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Do You Want The Best Tactical Games Rifle Set Up? Start Here! | Dustin Sanchez With JP Rifles · Discomfort Required

• Trent: Welcome to Discomfort Required. I have Dustin Sanchez, from JP Rifles on today. Dustin. I really appreciate you coming on and hanging out with me for probably next hour and a half or so. before we get into it, Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, my pleasure, man. Trent: what have you been having going on lately with work? Dustin Sanchez: Well, you know, JP is is big in the tactical games right now. so I've been to I think they have fifteen or sixteen matches total on their schedule. I've been to over half of I I think I just missed my first match with those guys, except for the Europe matches since I think May. Other than that, you know, j right now J our market, one of our biggest markets is gonna be pistol caliber carbine, so PCC. We've got the GMR, but we have a JP five, which is a roller delayed AR that's kind of like a MP5 stuffed into a an AR. So Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: between the tactical games in USPSA IDPA type matches, man they've just got me all over the the world. I was in Europe for like 35 days, and then I've been all over the United States talking about whether it's PCC or talking about the tactical games. We do a lot in three gun, we do a lot in two gun. So you name it, I've I've literally been everywhere promoting JP, promoting the shooting sports and just having a good time. I'm trying to live my best life. Trent: I love it. I love it. That is a hell of a job to have. I mean, you get to travel, you get to shoot some guns, you get to hang out with some really cool people. That's that's super awesome. me and my wife, we're we're just starting to get into the tactical games. I've been a CrossFit coach and doing CrossFit for since 2014. And it's kinda like I feel like it's a natural progression for some crossfit people, right? So it's like we get kind of bored doing crossfit and like, let's do something super challenging that we haven't done before, right? Like, so we're just getting into shooting and it's it's been So fun. And the more and more tactical games people that I meet and having them on the show, it's like the community is so tight. It's so cool. I like I I really, really love it. so we asked this of everybody that comes on, what does discomfort required mean to you? Dustin Sanchez: well, I mean, look, you guys are coming from CrossFit into shooting. I'm going from shooting into I guess CrossFit. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: so if I look at discomfort and we're talking about the tactical games, it's just waking up at four in the morning to try to get to the gym at five AM so I can I can do a workout. so that's my you know, on the on the tactical game side of discomfort, but Trent: Ha ha. Dustin Sanchez: out You know, outside of that, if I just look at just shooting, the shooting discipline in general, for me, what the discomfort required is it's gonna be dry fire, you know. there's days and nights that a dry fire is just it's rough. It's rough and it's very it's just one of those things that's very I don't know discomfort, but it's just a rough thing to do every night, try to get in ten to fifteen minutes of dry fire every night with a pistol or an AR if you're you know, when I was doing shotgun, trying to get the shotgun stuff in. So it's it's a lot of work. Trent: Yeah. And it's a it's not the sexy stuff either. It's not like you like Dustin Sanchez: It's not Trent: it's, you know, it's all dialing skill and mechanics and all those all those things. me and my wife are out in the garage on Sunday doing some dry fire stuff and she has a Mantis X and we're playing with that and I just got a new pistol that's gonna be my carry pistol, so it's like much smaller. So I have a TTI combat, that's my one for that I'm gonna be using for the tactical games, and then I got a very, very small canic. For my carry, and I'm like trying to adapt to something so tiny compared to something that's so big. I'm like, Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: this is a whole different story. so Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, for sure. I mean, Dry Fire's a different game, for sure. so I get it. Trent: it really is. Yeah. it's it's it's fun and like having a mantis it makes it a little bit more fun. Like you're like, I get a little bit of challenges and things, but it's pretty cool. Dustin Sanchez: have you guys tried tried out Dry Fire King on YouTube? Trent: I have not. Dustin Sanchez: So check out it's it's just go to YouTube, go to Dry Fire King. Now it's a little different because it's gonna be like Ipsic USPSA style stages, but it's like a ten or fifteen minute dry fire and they run different courses and they got a part-time that goes on and off for you. So it's really good for pistol, you can do it with a rifle. It's primarily for pistol, but I'll do like PCC, I'll do my rifle. you can even get on there, you know, with your pistol and do a lot of training. But if you're looking for something and you're like, I just wanna work on target transition, and have something that's interactive, Dry Fire King is pretty cool 'cause they got some moving targets and all that in there. Trent: that's dope. Yeah, I'm gonna definitely check that out. Hell yeah. That just that just made my life so much better and more fun, right? Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. Trent: What's up, guys? Today's episode is brought to you by RAR Athletics. RAR got really tired of what was happening in the fitness space, especially in the online fitness space. There's too many coaches out there taking advantage of their people and not giving them the results that they want or need or, you know, just trying to break them. So RAR has a no bullshit approach when it comes to fitness, nutrition, and mindset coaching. They are out there to be there for you. They care and they want to help. So check them out, raarathletics.com. Get on there. Free discovery call. Whether you're looking for nutrition or fitness or mindset or whatever it is, they're there to help. Again, raarathletics.com, check them out. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: so Dustin, how did you get into shooting sports? Dustin Sanchez: you know, I was doing it's funny. I was doing mixed martial arts with a friend. his name's Tyler Payne. hims dad, his whole family, they are shooters. His brother shoots for the Army Marksmanship unit. And you know, we were just doing that and we both kind of made a a a career change at that time and doing mixed martial arts was something that in our career they both kind of wanted us to to step away from. so we're like, hey, what else is there to do? His dad invited us to shoot a three-gun match, local three gun match. Wit shot a local three gun match, had a blast, wanted to shoot another one, and then before I knew it, I was hooked and I was shooting, you know, every month I was shooting a local three gun match, and then I went and shot my first major three gun match that year, got absolutely destroyed. but I was hooked, right? Like the environment just kind of sucks you in. The adrenaline rush. In like actually doing something and you see these people just excel at it, just like really excel at it, and you're like, I feel like I can get there. What do I have to do to get to that point? and it gives it g kind of gave me a task and something to like start looking forward to and and chasing. And naturally like everybody, I went the wrong way. I thought I needed to buy all the nice guns and not do all of the fundamental work. And now I'm opposite where I'm just focusing on the fundamentals. Trent: And and just happen to have all the nice guns, you know, so it works out really well. Dustin Sanchez: I well, I I I I I've been I've I've been blessed and and lucky to to be in the position I'm in now. But yes, I do have all the nice guns, but it it's back to the fundamentals. Trent: Well, for sure. So how did you how did this lead to being your career? Right. So I know like shooting guns is super fun, but how did like how did that transpire to where you're at, where you're at? Dustin