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213. Harnessing Sound for Emotional and Physical Wellness · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host, rochelle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a holistic, human design health coach and this is a space for human design and spiritual journey.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about being a master of your emotions, rather mastering the tools to self-regulate, to awakening yourself and remembering who you are.
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  Speaker 1: Human design changed my life about five years ago and I've been learning and teaching the system ever since.
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  Speaker 1: This podcast is human design meets spirituality, meets astrology.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to have a belief system to be here, just an open mind and curiosity.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: This is a journey of meeting yourself and awakening to your infinite potential.
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  Speaker 1: Now let the magic begin.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Emotional Mastery Podcast.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: This week I'm talking to Kathy Harmon Luber, who is a certified sound therapy and sound healing practitioner, reiki master, wellness guide, whose passion is helping people navigate the challenging terrain of the healing journey and to thrive.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Her bestselling book Suffering to Thriving your toolkit for navigating your healing journey how to live a more healthy, peaceful, joyful life is full of wisdom gleaned from a decades healing debilitating health crisis.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: She has appeared in Yoga Magazine, best Holistic Life Magazine, authority Magazine, mindbodygreencom and more Kathy.
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  Speaker 1: This conversation was so incredible.
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes we have to go through things in life that are incredibly challenging, incredibly painful, and yet these are the things that bring us to our healing journey.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: These are the things that bring us healing, that open our eyes, create awareness, and I had goosebumps multiple times during this podcast episode.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: It's really about the power of your mind, the power of your spirit, the power of that.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, like, I'm going to get through this, I'm going to heal through this.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make it through this, that shift in mindset.
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  Speaker 1: Kathy talks about how she was basically bedridden for five years and that really began her journey of healing, and how there comes a point sometimes when we have to choose to look at the things that we do have versus the things that we don't have.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's that coming.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to be a victim or are we going to be empowered?
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  Speaker 1: And it's never just like a cut and dry right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like black and white.
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  Speaker 1: There's all these gray areas and, I think, the healing journey, we think that we need to be a certain way and when we fall back into old patterns or when we're triggered by something, we think that we're failing and we're not healing and that's just not the way that it is.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, there's a part where she talks about I actually can't remember specifically what she talks about but if we were shown our path, if we were shown what we were going to have to go through in life to overcome, we probably wouldn't do it right.
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: And I think this is why our soul, our human body and our human mind does not remember our past lives, our soul's purpose for incarnating all these things, because we probably wouldn't want to do it right.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: And, like Kathy said, if somebody had told her she would have to be in bed for five years in order to go through this, we likely wouldn't choose that, right, it's hard, it's scary, it's challenging and in those moments we don't feel like we're being courageous or life-changing.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: It's these little incremental things, and I always relate back to astrology, but it's sort of like when the astrology speaks to something, when there's a massive transit, it's a piece of a bigger story.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's not necessarily this one astrological event that's going to change the shape of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's pieces of transits that have happened over time.
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  Speaker 1: This collective story that, in its totality, right, is going to change things.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: It's like holistic healing it's not one piece of it, it's not just the diet.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: It's not just spirituality, it's not just working out right.
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  Speaker 1: These are pieces of the bigger whole.
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  Speaker 1: And when we incorporate all these aspects into our life right, then we begin to begin on this healing journey.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, it's not only like physical disabilities that will move our healing forward.
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  Speaker 1: But we oftentimes have to hit rock bottom before we can change, before we realize something needs to change, and it's in those moments that we have to choose.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: And I know I talk about something personal for me in the episode, but there's, you know, one of the most courageous things I've ever done in the moment felt anything but courageous, and I've talked about that before on here.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: And so it's just this remembrance of.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: You know, we might not feel it in the moment, but it is happening and it is there and we are doing the work.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: And just because we are feeling like we're relapsing or going back to old patterns or being triggered by old things, which this has been coming up a lot over the last couple weeks, you know, things that I thought I had healed from or that were just sort of in the past are coming up and I'm having to move through these with awareness, with self-responsibility, with doing the hard things that are easier just to avoid or ignore, and also staying in integrity with myself and everything that I've built, all the values that I have in myself, in moving forward with those and not going back to old patterns of all those people policing and avoidance.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: Things like that is hard.
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  Speaker 1: It is really, really challenging.
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  Speaker 1: It would be easier to play the victim right.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it'd be easier to just blame or whatever, and it's harder to take accountability, it's harder to take responsibility, but those are the things that we're being called to do and I was reflecting through journaling of just where I want to go, what I need to do, and I realized that I haven't been challenging myself in the way that I used to, or things just haven't.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: Not that things haven't been coming up in my field in my existence to challenge myself, but there's been nothing lately that has made me feel so deeply uncomfortable.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: And I find that when I feel really deeply uncomfortable and I do the thing anyway, those are the moments where I feel so many shifts and changes and I'm like, wow, and those things are starting to come up now.
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: Right, it's, it's in different ways, but they're starting to come back up and it was, I think, maybe the act of writing that down and challenging myself to be more challenged.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: The universe is like okay, here you go, right, and so, moving through those things, we go through stages in life.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: Life is cyclical.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: Lauren Aletta wrote a book I can't remember the exact name, but it's about the seasons.
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  Speaker 1: I'll link it in the show notes.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: And I love that book because it talks about spring, summer, winter, fall, right, and it's not the physical seasons of the year which do play a part in it, but it's also the seasons of our lives, right.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: We go through winters, we go through summers and it's always going to change.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: We're always going to be going through these things and just knowing that.
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  Speaker 1: And we have phases of initiation through life, whether it's adolescence or menopause or, you know all these things, motherhood, right.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: These are all initiations into different parts of life and I think that we are not as supported in those stages and in those initiations as we had been, you know, centuries ago, where we had a different culture, different support system, different way of life, and so I think we're struggling a little bit more through those because we don't, we aren't doing it.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: We're doing it very differently and I think it we're finding a new way to do things and it's challenging and it's difficult.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also reading the book Adult Children of Immature Parents and it's really interesting.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: They talk about this feeling of isolation and aloneness.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: It's really about emotional neglect and how that manifested in our adult relationships and how we may feel that we have to people please, or how we may feel shame or guilt and it's just really really speaking to a lot of experiences, a lot of things that I'm moving through right now.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: I literally just started the book but I'm in like the first chapter and it's already giving me goosebumps just listening to it.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: But this episode is really really good.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we talk about Kathy's healing journey physical healing journey and her process of, you know, sound healing and creativity and art and this is something that's been coming up a lot lately too is this idea of art for healing and I think obviously we've been doing it for ever, right?
