both downs in that instance.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And if Zach Korp, you know, take a bout, I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: mean that's impressive against the guy that's done it as
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: long as Sean Payton has. I do love escapegoated his
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, like, dude, you call the plays like like
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: come on, like what are we doing? You run the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: off it's your offense. You call the plays, you have
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the place, and then you go ahead and you fire
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: the wide receivers coach in the offensive coordinator like it's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: their fault, like please, And so you know, it's unbelievable
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to watch this ascension for Zach Korr, who has just
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: gone from a guy that was kind of thrust into
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: this role early on in the season to now being
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: winning a play calling battle against Sean Payton in the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: AFC Championship game like that, that's pretty cool.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I would just point out, by the way you mentioned
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton, maybe you know, not the best play calling.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: To go back to a debate, we've had offensive mines
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: versus defensive minds Championship weekend. Who won.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I think that I saw and
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I haven't fact checked this myself, but there's two defensive
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: coaches in the Super Bowl. I think that this is
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: going to be the first time since Belichick in eighteen
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that a defensive minded head coach is going to win
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl because obviously Andy Reid's done it a bunch.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Nick Siriani is considered an offensive guy. Sean McVay is
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: an offensive guy. So I think that this is now granted,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: like half of them are Andy Reid.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: But this is excuse a little bit.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I'll give you this. Uh, there has not been a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: main defensive head coach in the Super Bowl since Patriots
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Rams because his Chiefs Niners, Bucks, Chiefs Rams, Bengals, Chiefs Eagles,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Chiefs Niners, Chiefs Eagles.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, so it's a little bit of a different,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: different thing here.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: No, Zach Korr has been outstanding in these playoffs. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: don't know that anybody has. I don't want to say
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: punched above their weight, but like exceeded expectations more. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't think Zach cor did you know, bad job
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: during the regular season, but this he's taken this to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: another level. And the way he seems to have his
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of when to send the blitz,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: where to send the blitz, ou to blitz things like that,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's been a real The blitz has been a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: real weapon the Patriots. So Zach Korr. He wasn't the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: full time DC this year and it's late in the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: process and blah blah blah. I don't know that he's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: going to get I mean, the coaching opening is almost full,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: so I don't know that he's going to get any
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: calls on that this year. Doesn't he kind of have
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to go into next year as one of the hotter names,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Like if especially if he's a good Super Bowl, he's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: been unbelievable. It's it should be more of a story
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: than it is. And hopefully when we get out Santa
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Claire next week and you know, people start doing the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: stories and all that, there's gonna be a ton on
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Zach Krer because he's we were saying his name wrong
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: for the first like month.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: That he was doing this and the pronunciations and now
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: on Patriots Dot it is core like cors.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Light, Okay, core core is and he's been a core
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: member of why they're here. Yeah, So to go from
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that to this is outstanding. He deserves a ton of credit.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it deserves a ton of credit. And you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want to speculate about Terrell Williams' situation, Like
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen with that going
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: into next season.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: They'll they'll figure that out.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody, you know, unfortunately, if Terrell
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Williams is not up for coaching, I don't think anybody
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: would be opposed at all to Zach Korr.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Being the defensive courdet the're in if it's out.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's done a fantastic job and deserves all
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the credit in the world. You know, it's one thing
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to do it, I would say, you know, I would
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: also mention, you know, was Zach Korr. He's gotten two
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinators fired, Greig Roman and Joe Lombardi both got
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: shown the door after facing this Patriots defense in these playoffs,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So you know, look, kudos to him, and you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: not to get ahead of ourselves, but klink Kubiak's the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: real deal. So he's going to have another tough test
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: with Seattle in the super Bowl, but so far just
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: passing every test with flying Colors. You mentioned the blitzing.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: They are at about a forty percent blitz rate in
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Yeah, some of that is just kind of
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: like adding on the linebacker as like the fifth rusher.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: A lot of Christianellis blitzer and things like that. So
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: it's not all these like cooked up, like crazy schemes.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Some of it's just let's get five into the pass
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: rush so that they can be five on five across
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the board and get those one on one matchups. But still,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it's it's been very noticeable how much more they've blitzed
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and how effective some of their blitzes have been since
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know, they the playoffs. Really you know, man coverage blitzes.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: That's kind of been the story of the playoffs so
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: far for the Patriots defense is turning the dial up
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: on both of those things has really flipped this script here.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: So I mentioned the defensive line, you know, just a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: couple of other notes on that. You know, I really
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: just thought across the board, they just keep getting contributions.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You know, Milton Williams and Kylevon chase On and Christian
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Barmore are clearly the s tier players on that line.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have some great conversations. I don't
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: know if today's the day about Kleon chase On and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: what you do with him. He's a free agent. I'm
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: getting to the point and I know he's gonna get
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the Milton Williams treatment of you had a great playoff,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: so you're probably gonna get the bag right and free agent. See.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: But I think it might be worth it in some
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: ways for this Patriots team because they're gonna end up
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: creating two holes on the edge if they let Kylevon
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Chase on walk because I don't know what you're gonna
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: get out of Harold Landry.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big unknown.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And so when you have you're basically going to be
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: down to starting edge rushers if Kylevon Chased On walks.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: So I think that there's a chance that they do
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: try to re sign.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, franchise tag candidate, he could.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: He could be, or at least, you know, maybe like
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a transition tag or like some sort of team control
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: on it. But you know, bar Moore, Williams Chase on
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Ponder even beat Garrett Bowles.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: A couple of game.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: He should have a bigger role next year. Maybe it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: not replacing kale On Chase on, but he should have
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a bigger role.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that he's you know, he's primed to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: be the third or fourth rusher, you know, situational pass rusher. Uh,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Cairos Tanga a big tackle for loss that before the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: blocked field goal that pushed them back a little bit. Uh,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: just like continues to do the journey work court dirt rules.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just in terms of the kind of out not
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: just that he's like a good player and what a
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: fine by them. Yeah, in terms of the kind of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: player that he is. Just mean, nasty, violent, talks a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: lot of trash like he Every every defense needs a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: couple of those guys like tone setter. And I've had
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a ton of fun, a ton of fun watching him.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Extremely strong, like you bought him one on one. He's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: moving that that block, he's reset in the line of scrimmager.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: He's pushing that player back into the quarterback. You know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings had another solid game on Sunday. You know
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the numbers PFF.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Fact, you know, I don't know that you got one more.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Who did they miss?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Leonard Taylor?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he bought the field goal. We'll get to that, okay. Yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: The the PFF numbers were friendly, really friendly. They had
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: it with over a fifty percent pressure eight in this game.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They had Milton Williams with eight pressures. Saw that it
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: was a little much why catching it back. Personally, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I think that it was very good. I don't know
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: if it was fifty one percent pressure rate with you
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: know Milton with eight, I don't know about that, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it was really good. I you know, next Gen had
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: it at thirty five point one percent pressure rate. So
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: if you want to split the baby and say it
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: was somewhere around forty, you know, it's still really good.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But I thought the other thing that was really key
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: in this game, other than just the pressure on Stidham,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was you know, their ability to stop the run game.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And I thought they would be able to stop the run.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I wasn't too worried about the Broncos running the ball,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: but holding them to just over three yards per carry on,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you know, running back runs, not Stidham scrambles or Stidham
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: keeps a forest. Jared Sidham to drop back thirty seven
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: times in this game, with the second half being played
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: in the Blizzard like, I don't think that was the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: plan for Denver. That was not their path. Their path
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was not a thirty seven drop back game for Jared Stidham.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Their path was not to be in a lot of
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: third downs where the Patriots you know, pass rush Katie
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: off and they could get into their blitz package. That
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: was not a recipe for success for the Broncos. So
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: being able to stop the run, taking away some of
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: their balance, enforcing this game into Jared Sidham's hands is
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: why we're talking about going to the Super Bowl. That
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: was That was the game. The last couple of things
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: on defense, and we'll get to some of the other
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: some of the highlights on offense. I thought there were
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: some good things. Craig Woodson. I just keep on banging
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the drum for Craig Woodson deserves a lot more love.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I want to give him that love. I mean, played
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: more defensive snaps than any Patriots player on defense this
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: season as a fourth round rookie and has played extremely well.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: If you go watch that fourth and one play again,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it's him in the flat that takes away the running
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: back in the flat. It's a fast the flat play
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: where they're going to boot the quarterback out, They're going
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to run the running back in the flat and they
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: run a little pick route, you know, little joy and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Humphy's trying to pick the man that's on R. J.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Harvey in the flat and Craig Woodson sees the pick
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and falls off little Jordan Humphrey and sit days in
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the flat. Like if he gets picked off on that play,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: even with Milton Williams is pressure, then the play is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: still going to have a chance to pick up a yard.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: So Craig Woodson switches off there, makes a great play
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to do that and basically saves the play as well.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Like I think he deserves as much credit as Milton
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Williams does on the play forgetting that stop. Also had
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to run stuff, took away a deep shot before halftime.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just been terrific for a guy that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: is a fourth round rookie to be playing as much
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: as he is and to have the playoff run that
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: he's had. They got a real player here with Craig Woodson.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I think this is a trending towards being a real
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: hit for this personnel staff in the fourth round, which
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: is not easy to do.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. He's been He's been excellent.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: So a couple more things defensively, Like I said, I thought,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you know, man coverage why I thought the corners were
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: really really good. Now, the Broncos were short handed at receiver,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: which definitely helped, but against manton Man in this game,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Jared Sidham six to fifteen for just thirty six yards
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: with an interception. So when they went to manton Man
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and we'll get to some of the zone stuff, which
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I thought was a little shaky later, but when they
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: got when they were in manton Man, they were really good.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I mean they were. It looked like they were basically
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: unfazed by whether it was Sutton Mims, whoever was out there.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: It really just kind of looked like a walk in
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the park for Christian Zales and Carlon Davis and Marcus Jones,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: like they really looked unfazed by any of those guys,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: especially once Gonza was like all right, Mims, like you
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: got you got by me once, you know, I'm not
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: gonna let that happen again. This was pretty dominant from
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that point onto the game.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you mentioned, it was against a lesser group,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: but kind of like you said, with the you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the defense as the hole against the backup quarterback, this
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: is what you want to see. They made them look
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like back it's gonna be a lot a lot tougher.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Next week in San Francis, US go against these Seattle receivers.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: But I felt throughout the playoffs the and maybe this
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is because they're playing more man And we talked about
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: this all season. Why are they playing so much zone
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: when they have the man personnel. The part of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: reason I think the pass rush has been better is
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: they have more time. Yeah, because these corners have really
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: been locked down and they're giving the pass rush more
