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Sharri | 17 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Line sharing.
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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone, Yes, Steve Price, with you filling in for
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Speaker 2: Shari a week and I'll be back on Friday at
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Speaker 2: six with our normal program coming up. Disciplined and silent.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump turns up for day two of the Republican Invention,
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Speaker 2: keeping the world hanging on his acceptance speech, which will
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Speaker 2: be Thursday, US time. Leaving the stage today to Nikky
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Speaker 2: Haley and Ron DeSantis will cross to the US shortly
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Speaker 2: back home. Immigration is top three when you look at
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Speaker 2: the upcoming election issues. I reckon after the cost of
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Speaker 2: living and energy policy. A new study he has showed
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Speaker 2: immigration hasn't slowed as promised by labor and can you
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Speaker 2: believe this stat We're adding a new migrant every minute
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Speaker 2: every day. I'll talk to the IPA about those numbers. Plus,
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Speaker 2: what is the actual threat of a Trump shooting targeting
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Speaker 2: Trump style shooting targeting Australian politicians given out tougher gun
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Speaker 2: laws and lack of gun culture, you're thinking to be
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Speaker 2: pretty slim. I'll run that past our panel, but let's
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Speaker 2: get into it tonight.
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Speaker 1: First.
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Speaker 2: A couple of hours apart today, the chaotic and dysfunctional,
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Speaker 2: delusional federal labor government running this country was on full
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Speaker 2: show live right here on Sky News. Now, I can't
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Speaker 2: split Industrial Relations Minister Tony Burke and Agriculture Minister Murray Watt.
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Speaker 2: But given the seriousness of the CFMEU corruption allegations, I'll
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Speaker 2: give Burke the gold Medal Goose of the Day award.
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Speaker 2: Now I'll get to Murray Watt a sec But Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: the bloke who single handedly dismantled the ABCC, the Australian
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Speaker 2: Building Construction Commission watchdog or the kop on the beat.
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Speaker 2: That was one of his first actions and one of
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Speaker 2: the first actions of the new Labor government of being elected,
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Speaker 2: giving mobs like the CFMEU free reign. How could Burke
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Speaker 2: have the hide to stand up there today pretending you
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Speaker 2: had no idea of what those alleged thub thugs were
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Speaker 2: up to. He attempted to suggest it was news to him.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes additional evidence comes through the media. On this occasion,
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Speaker 3: the evidence about organized crime has come through the media.
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Speaker 3: I'm grateful that that's been exposed and that's why we're acting.
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Speaker 3: I think some of this goes to the nature of
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Speaker 3: organized crime. But this is something I had not been
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Speaker 3: previously briefed on. And it is something that as I say,
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Speaker 3: not in terms of organized crime, the organized crime issue,
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Speaker 3: and I just go to it was published as an exclusive.
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Speaker 3: That's because this was new information.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, that was Michelle Gratton, the veteral veteran Canberra Bureau
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Speaker 2: member giving it to Tony Burke. Now, as I said
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Speaker 2: last night, blind Freddie was aware of the SEPKA led
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Speaker 2: union in victoriating the big build projects, extracting inflainted salaries,
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Speaker 2: threatening non union outfits with violence, getting double six figure
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Speaker 2: salaries for sign holders, blowing out project budgets and delaying
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Speaker 2: those same projects to keep the gravy train rolling. And
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Speaker 2: it wasn't until the recent investigation by the Nine Papers
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Speaker 2: shone a very bright light into some very dark corners
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Speaker 2: that the CFMEU enablers and I speak of the government's
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Speaker 2: federal and state suddenly had to go, whoops, we better
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Speaker 2: do something here. Bert the blokeoo sacked the construction police.
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Speaker 2: The ABCC had the hide to even try and muddy
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Speaker 2: the waters around political donations today.
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Speaker 3: Quite properly, they're not made by ministers. These decisions. I
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Speaker 3: usually only find out about amounts when journalists know the numbers.
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Speaker 3: It's not something that interests me, and certainly not something
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Speaker 3: that influences me. But the national Executive will be meeting
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and dealing with this in a fairly firm fashion.
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Speaker 2: Get off the grass, minister, you know nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with me, he says. I can't do anything. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how much money was paid. I never asked the
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Speaker 2: classics don't ask about something you don't want to know
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Speaker 2: the answer to would be my version of that. Burt
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Speaker 2: must think we are idiots. Big union, big money. Take
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Speaker 2: away the scrutiny, keep the CFMEU happy, keep the donations
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Speaker 2: rolling in, and we are supposed to believe no one
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Speaker 2: from alban Easy Burken Premier Alan Down ever heard about
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Speaker 2: any of the problems with what is now alleged to
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Speaker 2: have been amounted to organized crime, a crime gang operating
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded construction programs, recruiting bikers, and, if today's reports
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Speaker 2: are accurate, taking cash bribes. Burke even made the ridiculous
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Speaker 2: comment that it was crazy for the Libs to suggest labor,
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Speaker 2: state and federal hand back the dirty union money to
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Speaker 2: the cfme EU. What about handing it back to consolidated
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Speaker 2: revenue instead of advertising agencies making election ads that will
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Speaker 2: be news for labor.
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Speaker 1: In an election. Here it was Burke on donations.
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Speaker 3: The concept of handing money back is one of the
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Speaker 3: most astonishing and absurd ideas I've seen. Are the Liberal
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Speaker 3: parties seriously suggesting that at this moment the action of
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Speaker 3: the government should be that we hand money to the CFMU.
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Speaker 2: Okay, don't end it back, but put it in a
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Speaker 2: safe place and don't spend it on getting re elected.
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Speaker 2: And what about the hapless Murray Watt. I mean, please,
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Speaker 2: this is the bloke who's the agricultural minister who wants
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Speaker 2: to ban the live expert of experts of sheep. Now
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Speaker 2: he was speaking at a global food forum in Queensland
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Speaker 2: this morning. What could possibly go wrong? You'd think, Well,
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Speaker 2: it didn't start all that well.
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Speaker 4: I'd also like to start by acknowledging the traditional owners
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Speaker 4: of the land that we're gathering on today, our first farmers,
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Speaker 4: and pay my respects to elders, past, present and emerging.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: The idea Indigenous Australians or First Nations people were farmers
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Speaker 2: in the modern sense is highly contestable, unless, of course,
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Speaker 2: you are that author Bruce Pasco who wrote Dark Emute. Clearly,
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Speaker 2: what is a fan minister. What also at the Food
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Speaker 2: forum full of people you won't believe this who need
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Speaker 2: reliable base load power electricity for food production, decided to
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Speaker 2: unload on Peter Dutton and the coalition's nuclear policy.
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Speaker 4: Nuclear energy production is a thirsty endeavor. The generation of
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Speaker 4: nuclear energy requires a significant amount of water. The fact
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Speaker 4: is that for an already risky policy, mister Dutton hasn't
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Speaker 4: outlined where any additional water is going to come from
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Speaker 4: for his nuclear reactors.