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: This has always been what art is about.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm also reading.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: I read a lot of books at the same time, because I'm also reading a fiction book, but I'm reading the little things.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: But I'm also rereading the Creative Act by Rick Rubin and it's so good.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: It was so good the first time and it's so good the second time.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: But he talks a lot about artists and the pain that we go through, how we feel alone within our pain and how it's not.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: People don't always understand what it feels like to feel so deeply about everything right, and that existence, that feeling like nobody else feels the way that you do, is really where art is created from.
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  Speaker 1: It's created from our pain, it's created from our suffering, it's created from love, it's created from beauty.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: It's created from all these intense things, intense emotions that we don't always understand, because not everybody feels in the same way, and I think accepting that part of yourself is really beautiful and helps you heal.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: And again, art in itself is really healing.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Manuela Welton on the podcast that's coming out in a few weeks and she was talking about healing anger through art, and not that I didn't think to do that, but I feel like in my mind, healing anger is more like hitting a pillow or going to a rage room or journaling or something Right and all those you know, journaling can be a form, writing can be a form of art, but more so like are like splattering paint on something and we're drawing something.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: You know these are also expressions and can be really healing as well.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: So I will leave it at that.
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  Speaker 1: The podcast is really beautiful.
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: You can connect with Kathy on Instagram on her website she also gives a free healing the heart chakra meditation program and connect with her on Instagram.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Rochelle Christian.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: That's R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E, dot, c-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-e.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: You can also find me on my website sub stack.
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  Speaker 1: All the ways that you can work with me are down in the show notes, um, but I'm most active on instagram, so you can head over there and give me a follow and if you find this episode that if it resonates with you, share it with a friend.
• 9:59
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• 10:02
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• 10:12
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much for listening and enjoy the show.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: Today I have Kathy Harmon-Luber, who is a certified sound therapy and sound healing practitioner, reiki master and wellness guide, and I'm really excited to have this conversation.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: She's also an author.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: We'll get into the book and I'm really excited to have this conversation.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, because sound healing, vibration, frequency, all that I just I love getting into that conversation.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: So we will definitely dive all into that, and sound healing is such a beautiful tool, I think, for healing, um, but I will hand the floor over for you, for you to just sort of tell your story.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Just, you know any pivotal points along the way in your journey and you know specifically what got you into sound healing, and then we'll go from there.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, wonderful, I love this conversation and thanks so much, rasha.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: I love being here with you today.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my story it starts, you know, at the beginning of my life.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: Really, I've been on a pretty intense healing journey my whole life.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: When I was 20, I was diagnosed with very severe spinal issues.
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: I was very, very athletic, you know, a runner, I walked, I hiked, I swam, I biked, all the stuff gymnastics, dance, everything and I started having really serious spinal problems, to the point that I would miss a month or two months or three months of work and be flat on my back.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: So for somebody who was like 20, 21 years old, that was, you know, unexpected.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of spinal issues.
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  Speaker 2: They're all hereditary, they run in my family, but I wasn't expecting that.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: I was, like I said, so active and I took such good care of myself diet, exercise, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I, you know, got to this point where I had to go see a doctor and they told me I had the spine.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: At 21 years old.
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: I had the spine of an 80 year old woman, wow.
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  Speaker 2: And so I got second opinions.
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  Speaker 2: I saw one orthopedic surgeon who said you know, you're probably going to be in a wheelchair by your mid 30s.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, I was horrified and I was like I don't think so, I don't want to own this.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: And that set me on my path.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: That, right there, that moment of decision of saying no, I don't think so, there has to be another way through this I'm, I'm not going to be like that for the rest of my life.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: And and so, um, I began, just you know, the whole spiritual journey, working through through childhood traumas um, not big T traumas, little T traumas working on nutrition, dialing in my diet.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: I at the same time, a few years later, I was diagnosed with autoimmune.
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  Speaker 2: Everything was fine for a long time, fast forward a couple decades, when things really really began to get bad.
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  Speaker 2: And so, when I was in my 40s, I was working out at the gym with a personal trainer.
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  Speaker 2: I'd come all that way and was doing really, really well.
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  Speaker 2: I was walking hours and hours on weekends down to the beach and back and just feeling really well.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: I, you know, I was walking hours and hours on weekends down to the beach and back and, you know, just feeling really good and a disc ruptured.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: It wasn't the end of the world, but it was the first of five spinal discs to rupture Increasingly.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: You know, sort of shining a spotlight on all of the many spinal diseases that were kind of converging to make it an inoperable issue with me.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: I kept on managing.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: You know, I realized that that back then your mind is your medicine, like we can heal ourselves, and so I started reading everything I could get my hands on Deepak Chopra, wayne Dyer, just Louise Hay, you, you name it, I, you know I, I read books on Buddhism, everything I could get my hands on, about how I could take this journey and make it meaningful.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: I recognized it had meaning at that point that this was unusual, like other people my age were not dealing with these problems, or at least most people I knew were not dealing with these kinds of issues.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Why me?
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: And asking that question in a good way.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: You know I write about this in my book.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: There are the right questions and the wrong questions.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: The wrong why me is why me?
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: What's going to become of me?
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: What if it's always like this?
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: What if it's terrible?
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: What if I never get better?
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Those are the wrong questions, right, but there are other questions behind that that are about why is this happening to me?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Is this a portal for a different life than what I'm living right now.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Is this an opportunity for me to get to know myself better in some way?
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: That on that other life path I was on wasn't happening or I wouldn't have gotten to right?