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: time to get to the quarterback. It allows you more
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: freedom to blitz as well because you trust these guys
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: in one on one coverage. Again, whole other level when
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: we get to JSN Rashichi Eat and Cooper Cup. But
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: so far that the secondary has really been locked down
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs and it's opened things up for Zach
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Korr and the defensive front.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's definitely your point about feeling good
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: about blitzing because you know those guys can hold up.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Is definitely part of it, a huge part of it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And then I think then it starts to marry it
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: start it, Yeah, and then it starts to marry you
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: know where like the blitzers are getting home, which are
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: causing throws to be a little off or a little early.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: He threw one to Courtland Sutton that Courtland Sutton kind
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: of got a little bit of separation at the top
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of the round on the one behind. Yeah, but it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: behind and it's low because Christnellis is right in his face,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you know, on the blitz. There was another one later
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: on where a little Jordan Humphrey didn't even turn around
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: yet and the ball is whizzing by his head because
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: again the blitz gets home and it's early, you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: he has to throw it early before court, before little
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Jordan Humphrey is ready, you know, to catch the football.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: So it all kind of marries up at that point
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: where the initial stages of the route, these corners are
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: shutting guys down to give the pass rush that time
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to get home, and the pass rush is getting home,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: which is then affecting the throw right, And that's what
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you want to see. That that's the good marriage that
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you want to see. So let's move over to the offense,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: because I do think there was a few good things
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: on offense that we're promising. You know, I kind of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: split Drake made the passer and Drake made the runner.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: He was really good with his legs in this game,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: really kind of kept the offensive float on a day
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: where the offense struggled, you know, six or ten for
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: sixty five with the touchdown obviously, twenty eight yard scramble,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: sixteen yard scrambled, thirteen yard scramble, a quarterback draw touchdown
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: which was a really nice call by Josh McDaniels, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: of course the boot to end it. It was a
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: big part of the reason why some of the advanced
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: metrics in this game. Alex didn't absolutely hate Drake May's performance,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you know, because he was able to impact the game
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: with his legs. Specifically, I thought the twenty eight yard
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: scramble was a really good run to get out and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: then he makes the safety miss and get an extra
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: ten to fifteen yards there in the open field. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of course the naked at the end is just you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that's going to go down in Patriot's history, especially if
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: they finish this off. So Drake made the runner really good,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna have some opportunities against Seattle
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: because they tend to be aggressive with all those stunting
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and the four man rushes that they run. They tend
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: to be aggressive with their way the way that they
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: pass rush. And when you play a guy like Matthew Stafford,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you can be aggressive because he can't move so right now,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: hopefully Drake May is going to be able to get
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: out of the pocket and make some plays with his legs.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: But I thought that Drake May at least made some
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: plays with his legs to give them some semblance of
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: offense in this game.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the value in it. You know. Again,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I'm somebody who just said I'd rather him run less
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: than more and just you know, keep him healthy and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: things like that. But it's a great card to have
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: when you need it, and especially as the conditions deteriorated. Yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they win the game without his legs,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: so it was great to see him do that. Hopefully
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he could be more of a difference maker as a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: thrower against Seattle, but just that threat, just having shown it,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it's now something they have to respect and it's going
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to make them play defense differently.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Last one on offense, and then we'll get to your boy,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Lenny T. I just thought again, even though this was
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: not a great box score game for him, ramondre Stevenson,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I thought was nails in this game, you know, just really,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll talk about the blitz pick up here
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: in a sect. Some of the blitz pickups he had
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: in this game were just phenomenal. But even some of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the dirty yards that he gained in the run game
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: when Denver really was not moving very much, he just
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: kind of carved out some eleven twelve yard runs, some
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: five yard runs that probably should have been you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: no gain or one yard, and he's just fine increases
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and you know, hitting the hole and pushing piles and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: things like that. There's some really tough dirty running in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: this game from rmondre Stevenson and then the blitz pick ups.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: The blitz pick up. If you guys haven't seen this,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: go back and watch ramondre Stevenson on the flee flicker.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: That is one of the best blocks I've seen all year.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You know, he pitches the ball back to Drake May,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Alex Singleton blitzes right through the gap. He pitches the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: ball back to Drake May, turns around, absorbs the contact
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: from Alex Singleton and saves the play. Like Drake May
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: probably should have been on his butt if it wasn't
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: for ramondre Stevenson and standing up Alex Singleton. There I wanted,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like I said, one of the best blocks I've seen
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: all year on tape from a running back, especially given
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the fact that he had to you know, plea flicker
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: it back to Drake May. It wasn't like his eyes
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: were upfield the whole time. And he turns back around
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and just you know, sits down and anchors and absorbs
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the contact. He also on the twenty eight yard scramble,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: which was one of their biggest plays in this game,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they run a little stunt on the left hand side
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: of the Patriots offensive line and ramondre Stevenson gets switched
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: on to Zack Allen somehow, and he bought Zach Allen. Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: like he didn't he he died slowly, which is all
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you need you ask for it. He won running back
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: in that situation. Drake May doesn't get out of the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: pocket and pick up twenty eight yards on that scramble,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: if ramondre Stevenson doesn't do that and pick up Zach
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Allen and all Pro defensive tackle against a running back
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and ramondre Stevenson survived down like that is an incredible
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: play by a running back. So looking ahead again a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: little bit with Seattle, I mentioned all the gaming or
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the stunting that they do up front. My Rabel mentioned
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: it yesterday. I would not be surprised one bit if
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: m Andre Stevenson's basically a sixth offensive lineman in a
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: lot of this game.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I go back to, do you remember in that draft
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I some maybe it was you who said this. Somebody
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: said this that, like coming away from the Senior Bowl,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson is like having an extra tackle on the field.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Somebody said that if you want. But you're really starting
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to see that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Especially on the interior. You know, they'll put him up
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: like in the line of scrimmage, like kind of right
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: in the in the.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: A gap there a full back.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they what they're doing is like they're sliding
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the line a particular way, and if somebody hits that gap,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: then they just know Remondre Stevenson's there to pick it up.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what happened. Was Zach Allen like
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: looping around. I just can't. I can't. It's stress enough
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: how ridiculous it is to want as a running back.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I think they've done this a couple of times, but
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like eventually they're gonna have one of those looks because
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you know it's a tell once he goes up and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: stands right behind it usually stands in the gap in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the a gap, right Yeah, Yeah, you're like, okay, it's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a pass play because Drake May is essentially now alone
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in the shotgun that the check and release on that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that they hit eventually is going to go for a
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: big game.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they and he'll He'll do that like if they
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: don't scheme the rush, if they don't blitz or they
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: don't stunt, like he'll kind of leak out late into
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the pattern as a checkdown option there. I just think
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that he's just been nails. I mean he's just been
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: really really good throughout this this entire playoff run, really
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: for the last like second.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Half since he was a toe injury, right yeah, ever
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: since he came back from that toe injury, he's playing
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the best football of his life.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been impressive. Last thing here on the good
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: list is, of course, the blocked field goal. Not not
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: really like anything super sexy about how they got it blocked,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: but they just overloaded the left side of the protection there.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: They put six guys on one side, which is the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: maximum that you can put on one side of the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: long snapper and they were able to two on one
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the blocker there with Dirten and let Taylor and Leonard
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Taylor ends up being the one. You know, Dirtan kind
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of like took him out, you know, he kind of
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: went low. Leonard Taylor goes high and h leaps up
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and gets the ball. What a story, you know, a
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: guy that's a practice squad elevation cut by the Jets,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: picked up by the Patriots on the practice squad and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: might have saved the season. He might have saved the season.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Isn't that? And I know that you have practice squad
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: elevations back then, but isn't that so textbook like Patriots
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Dynasty that Yes, here's this defensive tackle that Bill. And
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: by the way we are I've seen some people in
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: YouTube wondering we are going to talk about Bill. Oh yeah,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: we'll get to that's second our topic. But yeah, like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Bill fin the Jets cut this guy. Bill finds him
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and he's just this gritty player and earns this little
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: role and carves it out and boom there he is
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest moments of the year making a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: great play that that just feels so og Patriots Dynasty.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So credit to the credit to Leonard Taylor, great play.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely credit to him. Loved some of his quotes after
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, he was feeling that I was. I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: asked him, like, was there anything that you guys saw
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: on film with their protection that you guys exploited or
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: anything like that. He was like, Nope, we just knocked
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: the dudes over. Like it wasn't anything fancy at all.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like, you know, oh we knew the the
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: you know, snapper, the holder had this tail or. No,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: it was literally just we were more physical at the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: point of attack than they were. So really cool. So
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: there was, you know, plenty of of good things I
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: thought from the offense and the last one out. Did
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I mention matc Collins? I didn't mention him yet. No.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I had last one Macs and it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Has the two biggest pass plays of the game, you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the thirty one yard flee flicker and the twenty yard
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: incut that he had on third down. I thought the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: twenty both those were Drake May's best throws of the game.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: They were both to maccollins.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: The incut to him on third down was like, oh
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: mac collins is back right, Like that's like the mccollins around,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you know, so that was really good to see. I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: thought his balking was a little bit rusty, but you know, overall,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it was good to see him back making big plays
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: for them in the passing game. The flee flicker was
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a beauty. It was a really nice throw in a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: good route, a good sell. This is a player that's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: important to this offense, I think, you know, as we
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: move forward here a big picture with Drake May having
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a six foot four you know, I like to call
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: him accuracy erasers, where like the ballplacement doesn't have to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: be perfect because they have great catch radiuses. Although the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: flea flicker was perfect, but in general you don't have
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to have, you know, the most perfect accuracy because of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: his catch radius and his size. Those seem to be
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the type of guys that Drake May likes throwing too.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: As you know, these big size, speed guys like Matt Collins.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: So I would love to see them, you know, continue
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: with Matt Collins, of course, but you know, maybe try
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: to target some of those guys moving forward in the
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: draft or free agency or whatever. So good to see
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins back.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done a little little peaking at the Senior Bowl.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Seems like there's some good size at receiver. It feels weird,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: like that snuck up? Did it sneak up on you?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: This year? I haven't paid a second of attention I.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Got, which is kind of it was so funny because
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: this has obviously been like a huge week for us
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've been there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I've been in day at noon, I get an ESPN
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: alert like intrigue, get the Senior Bowl prospects to watch
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: for him, Like yeah, oh that's it's It is kind
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of funny, just like how full circles thing has come.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, I mean I like to catch up
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: It's been fun I'm not like complaining about either. The
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: last couple of years. You know, we were in the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl together. My first year working for the team
