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145. Reacting to "unpopular opinions" about Mythic Legions. · The Euro Legions Podcast

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  My wallet is sobbing. I can hear it.
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  I can hear it in the hall now. It is breaking down crying.
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  It turns out that Attila the arrogant soul and so he's got a
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  fake hammer. Oh, a fake.
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  Yeah, whoa. As I say, Dick.
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  Welcome to episode 145 of the Religions podcasts.
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  Happy New Year to everybody and listening and watching to this
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  John Coffee here for another year of podcasting with my Co
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  hosts Malcolm Kennedy. Happy New year man.
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  Yeah, to you. And to you Rich as well.
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  Happy. New Year, how are you?
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  Happy new year, gents. My back has seized up, but other
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  than that, yeah, I'm all good. Well, we we heard that you were
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  doing a bit of a clear out and unboxing a lot of stuff to get
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  rid of packaging and you're up in your attic so.
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  Yeah, I sent you guys a video. Then I have the attic.
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  It's it's an absolute style and there's so much stuff in there.
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  So yeah, I decided to thin the box collection down a little bit
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  to save some space, which will give me more space in the
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  display room and then I can get that done properly, etcetera,
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  etcetera. So I went got rid of all my
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  cosmic boxes basically. So that was a lot right.
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  My family's ears suffered like your guys ears do at Legions con
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  every year and I'm a box and. All that.
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  Go to cosmics louder than mythics because they've got the
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  side packages or whatever. I do.
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  As wonderful as the boxes are, I do come to the conclusion now
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  that they're too big and bulky. They are for good sort of
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  storing and it makes me appreciate the Mythics boxes
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  more. Yeah, so while doing that, I was
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  stretching in all sorts of weird directions.
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  Obviously, loft ceilings don't tend to be that big.
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  So you're a newer tall, Yeah. So just put my back out
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  basically. It was sore after doing it and
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  then yesterday just gave it the ghost.
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  So yeah. So if anyone out there has a has
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  a back regime programme for rich, you know, maybe new year,
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  bit of stretching, bit of yoga, a bit of strength work get you
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  back sorted back. See, I'm basically.
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  Keen if anyone knows any good exercise programmes and will be
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  in doughnuts as well. Yeah, that's the that's the jaw.
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  If you have any jaw muscle problems, there's not a
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  doughnut. Well, if, if you've seen the
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  title of this episode or the thumbnail or whatever, you might
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  be wondering what these guys come on about.
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  Well, there was a post in the mythic legions cabal last
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  November by a fellow called Hank Miller and he asked what are
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  your, uh, unpopular opinions about legions?
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  So I kind of grabbed onto that straight away and said to the
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  guys, this would be a fun one to do an episode on.
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  So what I've done is I've taken a load of comments from that
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  post, tried to philtre out a lot of the repeat ones, anonymize
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  them all because this is we don't want to get personal on
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  this. This is not about you know who
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  said what and who's wrong and who's right because you know,
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  they are opinions and we're going to go through them and
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  give our opinion on those opinions and maybe offer some
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  opinions of our own and just have some fun.
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  So you might recognise some of the stuff that you put in there
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  and don't take offence if we completely.
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  Disagree with you? It's.
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  Definitely not personal. If if I call any of our
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  listeners idiots or something along that line for that for the
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  comment, it's nothing personal. I just.
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  Yeah, don't cancel your patron if Rich says your opinion is is
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  terrible or you know. They're all, they're all
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  anonymized. I have no idea who said what,
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  but yeah, those that let me know I'm, I'm quite madly so.
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  And if and if you've put an answer to that post with like a
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  25 different bullet points, I've probably just taken the first
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  one because, you know, we have to have to be fair here, you
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  know, can't just give the platform to one, one person, you
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  know, And Speaking of Patreon, so we have a little bonus this
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  year for our Patreons. All of our patrons on all the
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  tiers are going to get a discount code from Calvo custom
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  creations. So it's Mark Calvo, our friend
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  who has an amazing website with loads of 3D parts.
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  The more stuff he often has Jason Rodriguez stuff, He has
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  his own sculpts, of course, and he has stuff that he's done with
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  GUI on and Gianluca, bunch of amazing stuff there, uh,
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  unpainted prints. Plus he does, uh, painted stuff
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  as well, offers up stuff for paint there.
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  Sometimes he does them in like a batch of stuff or sometimes
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  it'll just be a couple of things.
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  And of course he does commissions.
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  So this is going to be 10% discount on, uh, on any order of
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  Calvo customs creations. Umm, going to try and run this,
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  I suppose for the year and see how it goes for, for us and for
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  Mark. So, you know, if you're on the
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  five year, uh, dollar Patreon tier with us and you make an
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  order of more than $50, you're kind of winning, you know?
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  Yeah. So, umm, there you go.
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  So that's, uh, very cool of Mark to, uh, to offer that to us.
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  And hopefully that will, uh, attract a few more people to our
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  Patreon and of course, in turn attract a few more people to
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  Mark and everyone is a winner out of that, including you guys
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  that take advantage of the code. And I think you can also use it
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  Rich so. I'm about to say, as some of the
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  commissions, a lot of stuff from Mark, are we allowed to use it
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  as well? I think so.
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  You're on our Patreon. So.
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  So yeah, Mark will will check with us and you know who's on
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  the Patreon so that, you know, if you, if people start sharing
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  the code around to people that aren't on the Patreon, you know,
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  that isn't really cool. So always try and keep our eye
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  on that to make it really an exclusive for for you guys that
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  are on the Patreon. But you know, if you want to put
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  in like an order of like $200 for a load of parts and you
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  know, you go in with the mate that isn't on the Patreon, I
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  mean, that's cool. You're ordering it for you if
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  you want. What you do with the stuff
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  afterwards is your own business. And you can meet the cool guy
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  that's getting the the stuff are cheap, or you can take the 10%
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  for yourself, you know. So thanks very much to Mark for
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  that. Have a look at our Patreon, see
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  what you think. And we're going to have, of
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  course, bonus episodes this year.
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  Again, we'll continue with the richest randoms, with more
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  people, and we will come up with some other fun bonus episodes
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  and stuff like that. So.
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  Yeah, I'm looking. Forward to getting back in the
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  richest random actually, we just need some dates out John over
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  weekend and then I can. Yeah.
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  Absolutely, yeah, I'm looking pretty good.
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  So, you know, once you get up, I was, I was pretty sick last
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  weekend. I had lost my voice.
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  So I was a little bit nervous that that I wasn't going to
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  record tonight. But I'm pretty much today's the
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  first day I've been kind of back to, you know, 7080% and the
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  voices. OK, I'd say you'd probably still
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  hear a bit of it, but yeah, doing good, doing good.
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  So I'm drinking the. Honey and.
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  Yeah, yeah, Allison rock and tea, which is that throat and
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  yeah, throat and something else and cough tea or something like
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  this. Anyway, thanks again to Mark and
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  absolutely, let's see how that goes.
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  That should be exciting. So I know times are tough
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  people, you know. A.
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  Couple of people have dropped off the Patreon because of, you
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  know, the way the economy is and the way everything is going and
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  also some people have maybe dropped their tears.
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  So would be cool if people hop on because of that or just
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  because they want to see all the fun bonus episodes.
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  If not, well, I don't know, just subscribe to our YouTube.
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  That would be amazing and subscribe to us on whatever
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  podcast player you might listen to it.
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  That would be also amazing support and drop a comment and,
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  you know, share our show with somebody.
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  Any of those cool things are also a very valid way of
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  supporting us if you without you here.
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  Without tea to my own horn too much too, I'd say $5 a month
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  being interviewed by me. It's pretty good deal.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I would say so, yeah.
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  You know I, I face. Hundreds of pounds in their
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  toys. And maybe to to square the
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  circle in this we were on a couple of live streams, maybe
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  since we last recorded at least one for sure new to meet new to
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  mythics. We were on there, Greg's and
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  Heinrich was happening in live stream in the was it a couple of
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  days after Christmas? The 28th of it was yeah,
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  exactly. Some of the Stefan Mahler on
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  there with a bunch of other cool people from this side of the
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  pond. We had Elijah and Pfizer, we had
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  the 2 girls from Nerdy Ford, Annie and Michelle.
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  And was there anyone else? Oh, there was a Stefan.
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  Yeah. Pickle D on Instagram.
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  He does Dios and stuff like that.
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  He's a cool Germany. And of course, Mark Calvo.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Well, he dropped off a bit earlier.
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  I had to drop off as well a little bit after Mark, but yeah.
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  And so that was very fun. And we were, of course, on with
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  Curtis and Jesse on shooting the chef in the run in December.
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  Can't remember exactly the day and that's a while ago now, so
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  go back and have a look at those.
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  If you've missed them, they'd be on the live stream section of
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  their YouTube videos. So I think that's everything
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  with that. How was Christmas?
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  Otherwise, all good, yeah. Quiet, relaxed, got had the week
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  after Christmas off work which is always nice.
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  Bit of a break. Oh that's cool this week which
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  already trying to work out what I could do for my next holiday
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  and when, but. You know, the Christmas fell
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  quite, quite well for for kind of getting almost a week off and
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  not taking too many days off 3 or.
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  Four days and got, you know. 10 days off in a row.
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  So yeah, that's always sweet and you're rich.
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  You were, you were up in the valleys or I don't know, they're
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  not the valleys up there. They the.
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  Mountains. Be close to the mountains.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Christmas down here, my brother and.
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  Sister in laws, that was really nice and there was up in
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  Anglesey for the new year. Very.
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  Good, but worked in between. So that was a bit of a downer.
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  But then, you know, when you spend, you know, holiday time
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  going to America and places like that, you can't really complain
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  if you don't have to work. No, that's true.
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  That's true. Yeah.
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  I never minded working in the office over Christmas because
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  usually unless the weather was horrendous, traffic was great
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  obviously, and there wasn't that many people.
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  And if you were very lucky, I always worked in clients with
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  client stuff. So the clients might be already
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  gone. So then you would just have
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  reasonably light workload. So and if you didn't, if you
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  worked in the job that you had to kind of do a load of stuff,
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  then you had a quiet office to kind of get get through it, you
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  know. But I suppose this time of the
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  year it's a lot of work from home, I guess more.
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  I was just more. Awkward.
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  Quiet run up and then it was just Manning really absolutely
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  flat out. So it's like great, OK, there we
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  go. And that's continued into the
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  new year, so. It's, yeah, lovely.
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  Very good. Yeah, I had a very quiet,
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  chilled one as well, so I enjoyed that and kind of was a
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  shock to the system. To have to start getting up
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  early again again this week at 6:00 alone on Monday was tough,
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  yeah, especially as I was sick as well.
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  And finally, any New Year's resolutions to bring in?
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  No, we're too old for that stuff.
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  I never do them because I'll either keep something because I
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  want to do it or I won't get into it when I make the
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  resolution. Makes no difference at all.
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  I'm going to do the the dry January.
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  I don't know why. Maybe it's just to to make sure
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  I'm not an alcoholic. I have one my, one of my very
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  good friends, one of my best friend from when I was growing
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  up in Ireland, he did the dry January in the year before the
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  year that COVID started. And then it went so well.
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  He said I'll do February as well.
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  And then he was into March and then COVID hit, all the pubs
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  closed. He didn't see the inside of a
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  pub again. And this is in Ireland, you
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  know, it's very common to go go to the pub, you know, maybe on
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  the Saturday or, you know, even if you're our age, you'd go out
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  maybe every 2-3 weeks at least minimum.
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  Yeah. And you didn't see the inside of
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  the pub, I suppose until June maybe that year.
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  That was, that's a tough one. But, you know, probably very
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  healthy for him. So good on him.
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  Right. Very quickly, couple of little
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  bits to catch up on. The RPG Kickstarter is coming
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  soon, and we got a little tease of this guy's a render of an
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  elf. What do they say?
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  Teeth. A rogue elf.
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  So what are we thinking on this mouth?
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  This. This is your cup of tea, is it?
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  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not the
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  biggest elf fan generally, but I like, I prefer the owls when
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  they've given them this sort of build a bit a bit, you know,
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  thicker. Yeah.
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  And the armour looks great. It's.
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  And then like you say, the sort of the red, the rogue, the thief
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  is easy. I love that sort of archetype of
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  character for sure. Well, ticker here.
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  I know it's a render, but there's something with the neck
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  that's not going to be in the final figure here because that's
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  like a 20 inch neck on on. The left and work he's.
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  Been working out with his stealing.
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  It has to be safe. Yeah, he joined the gym in
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  January. Yeah, I assume, yeah, that'll be
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  slimmed down and that'll be something else there.
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  But the head is cool and looks like a classic DND type
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  character, isn't it really? This is the from the comments
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  I've been seeing and then I had to look myself.
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  This is the Scapular and the new Scapular 2 torso piece.
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  And then I think the other parts we're familiar with and we'll
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  see the rest of the figure when when that's announced.
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  But that's coming at the end of February, I believe.
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  And that this will be on display sooner than that though, January
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  15 to 18 at the Philadelphia Area Gaming Expo.