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: There is infinite wisdom in our healing journey and, as I like to say, the healing journey is embedded in our life's journey.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody, if you're long enough, if you live long enough and you're going to have some kind of something, you're going to have an illness, you're going to have an injury or something in your life, and by that I don't even mean that, I mean disruption.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It is the great disruption in our lives.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it could be a divorce, it could be a nervous breakdown, it could be many, many things.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: It comes packaged as right, but the healing journey is embedded in our life's journey, which is embedded in our soul's journey, is embedded in our life's journey, which is embedded in our soul's journey.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Our souls are infinitely wise.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I happen to believe we came here for a purpose, and sometimes it takes that disruption of a healing nature to shine a spotlight on what is really important in our lives.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe we got off course someplace right, and so that's how I started thinking about it and then fast forward to 2016,.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I thought I was all dialed in, everything was going just great.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I would have told you then I was living the life of my dreams, you know, everything fantastic, and I was getting subtle intuitive hits and not so subtle all year long.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Um, that was just doing too much.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Doing too much, you know, working too many hours.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I was on three boards of directors I mean that's insane, right?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Um, you know, I was doing a lot of traveling that year international travel, but also big road trips, and took on another client and all of these things.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And I kept kept getting these intuitive hits saying, you know, my spine was really hurting, it's like I should slow down.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I should really slow down.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: And I had all these things that I wanted to do and they were fun things.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: There were things I really was passionate about, every one of them.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: There wasn't an easy take one thing off the list.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And then at the end of the year, in December of 2016, I went on a client visit and it was out of town.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: It was three hours each way by car.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: My back was screaming and the next morning I was talking to my husband in the kitchen telling him about the trip, and my spine completely gave out and it was the most horrible of all of the spinal disc ruptures, and it left me bedridden for five years.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Wow, five years, yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the arc of the story, and I was, you know, for the first two years.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: It was completely miserable, it was extraordinarily painful and it was everything I could do just to hold on, to hope at that point that it wasn't going to always be like that, because the other disc ruptures that happened, although they were inoperable, I got over them in two, three, four months and then I was back to life different, not the same life, not what we would call normal, but getting stronger and stronger over time.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Right, and this time, after I was in a couple of years, that it still wasn't happening, and it's like, oh no.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Then all those bad questions start coming to your head.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: What if it is always going to be like this and I'm going to be a burden to my husband and my friends and everyone?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Right, it's like, what do you do?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And so I started.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Well, first I want to say to anybody who goes through anything this terrible, it is not a weakness to ask for help and get help.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: You know, I saw a therapist.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I urgently needed help at that point.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You know, it becomes a big downward spiral if you don't get help sometimes.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And so that was my first step.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And the second was I went back to all of those things I'd been collecting my whole life quotes, inspiring books, inspiring stories and I just started.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't get up out of bed and sit at my desk and write at my computer.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: So my husband brought me my laptop and I started a journal that way and I just began to collect things that inspired me and I started thinking about things differently.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I took inventory, you know, I made a list of everything I couldn't do, and then I said, okay, what can I do?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Like, what can I do?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And in very simplistic ways, because at that point in, you know, a year or two in, I could not walk to the bedroom door.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: That's how bad it was.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And so it was like, obviously I wasn't out going for walks and things like that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, I can take classes online, I can draw and paint from bed, I can keep a journal.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: The journal became the book that I wrote.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Journal became the book that I wrote.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You know, I up until that point, I was playing classical flute every weekend professionally, and I couldn't play my classical flute anymore, twisted my back too much.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And so my husband said, what about those Native American flutes?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Because there's, they, don't twist your back.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, bring me one.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I learned to play on my back, flat on my back, and so you know, it wasn't ideal, no, it's not normal, but it's.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It's all about how do I get through and what I decided at that point.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget this moment.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It was like it became very clear to me, like a, a download, like a flash.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Suffering is a choice.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about suffering like people in war-torn countries right now, of course, or people who are going through horrible famines or so many things that happen in the world, but in our minds we do have a choice about some things.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Are we going to suffer through this?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Are we going to try to thrive?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: And at that moment I said, okay, I'm going to try to thrive.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Right, and that became my journey and I just really leaned into it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: It was like I every single day.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: It was not like, okay, I decided I'm going to thrive and I'm not suffering anymore.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's every minute of the day, in every moment, and this goes for our lives too, rochelle.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: We so often don't realize this, when we're just living our lives and everything's pretty normal.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: We don't realize that in every moment we have a choice we can.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: In one moment, you can completely transform your life.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It might be hard.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it might take a lot of work, it might take you a year, it might take you longer, but you can do it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You can make that choice.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But we don't think about that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: We say, oh, I don't really have a choice.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Well, even in this terrible situation I was in, I learned that I had a choice.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Right, like I said, every moment of every day, I'm going to make a different choice.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to choose something better, because I realized that if I did not do that, if I did not do that, if I ended up being like that for the rest of my life, one day I would be a very old, bitter woman with a lot of rage, you know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I don't want to be that person, I don't.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And so that's when the journey really began in earnest, right?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, thank you for sharing that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I had goosebumps as you were talking about that story because I really I read a book recently and I can't remember what it's called right now, but they were saying in it that a lot of times when we do have physical ailments or disabilities, it really is a it's like pushing our soul to evolve Right that you either play the victim or you have such a strong mindset to get through it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Like two points of your story where it was like you just declared, like this is not going to be my life, and you chose to look at the list of what I can do instead of focus on the list Because I I mean I can't imagine five years, right, I mean that really would wear on you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it went by one day at a time, and if you told me the day it happened it was going to be five years, I would have said I'm checking out, I don't want this, absolutely not.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I can't do that, I can't get through that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But when you break it down moment by moment, day by day, you actually can do it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It is not easy.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want to sugarcoat it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: It was hard.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: There were times that were unbearable, many dark nights of the soul, right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But what I did learn was that it is possible and what you said exactly and that is embedded through my entire book it's like your healing journey is a disruption to life as you know it right now.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: It is disrupting your life.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: So is a job loss, so is a divorce, sometimes a death of a loved one, or an end of a friendship or another relationship.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: They're pivotal moments in our lives where we can say nope, I'm just going to keep going exactly the way I'm going right now and I'm not going to change a thing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And you're going to get that lesson again and again and again.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: We all know that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: We all have been through that right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And many times, yeah, many times, me too.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But you can also say, um, maybe I just need to slow down.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I just need to slow down, stop living life the way I was living it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And really in the book I call it the inward journey.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is the whole point sometimes of a healing journey it is to go inward and listen to our souls.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Now, that year that I described to you, when I was doing everything, that was the life of my dreams.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I was going so fast.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Our lives are so fast, they're so loud, the world is noisy, we just go on autopilot and that becomes our life.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: When this happened, I stopped everything, every single thing, and in that silence, one of two things happen.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: You say, oh, my God, I can't stand the silence.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Or you say I'm listening.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm listening right now and that's the road I chose to take.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's like maybe if I listen, I'll learn something from myself, from my soul.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and so it is.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It is not what everyone does.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I know that, you know I.