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: was at twenty twenty two, right twenty.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Three, twenty I think twenty three going into twenty three
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: February twenty three, and.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Then we were I've been at the Senior Bowl the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: last two years since then, so I've been at all
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: these college all star games and things like that. And
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: when we were already onto the draft at this point,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and we've been doing it for It's going to be
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a sprint this year. I know I'm all worried about it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna We'll have time to catch up, all right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: that's a tomorrow problem. That's like a two weeks or
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: going to the bads here. We already kind of talked
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: about the REP. Yeah, I didn't mean to do it
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: like that. I kind of talked about the receiver separation
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: stuff in the past protection, which were two of the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: things I highlighted just really quickly though. I thought they
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you know, Stevenson did sneak out of the backfield with
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Benito falling out of the rush on him on one play,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: and that was like the one time that the scheme
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: kind of got the Patriots there on the left side.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And now those are the reps that you don't want
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to see. I you're gonna lose one on one against
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: good pass rushers. It's gonna happen.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Benito is gonna win a Rep. Zach Allen's gonna win
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a Rep. Franklin Myers is gonna Rep win a Rep.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Cooper is gonna win a Rep. Those guys are good.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: They're gonna win reps. You know, same thing with Seattle's
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: pass rush when they get one on ones. I don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: like seeing like scheme mental errors, right Like, I don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: like that. That That to me is where I have
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit of anxiousness about it. They had Ramandra
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Stevenson on that deep corner route They've run it a
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: million times called scissors, you know most of the time,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: where you have the vertical on the back side that
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: clears it out, and then Remandre just releases vertically out
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of the backfield on like a little corner route, and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: they got Benino to drop out of the rush off
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the edge on him. It's the same exact throw that
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Drake May made against the Jets for a touchdown pass
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to Stevenson, same play, and they got it again. They
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: got the look again. Obviously, this one was covered a
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: little bit better because it's the Broncos and the APS
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Championship game and not the Jets. But the throw was there,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and it was there, and they got confused there on
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the left side Campbell and Wilson, and they left Roach.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Roach, one of the biggest guys on their defensive line,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: just came through unblocked and it blew up the play.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: If that plays blocked, well, touchdown, I think you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I've seen Drake may make that throw in his sleep.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: So that one was a little bit troubling. But we
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: kind of already talked about all that and one other
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: thing on the that I had just from a defensive perspective,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: they were not great in zone coverage in this game
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: at times, especially not great in quarters. And the reason
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: why I bring this up is not to hammer the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: defense after they just gave up seven points in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: ADS Championship game. I bring it up because against these
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: West Coast offenses that they're going to face in the
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl of Seattle, quarters is usually the kryptonite for
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that So if you want to play whether it's Shanahan McVeigh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you know, super Bowl fifty three, it's like quarters three buzzes,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: like the game plan for the Patriots. I expect them
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to want to play a lot of quarters in the
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: game in Super Bowl sixty. It's just the way that
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: that system kind of plays out. And we can talk
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: about next week or later today why that is. But
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: in this game, Jared Sidham four for five sixty nine
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: yards passing, including the fifty two yard bomb to Marvin
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Mims all came against quarters, so he was it was
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: his most successful. They gave up a third down play
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: in quarters to Lil Jordan Humphrey where they didn't play
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the flat very well. They didn't exchange the flat very
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: well there with Marcus Jones and Carlton Davis. The bomb
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: was on quarters on the bomb is really quickly to
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the one on Mims. I know Jalen Hawkins is catching
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: some heat for that play. I don't think that that's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: on Jalen Hawkins. It looks to me like they're playing
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: what's called poach, which is a match quarters call where
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the backside safety or the weak safety there, which is Hawkins,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: He's got his eyes and his body open to the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: three receiver side. It's a three by one check to quarters.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: So he's looking at number three to the passing straight
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: meaning the inside slot receiver to that side of the field.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: When that slot receiver, which he does, he runs a
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: vertical across the field, it's Jalen Hawkins's job to match
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that route, so he's not helped to Christian Gonzalez. Christian
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Gonzalez on the backsides one on one with Marvin Mims.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: So what I think happened is that when they motioned,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: they motioned at the last second right before the snap
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Denver did and they motioned the receiver from two by
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: two to three by one, And when they motioned to
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: three by one, it seemed like Jalen Hawkins kind of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: checked in his head into into Poach into the quarters check,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: and Christian Gonzales might not have gotten the message that
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: they were checking into Poacher straight quarters there. So I
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: think it might have been a little bit of a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: miscommunication in terms of where Gonzales thought his help was
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: coming from. But at the end of the day, wants
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: to play kind of was ball snapped and the play unfolded,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you know, he just got beat like he just the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: guy just ran by him, you know, Mams just beat
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: him over the top. So I just wanted to kind
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of explain that because I know that a lot of
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: people think he was passing the route off to Jalen Hawkins,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: which just based off the coverage and the look that
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins was the technique I should say that he
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was playing. It just didn't really make much sense that
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: would have been the case. So I think they have
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to kind of go into the lab a little bit
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: here in the next ten days and just make sure
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that they're really buttoned up in their quarters looks, because
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to call a decent amount
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: of split safety zone, whether it's cover two or quarters
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: against the Seattle offense. The stuff that gets you beat.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I had one thing on here. It's just Drake made
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the passer, you know, whatever it is, shoulder fatigue, just
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: good defense, bad weather, like whatever doll Is chocked up
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: to me, got throw the ball better exactly. You know
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: that that's really what it is. You know, I had
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: five throws in this game that I thought were arerant,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you know, inaccurate passes. You could argue six. And then
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I also had to turnover worthy play where he put
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: threw the ball to Ufunga, And yeah, he was fooled
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: on that one. That wasn't necessarily like a bad throw.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: That was you know, he got he got beat us
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: schematically with that throw. But you know, he short armed
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: to check down to Remondre in the flat, which wasn't
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: going to be a first down, but it was just
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: he's still short armed it. You know, he I thought
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: he was kind of and high to pop Douglas on
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that whole shot.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually automatic.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Later in the game, the dig route to Booty
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: before halftime short armed it threw him a dirt ball.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: He also missed a load of Booty again on that
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: glance route off to play action play that the ball
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: just went straight down. And then he sprayed an out
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to Booty as well on a drive that they ended
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: up not scoring on I think right or kicking a
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: field goal there isn't. I think it was the nine
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: minute drive. So all of these throws just uncharacteristic misses,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you know, Hunter Henry dropped one, But I also thought
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that one was like kind of like a mini spray,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: where like it wasn't really on the body, it was
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: kind of outside his frame. Probably still should have caught it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: But overall, you know, he's just got to throw the
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: ball better. Like if they're gonna be in Seattle, this
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: is not gonna get be good enough.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I'll add one more that gets you beat Yep, Bryce
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Behinger needs to be better. That was altitude.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I even before the snow, he was struggling the kickers,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I give more of a break. They were both struggling.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That was a tough day to kick. Also another really
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: good reminder right out of Vin Terry should have been
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer because that's.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Not We'll get to that, we'll get to to.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, just too many, like multiple shanks from Bearinger
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and you saw their punter kicking while on the same conditions.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so I was watching the game in the
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: press box with no socks who you you know as well,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and no socks. It was me, no socks, Fred, you
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: know up there in the press box. And obviously we
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: were talking about Bearinger's struggles. But the last punt that
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: he had, I want to say it was the last one,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: or maybe it was the one out of the end zone.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I think it was the last one because it was
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: a little it was a little bit further out. It
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't out of the end zone. It was like thirty
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: something yards and everybody was killing them obviously for the punt.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say in his defense, the one
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: thing that I thought in the moment was you cannot
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: let Marvinie touch.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: But I do think there was an element.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Of Marvin Mims was the only way that they were
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: going to score.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I do think there was an element of kicking away
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: from Marvin Mims had to have that might have been
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I factor that into him struggling, but also
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like he's got such a strong leg, that's his trait,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: get it as far as you can and out of bounds,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So that kind of thing instead of just doing the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: pop up fair enough.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Now, the other thing I would mention is that at
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: that point in the game, they were kicking into the wind.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the wind was this This is more of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the whole game. This isn't just just the he had
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: other ones earlier.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to, you know, tell the whole picture here.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I'm with you that it was not a good game.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I do I do like I do think party was
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: kicking away from Mims.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: You absolutely like they're the only thing. And it kind
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: of gave me flashbacks to that Jets Patriots game when
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones house the punt return to win the game. Yea,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: the only way the Patriots were going to give up
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: a touchdown in that game was Marvin Mims hunt housing
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: a punt return like it was the only way.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: No. I think we talked about I talked about on
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: some previous kickoffs too. I said, kick the ball out
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: of the end zone. Don't let mim right and there
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: by the way, it's gonna be a thing again with Rashichi.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we do have another coaching opening field. Uh oh,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you want to update on that. The Cleveland Browns have
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: hired Todd Monk.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's out of nowhere. I didn't like. I knew
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: he was kind of a hot after Lamar's MVP season, but.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had trouble following the interviews. But so he
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: stays in the AFC North.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of a out of left field.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: One is that, like, the candidate we want is in here,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna hire this old guy for a couple
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of years and.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Probably like that feels like one that maybe would have
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: made more sense last year after Lamar won MVP or
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: had the season he had. He didn't famously didn't win MVP.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Sorry I should have won MVP, but you know, after
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Lamar's MVP caliber season put it to you that way.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: But interesting, Yeah, and they are.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz is still under contract and quote the team
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: wants him to stay, according to Schefter.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Interesting that one is on my mind a little bit
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: with Jim Schwartz if he needs like a gap year
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: stop with his relationship with Mike rabel as sort of
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: like a senior defensive assistant, just to help a young
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: coordinator like Zach Kor out. It would be interesting some
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: of the coaching stuffs on my list of second hour
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: topics as well, because we got to talk a little
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: bit about the Bills, and I also want to like
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: really talk like really briefly about Tanner ex Strand and
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: with the Jets wait so long to I thought he
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: was like the only good thing about that Jets team
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: watching their film twice, which was painful. The only thing
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: that I thought that the Jets did well last year
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: is I thought their scheme offensively was pretty solid. Yeah yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and then like even with justin fields like they got,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: they they did what they could with a limited quarterback,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: you know, likecos Yeah, I mean Week one against Pittsburgh,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: like that was a legitimately good film from an offensive coordinator.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: So I thought that that was weird. So we'll get
• 51:55
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• 51:57
  Speaker 2: we'll get to the Bill Belichick news here after the break.