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  So we'll see that online, but people in Philadelphia area be
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  able to go along to that. So that's a role-playing
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  Kickstarter that's going to be fun when it launches in in
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  February and we're definitely going to be doing a lot of
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  talking about that. So get prepared.
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  You excited about this Rich the the the game?
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  I'm excited about the figures, full size races that may come
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  with it. Games not for me.
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  Games. Not so me.
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  And you'll be talking about the game.
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  Well, yeah. Yeah, I'll do it wrong.
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  If someone gets it I'm out to play, then absolutely they'll be
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  all over, right? So it wouldn't be the main
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  driver for for support that gotcha.
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  That's fair enough and right. And then shall we get into the
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  opinions? Well, oh, no, we there's, yes,
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  let's do it. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, my first opinion is there's going to be revealed
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  this week. It'll already be revealed by the
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  time this episode comes out. So we can't and we don't know
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  the info, so we can't say too much more other than what's
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  already been publicly revealed. But cosmic legions character
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  packs. So second, one of those, a
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  little bit underwhelming. Now he knows there's a lot of
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  stuff probably coming this year and I'll probably look stupid in
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  a couple of weeks, months time after saying this, but we
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  haven't had a full cosmic wave in well over a year.
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  I know you've had two character packs waves and it seems to be
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  for clearing inventory etcetera, etcetera.
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  But then they're pre-orders as well, which OK, I know they
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  don't want to maybe over produce these either, but maybe under
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  produce them and just get rid of your inventory and make them
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  really exclusive. That's my feeling on these, even
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  if they're cool, I mean they. Look cool, but you think it
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  looks. Great.
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  And the robot 1 looks or the mask 1 looks good sort of thing.
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  But yeah, I think I like you as I was a little disappointed and
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  that's what that's what it turned out is going to be.
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  Yeah, yeah, I mean, again, yeah. I really, really like the idea
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  of character packs. And as you say, the things that
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  we've seen look really cool and, and really good and perhaps
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  slightly better than the previous character packs
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  realistically, because they're, you know, new sculpts.
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  But. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Oh yeah, this a lot of other potentially much more exciting
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  things to come this year. And yeah, so it feels like a bit
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  of a slow start, let's say, but. We'd see there'd be up for
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  pre-order I think. Is it the day that we released
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  this on the 9th of January? Friday.
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  Yeah, so. Have a look at them and see what
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  you think it's. A tricky thing.
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  So because obviously they're dropping it, they've already
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  said that the next infinite legions is coming is pre
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  ordering this month somebody not be the end of this month and the
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  game is net the RPG is next month so that you know they've
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  got to fit this in somewhere. Yeah, or.
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  The nor not do it. But if?
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  It's for the purpose of clearing inventory.
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  I do understand but then how much inventory will it clear if
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  they're doing as a pre-order? Like, I still haven't got my
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  initial head packs because I ordered them from a retailer
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  along with a few other things that I thought would be arriving
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  at the same time, and they're still, yeah, I still won't get
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  them for another couple of weeks.
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  So yeah. It's a funny 1.
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  Funny 1 not for us maybe maybe that's thing we can say right
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  opinions before we. Start then I just apologise.
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  You see me turning my head a lot during this thing.
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  I'm getting backed by a cat at the moment.
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  That's OK. Yeah.
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  You play with your pussy in. My head a lot because I'm
• 18:53
  watching a united team which is already one nil down and how do?
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  You expect people to be interested in our podcast if we
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  were just not paying attention to it?
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  Yeah. I expect hot takes here.
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  I expect hot takes you'll. Get hot takes.
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  I've been looking forward to this one since that post in
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  November, but because we had so many other things to talk about
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  and I kind of knew we could keep it for as long as we wanted.
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  Because. It would slot into a week like
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  this when I'll read them out and then whoever wants to just chip
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  in and if one of you don't chip in, I'll maybe chip in straight
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  away. So first one.
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  That's an excuse for us to say quietly the whole episode.
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  That yeah, there'll be words had if that happens.
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  Not everyone needs a grumpy slash angry face cub.
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  Give us some smiles, laughing space faces and other
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  expressions. So I mean.
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  Nice idea, but. Yeah, I I can see why somebody
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  would ask for it, but smiles and laughing faces, you don't be
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  able to reuse those scopes as much because there's only so
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  many times that is going to be laughing in their head off about
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  something. So I can see what.
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  I absolutely see why they don't go down that route.
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  Like a smirking face cooked is really cool on a 3D part because
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  you have it for a specific thing in mind.
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  It's maybe you know, a very limited thing and not mass
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  produced and you know, it would be perfect for the type of
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  character you want to make. But in general, I think for
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  factory produced of neutral or maybe battle kind of fierce base
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  Cubs are more generic and easier to yeah, that's fit into the
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  shelf that's. What I find funny about this,
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  this one is because I would suspect most people would say
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  that we get too many neutral expressions and not actually a
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  lot of grumpy angry. I mean, yeah, I'd only say it's
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  more recently we've started to get the odd like shouting
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  expression or something like that, really.
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  Yeah, and that's maybe more so when the character has kind of
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  been established, you know, or, but maybe for a heads pack, you
• 21:09
  know, a smirking heads pack, now that could be something you.
• 21:13
  Get crazy. Couldn't you could have a, he's
• 21:15
  a human, just a little piece of Lego face and they're like.
• 21:19
  Or you know. Here here's toilet expression
• 21:23
  and all this sort of stuff. You can really go for it.
• 21:27
  No, you had a bit too much we. Have a lot of these so let's
• 21:29
  move right? Removing cloth goods from
• 21:32
  certain figures causes a gap in the waste for me.
• 21:35
  This isn't an opinion. This.
• 21:38
  Just is truth, yeah. Yeah.
• 21:41
  Yeah, OK. So.
• 21:42
  And it's fine because those figures are designed to wear
• 21:45
  cloth goods, aren't they? If you want to take the clock
• 21:47
  goods off it, find a different figure.
• 21:50
  Exactly if they're not. Figures, isn't that you can use.
• 21:52
  They might be talking about the little gap from the the, you
• 21:56
  know, the torso, the ball that goes into the torso.
• 21:59
  Yeah, that's what I assume. But when you put a normal skirt
• 22:03
  piece on, that should still disappear, right?
• 22:06
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true.
• 22:09
  I think you still get a little bit of a.
• 22:10
  Maybe yeah, I think they've engineered it just to give a bit
• 22:14
  more space for the soft goods. So yeah, so maybe just in just
• 22:19
  need to swap. Yeah, the ball from I think this
• 22:22
  is for these balls are going to become very valuable.
• 22:27
  These are torso little adapter things.
• 22:31
  It will, there is one. It would have been better to
• 22:33
  stick to faction focused G con waves around the great beasts as
• 22:39
  opposed to now. They did.
• 22:42
  They did the one great piece and now they've gone into this year,
• 22:47
  which is the Dawns of Discovery. So that is a controversial and
• 22:54
  what do we think we know now what Dawns of Discovery is?
• 22:59
  So. Now you got I.
• 23:03
  Was going to say so I think in the last two decon waves we've
• 23:07
  got some of the best figures they've ever done and more
• 23:09
  interesting than a lot of what we were starting to get and
• 23:12
  getting because we've had nights up to here we've had.
• 23:16
  Orcs up to. Here we've had so I and OK, I
• 23:20
  suppose there's an argument that some of the characters they've
• 23:22
  put could have gone into those factions, but we also get
• 23:30
  different styles and outfits and and that sort of thing with the
• 23:35
  new characters so. I think.
• 23:38
  I think. It's a good idea what they're
• 23:40
  doing. It's a good idea.
• 23:42
  Yeah. I've said on the show before I I
• 23:44
  couldn't agree with this, disagree with this more.
• 23:47
  It's like it's a no. It'd be a terrible idea to stick
• 23:50
  to factions focused around the beasts because we've done them
• 23:54
  all and then it just gets stale. You need to keep reinventing,
• 23:58
  particularly it's one wave a year.
• 24:00
  You need to keep. Reinventing stuff.
• 24:01
  And as Mal said, you know, they're showing you armour types
• 24:05
  and this sort of thing. You know, you start going back
• 24:07
  to the army of the Odysseus, for instance, in a full wave and
• 24:10
  that and all of a sudden you've got five more nights and there's
• 24:14
  only so many night parts you can do or you know, design and that
• 24:17
  sort of thing. So no, totally disagree with the
• 24:21
  poster on this one. I think what this would have
• 24:24
  done was maybe given more certainty to people about what's
• 24:26
  coming, but. It.
• 24:28
  Exciting is what we have now. We don't really know.
• 24:32
  Plus I think we're pretty sure we're, you know, we're pretty
• 24:35
  sure we're going to get the great beasts as we go along in
• 24:38
  other various ways. And so, OK, that's uncertain
• 24:42
  when they'll come, but I don't think we're going to miss out on
• 24:45
  the great beasts. And even if you think of Celine
• 24:48
  and Helios would, which would have probably been part of that
• 24:52
  if they continued to do it like this, we'll get them as well,
• 24:56
  I'm sure at some point, yeah. Yeah, that.
• 25:01
  Rich, I'm sorry, I took one of your comments.
• 25:03
  No, I didn't. Legendary Verbarian isn't that
• 25:06
  cool? I told you whoever this.
• 25:09
  Was I love them I totally agree with them on this one and then
• 25:12
  I'll let you 2 talk nonsense about it it's.
• 25:15
  Going to be someone like Brett or Joe Bruce.
• 25:17
  So he's someone he's obsessed with, some other.
• 25:21
  Form. Of character.
• 25:23
  I am not going to say what it is, even if I can go back and.
• 25:28
  It's it is if you like that sort of thing, as with everything,
• 25:33
  you know, I would say the same thing about a bunch of the
• 25:36
  nights. They're not that cool like
• 25:38
  everyone seems to think they are.
• 25:40
  You know, it's so it's just what your preference is, isn't it?
• 25:43
  On this one, Not to sound too defensive, not much.
• 25:50
  But. I think the thing about the
• 25:52
  barbarian is it uses it is that is a barbarian you would get
• 25:59
  from a standard barbarian game. Previously the Barbarians were
• 26:04
  getting kind of had a bit of armour on them because that's
• 26:07
  was the part you had. Whereas actually Barbarians in
• 26:11
  literature don't really have a lot of armour.
• 26:14
  They'll have the odd little bit, but, you know, not armoured
• 26:17
  gauntlets, armoured legs, armoured waists.
• 26:20
  Yeah, you could. You could literally use
• 26:22
  depending on what what route they go with the RPG.
• 26:24
  You could use a legendary barbarian as a figure in that.
• 26:26
  It's perfect for that already. You know, it's like the hero
• 26:30
  quest game from years ago which they've redone.
• 26:32
  That's exactly what that barbarian looked like.
• 26:34
  Yeah, exactly. Which is why the people who like
• 26:36
  Barbarians like it so much. Look.
• 26:39
  It's the best barbarian in the line.
• 26:41
  And previously the deluxe barbarian was probably one of
• 26:45
  the best figures in the line. Yeah.
• 26:46
  And and people, like so many people said that would have been
• 26:50
  the figure that they maybe would have tried to introduce people
• 26:53
  to the line with. So it's definitely cool.
• 26:55
  I think the, so the Armoury Gladiators took the shine a
• 27:00
  little bit off the barbarian because it was more of that type
• 27:04
  of character, whereas the barbarian was kind of, you know,
• 27:09
  stood out more. Maybe, maybe that's it.
• 27:12
  Maybe because I got the few armouries that I wanted that I
• 27:17
  don't feel like I'm missing out. Plus we're going to get them
• 27:20
  again soon, right? Here's a longer one.
• 27:24
  The difference between the one point O body and the two point O
• 27:27
  is too vast. There needs to be a 1.5 body or
• 27:31
  slightly more regularly regular proportions, less muscles.
• 27:35
  Basically in terms of humanoid figures, good for bigger women
• 27:39
  and smaller men. Ideally compatible with 1.0
• 27:42
  figures for the lines of modularity.
• 27:45
  So we're talking about Navy here and VORGA in Cosmic?
• 27:50
  Yeah. I mean, it feels like they're
• 27:51
  starting to do that, doesn't it? Yeah, but.
• 27:53
  They're both, I mean, they're both fully one point.
• 27:55
  I mean, you can tell my reaction about that aside heavily when
• 27:57
  this one came up because I had spotted this one before.
• 28:00
  It's a ridiculous idea. It's like, do you expect the
• 28:03
  four horsemen to like go, yeah, let's have 1.251.51.75, let's
• 28:08
  just bankrupt ourselves making a million moles.
• 28:10
  So I'm going to rant, but it's it's just, you know, there's
• 28:13
  well, if there. Were 1.0.
• 28:14
  If there were 1.0 compatible, you know with the with the ports
• 28:20
  to to stick in the pieces then. Like.
• 28:24
  For a figure, it's just. That's the thing, you know.
• 28:28
  If you if you want a slightly thinner torso, commissioning
• 28:30
  someone to make a 3D parts OK. I don't think it makes sense of
• 28:35
  Horseman. I'm sorry I have a bit of a rant
• 28:37
  there. No sympathy here, let's move on.
