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- 0:00Plastic pollution in the ocean is a huge, huge problem. But
- 0:03microplastics has become an even bigger problem because of
- 0:07the sheer size and the size of the surface area of the toxins that
- 0:11are on these microplastics. And they get into everything.
- 0:15There have been scientific reports that said, hey, you know what? Microplastics are even in
- 0:18air molecules, in sea salt. It's just everywhere. They're getting into
- 0:22our lungs. They're getting into our system. It's affecting our health overall. There
- 0:26is a global plastic treaty that has just wrapped up its fourth meeting
- 0:30to see if we could actually get agreement internationally to ban
- 0:33certain types of plastics and have a plan internationally to
- 0:37get rid of these plastics that are not only polluting our ocean but polluting
- 0:41our bodies. And today we're going to be talking about ways to actually extract
- 0:45microplastics from the ocean and will they actually work
- 0:49that's the one question that we always have we had another company
- 0:52a while ago the ocean cleanup that said hey we can actually clean up all the
- 0:55ocean plastics in the pacific gyre that still hasn't happened
- 0:59yet and they're still working on and they've basically just come up with a with
- 1:02a method of fishing which isn't really helping and
- 1:05won't really help in the long term but people are putting loads
- 1:09and loads of money because this is a problem that we have to solve whether it's
- 1:12the right thing to do or the right way of doing it or not people are trying to figure
- 1:16out ways to solve it there's a new article in IFL science that
- 1:19I want to cover today which looks at how to bind with
- 1:23microplastics certain I guess certain I guess chemicals I
- 1:26guess you call or materials like I believe it's
- 1:30Chitin as well as the cotton materials in
- 1:33cotton to be able to absorb and bind So it's gonna be an interesting topic to
- 1:37talk about on today's episode of the how to protect the ocean podcast Let's start
- 1:40the show Hey
- 1:45everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm
- 1:48your host Andrew Lo and this is the podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean, how
- 1:51you can speak up for the ocean and what you can do to live for a better ocean by
- 1:55taking action. And today we're going to be talking about microplastics, something
- 1:59that is really interesting. I've been talking about for a long time in
- 2:03terms of ocean plastic pollution and microplastics and how it affects the
- 2:06environment, our environment. our bodies, it is
- 2:10crazy. And if you wanna find out more information on the ocean and plastic, you
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- 2:55all that information on the ocean. The reason why I'm doing this is really to
- 2:58bring you information, like act as a resource to bring you information on
- 3:01ocean conservation, not just ocean education, you know, talking about wildlife
- 3:05and all that. There's a lot of people who do that. The goal for me is really to
- 3:08bring conservation to you. and the little things that people are
- 3:11doing, especially from a solution standpoint, things like projects, things that
- 3:15people are doing, they're trying to undertake. Some things may work out, some
- 3:18things may not work out, but it's always good to talk about them and
- 3:21to build on them, because that's science, right? We build on things, we
- 3:24criticize things, we build on things, and hopefully we can get to
- 3:27something that's really great. And in this case, you know, we're talking about
- 3:31a topic that I don't know a lot in terms of like engineering our
- 3:35way and innovating our way to get to ocean solutions. I
- 3:38am not an engineer, I am not a chemist, but today we're going to be talking about materials
- 3:42that can help bind microplastics to help them get absorbed out
- 3:45of the ocean and into a proper way of disposing
- 3:49of them, if there really is a proper way of disposing of them. There's
- 3:52a lot of problems with plastics. The first is the amount of plastics that
- 3:55we use in our daily life. With all these solutions that
- 3:59I'm proposing, and people who are professionals in the plastic conservation
- 4:03and reduction, they're gonna say the first thing we gotta do is refuse to
- 4:07use single-use plastics. Refuse to use plastics at all
- 4:10times. And that includes in our clothes, that includes in our food
- 4:14or containers, that includes in our drinking bottles. It's
- 4:18just a number of things. It includes pretty much And
- 4:21just to let you know, plastics is a petroleum product. It is a product
- 4:24that is made from fossil fuels, from petroleum,
- 4:29and is made into materials that we use. A lot of
- 4:32that is not disposed of properly, and the chemicals could leach
- 4:35out and cause problems to our own bodies, problems to animal bodies.