• 51:59
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are back here for the second hour
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: of the show. UH, and we're going to talk about
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: some of these news and notes, do a little Seattle preview.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: We're going to also open the calls and the emails.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Has got a bunch of emails coming in. Uh eight
• 54:17
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• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like some people have now caught on that
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: we don't do calls. The first hour of the show,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: which I really appreciate. So if you want to call
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: it now, then go right ahead and we'll get you
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: on the air. But before we open it up, Alex,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I just want to clear the floor here a little
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: bit for us to talk about Bill Belichick getting snubbed
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: as a first ballot Hall of Famer. This is something
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: that frankly, I I want to be measured with because
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I get fired up about it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: All Right, if you want to stay measured, to go
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: for it, I won't be.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I get measured. I got I get fired up about
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: this because I'm not usually the guy that's as everybody
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: hates the Patriots and y'all like, and.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: You're also you're such a Blair history of the game, and.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: That's not usually my angle, And that's why I think it,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: you know, even more like I feel like this is
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: kind of has more credence because I feel so strongly
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: that the Pro Football Hall of Fame for years now
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: has had this anti Patriots bias towards the dynasty that
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I just can't really understand. And it's one thing to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: drag Rodney Harrison through the mud. It's one thing to
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: leave Adam Vin Terry who is a place kicker off
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the first bat. No, just relax. It's one thing to
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: do all that kind of stuff, because you know what
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I it's it should be hard to get into the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. All those types of things
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I have bothered me, but nothing, Nothing has bothered me
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: more than hearing this news about Bill Belichick. This is
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: embarrassing for the Hall of Fame, flat out, and there's
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: absolutely no good argument for it. It's out of pettiness,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: is what it is. It's out of some disdain for
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the man, either because he dominated your favorite team, or
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: he wasn't nice to you at you know, the owner's
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: meetings or something like that. This has nothing to do
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: with his resume, has nothing to do with what he's
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: accomplished on the field. This is all political that he
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: is not being put into the Hall of Fame on
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the first ballot. And I personally feel and this is
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: not Gary Myers because I want to publicly shame these
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: people or you know, their house, I think, is what
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: he said. This is because there needs to be accountability
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: for this process because time and time again, this voting
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: body has left people that are Locke Hall of Famers
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: out of the Hall of Fame for reasons that are
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: not football related, and it's not just Patriots, but it's
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: happening a lot with Patriots, with mister Kraft, with Bill Belichick,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: with Adam van Terry, which I don't know what you
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: have against Adam van Ry, Like, I don't understand that
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: one at all. But even you know, this voting body
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: is the same voting body that took three years to
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: put Terrell Owens in the Hall of Fame, that last
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: year did not have Luke Keighley on the Hall of
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Fame ballot. You know this is not just Patriots. So
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: at this point to the Hall of Fame voters, the
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: reason why we want names is because you've lost the
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: trust of the public to get this right. That's what
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: it is. It's not because we want to publicly shame
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: you for getting it wrong. It's because you no longer
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: have the trust of the public that you are going
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: to vote correctly, and so you've lost that, You've lost
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that privilege of animity. It's so much easy you're to
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: hide behind that. And so this I think the one
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: solace that I have in all of this, because there's
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: not very much because this is a sad day yesterday
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Sad day for the sport.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: The one thing that I would say that gives me
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: some hope is no one has argued the other side
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: that means anything, Like I'm not talking about some random
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: guy on Twitter. I'm talking about the outpouring support of
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: how did this happen? Has been pretty remarkable, Like it's
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: really been unanimous.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: For somebody who like pissed off a lot of the league. Yeah,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: but he did it because he was great. And at
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, as much as they hate
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cutch off you find this, but as
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: much as they hated him, and yeah, other teams had
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a right hate Bill Belichick and kick their ass up
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and down, right, but they respect They recognized and respected
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: how great he was what he did, and that's what
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: it's a It's about respect.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is not This is not a This
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: is not like a small thing. This is the most
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: prestigious honor in the sport and for a guy, this
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: is not a small thing.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: You because I got a hole.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: It's okay, Yeah, I'll let you go in a second.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: This is not this is not a small thing that
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: you're voting on here, you need to This is not, uh,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the the jelly of the month club that
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: he's getting voted into. This is the Pro Football Hall
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: of Fame, and my opinion is the most prestigious honor
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: that any player or coach could be given in the sport.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: It is not and that's exactly what it is. And
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: it is not your opportunities a voter to settle a score, right,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: are you go ahead? So you called it embarrassment, it is.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: It's disqualifying. As far as I'm concerned, today pro football
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: has no Hall of Fame.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Because if that guy's look. Part of the reason historically
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame was good is it
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: had a higher bar than baseball in basketball, I admittedly
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: don't know a ton about the hockey Hall of Fame,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: but it had a higher bar. But if that is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: so high that Bill Belichick, oh, you cannot get in,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: it's disqualifying. And credit to the voters who voted for him,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: who have come out, who have broken the protocol and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: said they did and called out their fellow voters who
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: didn't appreciate you. But that entire body right now has
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: a massive black mark on it. Bill Belichick is the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: biggest snub from any Hall of Fame in all of sports.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I believe he is bigger than Bonds. I believe he
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: is bigger than Rose. I know some people that's not
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: technically a snub, whatever, he is the biggest Hall of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Fame snub in all of sports. Even if he gets
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in next year, he will never be a first ballot
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, And that is wrong. It is the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: job of that voting body in that institution to be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: stewards for the history of this sport as a hallowed responsibility.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And there is no bigger historian of this sport, no
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: bigger history appreciator of the history of the sport than
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: They have and that part of it too. Like the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: guy that you know did the NFL one hundred and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: it was part of the centennial team selection. And I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: remember a couple of years ago when they played the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Browns in Cleveland, and part of his speech after the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: game was it was the Bailey Zappy game in Cleveland.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: He talked about Jim Brown.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: So he told the players first, he told the players
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: that they should go out and look at the Ring
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: of Honor in Cleveland because of all of the big
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: games that are up there. Then when we left the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: left the stadium, they stopped the buses outside the Jim
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Brown statue and had everybody get off the buses, the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: players and stuff, to go look at the Jim Brown statue.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: This is a man that loves the history of the game. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and cares deeply about the history of the game. And
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: if there's anybody that deserves to be into the Pro
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame, I don't know anybody more deserving
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: than Bill bobichel accomplishment and just on the history, his
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: impact on the history of the game.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I always kind of wondered that we always sort of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: did the thing when Bill Belichick retires, what's he gonna do?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Is he gonna go coach high school across? Is he
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: gonna do this or that?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I always part of.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Me always thought he'd go run the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: he's probably the most qualified person to do it, right,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: But they won't put him in. And I've I've longstanding
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: had an issue with this body in this voting body exactly.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: You know, this is their most egregious for a few years.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I think they can't sink lower than this. They can't
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: possibly I forget, if I can swear on the show,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: they can't possibly f up worse than this sink. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I say this half jokingly, Evan, is
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady gonna get in on the first ballot?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the fact that we even
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: have to ask that, the fact that qualifying they've held
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: it against mister Kraft, They've held it against Bill, so like,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: how could how could they not? Right? Like, the only
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: way that you don't is that the difference is that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: he's a player, right, Like it's in most of the time,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the player aspect of it changes it like that, That is,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: they have a little bit more of a different milk.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say that, Like, it's almost like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you can't put him in first ballot now because it
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: just makes this one look even worse.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I would just say that on top of all
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the things that we've said. Yeah, the other part of
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: this that I think is also disappointing is that now
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: this whole process moving forward, including the candidates that do
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: get in next week, it's all it's all tainted, tainted,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: it's all the Hall of the Pro Football Hall of.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Fame as it stands today is tainted, right, and that's no.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be anybody five or six guys
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: that get in next week.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Can be unfair. Not that it's going to fix anything.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I know this isn't exactly how the voting works, but
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: last year they the by rules which are broken in
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: their own right. And part of this is the broken system.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: But if you're the voters, push to fix the system,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: they have to put in between four and eight people
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: each year. If it's less than eight this year and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: there's an empty spot when Bill Belichick didn't get in,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: holy crap. They what a horrible a cherry on top
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of the absolute s Sunday that this is. And to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: go back to your point, Adam n Arry not getting
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: in I thought was a new low. The all time
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: leader in the history of sport, the great. I don't
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: care what his position is. He's the greatest ever to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: do it. And kicking in the snow ain't easy. Yeah,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and playing football for twenty something years ain't easy, and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: he did that. And I don't want to just make
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: this Patriots thing because it's not. Everybody should be upset
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: about this. You mentioned Luke Keighley Luke Keighley. Yeah, he
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: played because the Hall. It's all these personal agendas about well,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: longevity should matter. I didn't like this team or I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: didn't like this player. Sure, Luke Keigley had a little
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: bit short of her career than the most seven years.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: He was an All Pro all seven years.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Whatever, they're moving out there, And I keep going back
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to this saying Evan, when I think about this, I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: know what I say saw. We as fans know what
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: we saw. I watched Louke Keigley. That's a Hall If
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that's not a Hall of Fame player, I don't know
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: what is. What's the point you mentioned Terrell Owens earlier,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: significantly significant, probably might be a top five receiver all time.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Left off took him three years, took them.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Three years, Marvin Harrison with lesser numbers, but he was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: on those Darling Golds teams right, gets in first bats.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: So you know I'm big on that.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: That's want to ask something on Owen's real quick? Yeah,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I actually I'd forgotten about this until last night when
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I was looking this up. Terrell Owens didn't go to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: the induction. Terrell Owens was so upset and angry that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: he didn't get in. He went back to Chattanooga instead,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: where he played his college football. Yeah, and gave a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: speech there, and he said at the time, this is
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: not about not being inducted on the first or second ballot.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: It's about the process in which guys are nominated and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: ultimately inducted. There was a flaw in that system. So
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: this is not only about me, but it's about the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: guys that went before me that's going to come after me.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: And I can make a stand for those guys so
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: they won't have to go through the situation now ten
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: years ago. About ten years ago, I for things that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: here is about ten years He is exactly right, and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: this thing has been flawed for a long time and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it should never have come to this. But it should
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: not get past this. There should be major reform. This
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: is a you know how I am about the history
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: of the sport and how cannot get romantic about football
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: all that. This is a black eye on the game
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: itself and the voter should be ashamed.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree with that. I mean, you said, I
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: think it's really I've I've had this like personal thing
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: with the Pro Football Hall of Fame for a while
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: because I think for me, and I'm gonna sound a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: little bit obnoxious per usual here, but for me it's twofold.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: One of it is the lack of transparency from the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: voting body is extremely annoying and frustrating because they put