Sanchez: I you know, again, I I've been blessed. I I've been very lucky. I've had I've made the made the, you know, the proper impressions on the on the right people. I've had friends that were in the right spot at the right time and I happen to be in the right spot at the right time. And John Paul of JP Rifles. His name's John Paul and Gangle. He's a he lo he shoots locally, or at the time he was shooting local all the time. And happened to meet him there. And then I had some other friends that actually got on at JP and then my friend Nathan Payne, his dad, when he retired from being chief of police, he went to work at JP and called me one day and asked me if I was interested in coming in to work, and I said, sure. So I went in, did an interview, and you know, I called called a lot of people 'cause I was like, I don't know if I want to go work for a rifle manufacturer. and they were you know, they all told me they're like, hey, like, give it six months. If you don't like six months, come back to doing what you're doing and at least you've you've got a story to tell. so I gave it six months and that's been about almost God, it feels yeah, it's been almost eleven years now. Trent: what position did you have when you started the company? Dustin Sanchez: so they brought me in to do sub assembly. So making like our sonic capture systems and things like that. However, the first day because I'd been working for Caterpillar and been turning wrenches my entire life, they're like, Hey, let's just put you over here with everybody building rifles. Let's let you learn from Brian Payne since you already know him. I just picked up on it really fast and then before I knew it, I was just in the shop every day building. I had my own bench and I was learning from the gunsmith next to me and and the gunsmith, you know, kinda we kinda all face each other, so I was f learning from all you know, the two gunsmiths how to cut and crown, turn barrels, build the rifle, do everything the JP way, you know, meeting the JP specs and everything and I just never left that spot. I was just there for probably f I think close to four years. I was just A rifle tech is what we would call it. Yeah. Trent: That's awesome. And then that progressed on to like being brand manager and all th all all things like that. Dustin Sanchez: You know, it's been a long journey. Trent: Usually is, right? Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. No, I started doing like these stop motion things on my Instagram of some of the builds I was doing. And then John Paul's oldest son, his name's Jesse Gangle. He is he was director of marketing. He asked me if I could do some of that on their social media with an another employee. So we just kind of jumped in on their social media knowing nothing about marketing. And we ran with it and we we grew their account pretty fast for that time period we were there and then they pulled me out of the shop, moved me into marketing, and then from there working with a another really good friend of my s of mine, I learned how to write code, how to edit, how to do photography videos, actually be in front of the camera. so it was all it was a whole thing and then I actually left for a couple of years and went and worked at Real Avid on they make tools for building and cleaning. all that and while I was doing that I still contracted with JP doing a lot of marketing. and then I left real avid and I just switched roles again. I went back to JP as brand manager and now I just contract for real avid. And like I said it's just been a a very long process and you know some speed bumps here and there learning and some learning curves but it's been a good time. Trent: That's it sounds awesome. Like it sounds like I mean a good adventure, right? I mean, it could be an entire Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Trent: shit show. So I mean, at least at least it's not that. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, no, I think you make the best of it, right? Whatever you're gonna do, it's it's Trent: Raw, for sure. Dustin Sanchez: if you enjoy what you do, you'll find a way to succe be successful at it. Trent: I I I believe that 100%. a lot of people fall into the trap of dreading work and it's like, just make the most of it, right? Like if if you hate it that much, find something that you do enjoy and go try to do that, you know? And then, you know, you can be successful. I promise. It's not that hard. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well I I look, I I tell everybody like I I have a dream job, I love what I do. A lot of people would love to have my job, but even with my job, there are days where I'm like, ugh like what am I like why am I doing this, right? it's Trent: Mm. Dustin Sanchez: but you're gonna you're gonna find that in every job you do, every career, you're gonna just have those days that it doesn't go the way you want it to go. And you know, you just get in there and grind away and knock out that project and get ready to go again. Trent: Exactly. JP's been around for decades. what do you think JP understood about the rifle performance before the rest of the industry kind of caught up? Dustin Sanchez: well John Paul is he's one of the smartest guys I have ever met and He when he was going to school here in Minnesota, he went to kind of a a military school and they were doing rim fire in the basement. They had a range down there and so that was part of you know, that's part of his thing. He had to shoot and he's just he's just a marksman. Like j you give John Paul any firearm and h even, you know, at his age, he's still gonna be competing in and being able to like just shoot this rifle or pistol, whatever, and be like, well, you know, I felt like it was doing this and this. He can he just understand the the mechanics of a firearm. I don't know how to explain it. You know, the the easiest way for me to explain is like watching the the movie with I can't remember it's like one of those F one movies. And he could tell like one of the tires was low by, you know, like five Psi, right? Like that's how John Paul is with firearms. And so whenever he hated ARs, like hated ARs. And he ended up buying a gun shop and had nothing to do with ARs. He thought they were like the the you know, the ugly stepchild, like the redheaded stepchild, just didn't want have anything to do with them. And Trent: For sure. Dustin Sanchez: and one of his employees brought one in on trade and he was just like, you know, like when you hear him tell a story, he's like he was just disgusted by. is. Couldn't believe they did that. Well then he finally was like, you took it off the shelf, went down into the basement, started messing with it, went to the range and shot it and was like, how can I make this better? So he took the whole thing apart and just, you know, with his brain, just started playing around with it and taking what he knew from bolt guns and pistols and adding that, trying to add those elements to an AR. and then, you know, before he knew it, he was just kind of making his own parts with his his his dad. They used a can to diagram a put like a one of our you know it's called a recoil eliminator they made it out of a can and then they welded it out of some other material threw it on a 30 30 aught six and we're like my god that's so great and then you know from there it just kind of progressed was like how can we make every every AR out there how can we make them whether it's shoot flat or be more accurate be more reliable he just started going down this rabbit hole and through that process You know, he made really good friends with Randy Luth, who was you know operating DPMS at the time right here in Minnesota. We're about an hour away from each other, so just working closely with him. he brought on Dave Kamick, we call him employee number one. that guy Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: is a a gun nut. he's got every every gun almost you could think of. He has them. And you know, they like he just had you know a lot of the people around him that cared about the sport, loved the sport, and they were all wanting to work and make a better and I think it's just a lot of times you know we we do some things and we fail and a lot of