- 4:39and problems to the environment in general. So nasty chemicals made
- 4:42up from those, that make up those products, and so we need to
- 4:46stop using them in the first place. That's the first way to
- 4:49really put a dent in the amount of microplastics and plastics
- 4:53that get into the ocean. The second thing is we have to look
- 4:56at how to actually extract microplastics from
- 5:00the ocean and the first thing to do is get it where it starts to enter and
- 5:03that is into the river systems. Now there are places like four oceans
- 5:07and other places that go around and clean up plastics whether
- 5:10they're large plastics or microplastics they do their best to get as
- 5:14much as possible and they make materials from that and
- 5:17they do their best to remake those materials or reuse those materials So
- 5:21when you can't refuse, you reuse as much as possible and you
- 5:24remake them into something that's inspiring to help them do their
- 5:27business. So 4Ocean, I did an interview with Alex Schultz, you can check it
- 5:31out up here and you can find out how that company
- 5:34works and what they're doing. Again, we still have to stop using microplastics and
- 5:37plastics in general. But companies like 4Ocean really
- 5:41do a great job in helping us get their stuff out. And they
- 5:44work along riversides and river mouths to try and make
- 5:48sure that the entrance into the ocean before it gets into this vast, vast
- 5:51ocean that covers over 70% of the planet, they work
- 5:55at getting those plastics out before they can break down into microplastics. and
- 5:58that's essentially what happens right when it goes into the ocean it hits the
- 6:01sun it hits the salt water the plastic breaks down with the wave action and
- 6:05just getting pushed all over the place sometimes sinking down it
- 6:08breaks down into smaller pieces of plastics called microplastics it
- 6:12has a larger surface area because it's so small and the chemicals leach
- 6:15out into the ocean or into the animal that is ingested by and
- 6:19it gets into their system and it can eventually kill them if it
- 6:22builds up enough. We wanna stay away from that as much as possible. But
- 6:26how do we actually extract it out when it gets into such a big area? It's
- 6:29very difficult to do. But there is a method that this
- 6:33article in IFLScience is covering, and
- 6:36I'm gonna link to it in the show notes and in the description below, but
- 6:39it's really cool. It talks about using the absorption
- 6:43power of cotton and the ability to
- 6:47bind, like chitin, from squid to say, hey, you
- 6:50know what, we can actually absorb these materials. It's a really, really
- 6:53interesting way of looking at it. It's a solution that's eco-friendly, and
- 6:57it borrows from the secrets of soaking up skills from cotton and, of
- 7:00course, squid, which is a really a very different way of
- 7:04looking at it. And so because microplastics are such a difficult problem, it
- 7:07looks like the sponge-like foam that borrows the soaking
- 7:11skills of cotton and squid may be a promising candidate, as
- 7:14it was found to remove 98 to 99.9% of
- 7:17microplastics from water samples that were studied. Now, of course, these are just
- 7:21water samples. This is not the entire ocean. So on a scale that big,
- 7:24we just don't know how to do that. But maybe we can figure out
- 7:27ways, like I said, getting into the mouths of rivers or even sooner
- 7:31than that to get microplastics before they get into the ocean. So what's
- 7:34more, the foam is sustainable and environmentally adaptable without
- 7:38carrying the Newstown Zone destroying risk of ocean hovering
- 7:42approaches. This is referring to the Ocean Cleanup Project. And
- 7:45when you first looked at the first model of the Ocean Cleanup, project was
- 7:49essentially this automatic boat that had
- 7:52these large boom arms that would go out and they would just
- 7:55try to corral everything into the middle into sort of this
- 7:59like a net like material. They would take everything at the surface or
- 8:02really the top I believe it was three meters at the time or maybe
- 8:05three feet I think I believe it was three meters at the time so I had to net that that
- 8:08below. When they first rolled it out, they said, hey, it's not going to harm
- 8:12animals at all because it moves so slowly that animals can get out.