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I work, I do work with clients and some people say they want to start that and they realize it's a big commitment of life.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: The healing journey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Or you can just, you can just become bitter and angry and you can live your life that way.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: That might be easier.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I tried that for a while.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I tried that for a month or so.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this is not good, I don't, I don't, I don't want this in my life, um, but, but.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: But then what I call it is the inner healer.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: It's like we have an inner voice.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Like I said, everyone has the power to heal.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And for those who don't believe that, I just finished reading a wonderful book by oh gosh, I hope I get the name right Dr Jeffrey Rediger, I think it is.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It's called Cured the Science Behind Spontaneous Healing, and over decades he has.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I highly recommend it, and I don't go around recommending a lot of books, I mean, everybody has their own taste but I'm telling you that book made such an impact on me.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: He looked at people over decades, people who were told they had two months to live two months to live and decades they're alive why he researched that from the scientist point of view, from the doctor's point of view.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: He's a doctor and what he found was yeah, it's a choice, all right.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, the people who came out the other side cured from not cancer in remission, not other diseases, in remission cured.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: They made a choice to listen deeply to, to listen to what would make them happy, to listen to what we call our authentic voice.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Right, because and I'm listening right now to Dr Gabor Mate I've read a couple of his books and now he has this wonderful new documentary called the Wisdom of Trauma and he talks about this.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: He talks about suffering and I actually wrote this quote down to share with you because I knew I was hoping we'd get to this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But the suffering you're experiencing is wanting connection to your authentic self and so often in trauma we lose that connection because in childhood, in infanthood, it is not safe to be your authentic self.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: You know, parents might not have a good reaction, they might not give you the attention it's our perception of what that means, right to us.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: But the suffering you're experiencing is about wanting connection to your authentic self.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So if we then take a look at our healing journey right, any kind of healing journey it doesn't have to be trauma.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It could be just as easy as what I have, or I have autoimmune also, the autoimmune journey, if that is our body telling us, pay attention, listen deeply.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Who are you authentically?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Who can you not be in your family, in your job, in society?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Right, like, we all wear these masks.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: We wear a mask and we're slightly different at work than we are when we're with our friends.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Right, there's an authentic self and maybe a little less authentic self.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I'd say it's not inauthentic, maybe, but less authentic.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, when you are on the healing journey, we have to take a look at that and I call that the inner healer.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It's like if we get quiet, if we listen to our intuition, intuition speaks like so many times and Gabor Mate talks about this in his book when the Body Says no which was foundational for me when I was going through all of this the body shuts down, says no, to varying degrees.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Mine was very extreme because I was not listening.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I was not listening, but we tend to look at the body as an enemy.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Like I've heard people say to me oh, my body is betraying me.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Your body's not betraying you.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Your body is saying to you, it's sending you red flags, it's sending you warning signs.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: When we have allergies, we break out in hives or rashes, we have a series of little silly accidents around the house.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Whatever it happens to be your body, or you get sick, or you get really sick, right, or you get depressed mentally, right, or have anxiety, right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So all of those things are our body saying to us pay attention to me.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to point out something within you that is not in alignment with your authentic self.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: That's where we go wrong, like we tend to believe that our bodies are misbehaving, they're the enemy or, like I said, they're betraying us.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: If we can turn that around and look at that with self-love and say, okay.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So here's a story.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Recently my knee gave out Lots of sports accidents, so I was kind of down for the count for a while and my normal go would be, you know, to swear at my knee.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Why could?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Why did you do this at this time?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I need you right now, okay.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Well, instead of that, I changed my way.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I said my sweet, hard working knee what are you trying to tell me?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: And it's a torn meniscus, it's a torn ACL, but they're healing.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: They're both healing after a few months and it's like, of course, I'm in PT, I'm doing, you know, rest and ice and the whole thing that we do for sports injuries, right, okay?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: So all of that does make a difference, but I also do believe that part of the difference is how we talk to our bodies.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: If our bodies think we're the enemy or they're the enemy right Like, that's not a very self-loving, kind thing to say to yourself, and we do sometimes in life get into that way of speaking to our bodies, to our minds, for that matter.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: That's a chapter on your mind.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Is your medicine right?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about your body betraying you and I've said that a lot in the past because I have dealt with a lot of anxiety.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: For me it's like incredible anxiety where I want to do something and I literally like physically, feel like I can't and I think, with so much it gets to a point you know, I'm going back to that mindset piece because I always find the mind so incredibly fascinating mindset.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But I've been, I would say, my healing journey you know, spiritual, like all of it for about seven years and it really has taken until the last, like I would say, year, year and a half where.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So I would say it took probably five and a half years for me to actually train my mind to think differently, to look at it as, oh, this is telling me something like what's going on, or just shifting it, as if I'm triggered instead of being like I'm the victim or I'm going to run away from this, like, okay, what is not healed within me right now that I need to pause and look at.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But it takes a long time when we're conditioned to just pop the pill or do all of these things and be so disconnected or you know what we're eating and things like that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: So I think that really is, yeah, a powerful part of the process of like just taking that pause and being like there is something beneath this that wants to.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: You know, tell me something I haven't dealt with.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You know, pain in the way that you have, and a lot of people have.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with the heart issue.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Uh, 2019, been dealing with it since I was 18 years old, but I never told anybody about it, mostly because I was afraid right, it's, it's not a physical pain, but when your heart stops for a second, you're like, is it going to start?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Like you get like a little flush, or you know, there's just, there's our symptoms of that Um and so, mostly out of fear, I just didn't tell anybody.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I just suffered in silence.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: But it got to the point where I felt like I was dying.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I was like I have to go to the doctor and I went and I was diagnosed, but I also knew that I could heal myself.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I was like I feel like this is more than I feel, like this is emotional.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is maybe.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I just felt like it was was more than just like here, take these pills for the rest of your life.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And so I didn't start the pills.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: He was just like you know, if it gets worse, come back and we'll deal with it then.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: But I've just done a lot of unpacking of like what this could be, or just like noticing or journaling when I eat certain things it acts up, or when I'm in certain situations, anxiety always makes it, you know, like stress induces it and things like that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So it's just like a journey of like, figuring out the threads of like what is beneath the layers of it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And I think you know, had I maybe gone to the doctor 10 years ago, it would have been a different story.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I think my mind would have just been like oh, that's it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: You know this is my diagnosis for the rest of my life and you know this is how I'm going to have to deal with it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And you know not to say that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe one day I don't have to get on pills or something.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But like I just think, just that shift I've been like, okay, I can do something about this.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You know it's really powerful.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Does it feel empowering?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of times we get those messages, you know, I mean especially something like the heart right.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Because I mean our hearts are yeah, that's it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And so you know you, you might feel like you have to take the medication, and we want to.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And I'll say right up front, like Western medicine has saved my life a lot of times since I was a child, right, all these years.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So so I that's always a go-to for me.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: But then I always look at the other part of, because so much of and there are now it isn't just Dr Gabor Mati, there are lots of doctors writing about this you know the the of it was the mind-body connection, right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: So it is connected.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It is connected and one does affect the other and just take, like in my case, autoimmune.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: My rheumatologist said, oh no, this is going to get worse and worse and worse and worse every single year and you're just going to have to take more and more and more meds.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't want to do that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: And so I started really experimenting, as you did foods, supplements and, number one, stress.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Stress is huge and we have so much of it in our day and age right now, right, we have so much stress.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Everywhere we look, everywhere we look in our lives, we have stress.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: How do you turn that down?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: How do you turn that down?