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: their nose up to some of the greats of the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: game like Bill Belichie, like Terrell Owens, like Adam Vinitaria,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: like Luke Keekley, and they do it on the with
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: the ability to hide from the public and not have
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: to own their vote, which I think is a big
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: reason why you get like this, like petty nonsense like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: we got with Bill Belichick, because they don't need to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: answer to anybody for this, so they don't vote based
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: off of an impartial, unbiased view. They vote based off
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: of emotion and personal vendettas because they don't need to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: disclose their vote, so no one's going to call them
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: out for it because they can hide. Okay, that's one thing.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: The other thing, and now is gonna sound obnoxious, and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I get that. The other thing that I have an
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: issue with the Pro Football Hall of Fame within the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: voting body is that, yes, a lot of the people
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: that are part of the community that vote or the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: committee that vote, have a good historical perspective on the game.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Because most of them are old as dirt, they have
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: a good historical perspective. I strongly question their football acumen
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: and they are actual.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Football put on the tape.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, I understand that you've covered the game for generations,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: and you understand how to compare players from eras and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: all that, and all that deserves a spot in the process,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and that's why there are media members in the process.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: But to sit here and vote on some of the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: best players of their generation for Hall of Fame candidacies
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: or coaches and not really fully understand what the job
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: of that individual player or coach is is a problem,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: which is why there needs to be more people, in
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: my opinion, that played or coached the game. Not Bill
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Pollian's of the world, by the way, but people that
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: can be impartial about it, because frankly, like if you
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: if you can't break down cover two, then I don't
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: really care about what your football opinion is.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: It's a great point, and this is obviously not a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Belichick issue, but it's impacted some of the other Patriots
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: and a lot of other players. The Hall has free
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: over a decade now. It's very much the traditional definition
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: of positions, looking at the box score and how we're used, right,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: So that's why it took so long to get like
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: a Richard Seymour Randall.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: That's why Vince will Fork is not up for consideration.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Like if you know ball, you know how valuable Vince
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Wilfork was to the entire operation for.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: The It's but it's not even just the positional value
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: thing like with will Fork or Vina Terry. If you
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: play wide receiver, the Hall of Fame is looking for
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: six foot three winds up at the X, you know,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: eighty catches, one thousand yards fifteen yards of catch. They
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: because that's the only way that position was played for
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: years and years and years. And as we come fifteen
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: years removed now from that Arab specialization that kicked off
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: midway through the two thousands, they'll look at even Wes Welker,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: who's a great slot receiver, they don't look at that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: as a separate position. They just see him as a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: guy that wasn't a textbook wide receiver, so he's not
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: in I've been a long proponent of Larry centers, and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: that might go over some people's heads. Larry Centers wasn't
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: that great. Go look at the historical context of Larry
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Centers as a pass catcher. He was catching one hundred
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: passes in a season, a decade before any other running
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: back did it. Like you look at the list of
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: pass catching running backs, the truly elite ones. It's Tomlinson
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I think we all agree. McCaffrey is
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Thompson in yet is he eligible? Okay, McCaffrey's going to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: get in. Matt Forte is on the bubble, but like
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: ten years before them, is Larry Centers. But he's a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: fullback and it's not a running back's job to catch
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: passes because it's nineteen eighty five, and so he's not in.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: When we get to like Devin Hester right away to year,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: but because he wasn't a great corner receiver, because returner
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: is not a real position. When we get to Matthew Slater,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: we're going to do this again too.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, good luck. They can't even get Bill Belichick
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame or mister Kraft, We're not
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: going to get Matthew Slater.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: But like this has been a big problem the way
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like the vote. And again this isn't all,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: but it's enough to excuse the results. They and this
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: is separate from Belichick, but well, we're on it. Let's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: do it. They use a dated view of the game
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: and it coming out of the age of specialization. Is
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: so damaging to do that.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, last point here on the Hall of Fame
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: and then and then we'll move on unless you guys
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: bring it up. The other thing that might bring it up,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: that always goes gets under my skin. And I've done
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: this research and I have these numbers at the ready
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: for things like this is when you look at the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: great dynasties of the modern era. I'm not going I'm sorry,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not going back to autogram or a bart star
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: in Vince Lambard.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: The super bowler is perfectly fair.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: But I think those Packers teams do support your argument.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: So from nineteen seventy on is where I'm at. AFL,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: NFL merger, post merger, nineteen seventy Steelers, the freaking ball
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: boys in the Hall of Fame for that team, they
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: have ten Hall of Famers, ten Hall.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Of Fame players plus coach and owners ten right, Yes, so.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Ten Hall of Famers ten on that nineteen seventies Steelers team.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: That is insane. Ten. The Patriots have two from the dynasty,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: and the way that we're going right now, it's probably
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: just gonna be Brady and maybe Gronk.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Right like that, that and Seymour and law.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that the two that they currently have the nineteen
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: seventies Steelers.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: We don't even know if will get it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know what doing right. I said that last
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: night to I was like, I don't know.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Frankly, if Kikley doesn't get it, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: how much longer did Gronk play the day ten.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famers players? Les is in the Hall of Fame?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Aren't Rooney is in the Hall of Fame? Okay?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: And I understand I don't. It's not I don't want
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: to speak for you.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: That's not to say that some of those guys don't
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: deserve me.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Most of them do. Most of them do. But my
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: point is is that they are the Patriots. They are
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: being recognized for their their dominance in that decade of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Okay, and the Patriots had two decades worth
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: of dominance and can barely get their coach into the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. So this seventy Steelers had ten you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the players, plus coach plus owner. You'd know that one
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: goes right up my backside. It has for years. The
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: fry cook in the kitchen of the Pittsburgh Steelers facility
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy probably could get into the Hall of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Fame before Bill Belichick. It is ridiculous, ridiculous. And let's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: also just mention with the seventies Steelers, the one guy
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: that always comes up is Lin Swan, right, who did
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: not have great numbers in the regular season, had some
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: really really big playoff moments and is in the Hall
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: of Fame. I could say the same exact thing for
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: William mcgi who's the all time playoff leader in sacks.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I could say the same exact thing for Julian Edelman,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: who has a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah right, all those guys.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Edelman especially has comparable statistics to Lynn Swan, has the
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: playoff performance that Lynn Swan had, and is not even
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: going to come close to sniffing the Hall of Fame.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: And don't I don't think Edelman's a Hall of Famer.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: But the point is if you let those guys in
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: because they played for Pittsburgh. Then you have to have
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: the same criteria for the Patriots players. It's not that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: I think Edelman or williamc. Ginnis should be in the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. It's that it's not equal between teams.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I also looked at the nineteen eighties San Francisco forty
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: nine Ers. They have six players plus Bill Walsh, plus
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: their owner during that time period who bought the team
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: in the I think nineteen eighty or nineteen seventy nine
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: or something like that. All of them are in the Hall,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: all of them. All of them are in the Hall
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: of Fame. The nineteen nineties Cowboys six plays plus coach
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson plus owner Jerry Jones. Right, so all of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: these teams, all these dynastic teams of the modern era
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, they're like slam dunk Hall of Famers
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: are slam dunk Hall of Famers. Like that was not
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: a situation like we're seeing with the Patriots.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: By the way, shout out Jimmy Johnson, who's been pounding
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: the tablechick like a.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Guy like for example, you know, just to you know,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: give another example, a guy like Rodney Harrison. If you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: played for the nineteen seventy Steelers, probably would have been
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: like a first round second, right like that. That's the point,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: And this is I don't know, I don't I'm not
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: inside these people's heads. But at this point, with Bill
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: getting snubbed, it's just the only our explanation is some
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: sort of Patriots bias or some sort of weird holding
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: on to things that like Spygate and things like that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: that are just you need to just get over it, okay,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like it didn't by any means. The guy's got eight
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: super Bowl rings between being a coordinator in a head he's.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Coached in twenty percent of them, right, so just get
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: over yourself. The little line that everybody uses, and I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: think this is valid to a point of you know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: what's the measure of Hall of Famer? Well, can you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: tell the story of the sport without this person? There
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: may be no one single individual because football doesn't really
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: have an ABN or double day, like it was kind
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: of founded by different people and came together. You know
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, is there a single I'm asking this seriously,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm forgetting somebody. He's Bill's definitely
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: top five is there a single individual who you cannot
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: tell the story of the NFL without more than Bill Belichick?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: How do you tell the story of this sport without
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's It simply cannot be done. And by the way,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: also the guy they could probably tell it than anybody. Yeah,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: and it's it's a shame the Hall of Fame as
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: it sits today. I hate saying it because of the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: guys that are in and that have that honor and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: that will get that honor. It's illegitimate, plain and simple.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: It's illegitimate. And even I'm sure Bill will get in
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: next year, and you know, great, he won't have been
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer and that I don't
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: want him to get in next year. And everybody say, oh,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: the committee finally got it right. No, no, because being
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: a first being a first ballot Hall of Famer means
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: something beyond just getting in. That's the apex of the apex,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: and it will, at least until they overhaul the voting
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: and change the format. It should remain a stain. It
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: should remain a black mark as long as the current
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: format holds.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, last thing on this, and then we got to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: move on the on Sunday night after.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: The game or more the Invanitary doesn't get in this year.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: That's where. So we were hanging out after the game
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: on Sunday night and I got to meet Adam Vanentary,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: which I will fully admit I nerd it out. I was.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I was the biggest fullo about not going to Denver.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the game. It was Adam being in the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: building with Adavanentari when they're trying to kick field goals
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: in the snow, Like, come on, I.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Fan boyd hard. I introduced myself, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: And I after I saw this build news, I was like,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: don't you do it. Don't you freaking leave Adam Vanentary
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: out again, because if you leave Adam Vanentary out again, uh,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: then Patriotizations is gonna You're gonna have some splannet to do. Well,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Like you just don't do it. Just don't you if
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: you already you know, all these votes are already cast
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff, so it's too late whether he's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: in or out. But just don't do it. I'm telling
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: you now, because uh, this Belichick thing is already ridiculous
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: and embarrassing. Uh, that will just add fuel to it.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: And I'd also add that, you know, mister Craft of course,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: is up for nomination to be inducted as well. Uh
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: so you better tread lightly Hall of Fame, like you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: better be careful here, because if you're leaving all these
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: guys out, it's not gonna look good for you. It's
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: not gonna look let's.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Do you know how we all and we were just
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: joking about how it's going to be quicker with the
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: draft this year. We're gonna not have as much time
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: to fill in the off seas we always do the offseason.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm here, I said this last night as a joke,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: and like, I'm seriously considering it. We should have a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: catch twenty two Pro Football Hall of Fame. And like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: each week on the show in the offseason he killed
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, we each present a player or a coach
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: or somebody that we thinks deserving of being in it,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: let's build our own. It would have just as much
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: legitimacy as the one that can't know Io as far
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: as I'm concerned.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take some of these calls and emails
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: and let's talk a little bit of Seattle. I think
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: we got enough off for a chest on.