- 8:15There's these animals, invertebrates called newstins, and they can't get
- 8:18out of the way. And so one of the major criticisms when they started showing
- 8:22pictures from this boom arm mechanism working,
- 8:26Dr. Rebecca Helm was one of the scientists that looked at
- 8:30the pictures and started identifying animals that were in these
- 8:33boom arms and saying, hey, you know what? You are actually hurting animals. We can
- 8:37see it right there. these animals are important to the environment and
- 8:40into the ocean environment and removing them without having someone there to
- 8:44try and get them out is just not a feasible way of doing things when
- 8:47you really look at it. So you are harming animals which is said it didn't it
- 8:50did an environmental assessment quote-unquote. And
- 8:54it said it didn't do any harm to animals, but obviously it did. So that was
- 8:58referring to that. Also while targeting microplastics already
- 9:01in the environment, it could use to treat water at factories
- 9:05before it gets released. So that's even more interesting. So
- 9:09any kind of plastics that are in the water that before it
- 9:12goes out into the river systems can also work. So working to both
- 9:15reduce the microplastics already in nature and those being leaked into
- 9:19it. So this has a lot of upside here so far. One of the authors said,
- 9:22microplastics entering terrestrial and aquatic habitats are anticipated
- 9:26to continuously increase for thousands of years due to
- 9:29the alarming volumes of plastic waste in the environment, around 4.5 billion
- 9:34metric tons, and the difficulty of degrading under
- 9:37natural conditions. So that's one of the quotes. So it
- 9:41goes on to say, the planet is under great threat from microplastics and
- 9:44aquatic ecosystems are the first to suffer. As they provide convenient places
- 9:48for microplastics, which can combine with other contaminants and
- 9:52it be ingested by multiple levels of organisms. The development of
- 9:55a widely adaptive approaches for microplastic remediation in
- 9:58aqueous environments is urgently demanded. Now there is a really
- 10:02interesting graphic on here, so I highly recommend that you go to the thing.
- 10:05I'll pop it up in the video here in terms of how it actually binds
- 10:09using cotton and the chitin from squid. These
- 10:13materials are easily replicable, which is great. So
- 10:16essentially what happens is it makes this sort of this homogenized material
- 10:21you know without crossing it and then it goes into then again i'm not
- 10:24a chemist but essentially it goes into this this fibrous foam and
- 10:28then it it binds to the microplastic and those kind of stay in
- 10:31those interactions which is really great now it can be reused which
- 10:35is also nice to know i don't know what this would look like like it doesn't give
- 10:38a good concept of what it would look like when it's being deployed into
- 10:42water, like what this material would look like, or if it's just chemicals and
- 10:45then all of a sudden it comes in and it binds, I have no idea what it's supposed to
- 10:48look like. This is fairly new, and so I think it's something
- 10:51that we'd have to look into, but I don't know what it actually looks like.