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: That has become my mission over the years.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: How do I turn down the stress?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: And you asked earlier about how I got into sound healing.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I got into it because of what you said anxiety.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I had a job in LA.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I was executive director of a foundation.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, high stress, very high stress job.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I had high anxiety, I really did.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And that's when a lot of the autoimmune stuff started happening and the spinal stuff started getting worse.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I had to examine that, you know, especially when things begin to happen in our lives right, you have to pay attention, like what was going on in your life, right at that point.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Well, in every single one of my certain circumstances it was stress off the charts, stress, right.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Right, I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: That's when I began going to, you know, I started going to drum circles.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Somebody said come to a sound bath.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I started going to sound baths.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: It helped me to get a handle on stress and I am a musician.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So I started just kind of this deep inquiry into what can I do at home besides, you know, play my flute and guitar and stuff, drum.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: What can I do?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And then I started getting into, you know, native American flutes, crystal and Tibetan bowls, lots of different instruments, and I started learning more and more about it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was down for the count for five years flat on my back that's when I got certified I was like I know all of this stuff to some degree, right, and I'm playing a lot of these things.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Why don't I use this opportunity?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And again, that's where the healing journey can be a portal to something new, changed my life.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I got certified as a Reiki master at the same time, right?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: So I began to really just really dive very, very deep into all of these things.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I was a science major in college.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I wanted to know the science behind.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You know energy healing and sound healing as well, and so I really investigated.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I wanted to know it was really, there was really something to it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: And now, all these years later, it's really interesting.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage it is, but increasingly more and more and more hospitals know what percentage it is, but increasingly more and more and more hospitals, their departments of integrative therapies, include Reiki and sound healing.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: My mother was in a hospital last year in the cancer ward and they offered her sound healing.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And I was, how happy was I, you know, because I was doing a little bit of sound healing work with her.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: But but they, they offered that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Nursing homes are offering it all over the United States and Europe and there is strong science behind it and so I mean we're energy beings, right.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: You know this we are energy beings and there's some wonderful research coming out of UCLA, that a guy by the name of James Jim Zewski who has discovered that every type of cell in the body the brain cells, the heart cells, they have their own unique vibration that the scientific sound instruments can pick up.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And what's even more fascinating than that is that and so for.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Let me back up.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: So from a sound healing standpoint, you know when we're giving a sound bath, if you know somebody has a certain issue, then we can apply those frequencies right.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: The reason why that works is because when cells of that organ are atrophied or ill, there's something wrong with them.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: When we apply that frequency in the Petri dish, they watch them come back to life, they get reinvigorated right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: So now there's some fascinating research, like I think it's out of Rutgers that is all about the, um, the, the, the frequency that stimulates the brain, and how they can use it on patients who who have, like, um, any kind of a, any kind of a brain injury or or any of the, the brain diseases.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: So it, the, the, the future of sound healing is really, really bright for integration with Western medicine and a lot of doctors are very, very open to doing that, so it's very exciting, but that's kind of how I got into it and I think that, in terms of things like anxiety and stress, sound healing is really great.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: You can go to like a yoga studio or a sound healing studio and do a sound bath with a group of people and it can be really transformative.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: As I'm sure you've probably seen, there's also great benefit when we do it one-on-one with a practitioner that knows exactly what your issue is.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And at the end I'm going to remember to tell our listeners I have a free offering about healing the heart chakra.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: That involves a free sound bath geared just toward the heart.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: So don't let me forget to imagine how to get there.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love this.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I am such a like I never studied like science or anything like that, like in school that was actually one of my worst subjects.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But I'm so fascinated by the research and the science and like the space where science and spirituality meet and I feel like, especially now in our times, they're just colliding in such an incredible way.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: But I have used, so I did, um, one sound bath.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Uh, I did it in Mexico two, three years ago, 2021.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, three years ago, it was incredible, like even just he would put like the bowls like on my body and it would like vibrate differently on different.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: It was just like wild, it was so and I just felt so like I don't know, it was just.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: It shifted like a lot during that session and I can see how that would just be in in in that, particularly being able to place like a bowl on me.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Then it was the sound, but it was the physical vibration of the bowl and like me, you know, like my all the energies like kind of like going through me was just like really beautiful.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: So I know it can be like so healing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: And I've I, you know I've read books.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Biology of belief, like you are the placebo and you had.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: You had said earlier about what was that cured, that book that you were talking about?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, it sounded.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Dr Joe Dispenza talks about that, about him.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you like, I feel like you can look up anything like spontaneous remission right, there's always someone who's overcome like anything, right, but but, yeah, so I'm always fascinated with frequency and vibration and like how it actually works.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I use like a frequency device, right.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So then it's, it's putting like microcurrents of frequency.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: But there is something I think just sound in music.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's so ingrained in our culture and ancestors.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just something that's been used for so long to heal and for, you know, drum circle, like all these things have just been used and we don't really use them now.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like been forgotten, yeah, but yet we put on music and our whole bodies react.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: So it's still there, right, we just don't use it in a way that supports us at the moment.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we're waking up to it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I think we're waking up to it?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I would like to believe we're waking up to it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: It going back 40, 60, 80 thousand years.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: You know they find artifacts of, of drums and and I saw a beautiful article recently of all little bone flutes, right that that our ancestors used.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: They sang, they danced, that was the medicine.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And now, you know, shamans always ask, if somebody comes with an illness, the question is, when did you stop singing and dancing?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: That's healing, okay.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: So I've got some great ideas if you're interested.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: There's so many things that people can do at home.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Like I love to say to people go to a sound bath, find a sound dealer.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all great, but there's so many things you can do at home, okay.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: So here's one of the biggest ones Dr Jonathan Goldman pioneered this decades ago and that is humming, what he calls the humble hum, to stimulate the vagus nerve.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: The vagus nerve wanders through our body.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: It controls things like digestion and our heartbeat and blood pressure and all the stuff that we never think about.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Right, humming the vagus nerve, you know is, is connected to our ears.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: So when we hum, and even when we hear music, but but especially when we hum, we stimulate the vagus nerve, it's like and it reaches all the organs, and someone I wish I could remember who said this, but someone said it's like massaging all of your internal organs, right, so it's super healthy and it only takes a few minutes a day to do these things Like.