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Speaker 2: Gee Murray, I'm not sure that was the time or
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Speaker 2: the place. While extolling the advantages of renewable energy the
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Speaker 2: great Government Wind and sun Mantra to combat climate change
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Speaker 2: that's threatening the future of the planet, he.
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Speaker 1: Let a little cat out of the bag big time. Today.
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Speaker 4: Australian agriculture has been notching up quite a few wins lately,
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Speaker 4: whether it be record production levels, massive grain harvests and
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Speaker 4: exports of beef and sheep meat.
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Speaker 1: There you have it.
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Speaker 2: So while the world climate is in such bad shape
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Speaker 2: and people like Tim Flannery talked about dams never being
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Speaker 2: full again, no snowball or normal panic merchant stuff, we
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Speaker 2: are growing record grain crops to make food well played
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Speaker 2: Murray and finally, just by accident, the Prime Minister found
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Speaker 2: himself in Brisbane today. There must be some sort of
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Speaker 2: rugby league game on tonight, and his tough guy talk
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Speaker 2: about cutting the cancer out of the CFMEU was even
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Speaker 2: less convincing than that from Burke.
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Speaker 5: We're not waiting, we're being decisive and we've worked through
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Speaker 5: with the Fair Work Commission as we said we would do,
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Speaker 5: and with legal advice as we said we would do.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of words to describe Anthony Albanez, Trime Minister, Decisive,
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Speaker 2: in my humble opinion, not be.
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Speaker 1: One of them.
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Speaker 2: Then late today, obviously at the urging of the PM
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Speaker 2: to try and stem the bleeding, the ACTU held three
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Speaker 2: hours of meetings and they cut the construction arm of
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Speaker 2: the CFMEU loose and urged the union to work with
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Speaker 2: an independent administrator. It shows how playing with the devil
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Speaker 2: hoping you don't get burnt never turns out well.
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Speaker 1: In the end, and a tip from me gets it.
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Speaker 2: For the CFMEU protests, the project lockdowns, the concrete pause
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Speaker 2: being stopped and a major pushback on any of this.
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Speaker 2: They will not be pushed around. First up, let's bring
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Speaker 2: in our panel tonight, joining me former Victorian Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: president Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister Graham rich O Richardson.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both. The ACTU they've agreed to
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Speaker 2: suspend the CFMEU as an affiliate of the movement's peak body,
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Speaker 2: Sally McManus came out late today. Have I listened to
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Speaker 2: what she had to say.
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Speaker 6: This is the best path forward in terms of satisfying
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Speaker 6: their members, the trade union movement, the public that they
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Speaker 6: are the union that is free of criminal elements and
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Speaker 6: of violence.
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Speaker 2: Pretty grim little gathering there, Graham Richardson. The unions and
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party, they are forever linked. And I don't
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Speaker 2: have a problem with that. But when you start reading
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Speaker 2: what Channel nine found and you watch sixty minutes, clearly
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Speaker 2: the construction arm of the CFMEU in many of the
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Speaker 2: states has got to be cut loose, doesn't.
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Speaker 7: It Absolutely should have been cut loose years ago. I mean,
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Speaker 7: we've all known about it, Everyone speaks about it.
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Speaker 1: Sodovoch.
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Speaker 7: You know, we just don't want to stand up and say, hey,
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Speaker 7: there are really crooked people in our party and in
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Speaker 7: our movement, and we should turf them and.
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Speaker 1: Turf them quickly.
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Speaker 2: And when you were there when the BLF was de registered.
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Speaker 2: Is it worse now or not as bad? Is it worse?
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Speaker 7: Look, I think it depends which state you're in. Some
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Speaker 7: of the BWU CFMU, to use the current phrase, are
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Speaker 7: pretty good, but sadly too many of them are not.
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Speaker 7: And we've got to be very careful and so state
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Speaker 7: by state you've got to have a look at it.
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Speaker 7: And where you find people who are basically crooks, you
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Speaker 7: just got to get rid of them. You cut them loose.
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Speaker 7: You don't let them just hang around like a bad smell.
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Speaker 1: And a lift. You just get rid of them. Michael,
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Speaker 1: we're in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: We knew about it. Everyone knew about it in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: I mean you look at all of those big projects.
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Speaker 2: They're all over budget because of the fact that all
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Speaker 2: of these deals have been done. How could the premierges
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Speaker 2: Senter Alan not.
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Speaker 1: Know about it.
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Speaker 8: Right year wrong? No one knew it, No one knew
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Speaker 8: anything about it. It's a complete shock to everyone down
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Speaker 8: here in the Victorian government. Tony Burke, he's completely shocked.
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Speaker 8: Words have failed him. And to Cinder Allen, who was
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Speaker 8: in charge of infrastructure for a decade here, it's a
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Speaker 8: complete mystery to Hershey knew nothing about it whatsoever. No,
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Speaker 8: this is all complete news to them. I must say
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Speaker 8: credit where credit is due to Channel nine Fairfax and
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Speaker 8: Nick mackenzie and his colleagues for a brilliant investigation.
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Speaker 1: But Pricy, I'd like this to happen. I'd like the.
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Speaker 8: Members of the Federal government, the ministers of the Federal government,
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Speaker 8: Alban easy Burke and the others, to release all communications,
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Speaker 8: any and all communications they receive from anyone in the
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Speaker 8: CFMAU federal Estate branches in relation to the Labour Party's
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Speaker 8: policy to abolish the Building Industry Construction Authority the ABCC.
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Speaker 1: Were they lobbied at.
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Speaker 8: All by the CFMU, and if they were, could they
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Speaker 8: release all those communications? Because this inquiry is got this
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Speaker 8: administrator thing. This is not serious. As the BCA have
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Speaker 8: said today, correctly, there needs to be a judicial inquiry.
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Speaker 8: But let's see if the government were lobbied at all
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Speaker 8: by VCFMU over the Building in Construction Industry watchdog, that
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Speaker 8: would be very interesting to see.
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Speaker 2: Pricey, that's very good point, now, both of you. One
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Speaker 2: of our favorite people on the planet, Kevin Rudd, was
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Speaker 2: back on the TV today. He's astrated, his ambassador to
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Speaker 2: Washington very kind to me in several interviews I've done
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Speaker 2: with him, and he did send me a very threatening
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Speaker 2: letter at one point. But Kevin was out speaking on
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Speaker 2: the sidelines, batting away speculation that his criticism of the
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Speaker 2: former president Donald Trump could jeopardize his job in Washington.
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Speaker 2: He talked about the possibility of Trump being elected. He
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Speaker 2: was talking with another old friend of ours, Joe Hockey.
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Speaker 2: Have a quick listen to what he had to say.
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Speaker 9: The really good thing about the United States is brand
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Speaker 9: Australia is in good working order, and therefore we are
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Speaker 9: in a good position to work with whichever party is elected.
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Speaker 9: If the American people vote for Donald Trump and for j. D.
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Speaker 9: E Vance, Australian government led by Anthony ALBERNUSI will be
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Speaker 9: in there working hard, positively, constructively with incoming Republican administration
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Speaker 9: from day one.