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  Speaker 1: On that I will I will continue talking.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Patty is an Akawa. What's up, Patty?
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  Speaker 6: Hey, good morning. Jents. Got a few things to go over,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: so I'll try and make it quick. Regarding the Hall
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: of Fame, I said this yesterday. When I read it,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: it's clear to me now it's a popularity contrast contest.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: It's no longer. It's not a meritocracy, which it should be.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: That's all I have to say about that. Regarding the game,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: I got five things, guys. Yes we do these five
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: things we win, and all lined with a question too,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: and I'll, like I said, I'll make it quick. Number
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: one is you gotta win the line of scrimmage. In
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: my forty year history of watching the Super Bowls, I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: cannot give you any team that lost the line of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: scrimmage on both sides that ended up winning the game.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: This is especially important on defense. After what we did
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: to the Broncos offensive line, I have a little bit
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: more confidence. Number two, you gotta stop Kenneth Walker. Number three,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: we have to come out of this game saying that
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: the passing game was clinical. Our passing game. Number four,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: don't kick the Shaheed punt or kickoff seems pretty simple.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: Just kick it out of the end zone, Alex, like
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: you are what one of you guys. I remember saying
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: that last week regarding mins. Just kick the ball right
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: out of the end zone. Don't even give them a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: chance to return the ball. I was twenty years old
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: for Super Bowl thirty one. I still have PTSD from
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: Desmond Howard. And I think the X factor in this game.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: I thought last week we would have to uh it
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: would be it would have to be a big Remondery game.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: I think with the speed of the Seattle defense, I
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: think Tradon Henderson could end up becoming the X factor
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: this game for both sides. And I wanted to get
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: your guys possible. If you don't want to do it,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: that's fine to wait till next week. Who are your
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: dark horse MVP candidates? Mine on offense would be Matt
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: Collins and on defense would be Christian Ellis.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: That's all I got, Thanks, Patty.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm going to be able to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: call in next week because you guys are doing it
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: so late, but if I can't, I will love you guys.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks Patty, Thanks for the call. Appreciate it so to
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: a few of those points, I would just say the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Henderson thing. I you know, I think a lot of us,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: and some of us have taken some flak for just
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: pointing out and being objective about it. You know, he
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: has not the film has not been great for him
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: at times. This year. He's had some really big runs
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: and he's had some really big games where he's broken
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple of you know, home runs, and
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: that's that kind of helps. And you know, I think
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: he's still got a bright future. But in the playoffs,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: you know, the details are important. You know, reading out
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: runs correctly, you know, knowing where the open lanes are,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: you know how when to cut back, when not to
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: cut back. You know, also understanding blitz, pick up and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: pass protection and pass game rules like all this kind
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: of stuff gets exposed to the tenth degree in the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: playoffs by good teams and good defenses. This Seattle defense,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: the way that they blitz, in the way that they
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: play games up front, this is not the type of
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: game that you put a rookie who has you know,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: is still kind of learning the mental side of the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: game in for a lot of snaps. It's just not
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: that kind of game now. But that being said, I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: do feel as though him returning kickoffs again should be
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: in play. It's the Super Bowl. If he knock on what,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: he doesn't. But if he gets hurt, he gets hurt,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: well empty the bag, yes, right, So I was a
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: little surprised, and they didn't do that last week, especially
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: with the way the game was unfolding. They didn't have
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: very many kickoffs to guard.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: They didn't have so they needed somebody.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Right, So I was a little surprised. He didn't see
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: that last week, yep, but they own Trey Von Henderson
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: played four total snaps in this game. Yeah, I just don't.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a big volume
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: game for him.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I don't, but like his quick strike ability is needed.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: They need to find away once or twice a game. Similarly,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: how honestly, the Seahawks use Shaheed like sah Heat's not
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: a volume guy by any means, but he's on kickoff,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: he's on punt return, and then once a game they
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: give him a fly sweep or a vertical route or
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: something like that and they try to get him loose
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: and he's got that game breaking speed. I feel the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: same way about Henderson, but the turnaround hand, the ball
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: off traditional sense of running back. I just don't know,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: if you know, I don't think he's the answer. Now.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: The other thing that he said about stopping Kenneth Walker,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: I think is one of my early keys to the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: game as well as good as Sam Darnold has been
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: in this little career renaissance that he's had the last
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: couple of years, when you really look, you know, deeper
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: into it, the play action stuff is really driving his
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: efficiency through the roof. Like he is a very good
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: passer off play action. He's mobile enough to run their
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: bootleg concepts off their stretch runs, and his you know
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: EPA on non play action you know, traditional dropbacks is
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: like league average is EPA on play action dropbacks is
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: top five in the league. Yeah, so what does that mean.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: It means that you need to find a way to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: win first down, right, The run game needs to be
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: put to bed. You need to get him into second
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: and third and long, and you need to present opportunities
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: for him to have to drop that pass a lot,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: like you've done with all these quarterbacks all playoffs long.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: So if you can stop the run, if you can
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: get them out of run, play action sequencing on early
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: downs and you can get them into third and long
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: like that's where you can get Donald to make some mistakes.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: They've turned the ball over, not in the playoffs, but
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: they turned the ball over a lot in the regular season.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: He still has games where he looks like the jet
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold at times, and that is because basically, in
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: my opinion, when the game has on his shoulders and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: it gets heavy, that that's when he can start to
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: kind of have those seeing ghost moments again. So that's
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: where the game is gonna be one and lost. In
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: the trenches like always. Like in this Patriots defensive line,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: dominate first down, get them into second and third and long,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: and put Donald into drop back passing situations. If he
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: beats you drop him back like he did against the Right,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: you tip your cap and I ortually that's how it goes.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: It's a super Bowl, You're playing a good team, right,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be as simple as you know,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: make them play. There's a lot of things they do well,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: but like you said, you put the ball in Sam
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Darnold's hands. Was one of the most turnover prone quarterbacks
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: in the NFL this year. You force him to have
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: to be Superman and win the game. And like you said,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: if he does, he tip your cap. But that feels
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: like the best way to attack this thing.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was my big thing, I think on
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: the on the offensive side of the ball. Just looking
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: at a few of my notes here in terms of
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: initial thoughts on the Seahawks, you know, they during the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: regular season, this was the one of the lowest pass
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: right teams in the league in terms of pure pass right.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: They were lowest in the NFL fifty one point three
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: percent in terms of neutral pass which you know, just
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: looking at you know, not blowout running right because that
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: obviously will skew it because they were in some blowouts.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: As a good team, they were twenty ninth in the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: league in neutral pass. So like they don't throw the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: ball with the high volume, they drive up efficiency with
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: play action and they are, you know, a team that
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: stays out a third and long with that toward sort
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: of approach. So Clint Kubiak, their offensive coordinator, is the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: son of Gary Kubiak, who you probably know from the Broncos. Uh.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: It is a Shanahan Tree offense, that is it. You know,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Kubiak's ties er to Shanahan. Mike Shanahan mostly with the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Denver Broncos. This is another one of those Shanahan West
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Coast outside zone bootleg play action. Uh, you know West
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Coast drop back concepts on third down. You know that
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: that's the way that they play offensively. Now, it doesn't
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: it's not Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shannon and Sean McVay level
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: of motion. They don't use quite as much motion as
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: those teams do, but they will use it.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Some of the things that I think stand out to
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: just some of the nitty gritty. Uh. They are a big,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: heavy personnel team. They play a lot of two tights.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: They have Robbie Oots our guy to play full backs.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: They don't play a ton of three wide receiver So
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of the time it's JSN Cooper Cup and
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: big boys, you know, big bodies like that. That's sort
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: of their offense that that's been a bulk of it
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: at least, So that's sort of what they do offensively. Defensively,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's one of the best. He's one of the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: best in the game. He has been really going back
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: to his days in Baltimore. I think what makes his
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: scheme tick is. They are very very good when they
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: do pressure, but they don't pressure at a high volume,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: So he's very good at picking his spots as to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: when to cook up pressure. Most of the time it's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: obviously on third down, third, medium, third and long. But
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: when they blitz, they have the number one EPA per
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: drop back in the league when they blitz by a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: wide margin. So it's not a high volume blitz team,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: but it's a very impactful blitz team. They're very good
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: at it. They're yeah, they're very good up front in
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: terms of you know, games and stunts, and their blitz
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: schemes are core needed. So they're gonna blitz and they're
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: also gonna twist at the same time. Right, So it's
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: not gonna just be we're gonna send five guys straight
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: at you. It's gonna they're gonna spin the dial.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: With the uh Dennis Robin clip from the Last Dances.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Guy's coming here, and then this guy comes here, and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: this guy goes over there, and guys there, and.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Yep, uh that's a big part of it. Uh. Their secondary,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: their their coverage is pretty structured and basic. They only
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: run like three real standard coverages. You know, there are one, two,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: and three team. They're Cover three and Cover two are
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: their most prevalent, prevalent excuse me, coverages in terms of
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: zone defense. And then they play some man, and they
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: played more man in the playoffs, and they played man
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: in the regular season, so we might see more man
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: in the super Bowl and typical, uh, what you would expect.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: So when I watch their tape, though, what stands out
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: to me is just how terrific McDonald is at scheming
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: pressure and how he not only does he threaten pressure
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: rules in terms of understanding past perti and how to
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: expose the way that teams pass protect, he's also extremely
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: good at you know, they run a lot of their
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: stunts are like more like pick plays than like pure stunts.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: So it's like almost like a pick and roll in basketball,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: where like one guy literally car crashes into an offensive
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: lineman to get the other guy free, and oftentimes what
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: happens is is the guy that's setting the pick is
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: the one that ends up coming free because you'll loop,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: like you'll switch it as an offensive line. But then
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: the guy that was supposed to pick up the looper
