Latest / The Federal Reserve Podcast with Fexingo: Interest Rates, FOMC Meetings, and Monetary Policy / The Fed's Hidden Inflation Trap
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- Lucas: Look at the latest consumer price index data from August. Core CPI, which strips out food and energy, ticked up to 337.8. That might sound small, but it’s a clear signal that inflation isn’t vanishing just because the Fed cut rates earlier this year. The problem is that a lot of this stickiness is coming from places you wouldn't expect. Luna: You mean the tariff-driven price hikes? Because the New York Fed explicitly noted that inflation on many everyday items was entirely due to those new trade policies. It feels like we're paying a premium for political decisions. Lucas: Exactly. And here is where it gets tricky for the central bank. Tariffs are essentially a one-time shock to the price level, not persistent wage-push inflation. But when households see their grocery bill jump because of import taxes, they don't care about the mechanics. They demand higher wages to keep up. So you end up with a feedback loop that looks exactly like the overheating economy the Fed spent three years trying to cool down. Luna: Right, and if wages go up, services inflation stays hot. That’s the part that keeps the Fed awake at night, isn't it? Because they can control bond yields, but they can't force employers to stop raising pay. Lucas: Precisely. Let’s look at the effective federal funds rate, which is sitting at 3.75 percent as of early September. The market has been pricing in cuts all year, assuming the labor market would soften enough to give them room. But today, October ninth, two thousand twenty-six, we are seeing a different picture. The ten-year Treasury yield is around 5.24 percent, and corporate borrowing costs remain elevated. Luna: So borrowers are feeling the pinch even if the short-term rate is stable. I saw headlines about Americans' debt problems flashing warnings not seen since the Great Recession. Is that correlation real? Lucas: It’s very real. When you combine sticky inflation with high credit card interest rates, household balance sheets are under severe stress. We’re seeing delinquency rates creep up, particularly in auto loans and unsecured credit. The Fed is walking a razor's edge: if they keep rates too high, they risk breaking the consumer. If they cut too fast, they let tariff-induced inflation run wild. Luna: That sounds like a lose-lose scenario for policymakers. Do you think the recent hiring of Judy Shelton as an advisor by Treasury Secretary Bessent signals a shift toward more aggressive pressure on the Fed? Lucas: It certainly adds noise to the environment. Shelton has historically favored rules-based monetary policy and has been critical of discretionary rate adjustments. Her presence suggests the administration wants to constrain the Fed's ability to react to complex shocks like tariffs. But the Fed’s mandate is domestic stability, not political alignment. They have to look at the PCE price index, not the press releases. Luna: And the PCE is still above target. Core PCE hit 130.5 in August. That’s stubbornly above the two percent goal. How do you square that with the soft jobs reports we’ve been getting lately? Lucas: That’s the paradox we’re living in. The labor market is cooling, yes. But it’s not collapsing. Unemployment is rising slowly, but not sharply. Meanwhile, prices are being pushed up by external factors—trade wars, supply chain bottlenecks, and energy volatility. This is what economists call cost-push inflation, and it’s notoriously difficult for the Fed to fight without crushing employment. Luna: So they’re stuck holding the line. But if they hold the line, does that accelerate the debt crisis for regular people? Because the IRX, the three-month bill, is up to 4.06 percent. That’s the rate consumers face on short-term credit. Lucas: It absolutely does. And notice that the S&P 500 is hovering near 7,814 points, up half a percent over the last five days. Markets are rallying, but they’re ignoring the fragility underneath. Corporate profits are strong, but they’re relying on pricing power. If consumers start defaulting on credit cards, those margins evaporate overnight. Luna: It feels like the data is sending mixed signals. Inflation fears are rising according to the Fed survey, hitting the highest level since May twenty-twenty-three. Yet stocks are doing fine. Where is the disconnect? Lucas: The disconnect is time horizon. Stocks look at earnings next quarter. Households look at rent and groceries today. The twelve-month inflation outlook in the Fed survey is spiking because people feel the pain immediately. Investors know that if things get too bad, the Fed will pivot. They’re betting on the put, not the reality. Luna: But what if the pivot comes too late? What if the tariff effects fully pass through to consumer prices before the Fed realizes they need to hike again? Lucas: That is the nightmare scenario. A re-hike would be politically toxic and economically dangerous. But looking at the current breakeven inflation rate of 2.35 percent, the bond market is actually signaling less fear than the survey respondents. Traders believe the Fed can manage this. I’m not so sure. Luna: Why not? Isn't the Fed credible? They’ve navigated worse storms than this. Lucas: They have, but those were demand-driven spikes. This is supply-driven, politically engineered inflation. You can’t print your way out of a tariff. And when you add in the fact that the ten-year yield is 5.24 percent, mortgage costs are keeping housing inflation hot. The transmission mechanism of monetary policy is lagging, and we’re seeing the rear-end of the train hit us now. Luna: So we’re entering a period where the Fed has to be incredibly precise. One misstep and we see either runaway prices or a recession. What’s your read on the next FOMC decision? Lucas: I think they stay put. The data is ambiguous enough that cutting invites criticism for being behind the curve, and hiking invites criticism for causing unnecessary harm. With the funds rate flat at 3.88 percent daily, they’ll likely wait for clearer evidence that tariff inflation is peaking. But patience is a luxury they might not have. Luna: Patience is expensive when debt service costs are climbing. It reminds me of how ICE came to town and left behind weakened economies in some regions. Localized pain doesn't show up in national averages. Lucas: That’s the aggregation bias. National unemployment hides regional bankruptcies. National CPI hides specific category spikes. For the average listener, this isn't about basis points or yield curves. It’s about whether their bonus gets eaten by inflation or if their credit card minimum payment becomes unmanageable. Luna: It really puts the focus back on personal finance resilience. If rates stay high for longer, how should listeners adjust their savings strategies right now? Lucas: Lock in fixed rates where you can. Refinance high-interest debt if possible. And avoid taking on new variable-rate liabilities unless you have a clear exit strategy. The era of cheap money is over, and we need to behave like it. Luna: Solid advice. Before we wrap up, I want to mention something important about how we produce this show. We deliberately choose not to run ads because we value your uninterrupted attention and want to keep our editorial independence absolute. If walking through the economy with us has made something click, and you want to support that choice, the link is buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: Yeah, and every bit of support helps us keep digging into these complex economic shifts without needing a sponsor to dictate the narrative. It’s the only way we can stay honest with you. Luna: Thanks for listening. Now, back to the data. With inflation expectations rising, do you think individual investors are underestimating the risk to their portfolios? Lucas: They definitely are. Most people are still allocating assets based on the low-inflation models of the past decade. But with core CPI sticking and tariffs adding volatility, we need to prepare for a world where real returns are harder to come by. The game has changed. Luna: It has. And recognizing that shift is the first step to protecting your wealth. Thanks for joining us on The Federal Reserve Podcast. Lucas: For Lucas and Luna, I’m signing off. Keep your eyes on the PCE, and we’ll see you next week.