• 28:41
  I want civilian characters and more and bigger diorama pieces.
• 28:46
  That's you meet. You have to mute me in a minute.
• 28:49
  You gonna have to come to legions can't and buy some
• 28:53
  customs and buy some dioramas the.
• 28:56
  Civilians, they, they seem like a fun idea, but realistically
• 29:02
  where, why? What?
• 29:04
  You know, he's like, oh, I want to I've never understood people
• 29:09
  wanting an action figure of a really plain thing like, you
• 29:15
  know, farmer, Oh, here we go. So a guy in clothes, you know,
• 29:21
  and, and I've never understood that.
• 29:22
  Diorama pieces. I really like what they do with
• 29:26
  the diorama pieces. I hope we do get more bigger.
• 29:30
  It would be its own thing, though.
• 29:32
  Then I think you wouldn't want that plugged into a wave.
• 29:35
  But yeah, that'd be quite cool. Like, you know, things like, I
• 29:38
  suppose say diorama pieces, but maybe a bit of a vehicle, a bit
• 29:42
  of a ship or something like that.
• 29:43
  That'd be cool. Yeah.
• 29:46
  I'd agree with that. I think diorama pieces are
• 29:48
  great, but the civilian characters, as you said, well,
• 29:50
  it's a good idea until you actually do it, and then nobody
• 29:53
  would buy them. Look, we've done the bartender
• 29:56
  so well, yeah, it's a guy wearing a shirt and like on
• 29:59
  trousers. It's like people just aren't
• 30:01
  going to buy it. You know, we had the tale of the
• 30:03
  1000 swigs to try and offload the the the so many swigs they
• 30:08
  they had leftover. We'd have the tale of the what,
• 30:10
  200,000 farmers? Yeah, the.
• 30:13
  City of Civilians. You'd.
• 30:17
  Have people up and, you know, trying to, you know, trying to
• 30:21
  get the whole legions con floor just full of these guys do a
• 30:26
  display. It'd just be like, no.
• 30:28
  It just, it just wouldn't go. It just wouldn't buy them.
• 30:31
  I wish the pelvis piece was innovative.
• 30:33
  I also wish the werewolf came with an additional pieces ankles
• 30:38
  and pelvis to make a completely armorless werewolf.
• 30:44
  I think we get there with the second part of that.
• 30:47
  The. Pelvis piece being innovative, I
• 30:49
  don't know in what way. Can anyone think of ways that
• 30:53
  you could innovate? Based on what it says here is
• 30:56
  perhaps talking a bit about what they did with the Jersey Devil
• 30:59
  where they gave it a piece that made it look like, you know, you
• 31:04
  didn't need a belt. That's what I take that as with
• 31:06
  it being taught as a werewolf and from a work for the
• 31:09
  werewolf. I actually kind of agree.
• 31:11
  Yeah, I'd like us to be able to get a fully naked Legions
• 31:16
  werewolf. Miles leading the naked legions
• 31:21
  charge. Here we go.
• 31:23
  Actually, I don't want civilians.
• 31:24
  I want you little beach diorama demon wings and you know a boom
• 31:31
  boom hole in the front so you can plug in your Jenna Taylor of
• 31:36
  your but. No anomalous Well would be
• 31:39
  really cool down the road. I think we might get one.
• 31:41
  I think they might maybe do it as more like a brute scale sort
• 31:45
  of thing, because obviously they this isn't a werewolf and it's
• 31:47
  it's ogre, so it's absolutely enormous.
• 31:50
  So yeah, they might go on with us, but slightly slower.
• 31:53
  When Dad Jesus close, you know, stick that I'm.
• 31:56
  Kind of, no, I'm kind of trying to think, is he, is he armoured?
• 32:01
  No, he wears. He wears wraps though, doesn't
• 32:05
  he? So bothers him too armoured.
• 32:08
  He's. Not rude, Yeah.
• 32:11
  It's just that he has a waste belt.
• 32:13
  He relies, OK, he doesn't have the bit that the Jersey Devils
• 32:16
  got, which where? Is he going to put his weapons?
• 32:19
  Well, you got to hide the moment.
• 32:24
  OK, let's. Move on before this.
• 32:28
  Here. We go rich cosmic needs human
• 32:30
  characters. John, get the beat button ready.
• 32:37
  Don't do. This to me, no.
• 32:38
  Anyone listening to our show knows I abhor the idea of human
• 32:42
  characters and cosmic cosmetium. It's it's space, it's different,
• 32:46
  it's not people from Earth just going around.
• 32:49
  Have you? Seen Alien though the movies?
• 32:52
  Yeah, I've got no problem with humans in space, in the movies
• 32:56
  and that sort of thing. But with the new tip.
• 32:57
  Element. It's nice to get just get away
• 33:00
  from that, OK? It's.
• 33:02
  Yeah. So for me, keep a hashtag.
• 33:04
  Keep. Cosmium human free do.
• 33:07
  You think it would sell more though?
• 33:09
  Probably This is why I don't run a business selling actual
• 33:12
  figures, because I don't want that word.
• 33:16
  It's. True.
• 33:17
  Yeah, Yeah. This, this needs to be said.
• 33:19
  Yeah. We, we, we are not taking in
• 33:21
  commercial considerations too much here anyway, Mal human.
• 33:24
  And you were the the biggest cosmic fan in the Europe for
• 33:27
  anything. Yeah, as long as it's cosmic.
• 33:30
  It's more the style, isn't it? And you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 33:34
  yeah. Why not give them a?
• 33:35
  Good story, at least if they're going to, you know, they can't
• 33:38
  just be popping up, you know? And we need more 2.0 bodies and
• 33:44
  they should be shown with the same love as 1.0 bodies with the
• 33:47
  volume of release and volume of new and updated parts.
• 33:51
  And then we would have no toy line.
• 33:53
  This. Is just.
• 33:55
  Amazing me on this show, yeah. I made sure to get the ones that
• 33:59
  you take for sure. Yeah.
• 34:02
  We wouldn't have a toy line left, I think, if they went down
• 34:04
  that road. They have to be smart enough.
• 34:08
  While. Keeping the variety I.
• 34:10
  Often think this actually, I I actually would love to see more
• 34:15
  2.0 parts and new parts and figures because I I don't mind
• 34:19
  them. I quite like them.
• 34:20
  But yeah, they've said themselves they don't they just
• 34:23
  don't sell female figures in in mythic in anything.
• 34:26
  They don't sell as well as I'm going.
• 34:28
  To say they've done studies haven't they?
• 34:29
  Female figures across all toy lines just don't sell any you
• 34:32
  know? It's not even close.
• 34:34
  So I can see why they do less of that.
• 34:36
  I mean I have to admit I've said before Vampire Night is my
• 34:38
  favourite figure, still is. I really do like the 2.0 vampire
• 34:42
  builds but at the same time the one point ones are cool and
• 34:46
  beefy and they could face off with the night.
• 34:48
  Whereas. The two point zeros might be a
• 34:50
  bit lesser. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of 2.0
• 34:55
  so I hope they don't do that, but it has its time and its
• 34:58
  place for the right characters. My favourite 2.0 is the goblins.
• 35:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that that's awesome.
• 35:07
  Very. Exciting about these but are
• 35:09
  coming up because of the arts he's got let's you know, cough
• 35:14
  goods basically. Yeah.
• 35:17
  Yeah, the boots and stuff like that.
• 35:18
  I was going to. Say, this is another thing,
• 35:20
  isn't it me go No 2.0 No. And that's about umpire night.
• 35:23
  And then you mentioned this baton like really?
• 35:27
  I think I think is it is it mainly then 2.0 that just are
• 35:32
  kind of normal proportioned like, you know, like a nice,
• 35:36
  like the two point the steel knight and the are not.
• 35:39
  I don't like them at all. I've been, I've been given them
• 35:42
  away recently. You know, if I've been doing
• 35:45
  trades of people or you know, thrown in if anyone's looking
• 35:48
  for to, you know, Steel Knight legs, I have in the past just
• 35:53
  giving them away for free because I'm not keeping them.
• 35:57
  They're 2. Of my least favourite characters
• 35:58
  figures in the whole line. Yeah, they just, Yeah.
• 36:02
  And initially I was really excited about them because they
• 36:04
  wanted to get them some Knights figures.
• 36:05
  But then when I eventually got a 1.0 night, it was like, this is
• 36:09
  what I was looking for. Well, now I don't need to take
• 36:12
  the same night and put just 40 different custom heads on it and
• 36:16
  call that a collection either, you know?
• 36:19
  Yeah. Although there's nothing wrong
• 36:20
  about it, people do that the. Faces of named characters should
• 36:23
  be unique and not repainted for other figures.
• 36:26
  So we're talking about Scapular being used on Sir Gerard.
• 36:31
  We're talking about Attila being used now on multiple characters
• 36:36
  like the cosmic guy, Fisher Rice.
• 36:41
  He's been used on He's what are the one did I see him in
• 36:45
  recently? Captain Holiday, Lieutenant
• 36:49
  Holiday, yes, yeah, OK. That's a non mythic thing so I
• 36:53
  can get behind that. Or you know, non mythic or
• 36:56
  cosmic Adamon and Atlas. Yeah, I don't know.
• 37:05
  I I get what they say in but oh. Trace, of course, or you know
• 37:11
  that head, yeah. Yeah.
• 37:13
  Well, that's kind of the one, isn't it?
• 37:15
  That kind of. Delphina as well, all over the.
• 37:17
  Place, Yeah. Yeah, I do get it, but.
• 37:21
  I do also. There is amazing things you can
• 37:23
  do with paint and that the horsemen have done with paint,
• 37:25
  you know, to make it unique. Yeah.
• 37:27
  Yeah. Rich, you got an opinion here
• 37:30
  while you wrestle with the mic I.
• 37:32
  Totally agree with the the commenter, but at the same time
• 37:36
  that's boring. Make any financial sense
• 37:38
  whatsoever for the horsemen to do it.
• 37:40
  Using parts saves money. It's why you get the cool parts
• 37:43
  and the figures you know have been as comparatively low priced
• 37:47
  compared to similar things as they have been.
• 37:49
  It's, you know, it's just economics.
• 37:52
  And to be fair, they don't do it that often.
• 37:54
  OK with no, I think you there. But you think about how many
• 37:57
  heads other than non character heads you know.
• 38:00
  How many heads? I think for the main, for the
• 38:02
  most part, you know, if it isn't another really important
• 38:05
  character and if it isn't maybe their main head, you know, if
• 38:09
  their alternative head in a female is maybe the Trace head
• 38:13
  or or the Delphina head, and you still have another head that can
• 38:16
  be the main head for that new character.
• 38:19
  That kind of stuff is cool, you know, so or.
• 38:23
  I guess another way to do it would be stop doing two
• 38:26
  different heads in packs and just say this is the figure,
• 38:28
  this is the head it comes with, and then we'll use that tooling
• 38:31
  budget for the second head. Yeah, on.
• 38:33
  Another new head rather than reusing head down the line sort
• 38:36
  of thing. Yeah, OK.
• 38:41
  When they take the face of trace or do ban and just put it.
• 38:45
  In. A bunch of other figures, they
• 38:46
  start to feel generic cheap army builders instead of beloved
• 38:50
  characters. So I just want to put this in
• 38:51
  here to show that it's it's more than a few people were were
• 38:56
  saying this opinion. So yeah, the ban was another
• 38:59
  one. Yeah, of course more parts
• 39:01
  should remain sacred. Gorgo Etherblade is less cool
• 39:04
  because so many other figures use his helmet, so it's again on
• 39:07
  the same theme. I don't agree.
• 39:09
  I don't agree with the helmets as such.
• 39:11
  Yeah, non non helm, sorry non character heads I don't agree
• 39:16
  with at all because there's so many are only so many armour
• 39:20
  designs, even though there are a lot of armour designs Yeah, but.
• 39:25
  Do you think Rich? Yeah.
• 39:26
  Totally agree with Malc. It's like you know there's only
• 39:29
  so much you can do without now. Maybe, for example, for Gorgol,
• 39:35
  they could give him more unique attachments to the helmet.
• 39:40
  Now he does have the what is it, the tree branch thingies, and he
• 39:45
  has the bat wings. Does he have the bat wings as
• 39:48
  well? I think so, yeah.
• 39:51
  So maybe you could make them unique and it's a smaller piece
• 39:55
  and you can still then get plenty of use out of the helmet.
• 39:58
  But yeah, I think. Gorgos.
• 40:01
  The colour. It's the colour that makes them
• 40:02
  unique, you know? Yeah, if you met a Legion
• 40:05
  builder, you know, in the same style, just slightly less
• 40:10
  colour. It's bought red and black wood.
• 40:13
  Yeah, that would be annoying My. Favourite helmet which I'd
• 40:17
  literally take in absolutely every colour under the sun and
• 40:20
  be happy so. Well I think the last two
• 40:23
  Armoury Experiences 2 have shown that people will happily buy the
• 40:26
  same helmets in multiple colours and they actually like and enjoy
• 40:30
  that. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 40:33
  Hand packs should have hands that are in clearly different
• 40:37
  positions. Now.