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: is like, you know, falling down because he just got
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: ear hold by the guy next to him, right, So
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of moving parts up front. It's very sound.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: It's a great defense. It's a it's a really great defense.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: And you know this tree, whether it's Jesse Minter who's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: now the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens, it's McDonald
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: like they this is now like kind of like I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: would say, along with Vic Fangio, these are the schemes
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, Like everybody is watching what Seattle is
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: cooking up defensively and trying to copy Seattle, like that's
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: this is what yeah. And I would say the last
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: thing with Seattle's defense, they have waves and waves of
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: depth that pass rusher. Like this is not a team
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: that necessarily has like a Will Anderson or a Nick Benino.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: You say Nascar defense. They have no Patriots. Fans aren't
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: gonna love to hear that.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: They have like seven or eight guys that can rush
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: the passer and they cycle through all of them and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: they keep them all fresh. You know, Dexter Lawrence and
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy Nuosu like those are the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: big names. That's like kind of their core four. But
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: they like, you know, we talked a little bit at
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: one point about Bowie Mafi like being on the trade block,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Like that guy should start for like thirty teams and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: he doesn't even start in Seattle. You know, like they
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: have depth. They're all good. But I'd say the biggest
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: thing that gives me a little bit of hope about
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: the way that they rush the pass is that they
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: don't have a like I want to like be careful
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: how I say, they don't win one on one as
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: much as some of the other defense.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Very much like winning on scheme organized scheming receivers over.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's not as much like Will Anderson's just an
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: alien and we can't block him, right, It's much more
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: of the scheme stuff that gives offensive lines problems. So
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: when they do rush for standard four man rush, they
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: do picking game a lot. But if they just have
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: kind of like a straight action standard four man rush,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: you do see some clean pockets on tape with that
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but they just don't do very often.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: You know, they stunt twenty five percent of the time,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: they blitz thirty percent of the time. So they're coming
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: after you. They they are gonna come after Drake May
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: in this game. But the one kind of thing that
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: I would say that maybe Drake may could do. And
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get into way more of this next week.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: But if they're gonna stunt and they're gonna run all
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: these games up front, it can be undisciplined. You know,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: they can get out of gaps, they can be you know,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: pin their ears back. Yeah, So if he can get
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: out of the pocket, if he can find those openings,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: you know, I would like to see him in this game,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more now that the weather is
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: hopefully going to be better. Knock on wood and all
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: that stuff, but be a thrower for longer, uh in
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: those instances I think would really give Seattle uh some problems.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: If he can play, you know, make plays out of
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: structure as a thrower, I think that they could land
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: some haymakers against this defense that way. Because they play
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of zone, You're gonna ask them to kind
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: of plaster down the field against those zone coverages. If
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: he gets out of the pocket, he's gonna have some
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: opportunities to either run or make plays with his arm
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: on the move. So that's when I look at their film,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: you know, I think that there's a couple of games
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: that defensively I've watched, you know, the the Niners games
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: are just yikes, you know, like that's domination by Seattle defense.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: The NFC Championship game against the Rams, Yeah, good luck,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: like good luck emulating DeVante Adams and Pukinikua mossing people
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: down the field like that to me is like not
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: necessarily indicative. I know Stafford threw for a lot of
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: like deep air yards in that game. I think he
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: had like over two hundred yards on throws, you know,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: more than twenty yards down the field. Like they kind
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: of got them with explosives in that game, but a
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: lot of it was either big time throws by Stafford
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: or Poka nikuah mossing people, right, And I don't know
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: if that's necessarily what you want to count on in
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: a game like this. The first the second matchup, I
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: guess I should say technically the Week sixteen regular season matchup.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: If you watch that film, there's a lot more McVeigh
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: magic on that film, scheming guys open and guys are
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: just running wide open through zones and things like that.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: So my guess is that the Patriots and Josh McDaniels
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: will watch a lot of that Week sixteen game where
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: they add some open receivers in that game that was
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: uncharacteristic of what Seattle usually looks like coverage wise. So
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: that's my little primer on the Seahawks. Like obviously, next
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: week's show in Santa Clara will be all Seahawks preview
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: and we'll get really into it. But I think we've
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: got you know, that's kind of the skinny of it.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: You know, we mentioned Shaheit a couple of times. Special
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Team's gonna be big in this game.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Huge.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: You know, covering kicks is gonna be big in this game.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: You know that he's a momentum flipper. You know, he's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: a guy you know, against San Francisco, takes a kickoff
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: ninety five yards to the house and that kind of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: got them rolling and it was blouses. You know, it
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: was a blowout. So they have to be careful with
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: those types of things with Shahid. All right, let's get
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: back to the calls. We got some callers and some
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: emails here that I'll read Brady is in Connecticut. What's up, Brady?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I'm just tuning in here, so sorry if
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: this was covered in the first half, but I just
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: wanted to speak a little bit to our defensive performance
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: this playoff run. Obviously we got some guys healthy at
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: the right time, but you know, putting up you know,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: four sacks averaging four sacks a game, a ton of turnovers,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: not really allowing much with on the ground, you know,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: really limiting the passing game. So I guess just my
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: first off is, uh, you know, when we're watching this,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: how do we know whether to attribute it to you know,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: a lot of people are talking about like bad opposing
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: QB play versus you know, Zach zach kor you know,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: spinning the dial with his play calling. Obviously some great
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: execution by the players we've seen, you know, some some
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: great you know picks by Marcus Jones and Carlton Davis
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: and uh, you know, big plays on the defensive line
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: as well. So that's that's really my question I'm putting
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: out there. And then last day just wanted to shout
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: out the front office an incredible defensive rebuild. This offseason
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: feels like pretty much every person is hit, you know,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: whether it's looking at free agency or with the you know,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: with the deeper draft picks that we that we've taken
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: with the you know, Woodson playing out of his mind
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: right now. So I'll leave it there.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Brandy, thanks for the call. So I would
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: say that to the first thing, just you know, how
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: do you tell the difference? I would say in this game,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you just look at the line of scrimmage, like,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: that's a really good Broncos offensive line they went against.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: It was fully healthy. They had their center back in
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: the game. That's no, that's no fluke.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: No, that was the real deal.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Jared Stidham and did he or didn't he hit a
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: throw here? And like that. I can see why people
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: would say that's a little bit more in the you know,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: the fluky category.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Or Elijah here's the thing, Elijah ponderbeats gart Poles one
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: on one, pont Gearpoles went on what the quarterback back
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: there doesn't really, That's what I'm saying. Change that. You know,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the overall numbers, yeah, probably, but there's enough you go
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: watch the individual matchups. Christian Barmore throwing Quinn Minors to
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: the side. Yeah, you know exactly.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Those are the things that I look at and say
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: that that's legit, that's real. You know, like you said,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: you could probably do a deep dive into the numbers
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: of how good they played in this game and make
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: it look like it was like the best Championship game
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: performance ever. Right, But I would say that because of
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. But in terms of the offensive line versus
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: defensive line, you know that's Quinn Minors is an All
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: first team All Pro this year. Garrett, Yeah, Garrett Bowles
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: is an All team first team All Pro at left tackle,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: the first team All Pro at left.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Tackle, left tackle, the best left tackle in the NFL.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Mcglinchy and Wantenberg got votes to actually think power did
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: all five of them get votes?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: McGlinchey had a really solid year. And one of the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: things that the Patriots did in this game that I
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: forgot to mention with Chase On is they actually had
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: Chase On rush over the right tackle a bunch in
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: this one to get him away from Garrett Bowles, which
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: was a nice change up. Usually he he rushes on
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: the on the blind side. Excuse me, but in this game,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: most of.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: You think just having the injury opened up the door
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that they are now viewing Chase
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: On as a matchup piece, a chess piece that is
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: having the type of playoffs, he's hasing, So let's go
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: pick on the on the ourst matchup there. All right,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: this is Reno in North Carolina. What's up, Reno?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 8: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call, No problem. I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 8: wanted to touch on two things, and you hit on
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 8: it a bit. But Seattle can create explosive plays in
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 8: their special teams, and I just wanted to ask about,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 8: with Henderson's snap count going down, why not considering putting
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: him back on kick return potentially trying to get an
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 8: explosive play, putting him back there with Kyle Williams and
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: trying to flip field positions. And my second thing is
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 8: it's a travesty that Rodney Harrison isn't in the Hall
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 8: of Fame.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 9: And that's a similar indictment.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 8: On the process and voters as with coach Belichick.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: So thanks, yeah, agreed.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: One, How is Rodney Harrison become the third biggest Hall
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: of Fame stuff for the payta? I was so ready
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: to be done with Harrison because he got in and
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: then was gonna be all attention on Matthew Slater. I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: didn't think we'd go the other direction where his case
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: got like all respect to Rodney Harrison. I consider Vinitaria big,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: bigger stup obviously, Bill, So yeah, all three should be in.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: All three, Will Fork and Mankins. Those are probably the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: guys that are eligible right now. I apologize if I'm
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: missing somebody, but those guys that are Eli Welker, those
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: are the guys that are eligible right now that I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: would say, like, have a legit. There's a couple of
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: other guys that are. You know, Corey Dillon's kind of borderline.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: But if you look, like again, I know what I saw.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: Corey Dyllan was Hall of Fame caliber running back. But
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: oddly enough, also Patriots Fred Taylor, Stephen Jackson not in,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: have been eligible, very similar careers. So like, okay, if
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be consistent and tell me that guy's not in,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: I don't agree, but like, okay, that players not in.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: They're very stingy with running backs. Fine, you look at
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: the other coaches that are in and that got in
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: first ballot. Bill Belichick's not in. You look at the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: other safeties or defensive players that are in where Harrison's
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: not in. Like, that's where you Vinitaria great. There's no
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: comp for vinitary because there's nobody better that's where you