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Speaker 2: Rich Oh, I hope I haven't triggered you with that vision, have.
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Speaker 7: I Thankfully, when you're in this seat you don't get
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Speaker 7: any vision, because I mean, the side of that Blake
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Speaker 7: just does terrible things to me, terrible things.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just wish I was happy.
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Speaker 7: When he went to America because it was a long
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Speaker 7: way away, but I just wish he wouldn't bob up.
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Speaker 1: Ever.
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Speaker 7: I want it disappearing, Kevin. That's what we want you
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Speaker 7: to do, mate, Just disappear.
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Speaker 8: Mid ating one Pricey that thought that Kevin looked a
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Speaker 8: bit tired during that interview, tired or emotional.
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Speaker 1: One of the two was that just me.
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Speaker 10: No.
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Speaker 8: Look, here's the thing when Trump gets elected. If Trump
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Speaker 8: gets elected, he gets a briefing on Australia, they're going
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Speaker 8: to say, He's going to say, right, tell me about
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Speaker 8: the Australian government. They'll say, well, the Prime minister's views
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Speaker 8: are like those of Bernie Sanders, the Foreign minister's views
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Speaker 8: are like those of Hillary Clinton. And the Australian ambassador
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Speaker 8: in Washington hates your guts. So that's a good start
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Speaker 8: for Australia. On a serious note, with Hockey, I mean, Hockey,
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Speaker 8: since you left office has set up at an incredibly
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Speaker 8: successful international business and all credit to him. Hockey will
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Speaker 8: be very important. Actually in America. Hockey is friends with Trump,
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Speaker 8: as you said, correctly, He's been friendly with rud and
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Speaker 8: good on him for more than a decade. And Hockey
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Speaker 8: will need to do a lot of work as I'm
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Speaker 8: sure he and Rudd are doing. At that Republican convention,
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Speaker 8: Hockey will be saying to people, no, no, this Rud
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Speaker 8: guy's all right, because Hockey is very much Team Australia.
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Speaker 8: But Rudd has a lot of ground to make up.
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Speaker 8: And of course Donald Trump's if he's shown the videos
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Speaker 8: of these comments by right and that horrible, horrible Q
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Speaker 8: and A appearance, he'll immediately start with a very negative
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Speaker 8: view of Australia and it'll take more than Joe Hockey
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Speaker 8: and Greg Norman to fix that.
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Speaker 1: Rich O.
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Speaker 2: On a serious note, former Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews
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Speaker 2: today says, in the wake of the shooting attempt on
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's life, that it's only a matter of time
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Speaker 2: until similar attempts are made on Australian politician. She's backed
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Speaker 2: a review into protection of MPs that Mike Presulo called for.
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Speaker 2: You were in politics for a very long time, you
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Speaker 2: were I'm sure at points in time potential risk. I
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Speaker 2: don't tend to agree with her. We don't have the
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Speaker 2: gun culture. We don't have the guns. We've had a
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Speaker 2: few nutters who've committed horrendous gun crimes in this country,
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Speaker 2: but did you ever feel that politicians were being targeted.
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Speaker 1: No, not really. I think we're very fortunate here.
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Speaker 7: You know, our Prime minister can walk down the street,
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Speaker 7: buy a newspaper and have a cup of coffee and
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Speaker 7: no one is going to do anything about it. No
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Speaker 7: one will take any action against him. You can't do
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Speaker 7: that in many countries in the world. So we are
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Speaker 7: really really fortunate in that respect. But you know, I
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Speaker 7: think with what happened with Trump this week, it just
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Speaker 7: shows you that if you've got guns everywhere, someone's going
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Speaker 7: to use them, and somebody's going to use them for
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Speaker 7: an illegitimate, in the shocking purpose, and that's why.
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Speaker 1: We don't have the guns.
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Speaker 7: I've always had a soft spot for John Howard for
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Speaker 7: the actions he took in respective guns, and I think,
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Speaker 7: you know, it's one of those things where both sides.
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Speaker 1: Are united on it.
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Speaker 7: We're going to make sure that we don't make it
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Speaker 7: easier to get guns.
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Speaker 2: Michael the Richo's mentioned there at John Howard. I mean
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Speaker 2: that famous photograph of the then Prime Minister with a
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Speaker 2: bulletproof vest on under his suit addressing members of the
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Speaker 2: National Party while he was trying to get his gun
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Speaker 2: laws through the Parliament. That's one of the most identifiable
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Speaker 2: photos we've ever had of a Prime minister in this country.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is, and all credit to John Howard. That's
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Speaker 8: why in times of Cristis you need leaders with courage
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Speaker 8: and Howard had it on that issue and so many others.
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Speaker 8: So he did the right thing there.
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Speaker 1: I met it that it didn't help him. Years later.
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Speaker 8: I remember him telling a story how he and George W.
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Speaker 8: Bush spoke at a Republican dinner in Texas where the
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Speaker 8: MC was going through Howard's achievements as Prime Minister and
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Speaker 8: mentioned his restriction on guns, and he said it didn't
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Speaker 8: go down too well amongst the Republican crowd at the
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Speaker 8: dinner in Texas, but you wouldn't expect it would. But
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Speaker 8: here in Australia he did a great job on that
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Speaker 8: issue and all credit to him.
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Speaker 1: He did indeed.
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Speaker 2: Michael Croger and Graham Richardson, great to see you both,
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us tonight. Now after the
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Speaker 2: break the cfma U saga spreadston New South Wales as
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Speaker 2: the opposition calls for a Royal commission plus more from
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Speaker 2: the United States. On day two of that extraordinary Republican
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Speaker 2: National Convention. Welcome back Steve Price in for Shari. The
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Speaker 2: English do pomp and ceremony better than anyone else. And
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Speaker 2: some pictures just in to our newsroom. Now, King Charles
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Speaker 2: the Third is officially opening the new session of Parliament.
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Speaker 2: He will read a speech written by the newly elected government,
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Speaker 2: of course, led by Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Now this
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Speaker 2: week it was announced that King Charles and Camilla of
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Speaker 2: course are going to head to Australia in October. I
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Speaker 2: visit Sydney and Canberra, while the King, of course continues
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Speaker 2: treatment for cancer after he was diagnosed in January. We
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Speaker 2: look forward to seeing him when he arrives with Camilla
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Speaker 2: in Australia, when it is I think in October. So
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Speaker 2: wonderful pictures in. Look at that pomp and ceremony down
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Speaker 2: the mall. Camilla is a lighting there from that golden carriage,
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Speaker 2: and King Charles will be right behind her.
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Speaker 1: He will open the.
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Speaker 2: British Parliament shortly as I said, he will read a
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Speaker 2: speech that's the tradition in the UK where the incoming
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Speaker 2: government will have outlined what their prospects for Britain are.
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Speaker 2: So wonderful pictures in from the UK the Parliament sitting
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Speaker 2: and there will be shots on that as we go
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Speaker 2: through the night.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: With King Charles opening the Parliament in the UK, well
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Speaker 2: let's see if MEU scandal gets worse by the hour.