• 40:39
  This seems someone that seems to have a very specific issue with
• 40:43
  as maybe a particular hands pack or or something.
• 40:47
  I mean, it's not the way I collect mostly I think.
• 40:54
  They'll have some of the repeated, but that's surely
• 40:57
  maybe. They don't realise that the
• 40:58
  hinge some of them are vertical hinged and some of them are
• 41:01
  horizontal hinged and they look exactly the same unless until
• 41:05
  you see where the hinges. But I generally end up not using
• 41:10
  that much out of the hands packs so I can't say this bothers me
• 41:15
  too much. It's good to have different
• 41:17
  types of hands in the line and it's good to have hands that
• 41:20
  maybe if you have a cosmic character and you want them to
• 41:22
  hold the blaster properly with the with the vertical hinge, for
• 41:26
  example, that's great. And the same with the swords,
• 41:30
  you know, being able to use them a certain way and the magic user
• 41:34
  with the handouts, but. At the end of the day, there's
• 41:37
  only so many different hand positions you can have.
• 41:41
  Well, not according to Mezco. I would say I was going.
• 41:44
  To say this is somebody who wants the middle finger, yeah.
• 41:47
  Middle finger, but two fingers, somebody count count into 3
• 41:51
  counties. Like where are we going to go
• 41:53
  with this? It's just like.
• 41:54
  No middle fingers in with us, no right?
• 41:59
  Bald and locks are not the only hair options for black
• 42:02
  characters. I would agree with that 100%.
• 42:04
  Yeah, it just. Seems maybe unfortunate that
• 42:07
  that is the only her options so far.
• 42:12
  I mean, although was iconic in the first wave and and it was
• 42:15
  definitely, you know, it's it's really fantasy because it's not
• 42:19
  realistic for, you know, mediaeval night to have
• 42:21
  dreadlocks, as far as I know. You know, maybe there was, but
• 42:25
  they wouldn't have been as cool looking, that's for sure.
• 42:28
  It's one of. Those isn't it?
• 42:29
  There's possibly an element of concern over being culturally
• 42:33
  insensitive, whilst not meaning to be.
• 42:38
  It'd be I'd be interested to whoever, but to you know what,
• 42:41
  what type of her hair they want, you know what, what they're
• 42:45
  looking, what they're thinking. What's named Gadriel, she has
• 42:49
  just very short cropped hair, so that's not bald.
• 42:52
  So let's give them props for that one.
• 42:56
  But yeah, of course, hopefully the next black character they do
• 43:01
  has a different haircut again. That would be cool.
• 43:06
  The amount of avoidable slash rookie QC issues increases in
• 43:12
  each new wave. Anyone feel this is correct?
• 43:16
  This is a nonsense comment, OK? This is a comment from somebody
• 43:20
  that's either drinking the kool-aid to people that moan
• 43:23
  about legions or have had one part go wrong, probably through
• 43:26
  their own fault. They're trying to move something
• 43:28
  when it wasn't ready to move. The horsemen have said numerous
• 43:31
  times like the proportions of QC issues aren't increasing.
• 43:38
  You know, it's it's not an issue.
• 43:42
  Yeah, whatever. We got last.
• 43:47
  Mouse King No bother with things.
• 43:50
  Excellent. But I'm thinking armoury.
• 43:52
  Figures were grand, yeah. Armoury figures were excellent.
• 43:55
  And the OK, there was one small thing with Trivalgard with the
• 44:00
  wobbly neck on the head, I. Think you know the cosmic?
• 44:07
  The Cosmic Legions wave was perfect to the Ox crew.
• 44:10
  There was no common issue. I mean, I'm sure there's the odd
• 44:13
  issue here and there. I mean, OK, Mouse King, I
• 44:15
  remember one couple of people said that the big, huge piece
• 44:20
  does cause paint to chip off the thing.
• 44:22
  And I think that is true, yeah. And the swords, I suppose, were
• 44:25
  bent a little bit, weren't they? But then I've got one that was
• 44:29
  one that wasn't so. Yeah, and.
• 44:32
  Then these are just things that happen, yeah.
• 44:36
  They are, yeah. I mean, it's, you know, like
• 44:38
  there are some companies who remain nameless here who did the
• 44:42
  entire wave of figures who just fall over because the ankles
• 44:45
  were nonsense. You know, that that's a rookie
• 44:48
  QC thing. They haven't actually checked
• 44:50
  that at all, whereas. And who is it?
• 44:52
  Nacelle did the Star Trek figures now and they're having
• 44:55
  to do basically the whole again. Is it new heads or the whole
• 45:03
  figure? I think it was a whole.
• 45:05
  Figure, but it's the whole figure.
• 45:06
  Yeah, yeah, they showed. The head and it was, oh, it was
• 45:09
  terrible. Yeah, so.
• 45:11
  And the Mask, the truck from Mask, what's the name of it
• 45:15
  again? From Loyal, The Loyal.
• 45:18
  Well, I mean, if anyone's surprised, that little surgery
• 45:21
  thing. Is, but that's totally garbage
• 45:23
  as well. More for them, yeah.
• 45:24
  And anyone's bought Necker stuff?
• 45:26
  I mean, I don't buy much Necker stuff.
• 45:28
  I think it has got better over the years, but you know for a
• 45:30
  long time it was like you look at a figure on your brakes.
• 45:33
  Yeah, you know, let's say you know, for a line and it is
• 45:38
  designed to be popped and swapped.
• 45:41
  The. Norwegians lines, so therefore
• 45:44
  it does get much more rough play than others.
• 45:48
  You know, a lot of other lines, people just take them out gently
• 45:51
  put the weapon in and pop them on the shelf.
• 45:55
  So I think legions are going to be pushed through their price
• 45:59
  paces more and I think they do stand up to it pretty well.
• 46:02
  And we're not just being apologies because we have
• 46:03
  Allegiance podcast. So of course we would say that.
• 46:06
  No, I mean like the the syrup check and his problems were
• 46:09
  standing. Yeah, I've talked.
• 46:11
  I've always said that you could say that's maybe a rookie
• 46:14
  mistake. Maybe it should have been look
• 46:16
  at that sort of thing. But you know, that's few and far
• 46:18
  between. It's not like and.
• 46:19
  Like with syrup chasing, we're all friends with Big Greg, who's
• 46:23
  named after. Of course, it'd be easier just
• 46:26
  to say, oh, it's a great figure and you know, be nice to Greg
• 46:31
  when you see him, but you have to call it how it is as well.
• 46:34
  You know. Right, helmets and plumes should
• 46:37
  come with a way to plug the hole so and also plugs for the
• 46:43
  shoulder holes. So you know the pauldron holds
• 46:47
  in the in the figure that you just be able to pop a bit of
• 46:49
  plastic in there and mix it covered up and the helmet as
• 46:53
  well. Helmets would look weird, I
• 46:54
  think, with the plug holes. Maybe.
• 46:56
  Maybe there's one helmet that doesn't like the Google helmet.
• 47:00
  Dave Williams has a cool solution to that.
• 47:03
  He buys these little plugs that can get on Amazon and they fit
• 47:08
  the whole Yeah, perfectly. Yeah, I mean, maybe, but also
• 47:17
  whenever. It's never bothered me, no.
• 47:19
  Normally I can totally see where the person's coming from with
• 47:21
  this, but then it's extra pieces that you're probably going to
• 47:25
  lose because they're small. And then if you put that in to
• 47:28
  fill the hole trying to get it out, you probably likely to
• 47:30
  scuff the figure. Is not scuff the figure.
• 47:33
  It's something as a design. To be wearing generally and
• 47:36
  they're. On the back, and I think there
• 47:38
  is some figures where they have done it and like the scaly body,
• 47:45
  like for example on Koi you can put the fin thing in the back.
• 47:48
  Yeah, that covers up the holes. And there is a piece that also
• 47:51
  plugs in the back that goes into the pauldron holes.
• 47:54
  So you when you have the figure without the pauldrons, they have
• 47:58
  that. So I think they are doing stuff.
• 48:01
  And what's his name? The big orange guy Kragner,
• 48:04
  doesn't he have little things to go in there?
• 48:07
  So, you know, I think they're trying.
• 48:10
  I think it's more difficult with the Knights and stuff like that.
• 48:13
  But then the soft goods also covers a lot of the stuff, you
• 48:15
  know, you know, and OK, they leave the holes in soft goods
• 48:19
  for the Baldwins. But, and mostly with all of
• 48:22
  those figures, you would have to pauldron, yes.
• 48:24
  I mean, if they're going to change anything like that, it
• 48:26
  would be the the rectangular hole for the wing adapter thing
• 48:29
  in the yeah. That should.
• 48:31
  Be covered first because you know you didn't get the adapters
• 48:34
  anymore. They're robbing those of the
• 48:35
  adapters now. Now.
• 48:37
  When? When we get our farmer or our,
• 48:40
  you know, butcher figure then that might be a problem.
• 48:46
  More availability of female characters with variety.
• 48:50
  Like we kind of address the 2.0 this in the 2.0 but they don't
• 48:53
  sell. Yeah, right.
• 48:58
  Human heads look too large out of proportion compared to
• 49:01
  helmeted ones without pauldrons. The geometries of the head and
• 49:04
  the shoulders looks weird to me in one point those there should
• 49:07
  be more advantage taking different style of face guards
• 49:10
  for Knights helmets. I think we're starting to see
• 49:13
  this more recently, at least the use of raisable face guards.
• 49:18
  I mean Gideon, the first Gideon had a face guard that you could
• 49:22
  put up and down. So no, I don't say this doesn't.
• 49:28
  Maybe I'm used to it. Maybe I'm, you know, biassed
• 49:31
  into it now. Yeah, I think, I think, I think
• 49:34
  they are a tiny bit bigger than maybe, you know, normal
• 49:37
  realistic proportions. But it's never been an issue for
• 49:40
  me at all. I mean, that might be my
• 49:42
  collecting back, my collecting background where as long as I
• 49:45
  collected initially was like super deformed stuff and and
• 49:48
  that sort of thing where the heads were a bit bigger.
• 49:51
  But now for me it's they're absolutely fine.
• 49:53
  I don't see any problem with them at all.
• 49:54
  In fact, a couple of 3D companies like Uncle Jim, for
• 49:57
  instance, you do amazing weapons.
• 49:59
  They've started doing heads now, and those heads are proportioned
• 50:03
  much more in line with the human form, and they look ridiculously
• 50:06
  small, automatic. Yeah, I think they're
• 50:10
  proportioned well for the body I.
• 50:11
  Mean my favourite head in the line is one of the biggest heads
• 50:15
  in the line, and that's Atlas, isn't it?
• 50:17
  And I really, really like that head and the way it looks.
• 50:21
  In all my customising with third party heads, the only problems
• 50:25
  I've ever had is the odd head has been too small.
• 50:28
  Never really came across a head that was too big.
• 50:31
  So yeah, maybe that that data tells you something about me or
• 50:35
  the way the figures are built in proportioned same.
• 50:37
  Exactly same here, John. Yeah, Small's only ever been the
• 50:40
  issue. Wings fall out or start to sag.
• 50:43
  The plug in the plugs need to be longer and the ports deeper and
• 50:48
  maybe not smooth, not round. Yeah, there is.
• 50:52
  There is a problem with those wings.
• 50:54
  I can't disagree with this comment that they are right.
• 50:56
  Wings do struggle. Even the specs in wings, Yeah,
• 51:01
  no, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:02
  I tend to have them sort of down anyway, but yeah, they, yeah,
• 51:07
  all of the wings on every character.
• 51:10
  Sometimes they're spot on, sometimes they're a bit heavy
• 51:14
  and you know, you can't. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:17
  I'm sure this has been addressed by Chris on on on 4:00-ish
• 51:22
  o'clock or one of those. But to find it now, I don't
• 51:25
  know. But yeah, I think this is just a
• 51:29
  difficult thing to do and maybe there could be a better
• 51:33
  solution. I certainly can't offer it, but
• 51:36
  I wish they were a little bit better.
• 51:39
  Yeah. Totally agree.
• 51:41
  Which is. Why I wouldn't buy wings back
• 51:43
  now just because I know it won't be frustration.
• 51:48
  Having all the difference face face plates to be keyed
• 51:50
  differently defeats the entire purpose of a face plate system,
• 51:54
  and to say it's to preserve the sculpt is just an excuse for
• 51:58
  poor planning. Still love the horsemen though.
• 52:01
  OK, someone. Getting personal with this one.
• 52:04
  So this. Was actually slightly addressed
• 52:08
  in that some of those face plates weren't ever designed to
• 52:11
  be face plates. Right.
• 52:13
  And they didn't know themselves they were going to be face
• 52:16
  plates until the factory keyed them and keyed them separately,
• 52:21
  right? And they just went, oh, well,
• 52:23
  there you go. We can just keep it so it's so.
• 52:25
  There were supposed to be full heads, you know, the face plate
• 52:28
  in. Yeah, OK.