people give up and John Paul doesn't give up. If he fails he wants to know why he failed, he wants to know why it didn't work and how can we take, you know, those lessons there and apply them to being successful. And and it it goes with every part, right? I mean from know we started out with muzzle devices and then it went into you know bolt carriers and bolts and SES which is our our sonic capture system it's a buffer to our barrels and our hand guards our receivers like everything in there he wants a tile tighter tolerance he wants to understand every you know everything's going on like if it's dragging in a place why does it drag? Does it need to drag? We should we eliminate it? How do we eliminate it from the coatings and you know it's the the same process he was doing then we still do now. Everything gets tested over and over and over again before we're like, hey, it's good to go. We can put that on the market now. Trent: That is so cool. Like, what a cool story. I love engineer brains like that. how can we how can we make this better? And then just constantly striving and failing and progressing, failing and progressing. And it's like, that is so, so cool. That's one of the reasons why I started this podcast, like specifically, Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: is I want to talk to people that, you know, don't take failure and they they turn it into something great. That's that that's the thing that I want to inspire people with that. Like have cool people on like you. And talk about cool stuff. so what do you think the biggest misconcep misconception is that people have about building a truly high performance AR? Dustin Sanchez: Like just in general? man, well Trent: Yeah. Like what's the biggest misconception? Dustin Sanchez: yeah. Well that w this now we're getting into Now we're getting into this area where it's you know all perception. Like some people look at it and be like, well, this manufacturer has a government contract, so they're the best. Or this company has won the all, you know, they're they've got the top shooters on the team, so they're the best. and you know, on both of those sides, it's different, right? We we we go after military or government or LEO contracts. It's not always about Who's the best? Sometimes it's about the budget that they have. Sometimes it's about who you know and what's going on there. you know, on the on the government side. And I'm not saying that's all the time. Don't I don't anybody take that that way. There's some guys that the government, they, you know, these contracts, they have the money, they they test it, it it passes all the parameters they have. So that is the best product for that contract. Perfect. Same thing on the shooter side, right? I w we have Jacob Pepner is one of our shooters. We got Kurt Fanilla. I've got a fun a lot of tactical game athletes that are some of the best at tactical games. But those guys, if they didn't put all of the work in It doesn't matter if they were running a JP or they were running something else. If they're not doing their part from the workouts to the training to the dry fire to their nutrition, it doesn't matter what gun I give them, they're not gonna win. you know, on on the flip side, it's When you know Kurt Finell, him and I were talking, he was just up here, we were training, we were doing some two-gun stuff because he's really trying to push the the two-gan two-gun part of his training for the tactical games. And we're talking about barrel accuracy. And so some people are happy with the barrel that shoots exactly one MOA with let's say a 77 grain. They're yeah, one moa, I'm good. And then Kurt and I are over here like, Well If I lap my barrel and then I go and I shoot 15 different round, like 15 different manufacturers or handloads, whatever, different types of ammo. They're 77, 75, 69s, whatever, and I find one that shoots sub-MOA. Well then I wanna run the sub-MOA because that margin of error is smaller, right? So now no matter what what I do over here, like if I could be making a mistake here, but because my rifle shoots better, I'm shooting more, you know, or I'm shooting more here. But if Trent: Mm. Dustin Sanchez: my if I'm shooting at one MOA, maybe I'm shooting a two MOA group now, based on whatever's going on. So I think i i the biggest, you know, misconception there, and that's the same thing with pistols and and everything, is that No matter what gear you have, if you're not willing to go that extra mile to do what you need to do, it doesn't matter what gear you have. You're ne you're never gonna get there. Trent: Right. How fun would it be to like take all the top tactical games dudes and people, give them all five hundred dollar ARs and see how good they do? Dustin Sanchez: Did. That would be good. I I would enjoy it. Mm-hmm. Trent: That would be awesome. Yeah. Like all the same exact gun across the board. So nobody had any anything and just like, okay, let's see let's see how good everybody does. I think that'd be super cool. Nick Thayer, if you're listening, let's do it. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. So there NRA Yeah, right? so there used to be a match. It was called i I think it just came back, but it was the NRA multi-gun championship, something like that. And the way it worked was every sponsor, they had their own stage. And so they brought their own demo rifles to that stage. So you would fly to this match and you would not shoot, you would not bring any of your rifles, any of your pistols, any of your shotguns. You ran all of these different manufacturers' firearms. And that's who they would crown the champion was the person that won that match by shooting everybody else's firearms. And Trent: That's that's what I'm talking about. That that's that's some skill, right? That would be super awesome. Man. Dustin Sanchez: Dude. It's super cool. Yeah. Right, yeah. So it it's super cool. Yeah. Trent: I think I think we should, you know, plot on getting one of these things to to happen just for like a like an exhibition weekend or whatever. Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, of course. In instead of using five hundred dollar arrows, we should just use JP's. Let's let's just throw that out there. Yeah. Trent: There there we go. Everybody's using JPs. Okay, so here's a question. Suppressed or not? Dustin Sanchez: so it depends. tactical games, suppressed. if I'm gonna shoot Trent: Why is that? Dustin Sanchez: P Well, because I can't run a comp. in the tactical games, they won't let me run a comp. So I might as well run a suppressor. and let's be honest, some some suppressors out there now with the you know, the way they're being built, they are You know, they're they are reducing some recoil that you're not gonna get out of a flash hat or anything like that. So from that aspect, going into a suppressor that will reduce some of that that recoil, the muzzle rise. I definitely want to go with that for the tactical games. Now, if I'm shooting PCSL, there's a couple different divisions, and if I wanted to shoot like their They're open division. I'm gonna go comp. a comp is always I can get a rifle that is shooting at fifty yards, I can shoot 15 splits and do double alpha with with the with the proper comp on there. I can't do that with a suppressor. Trent: Clear. Dustin Sanchez: so it it it really, you know, for me, I know this tactical games base. So tactical games base, I'm going suppressed. actually, this is what I'm playing with right now for next month in October. I think I'm actually gonna run this rifle instead of this. one here but I I will be suppressed. Yeah. Trent: Okay. Red on. That's awesome. you're also doing the tactical games? Dustin Sanchez: You know, Jacob Heppner likes to run his mouth and in in in a fun way and talk talk crap. Trent: Right. Dustin Sanchez: And he has a way of talking crap in front of the right people that will pure pressure you into doing things you don't want to do. So yes, I'm shooting Trent: for sure. You know. awesome. Dustin Sanchez: in October against Heppner. Trent: Perfect. Dustin Sanchez: that the mango thing is him and I are going against each other. but I am making him he's not allowed to shoot a JP. I needed to handicap him. So I I told him he had to shoot a M1 Grand or an M1 Grand clone. So he does have Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: it. It's in a 308. I don't think he's shown it to anybody on his social media. He has been shooting it. I've seen it. but I I am excited to see him in October running around with this M1 Grand clone that he's gonna that I'm making him shoot instead of his JP. Yeah. Trent: That's awesome. I love I I I I love the f friendly rivalry. That's super cool. So I'm Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: I've been doing CrossFit forever. It's like Jacob is hilarious, has always been hilarious, and it's like he's he was my Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: one of my favorite CrossFitters anyway. So like it just works out that he's in this sport now. So that's pretty pretty awesome. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, he he's a great guy. but everybody like if you've ever wat if you've you know, followed him, ever gotta have talk like conversations with him or just pay attention to him when he's at the tactical games, he definitely talks a lot of crap in a very, very friendly Trent: Ha ha ha. Dustin Sanchez: way. so I I think it's gonna be a blast in October, him and I just running around talking crap to each other and having fun. 'Cause at the end of the day, that's what the sport's about. so let's just go have fun. Trent: I love it. That's super cool. so Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: when JP builds a rifle for competition, what are the things they obsess over that the average shooter probably doesn't even notice? Dustin Sanchez: Well, you know, w we're gonna start with accuracy. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: we we definitely obsess over accuracy. it doesn't matter how the rifle fits and feels and it could be the most reliable thing out there, but if it's if it's not accurate, you're not gonna wanna run want to run a JP. from accuracy, we're gonna kinda move into the reliability and in the perceived recoil that you're Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: gonna get out of the rifle. that all kind of ties in together. Trent: I live in Seattle and we are moving to Boise in April, which I can't wait for many, many number of reasons. because Seattle sucks. But Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: I I have a fixed mag rifle. It's what I have to have here. Dark Storm made a pr really good rifle. I love it. it shoots well. The fact that like I have to have a fixed mag is such a pain in the ass. So it's like every time I go to the range, there's somebody new there and they see me break my rifle in half and they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing? I'm like, yeah, just Dustin Sanchez: Ha ha. Trent: just loading it. Don't worry about me. Everything's fine. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Trent: When's JP gonna make one of those? Probably never. Dustin Sanchez: No, w you know, we we've we comply we've complied with everybody, you know, all the as many states as we can. Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: but yeah, man, I we we used to play around with some of those in the shop when I was building for California. 'Cause they had to have the fixed ones in there and yeah, you're right. That that was that was a pain in the butt. Trent: It's so what what's crazy is like the ones in California, if you have a like blade handle, right? So like not like a pistol grip, you can have a detachable magazine, but it can only be ten Dustin Sanchez: Correct, yep. Trent: rounds. Right. Here, you did none of that matters. Like you have a fixed mag or you don't have anything at all. If you're buying something new, Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: if it was prior to the band, you could have whatever you want. But like you're you're you're just stuck with it. And you're like, Well, that's lovely. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: So one one of the many many, many reasons that I can't wait to move. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Trent: if you gave an experienced shooter three grand and told them build the best rifle you can for competition, where would you tell them to spend their money and where would you tell them not to? Dustin Sanchez: Well, naturally from JP, I just tell you I have that rifle for you. just come see me. Trent: Right. Dustin Sanchez: 'cause it's there. You know, if if if I wasn't at JP and I You know, that one that one's hard 'cause I I I truly bleed the black and red colors of JP. I am hardcore diehard JP fan. I think I only have two rifles in here that are not JPs and they're bolt guns. Trent: So yeah, let me rephrase it a little bit. So in when it comes to taking like here's that three grand, what would you tell them to spend it on aside from the rifle? Like all of the bells and the whistles and shit, what would you tell them to like, okay, you need to spend your money on this, don't spend your money on this? Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, well, I mean, look, i if you have three grand total. Unless is that count like an optic and everything? if you got three grand, I'm gonna tell you to find a rifle. Go go buy any AR. Let's put let's shoot shoot it for accuracy, find out if we need to do anything with a barrel first. so you can buy a five hundred dollar AR find a buy a used one, we'll change out, possibly go adjustable gas block, we'll do a low mass operating system, we'll put the JP SES in there, we'll put a real a nicer trigger in there. and then you're gonna put the rest of that money into optics. Is is is how I'd look at that. Yeah. Trent: Yeah. Yeah, good call. Yeah. I yeah, I would do the same thing. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: no, I would probably buy a dope ass rifle and then figure figure that out the Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Trent: optic later. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah, well yeah. And and the funny thing is a lot of people just know us for complete rifles, but we actually make we're you know, every every part that we build with the JP you could buy from us for an individual part. So th there's a lot of times I tell people like we do a thing called the war against recoil. So if you're shooting the tactical games, what that would be for you is gonna be an adjustable gas block. It's gonna be complete low mass operating system, so a complete carrier from JP and our silent capture spring, our SES. right that right there will make a huge difference in your rifle. You're gonna be right around I mean you should be if you're going suppressed or not suppressed right around that that does change a little bit, but you should be sitting right around $500 for a really nice upgrade on any rifle that you're you're shooting and you'd be very happy with how that how that should. Yeah man, that's like Trent: Sign me up. Dustin Sanchez: we can do that. we we've done it with a lot of rifles because it it's It's it's the easiest way and the fastest way to make upgrades to your rifle so you can go out there and shoot and compete at a decent level and and just love the sport until you're ready to do the whole buy once, cry once thing that everybody talks about. Yeah. Trent: Yeah, for sure. yeah, like I spent a good amount of money on my rifle only because they specifically w if I move to a state that doesn't have to have be compliant, I can send my lower to them and they're gonna send me a lower back. That is the the which is dope. And I'm like, hey, that Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trent: that that you sold me on that. but if JP Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. We Trent: had a rifle that had a fixed mag, I would have bought that in a heartbeat. Just just putting that out there. No, don't be. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah, sorry. But you know, going to that, talk talking about that right, so this even though this is a complete JP here, this was a twenty inch JP up until last Thursday. and Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: I actually pulled the barrel out. So I was running it for for PRS or like like sniper challenges and stuff like that. So it had a 20 Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: inch we had a a variable carrier a variable mass carrier in here and a really heavy SES and we put a 16 it's a different barrel. It's like 16.69. It's something we're testing. I went with a different gas block because I wanted to keep my original gas block with that 20 inch so I bought a new gas block, changed it over to a low mass carrier and went with a lighter SES. so pretty much what I talked to you about that I would do is exactly what I did with this rifle just in case I wanted to shoot this for the tactical games. I wanted to bring it down. Yeah. So Trent: Yeah, and that is a butte. For sure. Dustin Sanchez: yeah. But so yeah I mean you you could do that and Have a nice rifle. I mean, you don't have to change the barrel. I I change the barrel 'cause I don't want to run a twenty inch at the tactical games. That's just way too much. Yeah. Yeah. So Trent: Yeah. That makes sense. What what so what ideally for the tactical games would it be a sixteen or a fourteen and a half? Dustin Sanchez: well. 16 inch is what a lot of people are buying right now. we actually have this guy right here is something a lot of people are getting from us. So this is a 16-inch with an ilm lock. And the reason I like people to do the 16 inch is because we don't have to do pin and weld. so you can just if you want to go flash hider, you can. But if you decide you're gonna go to a suppressor, you can pull this flash hider off, throw a suppressor on there, you're good to go. It's got a full mass carrier, a little SES, ambidextrous controls, three-pound trigger. And adjustable gas block. So 16 inch is definitely what I would I would suggest because you don't have to worry about any SBR stuff. Now, if if you don't care about SBR stuff, right? let's say you're one a gun and just have a lot of fun with, then I would do this setup here. This is a 11-inch with a suppressor Trent: Hell yeah. Dustin Sanchez: on it. That goes you know, it's got an adjustable gas block, it's got a low mass carrier in it, SES, top charge, side charge, but the eleven inches is I really like eleven inch. So this full this total length right here is seventeen inches with the barrel in the suppressor on it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So yeah, this is a fun little guy. Yeah. Trent: Okay. With it with a suppressor. Gotcha. That's dope. That's also a butte. Dustin Sanchez: I want I got I got that one from John Paul. Trent: nice. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah, so. Trent: That's awesome. Dustin Sanchez: I think everything will stay there. So yeah. So I mean Trent: Like as long as it all doesn't just start falling over. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. I think at the end of the day, really what it comes down to with a rifle is find a rifle that fits you really well. and when I say that, people are like, you know, they think about the stock and the opting, you I'm talking about something that's balanced. That when you punch out on it, it feels very natural to you and you can move any direction with it. And weight shouldn't matter. So there's a video of me shooting a team stage with Abe on my Instagram. And I shot this 18-inch on that stage. Now this rifle weighs 12 pounds sitting this way with this optic on it right now. I did have a different optic on it, but it it's a press too. I throw a suppressor on it. It's a heavy rifle though. It it's heavier than a lot of the rifles you're gonna see out there, but it's extremely well balanced. And I feel like when I run with this, everything is just just feels really good. It feels very natural for me to shoot this. So I tell people like it doesn't matter really to a certain degree. what it is you're shooting, as long as the rifle feels good to you and you can Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: maneuver with it in and out of a VTAC or any of the, you know, barricades, you can shoot from a tank trap, you can do a running gun stage with it. you can go prone, whatever it is, like as long as that rifle feels comfortable to you, then I think you've got a really good setup. So if if you get 11 inch or 10 and a half and it's a press and the whole thing's balanced and it fits great for you and you shoot it really well, then that's rifle. for you. You don't always have Trent: yeah, for sure. Dustin Sanchez: to go chase what everybody else has out there. Trent: Yeah. we're trying to figure out what to get my wife, right? So sh when she shoots mine, she's she goes to like five shots and she's like, My arms are tired. And I'm like, I get it. It's just like it's just not a good fit for you. I I to I understand. But Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Trent: like we're it's what we got, so we're we're just gonna keep ripping with it. And w she's not gonna buy a rifle until until we move, obviously, for plenty of reasons. But I'm like, we're gonna just try a bunch of rifles, see what we like, and then we're gonna go from there. And she's like, that that Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: sounds pretty good. The the range that we're a part of Here in Bellevue, it's just right outside of Seattle, our membership includes gun rentals. So it's like they have a plethora of guns, we get we get a test all kinds of fun stuff. I don't think they have any JPs there though, which that's kind of unfortunate. That's a bummer. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, you know, see see we just stay away from some of those states unfortunately, just 'cause Trent: Yeah. Makes sense. Dustin Sanchez: you know, it's like the paperwork and everything you gotta do. In in we have a lot of people like, you don't want No, we support y'all. It's just We're still a business. We still have people that are going and if anything goes wrong going to that state, we may never like you may never get that rifle. We may never get the rifle back and then who's Trent: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: out of all the money and everything. So sometimes it's just easier for us to just kinda support those states the best that we can. and i it just doesn't always work out. But you know s Trent: I mean Dustin Sanchez: a great drill for you and your wife act wife actually. is this is a drill that I like to do so it's I'll I'll take whatever rifle it is that I'm shooting with at that time. So if I'm gonna be shooting PCC like this my PCC, I'll punch out on a target and I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna hold this rifle as long as possible on the target without moving. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: And I'm just gonna hold it there for as long as possible. And then I'm gonna set it down, take a little break, and I'm gonna come back up and do it again. The best way for me to explain it is this is the same as like a plank in my head, right? Like I wanna hold this as long as I can, really start to engage those muscles and figure out how how to hold this rifle the best and get actually get those muscles in my body to fire properly to hold that rifle nice and steady. Trent: Right. it's funny 'cause like I mean, we we obviously do fitness and we're, you know, decently strong and then it comes to this and we're like, we just don't use those muscles ever. Right. So like that that's the thing, Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Trent: you know. If someone listening wants to get really, really, really good with a rifle, not just own cool gear, what would you tell them to start doing tomorrow? Okay. Yeah, d don't wait. Dustin Sanchez: Dry fire. You should start tonight. Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire. Yeah, don't wait. Every time we wait, we we just lost a day. it's dry fire. At the end of the day, it's gonna start with dry fire. Now the the caveat to that is dry fire doesn't tell us anything that the the rifle or the pistol's doing. but it is a great way for us to get more familiar with the firearm, understand transitions, understand the low ready or punching up or you know, loading a mag, dropping a mag, clearing, right? We we want that to just become natural to us. but you do need to take that and then go to the range and shoot. And then at the range, a lot of people will show up and they're gonna load mags at the range and then they're gonna shoot. And I suggest you should load your mags the night before. Load all of the mags up that you have. And put a game plan together of what you're going to focus on. And that is your whole goal for that entire session. A lot of people want to say, I'm going to go to the range and I'm going to spend three hours at the range. Well It it's hard to do a three hour session without, you know, start getting you know, your mind starts wandering and you start doing something Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: else. So put everything together, put a game plan together, practice the dry fire drills for the week leading up to that range session if you can't go for a week. Dry fire the drills that you want to do up to that night, and then the next night you can go to the range, and that should be a 45 minute to maybe an hour range session of you focusing purely on those drills that you've been doing for dry fire to confirm everything that. you've been trying to learn in Dry Fire. And then if you see that you're making mistakes or anything like that, you write it down, you put make a you know, you make that note. Then you go back the next night and you're gonna evaluate, you know, the what your notes from the range and you're gonna figure out what you need to do in Dry Fire to correct those bad habits you've been creating. Correct. Yep. Yep. Trent: Yeah, just like an after action, right? You know, it totally makes sense. Yeah. And it's it what's funny is I've talked to plenty of people and they're Yeah, I'm at the range for like four or five hours. And I'm like, how much money are you going through going through that many rounds to be there for that long? I'm like, I go to the r I go to the range, we're there for 45 minutes or an hour, and I'm like, okay, my eyes are tired. Like, you know, I I've I've Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trent: reached my limit and this is it, I'm not doing any better at this point. I'm like, pull the trigger and I'm just gonna go home. That's the that's the way I go about it. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Now part two to that, part two to that would be find some phenomenal trainers, right? not always the best shooters are the best trainers. Sometimes So there's some good shooters, but they are some of the best trainers. So find some of the trainers, pay the money, go spend the weekend with them and train with those guys and and let them teach you how to shoot and how to work through certain types of stages or style of shooting because they've been doing it for years and this is what they're getting paid to do. So like find some good shooters, go spend time with them, learn from them, and then take that back and apply that to your dry fire again. Trent: I think having a good coach is like the key to everything, honestly. Good Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: mentor, good coach is just what you do. Okay, so what is your loadout gonna be for the tactical games? What's your pistol gonna be like, what's your rifle gonna be like, and what kind of rounds are you gonna be throwing down range? Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, so right now I am waiting on a new pistol to come in. It's the CZ TS3. It should have been here last week. It didn't show up. So for right now, I'm gonna be running my CZ Shadow 2. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: I know it's not a 2011. Everybody's mind's like Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: I'm actually selling my 2011s currently right now. so the CZ Shadow 2, I really like it. I've put a lot of time into the trigger, the grips. It's it's heavier. so this is what I'm gonna shoot. And then Trent: Nice. Dustin Sanchez: right now I'm I'm playing around with a couple different types of ammo. because I've been shooting groups because I wanna make sure like I'm not just gonna show up with some ammo and that shoots shoots okay groups. I wanna show with the ammo that shoots really well out of that pistol. So I've Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: tried I think I'm like 16 different types of ammo right now. The best Trent: Whew, that's a lot. Dustin Sanchez: that the yeah the best right now that it's shooting is a 135 from zeroed zeroed ammo. Trent: Okay? Dustin Sanchez: and close to that is from Supervell. It's a it's actually their PCC blitz, so it's a hundred grain and it's just screaming super fast. But those two Trent: Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: those two Those two types of ammo are shooting the best group. So I'm gonna keep playing with those and see. You know, I'm probably gonna I've got a I wanna put probably a case of nine millimeter through those pistols or of each of those rounds through this pistol until I get it where it needs to be. and I'll Trent: Mm. Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: figure out by the time I get there what I'm gonna do. As far as rifle goes, you know, I've been shooting this. So this is my 18 inch. so this is a JP PSC upper, so it's got a top charge. Then it also has our non-reciprocating side charge. Trent: Legit. Dustin Sanchez: Amadex race controls 18-inch. I've got my Burris PTS or XDR PS on here, and then an offset. I did modify this MDT stock to fit on here. I just had to cut it off here because so I could actually charge it. I really, really like this rifle. It shoots extremely good groups. However, it is an 18-inch barrel. I don't want to pull the barrel because I want to throw my comp on here and shoot some two guns after that. So I'm going to stick it there, leave it there so i just built that 16 inch that i was talking to you about right here that i'm currently playing with now they are a little different but it's it's pretty balanced as well it is a not so there is no top charger on this one so it's side charge only So I'm playing with this. This is a 16, I think it's 16.69. adjustable gas block, of course, low mass carry. We kind of went through all that. But the stock's a little different. I may modify and put the other stock on there, but I'm not sure yet. I'm gonna play around with it and shoot it and and kind of see what I think. But I will be at the range tomorrow running both of these rifles pretty hard. For me, the trigger is the same, the handguard's the same, the grips will be the same, safety selectors the same, optics the same. So there's just a couple of little things I'm dealing with there that I've gotta figure out what I wanna do. Trent: Cool. And what what am are you gonna have in that? Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. It's a great question. Right now I'm playing with some seventy sevens from Hornady. They're shooting they're shooting a point, I think it was a point six five group Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: right now. But I have some seventy-five grain coming to me that a guy shot it out of some J he built specifically made this round for some JPs. And it's shooting he said he's getting a point four something out of it. So I've got some of those coming. Those are in 75. Now this 18 inch shoots 69s really, really well. But I've also heard that Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: this particular barrel here shoots fifty-three grain the most accurately. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: so I don't know. That's what I'll be doing at the range tomorrow, is is putting Trent: Love it. Dustin Sanchez: a lot of rounds down here. What I would prefer to do, like what I would like to do is have a let's say some something in the 50s and something in the 70s that shoot very, very similar to each other. so that way I kind of have a good good option to choose from. That 53 grain, it's screaming hot, so it does really well out to 400, 450 yards. anything past that, you know, then we're gonna get a little a little iffy. But with Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: the tactical games, I don't I don't know what they'll put us to at at Caltown. So that's why I am trying to search for something that's a little heavier. Trent: Right, 'cause I think last weekend, I think their furthest was six hundred, maybe. And like Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: I don't think their average is usually that far. So I mean, who knows? Dustin Sanchez: No, it it depends on the range. So, Trent: Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: you know, this barrel length and the way this barrel's set up, the muzzle velocity out of this one is supposed to be close to an eighteen. I will know all of that tomorrow after I leave the range. Trent: Right. Dustin Sanchez: so if I can get muzzle velocity out of this one to match my eighteen, then that really leads me over to this this one over here. And then if it can j if it is shoot good groups, as good as my eighteen inch. Yeah, I mean I I might be just running the sixteen and I I I Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: feel like I feel confident in those seventy five seventy five grains that are supposed to be supposed to be coming to me here shortly. So I don't know man. I've I've got a whole case loaded up Trent: Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: full of different ammo right now. Like I bought a case it carries six hundred rounds of ammo in a phone thing. And so they're all like organized. And like I've got, you know, what what co you know, who the manufacturer is, what grain it is, and then I'll be you know, my Kestrel's gonna be or my garment's gonna be all freaking running and I it's gonna be a long day at the range. Trent: Awesome. Awesome. So yeah. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah, I mean I love it. You know. Trent: What's what's training been looking like leading up to the tactical games? Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, so I started doing so I go to Lifetime Fitness and they've got an alpha program. I don't know how many people are familiar with that, but that's kinda like their CrossFit-ish. it's strength and conditioning. so I've been doing that three times a week and then I'm trying to lift heavy the off on those off days. Trent: nice. Dustin Sanchez: I am dealing with a a shoulder injury I decided to wipe out on my mountain bike. so Trent: I also love when I choose to do that. You know, I'm like, you what I'm gonna do? Yard sale today. That's Dustin Sanchez: It Yeah. Trent: what I'm gonna do. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, yeah. Yep. So you know that that's changed the the training a little bit, but yeah, and then other than that, you know, it's just nutrition, trying to do a lot of conditioning 'cause they do a lot, you know, Tactical Games does a lot of offhand stuff. So for me it's it's really you know, I was talking to you about just holding the r the the rifle up or holding the pistol up and then I'll do one hand and I'll do one hand and then every Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: minute I'll you know, the beeper goes off, I'll break the trigger in that racket and then I just hold it there again. so you know, am I training right? Probably not. yeah, Trent: I mean it sounds good to me. Dustin Sanchez: i it's also hard 'cause I travel. Like I leave I leave on Tuesday and I'm gone for a week and a half. And so that that's really hard to to keep that training in. So I've been looking, you know, for me a lot of times it's like trying to find an Airbnb that has some weights or a gem, you know, built in there. But also where I'm staying at next week, there's a lifetime that's like thirty minutes away. So I'm hoping I can get to like a five AM class and then get back to the range and then go to the range and you know, run my demo bay, talk to everybody and then when nobody's around I'll do some training there with with with my shooting. Trent: Super busy. I mean that's that's it's really awesome and like commendable that you're still like staying consistent with it 'cause most people would just be like, I'm out, not doing it. Dustin Sanchez: it's it's hard. And and I know like you know, I've been trying to talk a a big game, but let's be honest, like we're talking about Jacob Heppner. The the he's a freak athlete, right? Like I th it doesn't Trent: You're not wrong. Dustin Sanchez: matter what I do on the fitness part, he's going to beat me on the fitness part. And I can beat him on the shooting part, but you know, it it's just trying to put it all together and and that's not even the main goal, right? Like the main goal for this match is go have fun. what my true goal is, is for next year is to actually compete early on in the year and qualify for nationals and then show up to nationals and actually compete. So Trent: nice. Dustin Sanchez: I will I will pick a division, forty plus or men's tactical, and my goal will be to compete in two regionals and then be at nationals and then up here in Minnesota, my best friend and I We own a company called Action Gunner and we run a lot of matches up here. So we'll run skirmishes. I'll compete with everybody here and we'll we'll go from there. Trent: soon as we move, which is gonna be in April, I'm looking to compete. So it's like I I can't get wait I can't wait to get out there and and do it. And I'll be in the same age division as you. So can't wait to meet you in person. That's gonna be super, super awesome. so what is Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, and if I'm not competing at the match, I'll be there for JP too. So, you know. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Trent: And I love that. I'll I'll come and hang out for sure. so what does JP have going on in the near future? Like what is some stuff you guys got cooking? Dustin Sanchez: Well, we keep that very tight, and close Trent: That's fair. Dustin Sanchez: to the chest. but you know, again, you know, I know this isn't a PC C. channel, but you know, PCC for US P S A, IDPA, Ipsyc, right now a lot everybody's getting ready for Worlds in twenty twenty eight. So you're gonna see a lot of us pushing this and and we are putting a lot of attention into this platform. This is our number one selling rifle is the the JP5. takes block mags, like I said it's roller delayed and everything. So you're gonna see a lot of our our engineering time goes into this but I think, you know, our engineers are always focusing on more reliability and better accuracy and things like that. So we are, you know, ke staying pretty locked in with the small frame platform. We do have large frame and we do 308 and you know six five create more six create, all of those calibers. We have fun with those. That's just not a big, big market force. It used to be, but it's kinda died off. So really for us it's just We like to take something with a rifle here and say, okay, well we we thought it was the best, but now with you know, new technology keeps dropping out and things like that, what can we do to improve on something that's already great? How do we make it better? and and that's really like I think, you know, most companies are that way, right? We're always trying to we're always chasing the next great thing, but for us I know that we we try to stay pretty pretty grounded to who we are, where we came from and who our clientele is and really focus on that ground. Trent: That's really appreciated because I there's a lot of companies out there that start getting bigger and bigger and bigger and then quality goes to shit, right? Like that's not the thing that that Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: anybody wants, right? So like that's super, super appreciated for sure. So if you were gonna recommend Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: me a rifle, which one would you recommend me today? Dustin Sanchez: Okay. Are you are you left handed or right-handed? Trent: Right handed. Dustin Sanchez: Perfect. 'Cause if you're left handed it'd be like you're s you're just wrong. Yeah, Trent: You're screwed, bro. Sorry. Dustin Sanchez: yeah. So th there's three things I would do. In and what we did and the we you we're about to have these on our website. But we have three rifles that are very easy to get into that are ready to go today. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: And though I am competing against Heppner, and he's not my friend right now until after October 10th or 9th, whenever, we'll be friends after then. But we do have three Heppner rifles. We have a Heppner 1, Hepner 2, and Heppner 3. And those are all based on price point. So this one right here is similar to the Heppner 1. And this is a budget friendly rifle. and when I say budget friendly I want people to understand I'm talking about a JP budget friendly here. So we are gonna be sitting around two thousand for that. It's a sixteen inch it's very similar to this. It's not exactly this one, but it's very similar. it's something he spec'd out he played with. I really like this one. It's lightweight. So if you're looking for something that's lighter, but it it can perform. You don't have a ton of money into it, but you're really going for that accuracy and that, you know, that really nice flat shooting rifle, you're gonna be looking at like the the Heppner 3. So this is we would call this a Heppner 3. I really like it. but I'm a side charge guy. And so this one is gonna be the closest thing I have to a Hepner 2. I like how we're just pulling out the rifles I already showed you. yeah, yeah. Trent: Yeah, every single one. Let's go. Dustin Sanchez: So it's gonna have a forged lower. so yeah, by the way, these are forged upper, forged lower receiver. then you can go into this one. It does have a different handguard, it's gonna have our MLOC handguard on it, but what it's a forged lower with a billet upper that's top charge and side charge. Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: And it's non reciprocity. Now I like this one because it it gives you that side charge and I'm a huge fan of the side charge. so you know, that's I really like that one. That one comes in at like right around twenty seven. So I think if you're somebody what I really like about is like I never have to break my cheek weld. I can always if you know, I ever have a malfunction or anything happens, I can keep my face on the optic here and I can actually rack it, right? Trent: That's awesome. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. So it's nice. It gives you, you know, you know, there's always that two is one, one is none thing, but you got two different ways Trent: Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: to target. Then so that's gonna be a Heppner two, and then you can get into a Heppner one. Now it's again it's gonna be with the Elmlock hand guard, but it's this receiver set actually. So it is a billet lower, billet upper, top charge, side charge like the last one. It's got ambi controls and then ambi bolt lock back. So I push in the mag release. I can actually lock the bolt in. And then underneath the dust Trent: that that's legit. Dustin Sanchez: cover is my bolt release. So Trent: That's awesome. Dustin Sanchez: all of these are in a 16-inch. All of them come with a JP performance trigger. They have our SES in them. They have He likes to do gold controls, so they all have gold controls. So I tell everybody like those are the easy, like, easy like to do button. Like, let's just click that and let's go. Now, you know, those are great options. So any of those would work for you, right? Trent: For sure. And they sound awesome. Dustin Sanchez: but Kurt Finel, Calorina, And even Kelsey are all running a mon semi-monolithic upper. So if you look here, our barrel nut is actually part of the upper receiver, and Trent: Okay. Dustin Sanchez: this one happens to be side charge only. Kurt Vanel's is a top charge only. Now, semi-monolithic uppers are gonna give you better accuracy over the ones that are non-semi monolithic. Now, so for some people the Issue they're gonna have here is that it only works with our rapid configuration handguard. Your Elmlock would not fit on here. But if you can get over that, this is a phenomenal setup. Kelsey's running a 16 inch, she goes and she'll shoot the tactical games and then she'll go shoot a a PRS match with her 16 inch with the semi-monolithic and and have a good time. So I've got a a couple of different choices for you. I think it just comes down Trent: That's awesome. Dustin Sanchez: to what's your budget, what are you looking for? And are you looking to just do pure tactical games? Cool, well we got that. But if you're really gonna do like tactical games, maybe shoot some PCSL, maybe shoot some three gun, go shoot some PRS stuff, then yeah, I mean I would say let's spend a little bit more on it money, get into a semi-monolithic upper, and give you a little bit more space on the handguard here. So like, you know, your handguard's never or your barrel and your handguard are never gonna hit. Go out, have fun, and just dominate the field. Yeah. So Trent: I like it. I like it. That's that's really awesome. For sure. yeah, I'm gonna definitely shoot you an email and be like, remind me exactly what the upgrade kit is gonna be. I'm just gonna go back and replay this and also email you. For sure. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, you know, I again I think ARs are like, you know, it's Your choice, right? Like we have a great program on our website. It's called Rifle Builder. So you you click on you go to our website at the bottom, click on Rifle Builder and then you can open it up and you can build out an entire rifle. You submit Trent: Hell yeah. Dustin Sanchez: it, and then one of my sales guys will call you and he'll walk you through exactly what you put in there. So if you put something in there that doesn't make sense, he'll talk to you about like, well, why did you do this? And then you can explain to him, he'll be like, okay, it makes sense or it doesn't really make sense. So that works out great. and then I know some people like to judge us based on our website, but I just want everybody to know we have a new website coming. Our rifle builder's Trent: Ha ha ha. Dustin Sanchez: being updated. So when you look at my website, don't judge us. it is a work Trent: Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: in progress right now. We put all of our time and money into the rifles. Right, right, yeah, yeah. Trent: Where it should be. I mean, come on, right? You know, you know. Websites aren't that that they don't need to be that fancy, honestly. You know, as long as the product speaks for it. Dustin Sanchez: yeah, you would you you would you would think that, but man, I get tore up. I have Trent: Yeah. Dustin Sanchez: industry friends that call me and they're like, dude, I thought my website was bad and I'm like, I don't even want to hear it, okay? I don't even want to hear it from you right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's that's our industry, man. It's a good time. Trent: Yeah. Yeah. Shots fired. Awesome. Yeah. Dustin, I can't thank you enough. Thanks so much for coming on and hanging out with me. it was great meeting you and I can't wait to meet you in person. where Dustin Sanchez: Yeah. Trent: can people find you or get a hold of you if they need to? So that way I can have it here and also put it in the show notes and all that for you. Dustin Sanchez: Yeah, so there's two places. You know, you can go to at JP Rifles is our Instagram. you can find us on Facebook. our YouTube channel did get shut down, but we got a new YouTube channel that's getting ready to drop in the next month here. we're also on Rumble, so you can just look up JP Rifles, it'll pop up there. then you know a lot of people just reach out and talk to me about JP stuff and I get a hold of them. So that's gonna on Instagram that's gonna be at two A underscore Dustin. feel free to reach out to me there. I'll talk to you about any questions you have and tip. Typically if you ask any questions on the IG for JP, I'm the one that will come on and answer the questions when I kind of get back in town and catch up with everything. So yeah, anything Trent: Mm-hmm. Dustin Sanchez: you guys have from parts, even if you don't, you're not gonna run a JP, but you have a question on anything firearm related, reach out to me. I love to talk to everybody about what you're doing, what you're chasing, what your goals are, and and do my very best to help you achieve those goals and whatever it is you're looking for within your firearm. Trent: Yeah, much appreciated. Dustin, you're awesome. Thank you again for being on. yeah, and Dustin Sanchez: Yeah man, thank you.