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Speaker 2: There has been calls or obviously for a Royal commission
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Speaker 2: into that trade union and deals and allegations of corruption
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Speaker 2: and thagish behavior. It just goes on and on. It
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Speaker 2: started on Friday night with John Setka quitting. The Victorian
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Speaker 2: branch was in the spotlight.
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Speaker 1: Well, that spotlight's well.
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Speaker 2: And true now changed and it's shining straight on the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales branch. After the nine investigation, a revealed
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Speaker 2: security vision I've seen it today online which captured the
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Speaker 2: state's construction union boss Darren Greenfield allegedly being passed a
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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars bundle of cash under the table as
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Speaker 2: part of a suspected kickback. Now this is in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: but still, if that's true, then that crisis is worse
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Speaker 2: than it could ever be imagined. New South Wales Premier
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins Today's suspended affiliation with the state Labor Party,
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Speaker 2: but there are plenty of concerns the action doesn't go
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Speaker 2: far enough. It seems to me federal labor and state
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Speaker 2: labor governments in New South Wales, Queensland and now New
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Speaker 2: South Wales have been dragged kicking and screaming to do
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Speaker 2: anything about it. Joining me is the act. In New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, opposition leader Damien Chewed Hope, good to see
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Speaker 2: you again. This mess started, we thought in Victoria, but
20:57
Speaker 2: if what we saw today, Damien is accurate, it's spread
21:01
Speaker 2: pretty clearly to New South Wales.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's an enormous problem. And in fact, Steve, what
21:09
Speaker 11: I'd be saying to you, of course, is is that
21:11
Speaker 11: the real person you should be interviewing now is not
21:14
Speaker 11: me but the Premiere, and he should be on the
21:16
Speaker 11: front foot in relation to this and assuring the people
21:20
Speaker 11: who work in the construction industries, both the employees and
21:23
Speaker 11: the employers, that their integrity is something that he holds sacred.
21:27
Speaker 11: But it has taken the New South Wales premiere three
21:32
Speaker 11: days to formulate a reaction to these allegations. Initially, he
21:37
Speaker 11: says that well, the fees paid by the union by
21:45
Speaker 11: way of affiliation fees were not really political donations. Today
21:48
Speaker 11: they are all of a sudden, But he doesn't want
21:51
Speaker 11: to say we'll give back the money we've received since
21:54
Speaker 11: two thousand, because that would be impossible to do. Really
21:58
Speaker 11: and truly, I think there is a growing demand for
22:01
Speaker 11: the benefit of the workers in this industry to have
22:04
Speaker 11: a royal commission, because it actually gives assurance that this
22:08
Speaker 11: is an industry which will be cleaned up and we
22:11
Speaker 11: will put in place measures to ensure that it is
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Speaker 11: an industry which is free from corruption.
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Speaker 1: You and I have been around a long time.
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Speaker 2: The ACTU came out today late this afternoon suspended affiliation
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Speaker 2: with the construction arm of the CFMEU. You I can
22:29
Speaker 2: only suspect that either the Prime Minister's office or Tony
22:34
Speaker 2: Birk's office have been on the phone saying, for goodness sake,
22:37
Speaker 2: try and drag us out of this mess, because the
22:39
Speaker 2: state premier is initially including Jacinta Allen here and Victoria
22:42
Speaker 2: did not want to get involved.
22:46
Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 11: The problem that the ILP has in relation to this
22:50
Speaker 11: is that the general perception that who pays the piper
22:54
Speaker 11: calls the churn runs absolutely true to this scenario. This
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Speaker 11: is a union engaged in corrupt activity building some of
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Speaker 11: the most important infrastructure for the state, hopefully dragging us
23:09
Speaker 11: through a housing crisis that we need to get through
23:12
Speaker 11: and build the cheapest possible housing. If they are part
23:16
Speaker 11: of the construction which is renovating the states and delivering
23:22
Speaker 11: outcomes to the state, wouldn't you want to know? Wouldn't
23:25
Speaker 11: you want to know that that is a union which
23:28
Speaker 11: is clean, free of corruption. Deals with the New South
23:31
Speaker 11: Wales government are absolutely clean and the only way, the
23:35
Speaker 11: only way that you can do that now is twofold
23:38
Speaker 11: for the government and the Premier to come out and say,
23:41
Speaker 11: we mon't have a bar of this. We're going to
23:42
Speaker 11: give back all the money we've received since two thousand
23:45
Speaker 11: when these allegations first serviced. We're not going to be
23:49
Speaker 11: seen to be someone who benefits from tainted money for
23:53
Speaker 11: the purposes of getting elected to government. We're not going
23:55
Speaker 11: to have any association with this union. But the response
23:59
Speaker 11: has been well, we will in fact not take any
24:03
Speaker 11: money going forward from this union. Well, I don't know
24:06
Speaker 11: what has happened between today and yesterday. Yesterday's money was
24:11
Speaker 11: cleaned money. Tomorrow's money is not clean money. It clearly
24:15
Speaker 11: is a problem for the Labor government. The Premier, mister
24:20
Speaker 11: Menz has got to say I won't have anything to
24:22
Speaker 11: do with these people, because the old maximum plies if
24:26
Speaker 11: you're lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
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Speaker 1: The state of.
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Speaker 2: New South Wales, largely under a government of which you
24:35
Speaker 2: were a member, and I talk about the bad, beveragicli
24:39
Speaker 2: and Peritate governments, did a remarkable job building huge, huge
24:44
Speaker 2: infrastructure projects. I mean we can winge about the tunnel
24:48
Speaker 2: tolls and all of that stuff. But do you suspect
24:51
Speaker 2: when you look back on that now the construction costs
24:54
Speaker 2: of some of those projects would have been highly inflated
24:58
Speaker 2: by the wage demand and the contracts were written to
25:02
Speaker 2: use CFMEU workers on those projects.
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Speaker 11: Well, the answer it clearly is probably the only way
25:14
Speaker 11: to really find out the extent to which some of
25:16
Speaker 11: those contracts were impacted by CFMEU negotiations could only be
25:22
Speaker 11: found out by a Royal commission with wide ranging powers.
25:26
Speaker 11: But let me just say this is the New South
25:29
Speaker 11: Wilds government has a procurement pipeline of about thirty to
25:33
Speaker 11: forty billion dollars a year. It is the largest procurer
25:37
Speaker 11: of any corporation or corporate entity in the Southern Hemisphere.
25:42
Speaker 1: Now, the extent to.
25:43
Speaker 11: Which unions are involved in that procurement process and that
25:49
Speaker 11: there is a stiff of corruption around the manner in
25:54
Speaker 11: which those tenders are being procured, then we can't be
25:58
Speaker 11: satisfied that we're getting the best value for dollar. And
26:01
Speaker 11: what happened in Victoria was this, Steve is that.
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Speaker 1: For the.