• 52:29
  Yeah. It was addressed on the I think
• 52:32
  it was the what do you call it, the pop and swap episode for.
• 52:37
  Horror, not horrified. It's on Jeremy's channel.
• 52:40
  It's also on The Four Horsemen. Yeah.
• 52:42
  Yeah, and it was, I'm sure it was Joe who said it.
• 52:44
  Joe Basavolo, you mentioned it. No.
• 52:48
  What? I will say is that the face
• 52:49
  place are not all the same size. So that also stuff like the
• 52:54
  skeleton face plates though. Yeah.
• 52:56
  I mean, that's where I think it's annoying because if you
• 52:59
  have a skeleton face plate, you'd love to be able to pop it
• 53:01
  into any face plate adapter you have for sure.
• 53:07
  But what do you think, Rich? Yeah.
• 53:09
  I agree. You know, in hindsight, do you
• 53:12
  want everything to absolutely fit into the same?
• 53:15
  Yeah, same thing, but you know, some scopes are just different.
• 53:19
  You know what? Miles said.
• 53:20
  It's good to hear that. That explains a lot of it as
• 53:22
  well. Yeah, fair.
• 53:24
  Enough I missed the old armour details on the Kickstarter
• 53:29
  Knight and the 2.0 knight bodies.
• 53:31
  I wish there was an updated version of those filigree
• 53:33
  instead of a shift to a more generic historically accurate
• 53:38
  armour, since armour was oftentimes used as in fashion as
• 53:42
  well as functional military equipment.
• 53:45
  That's probably why I like Gideon version 2 and Enoch so
• 53:47
  much since they have lots of armour accents.
• 53:52
  OK. I thought the armour was getting
• 53:54
  more detailed. No, for the most part.
• 53:57
  Maybe the odd one like the Valiant.
• 53:59
  Like maybe I'd. Say so.
• 54:00
  I mean, the original Kickstarter stuff in my mind is relatively
• 54:03
  plain. So yeah, I'm slightly surprised
• 54:05
  by this. Maybe there is more little.
• 54:07
  You know that little thing that goes down the front is with the
• 54:10
  little egg crosses. Slightly more detailed maybe
• 54:13
  then like a valiant knight torso but as that's maybe the
• 54:18
  difference between a display armour and bat armour.
• 54:21
  But. There you go.
• 54:22
  So a lot of the Knights now are getting cloth soft, good tunics,
• 54:28
  aren't they? Which is covering the torso.
• 54:30
  So there's where they're putting the detail in the tunic rather
• 54:35
  than on to the arm. And the arms, I think are more
• 54:38
  detailed. Yeah.
• 54:39
  And then you got, you can definitely do the pauldrons and
• 54:42
  yeah. Better.
• 54:44
  Yes. Better Tricky.
• 54:45
  One I mean, I don't like. I understand what the person is
• 54:48
  getting at. But I.
• 54:50
  Wouldn't say, I wouldn't say the original Kickstarter.
• 54:54
  Now the 2.0 female bodies, like for example the armoured one
• 55:00
  that comes on the Steel Knight and I think that's the one on
• 55:05
  Grisha for example, there's loads of detail and that you
• 55:09
  could be painting dots on those little things all day.
• 55:13
  So I imagine some of the. Hopes.
• 55:17
  Probably. Cost a lot in the factory to get
• 55:19
  painted, you know, with all the paint hits.
• 55:23
  So. It's tricky one.
• 55:24
  I mean, there's. I'm not entirely disagreeing
• 55:25
  with this, but I don't need it either.
• 55:30
  Yeah. If we get Qui on on the puppy
• 55:32
  talk an hour and a half on this question.
• 55:34
  Yeah. Christmas Carol figure obscure
• 55:38
  should have been a 5 pack instead of waiting once a year
• 55:41
  for a character. Takes up time up for other
• 55:44
  winter team releases. I think this is based on the
• 55:47
  assumption they have a load of winter team releases in their
• 55:51
  pocket. Also the price if they don't
• 55:54
  know 5 at once. You're asking someone to pay
• 55:57
  $300 plus for A5 pack. I mean, that's a difficult sell.
• 56:01
  If you have you know, you can sell lots of these things to to
• 56:04
  non mythic telepathism, that sort of stuff.
• 56:06
  So you're going to struggle to know somebody might buy a Father
• 56:08
  Christmas or yeah, a Jacob Marley or whatever sort of thing
• 56:12
  just for the fun of it. But to ask them to spend 300
• 56:15
  plus dollars on A5 pack is another macro entirely.
• 56:19
  Marley There were some parts in that because they do clearly
• 56:23
  think about what people will want in terms of buying things
• 56:27
  for parts and there were parts in that that we still haven't
• 56:30
  gotten in anything else. So they you know if we they
• 56:35
  relieves the five pack, they sell probably 15 pack to one
• 56:39
  person as it is they may well get their £300 from one person
• 56:44
  for one figure so. Yeah, like what?
• 56:50
  Maybe. What?
• 56:52
  I would say, 'cause more time waste from me is in hindsight,
• 56:55
  maybe release and repaints in the retailer wave.
• 57:00
  It's cool and all, but and it does get them to reuse the
• 57:04
  sculpts and you know, maybe that that's financially better from
• 57:06
  them. But maybe stick a Scrooge out in
• 57:08
  the retailer wave, Stick one of the ghosts and the retailer
• 57:11
  wave. Then you get there quicker if
• 57:13
  that's the purpose. And that's a really good idea.
• 57:17
  But. Again, that doesn't really save
• 57:19
  them money and. You know.
• 57:23
  It's funny because I actually really like the fact they're
• 57:25
  doing the the haunted. I forget what the film film is
• 57:29
  called, but the haunted house style very bright blue of the of
• 57:35
  the Christmas Carol figures, but I then also like the muted ones.
• 57:39
  So I quite with that one. I quite like that they're doing
• 57:41
  them both, but they're. Kind of because they've done 2
• 57:44
  now they're kind of wedded to it, Yeah.
• 57:46
  If they do another, they kind of have to do both, don't they?
• 57:50
  Or people are. Somebody's going to be left out.
• 57:54
  Some collector is going to be like, I don't have all the ones
• 57:58
  in this colour scheme. So yeah, I don't know.
• 58:02
  I mean, if I give the example of this episode, of course we could
• 58:05
  have just recorded an extra episode and stuck it out in the
• 58:07
  middle of a week, or we could keep it for when we have a week
• 58:13
  with not much to talk about. And that's what we did.
• 58:16
  So I guess that's a small example of, you know, you have a
• 58:21
  lot of, you have a bunch of stuff that you can release at
• 58:24
  Christmas and you kind of have to ration it out over, you know,
• 58:28
  you assume you're going to be doing it for the next 10
• 58:30
  Christmases. You know, you don't just look at
• 58:34
  this Christmas and what we're doing.
• 58:37
  You know, that's not if you're looking at the long term as a
• 58:41
  business, as a collector, I think we very much look at next
• 58:44
  figure, next figure, you know? Yeah.
• 58:45
  And from the cost of producing it, if you had a 5 figure pack,
• 58:48
  you'd get far fewer new parts. Then you will gain 5 figures
• 58:52
  individually. Yeah, totally.
• 58:55
  M scales should be two packs at nearly the same price but
• 58:58
  without the big dial accessories.
• 59:01
  I mean it's another way of looking at it I don't think.
• 59:04
  And bad value with the M scale. I mean I don't even need the big
• 59:07
  dial pieces. I know it's another hunk of
• 59:09
  plastic. I think the figures are awesome
• 59:12
  in themselves. I think the every company does
• 59:17
  it. The costing is spread across a
• 59:19
  wave of figures. That's why with marvel you'll
• 59:22
  get some characters with lots of accessories and lots of new
• 59:24
  sculpts and some with virtually nothing.
• 59:26
  It's how it works. It's like you know you have a
• 59:28
  set price for the wave and that has he's been across the
• 59:32
  figures. It's not as if they bring an
• 59:34
  entire wave of him, just nothing BIM scale and then charging you
• 59:37
  the same. I actually.
• 59:39
  It's another way of giving us diode pieces that I've already
• 59:42
  said I'd quite like that we get in the diode pieces as much.
• 59:45
  Haven't got the space at the moment.
• 59:47
  Put them up and put them in places.
• 59:49
  So I'm, yeah, I really like what they're doing with them.
• 59:51
  I think he's at any, you know, look at, I forget what his name
• 59:57
  is, the little fox guy. And he's coming with like his
• 59:59
  backpack as well. And and and Byler.
• 1:00:03
  Frost for Yeah. Byler.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, he's he's perfect Little set legacies.
• 1:00:13
  Should have all weapon holding hands available vertical,
• 1:00:16
  horizontal and not just two random hands.
• 1:00:19
  OK or is that 2 deserve better? The fact even though it's the
• 1:00:24
  legions conversion, Sir Valgard was stacked with parts for $55
• 1:00:28
  and even the standard version has an extra set of hands.
• 1:00:32
  Scaffold 2 extra sets, although two extra sets.
• 1:00:36
  Herzog has zero extra hands. OK, someone doesn't like the
• 1:00:41
  fact that Herzog doesn't come with extra hands an.
• 1:00:43
  Orc fan. I don't disagree, I actually I
• 1:00:47
  like when we get loads of different hands, even if I might
• 1:00:50
  not use them all. I quite like to have a relaxed
• 1:00:53
  hand and a hand holding a weapon.
• 1:00:55
  Although he knows Case, he's holding the shield and the
• 1:00:58
  sword, I think people have to not think about sort of Valgard
• 1:01:03
  and what he got that was blatantly Jeff, because it was a
• 1:01:05
  con, not exclusive, but that particular one was a con, a
• 1:01:11
  treat for the con, wasn't it? Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Absolutely, but. Yeah, I do think, yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:18
  I'd be happy with more hands, less.
• 1:01:22
  Hands. It's also really unusual for
• 1:01:25
  them not to have loads of extra hands too.
• 1:01:26
  So yeah, yeah, it was special because he hasn't got extra
• 1:01:30
  hands. He has a lot of new stuff and if
• 1:01:34
  you have one of those old or cans packs he'd be fine.
• 1:01:39
  Thanks. They didn't need to change the
• 1:01:42
  original crusader horse. The racist one, no.
• 1:01:47
  This is nonsense. Of course they needed to change
• 1:01:50
  this is. Trolling.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah, let's move on. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:53
  We don't need to go down that. Some of the shoulder pauldrons
• 1:01:55
  are so large and extravagant that they hamper arm
• 1:01:58
  articulation too much. Alternate and simpler pauldrons
• 1:02:02
  should be included in these cases, or better engineering so
• 1:02:05
  they both look good and play well.
• 1:02:12
  Yeah, well you seem to. You seem to want to reply here
• 1:02:15
  now. I mean, I don't care.
• 1:02:17
  I love the pauldrons. And I mean, I'm not, I'm not.
• 1:02:20
  So what, what, what do people want to do with their figures?
• 1:02:23
  How are they getting imposed in in people's setups?
• 1:02:26
  You know, like. Spider Man.
• 1:02:30
  But the end. I hate it when people say things
• 1:02:32
  like better and Oh yeah because you're an ex I mean.
• 1:02:35
  You can just DNA turn them up a little bit and, and I think
• 1:02:40
  exactly that must be one very specific pauldrons and.
• 1:02:45
  I don't disagree, some of the pauldrons do block a bit of
• 1:02:48
  movement, but again, but. Stick on the pair of pauldrons
• 1:02:53
  yourself and see how you got on, and then you'll see how
• 1:02:56
  realistic they actually are. American football pads in OK,
• 1:03:02
  they can do that. And you know, but I don't think.
• 1:03:05
  Rich. Yeah, I yes, the pauldrons are
• 1:03:11
  huge. Yes, they do hamper posing and
• 1:03:13
  that sort of stuff sometimes, but.
• 1:03:15
  Doesn't bother you as you put them in as you put them in.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah, most people don't get the figures out and put them in a
• 1:03:21
  different pose every day. So I can see why this person
• 1:03:24
  would want different stuff. I totally get it.
• 1:03:26
  I don't disagree necessarily. But again, in practise, most
• 1:03:29
  people get the figure, they put it in a pose they want, they put
• 1:03:34
  on display, and unless their display room is absolutely
• 1:03:37
  enormous, it's not going to be with the figure waving his
• 1:03:39
  things above his head like that sort of thing.
• 1:03:44
  I think I, you know, as, as very standard poses go, that's pretty
• 1:03:48
  badass. Cool.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:03:50
  Pose that on. Don't let John say any
• 1:03:52
  different. That's perfect.
• 1:03:54
  That's perfect. He's waiting.
• 1:03:56
  It is. It is a Razak too.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah. Get a gloss or a Marvel Legend
• 1:04:02
  Spider Man or something you know.
• 1:04:04
  Then you can pose them all day. Deluxe figures with enough parts
• 1:04:09
  to make two different figures, but not enough to make two
• 1:04:12
  complete figures. Correct?
• 1:04:14
  Because otherwise they would charge you for two figures.
• 1:04:18
  I mean, that's the crux of this, isn't it?