- 10:55But to address the demand, they create a sponge-like substance called
- 10:59CT cell biomass, a foam that
- 11:02combines two substances found in nature. Cellulose from cotton and
- 11:05chitin from squid are famously squishy, but inside
- 11:09their soft tissues is a small pen-shaped skeleton made of
- 11:12chitin. So the two substances stuck together nicely when
- 11:16the team broke out their original hydrogen bonds and induced
- 11:20intermolecular interactions of cellulose and chitin, creating
- 11:24a stable framework with loads of activated hydrogen bonding sites
- 11:28for microplastics absorption. So that's how it gets, essentially they
- 11:31bind together, you strip the hydrogen bonds from them, they bind together and
- 11:34then they form these other hydrogen bonds that that bind to the microplastics. So
- 11:38by running absorption tests as well as computational studies, they
- 11:42observed that it could capture microplastics in several ways,
- 11:46physical interception, electrostatic attraction, as well
- 11:49as multiple intermolecular interactions. Essentially, this
- 11:53thing's going to be sticky, is really what it sounds like, and there's multiple ways
- 11:56for it to connect, which I think is really interesting. The CT to foam has
- 12:00great potential to be used in the extraction of microplastic from
- 12:04complex water bodies. Thus, our design principles would
- 12:07facilitate the future development of practical and sustainable strategies based
- 12:11on biomass foams to address microplastic pollution. I want to
- 12:14temper this a little bit. this is a really interesting interesting study
- 12:18this is something that i feel like has potential i
- 12:21don't know all the ins and outs of this project so please don't say
- 12:25that andrew approves of this project there's going to be a lot of testing that happens and
- 12:28how do you do it at scale there is like when i tell you
- 12:31there are microplastics in the ocean i can't tell you
- 12:35enough how large of a distribution,
- 12:39these microplastics are. They have been found. Plastics have been found at
- 12:42the bottom of the Mariana Trench. It's the deepest part of the ocean that we've been
- 12:45to. It is everywhere. So to be
- 12:49able to say, hey, we can innovate our way out of this just by
- 12:52using this method, no. This is part of, this is a tool
- 12:56in the conservation tool belt, as I like to say. The biggest thing
- 12:59that we need to do is remove these
- 13:02plastics, these microplastics, by not using them. Refusing
- 13:06to use plastics and especially when it comes to different
- 13:09ways Like we we use plastics when it comes becomes convenient to
- 13:13use plastics. We use them in our you know, drinking drinks we
- 13:16you know people when we buy from coffee shops when we
- 13:19buy a convenience stores like energy drinks and Vitamin
- 13:23waters and Gatorades and things like that. They come in plastic bottles. These
- 13:27are all bad for us and the environment They're not necessary. We
- 13:30used to sell things in glass bottles, but those are too heavy for transportation. So
- 13:34it costs a lot more This is more for the cost of
- 13:37the company to say, hey, it's actually cheaper to ship all these. We can
- 13:40get these out more and more. Soda bottles and things like that, plastic
- 13:43bottles, not good for us. But when I say from an individual level, we talk a
- 13:47lot, and a lot of people say, well, you have to stop. You have to do this. You have to do this. We
- 13:50are in a system that's built on plastic. And so what we need
- 13:54to do is really talk to our government representatives and
- 13:57that might be harder these days than in some places than it was before but
- 14:01microplastics need to be phased out that's why international agreements
- 14:05like the global plastic treaty is such an important part of our
- 14:08lives or will be such an important lives in the future hoping that
- 14:11this last meeting in south korea went better
- 14:15than the one in Ottawa and hopefully there's something that's going to be drawn up
- 14:18shortly and be ratified by a number of governments around
- 14:22the world so that we can see more plastic action. I'm very happy
- 14:25to say that the Canadian government has taken action and has become
- 14:28a leader in this field, but it's still new and there's still lots of
- 14:32work to be done and it's being met with a lot of challenges and
- 14:35a lot of restrictions and resistance and I think we need
- 14:38to fight a little bit more. And that comes from the people, that comes from the people Motivating the
- 14:42government to say hey, we need something to be done about this because this is not
- 14:45good for us I know it makes money for a lot of the companies, but it's not good for
- 14:48us And we need to really look out for our own health. So that's what I'm
- 14:51gonna talk about for today I thought this article was interesting. I haven't covered
- 14:55in a while something on IFL science So I highly
- 14:58recommend that you check out the site. I'm not being sponsored by them by any means
- 15:02I'm just I just like the site. I like I like getting the the emails
- 15:06and the broadcast channels on Facebook and Instagram and be able to get that
- 15:09information to you. So I'll probably be covering more of
- 15:13their articles. But I want to thank the Eiffel Science. I want to thank the writer, Rachel
- 15:18Funnell. And also I want to thank you for listening to this episode. I'd
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