26:06
Speaker 11: Big build down there, the certification process to get the
26:11
Speaker 11: tenders was dictated by the CFMEU. There is a process
26:16
Speaker 11: in New South Wales currently where the government is seeking
26:19
Speaker 11: to actually review the procurement process of the New South
26:23
Speaker 11: Wales government and guess what, the CFMEU was one of
26:26
Speaker 11: the first person to make a submission to that inquiry
26:30
Speaker 11: wanting to put in place the Victorian model where they
26:33
Speaker 11: would approve the certification process for approved tenders, not only
26:38
Speaker 11: for the approved tenders, but for all the subcontractors of
26:41
Speaker 11: those tenders. So you have to say there's a real
26:44
Speaker 11: problem here and it needs to be sorted out, and
26:47
Speaker 11: in many respects that the Premier should come out and
26:50
Speaker 11: say we're not going to have that infrastructure which benefits
26:53
Speaker 11: the CFMEU or organizations like that in New South Wales.
26:58
Speaker 1: Just finally, Damien.
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Speaker 2: I criticized at the beginning of the program tonight the
27:04
Speaker 2: inaction from Tony Burke based in New South Wales. Anthony Alberezi,
27:09
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. They seem to be wanting the States
27:12
Speaker 2: to bear the burden of this, but surely they need
27:15
Speaker 2: to take some responsibility. After all, it was Burke who
27:19
Speaker 2: shut down the Australian Building and Construction Commission.
27:25
Speaker 5: And.
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Speaker 11: That is absolutely right because the ABCC acted as a
27:32
Speaker 11: vehicle for being able to field complaints. Where do you
27:35
Speaker 11: go if you've got a problem with the with the
27:37
Speaker 11: union making demands on you and you want to get
27:40
Speaker 11: some relief from that. If you can go to the media,
27:45
Speaker 11: that's one out, but you should have an organization where
27:48
Speaker 11: you can go and lodge a complaint, have it investigated
27:51
Speaker 11: and dealt with. That's been dismantled federally by getting rid
27:55
Speaker 11: of the ABCC. It's been weakened in New South Wales
28:00
Speaker 11: where there was a complaints body, So that there needs
28:04
Speaker 11: to be a mechanism where whistleblowers can go. And I
28:06
Speaker 11: just said one last thing. The employers in this industry
28:10
Speaker 11: are not absolutely free from blame and a Royal Commission
28:13
Speaker 11: would expose this as well, because there are plenty of
28:15
Speaker 11: Tier one employers who are prepared to get into bed
28:18
Speaker 11: with these unions and do the deals with them to
28:21
Speaker 11: get these contracts. And can I say they don't do
28:24
Speaker 11: the industry any favors, and in fact, they don't do
28:27
Speaker 11: the state any favors because it just inflates the cost
28:30
Speaker 11: of these contracts in circumstances where we the taxpayers, are
28:34
Speaker 11: paying for it. So I'd be saying to the employers,
28:37
Speaker 11: you've got to get on board and weed this stuff out.
28:39
Speaker 11: The government has got to get on board and actually
28:41
Speaker 11: make sure that there is a clean system. And the
28:44
Speaker 11: only way that we can know that that's going to
28:46
Speaker 11: happen is have a Royal commission into it.
28:50
Speaker 2: Well said Damien Tudo. Thanks for your help tonight. Good
28:54
Speaker 2: on your thanks to Let's go to the United States now,
28:58
Speaker 2: where it's been another pack at the Republican National Convention,
29:02
Speaker 2: Donald Trump making another appearance today to a unified party.
29:06
Speaker 2: His former rivals Nikki Higley and Ron De santis I
29:09
Speaker 2: gave speeches praising the now official candidate for president.
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Speaker 12: He listen, if we have four more years of Biby
29:18
Speaker 12: or a single day of Harris, our country will be
29:23
Speaker 12: badly worse off. For the sake of our nation, we
29:28
Speaker 12: have to go with Donald Trump.
29:30
Speaker 13: Our enemies do not confine their designs between ten am
29:35
Speaker 13: and four pm.
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Speaker 1: We need.
29:39
Speaker 13: We need a commander in chief who can lead twenty
29:43
Speaker 13: four hours a day and seven days a week. America
29:48
Speaker 13: cannot afford four more years of a weekend at Bernie's presidency.
29:54
Speaker 2: Joining me now is commentator and host of Outkicks, Tommy
29:58
Speaker 2: Larin is feelss Tommy la Rin Day two the RNC,
30:02
Speaker 2: I watched the full speech of Ron de Santa San
30:05
Speaker 2: Nikki Highly. What do you make of Nikki Highly being
30:08
Speaker 2: back into the tent? What do you think Donald Trump would.
30:11
Speaker 1: Make of that?
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Speaker 14: Well, listen, I think that former President Donald Trump is
30:16
Speaker 14: happy to have the party united. We simply cannot win
30:19
Speaker 14: if we don't have a united front, a united Republican Party.
30:23
Speaker 14: And with all of the primary challenges, with all of
30:26
Speaker 14: the issues that we had in the House of Representatives,
30:29
Speaker 14: not being able to pick a speaker, I don't think
30:31
Speaker 14: many Republicans were confident that we would get to this
30:34
Speaker 14: point sitting here in July at this kind of convention,
30:37
Speaker 14: being the Party of Unity, and the party that is unified,
30:40
Speaker 14: and the party that is loyal, and the party that
30:42
Speaker 14: is galvanized around a candidate no one thought that would
30:45
Speaker 14: be the Republican Party, but it is the Democrat Party.
30:48
Speaker 14: They don't even know which candidate they want at this point.
30:51
Speaker 14: There's a lot of infighting, really a mutiny to get
30:54
Speaker 14: rid of the top of their ticket. And then over
30:56
Speaker 14: on their Republican side, you have to just tonight, you
30:59
Speaker 14: have a you have Nikki Haley, you have Governor Ron
31:02
Speaker 14: De Santis, all talking about how they endorse and they
31:05
Speaker 14: support the candidate President Donald Trump. So I think you
31:08
Speaker 14: see an incredible amount of unity on the Republican side,
31:11
Speaker 14: and as a Republican, I sure love to see it.
31:14
Speaker 2: Do you think the attempted assassination at the weekend, that
31:17
Speaker 2: all full event that unfoulded has galvanazed Donald Trump's campaign.
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Speaker 14: I think it certainly has. And I'll tell you what,
31:24
Speaker 14: just watching former President Trump at the convention for these
31:28
Speaker 14: couple of days, I think that there is a notable
31:30
Speaker 14: change in his demeanor. I think that he realizes that
31:33
Speaker 14: this could have very different and very much so been
31:36
Speaker 14: in a very different situation for him, and he could
31:38
Speaker 14: have been injured much worse or even died last weekend.
31:41
Speaker 14: So I think you see a different demeanor. But I
31:43
Speaker 14: also think that you see a party that is ready
31:46
Speaker 14: to fight for America, that's ready to unify, not just
31:49
Speaker 14: within itself, but ready to unify America. We've realized that
31:52
Speaker 14: the other side, which promised us that for three and
31:55
Speaker 14: a half years, has failed to do it. So I
31:57
Speaker 14: think that you're seeing a reinvigoration of what it means
32:00
Speaker 14: means to be a Republican, a conservative, a patriot an American.