• 1:04:19
  Yeah. It's like you pay $55 or $60.00,
• 1:04:22
  whatever it is direct from the horseman, or you pay 85 for a
• 1:04:27
  couple for a couple of bits of lag.
• 1:04:28
  It's like an annual. So many people are popping
• 1:04:31
  swappers, customizers, maybe traded parts.
• 1:04:34
  I mean, you're going to find, especially if you're in America,
• 1:04:38
  you're going to find people on the group.
• 1:04:40
  Like trading? Away parts like torsos, you know
• 1:04:44
  whatever you need feet you can find them for pretty cheap to
• 1:04:49
  make up your you know or you trade away your extras that you
• 1:04:52
  don't want and you make it up. So yeah the otherwise it would
• 1:04:57
  be a 2 pack. I think that is the purpose and
• 1:05:01
  they often give you the best parts.
• 1:05:02
  Like is it in the the one that came with Necronominus the
• 1:05:07
  zombie Zombie? What are they called again?
• 1:05:10
  Of the Undead 2 pack, Yeah. Are.
• 1:05:13
  The builder packs are not 2 packs fun to the trap here, but
• 1:05:16
  they gave you the articulated parts.
• 1:05:19
  They're actually all the parts the third party people are not
• 1:05:22
  allowed to make. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  So you can know that Jeremy was behind that because basically
• 1:05:28
  then that's it. That is 2 figures for people
• 1:05:30
  that go with custom torsos and and feet and stuff like that.
• 1:05:36
  I. Will say it would be good if
• 1:05:38
  like every so often they would do a a crotch pieced pack.
• 1:05:43
  Pieced piece pack. It's easy for me to say and
• 1:05:48
  ankle peg pack and then I would be ecstatic.
• 1:05:52
  What are you doing with your crotch Peaches and ankle pegs?
• 1:05:55
  It's. Going to say figures it's crotch
• 1:05:57
  I. Suppose if you buy.
• 1:05:59
  If. You buy a third party torso.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah. You you couldn't have to use it.
• 1:06:03
  Yeah. Ankles, they you get a lot of
• 1:06:05
  like feet that. Don't have what you do?
• 1:06:09
  More and more when. When they have the really cheap
• 1:06:11
  legion builders, buy a few, break them all down into parts,
• 1:06:15
  throw them in a parts bin, and you'll never have this problem
• 1:06:18
  again. I know it will be an investment
• 1:06:19
  at the start, but that's what I kind of did.
• 1:06:24
  It's not. What I did is I had a bunch of,
• 1:06:26
  you know, these Legion builder reinforcements, those ones.
• 1:06:32
  That. Basically ended up being
• 1:06:34
  everywhere and more at retailers for years.
• 1:06:38
  I had a bunch of those. I had like 2 extra all in's of
• 1:06:40
  those so basically broke one all in down into parts and to the my
• 1:06:44
  past bin and I've never looked for like a torso adapter again.
• 1:06:51
  There's always one there. I'm presuming this person's
• 1:06:54
  going from the point and it's probably is around the undead
• 1:06:56
  builder. Then.
• 1:06:57
  They got it. They want to make two figures,
• 1:06:59
  but they don't want to spend full price on another figure.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah. And then use the extra bits from
• 1:07:04
  this. They're like, Oh, well, if they
• 1:07:05
  just had two figures, then it would be in the price of two
• 1:07:07
  figures and it would say $15 or whatever sort of thing.
• 1:07:13
  Articulated hinge feet is OK. Is our OK in 2025?
• 1:07:20
  Is this like the toe bend sort? Of yeah, no thanks.
• 1:07:24
  No, I'm not keen on those. To be honest, I'm not.
• 1:07:26
  A fan normally either. I think there are some figures
• 1:07:30
  that do it OK, but there's a lot that don't and it looks weird.
• 1:07:36
  Yeah. Maybe when it's really needed, I
• 1:07:39
  mean, we'll see in like some of the creatures in the future.
• 1:07:43
  I think there might, it might pop into the line, yeah.
• 1:07:46
  That would make sense. I think as as ARC and possibly
• 1:07:49
  GOT. I can't remember possibly.
• 1:07:52
  Double jointed joints go against what brought many into the line.
• 1:07:56
  They break up the beautiful scopes for added articulation
• 1:07:59
  that isn't needed. Hidden joints and posable statue
• 1:08:02
  looking figures is what make Mythic Legions special.
• 1:08:06
  So. This is Stephen Bichotti's
• 1:08:07
  answer. Point there not naming names.
• 1:08:12
  Is it? I don't know is he?
• 1:08:14
  He has this very much as his opinion.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah, it does. Sound like him.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah, I. Don't.
• 1:08:19
  I don't disagree, to be honest. Yeah, I mean, I'm not there's.
• 1:08:23
  Enough articulation for me. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:08:26
  Yeah. I'm not going to not buy things
• 1:08:27
  because they've got more articulated elbows and that sort
• 1:08:29
  of stuff. But at the same time, if they
• 1:08:31
  carried on just as it were, I'd be very happy with that.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah, I don't. Think more articulation will
• 1:08:36
  make me buy more because I love the look of the figures as they
• 1:08:38
  are. Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  And that compensates for any maybe slight frustrations there.
• 1:08:44
  From time to time if I want to do a particular pose I'm taking
• 1:08:46
  a picture or something like that, but I'm just popping them
• 1:08:49
  on my chef mostly. Never ever had a problem.
• 1:08:52
  It's funny, isn't it? Because the thing that probably
• 1:08:55
  stopped me from getting into them sooner aside from.
• 1:09:00
  What? You had to go through to get
• 1:09:01
  them and you know, it was still a bit wary of importing figures
• 1:09:05
  at that point. It was probably not the
• 1:09:10
  articulation as much, but the joints and particularly the hips
• 1:09:14
  and that. But the minute I got them I was
• 1:09:17
  in love. It was like the best figures I'd
• 1:09:19
  ever seen and they're still the best figures you can buy and.
• 1:09:23
  We're. Getting more figures with more
• 1:09:25
  articulation. But the horsemen are very
• 1:09:28
  determined. Oh, Eric.
• 1:09:29
  But I think the whole, all of them are very determined to only
• 1:09:34
  do it in a way that maintains that scope, aren't they?
• 1:09:39
  Yeah, I think we'll see Ogres. Should be their own race and not
• 1:09:45
  just bigger orcs. This one confuses me.
• 1:09:50
  This. Confuses me as well.
• 1:09:52
  Yes, OK. I thought ogres were kind of I.
• 1:09:55
  Presume they're basing this on the whole the well, no, there
• 1:10:01
  is. They said at some point that one
• 1:10:03
  of the buyers, I think says that there's there's a race of and
• 1:10:07
  that they call them a particular name and that accounts for the
• 1:10:09
  goblins, the orcs and the ogres. But it doesn't mean they're all
• 1:10:13
  the same race. They just lump, you know,
• 1:10:15
  stereotyping them and just lumping them all in a Great
• 1:10:18
  Unclean group or whatever sort of thing.
• 1:10:20
  Well, they're not just bigger orcs, Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  OK, yeah, as I said, I don't think they're orcs.
• 1:10:30
  I mean we did have different types of ogres, didn't me?
• 1:10:36
  Like the human one and stuff. Or.
• 1:10:38
  Like human skinned one and stuff.
• 1:10:40
  Yeah, we've got half a giant, we've got the cyclops.
• 1:10:42
  Or Caucasian scam to say I don't know if I have an unpopular
• 1:10:47
  opinion so much as folks just shake their head when they see
• 1:10:51
  how little I purchased at the con.
• 1:10:54
  Entitled Just buy whatever you want it might.
• 1:10:56
  Be your first time at the con. So, you know, I you know, I
• 1:10:59
  didn't buy him huge amount first legions can maybe bought more
• 1:11:03
  for people outside of the colon. You know that said, Oh, you're
• 1:11:07
  going when you get me something, you know this particular thing
• 1:11:11
  than I did for myself, But that changes.
• 1:11:15
  Oh yeah. But also well done on the
• 1:11:18
  discipline and if you had a great time, then it doesn't
• 1:11:22
  really matter how much you're lately purchased because I'd
• 1:11:24
  love to be able to go to legions gone purchase nothing and have
• 1:11:27
  the same amount of fun and I probably would, you know, have
• 1:11:31
  the same amount of fun. That's a big.
• 1:11:32
  Step though, isn't it that one? I think, I think the same as
• 1:11:35
  you, John is like, oh, you know, I could just buy like half a
• 1:11:36
  dozen painted heads and then I'll be finding it bad than
• 1:11:39
  else. But doing that in practise is
• 1:11:41
  another matter entirely. It's.
• 1:11:42
  A fun of seeing Rich coming with the painteds, custom or
• 1:11:46
  whatever. You know that and the buzz is
• 1:11:48
  gone, you know? The giant giant box I get into.
• 1:11:52
  It's like the lad that's just scored a last minute penalty for
• 1:11:55
  the for their football team. I do get excited.
• 1:11:58
  I mean, you're cutting you off there, no?
• 1:11:59
  It's all right, it's all right. It's different.
• 1:12:01
  People go for different reasons, don't they?
• 1:12:03
  I do think in toy community and feels like particularly in the
• 1:12:07
  legions community, there are people who spend a hell of a lot
• 1:12:11
  of money on figures. But, and, but then there's
• 1:12:16
  people like us who it's an opportunity for us to get them
• 1:12:19
  at a bit of a cheap price and, and, and more availability of
• 1:12:23
  figures we might not be able to get otherwise and that sort of
• 1:12:25
  thing. People go for all kinds of
• 1:12:27
  reasons. There'll be people there who
• 1:12:28
  don't spend any money at all, who just go for the enjoyment
• 1:12:32
  and I, I. Genuinely think if you if you're
• 1:12:35
  not behind a table and you can resist spending money, you'd
• 1:12:39
  probably have an amazing time. Because we just walk.
• 1:12:41
  Around take it all in you know you might have to run around
• 1:12:45
  initially to get photographs or anything before things start
• 1:12:47
  selling but you can just walk around take it all in and have a
• 1:12:50
  great time you. Know it is also the reason you
• 1:12:54
  do spend a good bit rich is that you are selling stuff as well.
• 1:12:58
  And it helps you know it and it certainly removes the guilt of
• 1:13:02
  maybe spending some of the stuff because you think, well, I've
• 1:13:05
  just, I've just sold this. I now have this money in my
• 1:13:09
  pocket and I'm just going to reinvest in my collection.
• 1:13:12
  And it's actually a 0, a $0.00 transaction.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah, I wouldn't have spent half one day if I wasn't selling
• 1:13:18
  stuff. Yeah, because that's how you
• 1:13:20
  bankrupt yourself. And in the first year, when we
• 1:13:23
  didn't have a table, you were laser focused on what you wanted
• 1:13:26
  and really disciplined for the most part.
• 1:13:28
  I was, yeah, yeah. This time it was a little more
• 1:13:31
  scatter gun, but yeah. A hard disagree here from me.
• 1:13:36
  Please no more 1.0 elves. Badrick is too big.
• 1:13:39
  Badrick is amazing. Sorry, he's one of my favourite
• 1:13:42
  figures. Oh.
• 1:13:43
  I've said so many times I'm not actually a fan of the skinny
• 1:13:46
  elves. It's it's very Lord of the
• 1:13:48
  Rings. And I mean, there's some cool
• 1:13:52
  ones I've got. Funnily enough, the the shadow
• 1:13:54
  elves are the best ones that look like that in my opinion.
• 1:13:59
  But yeah, Partrick's awesome. And this new thief we're getting
• 1:14:02
  looks awesome. So yeah, hard disagree too.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah, I can see where the person's coming from, but yeah,
• 1:14:11
  1.0, I was pretty cool. Mythic Legions Orcs are too
• 1:14:15
  human. They look more like half orcs.
• 1:14:18
  Metsy toys Orcs scale a beautifully.
• 1:14:21
  Mythic legions figures which is awesome so I.
• 1:14:27
  Kind of see what they're saying, because I would, yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Again, it's more Lord of the Rings kind of orc.
• 1:14:34
  Or World of Warcraft kind of made me.
• 1:14:38
  But well, that's what the methi toys are and I actually, and
• 1:14:40
  they are much bigger, yeah. That's what I mean.
• 1:14:42
  Oh yeah, You're saying the Legions ones are more like Lord
• 1:14:45
  of the Rings? Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah, whereas I do like when it, I'm not the biggest Orc fan, but
• 1:14:50
  I do kind of like the Warhammer and the, you know, the the World
• 1:14:54
  of Warcraft sort of looking Orcs.
• 1:14:57
  But yeah, yeah. I think they're in a position
• 1:14:59
  now though, that the brute, like Thornog, you know, that's
• 1:15:04
  probably the size most people would want an orc, I think.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah, but they've done so many 1.0 size ones.
• 1:15:09
  You can't flip the scale completely now because it was
• 1:15:12
  weird. No, I'm not.
• 1:15:14
  Sure, I agree. I.
• 1:15:15
  Don't know, it's difficult, isn't it?