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I live on a mountain, in forest, so I go outside and I putter in the garden and I hum to the trees or I sing to the trees.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Singing is also really really good.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Percussively tapping on our bodies you know EFT tapping, you know tapping on the body is really good.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But you don't even have to do it in quite that way.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: You could just tap percussively on the body.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: It's our mother's heartbeat.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: That's what the drumbeat is right.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's so close to our mother's heartbeat and there is something deeply settling about, you know, settling stress and anxiety through that kind of a thing.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: One of my teachers, john Stewart Reed, talks about how 20 minutes of music you love is deeply healing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: 20 minutes They've done the studies on this 20 minutes of music you love.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: We all think, oh, it has to be classical music, right?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: No, not necessarily.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: If you love jazz or hip hop or whatever you love, if you love it, if it stimulates that sort of emotional reaction from you, it's healing.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: How great is that right.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: So we're not talking if we're upset and listening to sad music.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: This is something that, like, uplifts us or just Well.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that it has to be uplifting If you find the sad music makes you happy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Like I, I like a lot of different genres of music, and one that's particularly sad is like in classical music, adagios.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: They're very slow and they tend to be melancholy and sad and I just love them.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: He would define that as being deeply healing, even though they're sad.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: They don't make me sad, they make me.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I like hearing them.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So, there's a little bit of a distinction there.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: But other things, you know, like our wind chimes in the garden, that's sound healing, the sound of nature number one, right?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I mean people.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: There is this myth of separation between human beings and nature.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: We are one with nature, right, and so being out in nature, listening to the sounds of nature is super healing.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And we don't do that enough.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I lived in cities for quite a lot, a lot of my life and many decades.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: There are ways of getting in nature.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at the sky.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Sky is nature, right.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Just being outside and looking at the sky or the stars.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: That's nature.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: So I mean I hear a lot from my clients.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you live in a forest and I don't, and I live in the city.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Well, you know there are other ways of finding nature in a city.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Go to a park, yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I always say, I mean, I have plants all over my house and that's what I think.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: It's still some sort of nature inside, right?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: And I'd be curious, does like nature music work.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: It does Like nature sounds.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I read a study about this and that works as well.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you mentioned something about plants.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: This is really interesting.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Dr Emoto wrotea couple of books about the power of our words, and this gets back to how we talk about ourselves.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Just to digress for a moment.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: But it does have to do with nature kind of a little bit, in that, if you know, when he spoke words of hate to a glass of water or to snowflakes, they became deformed.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: When words of love are spoken, they're these beautiful crystalline shapes, right Plants?
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Beautiful crystalline shapes, right Plants.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Kids do this experiment all the time in the schools where the plant on that side of the classroom they speak to only words of love, the other side of the classroom, only words of hate.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: They get equal amounts of sunshine, so it has nothing to do with sunshine and water, and the plants that are spoken to in a mean way don't thrive, whereas the plants spoken to.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: So this gets back to that how we talk to ourselves, right?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just wanted to loop back to that for a second because I think it's an important thing.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: We can't hear that too much, you know, because we tend to be really hard on ourselves sometimes right, I have a plant in the corner of my room and it's sort of in my meditation spot.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I don't meditate there as often as I used to, but it's been there for probably five years and it it should be dead.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I've never changed the soil.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: It just like.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: The soil doesn't like I know I need to get in there, but it continues to grow.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And I said, like, as I'm watering them, I'll like touch the leaves.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Or my son, who's seven, but he's always watching me, it's always watching, and so sometimes I'll touch a plant or whatever.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: So sometimes I'll like go up behind me and just like touch it and be like love you, you know, but it's just like.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So I feel like those things really do have power.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Like you said, the words and the energy that you're bringing is like they really do take that in.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, they do have an intelligence.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It might not be humans, but they do have an intelligence and I truly believe that it's really powerful.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do too.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I really do too, absolutely.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: And now scientists are finding that to be true.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw something it said that trees, because their roots are all connected, so it said that they actually will grieve for if a tree is chopped down or a tree dies, and then they keep the stump of the dead tree alive, so just the stump, they'll continue to feed it.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I was like that is so beautiful.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, nature is incredible nature is, and that is the other thing.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I do have a chapter in my book about this, not just about nature, but just wonder and awe is so healthy for us right To just develop a sense of wonder about the world.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're on this planet that's spinning around, flying around through space, right, and in this universe that is infinite it's vast.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I mean just look at the way everything is held together and then how, when we look at things in the micro, they're kind of a microcosm of the macro.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a brilliant design and whether you're admiring, like a sunset or a sunrise, or just the seasons, you know, and just the wisdom of all of the seasons and how the earth unfolds in this way and regenerates again and again.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: We can take so many lessons from that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: It's good to have a sense of awe yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: It's really.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I mean they're, they're.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: You know, Joe Dispenza writes about this.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Lots of people write about this how it's really good to understand and believe in something larger than ourselves, right?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Whatever you call it the universe, god, angels, whatever, whatever you want to name it but to believe in something bigger than ourselves, to look at things from a higher perspective than what we're going through.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: There's a grand design to everything in life, so there must be a grand design to our healing journey, right Like if we think about it, and in those terms, that's what I believe yeah, and I, I mean through coaching or the podcast, I always I feel like that's just reminding people of just to remember that because we, just we don't realize how I mean, like, we have the universe in ourselves, right, the stars are literally inside of us, and to think that we, I don't know, it is some people that just don't believe in anything.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like I, you cannot convince me that I come here to live this one life and that's it, like there's, there's literally no way.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, all you have to do is open your eyes and look around.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: You know, and it's just, it's so incredible to, I don't know, be here.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And I think I think of that sometimes, right, when I'm playing the victim, or if I don't know, just, you know, like anything, if I'm like suffering or just going through a really challenging time, or I can't get out of my own way, or my emotions and stress, and I just like try and like shift that I'm like I am just, you know, so fortunate and grateful to be here.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I have my kids in the next room, I have food in my stomach, I have a roof over you know, it's just like, like you said, it's like that, the list of things that I can't do in the list of things that I can do, and sometimes we look at the list that I can't for a while, but it's like coming back to that other list and just be, even if the thing seems so small, there's always a list, you know, and I, that's right, yeah so I I love what you just said, rochelle, because it's so true, like gratitude.