32:03
Speaker 14: And that's what you're seeing at this convention, with a
32:05
Speaker 14: lot of folks being invited to speak that normally wouldn't
32:08
Speaker 14: be invited to speak at a Republican convention. I think
32:11
Speaker 14: we're breaking down walls and barriers, we're expanding the tent,
32:14
Speaker 14: and that all things that vote very well for an
32:17
Speaker 14: election in November.
32:18
Speaker 2: Look, you could excuse Donald Trump for not turning up
32:21
Speaker 2: there until he speaks on Thursday. I think yes that
32:24
Speaker 2: I and again today that Trump looked, in my view,
32:27
Speaker 2: a little shike and a little bit rattled to me,
32:29
Speaker 2: which is understandable when you've missed death by after all,
32:33
Speaker 2: a couple of centimats.
32:35
Speaker 14: I don't know if he looks rattled to me. I
32:37
Speaker 14: think that even you know, seconds after what happened happened,
32:40
Speaker 14: he looked very defiant and obviously like the battleborn warrior
32:43
Speaker 14: that he is. I think what we're seeing really from
32:46
Speaker 14: Donald Trump is he's soaking in the moment. He's understanding
32:49
Speaker 14: that he is the nomineeth a Republican Party for the
32:52
Speaker 14: third time, that's already a historic accomplishment, but he's also
32:56
Speaker 14: realizing and soaking up the moment that this is really
32:58
Speaker 14: his time. He's been given a second lease on life,
33:01
Speaker 14: and not just because of an assassination attempt, but really
33:04
Speaker 14: because of everything that's been hurled at him over the
33:07
Speaker 14: last nine years. I mean, he's had to withstand so much,
33:10
Speaker 14: including an attack on his life. So I think what
33:12
Speaker 14: you're seeing is Donald Trump really being present, soaking up
33:15
Speaker 14: the moment, and being grateful for the party and the
33:18
Speaker 14: people he has around him this week.
33:20
Speaker 2: Look gay, I think you know, lists of people would
33:22
Speaker 2: have walked away, and I think it's a credit to
33:24
Speaker 2: him that he's not done that. We learned today that
33:27
Speaker 2: US intelligence has uncovered a plot by Iran to assassinate
33:31
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and that's before what happened on the weekend.
33:36
Speaker 1: Right.
33:36
Speaker 14: Well, what I think, also beyond this just being really disturbing,
33:40
Speaker 14: I also don't think that it should be surprising. He
33:43
Speaker 14: was the leader of the free world. He could likely
33:45
Speaker 14: be the leader of the free world again in just
33:47
Speaker 14: a few months. So the fact that there wasn't more
33:50
Speaker 14: protection for him when he's standing in a wide open
33:53
Speaker 14: field in the middle of Pennsylvania, and the fact that
33:56
Speaker 14: the director of the Secret Service is trying to excuse
33:58
Speaker 14: the lack of protection on a sloped roof being unsafe
34:02
Speaker 14: for Secret Service agents. I mean, the dereliction of duty
34:06
Speaker 14: by the Secret Service and the head of the Secret
34:08
Speaker 14: Service to me is astounding, and it's shocking to me
34:11
Speaker 14: that she still has her job and still has that position.
34:14
Speaker 14: There's a lot of investigating left to do, but just
34:17
Speaker 14: looking at the bystander photos and videos here, it's quite
34:20
Speaker 14: obvious that this was a giant lapse in security, a
34:23
Speaker 14: giant failure, and all presidents and former presidents deserve better
34:28
Speaker 14: from the taxpayer funded Secret Service.
34:30
Speaker 2: Given that excuse, which I still can't believe about a
34:33
Speaker 2: sloped roof, Tommy, I mean, goodness me, you could have
34:37
Speaker 2: no event out in the open ever again if there's
34:40
Speaker 2: a sloping roof, because a sniper wouldn't be able to
34:42
Speaker 2: get on top of it.
34:43
Speaker 1: It's just crazy stuff.
34:45
Speaker 14: It's crazy, it's a ridiculous excuse. I think that there
34:48
Speaker 14: are a lot of former military members, special operators, even
34:51
Speaker 14: those in law enforcement that would be happy to protect
34:54
Speaker 14: and guard the former president in a much better way,
34:57
Speaker 14: in a much more secure way than he received over
35:00
Speaker 14: the weekend. And I think we're going to see a
35:02
Speaker 14: lot more coming out, at least I hope that we do.
35:04
Speaker 14: I hope we get a transparent investigation about exactly what
35:07
Speaker 14: went wrong and who really is to blame. I believe
35:10
Speaker 14: that the head of the Secret Service should resign, but
35:12
Speaker 14: beyond that, there's a lot of failures along the road
35:14
Speaker 14: there and along the way. It should have never been
35:16
Speaker 14: allowed to happen this way, and I hope this was
35:18
Speaker 14: a giant wake up call to those that are pushing
35:21
Speaker 14: DEI initiatives or other woke garbage. That's securing the president,
35:26
Speaker 14: former president, and any elected official, any American that deserves
35:29
Speaker 14: that protection needs to be put first and foremost, and
35:32
Speaker 14: not people's feelings of what job they think they should
35:34
Speaker 14: attain or how diverse the forces. The fact that that's
35:37
Speaker 14: even been a conversation in the last several years, to me,
35:41
Speaker 14: is an embarrassment as an American?
35:43
Speaker 2: What expecting the tone of the speech from Donald Trump
35:46
Speaker 2: that who are going to get on Thursday.
35:49
Speaker 14: We've heard reports that he's actually rewritten the speech after
35:52
Speaker 14: what happened over the weekend, after the assassination attempt. So
35:55
Speaker 14: I think what you probably would have heard is Donald
35:58
Speaker 14: Trump the fighter, Donald Trump going after the record and
36:01
Speaker 14: the poor legacy of current President Joe Biden. But I
36:05
Speaker 14: think what you're going to hear in this speech is
36:07
Speaker 14: much more of a unified tone. I think he's going
36:09
Speaker 14: to talk about the failures of the administration, but I
36:12
Speaker 14: think he really is going to attempt to unify all
36:15
Speaker 14: Americans and show them that he is not this boogey
36:18
Speaker 14: man that he's been made out to be, that he's
36:20
Speaker 14: a living, breathing human being. They've tried to dehumanize him
36:23
Speaker 14: over the last several years, and I think he's going
36:25
Speaker 14: to show the world and especially the American public, that
36:28
Speaker 14: he is the leader for all Americans, not just Republicans.
36:32
Speaker 14: And that's what I expect from that speech on Thursday night.