• 1:15:16
  Because actually by the in the law of again, Lord of the Rings,
• 1:15:21
  they're the orcs or elves, which is why they kind of look human.
• 1:15:25
  You know, they're corrupted elves.
• 1:15:27
  If I remember, brightly goblins is a corrupted elves and the
• 1:15:29
  orcs are more of a yeah. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:15:33
  I've never thought. They don't bother me, I like
• 1:15:37
  them. They did remind me of Lord of
• 1:15:39
  the Rings more than Warcraft, but never played Warcraft or any
• 1:15:42
  of these fantasy games so I am not one to talk.
• 1:15:49
  All the people have complained that music subjects articulation
• 1:15:52
  just can't pose a figure and more points of articulation
• 1:15:56
  won't help you. OK, we've been over this.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, I. Really can't come in on an
• 1:16:01
  article on articulation and posing.
• 1:16:03
  I mean, I'm in a bad place on that so.
• 1:16:05
  We need more wing adapters. No, we don't.
• 1:16:08
  So I mean, maybe if you're brand new and it's your first figure
• 1:16:11
  and they have wings if. People want them.
• 1:16:15
  I can start selling $5 a piece at nearest years Legions con,
• 1:16:18
  that's no problem. Here's a Here's one.
• 1:16:20
  The wait time on waves. It's too long.
• 1:16:25
  I tend to agree here. Yeah, I agree as well I'm
• 1:16:28
  afraid. I can totally see why it takes
• 1:16:30
  ages and they don't want to produce stuff in advance
• 1:16:32
  necessarily, but two years is too long and it's always two
• 1:16:35
  years now and. I know there's AI, know there's
• 1:16:38
  a lot of stuff now, but I would like them to be further along.
• 1:16:43
  And they were always saying this was to be their goal.
• 1:16:46
  You know, absolute ideal world. Literally at the point where
• 1:16:51
  they're just looking for production numbers, they're
• 1:16:53
  going to pre-order would be the dream.
• 1:16:57
  But you know, being like literally painting the prototype
• 1:17:03
  finished the night before, you know, the the announcement is
• 1:17:08
  too far out now. As long as we're down the line
• 1:17:11
  and that's given them two year lead times.
• 1:17:14
  Into the waves Ashes of AG Bendor was supposed to be one
• 1:17:18
  year. I know things can happen, but
• 1:17:20
  now it's going to be closer to two years.
• 1:17:24
  You know, is it even going to be over 2 years now?
• 1:17:28
  I mean, it was what, when it hits May, June time, it'll have
• 1:17:32
  been two years since it was since it's yeah, yeah, that
• 1:17:37
  year, 2 years. It's just too long.
• 1:17:41
  Yeah, you know, I mean it will. Never stop me buying me the
• 1:17:43
  legions but. I know because it is still like
• 1:17:47
  every wave is being kick started again, you know, and I know it's
• 1:17:53
  an expensive business. I know there's more costs in it,
• 1:17:56
  but it's very established line to be this long now and they do
• 1:18:01
  do a lot of stuff that's drops in hand like figuras and all
• 1:18:06
  that. Would we prefer if they just
• 1:18:08
  went away and pre-orders were much shorter?
• 1:18:13
  You know, I think. Most people probably would if it
• 1:18:16
  took a vote on it, but then the in drop, you know, the in stock
• 1:18:21
  drops and that sort of stuff off but.
• 1:18:23
  Yeah. You know, like the Dawns of
• 1:18:26
  Discovery, I was really wanting to do the all in, but then I
• 1:18:31
  decided not to because it's just too much money upfront.
• 1:18:33
  So I just got a few and I'll do the rest of the retailer.
• 1:18:37
  And then I'm looking at the retailer orders that I did for
• 1:18:43
  Rising Suns, for example, I ordered a few extra at a
• 1:18:46
  retailer because at that time that's what I was, you know, I
• 1:18:49
  didn't have enough extras. In the meantime, I've got a
• 1:18:51
  bunch of extras and now I have like a couple of 100 quid that I
• 1:18:55
  have to spend a retailer that I don't really want to and I
• 1:18:57
  wouldn't have ordered if that wave or no, if that wave was
• 1:19:04
  coming in a year ago, I would have still been happy with these
• 1:19:07
  extras. Now I don't need them.
• 1:19:10
  Now I can sell them on, you know, or I could, you know, be
• 1:19:14
  really scummy and go to the retailer and say I don't want
• 1:19:16
  to. I.
• 1:19:17
  Don't want them anymore, but I don't want to do that because I
• 1:19:21
  want to support, you know, my local retailer and you know,
• 1:19:26
  whatever. So that's the kind of situation
• 1:19:28
  where well. Realistically, if the retailer,
• 1:19:31
  if people are constantly cancelling their orders, the
• 1:19:33
  retailer stop selling, they won't.
• 1:19:35
  Do them for the next order. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:37
  So this is where it becomes tricky.
• 1:19:40
  So. Yeah, that's the bit I think I
• 1:19:43
  would agree. I it's difficult because I'd,
• 1:19:45
  you know, I don't ever want the quality to be affected by, by
• 1:19:52
  them rushing them out. But yeah, that's I don't want.
• 1:19:55
  It to be rushed out but but like maybe we don't and there would
• 1:19:59
  maybe need to be a gap where there's no pre-order for a
• 1:20:02
  couple of months till we get to a point where we're at We're
• 1:20:06
  further down the line with a couple of things I.
• 1:20:10
  But what you touched on there is actually spot on.
• 1:20:14
  It's that well I don't necessarily have the money now
• 1:20:18
  so I'll pre-order when I can pay later but then two years down
• 1:20:21
  the line I don't know if I've got the money then because what
• 1:20:24
  else is about? So I've the last few waves I've
• 1:20:29
  bought a lot less and just accepted I won't necessarily.
• 1:20:32
  I'll have to try if I want. I decide I want something when
• 1:20:36
  they're released, I'll have to try and get it, but yeah, then
• 1:20:39
  coincide with them saying, well we're going to produce less and
• 1:20:41
  make them more difficult to get a hold of.
• 1:20:43
  So yeah, I. Will not, I will not be pre
• 1:20:47
  ordering extras anymore. You know, a pre-order figures
• 1:20:50
  that I really want. But my.
• 1:20:54
  Extras now will come in when they get to in stock and I'll
• 1:20:59
  take my chances on it because it's just too much stuff that's
• 1:21:03
  on pre-order, you know? I don't know about you guys too,
• 1:21:08
  but if ever I speak to anyone who's not a toy collector, so
• 1:21:11
  work colleague or whatever sort of thing, and I say, Oh yeah,
• 1:21:14
  you know, I've got something or I've been in a couple of weeks
• 1:21:16
  time and I, you know, paid up front for it two years ago and
• 1:21:19
  they're like 2 years ago. And there's just, and I admitted
• 1:21:24
  they don't know about the toy industry that, you know, there's
• 1:21:25
  always a bit of weight with pre-orders.
• 1:21:26
  Yeah, yeah, just to. And then they're like, are you
• 1:21:29
  an idiot? And then there's this sort of.
• 1:21:30
  Attitude as well. It is hard to to explain.
• 1:21:33
  Yeah, and I also went through a phase at some point where every
• 1:21:38
  pre-order ordered was like the week I was away on my holidays.
• 1:21:43
  Oh yeah, you know. And I don't go away that often.
• 1:21:48
  But. It wasn't 3 or 4.
• 1:21:50
  A Lithia, Arathir and another one arrived, all big.
• 1:21:58
  The big massive all inbox arrived when I wasn't here and
• 1:22:02
  nobody was here. Obviously I figured it out with
• 1:22:06
  the neighbour, whatever, but that's the thing.
• 1:22:10
  When you ordered two years in advance, you have no clue what
• 1:22:13
  your circumstances are going to be when that big box arrives.
• 1:22:17
  That's then that is the that's another the dragon.
• 1:22:19
  Is the one, you know, what's going to happen now, Where will
• 1:22:22
  it be if I am not here when the dragon arrives?
• 1:22:24
  I think I might actually have a heart attack because, you know,
• 1:22:29
  I might have to drive to customs to beg to let that thing in, you
• 1:22:31
  know? Can you just, yeah, bring it
• 1:22:33
  home with you? Yeah, right.
• 1:22:38
  That's the other one. Then with me is a rent and there
• 1:22:41
  is a desire to get a house at some point.
• 1:22:44
  So it's quite going to transfer all this stuff over and.
• 1:22:49
  Oh. Yeah, that moving truck, that'll
• 1:22:51
  be an extra moving truck. Yeah, in most cases selling
• 1:22:54
  parts like cart is a bad idea. I mean.
• 1:23:01
  I'm assuming they mean breaking things up and just yeah.
• 1:23:03
  Oh yeah, that's a disaster of an idea.
• 1:23:05
  I mean. People do, but.
• 1:23:07
  Years, no, but I think do they think do they mean this for the
• 1:23:12
  horsemen or for for people that are selling I assume?
• 1:23:16
  They mean people that are selling them.
• 1:23:18
  I don't think so. I mean, as Joe Suiter, he seems
• 1:23:21
  to be doing fine with it. If it's for the, I'm going to
• 1:23:25
  assume it's for the horsemen. You know, that people are saying
• 1:23:28
  they, they wish they could, you know, sell legs online and
• 1:23:32
  torsos and, you know, separate. That would be a disaster for the
• 1:23:37
  line. You know, he wouldn't be so many
• 1:23:40
  bits of figures out in the wild. Just, you know, no, OK.
• 1:23:46
  I prefer the generic knight helmets to the visor helmets
• 1:23:49
  with face plates. I've been a big fan of the
• 1:23:53
  Armoury Knights. All right, well, I like the
• 1:23:58
  visor once I've. Said I like both.
• 1:24:01
  I like both. I just have a bit of variety.
• 1:24:03
  Yeah. You know the visors give you
• 1:24:04
  that. Yeah, Bird, bad articulation and
• 1:24:10
  the whole lot of all. Right, go and buy a line where
• 1:24:14
  they don't reuse the mould. Yeah.
• 1:24:20
  Enjoy that one figure from every line.
• 1:24:23
  And it's not like your opinion, it's just that you're in the
• 1:24:25
  wrong line to like look like something else.
• 1:24:28
  Helping. Yeah, like.
• 1:24:30
  Mundo 1/12 He man figures are over $100 a figure.
• 1:24:37
  That skeletal is definitely using that human body.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, you know, so and OK, Legions might be that level, but
• 1:24:46
  it's a real Ghostbusters. I mean, yeah, yeah, they're.
• 1:24:49
  All wearing the same, they've all got the same bodies and
• 1:24:52
  they're £100 each. It's just.
• 1:24:54
  Weapons should be made of PVC instead of ABS resin blend
• 1:24:58
  plastic. So he wants the really hard
• 1:25:02
  weapons to be like solid hard. Not so sure about that.
• 1:25:07
  They're going to break then much more.
• 1:25:09
  Yeah. In a snap yeah.
• 1:25:11
  I think there's a line like the really thin one that came with
• 1:25:15
  Mouse King. It's very easy to to bend it and
• 1:25:17
  then mine was slightly bent and I heated, heated it too much and
• 1:25:24
  now I can't get it's just a, it is just an elastic band
• 1:25:28
  basically. So yeah.
• 1:25:32
  But I, I got an extra so that's scavenge the sword out of that
• 1:25:36
  and use the other one for parts. So, which was my intention
• 1:25:39
  anyway? So.
• 1:25:40
  It's almost a no win with this. It's like, yeah, you go softer,
• 1:25:43
  people complain. You're harder, people complain.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah, we've all been there. Sounds likely.
• 1:25:49
  To go softer, but yeah. Sounds like my love.
• 1:25:52
  Love. Are we talking about demon wings
• 1:25:53
  here? Right.
• 1:25:56
  Ogre and brute. They're different sizes, but
• 1:25:59
  they technically are the same scale.
• 1:26:01
  OK, this is a pedant. Yeah.
• 1:26:03
  This is a pedant. Yeah, Yeah, is.
• 1:26:05
  This you Rich? It's not me.
• 1:26:07
  No, no. Right.
• 1:26:12
  OK, next, I believe that people who purposely post unpopular
• 1:26:18
  opinions should have been insulted when those opinions are
• 1:26:20
  challenged. Well, I really hope so.
• 1:26:24
  We might be losing a lot of, well, the few viewers we've got.
• 1:26:29
  Well, I can tell you this won't be our only unpopular opinions
• 1:26:32
  episode because we are not even halfway through the opinions
• 1:26:34
  halfway. Now there is more than 100 and
• 1:26:37
  we're on #42 so I reckon we go to around 50 and called quits
• 1:26:41
  for the night and then we'll do another episode in the future,
• 1:26:44
  yeah. Nothing makes me laugh more.
• 1:26:46
  I don't think in the cabal and someone someone's trying to be
• 1:26:48
  clever and going oh, an unpopular opinion or I think
• 1:26:51
  this blah blah. And then someone has the
• 1:26:53
  opposite opinion and they're like, how dare you challenge my
• 1:26:55
  opinion and it's just my. Opinion.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah, mine is your role. There.