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: There's a chapter in the book on gratitude because, honestly, I was.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I was in that terrible place and starting to pull out of it and I was like I need I've always had a gratitude practice, right and then this happened to me in 2016.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what can I be grateful for?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not on my back, my husband has to take care of me like, ah, what am I doing?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: What can I be grateful for?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: And then I really sat with that and said, well, wait a second here, and this is gonna sound really terrible, but it could be worse.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Like it could be worse, like it could be worse.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: It could have been way worse than what it was.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I'm alive, I've got, I've got a mind.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: You know I, I have a spirit and, yeah, my body's having a really rough time right now, but my heart is working.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: So I just started going through the body parts of the world working.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: You know, I started with that list and then I started looking beyond it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: It's like when you, when you look at it in that perspective that you just articulated, you know the bigger picture out of the victimhood right that this terrible thing happened to me and say, well, the bigger picture is, um, it's not going to be like this forever, hopefully, and maybe I'll learn something right, maybe it's a learning opportunity.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I can be grateful for that, right.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And when you really go down that rabbit hole of better thinking and then just think of the world I started, I really did start looking at you know a lot of things on my laptop nature programs, space programs, you know things like that Because I couldn't be out in it.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: It was like maybe I'll just watch it and be amazed.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: And you can't help but think, yeah, there's a bigger purpose here and I'm going through this for a reason I know I am Don't know what it is yet.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: And the wonderful news to anybody who's who's listening to us and saying, yeah, I just don't know about this lady, what I would say is I wasn't always able to be grateful all of those years and it's now been seven, over seven years, right so I wasn't always able to say I see the gift in it.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: But now, as I sit here talking to you and this has been for a few, several years, now a few years it's a gift, it's one of the best gifts that ever happened in my life Not one I would put on my wish list for anyone.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: But it happened right and it was a great gift.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: It was a huge pivot of my life and I was doing wonderful work before that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I was working with these great nonprofits that make the world a better place, and I still do.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: But I had a shift of perspective, a bigger perspective about life and my soul's journey that I I didn't have then.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I just I just wasn't quite there and I'd been on.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I'd been on the spiritual journey since my late twenties, been on the spiritual journey since my late 20s and it's like but it's like an onion, there's always one more layer and I've been making my mind, my medicine, but guess what?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: This happened and I had more work to do All of it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's the biggest gift.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: My life is just so immeasurably changed now in the most wonderful ways.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I was listening to a meditation and they were talking about courage and it was like think of the most courageous act that you've ever done, Right?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And I thought about it and I was like the most courageous act that I've ever done, in the moment felt anything but courageous, I felt like rock bottom.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And so you talk about that being a gift.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: In hindsight, like at the moment, I'm sure you weren't like this is the most magical thing that's happened to my life, Right?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And I think it's important to highlight that.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: That it's not, we're not always going to have the positive mindset and the big picture.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: It's what you choose to believe in, it's what you choose to do it.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you can choose, you can change things in every single moment and you may have moments where you forget that.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But as long as you're coming back to that at some point, I feel like that's where the ability to like really you know, then latch onto that and so definitely.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would be curious, just like in so you were in bed for five years.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: What was sort of?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Was there anything specifically that was sort of the turning point to you know, getting out of bed or shifting things for you or you know, was it?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Was it specifically sound healing or just a combination of all the things?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Was there anything that you can pinpoint to like a moment where things started to change a little bit?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: No, what I say in the book is everything is incremental.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like everything added up to change and I literally dialed in everything from from um, you know, just deep rest, rest and sleep, hibernating, mammoth rest, okay To to supplements.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: To some point, a few years in, I could do physical therapy.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: The mindset stuff was huge.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Setting goals was huge, keeping my spirit up by making good choices was huge.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, you just had something about like it is a matter of making them and you might backslide.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: That happens to me now.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Like that happens.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I have a day where something is not going right or I or I'm having a flare up of autoimmune or something which is so rare.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: When it happens it's, it's startling to me and I'm like, oh no, and I tend to go into that oh no, this is happening again.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: What's happening?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Why is it happening?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, calm yourself down, you know, and just think about this.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: And you know why might it have happened?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: What did you do differently?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: That kind of thing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: So it does happen.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: And even when you're on this path and you're well down the path to healing, you can still have bad moments and forget.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: And it's important to have a practice.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I've got my sound healing and my Reiki practice.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I've got my creative practice as an artist and all the things.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: But I have a practice and I have my meditation practice, and all of those things help me to come back to center.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: You know where we are in the world right now.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Just with everything that's going on in the world, I mean, we're living through a really extraordinary time.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: All of us I like to believe that everyone alive right now is meant to be on the planet right now.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: We all have a gift to bring forward.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: You're bringing your gift forward, right and so, but it's really easy to look at what's happening in the world, in our communities, in our families and get really just to a state of despair and lose hope.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: To a state of despair and lose hope, it's easy to have a dark night of the soul.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: It requires all of us to do whatever we have to do.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, for me it's just unplugging, you know, it's just like unplugging from the news, unplugging from devices, going out in nature, meditating, doing what my practice is to get back on track, but it still happens to all of us, and I would venture to guess that you could take any guru in the world right now and they would tell you the same thing that is, being a human being.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: We're all human beings this happens.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: We have rough times, we lose hope, we live, sometimes for long times, in states of despair.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: It's being a human being.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: We can't beat ourselves up for it.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: We have to find ways to ground and center ourselves right.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Ground ourselves in the present moment, however, that makes sense to you.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know everybody's different.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I've got my little little, you know bag of tricks, but everybody's different.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: You know, find, and I call that finding your medicine.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: What is your medicine?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: What speaks to you, calms you down, grounds you, centers you, gives you hope, makes you get out of bed in the morning, makes life worth living?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: What for you?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Every person has to find it themselves.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: We tend to look outward, especially when we're really young, you know, just leaving our families and getting out into the world.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: We tend to look outward and say, oh, it's out there with money, with stuff, with all the material things, with doing stuff.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: And at some point there should be a pivot toward looking within and saying I'm different from everybody else out there in the world.