36:35
Speaker 2: Just fondly, I mean Jack Black and his band Tonicius
36:38
Speaker 2: d made a terrible mistake here in Sydney, where the
36:43
Speaker 2: stupid guitarist said, don't miss Trump next time. Look, they've
36:47
Speaker 2: apologized Ivan not the two has been canceled. God, I
36:50
Speaker 2: believe the apology. I mean, with they the same a
36:54
Speaker 2: piece of some Joe Biden fundraiser recently.
36:58
Speaker 14: Exactly, Yeah, Jack Blocke at that fundraiser, when George Clooney,
37:02
Speaker 14: Jack Black and everybody in attendance saw our current president
37:04
Speaker 14: cognitively failing and refuse to say anything. That's a whole
37:08
Speaker 14: separate issue. But I don't buy the apology either. I'm
37:11
Speaker 14: not somebody that's for cancel culture, but when you have
37:13
Speaker 14: somebody that goes on stage with that kind of an
37:15
Speaker 14: audience so soon after a former president's life was literally
37:19
Speaker 14: centimeters from being taken and you make that kind of
37:21
Speaker 14: a joke, I don't buy the apology. I don't believe
37:24
Speaker 14: in cancel culture, but I do believe that there needs
37:26
Speaker 14: to be some repercussions for that kind of talk. It's
37:29
Speaker 14: one thing to have freedom of speech, which we love
37:31
Speaker 14: here in America. It's another thing to celebrate the attack
37:34
Speaker 14: on a former president, on any president, on any official,
37:37
Speaker 14: on any human being. So I find that reprehensible and disgusting.
37:41
Speaker 14: But I don't expect much else from the Hollywood and
37:44
Speaker 14: the celebrity elite. Unfortunately, this is part for the course.
37:47
Speaker 1: Tommy, thanks very much for joining us.
37:49
Speaker 14: Thank you so much for having me.
37:50
Speaker 5: God bless.
37:53
Speaker 1: That convention continues tomorrow.
37:55
Speaker 2: Looks so forward to the jd vance speech, which you're
37:58
Speaker 2: going to see coming up, off to the what's the
38:00
Speaker 2: Secret Services Director's b excuse on that Trump assassination attempt
38:05
Speaker 2: a sloped roof? It's possibly the most bizarre explanation I've
38:09
Speaker 2: ever heard. You don't want to miss that explanation. Plus,
38:13
Speaker 2: forget Peter Dutton and now Anthony Albanesi's biggest election threat,
38:18
Speaker 2: it's now Adam Band calling himself Robin Hood.
38:28
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
38:29
Speaker 2: Steve Price with you, James Morrow coming up filling in
38:31
Speaker 2: for Paul Murray after me, the panel in the sect. Now,
38:34
Speaker 2: I'm no fan of cancel culture. It's not my thing,
38:38
Speaker 2: but today it seems pretty well fair enough. Tenacious D,
38:42
Speaker 2: which is something I'd never heard of, was a comedy
38:44
Speaker 2: rock duo. I think I have interviewed Jack Black before
38:48
Speaker 2: on the project. They've canceled their Australian tour altogether, including
38:53
Speaker 2: a Newcastle concert tonight and there's calls for them to
38:56
Speaker 2: be deported, which I think is a bit tough over
38:59
Speaker 2: a reprehensible joke made on stage about the attempted assassination
39:03
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump.
39:04
Speaker 1: Have a look at what happened there came with Trump
39:18
Speaker 1: next time.
39:22
Speaker 2: Stupid stuff, And I never thought i'd say these words.
39:25
Speaker 2: I think I'm on a unity ticket note with Kevin.
39:27
Speaker 2: I can't say that with Kevin run. But that is sick.
39:30
Speaker 2: You can even hear the audience. I'm in the audience
39:32
Speaker 2: doing joining me now our panel tonight National Senate of
39:35
Speaker 2: Matt Canavanah was great to see him and Sky News
39:38
Speaker 2: contributor Joe Hildebrand. Joe, you strike me as a Jack
39:42
Speaker 2: Black fan.
39:44
Speaker 15: Well, I'm certainly a fan of free speech and no
39:46
Speaker 15: fan of cancel culture. But look, there's always been a
39:49
Speaker 15: line with free speech, and that is incitement to violence.
39:53
Speaker 15: And while the joke was obviously not a literal intent
39:58
Speaker 15: to go and murder Donald Trump, at least I hope
40:00
Speaker 15: not by putting it out there that this is something
40:03
Speaker 15: that you should do that would make you wildly popular
40:06
Speaker 15: if you did it, Because of course, the crowd explodes
40:08
Speaker 15: into spontaneous cheers when it's suggested. You know, that is
40:12
Speaker 15: a dangerous type of talk, and I think what it
40:14
Speaker 15: really suggests is that the person knew that they could
40:17
Speaker 15: say it and get that rousing. I mean, it's lazy
40:20
Speaker 15: comedy because you know that everyone's just going to laugh
40:22
Speaker 15: or cheer because they agree with your politics, not because
40:25
Speaker 15: the joke's particularly funny, But it just speaks to the
40:28
Speaker 15: fact that there's a clear blind spot among people who
40:31
Speaker 15: don't realize that. You know, they accuse everyone else of
40:33
Speaker 15: hate speech all the time, but then think it's funny
40:36
Speaker 15: to literally call for someone to be murdered, to be assassinated,
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Speaker 15: and that's kind of cool because as long as it's
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Speaker 15: the right wing, it doesn't count. So it's a terrible
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Speaker 15: blind spot on the left, and it's a large part
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Speaker 15: of the reason why Donald Trump is so popular.
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Speaker 2: Mat It just goes to that whole argument about entertainment
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Speaker 2: elites who are all of the left and hate Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: They want to have Joe Biden back in in the
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Speaker 2: White House. The same thing happens here. We get actors
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Speaker 2: and actresses talking about politics that we don't really need
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Speaker 2: to hear from.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, look, I don't really care too much what
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Speaker 16: Jack Plack or Tenacious D he's been. I don't know
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Speaker 16: who the other guy is who's made these comments. Look,
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Speaker 16: I think it's appropriate the tour has ended over this.
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Speaker 16: It's big enough to do that. What I'm more concerned about, though,
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Speaker 16: is that these people are just silly enough to give
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Speaker 16: voice to their opinions that, in effect, they like to
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Speaker 16: see somebody assassinated. I'm a lot more concerned that the
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Speaker 16: smarter people on that side of politics, who similarly might
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Speaker 16: share those views.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen.
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Speaker 16: Senior Democratic politicians in the US engage in incredibly dehumanizing
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Speaker 16: language towards former President Trump. And if you did seriously
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Speaker 16: believe that Donald Trump is Hitler, which many of them
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Speaker 16: have said, then you probably would be considering things like
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Speaker 16: trying to kill him, as people did to Hitler at
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Speaker 16: the time. And that's what's really concerning here. People have
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Speaker 16: got so many questions about what happened on the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Man, I want to get your view on development.
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Speaker 2: Today, Andrew Forrest's fortes Q Mining company announce they're slashing
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Speaker 2: seven hundred jobs and affirming its resolute commitment to green
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Speaker 2: technology vision.
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Speaker 1: But they've also.