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: lose me.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: So on especially. Yeah, we're all in agreement that maybe
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: giving Trevon Henderson some opportunities to return kickoffs.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Should be Also, I've been saying to all playoffs, and
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for us to pay off. There's only one
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: more chance. It feels like so many of these Patriots
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: super Bowl runs have a big plan upunt return. Yeah,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm waiting for Marcus Jones to have
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: that moment on one of them. I thought he did,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: and he cut.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he cut outside.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there was like a footing issue or
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: something that he cut the way he did. But like
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: I feel it, it's getting close. So I'm gonna say
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: it again, Marcus Jones.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: I thought that on I don't know why he didn't
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: just go immediately up feed. I yeah, it was. It
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: was a weird read for him, Like that was really weird.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Like he's normally dynamic.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: I wondered, because that's when the footing was starting to
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: kind of get shaky.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: But like what would the footing is, Like what difference
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: would be He's he's.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: Just overthinking it, maybe because he's he's trying to plan
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: I think like a cut or two ahead, right.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, maybe, but yeah, that that one, uh yeah,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: definitely was something that stood out. Eric in Connecticut. What's up, Eric, eric.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, long time listener.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 9: I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: done this year.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 9: I don't really have a question. I just wanted to
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 9: bring something full circle that you brought up earlier in
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 9: the show. You said that you were at the Senior
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 9: Bowl last year. I remember the show that you guys
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 9: were at the Senior Bowl and you brought up how
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: you looked at the teams that were in the Super
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 9: Bowl and they were like, we don't even they're just
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 9: they're just chilling. They're they're here for like a complimentary
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 9: guard or like a maybe an edge rusher to add
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 9: to like the rotation. I remember you guys chopping it
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 9: up back last year about that, and it just feels
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 9: nice that we're the team now. Now that now we're
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 9: that team. Yeah thing, we don't need holes plugged, but
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: it's a nice bull circle moment. I agree with you.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 9: The Senior Bowl just snuck up on me like this.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 9: I didn't even realize that the Senior Bowl was this week.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 9: That's helped into the Patriots. I've been in this year. Again,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 9: don't really have a question. I just wanted to thank
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: you guys for everything, and I hope you have a
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 9: good time with the Super Bowl.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Eric, appreciate that. Yeah. So the Patriots do have
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: their contingents down at the Senior Bowl right now on Mobile.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: So all the scouts you know, are already focused.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: On their said the other day they went from the
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl to the Senior Bowl.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what they normally do. Elliot Wolf and
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Ryan Katten went from Denver to Mobile.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: So they Patriots have people and surely have people that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: are already full steam ahead on the draft in the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: off season. And don't worry like it's not like the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: coaching staff isn't there yet, but the scouting department is
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: absolutely there. Seven more minutes. Let's let's talk a little
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: bit about some of the news around the league. There's
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: some interesting AFC East news that we can end the
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: show with, the biggest one being that the Bills have
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: promoted Joe Brady from offensive coordinator to head coach. I
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: was shocked by this one. I really was. Yes, I
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: thought it.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I think it's a good decision enough, but
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: you were honestly surprised.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: I was surprised it did I was surprised it didn't
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: hire Brian Dable. I think the Brian Dables offensive minded,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: just like Joe Brady has head coaching experience. Granted, got fired,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: but a lot of people got fired from their first job.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: And that was I think more of the GM than him.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: All the gms right there, Mike Rabel got fired from
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: his first job, and here we are, so Bill Belichick
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: got fired from his first So you know, my point being,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: I just thought that the experience for Dable as a
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: head coach was gonna trump Joe Brady's institutional standing, you know,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. I also just saw
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: it come across that Bobby Babbage, their defensive coordinator, has left.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: He's going elsewhere, to Green Bay. So that really surprises
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: me as well, because I actually I know that they
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: their defense kind of took some heat for the loss
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: against the Broncos in the playoffs, but it's been a
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: really good defense. It's a good system. Yeah, but Babbage
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: has taken over play calling and has done a nice job.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: I thought that if I was Joe Brady. I would
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: have tried to work really hard, kind of like Drawd
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Mayo trying to keep Steve Belichick right, like, you know,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: to keep some continuity there. I I don't know how
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: this is gonna work out. I like Joe Brady as
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: an offensive mine, you know, like every offensive coordinator. He
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: has some nitpicks, and he has some things that are flawed,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: but their run game has been really good with him.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: I think that they do some things schematically that are
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: are cool and challenging to defend. I have no idea
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: what kind of head coach he's going to be. This
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: to me, screams Josh Allen. Continuity. They wanted to keep
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: it the same for Alan Get a little bit younger,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: more innovative, you know, tight pants kind of guy as
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: the head coach, and they had one in house, and
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: so instead of going out and hiring another one from outside,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: they just promoted their guy. But last thing, and then
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: you can give your take. Yeah, the history, especially the
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: recent history of firing your head coach and then promoting
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: a coordinator, the recent history is not good, not good.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: It's not good. So I'm interested to see how this
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: works out.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Very interesting.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you are.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: There was I don't know because I'm not room, but
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: there was a report at the time where like the
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Bills fired McDermott without they they have a plan. Yeah,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: they fired McDermott to fire McDermott, Okay, like we're gonna
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: figure it out from here, which should never fire coach
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that way you should have at least and whether or
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: not the plan works out, you should have some sort
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: of idea. This feels to me like the safe space
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: between keeping Sean McDermott and hiring Brian Daball, which we're
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: probably like part of me wonders whether it was internal
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: or external, But the blowback to firing McDermott, which clearly
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: was a sudden move, freaked them out and they said, okay, well,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: how do we appease some of those and all right,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: we're gonna keep the guy that's been here because okay,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: you like McDermott, here's the guy that was here. That
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's the same as we saw it with
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: John Mayl.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: It just is so sorry to cut you off, but
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: it's just so shocking to me that the fall from
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: grace of that because of how they handled the McDermott situation.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: To you, this a couple of weeks ago is not
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: going to be an attractive job.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: But that the fact that it's not an attractive job
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: is all of their own doing. Yes, because it should
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: be one of the most attractive jobs to get to
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: coach the reigning MVP, who's, whether you want to admit
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: it or not, is at least a top five quarterback
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. And to have that opportunity to coach
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen in his prime, similar to have the opportunity
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: to coach Lamar Jackson in his prime in Baltimore, like
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: that should be a hugely uh you know, big job opening.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: And look at like the Chargers landed Jim Harbough Justin
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: Herbert like, and Justin Herbert hasn't accomplished as much as as.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen ha accomplished about the same.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: No, it hasn't. He doesn't want an MVP. But this
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: is what I was trying to tell you, Like for
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: all that, but this is about This is about ownership,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: This is about decision making. This is about Brandon Beans.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Still be Brandon Bean's not there. Do you think they
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: have a better yeah, like a coach? Yeah, yeah, Look
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: I thought they should have moved on from both. I
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: thought that the clock had destruck midnight on that on
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: that org, and it was like restart before Josh Allen
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: gets too old or ass out. I want to get
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: into that in a second, but only firing one and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: the wrong one if I had to keep one. But
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: it's tough to keep the coach, not the GM, because
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: the GM wants his coach. But like, look at what
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: that roster is. You can't keep being and then the
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: press conference and throwing coaches under the bus and things
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: like that, like it's it's not surprised they became a
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: big job.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: They made it an unattractive job, so it was an
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: attractive job.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Well, and they made it. I don't think any team,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think any coaching jobs unattractive for reasons other
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: than organizational stability.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the jobs not I guess it's a
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: chicken or the egg thing. Yeah, like if the rosters
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: in shambles then most of the time, but like I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: didn't think, you know, like like here, like like this
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: is not an unstable or anything like close to that.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: And the roster, if you look at the twenty twenty
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: four roster, you probably would have thought the roster was.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Bad, your boy stable organization. They got the top coach
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: on the market. Yeah, even when there wasn't much there
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: for the roster. Now this becomes a thing and you're
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: gonna roll your eyes And a lot of people have
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  Speaker 1: rolled their eyes at me for this take, but this
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  Speaker 1: this is real. Yeah, sure you have Josh Allen. Buffalo's
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  Speaker 1: now in a second coach, Lamar Jackson, and Baltimore is
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  Speaker 1: now in a second coach Zach Taylor somehow still holding on.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know how long is Zach gona lost?
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  Speaker 1: And we know Joe Burrow on our sub level of
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  Speaker 1: dissatisfaction with that organization. Yeah, all three of those guys
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  Speaker 1: have to be looking at Matthew Stafford and saying.
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  Speaker 2: You were already going there. Yeah not this year.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna do it this year, but
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  Speaker 1: the Lions, historically dysfunctional, historically have not been winners. He
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  Speaker 1: had to get out of there to win.
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  Speaker 2: At what point?
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  Speaker 1: Point to Alan burrowin Mahomes and maybe maybe the coaching
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  Speaker 1: hire's work.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think Lamar is a lot closer to that,
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  Speaker 2: So it.
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  Speaker 1: Can be I can be Dan Marino stay here not win.
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  Speaker 1: I can be John Elways hope I win down the road,
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  Speaker 1: or do I be Matthew Stafford and go somewhere that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna give me a chance to win? Right now? And
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  Speaker 1: all three of those organizations you mentioned, the higher maybe
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  Speaker 1: being about appeasing Josh Allen, all three of those organizations
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  Speaker 1: have to be cognizant of their quarterbacks. Used to not leave.
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  Speaker 1: Brady left Rogers left the doors open to these guys.
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  Speaker 1: Now you cannot let that door open for those guys.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we gotta wrap it up. Patriot's Unfiltered. It'll
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  Speaker 2: all of this. I'm sure we'll talk some Belichick as well.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to give you another reminder before we
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  Speaker 2: sign off next week in San Francisco on Radio Row
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  Speaker 2: seven to nine Eastern seven O five catch twenty two
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  Speaker 2: live from the super Bowl. We're really looking forward to that,
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  Speaker 2: definitely excited. Can't wait. Are you going Sunday? I'm going
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  Speaker 2: Sunday as well. That's the plan, right storm, But we'll
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  Speaker 2: see you guys then, can't wait.
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