• 1:27:05
  Should be more Ogre scale armour, particularly pauldrons.
• 1:27:09
  That includes custom parts. I didn't see any at all at
• 1:27:11
  Legions con. Yeah, I think it will come in
• 1:27:14
  time with more Ogre scale figures.
• 1:27:17
  We've only just got the armoured Ogre scale for example.
• 1:27:21
  Or is it oversize? Actually I should be saying
• 1:27:27
  pauldrons and stuff and you know, yeah what there is going
• 1:27:31
  to be out there. No, it's going.
• 1:27:33
  To take a long while because you can't yeah you know as somebody
• 1:27:36
  with a faction a custom faction that's pretty much all logo
• 1:27:38
  scale figures that takes a lot of display room you know you.
• 1:27:43
  So they can't give us an entire way but bogus scale or whatever
• 1:27:46
  sort of thing. So they're going to come out
• 1:27:47
  slower. So it's going to take longer to
• 1:27:48
  get all the various bits and they.
• 1:27:49
  Cost more and probably sell less for that reason alone.
• 1:27:53
  I'm alone. You ever buy one?
• 1:27:55
  Many customizers are not, you know, only maybe the odd very
• 1:28:01
  few customizers are buying ogres scale or oversized to to
• 1:28:05
  customise because it's a whole lot of painting now.
• 1:28:08
  I've I've always thought to like one or two at most except for
• 1:28:12
  the half giant or I have 15. You have 15 1/2 giant 15.
• 1:28:16
  Half Giants. What?
• 1:28:19
  Are they all different customer heads and stuff?
• 1:28:20
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:21
  And different torsos on some of them I had commissioned.
• 1:28:25
  And this sort of funny show you. Wow, those T boys.
• 1:28:28
  Wow, we need a picture of those. Yeah, stick to a budget.
• 1:28:42
  I think they made too few different orcs for too long.
• 1:28:46
  I switched to other companies from my orc army.
• 1:28:48
  There are and not enough dwarfs. One per wave please.
• 1:28:54
  Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it? I mean.
• 1:28:55
  I wouldn't like a hard and fast rule about any particular
• 1:28:58
  character type per wave. You know, we, they, they have to
• 1:29:01
  creatively decide what works in a wave.
• 1:29:04
  You know they do. And it's, you know, the whole
• 1:29:06
  switch to other companies, I immediately thought, oh, they've
• 1:29:08
  just gone and got loaded meti toys ones and but then the meti
• 1:29:10
  toy Yorks are all the same. They.
• 1:29:13
  Might be slightly different head, or a slightly bit of
• 1:29:15
  armour, but they're all basically the same figure.
• 1:29:17
  Yeah, colours. Yeah, it's it's.
• 1:29:21
  Difficult isn't it? Because actually, whilst I agree
• 1:29:24
  I'd like more dwarves, I also want all the other cool
• 1:29:27
  characters we get in as well. So.
• 1:29:30
  Yeah, I mean, I'd, I would love to see vampires in every single
• 1:29:34
  wave. At least two vampires in every
• 1:29:36
  wave. But it's not going to happen, so
• 1:29:37
  I just suck it up, buttercup. And you've had to suck off
• 1:29:41
  waiting for vampires now for a while.
• 1:29:43
  So vampire, you get a few I mean.
• 1:29:45
  They're not. They're not that popular.
• 1:29:47
  I'm hoping that the follow on from Borrow Einsman might
• 1:29:50
  another. Another fun episode we have to
• 1:29:52
  do soon is our predictions for this year.
• 1:29:55
  Before we do. And we have to review last
• 1:29:58
  year's predictions. I have to go through that
• 1:30:00
  episode and clip out our predictions and we can shameless
• 1:30:03
  we need. To do that sooner rather than
• 1:30:05
  later, I think one of my predictions for this year, I
• 1:30:07
  think will come true. Before we propose, Well, we can.
• 1:30:09
  Say it now then. That when they're showing that
• 1:30:15
  elf, the health, the thing in a couple of weeks time, that's
• 1:30:18
  where the new touring figure will drop as well, because it's
• 1:30:20
  the first show. Maybe it's maybe that's the
• 1:30:24
  touring figure. That 2026 touring figure will
• 1:30:26
  suddenly appear. Oh cool, lots of people are
• 1:30:29
  saying female barbarian. Oh.
• 1:30:33
  No, no, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be the RPG stuff.
• 1:30:36
  It would just be a, you know, by the way, he is a female
• 1:30:39
  barbarian or yeah. OK, the female ballot.
• 1:30:42
  Let's see. The legions have more in common
• 1:30:48
  with Lego than they do with Marvel Legends.
• 1:30:51
  And I agree with them 100%. I think it's a fantastic take.
• 1:30:54
  Let's not. Say who it is if you know, but I
• 1:30:56
  I definitely agree with this as well.
• 1:30:59
  They do, and when I see my kid even playing with them now, when
• 1:31:03
  I've showed them what he can do, he's definitely instantly going
• 1:31:06
  to do that rather than like trying to pose them in an
• 1:31:10
  articulated way, I think. It's such a fun part of it.
• 1:31:15
  Yeah. You never get too old for that
• 1:31:17
  sort of stuff, you know? I mean, obviously lots of adults
• 1:31:19
  collect Lego. I was putting together a
• 1:31:21
  blockies transformer last night and had a great time doing it.
• 1:31:25
  Oh. They're so fun.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah. Yeah, that's fun and even you
• 1:31:29
  can do it, Rich. So exactly.
• 1:31:32
  You know, I mean it took don't go wrong.
• 1:31:33
  It took me quite a while to do it.
• 1:31:34
  I think somebody else would have had four built.
• 1:31:36
  So it was just opening the box but.
• 1:31:38
  I'm going to I'm going to blame bad back for that too, because I
• 1:31:40
  was in a lot of pain when I was trying to do that last night
• 1:31:42
  was. It Was it a little one or one of
• 1:31:44
  the bigger ones? No, just the the sort of normal
• 1:31:48
  blocky size when you sort of thing to be.
• 1:31:50
  Fair. My first couple of them took me.
• 1:31:52
  I just, you know, it didn't. I did something about them
• 1:31:56
  initially that first it was so confusing trying to follow the
• 1:32:00
  instructions, but after you get used I think.
• 1:32:03
  It's the sort of thing so, so you get the case of nine figures
• 1:32:06
  with the Transformers anyway, and you just want to, in ideal
• 1:32:09
  words, you just build them all at the same time.
• 1:32:11
  Because once you know how the arm goes together, you can do
• 1:32:13
  it. But if you don't do it for like
• 1:32:15
  a couple months and then you're back and you're like, right, how
• 1:32:16
  does the arm go together again? But I've Speaking of the blocky
• 1:32:20
  scales taken off track just for a second.
• 1:32:22
  I've also ordered a box of the really small ones, so like half
• 1:32:25
  the size of the normal blocky ones.
• 1:32:27
  Blockies again, but they've started doing super deforming
• 1:32:31
  Transformers things are ordered a box of those.
• 1:32:33
  So I will see what they're like, I think.
• 1:32:39
  Gasper actually likes amusement, I think.
• 1:32:43
  He does too, I think. He does, I think.
• 1:32:45
  It's a character he plays. Yeah, more than anything.
• 1:32:48
  I mean, he he hangs around with the Purple Gang, gang guys, and
• 1:32:52
  all they do is is carry on. Yeah.
• 1:32:57
  Face plates should have been and could have been 100% in such
• 1:33:00
  change. Well, I'm glad you know more
• 1:33:02
  about toy production than me or Mallard or Rich or the Horsemen.
• 1:33:07
  As it was sent, yeah, some of it was never intended to be, but
• 1:33:11
  then they have been. And if they?
• 1:33:15
  This is the case where they should have just glued the face
• 1:33:17
  plate on some of them. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:20
  And people wouldn't have complained.
• 1:33:23
  The. Proportions on the humans are
• 1:33:24
  always off heads are too big, we've.
• 1:33:27
  Had this one already. Yeah, just.
• 1:33:29
  Give it. Wrong.
• 1:33:31
  Pauldron ports do not make very good wing ports.
• 1:33:35
  No, they don't really, No, but. They're not designed for that,
• 1:33:39
  are they? So not really, no.
• 1:33:42
  You can use them with the the demon wings as opposed to wings.
• 1:33:49
  Right. Let's do 3.
• 1:33:50
  More as my demon with two demon wangs on his back sticking out
• 1:33:53
  of his border. Handheld crossbows.
• 1:33:56
  Isn't the crossbow we have handheld?
• 1:33:58
  I thought so. Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  That's what I was thinking. You're thinking you hold.
• 1:34:01
  It like you hold it like this unless.
• 1:34:03
  They're thinking really small, so rather.
• 1:34:07
  Than OK wine. Oh.
• 1:34:08
  With a little little. A little little in it and pistol
• 1:34:12
  sort of that would probably. Be a new crossbow I'd be down
• 1:34:15
  for so. Definitely.
• 1:34:17
  Yeah, absolutely. And if the barbarian or bear,
• 1:34:21
  let's finish on this one, which just annoy if the barbarian or
• 1:34:24
  bear warrior types can get sculpted muscle.
• 1:34:26
  No shame in having Lady warriors to have some definition.
• 1:34:30
  Don't disagree, I think the two people are bit of the aim of the
• 1:34:34
  2.0 females is that isn't it? But they're not quite as ripped
• 1:34:39
  as the men but. But.
• 1:34:42
  Don't disagree. Really pretty bad figures so.
• 1:34:47
  OK, no, let's do two more, right?
• 1:34:49
  So this one is a repetition. Still.
• 1:34:52
  A lot of QC of shoes this far into the line.
• 1:34:55
  We've addressed this one but put it in there just to show that
• 1:35:00
  there is more. And then finally for tonight,
• 1:35:03
  Magnus is overrated and OG Valgard is a terrible thing.
• 1:35:08
  Bombshells. So who's going to take this one,
• 1:35:17
  Mel? So.
• 1:35:19
  I think the Magnus head sculpt is fantastic.
• 1:35:22
  I don't necessarily disagree over the figure as a whole.
• 1:35:28
  Valgard, he was Mal on that one, yeah.
• 1:35:30
  OK. The figure itself is just.
• 1:35:32
  It's OK, it's good, it's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:36
  And Valgard, I mean, it's it probably wasn't at the time, was
• 1:35:40
  it? I'd love to have the original
• 1:35:42
  Valgard just because of the rarity of it.
• 1:35:45
  So. Can we just not talk about the
• 1:35:47
  original Valgard? Trauma.
• 1:35:50
  I mean, the new Valgard is clearly better.
• 1:35:53
  Yeah. And the best thing about the
• 1:35:56
  original Valgard, and the most attractive thing I suppose, is
• 1:35:59
  that it was a Kickstarter exclusive, so if you had one,
• 1:36:01
  you felt special. He is a little bit unique and
• 1:36:04
  he's the only kind of gold coloured dwarf.
• 1:36:07
  It's not. It's not terrible figure, it's
• 1:36:09
  just the early days. Dwarf, yeah, that's what they
• 1:36:12
  were that, you know, if you think that's terrible, I think
• 1:36:14
  bronze dwarfs terrible steel, you know, silver dwarf is
• 1:36:18
  terrible, you know, porn is terrible.
• 1:36:20
  It's just that's what they were, you know?
• 1:36:22
  Like on CAN is just a Dwarf Legion builder with a couple of
• 1:36:27
  paint apps. But.
• 1:36:29
  He's £450 on eBay. It's just.
• 1:36:32
  Rare, you know. You don't mean dwarf, You mean
• 1:36:36
  or one. Can you know?
• 1:36:37
  Yeah, Yeah. The orc, you know, but it's the
• 1:36:39
  same kind of thing I'm trying to say, you know?
• 1:36:41
  I thought you said. Dwarf Legion Build No.
• 1:36:43
  No, you can. Or.
• 1:36:45
  Yeah, I mean years or yeah, but. Yeah, sorry, I must have had a
• 1:36:48
  moment. Sorry Matt, you've just read my.
• 1:36:53
  Point here. 220220 OK right so there we go.
• 1:37:00
  A Magnus is not operated. Magnus is amazing.
• 1:37:05
  I love them. I mean, maybe to today's
• 1:37:08
  standards, you know, he wouldn't be as amazing, but for when he
• 1:37:13
  was released, he was awesome. OK, so that's your lot for this
• 1:37:18
  week. And we'll be back with more
• 1:37:21
  popular opinions in the future. Part 2 of this one, and we'll
• 1:37:26
  call. We'll just call this one what it
• 1:37:28
  is and we'll call. More.
• 1:37:31
  Unpopular opinions the next time, I suppose.
• 1:37:35
  So yeah, great to be back and look for a little episodes for
• 1:37:39
  us. And thanks for listening, Stay.
• 1:37:47
  Safe out there, everybody, You're perfectly entitled to
• 1:37:50
  your own popular opinion. As long as you're always hard,
• 1:37:56
  right? Yeah, if you're he goes.