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Speaker 2: Made the point that the green hydrogen that they think
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Speaker 2: they're going to produce is still a hell of a
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Speaker 2: long way away.
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Speaker 16: Well, I'm glad that Twiggy is coming back to the
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Speaker 16: land of common sense seemingly. I don't know all the
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Speaker 16: details of this announcement yet, but it's been clear for
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Speaker 16: a long time that hydrogen has a long time to go.
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Speaker 16: I mean, the old joke is that hydrogen's great, it's
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Speaker 16: only twenty years you know, it's twenty years away. It's
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Speaker 16: just always been twenty years away. Now, look, I'm hopeful.
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Speaker 16: I'm hopeful we can crack something with hydro in the future.
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Speaker 16: But the key message of the decision of Fortusque today
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Speaker 16: is that we shouldn't be risking our entire economy, productive
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Speaker 16: parts of our economy, like the coal mining sector, on
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Speaker 16: a risky gamble. That's what hydrogen is ultimately risky gamble,
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Speaker 16: and the Albanezy government here is hitching our future energy
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Speaker 16: security to a risky gamble. It's why we should be
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Speaker 16: producing energy from all different types, including coal, including gas,
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Speaker 16: including nuclear, and yes.
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Speaker 1: Some renewables as well.
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Speaker 16: We should not put all our eggs in one basket.
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Speaker 2: Well, said Joe Adam Bans gift that keeps giving. He
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Speaker 2: gave me today to write for Friday. He's likened himself
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Speaker 2: to Robin Hood.
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Speaker 15: Well they both wear green, so you know, look, this
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Speaker 15: is again just another sign. This is not the first
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Speaker 15: time the Greens have declared their intent to basically like
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Speaker 15: Cuckoo's in the Nest, to hollow out, to cannibalize the
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Speaker 15: Labor Party and then to kill it. And yet there
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Speaker 15: are still some on the left who seem to think
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Speaker 15: that they're this sort of benign force.
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Speaker 1: They're not.
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Speaker 15: They're nasty, radical Bolsheviks. And just like the Bolsheviks, their
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Speaker 15: true enemy isn't the right. It's not conservatives, it's moderates.
43:57
Speaker 15: It's the people on their own side who they think
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Speaker 15: are not stream enough. So Adam bans gone out. He's
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Speaker 15: cast himself his cast Labor as accused Labor of being
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Speaker 15: a part of the center right, which I'm sure will
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Speaker 15: surprise many viewers of this show, and basically said that
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Speaker 15: he wants to he wants to overtake them, take them over.
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Speaker 15: He's targeting ten seats at the next federal election. Eight
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Speaker 15: of them are Labor, only two of them are Liberal,
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Speaker 15: So again, these are left. He's not interested in fighting conservatives.
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Speaker 15: They want to fight people in the center. They want
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Speaker 15: to fight moderates. And Matthew Chandler Mayther meanwhile has given
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Speaker 15: an interview to The Daily Mail where he's apparently p
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Speaker 15: provided framework where he could be Prime Minister in twenty forty,
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Speaker 15: or at least that's the numbers that they've obtained. So
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Speaker 15: they seem to be working on the back of a
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Speaker 15: beer coaster which will give them government in twenty forty.
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Speaker 1: It won't happen.
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Speaker 2: The problem is they want to send us all back
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Speaker 2: to the Nottingham Forest. Matt Tenavan and Joe Hildebrand, thank
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Speaker 2: you very much for joining us tonight after the break.
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Speaker 2: Remember Prime Minister Abenese he's promised to return immigration to
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Speaker 2: quote sustainable levels.
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Speaker 1: So much for that.
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Speaker 2: We learned today Australia is adding a new migrant every
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Speaker 2: single minute of every day. We'll unpack the numbers next.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I've always said.
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Speaker 2: Immigration is in the top three of issues when we
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Speaker 2: get to a federal election. There was some doubt data
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Speaker 2: out today from the Australian Bureau of Stats. It's been
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Speaker 2: analyzed by the Institute of Public Affairs and this is
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Speaker 2: what stood out. Australia is adding a new migrant to
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Speaker 2: our country every single minute. Joining me now to dissect
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Speaker 2: those figures is Saxon Davidson, research fellow at the IPA.
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Speaker 2: That figure really whacked me between the eyes today.
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Speaker 1: How did you arrive at that?
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Speaker 10: Well, we analyze the stats that came out from the
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Speaker 10: ABS and then analyze that from the most recent financial
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Speaker 10: year and basically compared that to the government's promise at
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Speaker 10: the last budget. Now, the government has already over the
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Speaker 10: promise that they made at the last budget by almost
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Speaker 10: fifty thousand new migrants, and this is before an extra
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Speaker 10: month during this year has been collected.
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Speaker 1: The government.
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Speaker 10: Simply, this promise from the government is simply not worth
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Speaker 10: the paper that it was written on, and it shows
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Speaker 10: they have truly no desire to turn off the tap
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Speaker 10: and to let the supply of housing catch up with migrants.
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Speaker 2: And I think that that statistic or those numbers from
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Speaker 2: the Bureau didn't even include the last month of migrants.
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Speaker 2: They've still got to be added in, don't they, Saxon.
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely they do.
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Speaker 10: And so far it could get worse, but so far
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Speaker 10: it's currently a migrant permanent That means for every minute
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Speaker 10: you're spending inspecting a new property or even waiting to
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Speaker 10: inspect a new property apartment or house, a new net
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Speaker 10: migrant is being added who will also need property to
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Speaker 10: live in. Currently, the supply of housing is just not
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Speaker 10: catching up to migrants. The only policy lever available to
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Speaker 10: the federal government considering housing is migration, and it's a
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Speaker 10: popular lever to pull. Sixty percent of Australians want net
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Speaker 10: migration pause not just lower, but paused for the supply
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Speaker 10: of housing to catch up. According to IPA polling.
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Speaker 2: I reckon cost of living energy costs included in that
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Speaker 2: and the migration question plus the overall green energy argument
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Speaker 2: are the three big issues for the election campaign. I
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Speaker 2: reckon the case on immigration, especially on research like yours,
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Speaker 2: is only going to grow.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 10: And what this increase of migration has also shown when
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Speaker 10: you look at economic data is that the reason the
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Speaker 10: government has no desire to stop migration is because their
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Speaker 10: entire economic plan is reliant on the growth of population.
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Speaker 10: Figures eighty five percent of our current economic growth is
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Speaker 10: attributed to the growth and population. When you compare that
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Speaker 10: to when we had proper productivity driven prime ministers such
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Speaker 10: as Keating and Hawk and John Howard in the nineties
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Speaker 10: it was as low as one third. It actually just
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Speaker 10: lays out to the lack of economic plans zaccon It
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Speaker 10: just that the government has.
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Speaker 2: It says to me absolutely, it says to me that
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Speaker 2: they're not serious about it. Thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: joining us and coming up next. James Morrow is filling
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Speaker 2: in for Paul Murray. I'll be back tomorrow