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: And what I'd like to say to my clients who are struggling with this is there's only one you in the entire world, and you've got a gift and only you have that, and I think it was Marsha Graham, the dancer, choreographer, who has a wonderful quote that I'm going to botch completely, but it's something to the effect of there's only one you in the universe, and if you deny that dance, that song, the whole universe will go without it.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: There's only one of you, and so we have to remember that and look within for it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: It is not only our gift to the world, it is our gift to ourselves.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: It is that authenticity that heals us, I believe.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I 100% believe that too.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we resist it so much and, and, and that's why our body responds in certain ways, like you said in the beginning.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Right, that's our body, we're, we're I think it was the Gabe Armate quote, right, right, where our body is, just, it's trying to show us where we're being inauthentic or where we need to pivot.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, it's, it's, I don't know, it's such a beautiful journey, it's painful and it's hard.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: And something you said earlier that I always remind myself when I am having those days where I'm like, oh my gosh, I've done all this work and it's for nothing because I'm back here in this spot, right, but I always remind myself this is, it's always.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: This too shall pass.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: It's cyclical, it's always going to pass.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: And it's like, again, it's choosing okay, instead of laying here in bed all day, I'm going to get up and I'm going to go to the gym, I'm going to move, or I'm going to meditate, or, you know, whatever it is, you know, maybe I'll give myself a day to like binge reality TV that I don't even like, but it's getting back, you know, and choosing to get back to it.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I laugh.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I laugh because how many times have I been in that situation?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Of course you know it's like we, it, like I said, human beings.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: It happens to every person, ourselves.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: It really to just not beat ourselves up.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: We do get to the point.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Every person gets to the point where you're in that dark place and you don't want to get out of bed.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Give yourself whatever self-care you have to.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: If you need to spend the day doing that, go for it, but then pick yourself back up and find other things that feed your soul.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I just think that so often in life I mean, we're conditioned, right, human beings are conditioned by society, by families, by school, by society and what we might know as young children that heals us, what we might know that gives us energy, that feeds our soul.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: We're taught to conform through school and in society.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: You know, go get a job, get married by this age, have X number of kids.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: You know, have X amount of money, drive these cars, whatever it is, we get conditioned.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: We have to uncondition ourselves to the point of saying what is it that works for me?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: And over many, many, many, many, many years and being in these situations, I have learned I've got a very different recipe than most people.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm just wired differently, so are you, so is everybody else.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: So people have to find what their medicine is and make that your life.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Make that your life and it's evolving.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Let's not say that if it's always music, it's always going to be music.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: You know, we can have new passions and interests and things, that that that feed us spiritually, and and all but but.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: But make that the road that you walk through life yeah, that's beautiful.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if anyone you know is listening and just wants a deeper understanding of you, know the healing, whether it's through you, know modalities of sound or Reiki or anything like that, I know you gave us some really good things that we can do by ourself.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: But beyond that, where can we begin to explore that?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I know you said find local drum circles or sound baths, but if there's anything else that you can leave with them with, and then obviously, how they can find you, how they can work with you, your book, anything else that you want to let them know, and then you had mentioned the heart meditation too, or the heart setting.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, so I've got lots of resources for people in a short period of time.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, so at my website, sufferingtothrivingcom that's where people can connect with me and find out about the book.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: The book is a toolkit of like 36 short tools, really short chapters, that each one is a tool needed on the healing journey.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a great place to start for anybody who's really struggling right now in that place, and the book has tons of resources in it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the chapters is the healing power of art.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: I give lots of resources for, okay, well, what does that mean?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Where do I go?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Who can teach me?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: You know external resources.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: I also, at the bottom of my homepage, have a number of articles.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: I wrote three articles for Yoga Magazine.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: One is on sound healing.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: It has links in the articles to learn more about the research if you're interested in that, and learn about sound healing organizations and all of those kinds of things.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: So each one of those articles has within them lots of resources.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Another article was on making your mind your medicine and the other one was on intuition intuition being our inner healer.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: You know that sort of thinking, and so there are a lot of resources there, right there at my website.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: That's also where people can learn how to work with me in one-on-one sound healing and Reiki.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: And then the big gift which I'm so excited about, Dr Charlize Davis, who is a doctor of functional medicine.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: She and I teamed up to create several modules within what we call Healing the Heart Chakra.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: She comes at it from the standpoint of if your heart chakra is out of balance, what does that look like?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Arrhythmia or a heart disease, things like breast cancer, shoulder problems, thyroid lung issues all kinds of physical ailments show up as an imbalance in the heart chakra.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: So she takes it from the doctor's point of view of what those symptoms look like and what they mean.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: And then I come at it from the standpoint of vibrational medicine.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: By the way, she is also a Reiki master herself and very into vibrational healing.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: So when she works with people she brings all of these into complement with Western modalities.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: But I talk about the chakras and what that means, what these energy centers are, what the heart chakra means, how to tell energetically if it's out of balance, and then things like what we can do at home Some of those things I mentioned to you about humming and singing and tapping and all.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I have quite a long list in this, in this free offering I I don't know whether I mentioned it was free.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: It is a free offering, by the way, and it's a.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: It's a couple of hours, uh, in in short modules.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: And then the other part of it is it ends with with a long sound bath that I have geared specifically toward the heart chakra and and balancing the heart chakra.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: And balancing the heart chakra and the heart chakra is in between our root chakra and our crown chakra, and how we bring all of those into communication with each other, which is, I think, fascinating and part of what my daily ritual is.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: And then so there's that whole sound bath that people can avail themselves to and listen to as many times as they want.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: They can download it, and so it is a really powerful resource, and the whole time I'm giving the sound bath and Reiki energy, so is Dr Charlize, so it's really powerful.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: A lot of people have gotten in touch with us to tell us that they've gotten quite a lot out of it.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: So I encourage anybody who's interested to go to my website.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: It's on the top banner.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: They can sign up and get all of those freebies.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I will be getting that myself.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: That sounds amazing.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thank you so much for having this conversation with me.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I literally I mean I had chills like most of the time that we were talking.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: So I always appreciate when conversations, you know, have like a body response like that.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for sharing your energy.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: It's been an honor.
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  Speaker 2: I just love that our conversation just organically grew to hit upon all of these very exciting and what I hope will be helpful for people.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course, You're so welcome.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you you.